00:00 Pavel\ito: Have you read http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/games/nhid.html ? 00:00 note that with RNG exploits, an easily observable source of random numbers can potentially break the game in some cases 00:00 Pinkbeast: I think it'd be nice if NetHack's ID were somehow less regimented 00:00 things like identifying wands is basically a solved problem 00:00 ais523: So do I! But there's a lot to do to get there from here. 00:00 Pinkbeast: I have, but in practice I'm too lazy to keep it in mind and visit relevant wiki pages instead. 00:01 Pinkbeast: right, if I knew a good way to do it I'd probably have done it already 00:01 There's always going to be a regimented, totally risk-free, ?oID-free way to identify items. 00:01 Even if that way is "don't use anything because it might be really bad and there's no way of knowing". 00:01 well, Rogue does it so that many items are wasted unless you ID them during combat 00:01 And players will follow that way. 00:02 ais523: FWIW one quaff-IDs sometimes in that _other_ roguelike with Sigmund not just because ID is in very short supply but because the potions have actual value as combat buffs 00:02 even in NetHack, the early game sometimes has "emergency use-ID" where you're in a lost situation so you use-ID random items in the hope they'll help 00:02 Not just "potions of desperation" (which actually work significantly often) but because knowing early you have a stack of heal wounds or might or whatever has real value 00:02 you could make it so that item classes are more biased, e.g. creating items that you generally want to use on enemies 00:03 yeah there aren't that many temp buff potions in nethack... speed, and...? 00:03 levitation but that's highly situational 00:03 not sure I'd call that a buff 00:03 polymorph but that's even more situational 00:03 (in that without an =oPC equipped it's more likely to hurt than help) 00:04 Quite. Practically every NetHack potion is an asset for the endgame (hem-hem except when you finish with 30 HW like I do) and quaff-IDing it just squanders it when there will be plenty of ID later 00:04 YANI: blessed !oPoly lets you choose the form to polymorph into 00:04 that's been suggested before 00:04 actually did I implement that? 00:04 *YAI: 00:04 no, it was for teleports. 00:05 YAI sounds like an orcish war cry 00:05 Pavel\ito: FWIW I don't _do_ all that stuff, I just wrote it down. But I do recommend the bits I do do over quaff-ID. 00:05 selective ID sources like ?oID, I normally use on rings or scrolls 00:06 potions aren't valuable enough to identify, usually (and the useful ones tend to get IDed by monsters) 00:06 ais523: I guess you're in a world without full ID from bSoID? I think even then I'd expect price-ID and the aforementioned monsters to sort it nearly all out. 00:07 I play very quickly, there's no guarantee of ever hitting the 1/5 chance of a full-ID with the limited number of ?oID I get in a gamea 00:07 Junethack: New user verynotbhaak registered! https://junethack.net/user/verynotbhaak 00:07 Monsters> and dipping, (a)pply-ID, etc 00:07 Pinkbeast: In xnethack, I removed full inventory ID from scrolls. Now it's a constant number determined by the beatitude, and it seems to have been received positively. 00:07 aosdict: So I saw! I think it's an excellent idea. 00:08 Also removed spellbook of ID 00:08 Less incentive to hoard, hoard, hoard. 00:08 well, the spellbook removal goes in the opposite direction somewhat and was motivated by my philosophy 00:08 Also spares you those boring gymnastics at your stash where you carefully fit 51 unidentified items into main inventory 00:09 yes 00:10 can you remove stashing altogether? 00:10 So why'd you remove the spellbook? 00:10 aosdict: I think b?oID should identify each item in inventory and in containers with a fixed probability (maybe 20-30%), with a minimum number of identifies guaranteed 00:13 One of these years I must write nhid-361 :-/ 00:13 ais523: but then you still have the incentive to hoard, hoard, hoard because you _might_ get a full ID on your first go 00:14 Angband underwent a transformation from "some potions kill you stone dead" to "use-ID strongly promoted" in recent years, so it could be done. 00:14 the potion of death was something of an outlier 00:14 did it work on monsters, incidentally? 00:14 Detonations could kill you too IIRC 00:15 Pavel\ito: The short version is: Pw is cheap, once you can cast identify with cheap renewable Pw, you can effectively identify everything given enough time, this ruins the entire point of having an ID game for those that learn the spell. 00:15 * Pavel\ito doesn't like the ID game 00:15 aosdict: I'd like to start by fixing the ID game for non-spellcasters, because that's a constant 00:15 once we have that working we can work out if we want spellcasters to interact with it specially 00:15 It's a while but I don't remember that you could use potions on monsters in Angband _at all_ 00:16 And yeah, detonations couldn't be safely quaff-IDed until quite late in the game 00:17 hmm, I guess a good start would be to add several potions which were useful in an emergency situation no matter how you used them 00:17 the potion of descent from Brogue is a good example, it causes the drinker or (if thrown) target to fall through the floor (plus some other stuff because it's Brogue, but that's the basic idea) 00:18 one way or another, that's going to break up a fight 00:18 it's a bit weird flavourwise but you could come up with other items with similar properties 00:18 Making healing potions more useful as immediate-action items and less (not at all?) useful as a giant stack of potential max HP... 00:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:30490 00:19 Immediate action> although the spectre of inventory item destruction does hang over this. 00:19 Pavel\ito: In general, I am taking aim at the class of game balance problems that arise from the hero's capability to settle down in one area, perhaps locked in a closet, where food is no issue (large stockpile or slow digestion), maybe with an altar nearby 00:20 Pinkbeast: the only reason to quaff healing potions for max HP is to save their weight 00:20 you're very unlikely to die in a single turn in NetHack, so you may as well quaff them in combat and get the max HP boost and heal at the same time, when it's useful 00:20 ais523: I think of PoFH (like AoLS) as part of max HP in this sense. 00:20 don't think I can finish this game today, too tired from biking 00:21 Pinkbeast: heh, another person who uses the "amulet of full healing" mental shorthand :-D 00:21 At least push The Lizard of Yendor as a hallu monster 00:21 Pavel\ito: I didn't actually add it. It's on the todo list and will be added the next time I do a big batch of hallumon/other dat stuff additions. 00:21 Ah 00:22 YANI: Add all of Slex's monsters as hallumons 00:22 No sense having lots of small scattered commits for cosmetic stuff. 00:22 If healing and extra healing scaled with XL and FH was removed the situation would be greatly improved (especially if diluted EH had a lesser maxHP effect such that there was clearly no utility in alchemising H for potential max HP later) 00:22 nethack-tas-tools (which adds a large number of cheat codes and the like) has "lizard mode" 00:22 it's like a reverse wizard mode, you can turn it on during wizard mode and it removes all your wizard powerse 00:23 so it lets you test to make sure that, once you've set up a situation using wizard powers, your plan for dealing with it will work without them 00:24 aosdict: If I need to do something minor I generally like to just tack it onto some other change. 00:24 -!- lorimer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:25 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 00:26 -!- qdesjardin has joined #hardfought 00:29 -!- NewbProgrammer10 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 00:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] satchmo (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15355 00:34 -!- qdesjardin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 00:34 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 00:34 -!- qdesjardin has joined #hardfought 00:35 -!- qdesjardin has quit [Client Quit] 00:35 -!- qdesjardin has joined #hardfought 00:36 -!- amelie__ has joined #hardfought 00:36 -!- amelie__ has quit [Client Quit] 00:38 -!- AmelieBoudelia has joined #hardfought 00:38 -!- qdesjardin has quit [Client Quit] 00:39 -!- AmelieBoudelia_ has joined #hardfought 00:39 -!- AmelieBoudelia_ has quit [Client Quit] 00:41 -!- AmelieBoudelia has quit [Client Quit] 00:42 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 00:42 -!- a_boudelia_ has joined #hardfought 00:42 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Client Quit] 00:44 -!- a_boudelia_ has quit [Client Quit] 00:45 -!- QueenDairy has joined #hardfought 00:51 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 00:55 yasi: host one nethack server on each node in planetlab 00:56 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:12 -!- [Demo][srn] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Val Gia Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:15087 01:26 oops 01:26 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 01:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 01:28 -!- raisse\splat is now known as raisse 01:29 woot won the tengu lottery 01:31 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Val Gia Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed ring of free action and reflection", on T:15608 01:33 free action *and* reflection! 01:33 grunthack special ;) 01:34 as a giant i cant wear body armor, tshirts or cloaks so I have to get creative with the wishes 01:37 K2, can you also use boots of speed and magic resistance? 01:38 you cant wish for MR as a property 01:38 a very common boots wish is dragonhide water walking boots of speed 01:39 does the dragonhide give resistance itself? 01:39 I suppose it's very light and naturally fooproof 01:39 raisse yes 01:39 and how about a helmet of astral vision and see invisible? 01:39 and wicked amount of AC 01:40 astral vision is also not allowed as a wishable property 01:40 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Object_properties 01:40 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 01:42 so, a helmet of clarvoyance and oilskin works 01:44 yup 01:44 mind falyers begone 01:44 flayers 01:44 ugh 01:44 and what is it you want to wish for to deal with beholders? 01:45 @g?beholder 01:45 beholder (e) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 3 | Res: cold | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Attacks: 0d0 gaze slow, 2d25 gaze sleep, 0d0 gaze disintegrate, 0d0 gaze petrification, 2d4 gaze cancellation, 2d4 bite physical | Alignment: -10 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, mindless, nopoly, infravisible 01:45 <@luxidream> scroll of genocide 01:45 <@luxidream> towel 01:45 I was thinking reflection would work 01:46 also, their level is really low for how dangerous they are don't you think? 01:46 actually, nevermind I just noticed they generate in gehennom 01:46 <@luxidream> "also note that none of its attacks respect reflection 01:46 <@luxidream> : 01:47 <@luxidream> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Beholder_(monster) 01:47 then your wish won't help you that much, k2 01:48 the grunthack beholder has been updated 01:48 what beholder just reported is false 01:48 lvl 18 now 01:49 bug_sniper in grunthack my first genocide is usually beholders 01:49 yeah, good choice 01:50 and no they wouldnt just spawn in gehennom 01:50 they would start appearing as early as dlvl 10 01:50 hence the bump up in monster lvl 01:52 -!- QueenDairy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 01:53 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 01:59 -!- raisse is now known as raisse\splat 02:08 gnite all 02:46 Junethack: New clan DepartmentOfVacuuming created! https://junethack.net/clan/DepartmentOfVacuuming 02:50 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 03:11 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:12 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 03:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 03:12 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:12 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 03:15 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:17 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 03:23 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:45 Junethack: New user weirdvic registered! https://junethack.net/user/weirdvic 03:58 <@Winsalot> What is nh13d? 03:59 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:59 nethack 1.3d, the first nethack version ever released in 1987 04:00 the version scheme back then was weird 04:51 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 05:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:21782 05:16 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 05:19 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:24 Junethack: New user Dins registered! https://junethack.net/user/Dins 05:41 demons giving you a hard time? 05:41 raisse\splat: Message from Grasshopper at 2018-05-29 22:19 EDT: Could you please extend and invitation for me to join #teamsplat? 05:41 yes. 05:47 [hdf-us] [dyn] halp (Luxidream) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 521750 points, T:50335, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dynahack/dumplog/2018-05-30%2005_47_29%2C%20halp-Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20ascended.txt 05:51 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:51 grats 05:51 @luxidream 05:51 <@luxidream> thanks 05:51 <@luxidream> I should not be up this late 05:52 its not late, its noon here! 05:52 <@luxidream> it's like morning in the US 05:54 then you're not up late, but early! 05:58 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:23482 06:04 -!- hpardis has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:08 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:20 !who 06:20 winny: [hdf-us] winny [nh361] 06:20 winny: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nh13d] Grasshopper [nh361] Raisse [nh361] 06:20 winny: [hdf-au] Tangles [nh4] 06:21 go team ant! woo! 06:21 should i open a PR to fix Beholder's color formatting 06:21 that's sort of distracting lol 06:22 also wow github search is so bad 06:22 it doesn't appear to use my followers at all 06:27 ### FEM ### 06:37 the ghost of empty string 06:37 it was actually my own ghost 06:40 Yeah I think the bones name is not going into the livelog properly. 06:41 -!- [Demo][srn] has joined #hardfought 06:41 yep. 06:43 !tell bhaak bones_killed field in nethack 1.3d livelog contains garbage, instead of actual bones name. 06:43 Will do, Tangles! 06:43 Junethack: New user fits registered! https://junethack.net/user/fits 06:43 winny: What is wrong with the colour formatting? 06:44 i think it's using the wrong escapes - \x03 only resets color, i think u want \x0F 06:45 haha same hill-orc twice. 06:45 -!- attie is now known as attie\ito 06:51 ...and the ffkk room in college town had a kitten, the two kobold shamen, and, closest to the door, a panther. 07:00 Tangles: u see the boldness in those lines 07:01 think i might test with hexchat, maybe weechat is just bad at this 07:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism by offering an orc-captain corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:8832 07:03 -!- winnytest has joined #hardfought 07:03 !who 07:03 winnytest: [hdf-us] hypnotist [nh361] Eleven [nh361] 07:03 winnytest: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nh13d] Grasshopper [nh361] 07:03 winnytest: [hdf-au] Tangles [nh4] 07:05 -!- winnytest1 has joined #hardfought 07:05 !who 07:05 winnytest1: [hdf-us] hypnotist [nh361] Eleven [nh361] 07:05 winnytest1: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nh13d] Grasshopper [nh361] 07:05 winnytest1: [hdf-au] Tangles [nh4] 07:10 Tangles: yeah it looks like weechat is doing something strange: https://ptpb.pw/gb6o.png 07:15 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:27868 07:19 !who 07:19 winny: [hdf-us] hypnotist [nh361] Eleven [nh361] 07:19 winny: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nh13d] Grasshopper [nh361] 07:19 winny: [hdf-au] Tangles [nh4] 07:22 -!- stennowork is now known as stennowork\ito 07:29 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 07:29 !who 07:29 winny: [hdf-us] hypnotist [nh361] 07:29 winny: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nh13d] Grasshopper [nh361] 07:29 winny: [hdf-au] Tangles [nh4] 07:38 winny: I see... in weechat everything after and including [nh13d] is bold. That is strange. 07:39 i am notsure what is going on 07:39 i'm not sure how to test the bot either since it appears to require site specific directories to use !who lol 07:39 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 07:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 07:42 now I've given myself +I as well 07:42 er, wrong channel 07:46 !who 07:46 winny: [hdf-us] hypnotist [nh361] winny [zapm] 07:46 winny: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nh13d] Grasshopper [nh361] 07:46 winny: [hdf-au] Tangles [nh4] 07:47 Tangles: this is py2 right? 07:52 -!- winnytest1 has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:53 i think weechat is shitting itself 07:54 -!- winnytest123 has joined #hardfought 07:54 !who 07:54 winnytest123: [hdf-us] hypnotist [nh361] winny [zapm] 07:54 winnytest123: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nh13d] Grasshopper [nh361] 07:54 winnytest123: [hdf-au] Tangles [nh4] 07:54 more interesting weechat on my local machine displays it correctly 07:54 -!- winnytest123 has quit [Client Quit] 07:55 -!- winston has joined #hardfought 07:55 !who 07:55 winston: [hdf-us] hypnotist [nh361] winny [zapm] 07:55 winston: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nh13d] Grasshopper [nh361] 07:55 winston: [hdf-au] Tangles [nh4] 07:55 -!- winston is now known as Guest23705 07:55 argh 07:55 in tmux with the same client it doesn't cooperate 08:10 -!- Guest23705 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 08:19 -!- winny1234 has joined #hardfought 08:19 !who 08:19 winny1234: [hdf-us] hypnotist [nh361] 08:19 winny1234: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nh13d] Raisse [nh361] Grasshopper [nh361] 08:19 winny1234: [hdf-au] Tangles [nh4] 08:20 -!- winny1234 has quit [Client Quit] 08:33 winny: Yeah python 2.7 is what runs it. WOuld probably run in python 3.x without too much change 08:33 I'd say what you're seeing is a terminal issue though. 08:34 yeah 08:34 talking with weechat peoples 08:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 08:36 -!- LarienTelrunya is now known as AmyBSOD\srn 08:38 how do I read a spellbook in 1.3d? 08:39 (also it's strange to start a game with all the usual wizard stuff but still unknown) 08:39 raisse\splat: X 08:39 and to cast u do # cast 08:39 thanks 08:39 afaict 08:39 u can list spells with x 08:40 . 08:40 AmyBSOD\srn: Message from @Winsalot at 2018-05-29 18:37 EDT: It would be ironic if will I end up getting more slex trophies than you, wouldn't it? ❀ 08:40 @Winsalot: well if you do manage to score a significant number of slex trophies I'll be impressed :P good luck! 08:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11679 08:42 -!- APic has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:44 !tell Tariru I've read in the backscroll that you don't want to join a clan who's going to win anyway? then the nymphets are *exactly* the clan for you, because most of us are casual players; if you were with us, it might just give us enough of an edge to be able to compete with the other clans! I'd be honored to have you in my team :) 08:44 Will do, AmyBSOD\srn! 08:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] dizzylizzy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 24 points, T:6, killed by a newt 08:48 in slex nymphs start with a ball and chain... can I ask why? 08:49 yes, it's kind of a reversal of the normal nymph's ability to remove iron balls. I figured the nymph race is already quite powerful due to her item-stealing ability, so I decided to give her this downside :D 08:52 gootcha! :) 08:54 [Demo][srn]: the acu is partly implemented in the slex development version now and I think it's great! many thanks for making the original version :) and the mason role will be there too and it's also going to be great! 09:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] dizzylizzy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 773 points, T:1389, killed by a dwarf 09:02 Junethack: New clan futapanda created! https://junethack.net/clan/futapanda 09:02 Junethack: New user IceGuye registered! https://junethack.net/user/IceGuye 09:04 Tangles: https://gist.github.com/466f2cc74b9a9a35cfff5ef140752687 - https://ptpb.pw/ZNED.png 09:08 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 09:08 looks like tmux has issues 09:08 with color rendering 09:15 i think it's really a weechat issue 09:15 but tmux-256color seems to fix it 09:15 since \x0311nh13d\x03 never sets bold and resets color 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13632 09:20 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 09:21 -!- raisse\splat is now known as Guest38634 09:21 -!- Guest38634 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:21 -!- raisse is now known as raisse\splat 09:22 turns out replacing \x03 with \x0F at the end of all the strings also fixes it 09:22 easy enough to fix on our end 09:23 not sure if all irc clients respect \x0F instead of \x03\x0F 09:23 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 09:32 hmm ok. Thanks winny. 09:37 yup, good catch winny 09:38 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 09:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 09:38 another example of OCD for the win 09:38 if my irc client showed that, it'd drive me nuts 09:39 raisse\splat, I'm blocked out of #teamsplat again :C 09:40 that's probably because I gave you too narrow an +I 09:41 once you're in I'll fix that 09:41 ok in now 09:42 I wish I knew how to see the invite list 09:44 you should be able to check user flags 09:44 Pavel\ito: [backscroll] Then people hunting down the minor change in the future will hate you, and say "why on earth does this totally unrelated commit contain this change, and why is it completely undocumented" 09:44 /msg chanserv flags #teamsplat 09:44 or something like that 09:45 re that weechat issue: i'm really just cross because the weechat devs were adamant it's a tmux related issue, but it really doesn't appear so, because there was never a emboldening escape in my PoC, so it clearly didn't reset the color with the appropriate terminfo capability 09:46 stennowork\ito: that doesn't show the invite list 09:46 at most i'd call it tmux exacerbated issue, as tmux uses a terminfo that isn't a 1:1 correspondance to its actual capabilities 09:46 only people who have the power to invite (+i) not who have a standing invitation (+I) 09:47 i thought +I was permanent invite 09:47 yes, it is, but it doesn't show in flags 09:47 strange 09:47 and when you call invite without any parameters? 09:47 (and I really need that list because there are at least two people on it with a typo in their name) 09:48 "insufficient parameters" 09:48 hmpf 09:48 sorry, no idea then 09:48 and if I do "invite list" it tries to invite list, and says it doesn't exist 09:48 (like "access list") 09:49 raisse\splat, try /mode #teamsplat +I 09:49 the ghost of who? 09:50 stennowork\ito: oh thank you! that works! 09:50 yay 09:51 it was the ghost of me! 09:53 that was also the ghost of me. 09:53 interesting, I didn't know that the bones file system went as far back as 1.3d 09:54 now I can also remove the typo entries with /mode #teamsplat -I 09:54 Tangles: u want me to send a pr btw, i can save you the trouble 09:54 i can't test unfortunately (but i did test in my poc bot) 09:55 *sigh* 09:55 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:55 nh13d is pretty unforgiving honenstly :D 09:56 it's sort of like raw nethack 09:57 uncooked! 10:00 with no safety latch! 10:00 -!- Guest13947 is now known as Lynn 10:01 I keep getting fazed by the L and O (which are just leppies and orcs) 10:01 -!- Lynn is now known as Guest31035 10:01 don't forget J 10:05 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 10:05 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:06 yeah, the J freaks me out 10:09 what's J? 10:09 jelly/ 10:09 ? 10:11 -!- raisse is now known as raisse\splat 10:12 jackal 10:12 hah 10:15 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 10:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 10:15 very dangerous :D 10:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:35391 10:15 om nom nom 10:16 Tangles: not sure if u got my last message because ping timeout - I can author a PR if you want me to with the suggested fix, I tested it with my simple irc PoC bot, but won't be able to run beholder locally afaict 10:16 let's goooooo 10:16 gogogogogo 10:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:35420 10:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:35420 10:17 gl 10:17 really, he had no tact spawning right when I was about to take the DL1 upstairs like that 10:18 rude 10:18 -!- winnytest has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:19 I plan to actually use scrolls of fire and stinking cloud on this one 10:20 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:20 !tell Tangles not sure if u got my last message because ping timeout - I can author a PR if you want me to with the suggested fix, I tested it with my simple irc PoC bot, but won't be able to run beholder locally afaict 10:20 Will do, winny! 10:20 YANI: all scrolls and spellbooks in inventory are destroyed every turn on the Plane of Fire. This prevents usual gold detection shenanigans. 10:20 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 10:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 10:21 in unnethack, portal detection doesn't work 10:21 on the planes 10:21 it also doesn't work elsewhere :-) 10:21 bhaak: Message from Tangles at 2018-05-30 06:43 EDT: bones_killed field in nethack 1.3d livelog contains garbage, instead of actual bones name. 10:22 and elsewhere :P 10:22 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 10:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:35513 10:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 jumping boots", on T:35538 10:24 jump around, jump around! 10:25 just noticed, no livelog for the different planes 10:25 that would get a bit spammy 10:25 I think dnh does it and I think that's spammy 10:25 shrug 10:26 found a bug, yay 10:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:35556 10:29 wait how lucky were you on water 10:29 25 turns? 10:29 pretty lucky 10:29 25 turns sounds about right given that I was very fast 10:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:35587 10:37 wasn't me, was a conflicted angel 10:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:35590 10:39 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 10:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 10:39 stinking cloud is actually quite good for keeping down the hordes of summon insects 10:39 eh 10:39 its not that they're much of a threat 10:39 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper_ 10:40 they get in the way, which is enough 10:40 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1916498 points, T:35603, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/aosdict/xnethack/dumplog/1527256633.xnh.txt 10:41 And at last... I have ascended all races. 10:42 <@Tone> 'grats πŸ˜„ 10:42 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 10:43 as well as my first xnh asc, heh 10:44 <@Tone> Learn anything playing through it? 10:45 <@rikersan> > an uncursed lizard corpse named The Lizard of Yendor 10:45 found a couple bugs 10:45 @rikersan Yesterday I botched the invocation ritual and raised the dead with the book of the dead 10:45 <@rikersan> YASI: artifat lizard corpses that blocks stoning while carried, #invoke to polymorph into a lizard 10:45 congrats aosdict! 10:45 the lizard of yendor reanimated as a live lizard named the Lizard of Yendor 10:45 it was hilarious 10:45 <@rikersan> lol 10:46 all my lizard corpses are named that 10:46 grats aosdict! 10:46 raisse\splat: yes I think I got it from you 10:46 yes, congrats aosdict! 10:46 grats aosdict 10:46 and Pavel\ito convinced me to add that as a hallumon 10:46 wow yes 10:47 <@rikersan> !pom 10:47 @rikersan: The moon is full for 2 more days. 10:47 junethack blue moon time 10:47 yes! 10:50 thanks all 10:52 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 10:53 <@rikersan> do lances rust? 10:53 <@rikersan> yep 10:53 come to xnh, we have mithril lances 10:54 the nh13d messages are ... interesting. 10:56 there was a trap door in the shop! 10:56 how convenient 10:56 indeed 10:56 did you steal stuff you wanted? 10:57 well, I had 2 suits of armor in my hands when I fell, one of them was +1 studded leather 10:57 so not too shabby 10:58 but then I died trying to get Excalibur 10:58 1.3d is pre-DSM, right? 10:58 afaik yes 10:58 yes 10:58 there are basically no magical armours 10:58 -!- deki has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:59 a wizard starts with an elven cloak and no weapons at all! 10:59 yeah, and unidentified scrolls and wands 10:59 <@rikersan> how do you read spellbooks in 1.3d? 10:59 X 10:59 X 10:59 and then x to see your list, and #cast to... cast 11:00 <@rikersan> kk 11:00 sometimes it looks so much like ordinary nethack that my muscle memory takes over, sometimes it's a completely different game 11:00 and this is WAY before the wizard patch, so spells are crappy? 11:01 <@rikersan> how do youname things? 11:01 c 11:01 you don't, I think 11:01 <@rikersan> kk 11:01 <@rikersan> thanks elenmirie 11:02 cn to name a class, cy to name an item 11:02 yw 11:02 <@rikersan> huh, found conflict 11:02 oh, and C to name a monster 11:02 -!- NewbProgrammer10 has joined #hardfought 11:02 <@rikersan> ah thanks 11:03 <@rikersan> dang stuff is expensiv 11:04 <@rikersan> wow, shoplifitng is easy 11:04 <@rikersan> just tele the stuff you want 11:05 you can test wands in shops, they don't charge for it 11:06 [hdf-us] [nh13d] rikersan (Kni Mal), 2100 points, T:2456, the ghost of Demo 11:06 <@rikersan> wait, is there no such thing as BUC? 11:06 <@rikersan> huh 11:06 nope 11:06 there is holy water, but it's not necessarily a clear potion 11:06 <@rikersan> I always thougth that was kinda the original nethack feature 11:07 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 11:07 clear is random with the rest 11:07 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 11:07 this is great 11:07 K2: btw, was just thinking, are the ssh host key fingerprints anywhere publically? 11:07 its either old timers relearning how to play nethack all over again, or ppl newer to the game learning a brand new 'variant' 11:07 winny yes 11:07 !help 11:07 K2: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack 11:08 nice 11:08 its also on each servers 'server info' page via dgl 11:08 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:08 option s 11:08 <@rikersan> who runs junethack? 11:08 bhaak 11:08 loool 11:08 aaaaand you made me say his name 11:08 it works 11:08 2 more times and bad things will happen 11:08 but that seems ironic, providing fingerprints over the service you're to verify them against 11:09 but it works!! 11:09 winny heh yeah 11:09 :P 11:09 <@rikersan> k2 you have to stand in front of a mirror remember 11:09 oh 11:09 what if I decide to emulate a chicken and say "bawk bawk bawk" but pronounce it bhaak? 11:09 <@rikersan> hm, I guess this discord thing is technically a mirror of IRC chat ;p 11:09 well... still dangerous 11:10 <@rikersan> anyway, with junethack it might be interesting to revive this: http://www.massivelymultiplayerdemocracy.com/nethack 11:10 <@rikersan> it's that "twitch plays nethack" thing, it's been dead for a while 11:10 who would do that when there are junethack trophies to get! 11:11 winny love it you're so excited about the ssh public fingerprints 11:11 K2: it might be nice to provide the new format for fingerprints too, compare with https://ascension.run/fingerprint 11:12 K2: if you really want to go crazy, u could add _TXT entries for fingerprint verification via DNS 11:12 yeah i'm using md5 hash, it fits the page 11:12 that's fair 11:12 <@Tone> How would anything get done in twitch plays nethack 11:12 ooh dns verification 11:13 <@Tone> It must have some kind of structure to it 11:13 Did Junethack start? 11:13 <@rikersan> @Tone same thing w/ twitch plays ___ really 11:13 <@rikersan> not yep but signups are open 11:13 Hm? 11:13 <@rikersan> it starts in june :p 11:13 Ok. 11:13 NewbProgrammer10 soon 11:13 it's pretty easy to set up manually, would add another inconvienent step if you have to change them for some reason 11:13 june 1st at midnight UTC 11:13 Can't wait to ascend for real. 11:13 may 31st 8pm EST 11:14 speaking of which is there an alternate NS i can use because namecheap sucks 11:14 maybe i should use cloudflare 11:14 Ok. Awesome. 11:14 i don't mind paying namecheap, but their NS hosting is really terribad 11:14 winny i use no-ip 11:14 <@Tone> @rikersan well a lot of the other twitch plays games only have a few buttons. With nethack I'd assume most inputs would be invalid 11:14 their SOA records have very long lifespans so it's difficult to add new records unless i have the foresight to add them at least 24 hours before 11:15 <@Tone> Although if there were only a few viewers it probably wouldn't be awful 11:15 <@rikersan> @Tone you can get out the website, it's basically "input commands, people vote, at the end of the timer the one with the most votes is executed" 11:15 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 11:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 11:15 <@Tone> Ah, interesting 11:19 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:32 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 11:32 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Val Gia Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:18360 11:34 K2: fwiw it looks like it is slightly nontrivial to get back a MD5 of the reported fingerprint on newer ssh: https://superuser.com/questions/929566/sha256-ssh-fingerprint-given-by-the-client-but-only-md5-fingerprint-known-for-se 11:36 slightly, not really 11:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Elf-Wiz Elf Mal Cha) was given Magicbane, on T:1492 11:37 <@rikersan> aw yiss, first sac 11:38 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG iron first gifts for elves? something isn't right here 11:38 Will do, @rikersan! 11:38 thansk winny 11:38 thanks 11:42 <@Winsalot> Do people usually create new accounts for junethack, or use their main ones? 11:42 <@rikersan> main ons 11:43 <@Tone> Most use their main account 11:43 wew never seen three different people speak through rld at once before 11:43 <@Tone> I've used alternate accounts in the past when I had an active streak and knew I would be doing some risky games 11:44 I use an account called aosdictj so that I can play crazily without ruining my asc percentages 11:44 <@Tone> Like in 2016 when I didn't lose any games anyways πŸ˜… 11:44 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 11:45 How does one not lose a game all year without being Tariru 11:45 <@Tone> I just meant junethack 2016 11:45 play one game per year. win it. 11:45 Plan B: a lot of dwarven valkyries 11:45 <@Tone> And I joined late so it was like 3 games in two weeks 11:46 Plan C: be Marvin. 11:46 <@Tone> Included a conduct and speed run though 11:46 play 3 games of slex and ascend them all :P 11:46 <@Tone> Very light conduct and speed games, at least 11:48 holy reverse text batman! 11:48 that's a strange name for a valkyrie! 11:49 it was my ghost, again 11:49 <@Tone> aosdict Apparently I played one game in 2012... and won 11:49 <@Tone> So your theory checks out :P 11:50 <@Tone> Also went 3/3 in 2009, but died with the amulet on New Years Day 2010 11:50 !asc Tone 11:50 Pavel\ito: [hdf-us] No games for Tone. 11:51 <@Tone> Pavel: Those games were greqrg on NAO 11:51 <@Tone> Not sure what my hdf stats are 11:51 !asc greqrg 11:51 K2: [hdf-us] greqrg has not ascended in 2 games. 11:51 <@Tone> !asc greqrg 11:51 @Tone: [hdf-us] greqrg has not ascended in 2 games. 11:52 <@Tone> Doesn't count devnull I guess 11:52 <@Tone> !asc tonelive 11:52 @Tone: [hdf-us] tonelive has ascended 1 times in 1 games (100.00%): nh361:1 (100.00%) 11:52 hmm 11:52 i would think it should count the devnull tribute 11:52 i will have a look 11:53 TIL you forget spells over time 11:53 I'm surprised it took me so long to figure out 11:54 In the mists of time it was with uses. Learn one early (if you can) so it can be forgotten so you can confuse yourself on demand. 11:54 * Pavel\ito reads xnh docs hoping aosdict changed that 11:54 Pavel\ito: want to know a spoiler 11:55 Sure 11:55 slashem makes it so that if you cast a spell a lot, it stays in memory for a longer time ;) 11:55 Pavel\ito: 1,1completely forgotten spells are a good way to confuse yourself for when needing to read scrolls confused 11:55 !asc stenno 11:55 stennowork\ito: [hdf-us] stenno has not ascended in 1 games. 11:55 stennowork\ito: [hdf-eu] stenno has ascended 1 times in 5 games (20.00%): xnh:1 (50.00%) 11:55 !asc 11:55 winny: [hdf-us] winny has not ascended in 56 games. 11:55 aaaaaaaa 11:55 need that ascend 11:56 <@Tone> Junethack is a great time for it πŸ˜„ 11:56 gunna get a pregame ascend 11:56 Pavel\ito: if I removed forgetting spells, do you know how many complaints I'd have to deal with about "waaah I don't have free confusion-on-demand anymore"? 11:56 completed medusa, missing a few intrinsics, probably gunna do quest first anyway 11:57 <@Tone> I usually use potions to gain confusion. Forgotten spells are very convenient though 11:58 actually that is making me rethink if it's such a good idea to have confusion on demand in the first place 11:58 the other trick is a cursed unicorn horn (be sure to have a non-cursed one handy too, because it can make you fatally ill) 11:59 or you can drink booze 11:59 aosdict: Maybe have a way to forget the spell on your own terms? 11:59 Perhaps with a scroll of amnesia 11:59 i rather save those for (un)holy water 11:59 yay, amnesia! β™₯ 11:59 Which would actually give the ?oA some positive 12:00 Pavel\ito: I want to make amnesia remove only knowledge that the character has but the _player_ doesn't - so maps and discoveries are off the table. But the only things I've been able to come up with so far are skill exercise points, and spell memory. 12:06 [hdf-us] [nh361] cassiopeiastar (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:1378 12:06 -!- raisse\splat is now known as raisse 12:06 -!- raisse is now known as raisse\splat 12:07 argh I'd have had "exploding rune" listed if I hadn't set the wrong mintc. 12:07 anybody know how in nh13d to restore strength after eating poisonus foods? 12:07 with a restore strength spell? 12:07 ! of restore ability 12:07 (I know it exists because I had it in my elf game) 12:08 the one who died from an exploding rune 12:08 heh 12:08 afaik there's no unicorn horn in the game 12:08 are there any unciorns? 12:08 or unicorns even 12:08 yes, unicorns exist but they don't let you have their horns 12:08 unless the wiki is wrong... 12:09 I haven't lived long enough to encounter a unicorn yet 12:09 any way to discern if a scroll is punishment btw 12:10 identify it or read it, only ways I know of 12:10 what the heck 12:10 dog won't follow me upstairs 12:11 yasi: if you have enough str, you can pick up and carry your pet 12:12 anybody have the link to the working nh13d sources? i think i lost it :c 12:13 there's source on the wiki, idk if that's exactly what's running though 12:13 i think we found it the other day 12:15 seems weird that you feel "very attracted to it" when you are being seduced by an invisible foocubus 12:15 (that you can't see due to not having the see invisible intrinsic) 12:15 they smell delicious? 12:15 that must be it 12:16 You smell a delicious smell. 12:16 oh! they smell like a huge chunk of meat! 12:16 ih 12:16 uh 12:16 damn nymph store both of my wants, a scroll, and all my armor 12:16 not where I was going with that :P 12:17 Not to be indelicate but I'm pretty sure you still have a sense of touch when blind, and it gets involved early in the process. 12:17 yes, especially when they start taking off your clothes 12:18 Do they actually take off your clothes? 12:18 pinkbeast, not to be indelicate but you didn't read what i wrote 12:18 Or do they just charm you into doing it yourself? 12:18 nooodle: Yes, I did. 12:18 then you misunderstood it because I am talking about invisibility 12:18 nooodle: No, I didn't. 12:19 replace Pinkbeast's "blind" with "able to see the foocubus" 12:19 and it all works out 12:19 aosdict: sure, if you want to change the meaning 12:19 aosdict: "Shall I remove your XYZ" implies they do it (also, they can remove cursed items you can't) 12:19 Pinkbeast: I think, ultimately, the dialogue is inconsistent. 12:19 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20 "you are blind" and "it is invisible" have the same effect: you can't see it 12:20 There are also things like "Take off your helm", which implies the hero's doing it, but that can still get rid of a cursed helm 12:20 [hdf-us] [nh13d] winny (Valkyrie ### Fem ###) stole 80 zorkmids of merchandise from the liquor of Weliki Oestjoeg on T:2723 12:20 ahahaha 12:20 yes, but they have different mental states behind them, raisse 12:21 Maybe they say "Take off your helm" then yank it off when they get bored 12:21 also pinkbeast is still stuck on blind-from-birth characters from the other day, because they enjoy picking on me, apparently 12:21 whereas I ascended that character and moved on 12:21 Pinkbeast: Also, we can conclude that no nethack hero is bald, and every hero has long enough hair to run fingers through it, heh. Even monks. 12:21 nooodle: Eh? It's you who's trying to make a tremendous issue out of nothing now. 12:22 apparently they're Orthodox monks (who typically don't cut their hair, but braid it) 12:22 my cousin is an Orthodox nun and her hair is long enough to sit on 12:22 *envy* 12:22 (not the nunhood, but the hair) 12:22 lol keystone kopps are poisonous 12:22 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:23 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: AntiGulp] 12:23 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 12:24 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Client Quit] 12:24 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 12:24 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Client Quit] 12:25 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 12:25 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Client Quit] 12:25 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 12:26 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Client Quit] 12:26 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 12:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 12:27 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 12:28 [hdf-us] [nh13d] winny (Val Fem), 3068 points, T:2999, bolt of fire 12:28 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2409 nice bug 12:31 Junethack: New user Escaity registered! https://junethack.net/user/Escaity 12:33 maybe the & followed 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh13d] winny (Val Fem), 842 points, T:955, imp 12:36 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 12:36 -!- deki has joined #hardfought 12:37 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Client Quit] 12:43 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:25479 12:44 [hdf-us] [nh13d] winny (Valkyrie ### Fem ###) killed the ghost of The dart!, the former Valkyrie, on T:1099 12:52 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 12:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6] by ChanServ 12:53 oh6: do you need a teamsplat invite? 12:58 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] Pavel (Val Dwa Fem Law), 163 points, T:755, killed by a black pudding 12:59 raisse 12:59 er oops 12:59 I mean, yes! 13:00 but I think I need to register first 13:00 been a bit hectic trading in my work laptop and getting the new one in shape 13:04 [hdf-us] [nh13d] winny (Valkyrie ### Fem ###) genocided N dungeon wide on T:2719 13:12 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:12 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 13:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 13:12 <@Tone> These ghost names are great πŸ˜„ 13:13 What does `Pw Inf` for spells mean? 13:14 is it possible to figure out if i'm encumbered in nh13d without dropping or picking something up 13:16 Pavel\ito: it's the same as 100% failure rate in vanilla 13:16 essentially, you can't cast it 13:17 Mm 13:17 Thanks 13:19 infinite power needed to cast 13:20 -!- stennowork\ito has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:22 is that xnh or 1.3d? 13:23 xnh 13:23 1.3d spellcasting is very simple 13:23 if you can learn it, you can cast it 13:27 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 13:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 13:28 !who 13:28 winny: [hdf-us] winny [nh13d] Luxidream [dyn] krm26 [fh] k2 [gh] hypnotist [nh361] 13:28 winny: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nh13d] Grasshopper [nh361] 13:28 winny: [hdf-au] No current players 13:28 oh6: sorry, called away, but do you? 13:29 he does 13:30 huh it looks like Dragons don't respect elbereth in nh13d 13:33 why does junethack.net throw a 502 Bad Gateway at me? 13:33 it does that for me too 13:33 Ulch! This gateway is tainted! 13:33 you didn't play the passtune correctly 13:33 [hdf-us] [nh13d] winny (Val Fem), 10666 points, T:4757, dragon 13:34 well, oh6' invite will have to wait 13:34 augh, why is teleds() used for things that are NOT teleporting 13:34 like what? 13:34 it looks like prayer is "useful" but pretty unreliable https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Source:NetHack_1.3d/pray.c#line82 13:34 like putting you on the adjacent space when you dismount a steed 13:35 I prayed and the gods liked me but nothing more happened (and then I got killed by an orc while fainting from hunger) 13:35 or finishing a jump 13:35 you're right, that isn't teleporting 13:35 or crawling out of the water 13:36 I think the reason is because it handles a lot of ball and chain placement code 13:36 that has "You attempt a teleport spell" if you can actually teleport, at least 13:36 but that's stupid 13:36 yeah no I mean just crawling out of the water 13:36 to an adjacent square 13:36 oh6: you're invited to the team channel but I can't invite you to the team because of hte 502 13:38 -!- QueenDairy has joined #hardfought 13:38 -!- QueenDairy has quit [Client Quit] 13:39 -!- QueenDairy has joined #hardfought 13:40 who's admin of junethack website? 13:40 the b haak 13:41 bhaak: ^^ 13:41 bhaak: ^ 502 on junethack 13:41 oops, thx 13:41 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 13:41 How do I sell items to a shopkeeper in nethack? 13:41 u drop 13:41 drop in the shop 13:41 it'll prompt 13:41 Ok. 13:41 Thanks! 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "the blessed greased fixed +3 grayswandir", on T:28626 13:42 the items have to be the appropriate type sold in the shop 13:42 general stores will buy everything 13:43 that's a way to distinguish fruit juice from see invisible, delis will buy juice but not see invis 13:44 my favorite way is to quaff when something is invisible 13:44 or alchemy 13:44 i didn't know about the deli shop, i gotta use that next time 13:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Elf-Wiz Elf Mal Cha) was given Sting, on T:2392 13:46 -!- QueenDairy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 13:47 <@rikersan> thanks lorien. 13:47 remind me why Elf-Wiz is a role 13:47 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG carved artifacts (i.e. given as gift, see: carved Sting) can't be read 13:47 Will do, @rikersan! 13:47 <@rikersan> aosdict: elf shared 13:47 <@rikersan> noble, priest, ranger, wiz 13:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "the blessed greased fixed +3 mitre of holiness", on T:28633 13:47 <@rikersan> all fight the Necromancer, the quest is LOTR themed 13:48 <@rikersan> it's the third LOTR quest in the game, the other 2 are moria and smaug 13:48 dnethack actually has the palantir again :D 13:48 isn't "Necromancer" = Sauron? 13:48 yeah 13:48 sauron is the necromancer in the hobbit 13:48 <@rikersan> yep 13:48 <@rikersan> but that's spoilers 13:48 <@rikersan> >:U 13:48 Sauron is also tenuously the Dark One 13:48 :x 13:49 <@rikersan> oh, really? 13:49 <@rikersan> TIl 13:49 <@rikersan> *TIL 13:49 (I don't personally believe that but some other people do) 13:49 good thing the Dark One isn't the Wheel of Time Dark One 13:49 no, I don't believe it either, I think it's pure nethack mythology 13:49 -!- QueenDairy has joined #hardfought 13:49 also sauron wouldn't be that wimpy 13:50 yes, that is the main reason I disbelieve it 13:50 I might end up changing his name to something else just because of all the jokes about naming yourself "The Dark One" sounding like a wannabe edgy teenager 13:51 <@rikersan> lol 13:51 -!- [Demo][srn] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51 <@rikersan> aosdict: I've been thinking more about adding an Aes Sedai role 13:51 <@rikersan> not entirely sure how spells would work tho 13:51 <@rikersan> like, their 'magic' doens't quite work with stock nethack magic 13:51 It wouldn't really mesh too well with the Pw system 13:51 yeah 13:58 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Changing host] 14:02 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 14:06 :D 14:18 <+Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh13d] elenmirie (Valkyrie ### Fem ###) wished for "upgrade from 1.3d to 3.6.1", on T:2137 14:19 lol 14:19 :) 14:19 yes! 14:19 I didn't get the gloves 14:19 eh? 14:19 I think I should have said pair of gloves 14:19 it gave me a random object 14:19 oh 14:19 modern wish parsers are much smarter 14:22 oh, no, I'm probably going to starve to death anyway 14:22 managed to kill two orcs whilst fainting, but they don't seem to give any nutrition 14:22 wish for some food rations? 14:23 all I have is the wrest wish left, but that's maybe worth a try 14:24 I hate this game 14:24 then stop playing it until you want one game for the sightseeing tour! 14:24 nice elenmirie\splat 14:25 when I say "hate", I don't really mean "hate", exactly... 14:25 we know :) 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh361] amelie (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:5713 14:33 it looks li dead orc gives 400 nutrition, but if it says rotten food, the nutrition is only 100 14:34 fwiw food ration is 800 14:35 hm... I think it said "you feel sick" when I ate the orcs 14:35 and it didn't move me out of fainting status 14:41 yes, I've felt sick when eating fresh corpses a couple of times too 14:43 -!- riker has joined #hardfought 14:55 -!- QueenDairy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:00 K2: what's with the ###? 15:01 oh6: I'll invite you when I see you're registered 15:08 FIQ you'd have to ask Tangles 15:08 but 15:09 well.. I dunno for sure 15:09 but Tangles made it work with 1.3d's format 15:10 You see here a dead zombie. 15:10 aren't all zombies dead? 15:10 not sure if its more we need to do on our end (beholder) or if it's junk in 1.3d livelog file 15:15 dtype: why are you retiring nao 15:15 he's not retiring nao 15:16 just killing off 3.4.3 and 3.6.0 15:16 yes 15:16 nao and 3.6.0 15:16 no 15:16 I am asking why 15:16 NAO means the entire thing lol 15:16 3.4.3-nao then 15:16 you're going to start a panic 15:16 FIQ the rabble-rouser ;) 15:17 I should ask the same in #NetHack 15:17 and then you shouldn't ruin it 15:17 rofl 15:17 more fun that way 15:17 DO IT 15:17 no 15:17 i will pay you 1 zorkmid if you do 15:17 you already ruined it 15:17 271 ppl in #nethack 15:17 i ruined nothing 15:18 but you already asked me to clarify 15:18 ok... 2 zm 15:18 now I can't get away with saying "eh I meant the variant" 15:18 wow you're hard to bargain with. 5 zm that's as high as i can go 15:18 I ain't doing it 15:18 it's perfectly possible to play 3.4.3-nao, just not on nao any more after tomorrow. 15:18 FIQ: is really paxed pushing to retire it, but I'm on board. Basically NAO is "vanilla" version server, and 343 is now just an old version 15:19 ok 15:19 makes no sense but I am not going to contest it 15:19 i mean, for the same reason we don't offer 3.3.1 15:19 you should 15:19 make it a server for hosting all versions 15:19 I wish there was somewhere offering 3.1.3 because that was the first version I played and I'd like to revisit it 15:19 nh--, too 15:20 fwiw, I think 343 represented ~5% of games a couple months ago on nao 15:20 raisse\splat: Maybe HF could do 3.1.3 (but do the pre-Y2K versions still work?) 15:20 though I hated the berators and other make-you-deathly-sick monsters 15:20 dtype: ahh so we should also retire linux 15:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] jonadab (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 272 points, T:1262, killed by a grid bug 15:20 FIQ: should retire certain old version of linux, yeah. ;) 15:20 for desktop 15:20 then I'll go back to full ludditism because I don't want to use another OS 15:20 only 1% share 15:20 Hardfought currently maintains 15 different games 15:21 btw, nao isn't killing all of 3.4.3, is just not hosting it on nao. 15:21 dunno if i want to add on anymore, except maybe nethack brass when jonadab has it ready 15:21 and maybe slash'em 15:21 K2: Well, I don't want to make work for you (lies) but is adding extra variants onerous? I'd hope it's pretty streamlined with so many already. 15:21 slash'em would need to be naoified 15:21 and i've had requests for PRIME 15:22 At minimum, Slash'EM would need xlogfile. 15:22 If it doesn't have it already. 15:22 PRIME is cool but hosting it alongside zapm would be redundant 15:22 btw, people always complaining that there's no room for more public servers because there's no reason to play on other ones. Keeping NAO itself fairly lean is a good way to ensure there are openings for others. 15:22 Pinkbeast: its some work but its pretty much streamlined now, so long as the compile/install isnt weird 15:22 http://nethack.org/v330/info.html#Y2K - 3.1.3 and other pre-Y2K versions would need the Y2K patch backported 15:22 dtype: but hdf already hosts everything that matters :) 15:23 including 343-nao 15:23 FIQ: Except Brogue :-) 15:23 hah 15:23 But Brogue doesn't have xlogfile. 15:23 :-( 15:23 any more additions, it'll be time for a menu revamp 15:23 i cant squeeze in anymore 15:23 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/MtbOybTf/image.png 15:24 K2: could do 4-column 15:24 I'm all for a menu revamp 15:24 oh wait... i think winny had a good idea for menu organization 15:24 "vanilla variants" and "forks" 15:24 that sounds like a deli menu :-) 15:24 raisse\splat: what is the difference? 15:25 Mind you, adding a lot of vanilla variants would let Mr Boring But Optimal play a valk in 3.1.3, 3.2.3, 3.3.2, 3.4.3, 3.6.1 every Junethack, hooray ascensions in 5 "variants" 15:25 K2: if i recall correctly, my suggestion was to replace the keys to edit with one, that opens another dialogue where one selects the editor 15:25 vanilla variants = everything that was once the default vanilla version (or a specific version of it) and forks = everything else, like spork, fiq, slex 15:25 that way editors can be a bit easier to configure if HF decides to add more or less 15:25 raisse\splat: ah, so vanilla variants would be just 3.6.1 15:26 and 3.4.3 15:26 and 1.3d 15:26 not 3.4.3 15:26 and older versions if we carry them 15:26 3.4.3-nao isn't vanilla 15:26 it's not, but it's not a fork either 15:26 it is 15:26 another idea,which is pretty crazy, would be to allow sftp but that sort of doesn't work since we're authenticated through dgamelaunch, and not ssh 15:26 it has several patches 15:26 is a bit of a hybrid. was designed to be bugfix and QoL only 15:26 because all it does is incorporate patches into vanilla 15:26 Isn't this in a hypothetical case where many other vanilla variants are added (which I also think includes trivial changes like -nao) 15:26 not change gameplay or the dungeon 15:26 raisse\splat: you realize that could be said for variants too, right? 15:26 all just a set of patches 15:26 K2: my endgame was to add ed and mg editors 15:26 most variants do change gameplay 15:27 NetHack4 comes to mind 15:27 or add extra levels, monsters, etcetera 15:27 343-nao has maintained binary save compat for like 11 years. 15:27 well, there could be discussion where to put that, yes 15:27 it's not as if I have a full-fledged plan, I'm just brainstorming 15:27 and maybe replace the pseudo-vi editor with nvi or vim 15:27 or nano 15:28 actually hdf already uses nano 15:28 for config 15:28 issue with editors is they have to be hacked up to be less functional 15:28 as an option 15:28 yeah, thankfully 15:28 nano is nice 15:28 winny: Wouldn't you have to dike out all their shell escape function... oh, what dtype said 15:28 K2: 3.4 variants, 3.6 variants, and Nitro variants? 15:28 Pinkbeast, dtype yes that's the trick and the catch 15:28 shell escapes, opening other files, writing to arbitrary locations... 15:28 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:28 Err, or "3.4 _and_ variants", "3.6 _and_ variants", "Nitro variants". 15:28 Err, and a fourth category for Slash'EM. 15:28 i can spend some time researching it further, i know GNU ed has a restricted version, i haven't looked into mg, nvi, and vim yet 15:29 where does spork go? 15:29 Isn't spork 3.4-based? 15:29 jonadab: SLASH'EM+friends would be under 3.4 and variants 15:29 Or is it earlier? 15:29 spork is 3.4.3 15:29 Spork's 3.4 15:29 FIQ: Slash'EM predates 3.4. Considerably. 15:29 winny: entirely possible there are more options there now for that. Just not in ~2001 when I hacked up virus 15:29 jonadab: Yes, but it has all the 3.4.3 stuff 15:29 jonadab was thinking vanilla flavors, then 3.x based variants, then nh4/nitro based 15:29 dtype: u wrote virus eh? nice. it's better than no vi honestly 15:29 :) 15:29 I didn't write virus 15:29 but I hacked it up for noa 15:29 ah i see! 15:29 nao 15:29 dtype: hdf uses rnano 15:29 K2: That could also work, and gives you a nice place to put e.g. 1.3d 15:30 yup 15:30 winny: didnt you mention making a seperate menu for editors in general? 15:30 And of course you can put ZapM and such on a hidden menu :-) 15:30 heh 15:30 i want a zork easter egg too 15:30 FIQ: seems now more folks just use the web editor anyway 15:30 K2: that's a possibility, but all i suggested was make only one key on the root menu to edit each game, and it'll have a submenu to select the editor 15:31 not sure how to make it work with dgl 15:31 winny: that can work too 15:31 plenty of ways to skin this cat 15:31 but 15:31 not until after junethack 15:31 that sounds barbaric 15:31 my suggestions were pretty rash and speculative, and yes i agree 15:31 FIQ: barb 4 life 15:32 does hdf have rfk 15:32 any suggestions are welcome so long as its not 'this shit is dumb, change it' type of suggestions 15:32 haha, that is fair 15:32 This shit is dumb, _please_ change it. # sorry 15:32 K2: I like winny's proposal 15:32 lol 15:32 would maybe be just better to improve the web editor 15:33 dtype: but hdf already has rnano 15:33 that's also a possibility 15:33 why not just incorporate it 15:33 I would very much rather avoid having to bother with web editors 15:33 i like having a working web editor 15:33 great for large cut/paste ops 15:33 K2: sure, as an alternative 15:34 but not as the only choice 15:34 of course 15:34 * K2 loves his nano 15:34 Shurely one can cut/paste into nano/virus? 15:34 mmmm nano 15:34 you should convince dtype 15:34 Pinkbeast: not virus 15:34 you can but its easier in the web interface 15:34 it will shit itself if you paste too much 15:34 works fine in nano 15:34 > Like Emacs, Zemacs is self-documenting: it has built-in help on its features. 15:34 self-documenting my ass 15:35 hah 15:35 where did the color come from 15:35 oh man, i love that phrase self-documenting, the one true joke 15:35 FIQ: Cor. My rc for that other roguelike must just be quite short 15:35 Pinkbeast: when I had to work with gho 15:35 -!- NewbProgrammer10 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 15:35 which only had virus 15:35 I had to paste in iterations 15:35 and then :wq 15:35 you know what else i'd like to do 15:35 if I input too much in a single session 15:36 virus would crash 15:36 ajax based update of deaths/livelog on website 15:36 brb 15:36 oh just web edit. Is a text file. 15:36 dtype: I said gho 15:36 no web edit there 15:36 -!- NewbProgrammer10 has joined #hardfought 15:36 elsewhere I just used nano 15:36 only on nao did I have to bother with the web editor 15:37 I wasn't happ about it 15:37 -!- QueenDairy has joined #hardfought 15:37 *happy 15:37 Of course really the main menu should just offer robotfindskitten with other lesser games in a submenu somewhere 15:38 back 15:38 why couldn't you just use virus on nao? 15:38 raisse\splat: I did mention why -- too much input crashes the editor 15:38 then paste in blocks of 10 lines or so? 15:38 that's what I did 15:38 That would take 10 minutes 15:39 how long is your rc file? 15:39 must... refrain... inappropriate comments.... 15:39 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/F/FIQ/xnethack/FIQ.xnhrc 15:40 already a reduced version of my dnethack rc which it's based on 15:40 which is longer 15:40 I should let you subscribe to a google doc as your rcfile 15:41 hah 15:41 and be done with it. :) 15:41 <@Winsalot> That's it guys. i decided that I'm not finishing university this year πŸ˜ƒ 15:41 mhm 15:41 why not 15:41 just make your rcfile have a single line "GOOGLE_DOC_RC=someurl" 15:42 <@Winsalot> My undergraduate thesis is shit and unfinished 15:42 <@Winsalot> Gonna try next year 15:42 <@Winsalot> Focus on career and nethack for now 15:42 I like how casual you are about this 15:43 @Winsalot how much time you have left before you need to submit your thesis? 15:43 undergrad thesis eh 15:43 so happy i don't have to do one of those 15:43 me neither 15:44 <@Winsalot> K2: according to some sources 17 hours, according to others I'm already 2 days late πŸ˜ƒ 15:44 though, regrettably, my capstone is a programming project in a group (you can bet i'll be doing a disproportionate amount of work, it always happens that way, because i'm not an idiot) 15:44 winny ;) 15:44 @Winsalot well time to get busy then 15:45 <@Winsalot> I'm pretty sure I will get out of this dry- won't cost me anyhting as I will take an official study break. 15:45 me and one group member trained our group how to use django + git + python for one semester, it was... interesting lol 15:45 heh 15:45 i remember putting off school 15:45 and putting it off 15:45 and more 15:45 <@Winsalot> K2: Nah, even if I finished it tonight it would still be so bad that I would be ashamed of showing it to anyone 15:46 <@Winsalot> procrastination ftw 15:46 hrm 15:46 dont turn into that person that takes 24 yrs to get an associates degree 15:46 K2: That would be me 15:47 it IS me 15:47 <@Winsalot> I don't think I want to go back to uni after undergraduate. At least for now 15:47 but FIQ you're 24 heh 15:47 K2: yeah, I started when I was born 15:47 i mean 24 yrs from start to finish 15:47 hahah 15:47 I never got an associates degree. 15:48 what even is an associates degree 15:48 my rents are on my case all the time because it's taking me like 5 years for a undergrad 15:48 these english terms 15:48 2 yr degree 15:48 ah 15:48 mine is in 'general bullshit' 15:48 FIQ: An associates' degree is what you get from a community college so you can transfer into a real college and they will accept your credits in transfer. 15:48 ah 15:48 It's a way of bundling up your loose credits so the other institution is more likely to accept them. 15:49 It's _theoretically_ supposed to be halfway to a Bachelor's, but if you don't plan well, it may not include half of what you need to graduate. 15:49 thankfully it seems states with good community college systems have promises from their state four year universities to accept all credits or most 15:50 Junethack: New user flump registered! https://junethack.net/user/flump 15:50 jonadab: yeah i was -sorta- subject to that issue, a bunch of my credits are free of any requirements 15:50 winny: Yeah, but raw credit count isn't the only thing that goes into graduation -- at least, not at any decent school it's not. There are also a bunch of specific requirements. 15:50 indeed 15:50 Which may vary depending on your major. 15:51 So you can end up going four and a half or five years altogether, for a four-year degree, if you don't plan ahead. 15:51 i took a "cs" class that transperred as business administration lol 15:51 And that's if you go full time the whole time. 15:51 transferred 15:52 i took some credits that transferred as stuff i wouldn't be able to take here right away because loads of prereqs 15:52 it's quite amusing to me 15:52 skipped a few cs classes because i pestered some profs and administration enough, still gunna take me 5 years tough 15:53 My high school AP calc transferred in as Calc I, but I had to take a departmental exam to get out having to take the pre-calc trig class as a prereq before I could go on to Calc II. 15:53 get out *of 15:53 i tried to complete calc II several times, and haven't been able to 15:53 math education is garbage 15:53 Fortunately, when you've had a year of calculus, it is not difficult to pass a pre-calc exam. 15:54 math maturity is hard 15:54 winny: Just watch 3blue1brown on YouTube :-) 15:54 i think my big issue is i prefer theory and find practical application of math without understanding the theory a waste 15:55 raisse\splat: [backscroll] it confuses the terminology to call different official releases of nethack "variants" 15:55 That... should be fine for the first couple of semesters of calc. 15:55 :D 15:55 When you start getting into second-year, multi-variable stuff, then maybe not. 15:55 indeed 15:55 that was the trap i fell into 15:55 -!- QueenDairy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:55 DiffEQ, engineering math, will be a problem. 15:56 thankfully my uni changed the requirements so i don't need to take calc II (but they didn't inform any cs students & the circiculum was out of date on the website) so i spent an extra semester or two floundering on calc II when i didn't need it lol 15:57 What you should take, is group theory. That is _unbelievably_ useful stuff. 15:57 i abrely graduated high school. how i was able to go to college right after is beyond me 15:57 barely 15:57 And quite abstract. The variables don't even stand for numbers. 15:57 group theory seems quite pleasant 15:57 as is category theory 15:58 It's like, "Let G be a set of abelian groups, and let f be a permutation on G..." 15:58 I don't know why but I like group theory and can't wrap my head around category theory. 15:58 honestly after i graduate i expect myself to develop a mathematical maturity through classes as a non-degree-seeking student or other practice 15:59 something on my own terms 15:59 I think my favorite branch of mathematics is graph theory 15:59 <@Winsalot> Statistics is pretty good 15:59 winny: I mean, you could pursue a graduate degree and get a degree for your troubles. 16:00 I kind of like topology, from what I've got of it. Never had a formal class. I did watch Wildberger's AlgTop lectures on YouTube. Those are pretty interesting. 16:00 quite possibly but i don't believe i'd appreciate the pressure / deadlines involved 16:00 i am pretty open to purusing a graduate degree regardless 16:01 Pavel\ito: Have you seen the graph theory mug, with the three houses and three utilities? 16:02 https://mathsgear.co.uk/products/utilities-puzzle-mug 16:02 Oh yeah 16:02 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Val Gia Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +5 dragonhide water walking boots of speed", on T:22987 16:04 jonadab: I assume the trick is that the mug handle allows one normally impossible intersection?? 16:05 er, -? 16:05 It allows you to _avoid_ an otherwise necessary intersection, yes. 16:06 Basically you use the handle as a bridge to hop one line over another, making the puzzle possible. 16:06 It's famously impossible on flat paper. 16:06 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 16:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:33138 16:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33193 16:15 aosdict: yes I think you're right 16:15 perhaps we should call them "varieties" instead 16:15 :-) 16:15 or "installments" 16:16 imma run some marathon mode in splicehack 16:17 what is wrong with "versions" 16:17 "vanilla versions" 16:18 right, just blanked on the word 16:19 it's 28 degrees and humid here (at 10pm) and it gives me brain melt 16:20 that's 82.4F for the celsius-challenged 16:21 about 90% humidity 16:21 and no wind to speak of 16:21 raisse\splat: 90%??? only 67% here, and about 23 Β°C now (highest today was 31 Β°C) 16:21 where are you, the rainforest? 16:21 feels like it yes 16:22 in fact the eastern part of the Netherlands 16:22 weather site says 72 but I trust my hygrometer 16:22 (also my body) 16:22 there's so much water in the air that I wish it would all fall down 16:24 * aosdict gives raisse a cold front 16:24 I've still got a hot back though! 16:25 send me rain! rain!! 16:25 as in, the weather pattern 16:25 yes, I know ;-) 16:26 it could be worse, it could be raining men ;) 16:26 [hdf-us] [dyn] FAKE TYPE (Luxidream) (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 299870 points, T:41084, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dynahack/dumplog/2018-05-30%2016_26_23%2C%20FAKE%20TYPE-Bar-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20ascended.txt 16:26 @luxidream dude you're 2 days early 16:27 practicing! 16:27 hooray @luxidream :D 16:27 shpingrlde: Message from @luxidream at 2018-05-27 15:52 EDT: change the ID, I gave you the wrong one 16:27 plarf 16:28 plarf? 16:28 i'm making that my new in-game pet name 16:28 it's like blaf or mumf 16:28 bweeeeow 16:29 ending with an f and having one syllable , i guess they're like generic sound of negativity/indifference 16:29 <@luxidream> mtf already took care of it 16:29 it seems so yeah 16:29 <@luxidream> but you should sign up! 16:30 so bweeeeeowf 16:30 but more syllables 16:30 blrzuumphschghlhrpf. 16:30 ooh nice 16:30 i did sign up 16:31 yeah that sounds pretty disheartened, jonadab 16:31 slex has a monster named "dweeeeeeauweauw" :D 16:31 Of course it does. 16:33 shpingrlde: blzschghthruhmghchtzhxhpmmf. 16:33 ^ or mtf for short 16:33 ni 16:34 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:34527 16:37 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh13d] jonadab (Tou Mal), 408 points, T:438, giant ant 16:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "the blessed greased fixed +3 speed boots", on T:35517 16:51 <@luxidream> can I use numpad on 1.3d 16:58 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:34219 17:03 > you hear the studio audience applaud 17:03 FUCK 17:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2696 points, T:3000, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gnome 17:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 403 points, T:816, killed by a jackal 17:20 @le?christmas child 17:20 christmas child (D) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 13 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: special | AC: 0 | Attacks: 3d7 weapon physical, 6d6 spit tickle | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous 17:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Elf-Nob Elf Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:968 17:26 <@luxidream> @un?cthulhu 17:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Nob Elf Mal Cha), 2104 points, T:1016, killed by a gnome lord 17:26 >:U rip 2 magic lamps 17:26 !lastgame 17:26 riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikersan/dnethack/dumplog/1527714588.dnh.txt 17:26 riker: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/nh13d/dumplog/1527705342.nh13d.txt 17:26 riker: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/nethack4/dumplog/2018-05-30%2010%3A51%3A16%2C%20Grom-Cav-Gno-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt 17:27 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:36908 17:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:37222 17:35 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:37356 17:37 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:37504 17:40 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:37644 18:07 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:40629 18:08 Who runs beholder? 18:08 Is it just K2? 18:11 [hdf-us] [un] Elronnd (Val Hum Fem Law), 6517 points, T:3102, quit 18:13 -!- noty has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:15 Pavel\ito: K2 and Tangles 18:17 Well, when you do !lastgame, it bothers me that it uses www. for hdf-us since it makes the links not line up with each other, and there's now a us.hardfought.org alias. 18:21 Tangles: Pavel\ito wants you to replace www.hardfought.org with us.hardfought.org in botconf.py 18:22 Doesn't it ping him anyway if the username is anywhere in the message 18:22 -!- AmyBSOD\srn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:25 -!- Elronnd is now known as Elronnd`srn 18:25 -!- Elronnd`srn is now known as Elronnd\srn 18:27 Pavel\ito: depends on how the person configured their client. 18:28 foooaosdictfoooo might not hilight me, for instance 18:28 Does it, foooaosdictfoooo? 18:28 for me, yes 18:29 but you could get as strict as something like the regex "^aosdict: " 18:29 !who 18:29 winny: [hdf-us] jmcunx [nh343] hypnotist [nh361] 18:29 winny: [hdf-eu] No current players 18:29 winny: [hdf-au] No current players 18:37 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 18:40 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:42097 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:42107 18:43 [hdf-us] [nh343] jmcunx (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 802 points, T:1704, killed by a crossbow bolt 18:43 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:42230 18:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:42392 18:49 !lastgame rikersan 18:49 riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikersan/dnethack/dumplog/1527714588.dnh.txt 18:49 !lastgame rikerw 18:49 riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikerw/dnethack/dumplog/1523317880.dnh.txt 18:49 yay, it no longer tells me about all one of my eu things 18:50 [hdf-us] [slex] rikersan (Nob Ven Fem Law), 2423 points, T:1, quit 18:50 -!- riker has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:50 -!- riker has joined #hardfought 18:54 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:42726 18:55 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:42729 19:01 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:43060 19:02 [hdf-us] [slex] rikersan (Bar Ang Mal Cha), 6928 points, T:1785, burned by a fireball 19:03 !tell AmyBSOD\srn 1. i think there's a larien msg for you 2. does angering gods prevent you from having a bunch of resistacnes, or something else screwde me over so I couldn't have literally any resistance? 19:03 Will do, riker! 19:03 -!- riker has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:03 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 19:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 19:14 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 19:15 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:43923 19:21 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 19:22 FIQ: race and alignment don't exist in 1.3d, and I did not want to special-case every single livelog event so I replaced those with ### so the bot would still have something to process. 19:22 Tangles: Message from winny at 2018-05-30 10:20 EDT: not sure if u got my last message because ping timeout - I can author a PR if you want me to with the suggested fix, I tested it with my simple irc PoC bot, but won't be able to run beholder locally afaict 19:23 winny: Thanks I'll look at it. 19:24 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 19:25 and yes, beholder does have a few dependencies. I'm running a test instance locally, but then I'm running a test instance of a whole lot of other stuff as well. 19:29 -!- [Demo][srn] has joined #hardfought 19:29 dtype: AAAA 19:29 pls no google docs 19:29 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:44987 19:29 (although, syncing rcfiles across servers would be a godsend) 19:32 -!- [Demo][srn] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33 -!- [Demo][srn] has joined #hardfought 19:34 <[Demo][srn]> ok now when my bot breaks instead of crashing it should wail at me to fix it 19:37 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:37 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:45861 19:37 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:45862 19:39 -!- elenmirie\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:43 ais523: What are the chances that some old C parser couldn't handle function names that were the same when compared case-insensitively? 19:43 Because that would explain some of the confusion about why something is named what it is. 19:43 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:46139 19:43 e.g. yname and Yname2 19:44 aosdict: some early linkers could only handle 6-char names for globals, case-insensitive 19:44 I'm pretty sure NetHack doesn't respect the "keep the first 6 letters distinct" rule any more though 19:44 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:46153 19:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:46192 19:48 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:46226 19:49 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:46259 19:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Death, on T:46287 19:52 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Death, on T:46327 19:52 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law), 3497084 points, T:46333, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hypnotist/nh361/dumplog/1527638108.nh361.txt 19:53 !streak hypnotist 19:53 nooodle: [hdf-us] hypnotist Max[nh361]: 4 (2018-05-21 - 2018-05-30)(current). 19:53 nooodle: [hdf-eu] No streaks for hypnotist on this server. 19:53 nooodle: [hdf-au] No streaks for hypnotist on this server. 19:53 getting in shape for junethack 19:59 Junethack: New user kotofej registered! https://junethack.net/user/kotofej 19:59 <[Demo][srn]> yey u won good job 19:59 <[Demo][srn]> wait ur fast or something 20:00 demo, you mean me? i'm slow fa 20:01 af* 20:04 nooodle: a 4-streak in 9 days is not slow by many standards. 20:05 <[Demo][srn]> how unreasonable is 3 hr 3.4.3 vdfl runs? 20:05 Maybe slow AF stands for slow as (the) Flash? :) 20:06 typical NAO ascensions used to be around 6 hours, and around 25k moves 20:06 what is vdfl? 20:06 <[Demo][srn]> valk/dwarf/female/lawful 20:06 i *wish* i were that good 20:06 -!- NewbProgrammer10 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 20:06 am I the only one who thinks valk human is easier than valk dwa? 20:07 <[Demo][srn]> how would it be? 20:07 hostile mines means more xp 20:08 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 20:09 infravision is extremely useful in the early game. killing peacefuls is barely penalized at all in vanilla 20:09 in fact it's better to kill peacefuls since you get to decide when and where they die 20:10 true 20:10 !rng play all the factorio I can before junethack | play nethack to warm up 20:10 Elronnd\srn: play nethack to warm up 20:10 <[Demo][srn]> i tried to do an adeon-like run today 20:11 <[Demo][srn]> met my end with a winged gargoyle but it was going well 20:14 Elronnd\srn / Pavel\ito: We won't be changing the www. to us. in the botconf, because currently the certificate for the website doesn't include us. as a subject alt name. This will probably be addressed at some point in the future. 20:18 <@Tone> Demo I'd say at least a half-dozen people have proven that that would be consistently doable 20:18 <@Tone> I would probably never achieve it, but it's definitely not unreasonable 20:19 <[Demo][srn]> i wonder how long it would take for me to be bale to 20:19 <@Tone> It's a big shift in playstyle 20:20 <@Tone> You generally sacrifice actions that are efficient with turns in-game for ones that save on real-time 20:20 <@Tone> From what I've seen at least 20:21 <[Demo][srn]> yeah 20:22 <[Demo][srn]> which means each game is worth so much less 20:22 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 20:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] satchmo (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "+2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:18935 20:24 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Client Quit] 20:27 -!- NewbProgrammer10 has joined #hardfought 20:33 <@rikersan\srn> what's an "adeon like run"? 20:33 <@Tone> super speed run 20:33 <@rikersan\srn> ah 20:34 <@Tone> He holds the fastest ascension at around 1 hr 3 min I think 20:34 <@rikersan\srn> dang 20:34 <@rikersan\srn> yep, I found noodle's youtube vid 20:34 <@Tone> He said that run in particular took around one month and 1000 attempts to get right 20:34 <@Tone> there are a lot of risks involved 20:35 <@Tone> There's another video of him doing it live at roguelike celebration last year 20:35 <@Tone> Not quite as fast though 20:35 <@rikersan\srn> was it seeded? 20:35 <@Tone> Nope 20:35 <@rikersan\srn> danh 20:35 <@rikersan\srn> since he got stupid lucky 20:35 <@rikersan\srn> wish wand 2nd room, altar next floor 20:35 <@Tone> oh really 20:36 <@Tone> I don't think it was seeded 20:36 <@rikersan\srn> then a scroll shop smh 20:36 <@Tone> no wonder that took 1000 attempts 20:36 [Demo][srn]: Please use \srn instead of [srn], I can't be the only one bothered my your lack of standards compliance 20:36 <@Tone> The ] and \ clash tho 20:37 <@Tone> πŸ˜› 20:39 β€Ž<β€Ž[Demo][srn]β€Ž>β€Ž how unreasonable is 3 hr 3.4.3 vdfl runs? ← there are people who can do that semi-consistently, but hardly any of them 20:40 hardly any people, that is 20:45 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:45 -!- QueenDairy has joined #hardfought 20:46 nooodle congrats again! 20:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] cassiopeiastar (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 6817 points, T:7028, killed by a crocodile 20:53 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 21:00 [hdf-us] [nh343] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 25629 points, T:5086, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted Woodland-elf 21:00 <[Demo][srn]> \ looks like shit 21:02 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 21:03 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 21:09 \ looks like happiness 21:09 \ looks like AUTHORITY 21:13 \ looks like OBEDIENCE 21:13 D:< 21:21 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 21:28 K2: latest (and last before jnh?) updates incoming 21:28 one gameplay change by me, others by DT 21:33 Ooh, 3.6.2 21:33 aosdict ok 21:33 * Pavel\ito reads 3.6.2 patchnotes 21:33 patchlevel.h staying the same? 21:35 > for starting inventory, don't give an orc hero lembas wafers or cram rations 21:36 There's your 3.6.2 gameplay change 21:36 Everything else is fixes it interface work 21:36 3.6.2 branch should be public now, I think 21:36 s/it/or 21:36 it is mostly intended to fix some fairly bad performance regressions on Windows 21:36 but we're not opposed to getting other bugfixes in there if we can do so quickly 21:40 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 21:41 -!- tacco| has quit [] 21:45 Wow watchman, dick move. Kill my pet in the deli so I'd have to pay for its corpse 21:45 supporting the small businesses of the town, I see 21:47 Pavel\ito us.hardfought.org works now in a browser 21:47 had to update certs and edit some redirects 21:47 3.6.2 isn't an official release is it? 21:47 Cool 21:48 just an available dev branch? 21:48 dizzylizzy\ito: no it's a beta 21:48 Gotcha neat, whew 21:48 was worried I'd have to format and upload a new set of source files to the wiki 21:49 -!- a_boudelia has joined #hardfought 21:58 -!- QueenDairy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 22:01 aosdict: got a program error. Logged in, str was 4 despite wearing GoP. Pretty sure it wasn't 4 naturally anyway. 22:03 select_off: an uncursed rustproof +3 pair of gauntlets of power (being worn)??? Program in disorder! (Saving and reloading may fix this problem.) 22:09 Pavel\ito: the orc lembas thing was my report, so glad to see it was incorporated 22:10 bouquet: you get the weirdest errors 22:10 I play HARD 22:10 is this from the same game that gave you the defective blessed scroll of remove curse? 22:10 I think it's the curses thing again 22:10 yup, same game. 22:11 I realize that's not your problem. 22:11 lemme remove that from my config and see wassup 22:11 Well, the impossible you got is from not curses code... 22:11 same as the scroll 22:12 all better 22:13 that impossible is from if you are trying to un-wear an object that is neither uarm nor uarmc nor uwep nor uswapwep nor... 22:13 if changing to tty fixes it... I have no idea why the curses code is affecting this. 22:13 but wtf, my natural str is 4! 22:13 Tangles: any ideas? 22:14 that's not right either. Says my natural str is 4 but I'm carrying way to much to be simply burdened at 4 str. 22:15 it says natural str is 4 in the Ctrl-X screen? 22:16 yp 22:16 what sequence of events led to this 22:17 Well, I started playing xnh... 22:17 anyway, I'll have to chat another time. Apparently I need to drive someone to the hospital all of a sudden. BBL! 22:18 <@Tone> Yikes, hope all is well bouquet 22:21 aosdict: I don't really have too many ideas there. I believe that stuff is in the setworn() code, which does call update_inventory() which will follow a different execution path depending on windowport. There were some issues with segfaulting because of this before. 22:22 but I believe that was cleared up 22:30 [hdf-us] [un] dizzylizzy (Val Dwa Fem Law), 10140 points, T:4837, killed by Mr. Tepelene, the shopkeeper, while frozen by a potion 22:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] satchmo (Val Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:21162 22:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] satchmo (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:21165 22:34 Never played unnethack before, it was super fun! 22:34 I liked the variation in dungeon design 22:35 DL7 nymph level was a little harsh 22:37 practicing for junethack? 22:38 Junethack: New user ttc1401 registered! https://junethack.net/user/ttc1401 22:40 gotta get that sightseeing trophy 22:40 and also walk in the park, in one go 22:42 -!- a_boudelia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 22:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Tou Inc Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:31429 22:44 Say one or more variants removed Medusa, how would that affect Anti-Stoner? 22:46 the game would probably use whatever boss/milestone was closest in terms of the position in the progression through the game 22:46 same principle as the Sokoban/luckstone trophies in Ace/NH4 22:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Tou Inc Fem Neu) killed the elder priestess of Moloch, on T:31742 22:51 -!- Cassieopeia__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:51 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:55 [hdf-us] [sp] dizzylizzy (Val Dwa Fem Neu), 4 points, T:49, killed by a fox, while praying 22:56 <[Demo][srn]> a neutral dwarf? 22:56 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 22:56 <[Demo][srn]> gross 22:56 <[Demo][srn]> my theory is right 22:57 <[Demo][srn]> splice is just an early phase of an alternate slex 22:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Tou Inc Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 pair of flying boots named Hermes' Wings", on T:32063 22:57 [Demo][srn]: that's sporkhack 22:58 <[Demo][srn]> Oh shit well damn I'm still not backing off 22:59 <[Demo][srn]> I'd make up some way it still proved my point but I'm too damn tired 22:59 no, sporkhack is "NetHack if it was balanced like DCSS" 23:18 What's DCSS? 23:18 xNetHack updated (all servers) 23:18 Nice, nice 23:25 GruntHack updated (all servers) 23:31 Thanks, K2. 23:31 back from hospital already. She'll live. 23:32 oh good 23:32 aosdict did I open a can of worms with my weird bug earlier? 23:34 Pavel\ito: DCSS is a roguelike like NetHack is, and possibly its biggest "rival" 23:35 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 23:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 23:38 Are there any variants with a specific focus on game IMbalance? 23:39 slex 23:39 like, making particular weapons SUBERDUBER ridonkulous 23:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:32028 23:39 bouquet: I have no idea what the cause is and don't think I have enough information to tell what's wrong. 23:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) genocided class h, on T:32029 23:40 no problem. It seems to have cleared itself up. 23:40 the other issue where my str is 4 is a bit peculiar, though 23:41 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 23:43 dizzylizzy\ito: NetHack's actually fairly resistant to balance changes, which is good as it means you can add things to the game or remove things from it and it'll still usually be winnable and not too easy 23:43 most variants attempt to balance the game to some extent, although some are better at it than others 23:44 arguably wizard mode is very unbalanced as game modes go, although it isn't a variant 23:46 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:46 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:47 Hmm 23:48 We need a level 5 matter spell, a spellbook of wishing 23:48 5? 23:48 it's been considered by variant developers but normally at a rather higher level than that :-D 23:49 ADOM (another roguelike game, probably the most NetHack-like of the major roguelikes apart from NetHack itself) actually has a wish spell, but it's basically impossible to cast 23:49 bouquet: Yeah, no clue. 23:49 ais523: Ditto for D&D. I forget all the restrictions on casting Wish - I think only once ever? 23:50 it changes from version to version 23:50 in D&D 3 it's remarkably unrestricted 23:51 http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/wish.htm 23:51 the main cost is that you lose 5000 XP 23:51 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 23:51 which is quite a lot 23:52 in D&D 5, there's a 33% chance you become permanently unable to cast the spell if you aim for an effect outside the usual bounds 23:52 http://5e.d20srd.org/srd/spells/wish.htm 23:52 but there's also a huge range of "safe wishes" which have no consequences (e.g. duplicating any 8th-level or lower spell in the game) 23:53 wow, that's bonkers 23:53 XP costs in D&D confuse me 23:53 you go down a level or something because you wrote a scroll or created a magic item? 23:54 I think the concept's that you're putting a bit of yourself / your knowledge / your experience into the item itself 23:54 so you have less to learn from 23:54 left in yourself 23:56 it seems like it would be unbalanced among classes that do this sort of thing a lot like wizards and classes that don't like fighters 23:56 (d20srd's a pretty interesting site, basically the legal sitation surrounding versions 3 and 5 of D&D is that you can use about 99% of it but there's a small proportion you can't use, part of what you can't use is the name, which is why the name of the site is apparently unconnected with the game itself) 23:59 for reference, if you're sufficiently high-level to be casting Wish, then 5000 XP is somewhere around ΒΌ of an experience level