00:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47541 00:04 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47595 00:06 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:47635 00:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] Ana (Ana Hum Fem Neu), 5602 points, T:1539, killed by a dwarf 00:09 -!- Menche__ has joined #hardfought 00:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 2854 points, T:1549, killed by a death ray 00:11 -!- Menche__ is now known as Menche 00:11 <@escargott'em> I'm trying to id some boots by jumping, but it just tries to cast the spell jump.. does that mean they aren't jump boots? 00:12 -!- Menche_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:47700 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:23124 00:20 Junethack: IceGuye ascended a game of NetHack 3.6.1 on nethack.alt.org! 00:34 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 00:39 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:40 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 00:43 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:43 jonadab: why am I going from hungry to weak in under 100 turns? 00:43 fourk 00:44 <[Demo][srn]> because your stomach is too damn small 00:44 <[Demo][srn]> grow a bigger one 00:44 <[Demo][srn]> or a spare one 00:44 i'm a giant 00:44 <[Demo][srn]> oh 00:44 <[Demo][srn]> well then 00:45 <[Demo][srn]> don't they hunger faster? 00:45 <[Demo][srn]> or something? 00:45 <[Demo][srn]> Maybe I'm just thinking of trolls with their regen 00:45 no idea 00:45 <[Demo][srn]> why isn't blood pudding a race? 00:46 because they get their feelings hurt too easily 00:46 <[Demo][srn]> someone should make a fourk fork called fouck and instead of making sense it doesn't 00:46 its not easy being a blood pudding 00:47 <[Demo][srn]> blood puddings have it easy 00:47 no hands 00:47 that would be rough 00:47 <[Demo][srn]> don't need hands 00:48 <[Demo][srn]> all these things you think you need are meaningless when you have achieved the nirvana of blood puddinghood 00:48 lol 00:48 <[Demo][srn]> also how does gh gore explosion work 00:49 <[Demo][srn]> can u do it to riders? 00:49 if a monster gets hit by something that can explode 00:49 of detonation 00:49 <[Demo][srn]> how tasty are the chunks 00:49 sometimes from fireball (i think) 00:49 well they're already cooked 00:49 <[Demo][srn]> yes from fireball 00:49 so yeah they are yummy 00:49 <[Demo][srn]> I figure riders resist? 00:50 probably 00:50 <[Demo][srn]> Probably worth checking 00:50 <[Demo][srn]> too bad I used my thirsty bow on them instead of detonation 00:50 so ideally, be a rnger with a bow of detonation and have your quest artifact on hand to have unlimited supply of arrows 00:50 *ranger 00:50 <@escargott'em> My first throne.. disappeared on my first sit 😿 00:51 just dont shoot point blank unless you have fire res 00:51 learned that the hard way ;) 00:51 another thing thats cool - entering the castle or ft ludios with conflict and a couple of the soldiers there have something of detonation 00:51 complete carnage 00:52 @escargott'em that's been most of june for me and thrones heh 00:52 or they make me stupid 00:53 <[Demo][srn]> samurai is stupid strong in grunt 00:53 jonadab: yeah 100 turns... this on purpose? 00:54 so the elder minotaur in 0.2.4 will be more of a challenge 00:54 i wont update the server until after junethack 00:55 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 4576 points, T:3480, owlbear 00:56 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Mal Cha) stole 80 zorkmids of merchandise from the general store of Upernavik on T:30324 00:56 <[Demo][srn]> hmm I don't think dnh even has a thirsty bow artifact 00:59 <[Demo][srn]> how do beholders kill you in grunt? 01:04 [hdf-us] [4k] k2 (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 8196 points, T:6178, killed by a fire ant 01:04 stoning, disintigration, etc 01:09 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 01:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 01:11 <@Tone\ootc> I had a throne drop me to 4 int for half a game earlier this month K2 😄 01:11 <@Tone\ootc> I was playing a caveman so I guess it was appropriate 01:11 <@Tone\ootc> didn't find a unihorn til after the castle 01:12 doh 01:12 -!- Menche__ has joined #hardfought 01:15 -!- Menche_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:25 <@IceBox> i had a throne curse half my inventory including bag of holding 01:28 Rude 01:28 <@Tone\ootc> heh, reminder not to sit on thrones if your luck isn't positive 01:30 [hdf-us] [nh361] Ana (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1132 points, T:2926, killed by a dog, while fainted from lack of food 01:32 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 7180 points, T:2002, killed by a crocodile 01:38 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "uncursed magic marker", on T:24591 01:47 Now that's what I call literacy 01:55 Thump! Poes drops an uncursed scroll called pratya 300. 01:56 I'm a priestess of Mitra so you'd expect barbarian levels of literacy. 02:00 You succeed in opening the tin. It smells like floating eyes. Eat it? 02:01 yes yes yes!! 02:01 only to be killed by the next random cave spider. 02:14 -!- Menche__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:18 You fall into a pit! There is a pit here. 02:18 I KNOW there's a pit, I just fell into it! 02:24 <@lapis/ootc> Damn it, this isn’t a hardfought thing but I just had a dnh save get eaten again, exactly like one that previously got eaten a few weeks ago 02:49 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 02:51 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:33 -!- AmyBSOD\srn has joined #hardfought 03:45 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:24702 03:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:24769 03:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] Boronx (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3392 04:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Hum Fem Law), 276538 points, T:24827, killed by an umber hulk, while praying 04:08 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 04:12 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:30 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 118674 points, T:45140, poisoned by Scorpius 04:37 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Oracle, on T:53722 05:14 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:55950 05:25 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:29 Junethack: 6000 games have been played! 05:44 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:57092 05:50 -!- noty has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:54 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 05:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 05:58 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 06:36 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:39 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 06:42 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:52 -!- deadnoob has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:54 -!- nzy has joined #hardfought 06:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] Pimpus (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:9203 07:01 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:29 unnethack hint scrolls say: "Visit http://un.nethack.nu/ for dumps of your games." 07:45 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 08:02 K2: Unless you're playing as a sylph, I don't think Fourk changes anything about how long it takes to go from hungry to weak. 08:04 I do think hungry->weak->fainting is far too short a time compared to satiated->hungry, but that's vanilla and I haven't messed with it yet. 08:04 (Err, except I rebranded "satiated" to "bloated".) 08:17 <[Demo][srn]> which is silly 08:18 well fourk makes it so that you can't overeat, which is nice if you get a black dragon corpse 08:22 <[Demo][srn]> fourk also plays russian roulette with mlets 08:23 <[Demo][srn]> if you think l makes more sense for geckos than leprechauns do you even know who is playing your game? 08:24 YASI: new variant, "trollhack". Mind flayers are gray o. Master mind flayers are bright green F. Arch-liches are yellow :. And of course, cockatrices are green :. 08:28 [Demo][srn]: There's a good reason for that, though. I needed to change its name to signal the gameplay change to players. 08:31 <[Demo][srn]> as a nethack player : makes more sense to me for newt than anything else 08:32 <[Demo][srn]> I woke up this morning fundamentally against mlet changes that make more real world sense but maybe tomorrow I'll be nearly cracking 08:32 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 08:36 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 08:43 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed ring of teleport control", on T:30370 08:59 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 37940 points, T:3465, killed by a large dog, while fainted from lack of food 09:18 heh... shhhh! 09:18 medusa kill farming is so lame... 09:19 bhaak: please abolish the medusa kill clan points for next year, it's too easily abused (just like log points actually) 09:20 <@Tone\ootc> Well log points could be automated, so I wouldn't say they are the same at this point 09:21 <@Tone\ootc> I'm not a fan of farming/scumming though 09:21 oh yeah? then why did you do it? :P 09:22 <@Tone\ootc> It's incentivized in junethack 09:22 <@Tone\ootc> I learned the tricks from your clan btw 😛 09:23 all other clans should have to pay a tribute of 5000 zorkmids to the nymphets because we were the ones who invented all the strategies :D 09:24 While we're at it, we should abolish unique deaths because getting killed is pointless, and of course the new trophy should just be renamed "the new digdug challenge". 09:25 It's all just "farming" on some level, right? 09:26 <@Tone\ootc> At some point, yeah 09:26 <@Tone\ootc> You can scum an ascension if you are patient enough 😄 09:26 lol 09:58 -5 vorpal? someone's farming conducts :P 09:58 :) 09:58 The famous never hit with a weapon besides -5 vorpal conduct 09:58 Amy never farms... 09:58 ...you know that. 09:59 man, is it normal to still be lacking intrinsic resist fire at Orcustown? those fire traps are taxing my max HP... 09:59 I got all the way to orcustown without poison resistance once.... 10:00 but yeah that's not fun. 10:00 one would expect to meet many fire giants and red dragons in Gehennom but they seem to be rare 10:02 I've had that happen 10:02 I had no fire res and no ?oEA at orcus 10:02 well the enchant weapons and armors are plentiful in this run 10:03 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 10:07 ahh finally got a ring of fire resistance! that'll do until I find a monster that conveys it :) 10:07 yay! 10:07 my magic marker also managed to write 14 scrolls of magic mapping without drying out :D 10:08 yaaaaay the game spawned hell hound pups 10:09 which refuse to drop corpses... :( 10:21 Your 9 diluted potions of full healing softly glow with a light blue aura. 10:26 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:64462 10:30 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 10:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 10:31 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 10:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 10:41 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Wiz Red Mal Cha), 1580036 points, T:48837, killed by a monster (psychic dragon) 10:41 <[Demo][srn]> time to play a variant 10:41 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:46 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:65007 10:49 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 10:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 10:55 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided disenchanters dungeon wide on T:65300 11:00 <[Demo][srn]> thank god for k2 for having good rc files to raid 11:01 !rcfile k2 11:01 !rc k2 11:01 nope 11:09 gz Tariru! I'm about to ascend too :) 11:09 <[Demo][srn]> wow 11:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] jmcunx (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 376 points, T:2187, killed by a wand 11:11 Congrats to you too Amy. 11:11 <@Tone\ootc> 'grats guys 😄 11:12 <[Demo][srn]> yey! 11:12 <[Demo][srn]> !gt srn 11:12 the nymphets are supreme! ♥ 11:12 thanks guys! 11:16 <[Demo][srn]> damn un wizard isnt easy 11:16 <[Demo][srn]> pw regen sucks 11:17 [hdf-us] [un] Demo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 5109 points, T:3981, killed by a gray unicorn 11:18 Junethack: AmyBSOD ascended a game of NetHack 3.4.3 on eu.hardfought.org! 11:18 Junethack: Achievement "Prince of the World" unlocked by AmyBSOD! 11:18 Junethack: Tariru ascended a game of NetHack4 on eu.hardfought.org! 11:19 yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay the Amy is princess of the world now ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 11:19 <[Demo][srn]> oh shit demonbane is lawful 11:23 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:45 <[Demo][srn]> uhhhh 11:45 <[Demo][srn]> no way 11:45 [hdf-us] [fh] ahrimen (Val Dwa Fem Law), 48250 points, T:18421, killed by a magic missile 11:46 <[Demo][srn]> theres a wish on this level 11:47 <[Demo][srn]> wait 7 wishes on this level what 11:48 [hdf-us] [fh] ahrimen (Val Dwa Fem Law), 10565 points, T:79, killed by a boulder 11:49 <[Demo][srn]> is bhaak on? 11:54 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 11:55 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:57 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Val Hum Fem Neu) defeated Lord Surtur, on T:31010 12:00 [hdf-us] [fh] ahrimen (Val Dwa Fem Law), 27874 points, T:1794, killed by a rothe 12:02 <[Demo][srn]> oh well damn this is a waste of my time 12:02 <[Demo][srn]> forgot un water demon wishes cant give magical items 12:06 <@Tone\ootc> o you have to wish for a tinning kit or something? 12:06 <@Tone\ootc> So* 12:07 <[Demo][srn]> im a vampire so no 12:07 <[Demo][srn]> gonna go stethoscope 12:07 [hdf-us] [un] Demo (Bar Vam Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed fixed stethoscope", on T:3940 12:08 <@Tone\ootc> I wasn't actually recommending that 😛 12:08 <[Demo][srn]> there are 7 wishes on average on this level 12:08 <@Tone\ootc> Dragon scales sound like a decent choice 12:08 <[Demo][srn]> and they are all useless 12:08 <[Demo][srn]> those are magical 12:08 <@Tone\ootc> just the scales aren't in vanilla, I don't think 12:08 <[Demo][srn]> pretty sure in un you can't 12:08 <@Tone\ootc> yeah feels like a loophole 12:09 <@Tone\ootc> What is it, a level with a bunch of fountains? 12:09 <@Tone\ootc> Actually that's a dumb question, that's obviously what it is 😛 12:09 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 4333 points, T:3856, killed by a magic missile 12:10 <[Demo][srn]> yes 12:10 <[Demo][srn]> i need to ask bhaak if he meant to do that 12:10 <[Demo][srn]> or if he meant for it to be water 12:12 <@Tone\ootc> oh I just spec'd your game, wtf 12:12 <@Tone\ootc> There's hundreds of them 12:13 <[Demo][srn]> 757 or something 12:14 <[Demo][srn]> but looks like im screwed 12:14 [hdf-us] [fh] ahrimen (Val Dwa Fem Law), 31817 points, T:1434, killed by a barbed devil 12:19 757 is the hardest type of winged gargoyle 12:22 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo (Val Ang Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:1667 12:22 [Demo][srn]: nonmagical pseudo"wishes" are complete and utter bullshit 12:22 IMHO they shouldn't even break wishless because they aren't wishes by my definition 12:24 anyway, I'm princess of the world now and everyone wants to claw their fingernails at my face because I'm so conceited :P, but I'll play slex now ♥ 12:24 they don't break magic-wishless 12:24 <[Demo][srn]> well to be fair that whole level is bullshit 12:24 <[Demo][srn]> it has like 750 fountains 12:24 <[Demo][srn]> and on dlvl 10 its a 1% chance of wresting a wish from a fountain 12:25 ...fountains? 12:25 ahh, slex, where you get a warning when stepping into water... feels like home :) 12:25 or moat 12:26 <[Demo][srn]> fountians 12:26 AmyBSOD\srn: unnethack has paranoid water walk 12:26 yeah, that's one of the few good things about un :P 12:26 ah misinterpreted your statement then 12:26 <@Tone\ootc> that saved me in NH4 the other day 12:26 <@Tone\ootc> well it saved a few of my scrolls at least 12:28 [Demo][srn]: in unnethack? 12:28 never heard of a level like that 12:28 I totally love when Amy complains about other variants. 12:29 Mandevil\splat: heh, you mean the same way I love it when others complain about my variant? ;) 12:30 <[Demo][srn]> its a bigtoom 12:30 <[Demo][srn]> bigroom 12:30 The difference is that SLEX in one big bullshit variant. 12:30 :D 12:31 BTW, I played a game of SLEX yesterday. 12:31 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 12:31 And I think that's it for a long time. 12:31 hahahahahahaha how'd it go? 12:31 you were playing a kurwa? LOL 12:31 I rolled a random combo. 12:31 aww and you didn't like the game? bummer 12:31 Let's put aside what the hell is "kurwa" supposed to be, why do they wear -25 evil DSM etc. 12:32 For some reason I went blind the whole game. 12:32 But there was no status about it. 12:32 Just blind for no apparent reason. 12:32 !lastgame Mandevil SLEX 12:32 AmyBSOD\srn: [hdf-us] No last game for (Mandevil,SLEX) on this server. 12:32 AmyBSOD\srn: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mandevil/slex/dumplog/1529697875.slex.txt 12:32 oh wow I didn't expect that to actually work :D 12:32 Then I was getting cryptic messages all the time. 12:33 You had the speed bug. (0) You had the following problem: You randomly fainted. (0) You had the following problem: Minimum monster level depends on your current depth. (0) You had the following problem: Your momma will repeatedly be insulted. (0) You had the following problem: Covetous monster AI fires each turn. (0) You had the following problem: Inventory item descriptions appear in fleecy colors, which is actu 12:33 ou had the following problem: Your spells became red. (0) You had the following problem: You sometimes had to solve captchas. (0) You were in a ghost world (0) 12:33 I mean messages that looked like ROT13 or something. 12:33 ^^ those are from your game 12:33 And I was hitting captchas all the time. 12:33 Why in the world is that in the game? 12:34 it's an EPI, obviously 12:34 also you weren't blind, but all monsters were generated invisible in a way that can't be made visible with see invis 12:34 #justkurwathings 12:34 I really don't understand how would anyone conside that funny after the second time. 12:35 the kurwa is meant to be a challenge role, one that you pick if you find the normal roles too easy to ascend 12:35 The role makes no sense at all of course as far as the inventory is concerned. 12:35 I totally have no idea what was supposed to be "whorish" about it. 12:35 they can #chat to intelligent monsters to have sex 12:36 which is basically like foocubus seduction, except that you can initiate it with almost any intelligent monster 12:36 And the deity was "Ewa". 12:36 Are you Polish or what? 12:36 nah, the other two deities are Lorskel and Kaczynski, and Lorskel is the one who inspired the role (he's Polish) 12:36 And why I was blind? 12:37 you weren't! but the cloak you started the game with is the ghost cloak, which makes all newly generated monsters so invisible that you can't see them even if you have see invis 12:37 well, actually "eerie cloak" but that's its effect 12:37 How was I supposed to find out? 12:37 and the captchas must have come from the evil dragon scale mail 12:38 well, slex has inventory item descriptions; if you hit an item's corresponding letter while in inventory, you get a description. 12:40 [hdf-us] [fh] ahrimen (Val Dwa Fem Law), 25882 points, T:2846, killed by an elf zombie, while fainted from lack of food 12:41 <[Demo][srn]> splice feels like it should have zouthern animals 12:42 splice feels like it should have much more stuff, actually 12:43 <[Demo][srn]> why do quivering blobs exist 12:43 So that vegans can get poison resistance. 12:44 <[Demo][srn]> ah ok 12:44 <[Demo][srn]> cant brown molds or whatever do that? 12:44 Anyway, you can ask that question about million times about nethack. 12:44 Why do tigers/lynxes/panthers exist? 12:45 They are pretty much the same thing. 12:45 <[Demo][srn]> to kill your poor caveman in different ways 12:45 You mean in the same way. 12:46 <[Demo][srn]> different name, different unique death 12:46 <[Demo][srn]> but yeah 12:46 And let's not start about the various & 12:46 <[Demo][srn]> heh 12:48 there should just be a single monster which rerolls all its attributes/attacks each turn 12:48 problem solved 12:49 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo (Val Ang Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:5448 12:49 No, problem would be solved if the monsters were actually different. 12:49 /the\ 12:49 i was joking 12:49 there's a certain script created by jonadab which makes random stats monsters ;) 12:49 @?hooloovoo 12:49 No such monster. 12:50 <[Demo][srn]> @d?hooloovoo 12:50 hooloovoo (U) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 13 | Spd: 6 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 25 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Attacks: 0d0 touch teleportation, 0d0 tinker tinker, 1d4 gaze blind | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, phases, infravisible 12:50 @?shambling horror 12:50 shambling horror (U) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom | AC: 0 | Attacks: none | Alignment: 0 | Flags: carnivore, infravisible 12:50 ^ rerolls attacks each turn 12:51 related https://nhqdb.alt.org/?735 12:51 slex astral elementals do that too ;) 12:51 @le?astral elemental 12:51 astral elemental (E) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire cold disintegrate shock poison acid petrification magic | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: special | AC: 2 | Attacks: 4d4 touch random breath, 4d4 engulf random breath | Alignment: 0 | Flags: flies, amorphous, phases, breathless, mindless, unsolid, regenerates, stalker, vegan 12:51 <[Demo][srn]> in dnh they randomize attacks each game, not each turn, not sure how they act in what dnh took them from 12:53 I think they are from Spork? 12:53 yeah spork should be the variant where they appeared first 12:54 <[Demo][srn]> when does splice let u into the quest? 12:54 10 I think? it's reduced, thankfully 12:54 <[Demo][srn]> how 12:54 in vanilla it would be 14 12:54 <[Demo][srn]> right but im sure he didnt come up with the idea on his own, who suggested it? 12:55 no idea, my suggestion will always be to remove it entirely for all variants, but none ever do it ;) 12:56 [Demo][srn]: LOL 12:56 way to be an arrogant cunt 12:56 @demo 12:56 [Demo][srn]: that's bigrm-13. you would have to ask paxed if that's intentional, I would guess, no :-D 12:57 bigrm-13 has some fancy wall generation, either lava, trees, walls, or, obviously, fountains. 12:58 <[Demo][srn]> what do you mean stenno? 12:58 the chance to get that fountain level is 1/14 * 1/3 ~= 2.4% 12:58 <[Demo][srn]> ok so that isnt meant to happen then probably 12:59 to get that fountain level as bigroom. not so small but probably nobody complained before :-D 12:59 <[Demo][srn]> well its not very useful 12:59 <[Demo][srn]> fountain wishes suck 12:59 #notreallyawish 12:59 #shouldnotbreakwishlessconduct 13:00 it does not break magic-wishless 13:00 (and optionally #isdesignedtopissoffamyasmuchaspossible :P) 13:00 <[Demo][srn]> anyway stenno i say that because i think i recall him saying he played very carefully or at least the way he described his play it didnt sound like he'd frequently feel a need to push through quest earlier than xlvl 14 13:00 <[Demo][srn]> thats more of a more aggressive playstyle type thing 13:02 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 13:03 splicehack still has XL 14 13:04 what??? I seem to recall AntiGulp changed it... 13:04 check include/quest.h 13:04 maybe it's only in the development version 13:04 <[Demo][srn]> ah yep then see 13:04 line 45 13:04 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:04 https://github.com/NullCGT/SpliceHack/commit/dda2f58995a8897eace0120215ec40896061473d 13:05 ah ok 13:05 so in the next version it will probably be reduced 13:05 fair enogh 13:07 AmyBSOD\srn: what about the alignement requirement? the one that at least in 3.4.3 forced you to hang around 2000 turns before you could go on the quest? 13:12 <[Demo][srn]> would it be offensive to remove the rogue tribute level from my variant? 13:14 no 13:15 I've been forgetting to do that for years and get angry at myself every time I run into it when playing 13:16 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17 besides the annoying level change it does, it takes up a precious level slot. 13:18 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 3468 points, T:3983, killed by a lynx 13:18 <[Demo][srn]> wow i just didnt get killed by a winged gargoyle 13:18 <[Demo][srn]> yeah no vaults and no altars and no fun 13:19 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 13:27 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:29 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:33 -!- Menche__ has joined #hardfought 13:36 <[Demo][srn]> i sure could use a potion of reflection 13:36 -!- Menche_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2582 13:47 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:53 <[Demo][srn]> i have no reliable way to blind myself to fight medusa 13:55 <[Demo][srn]> wonder if splicehack angels are immune to death 13:56 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo (Val Ang Fem Law) averted death, on T:11407 13:57 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 9001 points, T:4326, killed by an Uruk-hai, while praying 13:57 <[Demo][srn]> winged gargoyle with a wand of sleep is a bad mix 14:02 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:03 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 14:04 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased historic partly eaten +3 boots of speed named red ball zoomies", on T:32003 14:05 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 14:05 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo (Val Ang Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12322 14:05 <[Demo][srn]> gotta love that livelog 14:07 -!- Menche__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:15 [hdf-us] [nh361] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:34029 14:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:34030 14:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:34030 14:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 premium heart", on T:2781 14:36 -!- Menche__ has joined #hardfought 14:39 -!- Menche_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:35212 14:47 Junethack: Fek ascended a game of NetHack 3.6.1 on nethack.alt.org! 14:48 sweden is winning 14:49 <[Demo][srn]> srn is winnign! 14:49 <[Demo][srn]> world cup doesnt matter 14:50 :D 14:51 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Vlad the Impaler, on T:71397 14:52 bhaak: Yay for articulating my thoughts on the Rogue level 14:53 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 14:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 14:58 <[Demo][srn]> soko 2a, or why i beat the shit out of my keyboard 15:02 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 15:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 15:03 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03 jonadab: Why would randomly generated Valerian "evade your grasp" in Fourk? 15:03 jonadab: Did you make it role-aligned or something? 15:04 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 15:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 15:08 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 7679 points, T:8415, killed by an Uruk-hai, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:08 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 15:09 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo (Val Ang Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:16665 15:10 -!- Menche__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh361] dracunos (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:26417 15:15 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo (Val Ang Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:17548 15:15 <[Demo][srn]> what strange branch is this 15:15 -!- QueenDairy has joined #hardfought 15:16 [Demo][srn]: splicehack has a branch named "void" which will kill you, don't enter that 15:16 <[Demo][srn]> wait what 15:16 <[Demo][srn]> void.des 15:16 <[Demo][srn]> ndnh also has void.des 15:16 <[Demo][srn]> wow 15:16 it has a void dragon that's designed to fuck up the player 15:16 <[Demo][srn]> whats a void dragon do? 15:17 <[Demo][srn]> like fuck me up in what way(s)? 15:17 it has a relatively harmless breath but its melee attack will probably disintegrate your gear and then you 15:17 <[Demo][srn]> yikes 15:17 <[Demo][srn]> does it drop anything good? 15:18 nope, the void branch is a huge waste of time at best and an easy way to lose an ascension-capable character at worst 15:18 the level doesn't look appealing 15:18 as I said, *don't enter* 15:18 just random objects 15:18 <[Demo][srn]> ok 15:18 <[Demo][srn]> got a dumb lava castle 15:19 it's quite obvious that splicehack is an experimental variant, AntiGulp just threw in random stuff without regards for balance :P 15:19 <[Demo][srn]> ok still has a WoW 15:19 hey, that looks like the old unnethack lava castle 15:19 Mandevil\splat: Valerian is Rogue aligned, yes. 15:20 However, a non-Rogue should be able to use it if sufficiently aligned otherwise. 15:20 jonadab: hothraxxa is found it in the Valley and reports that he cannot handle it. 15:21 It's chaotic. 15:21 jonadab: As valk, that is. 15:21 AmyBSOD\srn: which of xnethack or splicehack had the tag line "I think there's room for another slashem-esque variant"? 15:21 Ah, right, yes, a neutral Valk won't be able to use it. 15:21 hi jonadab. i hat you now 15:21 bhaak: that was splicehack 15:21 er 15:21 hate 15:21 jonadab: That's kind of odd. 15:21 jonadab: Is there vanilla artifact that behaves like that? 15:21 but it's at best an early beta stage of a slashem-esque variant, it needs much more additional content to become a real one :P 15:21 Mandevil\splat: All the intelligent ones? 15:21 AmyBSOD\srn: in that case, what balance? it's about stuff? :) 15:21 Well, all the intelligent ones with a role alignment. 15:22 jonadab: No, all the intelligent ones have no role allegiance apart from quest artis. 15:22 jonadab: actually i'm enjoying this fourk game 15:22 The thing is, Valerian is not a quest artifact. 15:22 Why is it role aligned? 15:22 It's a first-sacrifice gift. 15:22 Doesn't matter. 15:22 Does vanilla not have any first-sacc gifts that are intelligent? 15:22 No vanilla artifacts are role aligned, first sacrifice or not. 15:23 Intelligent YES, role-aligned NO. 15:23 Hmm, Magicbane is not intelligent. 15:23 Excalibur is. 15:23 All first-sacrifice gifts are role-aligned. 15:23 That's how the game knows which role to give them to. 15:23 What? 15:23 Are you sure? 15:23 Hmm, Cleaver isn't intelligent. 15:23 Yes, certain. 15:23 it's so that only intelligent artifacts can evade the player's grasp 15:24 Excalibur is intelligent, right? 15:24 Hmm, I'm trying to think if there are other first-sacc gifts in vanilla, besides MB and Cleaver. 15:24 valerian is a scoundrel 15:24 <[Demo][srn]> is the playeri ntelligent? 15:24 And any lawful can use it. 15:24 Excalibur is special-cased in artifact.c I think 15:24 Excalibur is not a first-sacc gift. 15:24 Hm. 15:24 Wait, is there any first-sac gift that is intelligent? 15:24 (You get it normally by dipping.) 15:24 Mandevil\splat: That's what I'm wondering now. 15:25 Perphaps not. 15:25 *perhaps 15:25 i don't need it. i have a blessed rustproof +9 dagger named Due Process 15:25 Heh. 15:25 That's why I think making Valerian that way is kinda confusing. 15:25 Stormbringer is also intelligent, but not alighed with any role 15:25 alos a blessed +6 silver dagger named Dagger of Legend 15:25 -!- MisteryMyra has joined #hardfought 15:25 Mandevil\splat: I didn't realize none of vanilla's first-sacc gifts are intelligent. 15:25 Stormy isn't a first-sacc gift, yeah. 15:26 jonadab: there are many named weapons, but i assume that most of them are just named, nothing else special? 15:26 hothraxxa: As a rule, weapons with one of those names (like "Dagger of Legend" and "Due Process") is very likely to be positively enchanted. 15:26 But not special beyond that. 15:27 jonadab: That's quite strange choice, IMO. 15:27 ok thanks. that's what i thought 15:27 (The causality actually works the other way: a weapon is more likely to get a name, the further away from +0 it is.) 15:27 fourk actually stole that from slex :P (well probably not really, but slex had a similar system before fourk implemented it) 15:27 nice. i have most of them in a pit at ludios 15:27 <[Demo][srn]> i dont like razor dragons 15:27 Ah? If I was aware of that, I forgot, AmyBSOD\srn. 15:28 [Demo][srn]: they're another of splicehack's "funny" uberdragons 15:28 i dug a pit at the door from the zoo and got every soldier but one to fall into it 15:28 they had a lot of named weapons 15:28 Mandevil\splat: If I implemented properties, I might also give weapons a higher chance of a name the more properties they have. 15:28 flying valkyries rock for that sort of stuff 15:29 jonadab: That basically the idea behind crawl's randarts. 15:29 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:29 Actually, come to think of it, I will be getting properties for free when I rebase on FIQHack. 15:29 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:29 jonadab: Heh. 15:29 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 15:30 -!- MisteryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:30 <[Demo][srn]> tell that to the chickatrice that killed it 15:31 jonadab: is there a point in applying a blessed -1 unihorn? 15:31 hothraxxa: Do you have status effects, e.g., are you stunned? 15:31 i.e. will it cure blindness/confusion etc? 15:31 Yeah. 15:31 yeah that's what i'm asking 15:31 Should. 15:32 jonadab: if I were you, I'd make it so that if the player applies a unihorn while having both a status effect and a lost attribute point, it will only cure the former, that would be much better than the current fourk system! 15:32 ok so it's only the restore abilities that are affected 15:32 Though, not certain what happens if you are also attribute-drained. I forget what the order is there. (I didn't change the order from vanilla. Should probably look at that.) 15:32 jonadab, strange message: The Angel of Moloch casts a spell at you! A shower of missiles bounces off the valkyrie! 15:32 I should just make unicorn horns not cure drained attributes at all, really. 15:32 jilles: Ah, interesting. 15:33 it's random, it can decide to fix an attribute even if you'd prefer to fix a status 15:33 jonadab: bah, there's too many variants where it already doesn't fix attributes :P 15:33 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo (Val Ang Fem Law) made her first wish - "Blessed amulet of life saving", on T:18214 15:33 Probably used the wrong monster name function. Or cherry-picked something from FIQHack, that uses a function whose ability to handle the player was expanded in FIQHack. 15:33 i'd be okay with no restore abilities, it's a common change, but in this game i have yet to find the potion and i'm in the valley 15:34 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo (Val Ang Fem Law) wished for "Blessed +2 fixed greased cloak of magic resistance", on T:18221 15:34 jonadab: is the chance to become unblessed only based on restoring an attribute? 15:35 hothraxxa: The chance to lose an enchantment is based on restoring attribute drain. Chance to become unblessed is based on curing status effects. 15:35 got it 15:36 [hdf-us] [nh361] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:36919 15:37 [hdf-us] [nh361] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:37176 15:37 this baby blue dragon is never gonna grow up :( 15:38 Arrested development? 15:38 -!- MisteryMyra has joined #hardfought 15:38 <[Demo][srn]> genocided blue dragons? 15:38 [hdf-us] [nh361] jmcunx (Pri Hum Mal Law), 71 points, T:415, killed by a sewer rat 15:38 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 2408 points, T:4178, killed by a giant spider 15:38 EPI: an object property that causes the object to autocurse whenever you do anything to it (wear it, wield it, apply it, zap it, read it, whatever you do to it). The autocursing happens before the item's own effect triggers. 15:38 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo (Val Ang Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:18368 15:38 i cannot imagine a scenario in which i would genocide blue dragons 15:39 * Mandevil\splat wields +7 raygun (disintegrate) 15:39 Some players blessed-geno dragons, I think mostly because they don't want to have to have reflection. 15:39 * Mandevil\splat zaps jonadab's EPI. Jonadab's EPI is disintegrated! 15:39 <[Demo][srn]> a monster did it 15:39 -!- Menche__ has joined #hardfought 15:39 <[Demo][srn]> and you're playing fh 15:40 jonadab: some players geno certain fourk uberdragons because they don't want to have their stuff disintegrated despite being resistant :P 15:40 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:40 is it mandatory to face one of these uberdragons? 15:41 * Mandevil\splat dislikes this reflection-protects-from-rays-but-some-rays-are-more-rays-than-others mechanic 15:41 hothraxxa: there's a dragon hall in Rodney's tower, and it likes to generate elder/ancient dragons, which I call uberdragons because they have melee versions of the breath attacks 15:41 EPI: It's mandatory to face room full of blood puddings. 15:41 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 450 points, T:602, killed by a purple worm 15:41 ancient black dragon = LOL you just lost your cloak even though you have disintegration resistance. 15:41 AmyBSOD\srn: yes but can you avoid it? 15:42 AmyBSOD\srn: Sounds like SLEX. 15:42