00:01 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:12163 00:02 <@lapis/ootc> okay, this whole "water tile is a valid teleport location for characters with unbreathing" is getting really annoying 00:03 <[Demo][srn]> is that a thing? 00:03 <[Demo][srn]> like random teleport? 00:03 <[Demo][srn]> fortunately i have a good level for testing that 00:03 <@lapis/ootc> yeah, i got dunked yesterday and murdered a horse from a teleport ring 00:04 <@lapis/ootc> and right now a uranium imp is seriously testing my patience 00:04 <[Demo][srn]> that is absurd 00:06 <@lapis/ootc> it would be fine with flight but i'm incredibly lucky that it hasn't cost me any potions or scrolls yet 00:06 <@lapis/ootc> and of course it counts as you leading a pet into a trap if you're riding it 00:06 <[Demo][srn]> oh man i left gain level on in the void 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh361] Cropper (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:25297 00:15 [hdf-us] [nh361] Cropper (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:25301 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] Cropper (Pri Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:25302 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] Cropper (Pri Elf Fem Cha) genocided class L, on T:25302 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] Cropper (Pri Elf Fem Cha) genocided class R, on T:25304 00:47 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 00:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 00:47 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:47 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 00:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 00:48 [hdf-us] [nh361] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:16213 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3013 points, T:3863, killed by a fire ant, while dressing up 01:11 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 3244 points, T:2104, killed by a dwarf, while reading a book 01:21 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:23 -!- dtype has joined #hardfought 01:34 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 01:37 -!- elenmirie\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:37 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie\splat 01:37 [hdf-us] [4k] shadow (ahrimen) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 5517 points, T:2351, killed by a soldier ant 01:57 -!- dtype has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:19 -!- Pavel\ito has joined #hardfought 02:20 -!- dtype has joined #hardfought 02:21 -!- lynn has joined #hardfought 02:22 -!- lynn has quit [Changing host] 02:22 -!- lynn has joined #hardfought 02:22 -!- lynn is now known as Guest54989 02:38 I hate nymphs 02:40 -!- raisse is now known as raisse\splat 02:47 woop 02:51 aosdict\ito: how do you want to be credited for a code suggestion? 03:08 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 03:12 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:27 Junethack: Achievement "Walk In The Park" unlocked by elenmirie! 03:27 yay! 03:42 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:43 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:43 -!- raisse is now known as raisse\splat 03:45 I had already killed 2 mumakil (unfortunately my altar is in a corner of the room where I can't lug them) when a mastodon turned up 03:46 on dlvl 7! but it turned into a little dog and I fed it tripe, and now I have a cool shapeshifter pet 03:46 let's see how long it lasts until it turns into a freezing sphere and explodes 04:05 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:35 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 04:57 "R - an uncursed tin of white unicorn meat." 04:57 The other white meat 05:00 other other 05:00 It goes well with cockatrice 05:03 zid: cockatrice is much better with dried lizard on the side 05:14 [hdf-us] [nh361] orz (Val Dwa Fem Law), 40 points, T:292, killed by a sewer rat 05:55 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:04 @g?demogorgon 06:04 Demogorgon (&) | Lvl: 106 | Diff: 59 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 95 | Generates: unique | AC: -8 | Attacks: 8d6 cast spell, 1d4 sting level drain, 1d6 claw disease, 1d6 claw disease | Alignment: -20 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, demon, stalker, covetous, infravisible 06:07 no prizes for guessing the strategy used there. 06:17 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:22 Tangles: rod of fire 06:50 -!- Graznop has joined #hardfought 06:53 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 07:39 -!- Tariru_ has joined #hardfought 07:41 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:56 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a lichen, on T:22786 08:02 -!- rektTangles has joined #hardfought 08:03 hi 08:03 Hello rektTangles, Welcome to #hardfought 08:03 !tea 08:03 * Beholder hands rektTangles a tall glass of oolong tea, brewed by NotTheOracle\dnt at 54 degrees Celsius. 08:04 !who 08:04 rektTangles: [hdf-us] Eleven [nh361] dizzylizzy [nh361] 08:04 rektTangles: [hdf-eu] Mandevil [dyn] Raisse [nh343] 08:04 rektTangles: [hdf-au] V38M2Y69T [slex] 08:05 !tell K2 the colourscheme on the web irc client needs work :/ 08:05 Will do, rektTangles! 08:08 sure 08:08 K2: Message from rektTangles at 2018-06-20 08:05 EDT: the colourscheme on the web irc client needs work :/ 08:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] dizzylizzy (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20139 08:16 Hey k2. i'm just at a friend's place having beers and was showing him Beholder. 08:16 \o/ 08:16 !beer rektTangles 08:16 K2: We're not here to f#%k spiders, mate! 08:17 !whiskey k2 08:17 * Beholder throws k2 a tall glass of Johnnie Walker Black whiskey, brewed by Izchak at 296 Kelvin. 08:17 have I ever mentioned how much I hate our AS/400? 08:17 wooot JWB 08:18 AS/400's are awesome. One of the best 1992 had to offer :) 08:18 1992 wants it back 08:18 Actually I have no idea if that date is accurate. 08:18 could prob go back a few more years 08:18 might even be older than nethack :) 08:19 august 1979 08:19 wow... older than my friend here. 08:21 Hey so I was ripping through grunthack with some +7 thirsty silver athame, and it got bullwhipped somewhere. so now I have to find it, or fight through the sanctum with my bare hands. 08:21 !8ball is Tangles going to get completely obliterated and pass out at his friends house? 08:21 K2: Outlook not so good 08:21 heh 08:21 oh crap 08:21 its very possible another monster has picked it up to use 08:22 I think Asmodeus might have it. 08:23 I was going to use the amulet delivery service, but he doesn't teleport in grunt, so I think I'll just have to get the bloody thing myself. 08:23 hrm 08:24 I also fireballed Rodney in his tower, and he woke up and summoned a dozen level 30 freezing spheres, which was just weird, but didn't warp out of his tower. 08:24 yeah that is weird 08:25 no kittens though? 08:27 nah, that's just demogorgon 08:27 I had a wand of create moster that created 90% cats 08:28 Hey so cone of cold from outside the tower is very good against demogorgon 08:31 acid blast does a good job too, but thats a much higher lvl spell 08:37 wiped out all L (there was a purple one in the castle, don't want to take unnecessary risks) 08:37 nice :) 08:39 OH. 08:39 I was crowned 08:39 that explains all these intrinsics 08:45 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 08:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] dizzylizzy (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Set, on T:24953 08:59 !8ball is it true 08:59 FIQ: Outlook not so good 09:00 !8ball is it true that Beholder announces Junethack events 09:00 FIQ: My reply is no 09:00 if you say sop 09:00 *so 09:02 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:04 !8ball is FIQ a rabble-rouser? 09:04 K2: Most likely 09:04 :P 09:08 * FIQ slaps Beholder around a bit with a large FIQ-bot 09:11 my kingdom for a key 09:11 or a lock pick 09:12 you're an american, you don't have a kingdom 09:12 i am a direct line descendant of a 5th century irish king 09:12 where's my key 09:13 that's what your mother only told you to feel special 09:14 actually thats a fact, genetically proven 09:15 in completely unrelated news, myheritage reports 92 million accounts compromised 09:15 heh 09:15 * jonadab is actually a descendant of Henry VIII. 09:15 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niall_of_the_Nine_Hostages 09:15 there's a genetic marker that only 3-4 million males around the globe share, and it's been traced back to that guy 09:16 But it's been a lot of generations, so this fact is neither very surprising nor very meaningful. 09:16 he was very... prolific 09:16 not like ghengis khan prolific, but enough that it made an impact 09:16 K2: Do you have the actual genealogical line, or only the genetic marker? 09:17 you don't know if it was him, or just one of his descendants 09:17 the marker 09:17 dont ruin it! 09:17 :P 09:17 or even one of his predecessors 09:17 Heh. 09:17 now granted, a 5th century high irish king prob still lived in a mud hut 09:17 but everybody else from the predecessors line doesn't have any living descendants 09:18 a larger mud hut than his neighbors probab;y 09:18 yeah, in the 5th century you don't want to have lived in middle or northern europe 09:19 That's around the time the angles and saxons are invading briton 09:19 even southern europe was a stretch. the eastern roman empire was nice at that time, though 09:19 quote "Early in 2006, geneticists at Trinity College, Dublin suggested that Niall may have been the most fecund male in Irish history. Of their Irish sample, the geneticists found that 21 percent of men from north-western Ireland, 8 percent from all of Ireland, a substantial percentage of men from western and central Scotland, and about 2 percent of men from New York bore the same Y-chromosome 09:19 haplotype. The geneticists estimated that about 2–3 million men bear this haplotype, and concluded that these men are patrilineal descendants of Niall" 09:19 <--- me 09:20 bhaak: Honestly, the fifth century wasn't an especially good time to live, overall. 09:20 great granddad liked to boogy 09:20 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21 <[Demo][srn]> does anyone know vanilla behaviors of teleport landing spaces? 09:21 <[Demo][srn]> if you have unbreathing does it make water squares valid locations for it to randomly throw you in? 09:21 it wont put you on water or lava if you cant safely walk on them 09:21 i think so yeah 09:21 breathing != walking, fwiw 09:21 <[Demo][srn]> that sounds incredibly annoying 09:21 <[Demo][srn]> if you get thrown in the water and get your stuff wet 09:21 what about xorns, does it just go "fuck it, x = rand()%80;" 09:22 zid: i would to see in the code where it says 'fuck it' 09:22 *love 09:22 that would be awesome 09:22 Any source code that doesn't have swearing in it is dishonest 09:23 heh 09:23 <[Demo][srn]> wow ndnh doesn't add any extra fucks 09:24 <[Demo][srn]> i am somehow very impressed 09:24 another cool command in the code would be 'and then a miracle occurs' 09:27 <[Demo][srn]> oh my god this is so annoying 09:27 <[Demo][srn]> its real 09:30 jonadab: if you fall into a time vortex, you can't choose when you appear. although the guy in "lest darkness fall" didn't do so bad in the 6th century in italy 09:31 -!- rektTangles has quit [Quit: *poof*] 09:33 <[Demo][srn]> uh what the hell 09:33 <[Demo][srn]> return !!(HLevitation || Flying || Wwalking || Swimming || Amphibious); 09:33 <[Demo][srn]> isn't that the same as without the !!? 09:34 no 09:34 !! is 'tobool' 09:34 42 -> 0 -> 1 09:34 <[Demo][srn]> thanks 09:35 0 -> 1 -> 0 09:35 <[Demo][srn]> hmm it seems teleportation won't randomly land you over lava if you are flying 09:35 that's a standard trick in C to ensure the result is 0 or 1 09:35 <[Demo][srn]> only if you are levitating 09:36 <[Demo][srn]> i've now seen it used nowhere but the teleport code 09:39 <[Demo][srn]> oh i see the problem 09:39 is it that your head fell off 09:40 I keep having that one irl 09:40 <[Demo][srn]> i think that goodpos might be used for both uncontrolled and controlled teleports 09:40 zid: but isn't that a bool as-is 09:40 with the || chain 09:41 FIQ: yea, so it's technically not needed I guess 09:41 optimizer /should/ notice that but I've seen stranger things 09:41 [Demo][srn]: teleport code? 09:41 you mean goodpos, no? 09:41 which isn't just for teleport code 09:41 <[Demo][srn]> placing you randomly 09:41 <[Demo][srn]> on the level yeah 09:41 and monster generation 09:41 <[Demo][srn]> oh 09:42 <[Demo][srn]> cool, good to know 09:42 I found this out the hard way 09:42 do not try to treat the monst parameter in goodpos as an actual monst 09:42 it will only bring misery 09:42 <[Demo][srn]> good to know 09:42 is that the weird bug from before? 09:42 on monster gen, only the data field is valid 09:42 otherwise the monst is uninitialized 09:43 <[Demo][srn]> i found an unidentified uncursed amulet that is dangerous 09:43 leading to crashes if you try to handle it as a monst 09:43 this is the most stupid thing ever 09:43 <[Demo][srn]> yikes 09:43 but when was NetHack code not stupid 09:43 <[Demo][srn]> you know what's stupider? 09:43 my face 09:43 !8ball is the goodpos code stupid 09:43 FIQ: Without a doubt 09:43 <[Demo][srn]> if you go around wearing an unided amulet and it is magical breathing and a quantum mechanic hits you or something and there's water on the level you could get all your shit soaked 09:44 [Demo][srn]: yes, I am aware of this 09:44 <[Demo][srn]> why is this a thing 09:47 ask DT 09:47 <[Demo][srn]> ok i might do a teleok and controlledteleok split 09:47 <[Demo][srn]> and then make some fork of goodpos for controlled tele only 09:55 bhaak: "aosdict" or "aos" is fine 09:56 great 09:58 <[Demo][srn]> ok time to see how hard i butchered the split 09:59 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 09:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 10:02 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 10:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 10:02 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:10 -!- Tariru_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:11 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 10:13 <[Demo][srn]> this was a smart split 10:13 <[Demo][srn]> especially in dnh where you could get tossed into lethe water 10:13 <[Demo][srn]> and that would really suck 10:14 <[Demo][srn]> now you will only randomly land on water with levitation, ww or flying but if you choose to and you have one of those 3 or swimming or magical breathing then you can 10:21 K2: unnethack update with lots of goodies 10:27 ok 10:27 i havent done the last one yet, the 'make amy stop complaining' patch 10:31 [hdf-us] [nh361] IceBox (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:6970 10:37 <[Demo][srn]> thats impossible 10:38 she said, she wouldn't complain again 10:38 for at least a year 10:38 because she would only play again at next junethack :-} 10:39 <[Demo][srn]> thats a low turn count 10:39 <[Demo][srn]> wow 10:40 bhaak: do not underestimate Amy. she will find something to complain about to you much earlier than next junethack 10:40 ;) 10:40 <[Demo][srn]> Cavemen are like babylonian, right? 10:40 but yeah i'll do updates later today 10:40 K2: I also suspect she might play again because of trophies 10:41 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:48 i'll update unnethack in july 10:49 update it in october 10:55 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:57 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 10:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 10:58 where went the good old times when admins did as they were told and wrote bofh stories to went their frustration? 10:59 *vent 10:59 y-you mean... the bofh stories are made up? 10:59 my life is a lie 11:00 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 11:05 [hdf-us] [un] orz (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1547 points, T:940, killed by a giant spider 11:06 ;) 11:11 <[Demo][srn]> there are so many reasons chris made the valley brain dead, jesus 11:12 <[Demo][srn]> doesn't need to special case dread of dantalion, can't have monsters levelporting into hell with the keys 11:24 <[Demo][srn]> whoa, dnh arcs can get a pistol and some bullets 11:29 K2: amy does not just simply *not* complain 11:29 it's second nature 11:29 i sense a meme about to be born... 11:30 <[Demo][srn]> what are the ways for monsters to Z move? 11:31 <[Demo][srn]> c!ogl, c/c?ot and holes/trap doors, right? 11:31 <[Demo][srn]> oh ^ of level tele 11:32 and portals 11:32 which is treated as level teleportation for monsters more or less 11:32 and trap doors/holes 11:33 FIQ: seeing this in fourk, wondering if nh4/fiqhack has the same - #define LVL(lvl,str,mov,ac,mr,aln) 11:33 what is str exactly? 11:33 nh3 doesnt have a sixth value 11:35 -!- AmyBSOD\srn has joined #hardfought 11:45 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:48 only 4k has this 11:48 it's difficulty 11:48 in 4k, this is by hand 11:48 <[Demo][srn]> oh wait i forgot about stairs 11:49 in other variants, it's generated 11:49 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 11:49 [Demo][srn]: everything eventually comes down to migrate_to 11:49 migrate_to_level 11:49 <[Demo][srn]> is that in mon.c? 11:49 dog.c in fh 11:49 so it's probably dog.c everywhere 11:49 because I sure wouldn't place it there 11:50 <[Demo][srn]> right yeah lol 11:51 holy crap barbarian quest filler level is just wide open nothingness 11:51 how awful 11:52 @g?archon 11:52 Archon (A) | Lvl: 19 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 80 | Generates: dungeons | AC: -6 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 2d6 gaze blind, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast spell | Alignment: 15 | Flags: flies, regenerates, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravisible 11:52 everything resistant :/ 11:53 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:53 <[Demo][srn]> not acid :P 11:55 not acid 11:55 I am a slowpoke 11:55 Tangles: acid blast is useful 11:56 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 7494 points, T:6279, killed by an owlbear, while unconscious from rotten food 11:57 <[Demo][srn]> what the hell is a psionaut 11:59 [hdf-us] [nh361] dizzylizzy (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:28016 11:59 [hdf-us] [nh361] dizzylizzy (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28033 12:04 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:12 search is worthless on github 12:12 bleh 12:14 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 12:20 Tangles, nor is it resistant to rubber chickens 12:20 :D 12:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] dizzylizzy (Bar Orc Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:29262 12:21 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 12:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6] by ChanServ 12:21 K2: str here is monstr, i.e., difficulty 12:21 In vanilla, it's generated by makedefs. 12:21 What a wonderful name 12:21 ikr 12:22 i see 12:22 so you can set the overall difficulty yourself 12:24 so we were looking at blood puddings 12:25 G_NOGEN means they shouldnt spawn at all unless a special condition is set 12:25 They don't spawn randomly, right. 12:25 being if you try to farm black puddings if i recall correctly 12:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Brd Clk Mal Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:42423 12:26 They happen when you split a pudding whose hitpoints are abnormally high for its level. 12:26 * raisse\splat killed Vlad the Impaler on T:39322 12:26 This was intended to ensure that it only kicks in after many splits (20+), but in practice it works out to happen somewhat easier than that. 12:26 right... that was the issue 12:26 I've attempted to fix this twice, and it _is_ better than originally. 12:27 But yeah, it still needs adjusting. 12:27 ok was wondering 12:27 -!- oh6 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Brd Clk Mal Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:42616 12:27 jonadab: They happen when you play the game completely normally, i.e. when you hit a pudding for the first time, with the intention of killing it. :P 12:27 What do blood puddings even do 12:27 Lymia they kill you 12:27 quick 12:27 Lymia: They work just like puddings, except they don't leave a corpse and have level-draining attacks. 12:27 Lymia: They end your game, even if you have a full ascension kit. Ask Mandevil\splat. 12:27 And are fast. 12:27 hmm 12:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Brd Clk Mal Neu) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:42740 12:28 its a grunthack worthy monster 12:28 Rule 1 about blood puddings is, don't hit them with iron, because that will split them, and you don't want to. 12:28 * K2 is not going to add blood puddings to grunthack 12:28 K2: yaaaaaaay you should add it in grunthack/evilhack then *bundlebundlebundle!* ♥ *kiss* 12:28 AmyBSOD\srn: You should add blood puddings to slex. 12:28 jonadab: already did! 12:28 @le?blood pudding 12:28 blood pudding (P) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 32 | Spd: 16 | Res: cold shock poison acid petrification drain | Confers: cold shock poison | MR: 75 | Generates: special | AC: -10 | Attacks: 3d8 bite level drain, 0d0 passive level drain | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, amorphous, breathless, mindless, regenerates, nopoly, undead, vegetarian 12:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Brd Clk Mal Neu) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:42838 12:29 Ah. 12:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Brd Clk Mal Neu) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:42884 12:29 EPI: tentacle puddings. They occasionally form instead of blood puddings, and they have dnethack elder priest tentacle attacks. 12:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Brd Clk Mal Neu) killed Garland, on T:42939 12:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Brd Clk Mal Neu) destroyed Chaos, on T:42946 12:29 Ultra EPI: elderpriest puddings. They have dnethack elder priest tentacle attacks, but also bisection, vorpal, data delete and ragnarok attacks and all the stats, resists etc. of the elder priest :P 12:30 jonadab so basically until further adjustments are made, dont attack black puddings with edged/iron weapons? 12:30 EPI: pink slime. Pink jellies (from Brogue) meet green slimes (from NetHack). 12:30 <[Demo][srn]> or brown 12:30 <[Demo][srn]> iron 12:30 K2: iron is what splits them, right. 12:30 <[Demo][srn]> you can split puddings with a damn key 12:30 Edged is irrelevant I think. 12:30 <[Demo][srn]> it is 12:30 <[Demo][srn]> which makes werebane useful 12:31 <[Demo][srn]> fun little pudding farming utility item 12:32 ah 12:32 <[Demo][srn]> is infinite confused throne looting patched in grunt? 12:32 you'd think it would be edged vs blunt and not material type that splits a pudding 12:32 i miss throne farming 12:32 but yeah good to know 12:33 -!- riker has joined #hardfought 12:33 how about wizard farming, or do the double trouble Rodneys drop nothing? 12:33 discord is down, so I can't read backlog 12:33 have I killed center of all yet? 12:33 (I havne't seen him but my pets might have) 12:33 riker: hardfought.org has a public irc log 12:34 riker: my backscroll goes up to 1 hour back, no center of all message there 12:34 FIQ: oh is that actively updated? 12:34 I thought it was a daily dump 12:34 kk thanks FIQ 12:34 definitely haskhack 12:34 out of curiosity, what is the story behind Garland/Chaos? i.e. why does the knight Garland transform into Chaos, is that explained somewhere? 12:34 <[Demo][srn]> final fantasy 12:34 <[Demo][srn]> the original one 12:34 final fantasy 12:34 I 12:35 ok I haven't 12:35 ah, never played that series 12:35 <[Demo][srn]> me neither 12:35 it's literally just copied from FF, chris has no imagination :p 12:35 <[Demo][srn]> i know the latest FF is just a bunch of possibly gay? emo asian kids jumping around and doing magic and shit 12:36 <[Demo][srn]> its actually not that bad a game 12:36 <[Demo][srn]> its realllllly fun to make fun of 12:36 AmyBSOD\srn, how's high level spells in slex work anyway? 12:36 The code seems to be for a guarenteed fail chance 12:37 Lymia: guaranteed fail chance? you mean guaranteed success chance? 12:37 For very high level spells 12:37 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:37 sec 12:37 spell level 1-4 is max 90% fail, level 5 can have up to 95%, level 6 up to 98%, level 7 up to 99% and level 8 spells can have 100% fail and be impossible to cast until you improve your skills/stats 12:38 that's a max fail, not a min fail 12:38 (that's why you can start a chaos dude and ony have 99% fail on a lvl 7 spell) 12:39 oh you mean this weird calculation... well, basically, if you wear too much metal armor or your spellcasting stat is very low, there's a "guaranteed" fail chance, but in slex you can circumvent that by increasing the spell memory 12:39 <[Demo][srn]> oh right and they have really funny names 12:40 <[Demo][srn]> whats some dumb shit that dnh does? 12:43 ? 12:43 Oh, I see 12:43 have stupid amounts of stuffs everywhere? 12:43 I misread the code, it seemed as if chance was capped to 120, right before it did chance -= 100 for level 8 spells 12:43 off the top of my head I can only think of something that dnethack doesn't do, i.e. have a vaapad form, and I think the lack of that is stupid :P 12:44 lol 12:44 <[Demo][srn]> i think i might move the silver key to the deep one level with the thrones 12:44 why? 12:44 wha'ts cthulhu gonna have/ 12:45 <[Demo][srn]> and bar off the gulf of nkia and ryleh 12:45 the 3rd key? 12:45 <[Demo][srn]> and then buff the shit out of it down there 12:45 <[Demo][srn]> move the alhoon elsewhere 12:45 <[Demo][srn]> and make that an alternate evil ending where you do some weird cthulhu worship shit available to certain roles 12:45 gaaaaaaaah 12:46 not a bad idea 12:46 Moldoux spawned in the only path I can use in slexoban :( 12:46 <[Demo][srn]> isnt that a pokemon? 12:46 no it's the stupid sessile boss monster 12:46 that when you kills summons a great wyrm of power 12:47 why I am still wearing the shield of teh all seeing lol 12:47 tried to zap my vanisher wand at him... now he's invisible 12:47 RIP 12:48 <[Demo][srn]> how is that ok? 12:48 maybe I should zap him with the wand of clone monster, kill both of the clones, and thereby set up a deadly bones level with two GWOPs? :P 12:48 <[Demo][srn]> soko does bones in slex? 12:48 yes 12:48 evil 12:49 oh well, won't finish soko this game I guess 12:49 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:49 what's the general opinion of 3.6 making fountains bright blue and graves white? 12:49 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 12:49 bhaak: huge thumbs up for the former, no opinion on the latter ;) 12:50 <[Demo][srn]> probably good i havent noticed 12:50 now please make water bright blue too and/or add the paranoid water option from un :P 12:50 <[Demo][srn]> hey amy where are the fleecy colours handled in slex? 12:50 <[Demo][srn]> like where is the dungeon shit drawn? 12:50 [Demo][srn]: mapglyph.c I think 12:51 Lymia: I refuse to play Fourk that contains blood puddings. 12:51 beware, the file makes seasoned c programmers cry tears of blood 12:51 Lymia: If that tells you something. 12:51 [Demo][srn]: no, moldoux is not a pokemon 12:51 <[Demo][srn]> sounds like it would be a newer one 12:51 learn your dex 12:52 it is very important knowledge, you know 12:52 it will help you well on your quest in life 12:52 <[Demo][srn]> i only know up to gen3 and maybe half gen4 12:52 bhaak: I like the fountain thing 12:52 I did that myself too 12:52 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 12:53 As for graves, I've considered making them ± 12:53 in extended graphics 12:53 IBMgraphics that is 12:53 Perhaps they should be white or darkgray too 12:53 But I'm not sure if I agree that it should be white 12:53 FIQ: did you notice that AntiGulp added a scroll labeled ELPHE MONATER to Splicehack? I wonder where he got that spelling from, because I'm pretty sure it's consistently spelled ELF (and sometimes MONSTER, at other times MONATER) in Viet Crystal 12:54 AmyBSOD\srn: Aren't several scroll labels in NetHack fuzzed as-is? 12:54 Could just be another intentional misspelling 12:54 To make it less obvious 12:55 oh really? wasn't aware of that 12:55 -!- shpingrlde has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 12:55 and more... "exotic" 12:55 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 12:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:56 the ones I added to slex myself try to stay true to the original, e.g. FASTLY JUMP TO ENEMY WITH INVISIBLES FISRTLY (with the S and R wrapped in the last word) 12:56 ok 12:56 <@mtf> Bot should be coming back up now guys 12:56 <@rikersan\srn> thanks mtf 12:56 @mtf thanks 12:56 <@mtf> need to run out, if it's still down please let me know 😃 12:56 <@mtf> and np 12:56 I am ashamed at your slow response to the bot downtime call 12:56 <@mtf> heyyy there it is 12:56 You should do better next time 12:56 /s 12:57 <@rikersan\srn> it's up 12:57 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4535 points, T:4398, killed by a snow ant 12:57 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 43 points, T:37, killed by a jackal, while praying 12:58 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 12:58 oh how convenient :) 12:58 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 12:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 12:58 AntiGulp: I was wondering about the scroll labeled "ELPHE MONATER", since I'm pretty sure it's consistently spelled ELF (and sometimes MONSTER, at other times MONATER) in Viet Crystal 12:59 <[Demo][srn]> i wonder if the unknown god is supposed to have anything to do with cthulhu 12:59 I’m a huge fan of vietnamese crystal. ELPHE MONATER was a mispelled nod to that. I was considering VOLCANO BAKEMEAT, but that felt a bit too direct. Maybe for a future scroll. 12:59 see I was right :D 12:59 intentional fuzzing of the wording to make it less obvious and more "exotic" 12:59 FIQ: heh 13:00 AntiGulp: yeah me too, although the ones I added to slex myself try to stay true to the original, e.g. FASTLY JUMP TO ENEMY WITH INVISIBLES FISRTLY (with the S and R wrapped in the last word) 13:00 bhaak: bright blue fountains = very yes, graves white really depends on your font whether you can even see it (in mine there's a tiny difference). 13:00 AntiGulp: I have never played VC myself, or looked into it that much... it's too dangerous for me to do so 13:00 after seeing black graves in fiqhack I am thinking that's a good idea 13:00 or darkgray. whatever 13:00 I have noticed when reading the tvtropes page of that game that it has a tendency to make me have serious problems breathing due to laughing too much at the ridiculousness 13:01 FIQ: It’s a huge trip. The first thing you see is professor oak saying “Welcome to elf world my name is elf monster.” It only gets stranger from there. 13:01 <[Demo][srn]> walls are grey, right? 13:01 FIQ: Speak to OJ, think of the sweet sound my sputa will flow down. 13:01 AntiGulp: Merely reading tvtropes makes me break down in fits of laughter 13:01 SO I just stay away 13:01 :P 13:01 *So 13:01 Probably good lol, it’s quite a time sink 13:02 That moment when your pokemon wants to learn the move “PRIZE” and you have no idea what that means 13:02 <[Demo][srn]> i tried to get into it and it made no sense 13:02 <[Demo][srn]> just like slex 13:02 that explains why AmyBSOD\srn loves it 13:02 it's just like slex 13:02 or the other way around 13:03 [hdf-us] [un] picaresquieu (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 551 points, T:985, killed by a gnome lord 13:03 FIQ: now you have sent me down the tvtropes black hole. I hope you're happy 13:03 RIP 13:03 aosdict\ito: mwahahah 13:03 <@Tone\ootc> @escargott'em @IceBox Oddly enough, you can restore stat loss due to abuse with a unicorn horn 13:04 it makes no sense 13:04 I removed that in fh 13:04 chris also did in dnh way earlier 13:04 <@escargott'em> But if you gain a stat it can't be removed normally? 13:04 <@Tone\ootc> Yeah, I agree with that change FIQ 13:04 FIQ: oh gosh this is going to be on par with Backstroke of the West isn't it? 13:04 <[Demo][srn]> hmm 13:05 aosdict\ito: never heard of 13:05 <[Demo][srn]> considering lowering level for quest to 12 13:05 <[Demo][srn]> but maybe not 13:05 I took a cue from xnethack and unnethack and lowered it to 10 in my dev branch 13:05 <@rikersan\srn> oh god 13:05 <@Tone\ootc> @escargott'em A unicorn horn won't remove a stat, and if you lose it again in any way then you can restore it 13:05 <@escargott'em> Why is there a level requirement? 13:05 <@rikersan\srn> it crashed fucking again 13:05 <@rikersan\srn> where is k2? 13:05 FIQ: if you have any interest in laughing at star wars episode III, check it out 13:06 aosdict\ito: perhaps some time 13:06 K2: if you get a chance, can you resurrect my clck bard on rikerw's dnh? 13:06 [Demo][srn]: be bold! take a page from slex and make it so you can enter the quest whenever you want and tell Lord Sato to **** his **** and **** it all the way to ****! 13:06 it crashed. again. 13:06 aosdict\ito: ok just looked it up and yeah 13:06 aosdict\ito: do not want! 13:06 it's basically the same thing 13:06