00:12 -!- Anerag has joined #hardfought 00:16 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 00:18 -!- elenmirie\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:19 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie\splat 00:26 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 00:31 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:33 <[Demo][srn]> some of us just wanna see the world burn 00:36 insert infinity war reference here 00:37 <[Demo][srn]> hmm I think I have the input for spell overloading nearly working 00:37 <[Demo][srn]> and soon it will just be a matter of scaling spells to overload 00:37 <[Demo][srn]> and limiting percent wizards and incants can overload based on xp lvl 00:45 Junethack: oh6 ascended a game of xNetHack on eu.hardfought.org! 00:53 -!- MisteryMyra has joined #hardfought 00:56 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:59 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 00:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 01:23 [hdf-us] [fh] Yuki (hoppet) (Sam Hum Fem Law), 23482 points, T:2358, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping and fainted from lack of food 01:41 -!- AmyBSOD\srn has joined #hardfought 01:53 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:58 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 02:01 bhaak: medusa scumming is lame, fix plz :P 02:02 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 02:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 02:02 it's always near the end of the tournament that it devolves into "who can scum the most games without getting bored", as opposed to being about actually playing the game 02:02 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:12 -!- bobbydurrett has joined #hardfought 02:15 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 02:15 [hdf-us] [dyn] Hoppet (hoppet) (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 1065 points, T:1986, killed by a water moccasin 02:19 How come konsole doesn't display dark rooms correctly with curses interface https://imgur.com/a/xBTNaK8 02:20 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:21 Anerag: hmm, is the variant you're playing one that supports use_darkgray? that might help; the dark rooms seem to have very dark blue dots that are almost impossible to see 02:21 with the darkgray option those dots would probably become gray, unless Konsole doesn't support that either 02:22 use_darkgray is turned on, which works fine with xterm 02:22 huh? it's already on but the dots are still dark blue??? wtf 02:23 from what I've heard, curses for 3.6x-based variants is currently in beta stage, so maybe not all the options work correctly in curses mode, but if it works correctly in a different terminal then it's probably not because of curses 02:24 Hm, very odd. Never seen anything like this happen before 02:28 -!- bobbydurrett has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:41 AmyBSOD\srn: fix being make the tournament only 3 weeks long 02:41 bhaak: Message from K2 at 2018-06-21 19:14 EDT: all hdf servers run Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS. I connect via putty (CP437 translation for IBMgraphics). for some games like dynahack, I have a profile set that uses UTF-8 strictly 02:42 bhaak: Junethack 2019 should last for two months due to the large amount of variants. After all we'll probably have Mandevilhack and Tubhack and LoveLymiaHack and K2's Evilhack, and of course also DNHslex and Demo's Notdnethack, in addition to all the existing variants, and no one can ascend them all in just one month. 03:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:28823 03:00 * bhaak considers renaming Junethack to NotEvilHackTournament 03:03 the idea of junethack is not ascensions. 03:03 it's getting bug reports from players 03:04 Junethack: funcrunch ascended a game of NetHack 3.6.1 on nethack.alt.org! 03:26 bhaak: dnhslex should have been part of it then, it certainly has slumbering bugs that need to be uncovered ;) 03:49 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Durin's Bane, on T:33174 04:07 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:30 !tell antigulp are giant falcons supposed to fall into pits? 04:30 Will do, oh6! 04:32 speaking of bug reports 04:52 -!- oh6 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:03 @d?metroid 05:03 metroid (t) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 10 | Res: fire poison acid | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 5 | Attacks: 1d4 bite level drain, 1d1 claw sticky | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies, amphibious, breathless, thick hide, regenerates, poisonous, stalker, infravisible 05:06 @d?half-dragon mummy 05:06 half-dragon mummy (M) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 12 | Res: cold sleep poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Attacks: 2d4 claw physical, 4d6 breath half-dragon | Alignment: -5 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, mindless, poisonous, undead 05:30 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:38 -!- Pinkbeas1 has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:42 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Watcher in the Water, on T:38445 07:15 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:15 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 07:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 07:36 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 07:38 <@Tone\ootc> !who 07:38 @Tone\ootc: [hdf-us] Pimpus [nh13d] 07:38 @Tone\ootc: [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh361] Graznop [nh361] elenmirie [4k] 07:38 @Tone\ootc: [hdf-au] V38M2Y69T [slex] Tangles [dnh] 07:38 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 07:40 -!- on0moLi has joined #hardfought 07:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:49 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:51 -!- AmyBSOD\srn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:19 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 08:20 -!- lorimer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:21 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 08:21 -!- on0moLi has left #hardfought 08:23 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 08:26 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:31 -!- Schrubber has joined #hardfought 08:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] Pimpus (Bar Hlf Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1981 08:35 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 08:45 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided master liches dungeon wide on T:39235 08:46 -!- Graznop has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:47 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided demiliches dungeon wide on T:39319 08:57 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:39991 09:11 could some please explain fourk unicorn horns. i'm confused 09:12 someone 09:12 anyone, really 09:20 hothraxxa, after restoring attributes it loses an enchantment if greater than -5, or is destroyed if at -5 or worse 09:21 thanks. what's the effect of cancelling it? 09:21 sets enchantment to 0, as any object 09:22 right but as soon as i use it it goes back to -1 09:22 even if blessed 09:22 a blessed unicorn horn is guaranteed to fix at least one ailment, but will then unbless with probability depending on your unicorn horn skill 09:22 oh lovely 09:22 with an uncursed unicorn horn there's always a possibility of it doing nothing, as in vanilla 09:23 is a blessed -1 unihorn any good? 09:23 except lose a point of enchantment of course 09:23 (I suppose, anyway) 09:23 there's always a possibility of nothing in vanilla, b lessed or not 09:25 i guess jonadab has a patch that gives everyone a dozen extra skill slots 09:25 oh wait 09:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:9250 09:48 <[Demo][srn]> wow when i search mulching on the wiki it takes me to exactly what im looking for 09:53 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:00 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 10:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 10:01 [hdf-us] [un] cxxr (Val Dwa Fem Law), 11643 points, T:3585, killed by a minotaur 10:01 <[Demo][srn]> man i really hope tele works on grunt astral 10:02 I've never seen tele work on any astral 10:02 oh you mean teleporting other things away 10:03 yes. 10:03 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:04 <[Demo][srn]> i have so many wand of it hoarded 10:05 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 10:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 10:10 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:39601 10:14 -!- Graznop has joined #hardfought 10:14 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:15 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:39865 10:17 <[Demo][srn]> is juib swamp 3d water in grunt? 10:29 <[Demo][srn]> "Vlad the Impaler's scroll of teleportation catches fire and burns!" a successful play 10:30 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:40582 10:30 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) picked up the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:40592 10:33 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 10:33 <[Demo][srn]> i think i might try to joust demogorgon 10:33 <[Demo][srn]> but with archery and wands of teleportation 10:46 [hdf-us] [un] cxxr (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 4612 points, T:4302, killed by a gold golem 10:56 [Demo][srn]: re: mulching, you're welcome 10:57 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 11:00 <[Demo][srn]> hmm im pretty sure this is 3d water 11:00 <[Demo][srn]> cause theres a path running through it all 11:01 <[Demo][srn]> hmm nope normal swamp? 11:01 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:03 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:41127 11:03 <[Demo][srn]> oh damn detination always mulches 11:06 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:07 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:41472 11:08 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:10 <[Demo][srn]> no i didnt 11:10 <[Demo][srn]> scares me what could have got him 11:13 Tangles: I wonder if it's possible to tweak the livelog code so it only livelogs unique deaths when it was actually the player's fault. 11:14 <[Demo][srn]> i think it was a dragon zombie 11:14 <[Demo][srn]> cause i found a dragon zombie hauling around a wand of death 11:14 <[Demo][srn]> very good wand of death recovery 11:17 <[Demo][srn]> what makes grunt astral hard? 11:17 nothing out of the ordinary afai 11:17 afair 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh343] rikerw (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 404 points, T:69, killed by a pony 11:18 <[Demo][srn]> so its easy? 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh343] rikerw (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 100 points, T:25, killed by a coyote 11:19 [Demo][srn]: player monsters can have highly enchanted weapons with random properties (such as vorpal), so there's that. 11:19 [hdf-us] [nh343] rikerw (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 700 points, T:101, killed by a cave spider 11:20 <@rikersan\srn> it has randomized planes 11:20 otherwise it's not especially hard. 11:20 yea the order is random. 11:20 <[Demo][srn]> is it a good place to let off detonation arrows? 11:20 -!- AmyBSOD\srn has joined #hardfought 11:23 [hdf-us] [fh] dig for asmodeous (rikerw) (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 22937 points, T:127, killed by a Woodland-elf, while praying 11:23 any place is a good place to blow up detonation arrows 11:23 aosdict\ito: If memory serves, the livelog code could be moved to xkilled(), which is the function called when the player receives experience for killing something. 11:24 [hdf-us] [fh] . (rikerw) (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 10615 points, T:62, killed by a hill orc 11:24 [hdf-us] [fh] . (rikerw) (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 11651 points, T:54, killed by a giant rat 11:25 <@rikersan\srn> !tell AmyBSOD\srn is there a way to generate asmo easily in slex? 11:25 Will do, @rikersan\srn! 11:25 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:42373 11:25 hi rikersan\srn! unfortunately not; you'd have to get very lucky to have him be gated in by a random lawful major demon 11:25 AmyBSOD\srn: Message from @rikersan\srn at 2018-06-22 11:25 EDT: is there a way to generate asmo easily in slex? 11:25 <@rikersan\srn> any way to summon specific unique monsters? 11:26 don't think so 11:26 <@rikersan\srn> kk 11:26 <[Demo][srn]> hmm dragon swallowing is a huge conflict buff? 11:26 maybe I'll try to do asmo, using my kamikaze strategy 11:27 <@rikersan\srn> how'd you do it? 11:27 <@rikersan\srn> looked like samurai + pickaxe? 11:27 yes, but the problem is it probably requires me to find specific items on the way or the castle will put a stop to my plans 11:29 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:42560 11:29 <@rikersan\srn> is that the kamikaze one? 11:29 <@rikersan\srn> also, what's the fastest digging set up in slex? 11:30 uhh, spirit archeologist is probably fast, but since Asmo's lair can be anywhere from 52-98 and might not even exist at all... yeah, I guess slex is not the best variant to attempt this ;) 11:30 <@rikersan\srn> hm ok 11:30 <[Demo][srn]> man i wish grunthack had dis 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 9234 points, T:17042, killed by a white unicorn 11:31 and yeah the kamikaze strategy is the only thing I know how to do in vanilla :P 11:31 let's do this! 11:31 !who 11:31 AmyBSOD\srn: [hdf-us] rikerw [spl] Demo [gh] 11:31 AmyBSOD\srn: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [nh343] Graznop [nh361] Muad [un] 11:31 AmyBSOD\srn: [hdf-au] Tangles [dnh] 11:31 AmyBSOD\srn: BTW I seem to have won a game 11:32 Pinkbeast: yay! IIRC I also congratulated you earlier ;) 11:32 [hdf-us] [spl] rikerw (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 700 points, T:91, killed by a falcon 11:32 I may have missed that, I'm kind of intermittently eyes-on-IRC, but thanks 11:32 well done! we need as many ascensions as we can :) 11:32 Good luck with that, I'm having a bash at Spork next 11:33 maybe I can also get another ascension 11:33 [hdf-us] [spl] rikerw (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 860 points, T:119, killed by a giant praying mantis 11:33 good thing samurai is so easy in vanilla :D 11:35 <@rikersan\srn> > q - 153 uncursed slime molds {0} 11:35 :) 11:35 slex gives you many of these 11:35 <@rikersan\srn> and devil star on the ground :D 11:35 <@rikersan\srn> ent rocket 11:35 <@rikersan\srn> ent rocket 11:35 <@rikersan\srn> *ROCKER 11:36 <@rikersan\srn> how do I turn off the auto-chew-through-stuff >_> 11:37 you can't :( 11:37 maybe I can make that into an option though 11:37 for the next version, that is 11:37 <@rikersan\srn> please do 11:38 <@rikersan\srn> yea 11:38 <@rikersan\srn> or just merged into autodig 11:38 nah it should be on by default, so players notice that they can eat walls in the first place 11:39 <@rikersan\srn> amy I sacrificed 5 things and the altar dissapeared 11:39 <@rikersan\srn> that's too little 11:39 :( 11:39 <@rikersan\srn> make it like cap at 20 BUCs or 10 sacs? 11:39 there is no cap, there's a 1 in 100 chance per sacrifice 11:39 RNG seems to hate you 11:39 <[Demo][srn]> hmm dispater 11:40 <[Demo][srn]> grunt should have the town of dis 11:40 <[Demo][srn]> instead of this 11:41 [hdf-us] [slex] rikerw (Roc Ent Mal Cha), 496 points, T:780, killed by a monster (Mr. Neuvicq, the shopkeeper) 11:41 <@rikersan\srn> note to self: do'nt do that 11:41 <@rikersan\srn> you will not be warned about doors 11:41 <@rikersan\srn> amy, please fix that 11:42 well don't eat every random door you see I guess? 11:42 I'll add a "chewwalls" option in the next version 11:42 which also includes chewing doors 11:43 <@rikersan\srn> I didn't try to, but autoopen doesn't work with chewwing 11:43 yeah once the chewwalls option is there, turning that off will make autoopen work 11:43 <@rikersan\srn> kk thanks 11:43 <[Demo][srn]> hmm I'm running out of light 11:44 <[Demo][srn]> I think I'll be eaten by a grue 11:45 <@rikersan\srn> is that a thing in gh 11:47 <[Demo][srn]> not quite 11:48 <[Demo][srn]> gehennom is super long 11:48 <[Demo][srn]> and the force is there 11:48 <[Demo][srn]> and you can't see where you've been on a level 11:48 aosdict\ito: Earlier you said you were interested in the level generation code, right? 11:48 <[Demo][srn]> fortunately I know it won't land me on lava unless I'm levitating 11:49 <[Demo][srn]> if in flying it won't 11:49 <[Demo][srn]> goodpos is stupid and I hate it 11:50 <[Demo][srn]> it's used for way too much 11:50 <[Demo][srn]> such that it does a bad job at some of the things it does 12:01 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:43412 12:02 hmm this time I got a scroll of scare monster... do those work on minotaurs, or can they ignore them too? 12:04 <[Demo][srn]> no clue 12:04 <[Demo][srn]> time to fight demo 12:05 also there are fire ants in minetown, fix plz :P 12:05 how am I going to speedrun to asmo if unkillable monsters keep running into my path? 12:11 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Demogorgon, on T:43914 12:11 <[Demo][srn]> what the hell is an elder minotaur 12:12 oh that's probably one of K2's funny new additions to grunthack 12:12 basically, it's a high-level uberminotaur specifically designed to fuck up even players with a full ascension kit 12:12 <[Demo][srn]> well damn 12:12 <[Demo][srn]> i blew one to smithereens 12:12 <[Demo][srn]> theres chunks of it all over 12:12 haha 12:12 doesn't sound so bad ;) 12:12 <[Demo][srn]> i was smart and didnt melee 12:12 certainly better than having to deal with an alive, hostile one! 12:13 <[Demo][srn]> if a monster has elder in its name dont melee 12:13 also my strategy is once again not working, because there's a purple L at the castle that I cannot kill 12:15 how the heck do you get to asmo so fast 12:15 <[Demo][srn]> watch the ttyrecs 12:16 I'd probably need to find a random wand of wishing to pull it off 12:16 <@rikersan\srn> looks like they went wiz 12:16 don't know how to play a wiz :( 12:16 <@rikersan\srn> hey amy SRN is still in teh lead :D 12:16 <@rikersan\srn> splat is close seocnd 12:17 yes, but the hardcore autists have farmed hundreds of medusa kills :( 12:17 <@rikersan\srn> LOL 12:17 <@rikersan\srn> only 75 12:17 <@rikersan\srn> can't be that hard 12:17 they can easily outfarm us again and again if we try to farm too 12:17 <@rikersan\srn> do you want me to run some dwa ana :p 12:17 <@rikersan\srn> ah 12:17 sure, if you feel like wasting time ;) 12:17 <@rikersan\srn> ok we'll just farm on the 29th 12:17 <[Demo][srn]> oh good lord 12:18 <[Demo][srn]> a magic lamp 12:18 <@rikersan\srn> wish for rocks 12:18 <@rikersan\srn> named "fuck grunthack" 12:18 <@rikersan\srn> then escape in celestial disgrace 12:18 <@rikersan\srn> hey demo, cna you escape in disgrace? we don't have that GH trophy yet 12:19 <[Demo][srn]> no 12:19 <[Demo][srn]> im not not ascending 12:19 <@rikersan\srn> ok 12:22 ugh maybe I should just ascend instead of trying to go for asmo 12:22 it's probably easier 12:25 [hdf-us] [nh343] rikerw (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1586 points, T:1140, killed by a tengu 12:25 <[Demo][srn]> heh just got tengud up 12:26 <[Demo][srn]> tele control 12:26 <@rikersan\srn> amy: the only things we can really use would be more unnethack trophies and a lower asmo 12:26 yeah I might go for the un trophies later 12:26 <@rikersan\srn> unless tariru feels up to grinding slex ascensions :p 12:28 <[Demo][srn]> hmm someone killed the vorpal jaberwock so i didnt have to 12:28 <[Demo][srn]> lucky me 12:28 <@rikersan\srn> > killed by trying to circumvent an instadeath via hangup cheating 12:29 <@rikersan\srn> amy is that you lol 12:29 nope 12:29 <@rikersan\srn> well, is that slex 12:29 of course it is :D 12:29 <[Demo][srn]> found vibe square 12:29 <@rikersan\srn> wait, I thought you were on astral 12:29 <@rikersan\srn> !who 12:29 @rikersan\srn: [hdf-us] Demo [gh] pincushion [nh361] rikerw [un] 12:29 @rikersan\srn: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [nh343] Graznop [nh361] Muad [un] elenmirie [4k] 12:29 @rikersan\srn: [hdf-au] Tangles [dnh] 12:29 <@rikersan\srn> !whereis Demo 12:29 @rikersan\srn: [hdf-us] Demo [gh]: (Sam Hum Fem Law) T:44864 Gehennom level: 49 12:30 <[Demo][srn]> damn sword got cancelled 12:30 <[Demo][srn]> but its ok because im not using double damage weapons 12:31 <@rikersan\srn> ? 12:31 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 12:32 <[Demo][srn]> double damage weapons rely heavily on enchantment for dmg output 12:33 <@rikersan\srn> oh 12:34 <[Demo][srn]> hmm i see why amy plays samurai 12:34 <[Demo][srn]> its good in tighter situations 12:34 <@rikersan\srn> it's literally knight but you can caitiff 12:34 <[Demo][srn]> no 12:34 <[Demo][srn]> you get a bow 12:34 <[Demo][srn]> i think in grunt samurai is easiest role 12:34 and you start with speed 12:35 in vanilla, samurai is also the easiest role :D 12:35 <[Demo][srn]> becaue early game you need that for zombies 12:35 in grunt, monsters cast slow monster so the speed is useless 12:35 <[Demo][srn]> and late game you can get insanely OP magical ones and a shit ton of ya from the quest 12:35 <[Demo][srn]> and literally blow elder minotaurs to smithereens 12:39 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:45142 12:40 <@rikersan\srn> what's "you feel powerful" in grunt? 12:40 <[Demo][srn]> not sure 12:40 <[Demo][srn]> and afraid 12:40 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) picked up the Book of the Dead, on T:45149 12:40 <@rikersan\srn> you get agg monster I think 12:41 Chris_ANG: I'm interested in level generation as a general topic. Unfortunately I haven't gotten around to putting in more work on my algorithms lately. 12:41 <[Demo][srn]> im gonna aggravate the shit out of some monsters 12:41 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed the Invocation, on T:45164 12:42 aosdict\ito: Ok, I was looking for on why consultation antholes weren't getting initialized if placed in a .des file, but I figured it out. 12:42 Er 12:42 *for a consultation on why 12:42 No use_darkgray in Spork? Bah. 12:43 Chris_ANG: Yeah, my 3.6 level gen documentation patch is paused at sp_lev.c... >_< 12:43 <@escargott'em> My very first sac gift :D 12:44 ... or there is, but it's not in the O menu 12:44 <@rikersan\srn> what is it? 12:44 <@escargott'em> Mjollnir, as human valk 12:44 <@rikersan\srn> ah 12:44 <@escargott'em> Isn't there a risk of getting zapped with that 12:44 <@rikersan\srn> demo: looks like powerful means nothing, same with monster agg 12:44 <@escargott'em> And a need for gloves is strength 12:44 <@rikersan\srn> doesn't do anything but set u.uevent.demigod 12:44 <@escargott'em> Of* 12:45 -!- lorimer has quit [Quit: NAE TROOSERS] 12:46 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 12:47 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 12:47 <@escargott'em> Oh all that stuff is just for throwing it 12:48 <@escargott'em> When would I use mjollnir over Excalibur if I'm not going to throw it? 12:48 <@rikersan\srn> not to piss off demon lords 12:48 <[Demo][srn]> You see here 273 thoroughly rotted chunks of zombie dragon zombie flesh. jesus 12:50 zombie dragon zombie? DOUBLE ZOMBIE! 12:51 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:51 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the elven high priestess of Moloch, on T:45551 12:52 <@escargott'em> Should I keep trying for more sac gifts? What's the down side? :p 12:52 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) picked up the Amulet of Yendor, on T:45555 12:52 <@rikersan\srn> nothing 12:52 <@rikersan\srn> but you may run out of food 12:52 <@escargott'em> So far I have just been praying for food 12:53 <@escargott'em> I should probably start keeping track of turns while doing all this praying 12:54 <[Demo][srn]> finally found a lev ring 12:55 "baked bread" does not work well as a fruit name: 12:55 q - 2 baked breads 12:55 what if you use "loaf of baked bread"? 12:55 well, I can't think of anything better if you were specifically avoiding "loaf" 12:55 <@rikersan\srn> loaf of baked breads? 12:55 <@rikersan\srn> :p 12:55 which of course, nethack doesn't know enough to add loaf 12:55 Yeah 12:56 It'd be 2 loaf of baked breads, the fruit name parser isn't that good. 12:56 <@IceBox> @escargott'em praying also resets your prayer timeout after a wile 12:56 <@IceBox> so you can altar scum pretty safely 12:56 <@IceBox> sacc'ing 12:56 <@escargott'em> Wait, getting a sac gift resets my prayer right? 12:56 <@IceBox> not praying 12:56 "baked bread loaf" might work. 12:57 <@IceBox> getting a gift triggers the timeout i believe, therefore it is NOT safe to pray shortly after recieving a gift 12:57 <@rikersan\srn> yep 12:57 Wait, wouldn't it be "2 loafs/loaves of baked bread"? It'd parse out the "of" correctly at least, though I'm not sure whether it knows how to pluralize loaf. 12:57 <@IceBox> but continuing to sacrifice will (probably) reset the timeout so that you can pray again, like for food 12:58 <@IceBox> so you can continue altar scumming 😃 12:58 Oh, huh. 12:58 I'll have to try loaf of bread, then. 12:58 in xnh it pluralizes correctly to "2 loaves of baked bread", and I didn't change any xnh pluralization behavior. 12:58 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:45691 12:58 yeah https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Source:NetHack_3.6.0/src/objnam.c it's line 2015 or so 12:59 something like any vowel+f becomes -ves 12:59 (but not loaves oves bread..) 13:00 mwahahaha. with fruit:and a half loaf of baked bread, I now have "l - 2 and a half loaves of baked bread" 13:00 My, that was a yummy and a half loaf of baked bread! 13:00 hah 13:00 "yummy and a half" sounds like an idiom 13:01 <[Demo][srn]> i think sgrunt broke gremlins 13:04 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46150 13:04 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 13:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 13:06 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 13:06 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46327 13:07 nice 13:08 <[Demo][srn]> fuck hells treadmill 13:10 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 13:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6] by ChanServ 13:10 okay my asmodeus mission is failing again, I'll probably just try to get the wand of wishing and wish for an ascension kit and win, or die in the attempt 13:10 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46806 13:11 <[Demo][srn]> jesus christ 13:11 <[Demo][srn]> is the force chance increased 13:13 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided mind flayers dungeon wide on T:44239 13:14 "hell's treadmill" is so descriptive yet I've never heard that before 13:14 <@rikersan\srn> yes 13:14 <@rikersan\srn> demo tends to say interesting things like that ;p 13:15 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47111 13:22 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47299 13:27 <[Demo][srn]> oh cool grunt makes player monsers munch providers 13:27 <@rikersan\srn> what 13:27 <[Demo][srn]> so elven ones are strong for you to steal some lembas 13:33 <[Demo][srn]> finally 13:33 * aosdict\ito adds "munch provider" as a hallumon 13:35 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:48211 13:35 aosdict\ito: do you have "bread juice" as your fruit juice? (if so, you can thank me for it, because I filed a bug report at a very early stage about "piece of cheese juice") 13:35 "X of Y" is now mostly done correctly 13:36 my actual fruit name is currently laser sandwich 13:36 I don't know what that means but it sounds cool 13:36 mine is "thing" (special for the tournament, usually it's "strange object"_ 13:36 ) 13:36 I might go back to "piece of cheese" 13:40 <[Demo][srn]> i dont trust grunt nazguls to not be uber nazguls 13:40 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:48639 13:41 <@escargott'em> Okay I got too greedy, lost my -3 protection :( 13:41 <@rikersan\srn> RIP 13:44 <[Demo][srn]> good lord i hate nethack 13:44 man I'm so glad I have this ring of conflict, which is not overpowered at all :P 13:44 <@rikersan\srn> context? 13:44 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "Blessed +2 fixed greased dragonhide cloak of magic resistance and displacement", on T:49080 13:45 <@rikersan\srn> !whereis Demo 13:45 @rikersan\srn: [hdf-us] Demo [gh]: (Sam Hum Fem Law) T:49035 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 (with Amulet) 13:45 <[Demo][srn]> its just the same hellishness over and over 13:46 <@rikersan\srn> says the guy who made illithanachronounbinder 13:46 <[Demo][srn]> that one has a different ending 13:46 <@rikersan\srn> lel not even bothering to enchant 13:46 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the planes, on T:49086 13:46 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:49086 13:47 * AmyBSOD\srn hates nethack too because if the right items don't drop, you get stuck (can't cross water or get past the drawbridge) 13:47 only way to proceed is to farm endlessly 13:48 I think you have to have pretty ghastly luck not to have _a_ way of doing it 13:48 and then either the necessary items drop or I have to continue farming until they do 13:48 <@rikersan\srn> I like khor's castle for that reason 13:48 <[Demo][srn]> why would i enchant armour 13:49 <@rikersan\srn> spawns with random instruments 13:49 <[Demo][srn]> so i can be sad when i get cancelled? 13:49 <@rikersan\srn> does reflectin not prevent 13:49 <[Demo][srn]> no 13:49 <[Demo][srn]> you get cancelled regardless 13:49 <@rikersan\srn> lol 13:49 <[Demo][srn]> always 13:49 With the ghastliest luck, you can reduce that to just being able to cross water (you open the drawbridge, soldier immediately blows it up, monster swarming prevents you from taking a swim in the hopes of crossing) 13:49 <@rikersan\srn> anyway hurry up I want to watch you ascend before I leave 13:50 with the ghastliest luck you don't even have anything that can open the drawbridge 13:50 I'm not saying you _can't_ find no wands of striking, but... 13:50 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:50 <[Demo][srn]> i think sgrunt cant tell the difference between difficult and annoying 13:50 aosdict\ito: Needing to decide what's worth spending skill slots on and what's not worth it, or not _AS_ worth it, is very intended. 13:50 <@rikersan\srn> ^ 13:51 what if I tried to dig for victory and am stranded on Medusa's island now with no way back? 13:51 Well, don't do that, then 13:51 jonadab: ? 13:52 As in, digging for victory with no way to get into the Castle seems imprudent 13:52 aosdict\ito: Oh, sorry, I nickpinged the wrong person. 13:53 hothraxxa: Needing to decide what's worth spending skill slots on and what's not worth it, or not _AS_ worth it, is very intended. 13:54 <@escargott'em> Okay I got too greedy again and got crowned 13:55 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:55 The vanilla mechanic of "of course you're going to #enhance every single skill that you _can_ #enhance, because there is no downside" is dumb. If there's not going to be any downside, they should all just auto-enhance. 13:55 jonadab: the downside is that you'll not have enough skill points for other skills 13:56 AmyBSOD\srn: Right, that's why there *shouldn't* be enough skill points that you can just #enhance every single one. 13:56 yes, like if you're a wizard and the game enhances staff for you because you don't have a dagger yet 13:56 Needing to choose makes the whole skill point system worth having. 13:56 agree 13:56 but the vanilla mechanic is "you can enhance one weapon and dual-wielding to expert and maybe one ranged weapon and one or two spell schools and that's it" 13:56 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 13:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 13:57 I'll only accept auto-enhance if it comes with unlimited skill slots 13:57 (or does away with skill slots altogether) 13:57 with the vanilla system, no one is ever going to enhance short sword or mace or 13:57 <@rikersan\srn> it's excalibur 13:57 <@rikersan\srn> so if you already have it, it doesn't do anything 13:57 AmyBSOD\srn: I have never, at any time, chosen not to enhance a skill in NetHack because "Well, that _would_ be useful now, but I'm gonna need the slot later for [other skill]". And I've never run out of slots and been unable to enhance something later, either. 13:57 there's a good mace in vanilla! 13:58 I do actually enhance mace with priests because I tend to play lawful and wish for the sceptre of might 13:58 There's a lot more pressure on spellcasters, whether or not they also use weapons. 13:58 For skill slots. 13:58 jonadab: even with the healer? you would enhance knife and other crap weapon skills? 13:58 <@rikersan\srn> I've run into that issue all the time in spellcasters 13:58 yes, Law Pri loves the mace 13:58 <@rikersan\srn> yea 13:58 <@escargott'em> So the only real benefit I got from crowning is I got a bunch of intrinsics? 13:58 AmyBSOD\srn: I can't survive long enough as a healer to #enhance anything :-( 13:58 <@rikersan\srn> yep 13:58 <@rikersan\srn> and a longer prayer timeout :P 13:58 <@rikersan\srn> go play dnh you get super nice crowning gifts 13:58 <@escargott'em> Sleep and shock.. Already had the others 13:58 and an extra skill slot :P 13:58 cav should wield the first mace they find too, never mind the club 13:59 Monk is the role where I'd be most likely to have skill-slot issues in vanilla. 13:59 and they don't even need weapon skills! 13:59 <@rikersan\srn> what about 2weping valks? 13:59 <@rikersan\srn> saber + sword + hammer sohuld probably all be expert 13:59 You hit the titanothere! You hear some noises. "Burrrrp!" The titanothere is killed! 13:59 <@rikersan\srn> that's 18 levels right there iirc 13:59 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:49310 13:59 @rikersan\srn No, that's Expert longsword + Skilled twoweapon, usually. 13:59 not hammer, you don't want to wield mjollnir once you've got excalibur 14:00 Since Excalibur is such a dominant strategy. 14:00 @rikersan\srn As a Valk I normally take long sword, dagger, and two-weapon-combat to expert. 14:00 No use for hammer or saber, as a valk. 14:00 skilled saber and grayswandir + katana is valid too 14:00 <@rikersan\srn> not 2weping a silver saber? 14:00 Err, hmm, two-weapon might only go to skilled. 14:00 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:49326 14:00 @rikersan\srn Normally Excalibur + katana or somesuch. 14:00 <@rikersan\srn> hm 14:00 I'd use Grays if I happened to find it, but not worth a wish. 14:01 or sac for it 14:01 if you're lawful that is 14:01 that's why samurai is the best role, they start with a katana :D 14:01 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:49347 14:02 AmyBSOD\srn: Hmm, that gives me an idea: I should have them start with just the wakizashi, and get their katana from the quest. More character advancement that way, instead of just starting with everything :-) 14:02 <@rikersan\srn> jonadab, don't be mean to the crazy lady 14:02 jonadab: do that, I'm looking forward to bitching about it :P 14:02 <@rikersan\srn> this is a family friendly server 14:02 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:49367 14:03 or better yet, do what dnethack did, and give female samurai a naginata instead of the katana. Bitching guaranteed because it's also genderist, sexist, misogynist etc. :P (just kidding!) 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh361] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:29790 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh361] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29791 14:03 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Death, on T:49383 14:04 gah my strategy of randomly wear-testing rings in the hopes of getting levitation caused me to end with two cursed rings that do nothing obvious 14:04 hunger and aggravate monster, most likely 14:04 oh wait, the silver ring must be teleportitis 14:04 <@rikersan\srn> I've had cursed conflict before 14:04 <@rikersan\srn> that sucked 14:04 that's likely to be cursed too 14:05 <@rikersan\srn> is it? 14:05 why? conflict is awesome 14:05 (teleport) 14:05 <@rikersan\srn> I've only seen it cursed once 14:05 <@rikersan\srn> ah 14:05 you don't *always* want conflict 14:05 <@rikersan\srn> ok 14:05 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 14:05 <@escargott'em> Is it even viable to get a sac gift after crowning? Or will I run out of food too fast? 14:05 <@rikersan\srn> amy: cursed conflict, on a dwarvish character in the mines? 14:05 <@rikersan\srn> dwarf knight iirc, so I can't fight back 14:05 <@rikersan\srn> and I think I died trying to uncurse it in a fountain 14:05 hmm there's a nymph 14:05 I'll probably drop everything and let her steal the ring :P 14:05 yes! 14:06 !tell AntiGulp haha we both independently implemented allowing teleportation onto the vibrating square :D 14:06 Will do, aosdict\ito! 14:06 if you're lucky she'll steal both rings 14:06 <@rikersan\srn> congrats demo 14:06 rikersan\srn: samurai can't be dwarves though 14:06 [hdf-us] [gh] Demo (Sam Hum Fem Law), 3208722 points, T:49415, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Demo/gh/dumplog/1529006665.gh.txt 14:06 congrats demo! 14:06 yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay congratulations Demo!!! you managed to beat the evil variant! 14:06 <@rikersan\srn> iirc only tariru has done that amy 14:07 yay the nymph did indeed steal the teleportitis ring 14:07 <[Demo][srn]> grunt isnt that bad but the people that are good at it do their damnedest to run people off from it 14:07 <[Demo][srn]> wayyyyyyyy easier than spork 14:07 so the other is probably hunger? that's actually useful, I can eat more corpses that way :P 14:08 <[Demo][srn]> that was by far the easiest astral ive done all month 14:08 <[Demo][srn]> wait maybe dnh's was easier 14:09 <[Demo][srn]> but i was exploiting an oversight for that so that doesnt count 14:09 <@rikersan\srn> what did you do? 14:09 AmyBSOD\srn: Maybe it's an acknowledgement that some historical societies have had gender biases. 14:09 <@rikersan\srn> enki or dant? 14:09 <[Demo][srn]> enki 14:09 <[Demo][srn]> dant doesnt work there 14:09 <[Demo][srn]> enki does 14:09 <@rikersan\srn> hm, why not dant? 14:09 <@rikersan\srn> oh 14:09 <@rikersan\srn> TIL 14:09 the ring turned out to be aggravate monster 14:09 <[Demo][srn]> cause its blocked lol 14:09 <[Demo][srn]> chris blocked dant a bunch of places 14:09 <@rikersan\srn> lol nice one chris 14:10 <[Demo][srn]> but enki very few 14:10 jonadab: yeah I know, naginatas are apparently "the japanese woman's weapon" or something, but still... katanas are just better :P 14:10 AmyBSOD\srn: Arguably, _failure_ to acknowledge that historical reality would itself be mysogynist and so on. 14:10 <@rikersan\srn> enki is one of the best binder spirits even not counting the doorway tele 14:10 <@rikersan\srn> you learn swimming forever, unrestrict short sword (useful early game if you need a weapon), and geyser is reasonably strong 14:11 <[Demo][srn]> oh hey 14:11 <[Demo][srn]> i got the no elbereth grunt trophy 14:11 <[Demo][srn]> srn needed that one 14:11 <@rikersan\srn> oh yay we don't have that oen 14:11 <@rikersan\srn> yea 14:11 <[Demo][srn]> so i got us the same number of new trophies as if i did escape in celestial disgrace 14:11 <[Demo][srn]> which there was never any chance of a need of 14:11 <[Demo][srn]> that was a seriously easy astral 14:13 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour" unlocked by Demo! 14:13 Junethack: Demo ascended a game of GruntHack on www.hardfought.org! 14:13 yaaaaaaaay! 14:13 <[Demo][srn]> oh finally 14:13 <[Demo][srn]> wasnt sure what variant was holding it up 14:13 !tell AntiGulp Hmm, scrolls of knowledge are interesting but I'm having trouble thinking of uses for them, apart from learning the labels of unknown scrolls so you can write them 100%, and maaaaybe learning the wand of wishing so you won't engrave-test it and blow a wish on charging? 14:13 Will do, aosdict\ito! 14:14 Evil Patch idea: vampire's melee attacks can damage your maximum HP. 14:14 <[Demo][srn]> grunt nerfs the crap out of spell casters 14:14 <[Demo][srn]> their most powerful attack, summon swarm, gone 14:15 <[Demo][srn]> @g?elder minotaur 14:15 No such monster. 14:15 Nice Silly Patch Idea: Maximum HP loss follows the same rules as maximum Pw loss, where the maximum can only be lowered when the actual amount is 0. :D 14:15 <[Demo][srn]> they also cant destroy armour you 14:16 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 14:16 <[Demo][srn]> why is grunt considered so bad? 14:17 (backscroll) aosdict\ito: I can’t believe we implemented vibrating square teleportation randomly! I just happened to run across it in the YANI archive and it was something that always really bothered me! 14:17 AntiGulp: Message from oh6 at 2018-06-22 04:30 EDT: are giant falcons supposed to fall into pits? 14:17 AntiGulp: Message from aosdict\ito at 2018-06-22 14:06 EDT: haha we both independently implemented allowing teleportation onto the vibrating square :D 14:17 AntiGulp: Message from aosdict\ito at 2018-06-22 14:13 EDT: Hmm, scrolls of knowledge are interesting but I'm having trouble thinking of uses for them, apart from learning the labels of unknown scrolls so you can write them 100%, and maaaaybe learning the wand of wishing so you won't engrave-test it and blow a wish on charging? 14:17 <[Demo][srn]> cause early game is impossible I guess? 14:17 because it does a lot of deliberately evil things 14:17 <[Demo][srn]> well they arent that bad in the end game 14:17 <[Demo][srn]> you dont really need enchantment on your armour when its made of dragonhide 14:17 just you wait 14:18 for some random creature on the ascension run to vorpal-decapitate you 14:18 <[Demo][srn]> yeah use an aols 14:18 twice in a row 14:18 <[Demo][srn]> ehhh 14:18 <[Demo][srn]> cant see that being likely 14:18 <[Demo][srn]> I guess thats kind of bullshit 14:18 <[Demo][srn]> but seems very rare 14:19 <[Demo][srn]> im not sure why dragons were changed to swallow 14:19 very rare but unavoidable deaths will eventually kill _someone_ 14:19 AntiGulp: also, I think there's a memory leak with scrolls of knowledge 14:19 Random monsters being vorpal sounds super annoying 14:19 Also memory leak oh no must fix 14:19 <[Demo][srn]> some have vorpal weapons 14:20 AntiGulp: It's not the monsters that are vorpal, except vorpal jabberwocks 14:20 <[Demo][srn]> i probably got hit by vorpal weapons quite a few times 14:20 Ah, okay 14:20 the readobjnam call creates an obj, but it doesn't seem to be deleted anywhere 14:20 <[Demo][srn]> with obfree? 14:21 or delobj 14:21 <[Demo][srn]> do either work/ 14:22 Makes sense, I’ll update it rn. Can’t believe that I managed to get monsters riding steeds stable, but scroll of knowledge is what memory leaks. Such is coding :/ 14:22 [Demo][srn]: I guess delobj has more checks to extract it from its chain, make sure the map is updated, which aren't needed here. 14:23 Actually, obfree mainly contains a bunch of checks that aren't needed for a temporary psuedo object either. 14:23 AntiGulp: Also, be very very careful with readobjnam, I might even say it shouldn't be used for this 14:24 Good to know. I was basically just copying some of the wish parser code, and may have done some dangerous things. 14:24 readobjnam makes some assumptions that it's being used to 1) make a wish and 2) wants to actually create an object. 14:24 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 pair of speed boots", on T:45564 14:25 So it might increment the wish counter and break wish conduct (not sure), and if someone decides to look up an artifact it may count that as creating the artifact 14:25 <[Demo][srn]> yikes 14:25 !tell oh6 Apparently all the domestic birds have been missing the flying tag? Thank you for telling me about this! 14:25 Will do, AntiGulp! 14:25 And yeah gonna look into that ASAP 14:25 I was trying to make a similar function that would do the same thing but without wish-specific stuff 14:25 <[Demo][srn]> are they chickens? :P 14:25 <[Demo][srn]> i think slashem chickens are domestic 14:26 anyway, off to paint, be back later 14:26 have fun! 14:26 <[Demo][srn]> if i were messing with that id split the wish code 14:26 <[Demo][srn]> between the interpretter and the creater 14:27 aosdict was right, it turns out readobjnam does a LOT more than I thought. Hmmmm this is going to be interesting to debug. 14:28 <[Demo][srn]> haha 14:28 <[Demo][srn]> damn nethack source code being a disorganized confusing mess with functions that do more than they ought to and should be refactored into a bunch of sub functions 14:28 -!- zjmc_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:29 Like it’s called “readobjnam,” why would is start messing with conducts and stuff like that??? Aaaggh 14:29 <[Demo][srn]> i don't know how much spell.c stuff you've touched but a lot of the menu related stuff sucks 14:30 I tried looking at the spell.c menus. Once. Then I hid. 14:30 <[Demo][srn]> oh nice a segfault 14:30 <[Demo][srn]> and i think i actually know why 14:32 I wish the game would finally make a winter wolf so that I can get off of Medusa's island. 14:33 <[Demo][srn]> digging isnt an option? 14:33 can't get past the drawbridge 14:33 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 19217 points, T:884, killed by a boulder 14:37 <[Demo][srn]> oh god 14:38 gaaaaaaaah 14:38 this is stupid design and everyone knows it 14:39 I hope whoever invented instapetrification that can't be stopped even if you have a lizard corpse should be instapetrified in real life. 14:39 AmyBSOD\srn: Umm, in 3.4.3, eating a lizard corpse _does_ stop it. 14:40 "You hit the chickatrice. You turn to stone." 14:40 <[Demo][srn]> i broke the spell view 14:40 Of course the damn thing JUST had to come around a corner after I took off everything to be healed by this nurse, too. 14:40 Right, you have to eat the lizard corpse immediately, not stand around doing other things while you turn to stone. 14:40 Nah, if you punch one bare-handed, you simply die without a chance to save yourself. 14:40 And yes, being naked is dangerous in NetHack. You knew that. 14:40 Oh, THAT kind of petrification. 14:40 _Instant_ petrification. 14:41 Yes. 14:41 it's avoidable 14:41 “You feel more knowledgeable about glorkum 1 0 0’s.” — My code is possessed, I did not tell it to print this 14:41 EPI: nurses can generate with gloves and, very rarely, with cockatrice corpses. 14:41 (unlike poison instadeath) 14:42 you have the choice not to punch it 14:42 <[Demo][srn]> ahhh memory corruption 14:42 poison instadeath seems pretty rare, and you can become resistant easily 14:42 <[Demo][srn]> dnh has had fun memory bugs with strings 14:43 define "easily" if there are dozens of Uruk-hai with poisoned arrows chasing you 14:43 they won't fire those arrows at point blank, so I just wait behind a corner :D 14:43 EPI: monsters who have a c corpse can #invoke it to summon a nurse or foocubus. 14:44 and for killer bees and stuff I can use the cheat code :P 14:45 <[Demo][srn]> ok so yeah fun thing 14:45 <[Demo][srn]> instead of trying to special case spell view code to not want the overload int pointer when menuing just instead let it have a dummy one and that's way easier 14:46 AmyBSOD\srn: not all of us cheat 14:47 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Turriff on T:4440 14:47 -!- raisse is now known as raisse\splat 14:47 yeah but without the cheat code I'd just die 14:48 not sure what the strategy should be if you're chased by soldier ants that are faster than you, other than keeping them off with Elbereth 14:48 <[Demo][srn]> dying is a strategy 14:48 <[Demo][srn]> just saying 14:48 yes, and? just don't tell people who don't cheat that it's "easy" 14:49 <[Demo][srn]> if elbereth is cheating then whys it in the game versions after it being fairly common knowledge? 14:50 oh, I don't think elbereth is cheating, I thought amy had a real cheat code (as in: type xyzzy and blam! you're poison resistant) 14:50 naaaaah 14:50 I think Elbereth is hilarious - it was even more hilarious in 3.4.3 14:50 oh6: Message from AntiGulp at 2018-06-22 14:25 EDT: Apparently all the domestic birds have been missing the flying tag? Thank you for telling me about this! 14:50 for one thing, it can fail, or erode 14:50 I have to eat killer bee corpses and hope to become resistant, just like everyone else ;) 14:50 and it doesn't protect against arrows 14:50 Nah, type xyzzy and you're at end of road again 14:50 or poison spikes in hidden pits 14:51 #plugh 14:51 (almost typed "pints" there, must be thirsty) 14:51 <[Demo][srn]> hmm 14:51 <[Demo][srn]> does slex still not have a cowboy role? 14:51 -!- Tariru_ has joined #hardfought 14:53 [Demo][srn]: the courier is basically a cowbow, i.e. the guy you play in Fallout New Vegas 14:53 hahaha "cowbow", I wanted to write cowboy of course 14:53 <@rikersan\srn> yes but it's also garbage 14:53 <[Demo][srn]> is fisto in slex? 14:53 <@rikersan\srn> agg monster + conflict + hunger + no head 14:53 <@rikersan\srn> so you burn 4x nutrition and can't wear hats 14:53 the unique powerfist? we unfortunately don't have powerfists at all 14:53 rikersan\srn: the no head thing is awesome, you're completely immune to mind flayers and can't be beheaded 14:54 <[Demo][srn]> no the robo prostitute fist thing from fallout new vegas 14:54 <@rikersan\srn> yes but you burn 4x nutrition 14:54 <@rikersan\srn> and you have the warpy thingy from agg monst 14:54 yeah, that's crippling early on 14:54 later, the hunger can become useful 14:54 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:55 <@rikersan\srn> to eat shit? 14:55 <@rikersan\srn> I"ve never wanted to in slex 14:57 <[Demo][srn]> thats what toilets r for 14:57 <[Demo][srn]> empty ur bowels and eat another dragon 14:57 <[Demo][srn]> i just realized why theres water around dnh's treasure vaults 14:58 lol, yup it's lame 14:58 <[Demo][srn]> gotta keep out the digging monsters 14:58 keep them out with genocide scrolls 14:58 <[Demo][srn]> so you don't have some dwarf free a shoggoth on your level 4 valkyrie 14:58 rikersan\slex: giant/troll/dragon corpses 14:59 Also, id juggernauts. 14:59 <[Demo][srn]> right yeah freeing themselves 14:59 <[Demo][srn]> im thinking of having all the water in the dungeon generate as lava for salamanders 14:59 <[Demo][srn]> but the problem is it doesnt make flavor sense 15:00 <[Demo][srn]> and this would exlude swamps 15:00 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 37080 points, T:2875, poisoned by a killer bee 15:00 <[Demo][srn]> just islands, rivers, and treasure vaults 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:32436 15:00 go bouquet! 15:01 we need all the medusa kills that we can get! :) 15:06 <[Demo][srn]> play as meduaa 15:06 <[Demo][srn]> and die 15:07 <[Demo][srn]> also getting poison resistance is super easy 15:07 <[Demo][srn]> just play as an orc :P 15:07 heh, in slex it's theoretically possible to polymorph into Medusa, and then make tame additional Medusas by zapping yourself with clone monster :D 15:10 <[Demo][srn]> start scum? 15:10 <[Demo][srn]> wizard/dop with clone monster and polymorph control 15:11 <[Demo][srn]> how many medusas are we talking? 15:11 <@rikersan\srn> you need the special race for medusa tho 15:11 <@escargott'em> I have three artifacts, so does that mean wishing for another artifact is likely to fail? 15:11 Fairly likely 15:11 nah, she's not a valid polymorph form; only with the polyform technique or similar uncontrollable means it's theoretically possible 15:12 <[Demo][srn]> damn 15:12 and then it's one Medusa per clone monster charge if you zap yourself 15:12 <[Demo][srn]> any way to make her act like a pudding? 15:12 <[Demo][srn]> or does slex not do actually interesting monster altercations? 15:13 there's the multiplicator egotype 15:13 <[Demo][srn]> whoa 15:13 <@escargott'em> Is sun sword worth two weaponing with Excalibur? Once my ac isn't awful 15:13 <[Demo][srn]> any way to assile monsters in such a way they gain random egotypes? 15:13 yes, zap them with the wand/spell of mutation 15:13 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 15:14 <[Demo][srn]> so we could medusa farm? 15:14 IIRC you can only get one junethack-relevant medusa kill per game 15:14 <[Demo][srn]> ahh yeah 15:14 after all, turn undead exists in vanilla and one could zap her corpse with it ;) 15:14 <[Demo][srn]> otherwise you could just unstatue and restature 15:14 <[Demo][srn]> yeah 15:14 or stone to flesh when stoning her 15:14 <[Demo][srn]> that too 15:14 <@escargott'em> Tone noooooo 15:14 <@rikersan\srn> RIP rone 15:14 <[Demo][srn]> that was a victory dig 15:14 <@escargott'em> We already have shark 15:14 <@rikersan\srn> you can't 2wep 2 artifacts @escargott'em 15:15 <@rikersan\srn> so it's a moot point 15:15 <[Demo][srn]> u can in grunt which is part of what makes it less bad 15:15 <[Demo][srn]> i was not expecting that from grunt 15:15 <@rikersan\srn> i personally like sunsword better than excalibur but it's up to you 15:15 <[Demo][srn]> excalibur does more dmg and gives lvl drain? 15:15 <[Demo][srn]> (res) 15:15 <@rikersan\srn> yes 15:15 <@escargott'em> Isn't sun sword only good for light and undead? 15:16 <@rikersan\srn> yes 15:16 <@rikersan\srn> I still like it bettert 15:16 <@rikersan\srn> it's blindness protection, 2x damage to undead, birhgt light arti 15:16 <@rikersan\srn> obtw demo did you get my spearpoint bug thingy 15:16 <[Demo][srn]> no 15:16 <[Demo][srn]> what 15:16 <@rikersan\srn> ah 15:16 <@escargott'em> That double dagger throw is nice 15:17 <[Demo][srn]> oh thats not a bug 15:17 <@rikersan\srn> > [3:48 PM] rikersan\srn: !tell Demo 2 bugs. 1, you can ID spearpoints by putting them on (it shows the type when it's actually on the spear, not in inventory tho). 2, you will un-id the spear point when you put it on. try ID'ing 2, placing 1 on, and then swapping ot for the other. 15:17 <@rikersan\srn> the latter is def a bug 15:17 <@rikersan\srn> the first is a bug: either it shouldn't show when on, or it should retain the ID when removed 15:17 <@rikersan\srn> I think it's the same as the 2nd bug though, with un-ID'ing the thingy 15:18 <[Demo][srn]> its sort of like scritch scratch on the ground 15:18 <[Demo][srn]> but no that is intended behavior 15:18 <@rikersan\srn> even the auto un-IDing? :p 15:18 <@rikersan\srn> but that's retarded fix it 15:18 <[Demo][srn]> yeah i probably ought to 15:18 <[Demo][srn]> i got so used to it i kind of forgot it was an issue 15:20 <[Demo][srn]> i guess ill make buc known of a removed spear point 15:20 <[Demo][srn]> because it is always uncursed 15:20 <[Demo][srn]> I guess i could check if you actually know what the point is 15:21 <[Demo][srn]> but when you engrave with a hard gem its the same concept sort of 15:21 <[Demo][srn]> in that you know its a gem but only informally 15:21 <@rikersan\srn> demo: also, is putting on a loadstone point supposed to curse it? 15:21 <@rikersan\srn> (the point) 15:21 <@rikersan\srn> and how much does one weigh? standard loadstone weight? 15:22 <[Demo][srn]> good question 15:22 <[Demo][srn]> would have to check the commits 15:22 <[Demo][srn]> i think it weighs less when you chip it down to spearpoint size 15:22 <[Demo][srn]> and that weight is added to spear when attached 15:22 <[Demo][srn]> and you can only put on an uncursed one 15:23 <@rikersan\srn> ok 15:24 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:48641 15:24 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 15:24 <[Demo][srn]> otherwise the stone sticks to you and refuses or somehting 15:25 -!- Tariru_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:31 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 15:34 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Ran Elf Mal Cha) stole 6 zorkmids of merchandise from the general store of Angmagssalik on T:8739 15:34 ^heist of the century, there 15:35 <[Demo][srn]> wow 15:35 <[Demo][srn]> a - a +1 red point dwarvish spear 15:36 <[Demo][srn]> ok riker pushed fix. not sure if its stable i think it is? 15:36 <[Demo][srn]> but i thought it was stable when i pushed last night and it turns out it wasnt but oh well 15:36 <[Demo][srn]> i should probably do something similar for vapes 15:37 <@rikersan\srn> what exactly did you change? 15:37 <@rikersan\srn> now it no longer IDs? 15:37 <@rikersan\srn> er, un-IDs 15:38 <[Demo][srn]> if you dont know what the gem type is that is attached it doesnt just tell you 15:38 <[Demo][srn]> id is a dumb term theres two types of ids 15:38 <@rikersan\srn> no don't do that 15:38 <@rikersan\srn> I liked tha 15:38 <[Demo][srn]> knowing the general object type and knowing the details of a specific object 15:38 <@rikersan\srn> damnit demo 15:38 <[Demo][srn]> too bad it was too strong 15:38 <[Demo][srn]> lol 15:38 <@rikersan\srn> no fuck it 15:38 <@rikersan\srn> I'm reverting 15:39 <[Demo][srn]> lmao 15:39 <@rikersan\srn> screw this 15:39 <[Demo][srn]> you can tell what it does when u hit shit i think 15:39 <@rikersan\srn> not all of htem 15:39 <@rikersan\srn> some, like chrysoberyl are easy 15:39 <@rikersan\srn> but things like black opal? nahh 15:39 <[Demo][srn]> well its black 15:39 <@rikersan\srn> I had a +7 black opal point silver spear man 15:40 <@rikersan\srn> TIL you can get somebody's email from a git log tha'ts not sketchy at all 15:40 <[Demo][srn]> wait you can knap black opal? 15:40 <@rikersan\srn> yep 15:40 <@rikersan\srn> opal gives you reflection according to your thing, I had a black opal 15:40 <[Demo][srn]> whats black opal do? 15:40 <@rikersan\srn> I think it's reflection as well I didn't test it tho 15:40 <@rikersan\srn> anyway demo why do you have a yahoo email why not google or smth 15:40 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:41 <[Demo][srn]> thats what i use for shit i dont care about 15:41 <@rikersan\srn> ah 15:41 <@rikersan\srn> is that your real name 15:41 <@rikersan\srn> or a fake one 15:41 <[Demo][srn]> it is not 15:41 <[Demo][srn]> but it would make for a good name 15:41 <@rikersan\srn> yea 15:41 <[Demo][srn]> if i had to pick my own name instead of having the benefit of having someone else decide id go for that 15:42 <[Demo][srn]> it would be really annoying to need to pick your own name 15:42 <@rikersan\srn> > it's too hard to break 15:42 <@rikersan\srn> what 15:42 <[Demo][srn]> yeah how did you get a black opal spear 15:42 <@rikersan\srn> oh 15:42 <@rikersan\srn> apparently it's not too hard 15:42 <@rikersan\srn> but rubies are 15:42 <@rikersan\srn> huh 15:42 <@rikersan\srn> idr man 15:42 <@rikersan\srn> I can find the dumplog maybe 15:42 <[Demo][srn]> are you sure it was black opal? 15:43 <@rikersan\srn> > a - a blessed +4 black opal point silver spear 15:43 <[Demo][srn]> i have a theory 15:43 <[Demo][srn]> the gem generation code is probably super ghetto 15:43 <[Demo][srn]> wait no that doesnt make sense 15:43 <@rikersan\srn> https://gist.github.com/RikerW/be076f56699221c5dbc49d03fa1eceba 15:43 <[Demo][srn]> i think it checks objects[] 15:43 <@rikersan\srn> no clue 15:43 <[Demo][srn]> let me check code 15:44 <[Demo][srn]> wth 15:44 <[Demo][srn]> if(obj->otyp == ROCK || objects[obj->otyp].oc_tough || obj->oartifact) pline("It's too hard to break!"); 15:44 <@rikersan\srn> ok for what it's worth demo you can still attach cursed loadstone points 15:44 rikersan\srn: could you perhaps stuff the upper main dungeon in nh343 on hdf-eu with a couple wizard bones files? ;) 15:44 <@rikersan\srn> uh no 15:44 <@rikersan\srn> only on us 15:44 <@rikersan\srn> I"m not dealing with stupid freaking lag 15:44 <[Demo][srn]> yeah you can't knap cursed loadstones 15:45 <@rikersan\srn> you can put on cursed loadstone points tho 15:45 <[Demo][srn]> yeah 15:45 <@rikersan\srn> and knapping will curse the point 15:45 actually, the bones pools are shared I think? so if you die a couple of times on hdf-us, I should be able to get your bones :) 15:45 <@rikersan\srn> ah 15:45 <[Demo][srn]> ah yeah i think i meant to fix that 15:45 <@rikersan\srn> wiz? 15:45 yes, doesn't matter what the random starting stuff is, I just want the comr ;) 15:45 <@rikersan\srn> ooh this one has +oidentify 15:46 <[Demo][srn]> im still not sure how that point was knapped 15:47 <@rikersan\srn> neither am I mate 15:47 <@rikersan\srn> I don't remember doing anything weird 15:47 <@rikersan\srn> i used a plain starting rock 15:47 <@rikersan\srn> and I knapped hte black gem 15:49 ooh large armor shop on dlvl7 15:49 <[Demo][srn]> im not sure how gem generation works 15:49 maybe he has jumping or waterwalking for sale 15:50 <@rikersan\srn> alright amy I'm on dlvl 8 15:50 <@rikersan\srn> I'm gonna suicide :p don't enter lvl 8 without me 15:50 <@rikersan\srn> I have spbs of force bolt, ID, and lev 15:50 yes :) 15:51 <@rikersan\srn> ring of tele and pois, amulet of ESP and restful sleep (that I'll die with) 15:51 <@rikersan\srn> comr and cop 15:51 can you drop everything before you die, so the stuff doesn't get cursed? ;) 15:51 <@rikersan\srn> alreayd did 15:51 <@rikersan\srn> carrying the restfull sleep tho to distinguish it 15:52 ok cool :) 15:52 <@rikersan\srn> oh shoot watch out for these orcs 15:52 <@rikersan\srn> they have pois arrows 15:52 [hdf-us] [nh343] rikerw (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2850 points, T:1698, killed by an orcish arrow 15:52 okay 15:52 <@rikersan\srn> there's like 6 of htem, stuff is in the right hand room from teh stair 15:52 of course it's not guaranteed that I actually get the bones level 15:52 <@rikersan\srn> wlel yeah 15:53 <@rikersan\srn> but if you do it enough times you'll get it 15:53 <@rikersan\srn> you can startscum samurai :p 15:53 entered dlvl8; upstair in the southeast, is that it? 15:53 <@rikersan\srn> nope, top right 15:53 ah 15:53 <@rikersan\srn> wait, try again 15:53 <@rikersan\srn> yeah not it 15:56 <@rikersan\srn> anyway demo did you fix the un-ID bug 15:56 <@rikersan\srn> where it loses BUC when you take it on/off 15:57 <[Demo][srn]> not a bug 15:57 <[Demo][srn]> lol 15:57 <@rikersan\srn> .... that's retarded 15:57 <[Demo][srn]> yes 15:57 <[Demo][srn]> the thing is it isnt preserved 15:57 <[Demo][srn]> the gems are stored in ovar1 15:58 <[Demo][srn]> only the otyp is stored 15:58 <@rikersan\srn> that's dumb but ok 15:58 <[Demo][srn]> why not use cobj and treat it as a container? stacking. 15:58 <[Demo][srn]> then it wont stack and then you can't multishot 15:58 <@rikersan\srn> again dumb but ok 15:59 <[Demo][srn]> also buc of gems doesnt really matter except for luckstones 15:59 <[Demo][srn]> which is something i might want to deal with hmm 16:00 <[Demo][srn]> i could make the gem take on the BUC of the spear 16:01 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 16:04 -!- MisteryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:04 -!- MisteryMyra has joined #hardfought 16:06 <[Demo][srn]> ok yeah did that and pushed it so it makes some degree more of sense 16:06 <[Demo][srn]> also a good way for cavemen to bless their luckstone now 16:06 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:13 -!- oh6 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:14 man I had gotten so close :( 16:14 can't believe the lack of food killed this attempt... 16:15 <[Demo][srn]> damn was that an asmo lvl ghost? 16:15 nah, valley 16:20 !tell AntiGulp TIL there are hallucinatory gods. 16:20 Will do, aosdict\ito! 16:22 apparently even the game itself is sad about the fact that I'm not being successful: http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1529698909301.png 16:22 <[Demo][srn]> :( 16:31 oh man how the hell are you supposed to do this 16:32 <[Demo][srn]> luck 16:44 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:01 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Val Hum Fem Neu) defeated Medusa, on T:22131 17:04 congrats [Demo][srn] on your grunthack asc 17:04 <[Demo][srn]> thanks 17:05 <[Demo][srn]> what do elder minotaurs do? 17:05 elder minotaurs are tougher than regular minotaurs, but in 0.2.4 (not on the server yet) they will be muchmore of a challenge than the current iteration 17:05 <[Demo][srn]> ok one came out while i was fighting demo 17:05 <[Demo][srn]> so i blew it to bits with detonation yumi 17:05 they only spawn in gehennom 17:06 <[Demo][srn]> yeah i only saw one 17:06 and are rare 17:06 <[Demo][srn]> hey thanks for making them a distinct color 17:06 <[Demo][srn]> so that i knew to stop and be like uh oh whats that 17:06 yup ;) 17:06 <[Demo][srn]> instead of making them look like dwarf lords 17:06 they hit hard 17:06 really hard in 0.2.4 17:06 <[Demo][srn]> how hard? 17:06 and can grab you like an owlbear 17:06 <[Demo][srn]> yikes 17:07 a tad bit slower than a regular minotaur though 17:07 <[Demo][srn]> so basically a you must ranged attack this type of deal 17:07 recommended yeah 17:08 in 0.2.3 they're not so bad if you have an uber AC like most players get by the time you start seeing them 17:08 in 0.2.4 you should proceed against them with a bit more caution 17:08 I saw a few elder minotaurs in my grunt game, they seemed to be even more of a pushover than regular ones 17:09 aosdict\ito yeah i gave them a buff for 0.2.4 17:09 <[Demo][srn]> why is conflict so buffedi n gh? 17:09 <[Demo][srn]> also why are dragon zombies so useful? 17:09 conflict buffed? there were no changes to it afaik 17:09 <[Demo][srn]> dragons burp 17:09 yes 17:09 they can engulf 17:09 <[Demo][srn]> that makes conflict much stronger 17:10 <[Demo][srn]> because another instakill monster 17:10 so that's an indirect 17:10 <[Demo][srn]> yeah 17:10 ok i gotta go, bbl 17:10 <[Demo][srn]> bye 17:10 grats again, thats awesome 17:11 <@escargott'em> What resistances and stuff do I need for vanilla valk quest? I been lucky with full heals and wraiths so my hps are almost 200 and level 14.. My ac isn't great though, I think -6 17:11 @escargott'em what variant 17:11 oh vanilla 17:11 Resistance to accidentally walking into lava or drawbridge accidents. 17:12 then I would say levitation because I'm a paranoid wreck 17:12 Don't have burnable/boilable stuff in open inventory. 17:12 Have fire resistance, which you should be able to grab on quest home 17:13 <@escargott'em> Sounds scary, what do people normally do after soko and mines, before quest? 17:13 Also if indefinitely patient you can get Str 18/** by giant munching 17:13 None of it is remotely scary especially since Lord Surtur is a bad joke as Quest Nemeses go. 17:13 I generally just go to the quest, if possible. 17:13 <@escargott'em> Do most people reach castle before doing quest? 17:13 <@escargott'em> The only thing mentioned is I lack levitation 17:14 <@rikersan\srn> depends 17:14 What I am getting at is that the perils of the Valkyrie Quest pertain almost exclusively to making movement typos. 17:14 <@rikersan\srn> in vanilla, yes 17:14 <@rikersan\srn> since people have problems hitting xplvl 14 17:14 <@escargott'em> Thanks guys, I'll look into doing quest next 17:14 Even if you don't want to actually _do_ the quest right now, you should go get permission from the Norn. 17:15 reflection is also useful since giants may have wands 17:15 This will protect you against getting rejected for an alignment change or getting level drained in the meantime. 17:16 re levitation, have it or water walking or don't walk on ice until you are reasonably sure some joker isn't out there with a wand of fire 17:21 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 17:25 AmyBSOD\srn: whoops 17:25 whoops? 17:25 what happened? 17:25 killed by a bolt of cold ? 17:25 well, someone on the valley of the dead had a wand 17:26 ... or is this unique death collecting? 17:26 nah I'm trying to get to Asmodeus as quickly as I can 17:26 trying and failing, that is 17:44 <@rikersan\srn> demo: you here? 17:44 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 294 points, T:3253, killed by a large dog called Dog 17:45 <@rikersan\srn> is demo here 17:45 theoretically yes 17:45 [Demo][srn]: you're being pinged 17:45 <[Demo][srn]> yeah yeah 17:46 <[Demo][srn]> im overloading 17:46 <[Demo][srn]> "Your hands begin to glow red. Your hands begin to glow red even more. Your hands begin to glow red even more." 17:47 oh well, I can't get a fast asmodeus death, guys :( 17:48 <@rikersan\srn> RIP 17:48 <@rikersan\srn> demo: ok what vapes have effects? 17:48 <[Demo][srn]> well you've done better than me 17:48 <@rikersan\srn> gain ability and object det seem useless 17:48 <[Demo][srn]> that's a good question 17:48 <@rikersan\srn> also, does jade (stinking cloud) points come with pois resis? 17:48 <@rikersan\srn> LOL 17:48 <[Demo][srn]> its just potion effects on vapor 17:48 <@rikersan\srn> it's not 17:49 <[Demo][srn]> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Vapors 17:49 <@rikersan\srn> oh 17:49 <@rikersan\srn> I see 17:49 <[Demo][srn]> uh hmm jade should 17:49 <@rikersan\srn> ok I get restore ability lol 17:49 <[Demo][srn]> but doesnt 17:49 <@rikersan\srn> >_> 17:49 -!- AmyBSOD\srn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:49 <[Demo][srn]> see in my mind it was like wow that's strong that's a good deal 17:49 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided master mind flayers dungeon wide on T:52328 17:49 <[Demo][srn]> you don't deserve something so strong as to also give you poison resistance 17:49 <[Demo][srn]> think of like mjollnir 17:50 <@rikersan\srn> true 17:50 <[Demo][srn]> but nah i can slap it on real easy and i think i will cause having just played grunt, holy shit, poison clouds are annoying 17:50 <[Demo][srn]> and they are a lot more if you aren't resistant 17:50 <@rikersan\srn> what's orange and too hard to break? 17:50 <[Demo][srn]> jacinth? 17:50 [Demo][srn]: "Your hands begin to shine with the crimson luminescence of Betelgeuse. Your hands have surpassed all mortal comprehension of red. Your hands epitomize the very essence of red." 17:51 <[Demo][srn]> lol 17:52 <@rikersan\srn> aosdict: it's showtime! 17:53 "You pass out from lack of blood flow to your brain. You die..." 17:54 <[Demo][srn]> your hands pop 17:55 <[Demo][srn]> ok gave jade spears poison res cause poison res is the weakest res in ndh 17:55 <[Demo][srn]> or like the easiest to have 17:55 <[Demo][srn]> the only one that lasts forever from corpses 17:56 <@rikersan\srn> why am I invis 17:56 <@rikersan\srn> I don't remember this 17:57 did you quaff-test potions? 17:58 <@rikersan\srn> not that I remember 17:58 <@rikersan\srn> huh, I have it ID'd 17:58 <@rikersan\srn> must have done that a while ago 17:58 <@rikersan\srn> yay, now i get to find a mummy wrapping 18:01 <@rikersan\srn> alright demo all good, got pois resis, now I can use my jade spear 18:01 <@rikersan\srn> I'm alternating between this dwarven jade one and my starting rusty +3 opal one 18:03 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided arch-liches dungeon wide on T:53091 18:06 <@rikersan\srn> demo 18:06 <@rikersan\srn> why the fuck are there gas spores instead of soko boulders 18:07 <@rikersan\srn> this is one of the dumbest chnages I've ever seen 18:07 <@rikersan\srn> I'm fully in support 18:07 <[Demo][srn]> its lokoban 18:07 <[Demo][srn]> you don't like fun chained explosions? 18:07 <@rikersan\srn> and... fire traps + ice? 18:07 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 18:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6] by ChanServ 18:07 <[Demo][srn]> hope you brought acid resistance or are willing to wait it out 18:08 <[Demo][srn]> yeah that one is bullshit 18:08 <[Demo][srn]> you can put out the traps with potions of water 18:08 <[Demo][srn]> with 100% success 18:08 <[Demo][srn]> and then they'll leave oil which you can dilute to more water 18:08 <@rikersan\srn> no I passed the spores super easy 18:08 <@rikersan\srn> oh nice 18:10 <[Demo][srn]> its best unspoiled sort of 18:13 <@rikersan\srn> shoot 18:14 <@rikersan\srn> magic missile while digging :/ 18:16 <[Demo][srn]> damn 18:19 <@rikersan\srn> i just got it up to +5 too 18:20 <[Demo][srn]> at least enchant weapon works 18:24 -!- MisteryMyra is now known as MiseryMyra 18:42 [hdf-us] [dyn] Wheel of Fortune (Luxidream) (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 21604 points, T:10587, killed by a bolt of fire 18:42 <@rikersan\srn> demo: you should probably adjust wishing for spears to allow up to 5 or so 18:42 <[Demo][srn]> for stacks? 18:42 <[Demo][srn]> do daggers get the same? 18:42 <@rikersan\srn> oh, same as daggers 18:43 <@rikersan\srn> TIL you can't wish for daggers in stacks 18:43 <@rikersan\srn> apparently you can wish for up to 20 boomerangs tho 18:43 <@rikersan\srn> go figure 18:43 <[Demo][srn]> may look into that 18:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 7350 points, T:2486, killed by a blue jelly 18:46 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 28 points, T:93, killed by a system shock 18:47 <@rikersan\srn> holy crap I just noticed: annulus as chakram and expert attack spells makes force bolt deal 23d12? 18:47 <@rikersan\srn> before resistance 18:47 <[Demo][srn]> yeah but you cant hit anything with less than -8 ac 18:47 <[Demo][srn]> like theres a 0% chance 18:47 <@rikersan\srn> oh 18:47 <@rikersan\srn> damn 18:47 <@rikersan\srn> !tell Chris_ANG please make force bolt hit things better 18:47 Will do, @rikersan\srn! 18:50 <[Demo][srn]> 93d12 is the max for the current version on hdf 18:50 <[Demo][srn]> also he already did that 18:50 <@rikersan\srn> lol 18:50 <[Demo][srn]> if you keep up with 3.16.2 commits i think its in there 18:50 <@rikersan\srn> so? 18:50 <@rikersan\srn> oh 18:50 <[Demo][srn]> im not sure what the numbers are in 3.15.1 but i know they arent brokenly high 18:51 <@rikersan\srn> > Summon monster spells don't work in the Ana quest 18:51 <@rikersan\srn> hell yeah 18:51 <[Demo][srn]> why is that a thing? 18:52 <@rikersan\srn> it make it a lot easier to deal with elder brains 18:52 <[Demo][srn]> ahh yeahh 18:53 Starting next version skill will slightly improve force-bolt to-hit. 18:53 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan\srn at 2018-06-22 18:47 EDT: please make force bolt hit things better 18:53 <@rikersan\srn> chris_ang: I just checked the code, maybe replace that 2* with a 4* >.> 18:53 Not by a whole lot, though. Like +2 per skill level or something. 18:53 <@rikersan\srn> yep 18:53 :P 18:53 <@rikersan\srn> also, did you fix the mount bug? 18:53 Yeah 18:54 <[Demo][srn]> mount bug? 18:54 <@rikersan\srn> you fixed it demo, mounts have weird carrycaps 18:54 The weight thing, I assume. 18:54 <@rikersan\srn> yep 18:54 <[Demo][srn]> ah yeah 18:55 It will now correctly substitute the mount's size for yours in the carry cap calculation, 18:55 and include the weight of the mount's inventory in the calculation. 18:55 <[Demo][srn]> oh neat 18:55 (That last bit is not pushed yet) 18:56 <[Demo][srn]> ah 18:56 (It's just a for loop through the mount's inventory chain, adding the owt of each item to your total inventory weight) 19:02 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:08 <@Tone\ootc> You are blasted by the Master Key of Thievery's power! 19:08 <@Tone\ootc> Your knapsack cannot accommodate any more items. 19:09 <@Tone\ootc> It's still on the ground and I don't have enough health to pick it up anymore 😩 19:09 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 19:10 <@rikersan\srn> lol 19:12 Junethack: Rschaff ascended a game of NetHack 3.6.1 on nethack.alt.org! 19:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 4857 points, T:986, killed by a gnome lord 19:37 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 494 points, T:2822, killed by a coyote, while frozen by a monster's gaze 19:39 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:133, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 19:42 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 13 points, T:62, killed by a bolt of cold 19:49 <[Demo][srn]> oh rats i broke the lights 19:49 <@rikersan\srn> kek 19:49 <[Demo][srn]> A lit field surrounds you! Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted. 20:00 <@rikersan\srn> RIP 20:00 <@Tone\ootc> so happy that game is over 20:02 <@rikersan\srn> why? 20:09 <@Tone\ootc> It was a speed run that was going kind of well but I sort of hit a wall 20:09 <@rikersan\srn> ah 20:09 <@rikersan\srn> did you mean to die? 20:09 <@Tone\ootc> No but I was playing kind of carelessly at that point 20:09 <@rikersan\srn> ah 20:09 <@Tone\ootc> I had 7 str so I couldn't carry anything 20:09 <@Tone\ootc> no scrolls to write what I wanted to write 20:10 <@Tone\ootc> I dipped my only spare cursed scroll in a fountain to blank it and it uncursed it 20:10 <@Tone\ootc> I had to gain levels for the quest still 20:10 <@Tone\ootc> the unicorn I wanted to get luck from disappeared somewhere 20:10 <@Tone\ootc> I just didn't really have many options to move forward 20:10 <@Tone\ootc> The strength thing was really annoying too 20:50 -!- Tariru has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:01 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 804 points, T:4381, killed by a giant bat 21:08 -!- zjmc_ has joined #hardfought 21:11 -!- Schrubber1 has joined #hardfought 21:11 -!- Schrubber has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:16 -!- deadnoob has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 21:18 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 21:23 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:26 -!- Blastin_in has joined #hardfought 21:34 -!- sata123 has joined #hardfought 21:36 -!- sata123 has left #hardfought 21:43 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:47 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 21:50 -!- elenmirie\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:51 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie\splat 21:55 [hdf-us] [nh4] ProzacElf (prozacelf) (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 32010 points, T:2790, killed by a dog 21:55 noooo 21:56 -!- Blastin_in has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Ana Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:57, killed by a goblin, while frozen by a potion 21:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Ana Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:85, killed by a system shock 22:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Ana Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:152, killed by a system shock 22:03 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 22:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Ana Dro Fem Cha), 24 points, T:15, killed by touching Grimtooth 22:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Ana Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1035 22:17 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 1423 points, T:2171, imp 22:34 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 22:37 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:38 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rustmonster (Pri Mal), 446 points, T:1201, orc 22:39 [hdf-us] [nh343] rikerw (Arc Hum Mal Law), 344 points, T:174, killed by a coyote 22:41 [hdf-us] [nh343] rikerw (Arc Hum Mal Law), 436 points, T:253, killed by a jackal 22:46 <@rikersan\srn> what's teh fh explore key again 22:49 [hdf-us] [fh] dig for asmo (rikerw) (Arc Hum Mal Law), 28488 points, T:921, killed by a Ms. Matagami, the shopkeeper's wand 22:58 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 22:59 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 678 points, T:2345, killed by a straw golem 23:00 hi 23:00 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 23:02 <[Demo][srn]> why are fpses so hard 23:02 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:02 <@rikersan\srn> reasons 23:04 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 23:06 -!- Menche__ has joined #hardfought 23:07 <@IceBox> it's V @rikersan\srn 23:07 <@IceBox> well lower case, haha 23:08 -!- Menche_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:10 [hdf-us] [spl] cobaltnine (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 418 points, T:1471, killed by a gnome lord, while fainted from lack of food 23:13 -!- Menche__ is now known as Menche 23:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 7122 points, T:2018, killed by a boulder 23:21 Junethack: New user Ana registered! https://junethack.net/user/Ana 23:25 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:45048 23:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:45053 23:37 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 23:41 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:45920 23:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46269 23:47 [hdf-us] [dyn] Hoppet (hoppet) (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 294 points, T:1883, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted dingo 23:49 <@escargott'em> !time 23:49 @escargott'em: Fri Jun 22 23:49:58 2018 EDT 23:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] Ana (Ana Hum Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1132 23:59 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:47473 23:59 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47474