00:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 fireproof t-shirt", on T:32345 00:03 is there some way to force redraw in SLEX besides ^r? 00:04 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 00:05 dizzylizzy\ito: the mere fact that you had to ask that question scares me 00:05 I had pieces from 3 different levels and part of the options menu on the screen all at the same time 00:05 you could try opening a menu that won't fit on the screen and closing it again 00:05 although my guess is that if you're under a no-redraw effect that probably wouldn't work 00:05 that's what got the options menu on screen, partially 00:05 the \ menu is normally a good one for forcing screen redraws 00:06 is that an actual slex feature? like from a trap or something? 00:06 probably 00:06 it's normally hard to tell 00:06 "You don't get screen re-draws! Mua ha ha!" 00:06 ^R not working sounds a lot like a slex feature 00:06 haha 00:06 regular redraws not working might or might not be part of it 00:07 Junethack: New user blackshift registered! https://junethack.net/user/blackshift 00:07 I can't see this in the list of slex trap effects, so maybe it is just a bug? 00:08 !who 00:08 aosdict: [hdf-us] krm26 [fh] monstergrin [dnh] bouquet [xnh] 00:08 aosdict: [hdf-eu] blackshift [spl] Grasshopper [nh361] 00:08 aosdict: [hdf-au] Tangles [nh4] 00:08 dizzylizzy\ito: have you resized your terminal window at any point playing this game? 00:08 that's a common cause of weird drawing errors 00:08 the fix is normally to save (and log out from dgamelaunch if playing online), then reload 00:08 Yes, but saving and restoring and maintaining the same window size still doesn't work, and C-r is still down :) 00:09 it's a bug AND a feature! :D 00:09 dgl, screen, and friends can confuse the screen size detection 00:09 so you normally need to log out of dgl too 00:09 mmhmm I disco'd and reco'd 00:10 dizzylizzy\ito: are you a spellcaster? 00:10 check to see if your spell Pw cost is twice what it should be 00:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:32737 00:10 Don't know any spells :( 00:10 the only spellbook I've found is on a teletrap 00:11 OK 00:11 now THIS is podracing! 00:11 It's all right ais, thanks for your ideas though 00:11 I don't /think/ that's the effect you have, but the description's close enough that who knows 00:13 Yes!! \ did the trick after all 00:16 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:17 trying to help people with slex is often a losing battle as you have no idea whether you're trying to give technical support or gameplay advice 00:18 -!- [Demo][srn] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:19 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 00:20 dizzylizzy\ito: here's a screenshot of the trap that doubles your Pw costs and also screws up your display: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/File:Yellowspelltrap.jpg 00:20 -!- [Demo][srn] has joined #hardfought 00:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:33142 00:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33148 00:21 ais523: oh wow 00:21 Kind of a dil move 00:22 if what you're seeing is an intended effect, that's the only one that fits 00:22 If the game is going to lie to me, I at least want the lies to be consistent 00:22 or have some sort of consistency 00:22 slex is possibly not the game for that :-D 00:23 haha no doubt 00:23 there are traps that do things like make you solve captchas 00:23 or ask you questions and the only answer that doesn't screw over your character is one that isn't included in the list of possible answers 00:24 then sorry slex, maybe another day 00:24 i feel like slex might be fun if I am drinking 00:25 I have a hypothesis re the development process which may be related there 00:25 :) 00:26 dizzylizzy I always give slex a try after an ascension and a cocktail 00:27 actually this has really helped me to understand one of the reasons I dislike slex 00:27 in NetHack, if you're playing unspoiled, you gain a better understanding of the game over time as you die and figure out what you did wrong and learn from your mistakes 00:27 hard to enjoy while not under the influence 00:27 that's an interesting point ais 00:28 and part of what makes the RL people I know who've played nethack enjoy it 00:28 in slex, though, the focus is on variety so learning what you did wrong is not helpful as the situation probably won't come up again in the forseeable future 00:28 not only that, but the correct answer is often utterly arbitrary and impossible to reason out 00:29 TDTTOE doesn't really apply in the same way at all 00:30 "Players might get crafty and situation X might come up... better code something for this corner case" vs "Hey, I had this idea to--" "SAY NO MORE FAM" 00:30 :D It's definitely a sort of exciting! 00:31 there are some fairly arbitrary traps in vanilla NetHack, such as floating eyes 00:31 but you at least quickly learn what the rules for those are, and they all tend to be early-game 00:31 also teaches a good lesson about approaching new monsters 00:31 and I'm working at getting rid of many of the unfair/arbitrary early deaths 00:32 for example, in 3.6.1, the vast majority of traps on D:1 will either be harmless or clued 00:32 Mind you I'm not sure I believe in the hypothetical unspoiled player who gradually works it all out 00:32 I love-love-LOVEd the previous dead adventurers on DL1 00:32 Really added a lovely flavor 00:32 the main exception is the regular pit trap, which I guess we can keep for the amusing events like "my pet died on turn 2" 00:32 dizzylizzy\ito: right, there were actually three purposes for that 00:33 a) flavour, b) marking traps to prevent early unfair character deaths, c) their "bones pile" is cursed so it mostly prevents early unfair pet deaths too 00:33 although c) is not quite 100% reliable 00:33 ahhh nifty 00:33 I like c, hadn't thought of that 00:33 c) actually came first, the rest of the mechanic was designed around it 00:33 Y'all rock 00:34 in general I think players should be allowed to play NetHack the way they want, and losing a pet early as a pet-wrangler pretty much forces you to restart the game 00:34 you need to get down to kitten depth before you can easily get another 00:34 @v? kitten 00:34 kitten (f) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 3 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Attacks: 1d6 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 00:34 * Pinkbeast makes a noise of mild disagreement 00:35 Pinkbeast: I'm aware that this is a controversial opinion 00:35 it's not something that all the rest of the devteam share 00:35 YANI: the end of junethack should be marked with a celebration of both vanilla's and the many variants' devs 00:35 I think the best place this shows up is the WIzard class, as optimal play there is to not spellcast early 00:36 but most people who play a Wizard (other than startscummers) do so because they want to cast spells, so something seems wrong there 00:36 Wizard has been gradually transforming over the years from someone who starts with a collection of miscellaneous junk to a spellcaster, but it has a way to go 00:36 I'm not sure I could fix it without pushing the balance beyond what some devteam members consider acceptable, though 00:37 Pinkbeast: fwiw I wanted to add the "collection of miscellaneous junk" as a separate class 00:37 the dependencies it needs aren't in vanilla or NH4, you could do it in FIQHack or Fourk though 00:37 if I ever get time to seriously work on variants again, I'm likely to either a) work on FIQHack directly or b) reverse-fork FIQHack into the next version of NH4 00:38 (obviously FIQ would have a lot of impact on which of those happens) 00:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 157896 points, T:10223, killed by a soldier 00:42 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 00:47 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:55 I think the power requirements and casting bonuses in xnh are a step in the right direction for casters. I'm not sure if they're borrowed from another variant or unique, but they make casters less reliant on weapons. 00:56 -!- NewbProgrammer10 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 01:01 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 01:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh361] Zanza (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2233 points, T:4698, killed by a soldier ant 01:09 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 01:12 !who 01:12 K2: [hdf-us] NeroOneTrueKing [dnh] 01:12 K2: [hdf-eu] Grasshopper [nh361] 01:12 K2: [hdf-au] Tangles [nh4] 01:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Tou Inc Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:34025 01:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Tou Inc Fem Neu) destroyed Death, on T:34292 01:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Tou Inc Fem Neu) destroyed Pestilence, on T:34367 01:24 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 01:24 hmm, four minutes between the two Rider kills 01:24 either that's particularly cautious play or she's struggling 01:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Tou Inc Fem Neu) destroyed Famine, on T:34414 01:24 third altar? 01:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Tou Inc Fem Neu), 9515758 points, T:34439, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NeroOneTrueKing/dnethack/dumplog/1510280583.dnh.txt 01:26 congrats NeroOneTrueKing 01:26 thanks 01:26 NeroOneTrueKing: Message from riker at 2018-04-27 19:36 EDT: your opaque mon fix seems to have broken long worms - any clue why? 01:26 it's been a while since I was last on 01:27 but I wanted to finish this game up before Junethack 01:27 i think that was a 3.15.0 game 01:27 well done! 01:27 yeah lots of 'spring cleaning' going on 01:27 I was getting a bit worried there, purely from Beholder's messages 01:28 dNethack does step up the Riders a fair bit, but the player has plenty of OOMPH to take them out with 01:28 In no way shape or form is it as tough as FIQHack's Astral :P 01:28 Congratulations 01:29 I think I'll just give my drow noble the axe though 01:29 what specifically makes FIQHack's Astral tough? I'm not surprised it's hard 01:29 but kind-of want to be prepared 01:29 Dragons and casters 01:29 Being nasty 01:30 I have a local FIQHack game in progress but it's only just post-Sokoban, I don't think I've reached the hard part yet 01:31 I think the big thing is that all the spellcasting priests summon nasties, not team a 01:33 It's easy to get bogged down in lots of high-hp monsters (like dragons) and you don't necessarily have enough !oFH and /oD to get through them all 01:34 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 01:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 01:35 Even with top-tier gear, you still need to play smart to win 01:37 oh, so it's basically an intentional re-enactment of an archonstorm 01:37 but with terrain where you're more suited for dealing with it 01:37 that's kind-of clever, actually 01:38 Does confused taming still work? 01:39 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:43 ugh, I'm trying to comprehend the implications of this and failing 01:43 confused taming… in /FIQHack/ 01:43 It's just, if it does, all those priest summons are about to become a much more effective personal army than team a 01:44 this is FIQHack we're talking about 01:44 so they're not just generic sacks of passive damage and hitpoints 01:44 Tame demons gated in hostile ones when they attacked, causing a lot of grief for players with demon pets. 01:44 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:44 we're talking about that sort of emergent behaviour but massively multiplied 01:50 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:50 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 01:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 02:08 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:12 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 02:28 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:30 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:37 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 03:20 <@Winsalot> Tbh I dont see point in taming in FIQhack astral 03:20 <@Winsalot> You are already wearing conflict anyway 03:21 <@Winsalot> And trust me, you dont want to take it off 03:21 <@luxidream> you can displace pets. you can't displace hostiles 03:21 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:21 <@Winsalot> Even if you are wearing conflict? Doesnt displacement stop working in some cases? 03:23 With one exception I've always voluntarily played conflictless, and if the area around me is packed with pets I certainly would want to take it off. 03:23 <@luxidream> it doesn't work in shops 03:23 <@luxidream> or if you're punished 04:13 I think it also sometimes fails at random? 04:13 night everyone, anyway 04:13 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 04:16 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:27 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 04:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 04:51 -!- elenmirie\splat has joined #hardfought 04:55 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 05:45 * raisse\splat is trying out splicehack 05:45 I've been a dragonmaster and now I'm an angelic tourist 05:46 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:56 Junethack: New user woodfighter registered! https://junethack.net/user/woodfighter 06:20 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 06:22 -!- LarienTelrunya is now known as AmyBSOD\srn 06:24 aosdict: slex doesn't focus on imbalance, please don't spread such obvious lies! you don't even play it so you can't say if it's balanced or not :P 06:24 AmyBSOD\srn: Message from riker at 2018-05-30 19:03 EDT: 1. i think there's a larien msg for you 2. does angering gods prevent you from having a bunch of resistacnes, or something else screwde me over so I couldn't have literally any resistance? 06:25 dizzylizzy\ito: don't listen to aosdict, slex is *not* a variant that "focuses on imbalance" (wtf), it just has an entirely different brand of balance compared to the other variants ;) 06:26 !tell rikersan you were playing the angel race; the downside of that is that if your alignment is negative, you literally cannot have any resistance or positive in/extrinsic until you fix it. That's probably what happened. 06:26 Will do, AmyBSOD\srn! 06:33 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 06:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 06:35 You see here a statue of an animated statue. 06:54 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:56 aosdict: addition to the "you can only save at altars" YASI: and it costs some gold, just like in GTA2 :P 06:57 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 06:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 07:11 12 hrs and 49 minutes 07:19 -!- hpardis has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:22 * aosdict starts humming "One Day More" 07:22 !tell ais523 If you wanted to make c) bones pile is cursed to mostly prevent early pet deaths reliable, you could tweak the pet AI so that the pet won't ever step on a square that is both trapped AND has cursed items on it. Even if they can't see the trap directly yet. 07:22 Will do, aosdict! 07:41 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 07:43 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:45 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:04 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 08:05 11 hrs 55 min 08:05 <[Demo][srn]> what time edt is that lol 08:06 8pm est 08:06 <[Demo][srn]> oh not bad 08:06 I wish there was a way to put that in the team topic (other than me or someone else with +t writing it every 5 minutes) 08:06 <[Demo][srn]> its edt rn not est 08:06 oh edt 08:06 whats edt 08:06 <[Demo][srn]> daylight savings time 08:06 <[Demo][srn]> which is dumb cause its that time like most of the year 08:07 <[Demo][srn]> like what why 08:07 hmm 08:07 look at your clock... and 1 hrs 53 min 08:07 11 hrs 08:07 thats when 08:07 <[Demo][srn]> im just gonna assume thats what u did and 8 is right 08:07 https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/timezone/utc 08:07 raisse\splat that'd be cool to have an active topic heh 08:09 <[Demo][srn]> i wonder when im gonna sleep tonight 08:10 <[Demo][srn]> i think i better start with my illegitimate dnh megabinder 08:10 for me the tournament start is at 2 AM... I'm gonna play once I'm awake, which is probably going to be 9 AM or so :D 08:11 [Demo][srn]: thanks for making an acu quest, it saves me the trouble of having to write one myself! :) 08:11 <[Demo][srn]> binder has easiest astral plane cause you always have enki to teleport to altar room doors with 08:11 <[Demo][srn]> AmyBSOD\srn: it still needs work i think but its good enough 08:12 yeah, I'll just use it in slex the way it is right now 08:12 The water nymph introduces themselves to you as Violet. 08:12 gotta finish my work on slex 2.2.3 today because there won't be no time for it tomorrow, or the 29 days after that for that matter :P 08:12 I don't have to name my own nymphs in splice! 08:12 <[Demo][srn]> :( i dont have a DemoX account with an open dnh slot 08:12 Violet stole 2 food rations. 08:12 also have to do all household work (vacuuming, cleaning etc.) today so I won't have to do it during the tournament 08:13 Bob the nymph 08:14 I'm for "themself" by the way 08:14 you don't say "yourselves" of one person either 08:15 Bob the nymph for president 08:15 what pronoun would an amalgamated consciousness use to refer to itself? 08:15 because at this point, *anyone* else would be better 08:15 i will not play tomorrow 08:15 can't decide between "ourself" and "ourselves" 08:16 maybe in the night 08:16 because i have to work, and afterwards going to a concert with a homie 08:16 i'll be able to get about 4 hrs in at kickoff, then have to go to bed and then out in the field training next three days 08:16 will have to play catch up 08:16 yeah i can probably play a little bit in the morning 08:17 if i am super elite i can even ascend before going to work 08:17 but i doubt it 08:17 l33t 08:17 I won't stay up until it's midnight UTC because that's 2am my time, but I'll play tomorrow all right 08:17 wallclock time speedrun is much more harder for me than realtime 08:17 a part of me wants to burn 30 days worth of vacation and just take June off 08:18 is that wrong? it doesnt feel wrong... 08:18 not if you have arbitrary amount of vacation time per year 08:19 oh wait... i've already used all of my vaca days for the year 08:19 uhm? 08:19 ouch? 08:19 so no vacation on christmas? 08:19 only been with this company for 7 months, only allocated 5 days firt year 08:19 first 08:19 uh, ok 08:19 USA? 08:19 used them up already when we took mini me to disneyworld 08:19 stennowork yup 08:20 ok figures 08:20 next year it'll go up to 3 weeks 08:20 and then at 5 years, 5 weeks 08:20 that sounds much better 08:20 that excludes holidays, right? 08:20 yes 08:20 kk 08:20 i have 30 days + the holidays 08:21 if i were still full time active duty in military, it'd be what you have 08:22 and thanks to mandatory health insurance which is half carried by the employer, i have paid sick leave as long as i am sick 08:22 that'd be in addition to the aforementioned vacation + holidays 08:25 health insurance coverage in the US is... complicated 08:25 I always boggle at the US system of a limited number of sick days, as if you can control how long you're sick 08:25 it's not like vacation 08:25 raisse\splat, yeah me too 08:25 i was shocked when i learned that there is such thing 08:26 some of the best health insurance around in the US is had by working for the federal govt 08:26 then I'm not surprised that people go to work with raging fevers 08:26 when I left the public service in Australia I had over 100 sick days accrued unused 08:27 never to be paid out 08:27 oh, australia too? 08:27 I thought that was a civilised country 08:27 but actually taking the sick days was complicated, even if you had an existing recognised condition 08:28 someone got a spare mace? 08:28 yeah, in some ways civilised but infected with a maligned work ethic 08:28 the game now wants me to enhance club 08:29 maces are just fancy clubs and morning stars are just maces with spikes 08:29 although they did make some truly massive two-handed morning stars 08:29 if that was true it would all be the same skill and I could enhance it 08:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Kni Hlf Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:43100 08:29 (well, I *can*, but I don't wanna) 08:30 NHINRL 08:36 [hdf-us] [fh] Ti (krm26) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 57400 points, T:20950, killed by a leocrotta 08:38 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Kni Hlf Mal Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:44503 08:44 <[Demo][srn]> why doesnt rodney have the book when he hops out of his tower? 08:44 <[Demo][srn]> what a dick 08:46 he should have it, strange 08:46 oh dnethack 08:46 maybe things are different 08:47 <[Demo][srn]> if he doesn't wantbook he's a shit wizard 08:48 he's already read it 08:48 <[Demo][srn]> heh 08:49 <[Demo][srn]> well now I have angry rodney and I still need the book 08:50 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 08:51 "Gods, I can't take it anymore. No reading material except this stupid ancient artifact and these 3 random spellbooks scattered around." 08:57 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:39395 09:00 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu) genocided class R, on T:39396 09:04 <[Demo][srn]> ok i figured out how to end this game 09:05 #quit? :-) 09:06 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:06 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 09:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 09:06 <[Demo][srn]> better :P 09:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Kni Hlf Mal Law) destroyed the invisible Center of All, on T:44962 09:11 <@Tone> Hmm I didn't realize I'd be able to play junethack tonight in my timezone 09:11 <@Tone> I'll probably wait til tomorrow anyways 09:11 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Kni Hlf Mal Law) averted death, on T:45013 09:14 <[Demo][srn]> wow i actually killed a dread seraph 09:14 <[Demo][srn]> i thought it was gonna kill me 09:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:41010 09:21 <[Demo][srn]> well i dont know what to do now other than escape 09:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Kni Hlf Mal Law) wished for "2 chunks of unrefined mithril", on T:45487 09:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Kni Hlf Mal Law) wished for "2 chunks of unrefined mithril", on T:45487 09:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Kni Hlf Mal Law) wished for "2 chunks of unrefined mithril", on T:45487 09:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Kni Hlf Mal Law) wished for "2 meatballs", on T:45488 09:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Kni Hlf Mal Law), 1359125 points, T:45495, escaped 09:26 <[Demo][srn]> ok cool now i got a clear slot for dnh 09:29 <[Demo][srn]> and i got my first dread seraph kill 09:29 .-. 09:30 ok? 09:30 why not ascended? 09:30 <[Demo][srn]> wayyy too much work 09:30 <[Demo][srn]> the long and short of it is that i had a shitty character 09:30 aha 09:30 <[Demo][srn]> i was a knight using a lance 09:30 <[Demo][srn]> a very powerful one 09:30 -!- Tangles_ has joined #hardfought 09:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles_] by ChanServ 09:30 <[Demo][srn]> so i need a steed 09:30 <[Demo][srn]> but the problem is dnh breaks steeds 09:30 <[Demo][srn]> they don't get a size bonus for carrying cap like you do 09:30 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:31 <[Demo][srn]> and tend to have a lower base carrying cap than you 09:31 <[Demo][srn]> AND my steed, a giant eagle, "the best steed", has a gaze attack 09:31 <[Demo][srn]> unfortunately gaze attacks are broken and they attack things through walls 09:31 <[Demo][srn]> which means the insanely OP demon gods of dnh hell which you usally fight by avoiding 09:32 <[Demo][srn]> but my steed made that impossible, he even woke up rodney from inside his tower 09:32 <[Demo][srn]> basically id be fucked when i got to the brine 09:32 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 09:34 <[Demo][srn]> fighting dnh demogorgon or lamashtu is not something I am down for 09:34 !lastgame 09:34 <[Demo][srn]> at least not as a knight 09:34 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 09:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 09:34 !lastgame 09:34 raisse\splat: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Demo/dnethack/dumplog/1514500158.dnh.txt 09:34 raisse\splat: [hdf-eu] (sorry, no dump exists for spl:Raisse) 09:34 raisse\splat: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/nethack4/dumplog/2018-05-30%2010%3A51%3A16%2C%20Grom-Cav-Gno-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt 09:35 grr, wanted to see what the message was that I missed 09:38 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:40 no dump exists? 09:41 hmm thats not right 09:41 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 09:41 hah i think i know why 09:41 one sec 09:42 dammit 09:42 yeah i can fix 09:43 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 19694 points, T:13092, killed by a leocrotta 09:45 fixed 09:46 missed a change in its sysconf 09:46 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:46 -!- winny has quit [Quit: 256 color restart] 09:46 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 09:47 <[Demo][srn]> so im thinking i might do a halfdragon binder 09:47 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 09:47 raisse\splat thank you, glad we caught this before junethack kickoff 09:47 !who 09:47 winny: [hdf-us] mightyquinn [sp] 09:47 winny: [hdf-eu] Grasshopper [nh361] 09:47 winny: [hdf-au] Tangles [nh4] 09:48 <[Demo][srn]> ok so this is neat 09:48 <[Demo][srn]> dnh half dragons still get unarmed bonus when polymorphed 09:48 Chris_ANG welcome back ;) 09:48 Hello :) 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-07 17:35 EDT: will you fix the loophole where #loot combined with a pet allows you to clear out shops too easily? 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-04-07 19:23 EDT: I hit the naiad with my mass-shadow pistol (myr ana) 3 times on as many turns. it 'collapsed into a puddle of water' but wasn't hurt and just kept going? finally got it when I couldn't see it in the corridor but shot it from behind 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from [Demo] at 2018-04-08 16:34 EDT: "The Iron Spoon of Liberation is ineffective against it. You strike the trapped it! You destroy it!" 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from Demo_ at 2018-04-11 08:10 EDT: there is a bug with the fire trap untrap code in that it only suggest potions of oil and not potions of water to untrap with 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-04-11 16:19 EDT: looks like bronze roundshields are still bugged (can't check atm but this build looks to be around a month old, but still dev .2), material is set wrong so they weigh a fuckton. just got mirrobright and my prist can't even pick it up 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-13 02:31 EDT: check_reseed() in rnd.c opens /dev/urandom and then calls fclose(fptr) even if opening the file failed for some reason, which results in a segfault when trying to run it on windows because /dev/urandom doesn't exist there. 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-13 06:50 EDT: awwwwwwww the encyclopedia has no information about stilettos :( 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-04-13 15:56 EDT: remember that firework cart thingy? looks like it happens with garos in plain dnh. explosions that caught some zombies in the lost tomb crashed :( 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-04-13 16:02 EDT: I think this is the same one that you talked about a bit in the dnh wiki bugs page, check there 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-13 16:35 EDT: I got a gift for you: a screenshot Let's Play of DNHslex at https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?723346-(Let-s-Play!)-Slash-EM-Extended-a-NetHack-fork&p=21820114#post21820114 - since the game is mostly still dnethack this may be very interesting for you, also contains some bug reports (#loot on tame nurses in particular) :) 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-04-13 17:31 EDT: can you make some way that intrinsic flight can be combined with getting things off the bottom? my half-dragon yesterday was screwed over by a shoggoth, it dropped my speed boots underwater whereI couldn't get them. 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-04-13 20:28 EDT: graz'zt can drain your xp on a failed save, but all of his death messages are typoed.. "speach" not "speech" 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from riker at 2018-04-13 20:42 EDT: request: blessed figs always become tame, uncursed always peaceful, and cursed always hostile 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-04-13 22:26 EDT: I made a PR re: treasure vaults just fyi in case you don't see it 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from [Demo] at 2018-04-16 16:32 EDT: projectiles (or other shit) thrown at aoas that lose enchantment produce no message 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-04-16 20:09 EDT: "Monks can't use two weapons at once" wut 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-04-16 20:37 EDT: can't remember if you fixed this but the flurioureiteityherete 8 don't work thrown, only sling 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from Demo_ at 2018-04-17 07:46 EDT: Astral crash that causes sigabrt exists on entering astral and on restore attempt I get an impossible("bad monster weapon restore") 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from Demo_ at 2018-04-17 08:12 EDT: there is an issue with astral where on the same turn you enter if you get an angel with a glowy "glaibe of shamsiel" type weapon that it is lit when you enter but it immediately stops and you get a message saying so 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from Demo_ at 2018-04-17 08:40 EDT: i think that .2 actually fixes the astral crash issue, nevermind 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-04-17 11:02 EDT: since i honestly don't remember if I told you this: can monk weapon gifts only give them weapons they've hit with? i.e. if I hit with a sickle it can now give me farm stuffs, hammer -> ogresmasher, etc. 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from [Demo] at 2018-04-18 16:41 EDT: seismic hammers are wishable by any old fucker 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-19 01:45 EDT: *Please* fix the broken recovery code. https://github.com/AmyBSOD/dnhslex/commit/3bf646a47afe6c1d2a9e77c952456b24eee64ecd - that should do the trick. 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from Demo_ at 2018-04-19 08:53 EDT: Horror AT_ARRW attacks might be a little bit broken, one of them attacked me with over 70 projectiles in one turn. 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-04-19 14:26 EDT: YOU DIDN"T FIX THE SEARING CRASH BUG FFS I JUST DIED WITH THE AMULET 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from riker at 2018-04-22 15:52 EDT: seriously? incs get like 2k nutrition but they still explode on overcharge? :( 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from riker at 2018-04-22 15:53 EDT: why not just makes incs get skilled in attack, healing and then no other skills? 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from rikersan at 2018-04-22 16:49 EDT: wtf blessed scroll of enchant weapon evaporates a +3 lightsaber? I'm not even sure it was blessed but it somehow just evap'ed it on the first enhcnat. this was the silver ones from the quest, it did this with _both_ sabers. 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from rikersan at 2018-04-22 16:52 EDT: ok then after asking Demo: bug, things evaporate when they shouldn't (and you read enchant wep scroll) 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from rikersan at 2018-04-22 18:12 EDT: vampire potions of blood arne't auto-ided at start like they should, probably same issue as teh dwarf knives/clubs 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-24 05:53 EDT: wtf, Lamashtu still doesn't have an encyclopedia entry? 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from rikersan at 2018-04-24 09:43 EDT: segfault on killing long worm? probably can't dealloc the tail bits idk 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from riker at 2018-04-24 18:12 EDT: weight/density for the material of the golden sword of yhatalla, it weighs almost 350 more in whip than sword (probably weird type mismatch with bullwhip base type, since they're leather). I think it's similar just not as bad for viperwhips, and it's just that gold weighs a lot. 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from riker at 2018-04-27 19:47 EDT: bug? possible to ID amulets of LS or reflection by trying to put them on pets (youc an only select those 2 kidns) 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from riker at 2018-04-27 19:53 EDT: strange attack error with dwarf queen polyform, probably something abotu the new offhand weapon rules for monsters 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from riker at 2018-04-29 14:30 EDT: dwarven nobleWOMEN have messed up gear lol and they start burdened 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from aosdict at 2018-05-04 11:43 EDT: Thanks for making separate commits for separate things. 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from riker at 2018-05-05 13:11 EDT: monster spell of sickness (not filth) seems to not have a monster in the death msg if you died after killing it 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from rikersan at 2018-05-09 16:01 EDT: idea: #fly command ala #swim to toggle flying. only really relavent for swimming but still useful 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-10 12:17 EDT: In 3.15.2, feeling itchy/relief still seems wonky. It happens when random unrelated things happen, e.g. when leveling up, even though I didn't change equipment... 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-10 12:24 EDT: it would be great if, when dipping a weapon into a potion coats it, you'd tell me *what the coating is* so I can name the potion accordingly ;) 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from [Demo] at 2018-05-18 15:18 EDT: You joust the quantum mechanic! You kill the quantum mechanic! The saddled Giant Eagle hits the quantum mechanic. 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-27 16:35 EDT: is there a reason why my incantifier knight can't eat the 7 +3 arrows? 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-27 16:36 EDT: wtf, and I can't eat the +2 Orcrist either??? yet I can eat my starting +1 long sword and lance... 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-27 17:02 EDT: ... something just seems very wrong. I would have been able to eat my +1 starting lance, but I polymorphed it into a +1 sickle and that refuses to be eaten now. 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-27 17:23 EDT: wtf, an "amm kamerel witness" is attacking my tame horse with a dagger and the horse isn't fighting back, even though it's clearly capable of moving around! what gives? 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-27 17:52 EDT: my incantifier had a stack of 2 tins and tried to eat one; it was blue jellies, and automatically got discarded. This should identify the other tin since it was in the same stack, but it didn't :( 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from [Demo][srn] at 2018-05-29 17:47 EDT: magicbane probe should increase study stack 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-05-30 11:38 EDT: iron first gifts for elves? something isn't right here 09:48 Chris_ANG: Message from @rikersan at 2018-05-30 13:47 EDT: carved artifacts (i.e. given as gift, see: carved Sting) can't be read 09:48 -!- Beholder has quit [Excess Flood] 09:48 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 09:49 -!- card.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ New server in Sydney, AU - one step closer to world domination :) 09:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 09:49 lol did beholder just get the boot? 09:49 . 09:49 hahaha 09:49 <[Demo][srn]> yeah i had a shit ton of messages for chris waiting 09:49 <[Demo][srn]> and you lead him into the ambush 09:49 and half of them are GONE cuz you overdid it 09:49 <[Demo][srn]> there should be more 09:49 i thought Tangles had added in a delay to prevent that 09:49 as it was prophecied, on the eve of junethack, Chris_ANG has returned in a storm of Beholder messages 09:49 you should start like an etherpad for all the notes you take 09:49 lol 09:50 <[Demo][srn]> ill just search history and put them in a patebin 09:50 http://etherpad.net/p/specialnotesfromdemoforchrisangy 09:51 its like the restaurant at the end of the universe 09:51 sarquon was it? 09:51 zarquon 09:51 I think 09:51 yeah 09:51 that looks right 09:52 <[Demo][srn]> Chris_ANG https://pastebin.com/raw/Zp4uaFwX 09:52 because why use a boring old s when you could use kool letter 09:52 letterz 09:52 oh hey Chris_ANG 09:52 <[Demo][srn]> idk if u have a file u store shit todo with dnh in but some of those might want to end up there 09:53 <[Demo][srn]> or u can ignore it i dont really care too much but then when i exploit things ive done my duty of reporting to dev :P 09:53 Chris_ANG, ready for junethack? 09:53 Chris_ANG::Demo 09:54 !lastgame 09:54 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mightyquinn/sporkhack/dumplog/1527687561.sp.txt 09:54 K2: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/C/ChiefGreyBush/splicehack/dumplog/1527774765.splice.txt 09:54 K2: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/nethack4/dumplog/2018-05-30%2010%3A51%3A16%2C%20Grom-Cav-Gno-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt 09:55 @stennowork: Maybe. I think I have the unfinished portions of 3.16 locked off (leaving just the neutral quest inclusions that have been finished) 09:55 But I need to test it. 09:55 alright 09:59 "angy" 10:04 <[Demo][srn]> hmm.. for a perma orc of the ages of stars binder im thinking incant might actually not be easier than hfd 10:05 i actually predicted the access flood a few days ago 10:06 2018, the year when stennowork was right 10:07 hi Chris_ANG! you were in my clan last junethack, do you want to join us again? :) 10:09 I'll be afk for a little bit now but once I come back I'll gladly invite you! 10:09 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 10:10 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 10:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 10:10 !asc winsalot 10:10 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] winsalot has not ascended in 3 games. 10:10 bug_sniper: [hdf-eu] winsalot has ascended 3 times in 573 games (0.52%): 4k:1 (1.25%), fh:2 (0.51%) 10:10 !asc winny 10:10 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] winny has not ascended in 59 games. 10:11 i migght ascend my current game 10:12 if you want to copy every file you locate, does that mean cp | locate foo, or does it mean locate foo | cp 10:14 didn't get it, but only 1 arti in my game so far (afaik!) 10:15 <[Demo][srn]> hmm its looking like orc of the ages of stars miska hfd binder is the way to go 10:17 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Bar Ang Fem Law) averted death, on T:28348 10:20 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Bar Ang Fem Law), 612141 points, T:28352, drowned in a moat by a kimono girl 10:25 alright it's locate first, piped into cp (or rsync) 10:26 trying locate -r 'home.*\.iso$' | xargs rsync -av /media/stuff/isofiles/ 10:26 Grassy: huh... that should have been guaranteed... maybe Grayswandir itself was already generated in your game somewhere? O_o 10:26 Grasswandir 10:27 nothing worse than artifacts being generated when you don't want them. >_< 10:27 aren't the messages different between "arti already exists" and "too many other artis already exist in this game"? 10:27 K2bane 10:27 (that would be beans) 10:28 what is the base item of K2bane? 10:28 beer 10:28 no 10:28 base item would be a lima bean since its a 'bane' 10:28