00:16 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 00:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 00:51 ... and so it was written in the Book of Grasshopper... 01:02 Junethack: Grasshopper ascended a game of NetHack 3.6.1 on au.hardfought.org! 01:18 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 01:20 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:47 -!- AmyBSOD\srn has joined #hardfought 02:03 <@IceBox> tw 02:04 !tell bhaak thanks for fixing quicktravel, I'll see whether it's satisfying for me in a year :) 02:04 Will do, AmyBSOD\srn! 02:18 AmyBSOD\srn: your clan doesn't even have half of UnNetHack's trophies. so, lots of reasons to play again this year 02:18 bhaak: Message from AmyBSOD\srn at 2018-06-18 02:04 EDT: thanks for fixing quicktravel, I'll see whether it's satisfying for me in a year :) 02:18 wow, srn is really doing badly 02:18 yeah maybe I will, after all neither Ludios nor Aphrodite generated in my game 02:18 geez amy 02:18 all your fault too imo 02:19 zid: blame the lieutenants with their eternal wands of death aka wands of "lol u noob ur game ends now"! 02:20 bhaak: Can you make the output format on the /scoreboard page use .02 so it all lines up? thanks 02:20 It looks fugly atm 02:22 AmyBSOD\srn: not even the simple ones like the gold-carrying ones, or killing Croesus or killing 1ES :-} 02:22 zid: I can try 02:23 how is one-eyed sam "simple"??? you buffed him something fierce, made it so that iron bars are generated if you attack him, and to top it off, you even changed his gender and made him female without changing his name to "Samantha"! arson, murder and jaywalking! 02:24 * zid finds a girl who goes by sam to beat AmyBSODsrn 02:50 nice patch idea: rename wands of death to wands of deaf and all they should do is make you unable to hear 02:53 bug_sniper: That would be perfect weapon against those UnNethack nazguls. 02:55 Mandevil\splat, the wand or the idea? 02:55 Both? 02:56 doesn't xnh have a sonic wand? 02:56 (that makes you unable to hear but also does damage) 02:56 In case you don't know, Un nazgul stun you with their screams., 02:56 I've never heard of deealing with nazgul with sound 02:57 yes, heard quite recently (as in, probably yesterday) 02:57 So being deaf for a while would be nice. 02:57 both un and spork have those ubernazguls, and slex has a slightly modified version of them but they're quite rare there ;) 02:57 I had a nazgul in the Rodney zoo. 02:57 Even as I was outside of the tower, it still kept me stunned. 02:57 failing earplugs, you need to carry a drum or a horn 02:57 in my un game I had several ubernazgul summoned on the astral plane and they were annoying as heck but then conflict killed them 02:57 Which is totally horrible if some baddie is impinging on you. 02:59 stun must definitely be the most crippling status effect in the game, you can do basically nothing until you cure it, especially in nh4 where trying to move/attack randomly will consider walls valid directions 03:00 un's nazguls are toned down compared to spork 03:00 AFAIK 03:01 AmyBSOD\srn: did you just assume 1ES' gender? she's the big sister of the 1ES from Slash'EM (their parents weren't really creative with naming their children) 03:02 AmyBSOD\srn: given that she's the older of the two, it's obvious that she took the job first in unnethack and slash'em only got the weaker brother 03:02 lol :D 03:03 clearly she should also be able to emit mind blasts that duplicate Thiefbane's effect, i.e. instakill you at range ;) 03:04 On any level :) 03:04 and for good measure, her mind blasts should also duplicate dnethack's elder priest tentacling effect and slex's data delete and ragnarok attacks because no one may ever be able to survive against her 03:04 How about hitting 1ES being instantly fatal? 03:04 That would save you lot of programming. 03:05 ??1ES 03:05 you still have to account for far range attacks. 03:06 bhaak: I mean 'hit' as in 'any hit'. 03:06 bhaak: Wand, ranged physical, ranged spell, melee. 03:06 who's 1ES? 03:06 @u?black marketeer 03:06 black marketeer (@) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 23 | Spd: 20 | Res: sleep petrification | Confers: sleep | MR: 40 | Generates: special | AC: -5 | Attacks: 4d10 weapon physical | Alignment: -2 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, infravisible 03:06 no poison resistance? 03:06 oh, him 03:06 or does she get that from equipment 03:06 If she's not poison resistant, she could be gassed with !oSickness. 03:07 I would be very surprised if such a loophole would be left in. 03:07 poisoned darts/arrows ftw :) 03:07 bug_sniper: one-eyed sam 03:08 -!- elenmirie\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:10 Wiki says she has rpois. 03:10 Well, actually all available resistances. 03:11 She conveys sleep resistance (100%). 03:13 oh unnethack has "black marketeer" and "One-Eyed Sam" as distinct monsters, how weird 03:13 in SLASH'EM, there's just a "black marketeer" who happens to be called One-Eyed Sam 03:14 she's a unique, so it's weird that slash'em didn't make him into one 03:14 I'm wondering though... she only has 50 MR, maybe you can screw her over with a wand/spell of polymorph? 03:14 also remember that there's the second blackmarket level in unnethack, where 1ES started a franchise. there's her and a bunch of black marketeer franchise entrepeneurs 03:15 hmm the wand will never polymorph her because it counts as level 12 03:16 or will it? 03:16 Chance = MR/(100 + (attack level) - (defense level)) 03:16 attack level is 12 and defense level 24, apparently 03:16 raisse\splat, sorry about distracting you with my question and getting you killed 03:18 * AmyBSOD\srn tries to get a precompiled unnethack binary for windows 03:20 omg why the hell does v move me instead of displaying the version 03:21 Windows UnNetHack tty Version 5.1.0 - last build Sun Dec 08 21:14:50 2013. 03:21 bug_sniper: that wasn't you, it's just because my previous char had free action so I just barged into the eye 03:21 sounds outdated, and the black market looks just like the slashem one 03:22 a pity because the gloves I'd just found were blessed +4 03:31 AmyBSOD\srn: try again. I said the _second_ level 03:31 it's in 5.1.0 already 03:31 oh no not again 03:31 * raisse\splat is fated to die to floating eyes today, it seems 03:31 bhaak: second level?! 03:32 is it random whether you get the first or second one? 03:32 oh, apparently it is 03:32 "Evil-eyed Vergt" hmm that sounds like you took a random name of a vanilla shopkeeper and added that attribute in front of it ;) 03:33 of course they all get angry if you steal from one! 03:34 AmyBSOD\srn: yes, they are fans of 1ES, so they took nicks like their idol. but it wasn't me, it was aaxelb that did this level 03:34 Does scroll of earth work in black market? 03:35 AFAIR, yes, and 1ES can't obliterate boulders like some monsters in spork can. yet. 03:35 Mandevil\splat: apparently someone made it so that the uncursed scroll only creates 3-4 boulders, so you'd need several to construct a fort there 03:35 well I guess it's better than having it drop 59 boulders on your head and killing you through an iron helmet 03:36 AmyBSOD\srn: Only in the black market or in general? 03:36 didn't test in a different place yet 03:36 of course I can't levelport out even in wizmode, and there are iron bars around the portal now 03:37 wtf and the potion of acid doesn't dissolve them? 03:37 AmyBSOD\srn: use the ctrl-t and then ? 03:37 bhaak: yes, and then I get "you shudder for a moment" when selecting a level 03:38 apparently Sam can simply smash boulders too 03:38 hmm, when did that happen? 03:38 oh, she can? don't remember adding that 03:38 A thunderclap rings out, and a boulder shatters! A thunderclap rings out, and a boulder shatters! 03:39 oh wait 03:39 One-eyed Sam strides through the dust cloud. 03:39 Nice. 03:39 the potion of acid needs to hit the ironbars 03:39 AmyBSOD\srn: Try to paralyze her with a wielded potion. 03:39 AmyBSOD\srn: I wonder how likely you are to hit. 03:39 probably not very 03:39 Yeah, that's what I think. 03:40 Since Un gives non-weapons a to-hit penalty. 03:40 AC -23 03:41 hmm outside of the black market I get the usual 9 boulders from a scroll of earth 03:41 the best way to dissolve ironbars is wielding them and then use F against the bars 03:41 but they don't help in the market anyway because Sam can smash them :P 03:41 but it slows her down 03:41 bhaak: monsters can obliterate boulders even in vanilla 03:41 FIQ: which one? giants can pick them up but destroying them? 03:41 Riders 03:42 And anyone using a wand of striking 03:42 Sam is a she huh? 03:43 I guess the name is gender neutral 03:43 1ES is she. 03:43 For some reason. 03:44 FIQ: Did you know that deity names in DCSS are so chosen as to make their gender ambigous? 03:44 I think Sam is almost always a boy's name, but there is the occasional girl 03:45 Mandevil\splat: I did not 03:45 Samantha can possibly be called Sam? 03:45 Hmm sure 03:45 Anyway, I always imagined most DCSS gods as male 03:45 * Mandevil\splat too. 03:45 FIQ: Except Lugonu was in old version called Lucy. 03:45 Ah 03:46 Trog as female seems... wrong to me 03:46 Yeah. 03:46 Dithemos as female doesn't seem as wrong 03:46 Mandevil\splat: they also swapped the genders of some uniques, e.g. Grinder, which I'll always perceive as male 03:46 or Zin 03:46 AmyBSOD\srn: I know. 03:46 Grinder as female seems quite wrong to me. 03:46 Hope they don't switch Nikola's gender ;-) 03:47 off the top of my head I remember 2 important Sams. Samantha Carter from Stargate and Alyssa Milano in Who's the boss 03:47 in SLEX, the crawl gods exist but are all male 03:50 Even Jivya? 03:50 Who strikes me as genderless 03:51 yes, because in slex there's only male and female gods ;) 03:52 which reminds me again that someone on 4chan wants me to make it so that the PC in slex can be any of 32 various genders 03:52 Why should gods be gendered anyway. 03:52 next thing is they want me to make the player be able to identify as a toaster oven or attack helicopter or whatever :P 03:53 Sex is a way to mingle DNA, do gods need that? 03:53 no but they do it for [leasure 03:53 AmyBSOD\srn: You currently cannot? That's an outrage! 03:53 pleasure, even 03:53 Sex for pleasure is quite a human thing. 03:54 Are gods human? 03:55 AmyBSOD\srn: giving that you added high heel attacks, I find it a bit disappointing, that you only code for your pleasures and not for your player's pleasures as well! 03:55 bhaak: Well said :) 03:55 bhaak: but I did add the possibility to choose whether your character is hetero- or homosexual when a 4channer requested it! :P 03:55 just imagine the possibility if you could polymorph into an attack helicopter 03:58 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:59 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:00 bhaak: I think identifying as an attack helicopter doesn't necessarily make you one. 04:00 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 04:01 Mandevil\splat: no, but this is nethack. with a ring of polymorph control, you could become one! 04:01 Hm, maybe. 04:01 * AmyBSOD\srn identifies as an anthropomorphised high-heeled shoe ♥ 04:01 can they lay eggs? 04:01 make baby attack helicopters? 04:02 Yes, they start as RC controlled models, but grow into the real adult heli. 04:03 better than starting life as a paper airplane I guess 04:04 I recently saw a video of this Japanese dude throwing paper airplane "darts" that could significantly penetrate a water melon 04:04 admittedly at a pretty short range 04:06 144 +7 poisoned paper airplane darts (quivered) 04:07 (they fly bit like a boomerang, but veer randomly). 04:07 nice 04:09 given that 1ES smashes boulders, I don't think the restriction on the blackmarket level is needed anymore. yay for removing non sensical special cases 04:11 FIQ: are you sure about the boulder smashing? I tried it in the latest 3.6 and the riders don't do it. 04:12 BTW, can you fill black market with acid blobs? 04:12 And pin down 1ES? 04:13 does an attack helicopter have its own pronouns? 04:13 bug_sniper: Not in sexist English. 04:13 Grasshopper: ah good that you're here! I have a question that you might have the unique qualification for answering: how do thailand shoe sizes work, i.e. can you help me figure out what european size 38 is in thailand shoe size? 04:13 Mandevil\splat: that could work 04:15 AmyBSOD\srn, as far as I understand Thais just use international systems for shoe sizes eg US/Euro etc 04:16 oh really? because my roommate bought a couple Thai pairs yesterday and they used a really weird size system 04:16 one pair says "235" on the sole 04:16 never heard of that 04:16 and I want to have a meeting with this guy who sells them so I can buy a couple for myself, but if they all have those weird sizes I have no idea which ones will fit, because they're all unsorted 04:16 usually I just see US/euro sizes on the shoes, I think there is one more as well but I am no expert 04:17 AmyBSOD\srn, that is always the problem with buying shoes 04:17 one brand fits great in a 45, next brand is great in 44 04:18 (for me anyway that is my kind of range) 04:18 hmm 235 could be european 38 04:18 according to https://www.gemplers.com/tech/fconversion.htm (it says 23.5 but maybe I just didn't see the dot on the sole?) 04:19 wife usually buys size 1 (tiny feet), but they are usually made for kids so are too narrow 04:20 she is a pocket ninja 04:21 my guess is that the ones offered by that guy are also all too small for myself, because I have european size 42 and most women's shoes aren't manufactured in that size 04:21 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:21 Really? I'd have thought there'd be plenty of Euro ladies with larger feet 04:22 yes, but those are thai shoes, probably imported directly from Thailand, and apparently thai women rarely ever have such large feet 04:22 oh sorry yes indeed 04:22 you'd prob have to get them specially made 04:22 my roommate had no trouble finding ones that fit her, but she has european size 36 04:23 my size (say 45) is about the largest male size I'll usually find here 04:23 here's the ones she bought: https://abload.de/img/p1070137ddsgc.jpg and https://abload.de/img/p1070134k3sq0.jpg :) 04:23 which makes shoe shopping easy as you just go the the big end, and if it's there it's there 04:24 those boots are pretty hot, but I wonder how easy they are to walk in 04:24 yeah my size is the largest female size available here too, but only if I'm lucky; many shops only have up to 41 which is just barely too small for me :( 04:25 yeah 04:25 you need a relationship with a good cobbler 04:26 AmyBSOD\srn: I remember a classmate claiming "the ideal size of a woman's foot is 36". I went "dude, wtf? just look at the feet from half a meter further away, then they look smaller, too. there's a thing called 'perspective'" 04:26 bhaak: my roommate has 36 and curses shops that only have shoes from 37 upward, which is also disturbingly common 04:27 I honestly don't care how big they are so long as they don't smell horrible 04:27 ha 04:27 well, I would have some issues with feet that are so big that only clown shoes would fit :) 04:28 nah, so long as they don't step on you with them all the time 04:28 probably make great swimmers 04:28 but that is due to my disliking of general unproportional size of body parts :) 04:28 heh, I wouldn't mind my roommate stepping on my fingers or toes with her new heels ♥ 04:51 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 04:51 -!- elenmirie is now known as elenmirie\splat 05:09 @sgea 05:09 nvm 05:10 !whereis V38M2Y69T 05:10 FIQ: [hdf-us] V38M2Y69T is not currently playing on this server. 05:10 FIQ: [hdf-au] V38M2Y69T [slex]: (Bin Alc Fem Neu) T:8371 The Dungeons of Doom level: 4 05:10 who names their usernames as passwords 05:11 the australian server is cuddly green ♥ 05:11 leave it to AmyBSOD\srn to call something "cuddly green" 05:12 kuschelgrün :) 05:12 if a 4th server is made (as?), I propose a yellow color 05:13 AmyBSOD\srn: so these uniques 05:13 Anastasia, Lily, whatever 05:13 where do the names come from 05:15 they aren't persons I know in real life and I certainly don't adore their female shoes ;) 05:15 I kinda assumed that is where they originated 05:15 Actually, maybe I don't want to ask 05:15 !who 05:15 FIQ: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] Pimpus [xnh] 05:15 FIQ: [hdf-eu] No current players 05:15 FIQ: [hdf-au] V38M2Y69T [slex] Grasshopper [nh361] 05:16 many of them actually have different names IRL, because I have to make sure they don't actually recognize themselves as being in my game and decide to sue me over it 05:16 @luxidream how's dyna going 05:16 AmyBSOD\srn: hmm, so where do the names come from then 05:16 the way you put it, it kinda sounds like they might just refer to anyone generic 05:17 "Anastasia" for example is a girl who was called that by someone once who tried to fool me, but I felt that the name would have fit the girl in question, so I refer to her by that name 05:17 <@luxidream> its goin 05:17 and Lily? 05:17 @luxidream how many ascensions 05:18 <@luxidream> not as many as I'd like 05:18 ahh 05:18 very well 05:18 hmm soko 05:18 you play f ast 05:18 *fast 05:19 Lily is really called Lily IRL, but we didn't know each other very well so she's unlikely to recognize herself in the game on the off chance that she stumbles over it 05:19 <@luxidream> haven't done castle yet 05:19 AmyBSOD\srn: I see 05:19 also since I don't add surnames, it could be any random IRL Lily ;) 05:19 AmyBSOD\srn: mhm 05:19 I didn't know you met Boris Becker's ex 05:19 yeah that's why I felt the names to be generic 05:20 bhaak: :D 05:20 FIQ: some of them are a little less generic, e.g. "The bastard friend of Lilly's brother" :D 05:20 as in "I just grabbed a stash of female surnames and threw them into a bowl and picked them up at random and added stats and shoes" 05:20 AmyBSOD\srn: Mhm 05:21 (he's such a bastard that I don't even dignify him with an in-game name :P) 05:21 lol 05:21 @le?the bastard friend of Lily's brother 05:21 No such monster. 05:21 * FIQ zaps Beholder with a wand of striking! 05:22 oh it's actually slightly different 05:22 @le?The disgusting friend of Lilly's brother 05:22 The disgusting friend of Lilly's brother (F) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 12 | Res: disintegrate petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: unique | AC: 10 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 kick physical | Alignment: -15 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, stalker, vegan 05:22 >Lily 05:23 >Lilly's brother 05:23 hmmmmmm 05:23 yeah those are different girls ;) 05:23 @le?Lily 05:23 Lily (x) | Lvl: 1 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 13 | Res: disintegrate petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 20 | Generates: unique | AC: 9 | Attacks: 1d6 weapon physical, 2d4 kick physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, stalker 05:23 @le?Lilly 05:23 ah 05:23 Lilly (D) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 12 | Res: disintegrate petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: unique | AC: 10 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 kick physical | Alignment: 10 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, stalker 05:23 fantastical insect huh 05:32 AmyBSOD\srn: also 05:32 why disint+stone res 05:32 for these uniques 05:33 it's so that you can't instakill them (they also resist death rays but Beholder doesn't report that) 05:33 hm 05:33 but they're level 1-5 05:33 TIL about the ?oSM oddity 05:33 yeah, I put those resists on most of the uniques I added, regardless of their level 05:33 what is the ?oSM oddityt 05:33 *oddity 05:33 aosdict\ito: ah 05:33 sorry, AmyBSOD\srn 05:34 <@luxidream> i think there are roles that start with trice eggs in slex 05:35 Really? 05:35 Huh 05:35 FIQ: what happens if you pick up an uncursed ?oSM? I always thought, it turned cursed. but no, it sets internally a flag that it was picked up by the player and turns to dust the next time the player picks it up 05:35 Is there any who start with that spoon 05:35 bhaak: indeed 05:35 blanking it will keep that flag I think 05:35 so writing a new SM keeps it 05:35 but not sure 05:36 <@luxidream> the spoon that kills people? 05:36 @luxidream there is this spoon artifact 05:36 that OHKOs anything once 05:36 <@luxidream> it's from final fantasy or something right 05:36 I don't remember what it's called 05:36 <@luxidream> can't remember it's name 05:36 <@luxidream> houchou? 05:36 but it exists in slash'em 05:36 yeah that 05:37 no one starts with an artifact in slex, but there's roles that start with the egg bomb technique that allows them to make c eggs 05:37 make how often? 05:37 and how many 05:39 at XL1 it only makes one, with higher XL there's a slight chance to make several; timeout is a couple thousand turns 05:39 ok' 05:39 -' 05:39 however, many bosses in slex resist stoning (Rodney most importantly does not) 05:39 FIQ: that's behavior that existed in hack 1.0. I don't know why they didn't can that when they introduced the belssed->uncursed transition 05:40 bhaak: ah 05:40 maybe I should change it 05:40 I have considered it, actually 05:40 but figured there was a good reason 05:40 if it's residual code from 1.0... 05:40 I wouldn't call it "residual" if the code around it must have been touched quite a few times since then. 05:41 but I can't imagine why it wasn't adjusted to the modern BUC system. 05:41 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 05:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 05:46 [hdf-us] [fh] Nu (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:21924 05:51 I posted my reply into the thread on RGRN, maybe somebody might chime in. given the ancient code, Pat might even reply 05:57 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:09 bhaak: How does the enchantment discovery work in Un? 06:09 bhaak: For weapons. 06:10 Mandevil\splat: to my knowledge, not different than vanilla 06:10 Wait, vanilla has it? 06:11 Anyway, I am using this spear for quite some time and still the enchantment is unrevealed. 06:12 oh, such an enchantment discovery 06:13 if it's in un, I don't know, as I didn't do it 06:13 It is in Un/Dyna. 06:14 The thirsty stout spear draws the life from Bianca! Bianca yowls! 06:14 Hm... 06:14 <@luxidream> "As the invisible Geryon opens the bottle, an enormous ghost emerges! The invisible Geryon is frightened to death, and unable to move." 06:15 <@luxidream> demon lord scared of ghosts? 06:15 Ghosts are scaaarryyyy! 06:16 Mandevil\splat: nope, it's only in dynahack 06:16 Oh really? 06:17 'Weapon enchantment has a small chance of being revealed on each hit, based on skill and doubled if it is of your race.' 06:17 crawl has that it's neat 06:18 zid: Crawl had it _years_ ago. 06:18 zid: Now enchantment is revealed on weapon pickup. 06:19 (but i remember when you bashed plants with your new weapon to learn about the enchantment). 06:21 Mandevil\splat: crawl got worse the more they messed with it :P 06:21 * AmyBSOD\srn likes slex's appraisal technique ;) 06:21 bhaak: fh too 06:21 fh has enchantment discovery, 1/100 of hits at basic, 1/10 at skilled, always on sight at expert 06:22 FIQ: what happens if you throw a shuriken? in fourk at least, it only appraises the one you threw *and there is no way to force the non-appraised stack to merge with it even though everyone knows they have the same enchantment* 06:22 on sight seems a bit too much. after all, does the magic enchantement leave visible marks? 06:23 AmyBSOD\srn: I tried to make it discover the stack, maybe I failed to make it work 06:23 but it shouldn't matter 06:23 since fh merges despite ID knowledge 06:23 ah, so like slex then? good :) 06:23 bhaak: expert makes you an expert of that kind of weapon 06:23 meaning you can also easily spot enchantment magic 06:24 and gauge how helpful it is 06:24 (or not) 06:24 dnethack has incantifiers, who always know what the enchantment of gear is, and it's... quite powerful ;) 06:24 too powerful 06:25 yeah that's what I implied :D however, at least for me the problem was that it seems impossible to get intrinsics, I guess there is a way but I don't know it 06:25 bhaak: it also encourages people to reach expert in stuff 06:26 AmyBSOD\srn: eat rings 06:26 or amulets 06:26 or get crowned 06:26 or drink blood 06:26 darkness given hunger blood is nice intrinsic food 06:26 how does the blood work? do vampires start with random types of blood? 06:26 lasts 7500 turns iirc 06:26 FIQ: I don't think it encourages people to get expert in slots they don't want to use anyway. 06:26 oh right the resists aren't even permanent... 06:27 AmyBSOD\srn: ring trinsics are permanent 06:27 and amulets 06:27 and crowning 06:27 you get potions of blood from vampires, or more usefully, from tinning kits 06:27 so it's crowning or bust I guess, unless you get lucky and find several rings of shock/cold/fire res 06:27 33% isn't that bad of a chance 06:48 how often could one eat rings? I'm new, but it has never occured to me 06:49 rings made of metal can be eaten by metallivores 06:49 wooden rings can be eaten by things that eat organic material in general like gelcubes 06:50 I thing a person could eat a wooden ring just fine 06:50 it'd be disgusting but you could do it 06:50 but you can't digest it 06:50 you can digest the magic bit! 06:51 doesn't matter if you poo the cellulose out 06:51 not if it's bound to the cellulose 06:51 also adventurers already have magic digestion, there's no #poo and I eat like 400 dragons 06:51 so they must turn all organics into energy already 06:52 <@luxidream> then you should be able to eat blank scrolls 06:52 <@luxidream> and trees 06:52 you could easily eat a scroll in real life 06:53 there are no toilets in nethack and only very few rivers 06:53 <@luxidream> slashem has toilets 06:53 for you, or just for decoration? 06:53 * AmyBSOD\srn has probably eaten paper at least once IRL 06:53 <@luxidream> you can use them 06:54 new status line: Stun Conf Ill Consti 06:54 AmyBSOD\srn: never eaten "eatable paper"? 06:54 rice paper 06:54 and the stickers on fruit are edible af 06:54 AmyBSOD\srn: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblate#Esspapier 06:55 I didn't know that's the same as wafers 06:55 bhaak: ah yes, been a while though ;) 06:56 oh, and I didn't know that kit kat and the like have that 06:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] Pimpus (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:5907 07:03 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:11 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 07:18 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) received advice from The Oracle, on T:9289 07:23 [hdf-us] [nh361] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:26553 07:24