00:03 K2: pushed new updates, last gameplay updates before jnh (I hope), incorporates latest curses code 00:03 !tell K2 pushed new updates, last gameplay updates before jnh (I hope), incorporates latest curses code 00:03 Will do, aosdict! 00:05 Ooh 00:05 aosdict: Anything particularly exciting? 00:10 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] Zanza (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3429 00:14 It really should say which scroll was read 00:14 aosdict: :D TY for reducing secret passageway chances 00:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] satchmo (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:5345 00:21 <@Zanza ( PC )> Scroll of identification question: I had a scroll of identification and 2 unknown brown spell books. I figured it would be safe to select both the books. One book came out uncursed and the other came out as just saying it was a spellbook of deteeect treasure. Now I have already BUC checked it and I know it wasn't cursed so this other spellbook that is just listed as Detect Treasure is blessed correct? 00:21 <@Zanza ( PC )> because the scroll only identified one of them 00:21 <@Zanza ( PC )> and it was uncursed 00:22 aos, is xnethack going to be part of junethack? I don't see it listed 00:23 Zanza: This seems rather confused. If you already BUC-checked it, you know if it is blessed, and why identify two spellbooks of like description? 00:24 <@Zanza ( PC )> I didn't know it was a scroll of identification. Didn't have anything else I needed to identify 00:24 <@Zanza ( PC )> figured why not, and since one was uncursed and the other unidentified I guess it must be blessed 00:25 <@Zanza ( PC )> Oh wait I guess I Cursed/Uncursed checked it 00:25 <@Zanza ( PC )> I don't know how to test for blessed 00:25 If two items with the same appearance don't stack it means that they have different BUC generally 00:26 <@Zanza ( PC )> Oh didn't realize BUC testing was done on altars, I only knew about it with the cat 00:26 Pavel\ito: Spellbooks don't stack anyway. 00:26 <@Zanza ( PC )> Does it work with all altars or only our altars? 00:26 Any altar, even Moloch's 00:26 <@Zanza ( PC )> Very cool didn't know that 00:28 So I think what happened is the scroll IDed only the first item, which you now know is an uncursed spellbook of detect treasure. The second's type is identified by virtue of that, but you still don't know if it's blessed or uncursed. 00:29 <@Zanza ( PC )> Well I read it and I got a wrenching sentation... not indication I learned anything from it so I would assume it was not blessed 00:29 <@Zanza ( PC )> Didn't think that spellbooks didn't stack 00:29 -!- Elronnd\srn is now known as Elronnd 00:33 ._. there are 4 cross-aligned altars on dlvl1 of my game 00:33 0 coaligned ones, naturally 00:34 Later it will be easy to convert one and a sacfest immediately on D:1 is rarely wise. 00:34 IDK how to convert altars 00:34 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 00:34 I guess you should look it up, then? 00:35 Yep 00:36 [hdf-us] [nh361] Zanza (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4149 00:38 [hdf-us] [nh361] cassiopeiastar (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 507 points, T:1279, killed by a hobgoblin 00:39 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:41 Junethack: New user Victoria registered! https://junethack.net/user/Victoria 00:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] satchmo (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8525 01:07 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 01:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 01:09 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:35 argh, crossaligned monkeytown with only izchak's shop 01:35 and quetz is mad at me for praying too soon 01:35 Why does a lockpick cost 27zm yet a key costs only 18zm 01:36 raisse, urgh 01:36 because a lockpick is a more intricate design 01:36 (also it exercises dexterity which a key doesn't) 01:37 It is a mystery to me how my ping to us.hardfought.org is actually 5ms slower than ping to eu.hardfought.org 01:37 Grassy: and izchak has a brass lantern and an oil lamp and no magic lamp 01:37 aren't connections to EU from asia routed through the US? 01:37 raisse, double urgh 01:38 raisse, interestingly I am playing a lawful dwarf in monkey town at this very moment too 01:38 but! I bought 6 tins of spinach and 3 lumps of royal jelly in the health food store 01:38 attie, no 01:38 they put a cable through saudi arabia? 01:38 they'll usually take whatever route is quicker 01:40 attie: https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ 01:41 not all traffic goes via submarine cables, but they do handle most of the trunk traffic 01:41 internationally 01:42 raisse, at least my Izchak has a magic lamp 01:42 I read that as "intentionally" and thought "well, it would be strange if they did it by mistake" 01:42 and a general shop 01:42 interesting 01:43 a rothe killed me in the corridor because I was running away from ants without looking out 01:43 general shop has +1 banded mail, so I'm grabbing that as my arc is otherwise still at AC9 01:44 and a hobgoblin bequeathed me an orcish helm 01:44 I got one from a goblin on dlvl 1 01:48 argh now I'm a wererat 01:49 and once again Quetz doesn't like me 01:49 attie: u should traceroute it :D 01:50 suicide by shopkeeper 01:50 (unintentional, I typoed into him) 01:51 i sorta want to kill off all my characters in preparation for junethack 01:52 winny: I did, but it's difficult to tell what's where 01:53 apparently there's only two hops between singapore and paris? 01:53 i think your best bet would be to geoipit 01:53 that's pretty good 01:53 i wouldn't expect that either 01:57 Hi attie. 01:57 How's the ping to the au server from there? 01:58 150ms 01:58 vs ~250 to us or eu 01:58 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:00 ah well at least it's an improvement. Unlike for Grasshopper, unfortunately. 02:01 clearly hong kong would be an optimal place to put your asia server :P 02:02 heh 02:02 There's an entirely unique feeling of saltiness that comes with getting an orcish minetown 02:02 or singapore I guess, it seems fairly central and quite well-connected 02:03 I think we may have to look at standing one up in Asia long-term. Yeah I think sg would be a good choice. 02:05 We should have a survey of where approximately people live 02:05 Grassy: Thinking about your situation... have you considered split-tunnelling? It'd probably help. 02:07 by which I mean (based on my memory of what you said the other day)... You're using a HK-based VPN to work around freenode rejecting addresses provided by your ISP. You could set up static routes such that freenode traffic uses the VPN interface, and nethack traffic does not. 02:07 Can't you do a survey of IP addresses that connect to the servers? Do you keep any logs? 02:11 attie: Yes, probably. Though to my knowledge no effort has been made to collect any stats from them. Maybe I'll write a script to go through them tonight and look them up against a geoip database, if I get bored. 02:12 heh. I'm curious now... I may actually do that :) 02:22 tbh i often look forward to orcish minetown 02:22 makes early game very interesting 02:29 Well you see 02:29 I'm bad 02:30 I had everything planned out for how I was going to complete the quest for the first time 02:30 And then boom, orcish town 02:31 of late i've found it difficult to play a character to completion 02:32 i have a few barb and valk saves on various servers and locally 02:32 all very promising and probably can't kill unless i make a mistake 02:32 maybe that's why its boring lol 02:33 ._. My quest portal is in big room lol 02:38 Tangles, hmmm, split tunneling, interesting, will have to give it a go 02:39 however the VPN doesn't seem to slow my connection very much, or at least in the order of <20ms difference anyway 02:41 ah ok. If you have already tried it with the VPN disabled, that's what you'll get. 02:50 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 02:51 !ping 02:51 Grasshopper: Pong! 02:53 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:10 Junethack: New user mono registered! https://junethack.net/user/mono 03:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] dizzylizzy (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7235 03:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] dizzylizzy (Val Dwa Fem Law), 22648 points, T:8243, killed by a leocrotta 03:35 welp that was fun 03:57 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:59 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 04:00 Is there going to be a way to have a config file for 1.3d? 04:27 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:42 "You have a forbidding feeling... You hear a distant explosion. 04:42 " 04:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:52 -!- hpardis has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:57 isn't that over-concise? 04:59 oh it's 1.3, I see 04:59 Junethack: New user Roomba registered! https://junethack.net/user/Roomba 05:08 "You finish eating the golden naga hatchling corpse. You feel healthy." 05:08 yay 05:21 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:24 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 05:26 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:30 object 202 zap? Program in disorder - perhaps you'd better Quit. 05:30 when I tried zapping a wand at myself in 1.3d 05:35 . 05:35 LarienTelrunya: Message from @rikersan at 2018-05-28 20:29 EDT: can I still be in slexy robber nymphets if I plan on genociding 'n' almost every game? 05:36 !tell rikersan of course, you can genocide whatever you want in-game, as long as it helps you score more trophies/get more unique deaths/ascend more often :D 05:36 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 05:37 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:40 !tell Pinkbeast don't let the fact that you won't play a lot of slex stop you from joining us! my clan also welcomes players who mainly play vanilla or other variants :) 05:40 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 05:41 !tell AntiGulp add more monsters to splicehack please! *bundlebundlebundle* 05:41 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 05:42 -!- LarienTelrunya is now known as AmyBSOD\srn 05:50 -!- tungtn has left #hardfought 05:52 -!- tungtn has joined #hardfought 06:09 @Winsalot if you want to join ootc, I can give you a discord invite 06:13 <[Demo]1> is ootc gonna be ok? 06:13 <[Demo]1> r u all gonna get more ppl? 06:15 yes 06:15 I have been asleep 06:15 but I've now invited all the ootc members that has registered so far 06:15 still some pending registration like shpingrlde and @mtf 06:15 <[Demo]1> ok 06:17 [Demo]1: I'll add a mason role to the next slex version! :) 06:19 <[Demo]1> what will it do? 06:19 it will have a technique that creates walls around you, and depending on your XL you can set the radius in which the walls appear :) 06:19 an XL30 mason will be able to wallify a 13x13 area! 06:20 and with the right equipment and intrinsics, that can be increased to 21x21 06:20 <[Demo]1> neat 06:20 gonna be very useful for the bigroom in particular, I guess 06:31 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 06:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 06:34 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:40 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 06:41 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:48 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 06:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:06 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 07:28 Junethack: New user xiella registered! https://junethack.net/user/xiella 07:49 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 07:54 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:20 -!- khoR_ has joined #hardfought 08:22 -!- khoR has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:29 alrighty 08:29 K2: Message from aosdict at 2018-05-29 00:03 EDT: pushed new updates, last gameplay updates before jnh (I hope), incorporates latest curses code 08:29 lets do some updates 08:33 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 182898 points, T:36713, killed by a hill giant 08:34 noooo 08:35 did I break stuff 08:35 nope 08:35 was saying noooo to mightyquinn's death 08:35 damn 08:35 to make it that far, especially in sporkhack, and die to a hill giant 08:35 yeah 08:36 !lastgame mightyquinn 08:36 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mightyquinn/sporkhack/dumplog/1527094403.sp.txt 08:36 gah 08:36 he kept trying to eat while being attacked 08:41 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 768 points, T:941, killed by an elf zombie 08:42 yeah dying 36k turns in is never good. 08:43 wish he/she was in the channel, they play sporkhack a fair amount, wouldnt mind talking shop 08:45 xNetHack updated (all servers) 08:45 now for beholder 08:46 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 08:46 -!- tolkien.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ New server in Sydney, AU - one step closer to world domination :) 08:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 08:46 !ping 08:46 K2: Pong! 08:48 ok 08:48 !who 08:48 K2: [hdf-us] No current players 08:48 K2: [hdf-eu] Anya [nh361] Raisse [nh361] 08:48 K2: [hdf-au] Tangles [nh4] 08:48 yay Tangles on the au server 08:48 heh dungeon level 2: The hobbit wields a morning star named Trollsbane! The morning star named Trollsbane welds itself to the hobbit's hand! 08:49 hah 08:49 what's worse than Trollsbane? cursed Trollsbane! 08:49 poor hobbit. 08:49 put the hobbit out of his/her misery? 08:49 gonna laugh if it kills you 08:50 Slasher took care of it. 08:51 aosdict I like your tweak to the castle and barracks/courtroom 08:52 Poes picks up a ring. Poes drops a ring. Poes falls into a pit. Poes is killed! 08:52 thanks 08:52 on T:9 08:56 now we need some 1.3d games to see how livelogging does for it 09:06 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:07 Junethack: New user dgoddard registered! https://junethack.net/user/dgoddard 09:11 ....and poison instadeath 09:12 that's the first time in a while. I guess I was due one 09:13 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1083 points, T:2915, killed by a gnome lord, while fainted from lack of food 09:15 all credit to these 9 nurses who worked hard to bring my hpmax from 116 to 238 09:15 I wonder if I should go a third round 09:31 the nurse boogie 09:41 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 09:46 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:08 aosdict: yes 10:08 go for 350! 10:08 YANI: Telling a vault guard you are Croesus sometimes fails and turns the guard hostile. Maybe with a Charisma-based check. 10:10 winny: I'd rather just go for the ascension at this point (after final alchemizing) 10:11 fair 10:12 YANI: telling the vault guard you're Croesus has a small % chance of the guard responding with 'oh really? then who's this guy right here?' and in comes Croesus checking on his vault. 10:13 don't be silly, croesus is far too important for that 10:13 he covets his gold 10:16 if i had that kind of cash laying around various places, i'd do an audit every so often 10:16 s/cash/gold 10:17 but... if you were ever in the habit of using his name everytime to make the guard go away, that'd probably be the last time you ever did it if Croesus showed up ;) 10:17 or if not Croesus himself, he sends an emmissary 10:17 like a silver dragon 10:18 they also like gold 10:31 [hdf-us] [fh] Sia (krm26) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 15989 points, T:622, killed by a boulder 10:35 A wand of wishing (0:2) for 666 zorkmids. Pay? [yn] (n) 10:35 heh 10:36 don't do it! it's the devil's price! 10:38 hmm nh4 doesn't livelog 10:38 actually I think I knew that 10:38 [hdf-us] [nh13d] Demo (Valkyrie ### Fem ###) killed the ghost of , the former Valkyrie, on T:358 10:39 [hdf-us] [nh13d] Demo (Val Fem), 1000 points, T:407, demon 10:39 uh that was the ghost of winny 10:39 not degree 10:40 also winny im beating u in 1.3d pvp now 10:40 nice Demo__ 10:40 know any good nethack1.3d spoiers? 10:40 spoilers, rather 10:40 the source 10:40 lol 10:41 im just playing it cause i dont feel like playing a real game 10:41 lol 10:41 that's why i was playing it too 10:46 Junethack: New user catterhu registered! https://junethack.net/user/catterhu 10:46 Junethack: New user Kontroller registered! https://junethack.net/user/Kontroller 10:49 So many splicehack bugs will be found this june 10:50 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Bar Ang Mal Law) killed Mister Admonisher, on T:23508 10:51 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Bar Ang Mal Law) killed Rendtbar, on T:23523 10:54 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:54 hah nice 10:54 1.3d livelog! 10:56 meh 10:56 'night 10:58 nooo 10:58 gnite Tangles 11:08 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo (Val Ang Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2277 11:08 that msg never gets old 11:09 <@Winsalot> lol 11:12 silver mjollnir is so bad ass 11:12 makes it a viable endgame weapon 11:12 Perhaps, in lieu of object materials being wishable, I'll add some expensive way to change the material of an object. 11:13 funny thing is, i didnt wish for silver mjollnir in this gh game 11:13 my deity gave it to me this way 11:13 <@Tone> Yeah that sounds pretty nice 11:14 aosdict: create a forge system 11:14 take existing items and melt them down make your own stuff 11:14 <@Tone> Any silver artifact is probably pretty nice for end game 11:14 trainable skill 11:14 <@Tone> Silver fire brand would be great 11:15 apropos of nothing, I love making floating eyes invisible (before I have intrinsic see invis of course) 11:15 <@Winsalot> Silver grayswandir would be nice as well 11:15 in grunthack if you have a silver long sword you can dip it for excalibur and have silver excalibur 11:15 @Winsalot lol 11:15 <@Tone> 🤔 11:16 winsalot: isn't grayswandir already silver? :-P 11:17 A trap door opens up under you! You don't fit through. 11:17 ^^ benefits of playing a giant 11:18 <@Winsalot> Yeah, but like what if it was even more silver ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 11:18 a silver silver grayswandir 11:19 its like 'what's the only thing better than bacon? bacon wrapped in bacon' 11:21 Yeah, the problem with allowing reforging or recrafting is, everything gets turned to silver. There's no real competition for other materials. 11:21 Glass might be competitive though... 11:24 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo (Val Ang Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a cobra, on T:4102 11:25 Junethack: New user mtf registered! https://junethack.net/user/mtf 11:33 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 11:33 well mithril is light 11:33 and i have made the suggestion before that mithril armor shouldnt have a s large a spell casting penality as other metal armor 11:33 because you know... its mithril 11:36 <@Winsalot> Add adamantim and rune metals as well 11:36 heh 11:36 @Winsalot did you want an ootc invite earlier? 11:36 wolverine! 11:36 <@Winsalot> FIQ: yeah I guess 11:36 what is your username on junethack 11:37 @Winsalot dont sound too excited now... 11:37 <@Winsalot> winsalot 11:37 <@Winsalot> Im not sure tbh 11:37 yo antigulp what are you using for the knockback from wind push code? 11:37 <@Winsalot> Amy really wants me in her team 11:37 @Winsalot invited 11:37 feel free to join whatever you want 11:38 if you do join ootc, tell me and I'll give you an invite to our discord 11:38 Demo__: I’ve been using hurtle and mhurtle. The only bad part is it causes temporary stun when hitting walls. 11:38 AntiGulp: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-29 05:41 EDT: add more monsters to splicehack please! *bundlebundlebundle* 11:38 <@Winsalot> But Amy didnt implement the changes I asked for in slex. So I guess Im joining FIQ 😃 11:38 heh :P 11:39 hahah 11:39 (backscroll) FIQ we didnt shun you last year 11:40 K2: you did 11:40 I didn't quite understand why at first, one of yours talked to me in private about your reasoning 11:41 Completely understandable 11:41 right 11:41 what OSes do yall use 11:41 it wasnt a shun 11:41 that sounds bad 11:41 K2: I never said you *shunned* me 11:41 just that you rejected me 11:41 :P 11:41 winny: windows 10 woooo 11:41 woooo 11:41 @Winsalot I sent you a discord pm with an invite if you didn't notice 11:41 and ubuntu for linux stuff 11:41 brb food 11:41 osx 11:41 winny: macos for my laptop, ubuntu for most of my servers in AWS 11:42 i think i hate software 11:42 i use DOS 11:42 not version this or that 11:42 i wish i could use dos 11:42 just 'DOS' 11:42 i wish i could use freebsd honestly 11:42 sometimes 11:43 i sometimes miss mucking about with BASIC 11:43 i sort of fucked myself with archlinux over the last few years, gunna write a ranty essay about it 11:44 how so? 11:46 i have a lot of things i could discuss about that, but currently i'm enjoying typical aur brain damage 11:46 :) 11:46 -!- raisse is now known as raisse\splat 11:46 if you just want to run linux stably, and be in the big boat with lots of other folks, the answer is centos, ubuntu, and maybe debian 11:46 <@Winsalot> winny: xubuntu 16.04 11:46 * raisse\splat is partial to opensuse but (k)ubuntu is okay 11:47 i need to do more research, but i'm considering gentoo with a binpkg host 11:47 depends on your needs. I don't know any software dev house that does primary dev on any other than centos or ubuntu 11:47 i manage near identical installations across a few machines, so this would work nicely 11:47 <@Winsalot> http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/ is great I heard 11:48 hmm waht do i do with splicehack furnaces other than burn my apples in them? 11:48 My favorite distros are Fedora and OpenSUSE 11:48 !tell bhaak I don’t know if its too late, but I have trophy images for SpliceHack-specific and XNetHack-specific achievements. 11:48 Will do, AntiGulp! 11:48 winny: do you actually need any particular thing that isn't in one of the mainstream distros? 11:49 Demo__: Not much, furnaces are on my list of things to expand. They’re good for destroying items you do not want around, and dipping something can fireproof or bless it (if it doesn’t burn up) 11:49 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 6216 points, T:6478, killed by a priest of Ptah 11:49 ubuntu 18.04 has python 3.6 by default, which is a nicety for some developers 11:50 that is probably the only distro related dependency I've had in years that really mattered 11:50 is ubuntu 18.x finally out? 11:50 why doesnt it give a message when it blesses or erodeproofs? 11:50 K2: yeah 18.04 is out, but LTS won't get upgrade path from 16.04 until 18.04.01 11:50 yes k2 11:50 (is the usual thing) 11:50 I'm glad Ubuntu has at least one package that isn't horribly outdated 11:51 Pavel\ito: if you're running servers, outdated packages aren't generally the main concern 11:51 dtype: that's a good question, and i could rattle off some mildly buzzwordy things like near-vanilla sources & feature configuration, but i honestly haven't considered precisely what features I -need- 11:51 * Pavel\ito powers his servers with Fedora 11:51 wait itll kill me if i drink from it? 11:51 thats pretty cruel 11:51 near vanilla source isn't a feature. ;) 11:52 winny: archlinux 11:52 lmao 11:52 i rather never touch archlinux again 11:52 It contains lava, so yes. 11:52 5 year security updates is a features 11:52 there's no good warning of that 11:52 winny: Heh. As long as my OS of choice doesn't get in the way, I don't mind 11:52 nao ran ubuntu 14.04 until this month 11:52 And arch tends to not do that IME 11:53 Fedora also comes with SELinux preconfigured, not many distros do that. 11:53 Well, systemd does at times... but I can't exactly avoid that even if I switch to another distro 11:53 regrettably somehow arch has been pretty obstrusive to my workflow for months now 11:53 i really don't mind systemd 11:53 fix the losehp(999 :P 11:53 Yeah that’s a bad hack. Should just set hp directly. 11:53 though i am a bit irritated with journald's watchdog killing journald when disk io is saturated 11:54 make sure it checks if ur polyd 11:54 winny: IME systemd isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be on one hand. On the other, the BSD-style init never got in my way ever, was easy to configure and set up, and never gave me issues 11:54 i've not found either to be obtrusive 11:54 and if polyd does poly hp x2 +1 dmg or whatever 11:54 while systemd has at times done exactly that 11:54 FIQ: i share a similar opinion 11:54 for example 11:54 I like systemd 11:54 some years ago I was debugging something that kept segfaulting 11:55 suddenly my system would slow down to a crawl and be almost completely frozen for several minutes 11:55 after the system woke up, I continued debugging 11:55 another segfault, similar scenario 11:55 in the end I found out that journald was doing something... weird 11:55 classic systemd prank 11:55 I don't really remember what was wrong, but it was systemd-caused 11:56 FIQ: yep, probably experienced the same problem 11:56 * Pavel\ito has never had sustemd problems 11:56 my main distribution related issue in the past few years has been that AWS likes newer versions of python for several things, and goes as far as to install its own python dependencies in many cases, so older distributions have been a bit distracting when doing AWS tasks 11:57 other than that, having newest version of X doesn't generally affect most tasks 11:57 default systemd configuration stresses your disk io real bad, because it writes entire coredumps to disk, which can deny cause journald to segfault because it couldn't write to the journal in a reasonable time (and it SIGQUITs itself after the deadline) 11:57 as long as distribution is keeping up with security of course 11:57 so you get double wammy on slow disks 11:58 I just use digital ocean, nothing fancy like aws or azure 11:58 100% of systems should be on SSDs these days for system drives 11:59 Meh 11:59 Don't want to pay for that 11:59 is 50 bucks 11:59 I'm poor 11:59 and makes your machine 10x faster for system tasks 12:00 I paid 140 euro more for a half-terabyte SSD instead of a 240GB hard disk 12:00 K2: [backscroll] Mithril already has three great features: higher defense, half as light as any metal, immune to erosion. I don't think it needs further buffs. 12:00 why should I pay for preventing systemd for shitting itself 12:00 raisse\splat: best money spent 12:00 if I can bill the systemd devs for it, sure 12:00 AntiGulp: where can I see these trophy images 12:01 yes! glad I made that decision 12:01 aosdict: I threw them together in like five minutes in gimp, so don’t expect anything crazy. Hmmmm let’s see where to host 12:01 I mean, I didn't actually pay for storage on my computer. I just took apart a bunch of computers I found at an electronics recycling center. 12:02 I have 4 hdds in raid 0 12:02 afk shower 12:03 ssd for life 12:03 aosdict: https://imgur.com/a/97c0xO4 12:04 I have an 80gb external ssd I use for rainbow 6 siege 12:06 K2: if I was building a new computer I'd use a hybrid drive rather than an ssd 12:06 my main desktop is dual ssd in raid 0 12:06 M2 variety 12:06 ridiculously fast 12:06 (sp) 12:07 Or you could have an m2 hybrid and have a lot more space 12:09 i have a 32TB NAS in the basement 12:09 good to go on space 12:11 Nice 12:11 @Winsalot: you dirty traitor! don't count on me helping you with slex-related gameplay stuff during the tournament :P 12:12 Hmm wat? 12:12 Oh yeah the Discord people have their own clan 12:14 I've been trying to get my dad to join jnh since he's been playing 1.3d for a couple decades 12:15 no shit 12:15 he ever hop on irc? 12:15 Not as far as I know 12:15 <@Winsalot> AmyBSOD: sory, but it had to be done. Your help didn't get me to ascension anyway 😃 12:16 bah. I will remember your betrayal, and add several dozen messages about it to slex :P 12:16 <@Winsalot> Nice 😃 12:17 AmyBSOD: No new SpliceHack monsters until after I fix the boring special levels and make the new roles more fun. 12:17 awwwwww 12:18 @Winsalot: http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1527610720479.png :D 12:24 dizzylizzy\ito: you're playing slex? you should turn your back on ito and join my clan :D 12:25 Oi 12:25 You already have the biggest clan 12:25 Pavel\ito that'd be cool if your dad played in the tourney also 12:25 yeah but my clan doesn't have a Luxidream, so we need strength in numbers ;) 12:25 bhaak: can you make more than one admin for a clan? 12:25 or at least more than one inviter 12:26 FIQ: Thief! Give winsalot back to me or I'll spawn Demogorgon in your next slex game! :P 12:26 * raisse\splat would like that know that too 12:26 in the devnull tribute elenmirie and I were co-admins 12:27 AntiGulp: lessee... permadeaf, permahallu, marathon mode, and uhhh I have no idea? 12:27 (killing king in yellow. Probably not possible without cheese) 12:28 AmyBSOD\srn: it was not my choice 12:28 I suggested @Winsalot join whatever clan he wanted 12:28 For permahallu, I might go with something more... psychedelic. 12:28 I didn't realize he had an invite for you already 12:28 Sorry 12:29 well he actually even was in my clan already :( 12:29 how is my clan supposed to tackle teamsplat if we don't even get enough members? 12:29 (princess mode :P) 12:29 in any case, AmyBSOD\srn 12:30 Yeah I wasn’t sure what to do for permahallu. Maybe a rainbow @ 12:30 I suggest you not try to encourage people to leave clans they are already in 12:30 don't be afraid of us, be afraid of ito because afaik they're the continuation of ootc 12:30 let me see what I can scare up 12:30 to avoid causing unneccessary unfriendlyness all around 12:30 augh I only came back to my laptop to look up a smoothie recipe, can't get distracted 12:30 yeah I was only joking anyway, but I guess I'll drop it 12:33 AmyBSOD\srn if you're going to poach players that are already in another clan, dont do it here 12:33 got it? 12:33 slex is somethin' else all right!! This is so different 12:33 K2: yes sir! sorry 12:34 Junethack: New user Webmant registered! https://junethack.net/user/Webmant 12:35 K2: just making sure: the no-poaching rule is valid for everyone in the channel? so others also can't poach my members, I hope? 12:35 figured that was a given 12:35 AmyBSOD\srn: teamsplat is not the enemy. iooc is the enemy 12:36 what is iooc 12:36 improved order of cockatrice? :D 12:36 iootc? 12:36 lol 12:36 <@Winsalot> ( ⚆ _ ⚆ ) mfw looking at what's going on when I hopped clans. Sorry 12:36 ootc 12:36 whatever 12:36 those buggers 12:37 down with cockatrix i say 12:37 hey 12:37 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 12:37 ootc is not enemy 12:37 pfff 12:37 well not yours 12:37 also how do I make an avatar 12:37 for the clan 12:37 <@Winsalot> I am the enemy I guess 12:37 as in how do I add one 12:37 FIQ: MS Paint :) 12:38 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38 AmyBSOD\srn: how do I add one 12:38 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 12:38 FIQ: it must be square, and then you upload it to gravatar and ask bhaak to include it on the clan page ;) 12:39 AmyBSOD\srn: upload to gravatar under what user 12:39 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:30081 12:39 uhh, well, I just uploaded it with my default email address and bhaak then did some magic to link it to the slexyrobbernymphets hash 12:39 not sure how he managed that but the important part is that it works :) 12:39 ah 12:39 well I already have a gravatar for my own purposes 12:41 meh I'll look into it later 12:42 -!- Pinkbeast has left #hardfought 12:42 -!- Pinkbeast has joined #hardfought 12:55 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 13:01 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:10 <@luxidream> !tell introsp3ctive boop 13:10 Will do, @luxidream! 13:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:34906 13:15 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 13:15 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Changing host] 13:15 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 13:40 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 13:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 13:43 Junethack: New user SexyIvy registered! https://junethack.net/user/SexyIvy 13:43 ^^ she's mine. Woe to anyone who tries to poach her off the nymphets. :P 13:44 imma try 13:45 invitation sent, lets see lol 13:45 duuuuude 13:45 :3 13:46 she's already joined srn! you thief! 13:46 ah damn lol 13:47 not impossible that she would've joined my clan :P 13:47 ah well, back to node.js streams 13:49 * K2 is installing a SAS card in a 1U ESXi server 13:49 i hate the little blue clips they use to secure installed pci cards 13:49 they make me sad 13:50 why do you have so much hardware thingies 13:50 i'm the sysadmin for a medium sized company 13:50 i see 13:50 the owners do not want to let go of their ancient as400 that runs a pain in the ass ERP suite 13:51 i looked a bit into vmware shortly but quickly decided that its nothing for me 13:51 and tape backups are slooooow 13:51 ooh as400 13:51 Wow. 13:51 so i talked them into letting me purchase laservault for the company 13:51 we wrote a consuming api for it once 13:52 laservault is a windows server that runs as a VM and replaces the tape backup drive 13:52 still over SAS (hence the card install) 13:52 AS/400 has the distinction of being the only computer system I've ever seen anyone ask the IF community about, with regard to whether there's a z-machine port for it, and the answer was no. 13:52 but the transfer speed and reliability is orders of magnitute faster / better 13:52 magnitude 13:52 you all know i cant spell... why do i even bother correcting myself 13:53 If you couldn't spell, you wouldn't be able to do the corrections. We suspect the real problem is that you can't type. 13:53 probably 13:54 anyways. the as400 still thinks its conencted to a tape drive 13:54 so business as usual 13:54 but now i can do proper backups, backup the backups, and if worst case scenario happens, i can recover in a matter of a couple hours instead of a day or two 13:55 s/i can/will be able to 13:55 dont have laservault installed *yet* 13:55 SAS cards first heh 13:56 will nethack compile on an as400? 13:56 * K2 is feeling frisky 14:01 K2: No idea. 14:01 Haven't tried. 14:01 You might have to write a hints file for it. 14:02 i wouldnt know what to put in it 14:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:35135 14:02 Junethack: New clan FreeStateProject created! https://junethack.net/clan/FreeStateProject 14:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35137 14:02 i'm such a newbie regarding the AS/400 14:02 there might be a resource online somewhere from long ago 14:05 Junethack: New clan ItExplodes created! https://junethack.net/clan/ItExplodes 14:05 Junethack: New user Wooble registered! https://junethack.net/user/Wooble 14:16 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 14:19 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:21 [hdf-us] [dyn] the fitness gram pacer test (Luxidream) (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 12765 points, T:10927, killed by a minotaur 14:21 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 14:22 <@luxidream> !lastgame luxidream 14:22 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dynahack/dumplog/2018-05-29%2014_21_39%2C%20the%20fitness%20gram%20pacer%20test-Ran-Orc-Mal-Cha%2C%20died.txt 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:36845 14:32 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 14:33 Beholder: messages? 14:33 hi ais523 14:34 Junethack: New user DongBoy registered! https://junethack.net/user/DongBoy 14:34 hi 14:34 Hello ais523, Welcome to #hardfought 14:34 ooh, Junethack setup 14:34 I should probably join that channel 14:38 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:40 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:38301 14:42 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:38326 14:42 Junethack: New user Tariru registered! https://junethack.net/user/Tariru 14:43 let the feeding frenzy begin 14:43 lol was about to say 14:43 -!- Cassieopeia__ has joined #hardfought 14:43 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:38373 14:44 for the record i advocate a rule that tariru be his own clan 14:44 oh, tariru isn't in channel :( 14:45 he's probably avoiding amy 14:46 awwww amy's cute, in a yappy puppy dog sort of way 14:47 I can't stand yappy dogs, personally 14:47 not even tail-wagging facelicking puppies? 14:48 -!- zjmc__ has joined #hardfought 14:48 i will put you in a room full of them. you'll love them 14:48 puppies that bundlebundlebundle 14:48 hahah 14:48 with their soft fleecy tails... 14:48 i wonder if 'bundlebundlebundle' flags amy's irc client 14:49 <[Demo]1> probably some dumb windows client 14:49 <[Demo]1> so no 14:49 we should make a drinking game out of it in fact 14:49 lol, yeah 14:49 hi AmyBSOD\srn :P 14:49 hothraxxa: I like puppies in general, but not breeds of small dogs that bark incessantly even when full grown 14:49 do a shot for everytime you see 'bundlebundlebundle' or 'fleecy' 14:50 <[Demo]1> or hearts 14:50 and then pound back a six pack everytime she asks someone to join her junethack clan 14:50 aosdict: well that's not the kind i had in mind. i meant enthusiastic happy puppies 14:50 reserve a spot at your local hospital 14:50 [Demo]1 yeah hearts too 14:51 i'm already drunk just thinking about it 14:51 you people are cruel 14:52 <[Demo]1> can you call in reservations at hospitals? :P 14:52 <[Demo]1> if i were a hospital id totally let ppl do it 14:52 you're american, right? 14:52 -!- Cassieopeia_ has quit [*.net *.split] 14:52 -!- zjmc_ has quit [*.net *.split] 14:53 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [*.net *.split] 14:53 the NHS has enough trouble with drunken injuries as it is, without this! 14:53 <[Demo]1> oh yeah im sure in canada that would be a challenge 14:53 <[Demo]1> but yes 100% american 0% not american 14:54 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 14:54 <[Demo]1> brb restarting pot 14:54 <[Demo]1> bot 14:54 -!- [Demo]1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54 heh 14:54 pot. we're legalizing that 14:54 -!- [Demo][srn] has joined #hardfought 14:54 conversations never get old here 14:54 love it 14:54 hm, I wonder if pot would be more accurate than bot 14:55 <[Demo][srn]> Probably not 14:55 anybody got time to make another rhyme? 15:00 i like lemon and lime 15:00 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01 aaaaand i'm done 15:01 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 15:01 stop that rhyming, and I mean it! anybody want a peanut? 15:01 name the film for extra credit 15:01 blues brothers 15:02 nope 15:02 damn 15:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:39523 15:03 charlie brown's halloween adventure? 15:03 gaaaaaaaaaah why is junethack down? I want to invite Tariru ♥ 15:03 you answered your own question 15:04 [Demo][srn] drink! i see a heart 15:04 <[Demo][srn]> hahaha 15:04 everyone here has to play 15:04 !booze everyone 15:04 * Beholder delivers everyone a barrel of moonshine, fermented by Izchak at 390 Kelvin. 15:04 chug! 15:04 did everyone and their mother try to invite Tariru at the same time and that brought down the junethack server? 15:04 yes. tell yourself that 15:04 there are only like... 10 cland 15:04 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:39667 15:04 clans 15:05 AmyBSOD\srn in advance, I apologize 15:05 <@luxidream> doesn't tariru play for stenno's clan 15:05 <@Tone> He did during devnull 15:05 not unlikely 15:06 i can neither confirm nor deny that yet 15:06 <@Tone> I think he was independent in junethack previously? 15:10 thanks Pavel\ito 15:10 appreciate it 15:10 <[Demo][srn]> why are ppl seperating their clan with back slashes? 15:11 its s stylistic choice 15:11 Why are you doing it wrong? 15:11 a 15:11 hah 15:11 Pavel\ito 1 [Demo][srn] 0 15:11 <[Demo][srn]> it looks really weird that way 15:11 -!- AmyBSOD\srn has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:12 Amy did it first, uniformity is better than some individuals appearing with nicer nicks imo 15:14 but what about diverity and/or individuality 15:14 Express that with the first part of your nick 15:15 -!- AmyBSOD\srn has joined #hardfought 15:15 You have to express your individuality the same way everybody else does. By getting a tattoo that you pick off a "tattoo designs" site on the web, print out as a horrible-looking lossily-compressed .jpeg, and take into the tattoo parlor. 15:16 <[Demo][srn]> tattoos are the marking of a lower working class, why would one willingly mark themself that way? 15:16 elenmirie: [backscroll] Princess Bride, since apparently nobody else has heard of it. 15:16 damn, did my shitty irc client eat the post I had written? 15:17 * elenmirie awards aosdict the golden cookie 15:17 [Demo][srn]: Not sure. I choose to buck the trend by NOT getting a tattoo, thus expressing my (unusual, these days) lack of interest in such individuality . 15:17 elenmirie: is this cookie convertable to junethack trophies 15:17 no, sorry! 15:18 Though this may be partly because I have a weird irrational fear of hypodermic needles. 15:18 I know far more untattooed people than tattooed people. 15:19 I think unfoog started off doing it with the backslashes 15:19 ais523\unfoog, etc. 15:19 EIT used a prefix, EIT_krog 15:19 (Every time I have to get a shot or get blood drawn, my brain can't stop going over the notion that, if I twitch or something, maybe it'll shatter under my skin and I'll have a bazillion tiny sharts of hollow needle in my bloodstream. I once confessed this absurd fear to my family doctor. He assured me that he'd only ever seen that happen once. I think he was joking. Probably.) 15:19 *shards 15:19 <[Demo][srn]> arent needles made of metal? 15:19 I think so. 15:20 Steel, I believe. 15:20 I skip a step and decide I don't particularly need to express any individuality. 15:20 there are a ridiculous numbers of sorts of steel with different properties though 15:20 <[Demo][srn]> steel doesnt usually shatter? 15:20 <@Tone> Carbon steel would 15:20 <+jonadab> You have to express your individuality the same way everybody else does. By getting a tattoo that you pick off a "tattoo designs" site on the web, print out as a horrible-looking lossily-compressed .jpeg, and take into the tattoo parlor. <<<----- LOL 15:20 [Demo][srn]: I am fully aware that it's an absurd notion. 15:21 if you're just talking about basic carbon steel it depends on what cooling process was used 15:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "the blessed greased fixed +3 cloak of protection", on T:40344 15:21 <@Tone> Fair 15:21 however, hypodermic and intravenous needles are flexible 15:21 and carbon steels tend to be either flexible /or/ brittle, not both at once 15:21 ais523: I guess my post really got swallowed, so: would you like to make me very happy? my clan would love it if you were to join, considering you're the godfather of the evil patch and made the evil sokoban levels, and my clan is named after the variant that implemented them :) 15:21 (it's kind-of hard to be both at once for obvious reasons…) 15:22 AmyBSOD\srn: I'm not sure I'll have time to play at all 15:22 aww 15:22 Right, the odds that it would actually happen are extremely remote. I know this. I'm far more likely to get hit by a moving motor vehicle on the way home from getting the blood drawn or whatever. 15:22 But my brain won't stop going over the horrifying scenario anyway. 15:22 ais523: actually you should join the Improved Tin Openers because our tin openers are better. 15:23 <[Demo][srn]> !tell AntiGulp current PDSM gives sonic resistance and PDS gives sleep resistance and an orange dragon dropped me PDS 15:23 Will do, [Demo][srn]! 15:23 <[Demo][srn]> wait did he get a dumb name thing? 15:23 for some reason there tends to be a lot of demand for me as a clan member every tournament even though I'm hardly worth any points 15:23 <@Tone> I used to hate needles but I've since gotten used to them 15:23 So while I know getting blood drawn is actually relatively safe, objectively, it's still a rather uncomfortable experience for me. I thus have absolutely no desire to needlessly put myself through that horror for the amount of time required to get a tattoo. 15:24 [Demo][srn]: yes, AntiGulp\ito 15:24 -!- elenmirie is now known as elenmirie\splat 15:24 <@Tone> I have no tattoos though 15:24 ais523: all the other clans would be so envious if you were to join mine! come on, please register so I can invite you ♥ points or no points doesn't matter, it would be the shock and awe struck into the hearts of other players when they see that you're in srn! 15:24 How's this as a permahallu icon? https://i.imgur.com/WCZqeBt.png 15:24 Awesome 15:24 Not too happy with the white, personally, but I think it's better than black 15:24 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "the blessed greased fixed historic ring of free action", on T:40384 15:25 Heh. 15:25 The white is probably better than black, yes. Maybe make the colors a little darker, for more contrast? 15:25 aosdict: I like it 15:25 (Not TOO dark, obviously...) 15:25 <[Demo][srn]> !tell AntiGulp\ito current PDSM gives sonic resistance and PDS gives sleep resistance and an orange dragon dropped me PDS 15:25 Will do, [Demo][srn]! 15:25 But yes, the basic design is quite reasonable. 15:26 (Assuming the proportions are right; I didn't check, assuming you used the template.) 15:27 jonadab: Well, darkening the colors kind of defeats the purpose, they should be bright and psychedelic 15:27 aosdict: Perhaps so. 15:27 I mean, clearly they need to be as _saturated_ as possible. 15:28 actually wait, the spiral should be counterclockwise, because the @ sign is counterclockwise 15:28 make sure you're both looking at the image with the same gamma correction :-P 15:28 aosdict: they might be better in opposite directions, it's more confusing 15:28 aosdict: Heh. 15:29 I also experimented with making the @ or border also psychedelic, but it didn't work out as well 15:29 Yeah, I think I'd keep those solid. Probably. 15:30 I mean, I _suppose_ you could make the @ bright magenta and the background pink and orange and lime green, but. On the balance, I think the current design is fine the way it is. 15:30 clearly it needs to be a different colour each time you load the page 15:31 Whatever you do, don't turn it into an endlessly looping animated .gif. Someone will hurt you. 15:31 maybe it should look like one of the other trophies picked at random 15:31 Heh. 15:32 That could be the trophy for defeating a chameleon, though. 15:32 aosdict it should be a picture of shaggy and scooby-doo 15:32 Or for ascending polyinit mimic. 15:33 K2: Or a volkswaggon bus with flowers painted on the side? 15:33 even better 15:33 oooh 15:33 the grateful dead logo 15:33 I turned the white into light magenta, think it looks better this way 15:33 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:33 https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/692441136472784896/KowiUPSf_400x400.jpg 15:34 That's my history teacher's favorite band 15:34 or https://img.discogs.com/1Eq87rE95oI-QJKjNBiTnMY0yaQ=/480x472/smart/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/A-246650-1508519542-8128.jpeg.jpg 15:34 He tries super hard to make sure we're aware of that 15:34 my wife is a dead head 15:35 insert joke about the grateful dead being so out of date that only history teachers like them anymore 15:35 Eh, don't look at me, I listen to Bach. 15:35 ;) 15:35 [hdf-us] [spl] Demo (Val Ang Fem Law), 64780 points, T:8709, drowned in a pool of water by a giant eel 15:35 <[Demo][srn]> wow it one turn slammed me 15:35 was grateful dead the one with the heroin song? 15:35 <[Demo][srn]> !lastgame Demo 15:35 [Demo][srn]: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Demo/splicehack/dumplog/1527605389.splice.txt 15:35 only time i listen to the dead is when my wife has it on the stereo 15:36 <[Demo][srn]> or no im just dumb 15:36 (I actually listen to a lot of other stuff too, from a variety of genres; Back is only about half of my collection. But.) 15:36 stenno\ito there's a few? neil young comes to mind 15:36 (needle and the damage done) 15:36 *Bach 15:36 oh i mixed them up with velvet underground 15:36 ah 15:37 * Pavel\ito only listens to EDM 15:37 Which drug inspired "One Eyed One Horned Flying Purple People Eater"? 15:37 <[Demo][srn]> all of them 15:39 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 15:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 15:39 stenno\ito: if you can give me a good concept for ascending in dishonor, I'll make the image, but I can't think of a good design for it 15:39 eh 15:39 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:41116 15:39 hmm 15:39 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:41123 15:40 <[Demo][srn]> a holy hat thing with a sword through it 15:40 can't think of anything cool from the top of my head 15:40 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:41131 15:40 <[Demo][srn]> https://i.imgur.com/PEFIHcj.png or this but with an @ and a ` or * 15:43 Junethack: New user infinigon registered! https://junethack.net/user/infinigon 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:41403 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible high priest of Moloch, on T:41578 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:41586 15:53 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:41665 16:05 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:42328 16:12 full set of potential new xnh trophies: https://imgur.com/a/yz3WRgj 16:13 yay 16:13 any feedback is appreciated 16:15 Weaponless, deaf, permahallu, petless? 16:15 Do you have a nudist trophy? 16:15 ^ 16:15 Zen? 16:15 i always play nethack naked, so why not be nude in game too! 16:15 zen-nude 16:15 foodless nude zen atheist? 16:16 naked for the win 16:16 aosdict those look good 16:17 Toolless conflictless reflectionless resistance-free illiterate? 16:17 toolless is impossible 16:17 as long as you don't count the invocation objects 16:18 Fourk has it. You can #invoke the Bell and Candelabrum, IIRC? 16:18 tooless minus candles 16:18 I should wizmode test it, but I _think_ I exempted the things you technically have to do to win. 16:18 candles for the canldelabrum count as invocation objects in my book 16:21 <@Tone> Is resistance-free just intrinsics or extrinsics as well? 16:21 Wizmode test complete: "You have not used tools, except for the invocation ritual." 16:22 <@Tone> A lot of roles violate that at level 1 :P 16:22 This is with the ritual complete. Used #invoke on the book, apply on the others. 16:22 (Attempting to read the Book gives you a warning if you're illit. You can #invoke it.) 16:22 @Tone I haven't actually implemented resistance-free. That one's just a wild idea. 16:23 <[Demo][srn]> couldnt resist it 16:23 Probably it would only count ones you can't avoid gaining, i.e., ones you gain from level up at level 14 or lower. 16:23 Err, only not count. 16:23 <@Tone> It could be an option you set like zen or nudist 16:23 Extrinsics... are arguable. Maybe that could be a subconduct. 16:23 Or, yes, that's a thought. 16:23 permanonresistant 16:23 jonadab: does toolless mean not using apply? 16:24 FIQ: Basically, yes. 16:24 what about #loot 16:24 I _think_ it checks that? 16:24 Let me test. 16:24 or invoke 16:24 <[Demo][srn]> what about wearing bags on ur head? 16:25 <@Tone> It should restrict #rubbing magic lamps as well 16:25 i like how you totally forgot how you implemented it 16:25 are you sure you can do toolless 16:26 FIQ: #loot seems to be exempt from toolless but DOES violate containerless. Not sure if I should change that. 16:27 containerless seems much more possible 16:27 the ais523-conduct 16:27 oh btw 16:27 i am so going to play the shit out of splicehack marathon mode 16:28 the ais523 conduct 16:28 I love it 16:28 I have way too many conducts 16:28 what about #tip? 16:28 stenno\ito: marathon mode? 16:28 raisse\splat: no #tip in 4k 16:28 oh right, that's a 3.6 thing 16:28 I did containerless once 16:28 didn't you do bagless once? 16:28 more commonly though I'll carry a sack to guard against item destruction 16:29 so containerless was /only/ once 16:29 like carried a large box instead? 16:29 (also it allowed the Castle chest) 16:29 stenno\ito: oh yes, I've done that too 16:29 ascend using a large box as my primary container 16:29 but that was more an inventory weight challenge than anything else 16:29 (I think I had the OoF too that game) 16:29 I've done the early game with a box. But switched to a bag when I finally found one. 16:29 <[Demo][srn]> inventoryless 16:29 or play the StatueSurfer conduct 16:29 FIQ: you start with 500 HP, and its impossible to heal or gain any hp 16:29 (the marathon mode) 16:29 stenno\ito: ooh 16:29 good one 16:29 yeah thats super cool 16:29 but is it implemented properly? 16:29 i will play this during junethack 16:30 <[Demo][srn]> in splice? 16:30 idk yet 16:30 <[Demo][srn]> doubtful 16:30 there's just so... many ways 16:30 i will see 16:30 yeah 16:30 to change HP 16:30 <[Demo][srn]> nothing is implemented right there 16:30 what even is splicehack 16:30 <[Demo][srn]> i highly doubt it works 16:30 do you know why FIQHack doesn't have heaven or hell? 16:30 <[Demo][srn]> a cool experimental variant 16:30 because it'd be a PITA to implement 16:30 that is the only reason 16:30 I saw it on the Junethack variant list and had no idea what it was 16:30 I *want* to add HoH 16:30 ais523: it's a new variant in town 16:30 FIQHack is no longer the new weird variant 16:30 <[Demo][srn]> a 3.6.1 based cooled variant that aims to be more kitchen sink like 16:30 <[Demo][srn]> it looks to me like its early slex 16:30 <[Demo][srn]> like slex in its beginning phases 16:30 it was released merely days after xnh 16:30 er 16:30 what i saw so far is really great 16:30 after 3.6.1 16:31 it was released on the same day? or one day before? 16:31 something silly 16:31 something like that yeah 16:31 bad timing 16:31 yep 16:31 ais523: it has a lot of dubious features 16:31 but some cool stuff 16:31 like the mode stenno\ito mentioned 16:31 <[Demo][srn]> its gonna be super unstable 16:31 <[Demo][srn]> its gonna be great 16:31 <[Demo][srn]> i wanna bug bust its balls off 16:31 splice will probably be like how dnh was in first junethack with dnh 16:31 <[Demo][srn]> yes 16:31 haha 16:32 eh, IMHO the best thing about slex is that I can steal stuff from it for slex, I'm not very fond of its actual gameplay :P 16:32 poor AntiGulp 16:32 <[Demo][srn]> except no one will play it cause there are too many other variants 16:32 does he even realize what he got himself into 16:32 nice to do 1000 turns in for the walk int he park 16:32 i will play it 16:32 I remember fh's first junethack... 16:32 uhh... I wanted to say "best thing about splicehack" of course 16:32 god that was painful 16:32 so many bugs 16:32 so then you can support him morally so he doesn't feel down 16:32 oh yeah 16:32 <[Demo][srn]> thankfully ndnh is designed without bugs so ill never have that issue if i ever get it releasable 16:32 ais523: I hate timers 16:33 I added magic chests to fh 16:33 Timers ruined everything 16:33 <[Demo][srn]> just design it without bugs 16:33 Because of course they did 16:33 <[Demo][srn]> and then boom no problems ever 16:33 if I were redesigning NetHack from scratch I might try to avoid timers as separate things within memory 16:33 that is what I want 16:33 I wanted to piggyback on obj.age 16:34 maybe I will for junethack simply block objects with timers from going into magic chests 16:34 <[Demo][srn]> thankfully i have no idea how timers work other than they have their own weird code and i try to avoid it 16:34 it's a hack, but prevents the bugs 16:34 because fixing it was quite the ordeal 16:34 Isn't obj.age already overloaded in a way that can cause problems for one type of object? 16:34 (I forget which...) 16:34 and I still don't have it fully working 16:34 it has a different meaning for each type of object 16:34 scrolls 16:34 doors... :P 16:34 jonadab: are you thinking of the Bell? it has a broken obj.age but that's the opposite of overloading 16:34 but the doors thing is fixed in 3.6.1 16:34 the problem there is the initialise, not the use 16:34 hm no that was something different lol 16:35 doors probably don't have age 16:35 I wasn't thinking of the Bell. I don't remember what I was thinking of, though. 16:35 I could just be mistaken. 16:35 stenno\ito: doors isn't an object 16:35 scroll of scare monster? 16:35 oh, MKoT under NH4 mechanics, perhaps? 16:35 stenno\ito: you might be thinking of spe? 16:35 eh idk 16:35 is age used for last artifact invoke? 16:35 maybe some foodstuff 16:35 <[Demo][srn]> yes i think it is 16:35 ais523: that is lastused 16:36 ah hm 16:36 <[Demo][srn]> oh nh4 16:36 @ MKoT 16:36 if you mean key mechanics 16:36 age is used for invocation yes 16:36 for artifacts 16:36 FIQ: that may be why I split them :-) 16:36 I was thinking it was one of the tools? Not certain. 16:36 <[Demo][srn]> dnh is a mess and on fire 16:37 NH4 uses the age field of unlock tools, which vanilla doesn't 16:37 so that adds the possibility for more clashes 16:37 no it uses lastused 16:37 but one of the more recent changes is an age/lastused split 16:37 <[Demo][srn]> some artifacts use age and some are special cased and use ovar1 16:37 is ovar1 a dnh thing? I've never heard of it 16:37 <[Demo][srn]> its a mess 16:37 <[Demo][srn]> its a dnh thing 16:38 <[Demo][srn]> it's used for a million different things for a million different otyps 16:38 Ah, like spe 16:38 <[Demo][srn]> its like an extra spe 16:38 <[Demo][srn]> and a long not an int or whatever spe is 16:38 they're both 32bit 16:38 <[Demo][srn]> on some machines 16:39 <[Demo][srn]> doesnt it vary? 16:39 spe is a signed char, I think 16:39 yeah spe is a char 16:39 schar 16:40 <[Demo][srn]> ovar1 is great and aweful at the same time 16:40 at least spe has a fairly defined meaning: it's the thing that gets set to 0 when an object is cancelled 16:40 (admittedly some uses of spe break this rule, but it's a good intuitive way to understand what it should be used for) 16:40 thing other than buc that... 16:40 <[Demo][srn]> well what if your weapon has charges and enchantment? 16:41 <[Demo][srn]> or a certain number of heads? 16:41 <[Demo][srn]> or a spirit bound to it? (or two)! 16:41 well what if your weapon has charges and enchantment? ← clearly the enchantment /is/ the charges, so it gets duller every time you cast from it 16:41 ais523: Except for wands 16:41 that seems fairly interesting from a gameplay perspective, I guess 16:41 FIQ: the "wands cancel to -1" is a hack, IMO 16:41 that's just there to make wresting work 16:42 you mean not work? 16:42 and wresting is just there as a tiny bonus that people might occasionally see and/or a very tedious way to get a seventh wish from a wand 16:42 well, work in flavour, i.e. not working when it shouldn't 16:42 I don't understand why cancelling has to prevent wresting 16:42 Why not just destroy the wand 16:42 Or turn it into a wand of nothing 16:42 FIQ: Because you can get a canceled wand of wishing by wishing for it. 16:43 (This is not a GOOD reason, but.) 16:43 jonadab: That is just delaying a wish 16:43 wish delaying is a no-no in nethack though 16:43 Actually, turning a canceled wand into a wand of nothing, I kind of like that. 16:43 see not being able to wish for magic lamp 16:43 ‎<‎FIQ‎>‎ I don't understand why cancelling has to prevent wresting ← it's supposed to suppress magical properties 16:43 jonadab: I like that too, it'd make more sense 16:43 also there are multiple different mechanics to try to prevent magic lamp chaining 16:44 I assume that some of them didn't work but were just left in the code even though they're dead nowadays 16:44 FIQ: most wands can be recharged even when cancelled ;) 16:44 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2403 this quote is very confusing because it either misses the context completely or has extra fluff for added confusion 16:44 still a bit strange considering that you can wish for blessed smoky potions just fine 16:44 i guess the chance is much smaller 16:44 FIQ: it wasn't me who sent that in, I always try to make sure that the quotes I send are in context 16:45 (context was that there should be an object property called kindness) 16:45 for the last 3 lines 16:46 the quote would work better without the last 3 lines 16:46 as it is, it's just confusing 16:46 brb 16:46 oh well 16:46 i can edit it 16:46 ok 16:47 reading https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2388 makes me wonder what happens in 3.4.3 if you can use Crassworm's Hotel as a container 16:47 I imagine the pet would just drop the items though? 16:47 Evil Patch Idea: all armor has at least a ((1 + (absolute value of enchantment)) in 10) chance to autocurse when worn. 16:48 re #2379, I would not be at all surprised if variable names are short in NetHack because some obscure compiler crashes if you make them too long 16:48 <[Demo][srn]> that would actually make a lot of sense 16:48 <[Demo][srn]> fucking levl 16:49 ais523: heh I was thinking of that too 16:49 the reason that many of the important structs (like you and monst) have or had consistent prefixes on their field names is that very early C compilers didn't allow duplicate field names between different structs 16:49 using a pet fog cloud to store stuff in 16:49 although that almost certainly isn't a problem nowadays 16:49 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:39664 16:49 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:39667 16:49 jonadab: I don't want trophies for every conduct. Just xnh-specific (and splice-specific) ones. 16:50 (actually, in C of the time, you could use a field name as a variable without associating it with a struct, to get the offset from the start of the struct) 16:50 (so a struct was basically just defining a bunch of constants for the offsets) 16:51 You could do that, if you had no interest in being able to actually _maintain_ your code. 16:51 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2390 is brilliant 16:51 <[Demo][srn]> Status of the xorn (neutral): Level 255 16:51 it's *so* NetHack 16:51 <[Demo][srn]> ha 16:51 FIQ: the strategy, or the friendship ponies? 16:51 ais523: the strategy 16:51 if you're talking about the strategy, that was stolen from ADOM :-P 16:52 a lot of slex quotes 16:52 scroll of random uselessness 16:52 or was it potion? 16:52 there is a potion that gives an artifact if you find an use for it 16:52 FIQ: so should i remove the last 3 lines? 16:52 potion of uselessness, yes 16:52 it has no other use 16:52 stenno\ito: yes 16:52 kk 16:52 I think it's better that way 16:52 only use is to throw it on a frictionless plane to propel yourself, you get an artifact if you do it 16:52 FIQ: wut 16:52 but if you can, maybe ask whoever added the quote 16:53 but that's basically 100% equivalent to throwing a scroll of mail (an intentionally useless item) on Air (a frictionless plane) 16:53 done 16:53 ais523: yep 16:53 I actually linked that quote to @mtf 16:53 that said, even though this is arguably a bug, I have no desire to fix it 16:53 an ADOM fan 16:53 when I saw it 16:53 Didn't realize the strategy was actually ripped from ADOM, but it did make me think of it 16:53 in 3.4.3 you can use ?oM to activate Elbereth, too 16:53 this is my all-time favorite nhqdb quote https://nhqdb.alt.org/?1580 16:54 stenno\ito: haha 16:54 aosdict: just FYI, the default font in the trophy icons is 'DejaVu Sans Mono' but as you can see with other trophies that's not a hard requirement. 16:54 bhaak: Message from AntiGulp at 2018-05-29 11:48 EDT: I don’t know if its too late, but I have trophy images for SpliceHack-specific and XNetHack-specific achievements. 16:54 it's funny, I think it misrepresents NetHack a bit though 16:54 FIQ: AmyBSOD\srn: why does #2403 even exist? we don't want to turn nhqdb into the Slex Reference Pages. 16:54 aosdict: why are you asking me? I wasn't the one who added it 16:54 aosdict: I don't want to ask questions like that because I don't like slex and don't want to be biased 16:55 I do often add slex quotes but that one wasn't mine 16:55 well, "add" = "send in" 16:55 bhaak: yo 16:55 !tell AntiGulp technically, it's even not too late after the tournament finished but it's much less effort to add them before the tournament starts :) 16:55 Will do, bhaak! 16:55 there's someone who's contributing a lot of low-quality slex quotes although it probably isn't AmyBSOD (she gets mentioned in a lot of them though for obvious reasons, as she's the most active slex discussor) 16:55 could you make it possible to add more than 1 person capable of inviting people 16:55 it would be nice if the frequency of slex quotes could be a bit reduced 16:56 i think it already was reduced a bit 16:56 <[Demo][srn]> FIQ: nope thats external u gotta set up a remote api to access ur account just for inviting 16:56 FIQ: it's on the TODO list but somebody distracted me with her clan banner requirements 16:56 AmyBSOD\srn: I suppose the question is "who on earth is upvoting this quote 3 times?" 16:56 but i don't want to remove quotes 'just because they are slex' 16:56 bhaak: I see 16:56 the thing is, say you're the sort of person who finds hugely varied content amusing just because it's varied, those people probably find low-quality quotes interesting too and probably also like playing slex 16:57 I don't actually know who the list of nhqdb admins is 16:57 other than paxed 16:57 i am 16:57 aosdict: there's more slex fans than you might expect; in fact, quite some of my clan members are slex players :) 16:57 ^^ whee! :) 16:57 stenno\ito: ilbelkyr solved that problem nicely 16:57 it's fairly similar to the list of #nethack ops but not identical, e.g. I'm not an nhqdb admin 16:57 by simply not touching them at all 16:57 you could formulate it as something not slex specific 16:57 "I'll leave this to someone else" 16:57 the fuck do i care what he does 16:57 ais523: nor am I, technically 16:57 stenno\ito: my point is, you could do the same 16:58 no need to remove quotes because it's slex 16:58 if a quote is pointless, e.g. just states a fact, it's off topic 16:58 apparently a potion of uselessness deals d2 damage when used as a weapon 16:58 just let them stay in the pending quotes list :P 16:58 ais523: basucally everything does 16:58 ais523: not so useless now? :P 16:58 idk 16:58 I think NetHack is the same 16:58 based on what I remember from ADOM mechanics that is not a high amount 16:58 non-weapons do d2 16:58 *basically 16:58 in D&D I think they do d3? not sure though 16:59 its a bit of an annoying situation 16:59 stenno\ito: or do a test 16:59 reject all slex quotes 16:59 wait until someone complains 16:59 bhaak: is that deja vu sans mono bold (in some cases)? 16:59 this is a totally reasonable way to go about it 16:59 FIQ: you and your anti-slex conspiration :P know that I would never complain about FIQhack quotes in nhqdb 17:00 deja vu sans mono is love, almost as good as Menlo and its Free 17:00 i don't want to remove quotes just because they are slex 17:00 AmyBSOD\srn: I never complained about slex quotes in nhqdb 17:00 and also idon't really want to remove quotes just because _I_ think they are not funny 17:00 @FIQ │ aosdict: I don't want to ask questions like that because I don't like slex and don't want to be biased 17:00 but if the average quality is so low, i might actually do that 17:00 <[Demo][srn]> i would ask if fiqhack is even funny enough to have quotes but i know the answer to that 17:01 AmyBSOD\srn: I dislike low-quality votes regardless of which variant (if any) they're about 17:01 [Demo][srn]: No variant is funny just because it's a variant 17:01 <[Demo][srn]> the time the dumb centaur drowned itself is one i can think of off the top of my head 17:01 [Demo][srn]: shots 17:01 AmyBSOD\srn: I don't have a problem with slex quotes, I have a problem with _pointless_ quotes. 17:01 fired 17:01 <[Demo][srn]> i think that one is in there 17:01 [Demo][srn]: yeah, variants can create funny situations 17:01 *any* variant 17:01 bouncing boulders was fun 17:01 aosdict: yes, you are right. the bold is the default even 17:01 apparently FIQHack has more Bug Hall Of Fame entries than slex, somehow 17:01 slex, fh, vanilla, etc 17:01 aosdict: as I said, I am not the person sending in #2403 17:01 <[Demo][srn]> https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2255 ok yep 17:01 It so happens that most of the pointless quotes that are slex, somehow get upvoted to positive values rather than downvoted 17:02 I guess in slex it's more or less impossible to create a bug sufficiently large to be amusing because it'd be hard to distinguish it from intended behaviour 17:02 whereas most other pointless quotes just get downvoted into oblivion 17:02 ais523: thats what i wanted to say but i couldn't think of a witty way to say it 17:02 aosdict: well I am going to assume that it isn't AmyBSOD\srn who causes this 17:02 yeah 17:02 any sufficiently slexified mechanism is indistinguishable from a bug 17:02 OK, she might upvote because it's slex 17:02 but she's clearly not alone 17:02 when I help AmyBSOD\srn with fixing slex bugs I have to ask her what the intended behaviour is first :-) 17:02 (j/k) 17:02 and I don't think she's rigging it 17:03 no 17:03 that said, it is interesting to have a variant in which basically anything is possible 17:03 well we know it, because she just said so lol 17:03 stenno\ito: she said she didn't send in #2403 17:03 perhaps it'd be interesting to do something similar but with only one or two large mechanical changes per game 17:03 she didn't say that she upvoted it 17:03 a kind of "random conducts mode" 17:04 <[Demo][srn]> slex is a longer game than any other variants 17:04 <[Demo][srn]> ??so it makes sense that it would have more quotes?? 17:04 ais523: sometimes I wonder how the game would play like if there was a special effect that gets switched every 2000 turns 17:04 <[Demo][srn]> i cant even say that without question marks lol 17:04 or every 1000 17:04 slex has something like that 17:04 that scales very differently from different players, though 17:04 a role that gets a "nastytrap" effect every 1k turns or so 17:04 nht has basically ascended by then, but for some players 1k turns is a rounding error 17:04 FIQ: You'd probably get a lot of "oh, this is a bad 1000 turns, better hide myself in a closet and eat a food ration" 17:04 aosdict: yeah I know 17:05 I don't think it would work 17:05 probably best to base it on depth 17:05 like, each level has its own special rule which mildly screws over the player 17:05 ooh that is a good one 17:05 possibly with the exception of D:1 17:05 hmm 17:05 I should make easymode's perfect-clairvoyance an actual intrinsic 17:06 and add it as part of #toggledetect 17:06 FIQ: wind inhabitant, but it's not "1000 turns of effect A, 1000 turns of effect B etc.", instead it's more like 1 in 1000 chance per turn that the effect gets swapped with a different one, so if you get really unlucky you'll be stuck with the same crippling effect for 10k turns or more :D 17:06 FIQ: how does that differ from xray vision? 17:06 AmyBSOD\srn: I see 17:06 other than being a rectangle rather than a circle? 17:06 ais523: magic mapping every single action 17:06 oh, range 17:06 bhaak: I'll change the d in petless, but I'm leaving the permahallu as Cantarell Bold because it's a lot more left-right balanced. 17:06 I thought it'd let you see approaching monsters 17:07 no 17:07 also, interesting that you have an easy/explore split 17:07 does easy still have permadeath? 17:07 easy is still explore from xlog's POV 17:07 it was an april fools' joke 17:07 so it is kinda half-assed 17:07 oh, OK 17:07 but it does some.. interesting things 17:07 <@luxidream> do you still die from lack of challenge 17:07 bhaak: new petless: https://i.imgur.com/eLZCLqr.png 17:07 I'm the sort of person who puts more effort into april fools jokes than into serious development 17:07 see easy_event() in allmain.c 17:07 @ FIQHack 17:07 @luxidream: is that an actual slex death message? I was about to YANI it but was worried it'd already be there 17:08 the YANI list doesn't really count stuff that is already in slex 17:08 https://github.com/FredrIQ/fiqhack/blob/development/libnethack/src/allmain.c#L663 17:08 <@luxidream> if you lasted long enough in FH easy mode it would kill you off with that message 17:08 not in my current version; FIQHack is still 100% save-stable, right? 17:08 I'm in the middle of a game 17:08 @luxidream No, I changed that 17:08 nht has a 235-turns ascension in acehack 17:08 It was a bit too mean 17:08 Didn't want to kill people off in case they invested in a game 17:09 20k turns is a lot, after all 17:09 and like a 100-something unnethack ascension 17:09 But it summons a "challenge" 17:09 with fixed seed 17:09 And it gets more and more out of hand the longer it goes on 17:09 T:20k it summons a challenger 17:09 T:22k it summons 2 17:09 so he just pasted a giant string into the terminal window and ascended 17:09 etc 17:09 took a few seconds 17:10 A challenger is an Archon, arch-lich or player monster 17:10 ais523: Yes, it's 100% save-stable 17:10 There is an occasional accidental savebreak 17:11 But it's save-stable aside from that 17:11 I guess I might as well finish the game on the commit where I started, if and when I ever have time to finish it 17:11 (The last revision is save-stable with the oldest) 17:11 I'd done minetown and sokoban when I saved 17:11 ais523: Might want to upgrade to 4.3.0 at least, if you're before then 17:11 For bug fixes/et 17:11 c 17:12 There should be a 4.3.0 tag 17:12 there's more than one 4.3.0 tag, it seems, git's a bit confused by that 17:12 yeah I didn't realize it would be a problem 17:12 there is a 4.3.0 branch 17:12 and a 4.3.0 tag 17:12 if you're talking about 6292ea1d04b5cabac2865a93e3ac0d6fa6adcb84, though, my game is newer than that one 17:13 yeah I meant 6292ea1d04b5cabac2865a93e3ac0d6fa6adcb84 17:13 and, all right 17:13 I'm on 5d620fb120c9c6c2a54c04ab8113e13dc2ada758 17:13 Perhaps consider upgrading to 4.3.1 once I release it 17:13 Since it'd be a stable release 17:14 Will it have xhity merge? 17:14 No 17:14 It will be basically current fh 17:14 but after junethack 17:14 I will use junethack as a beta test 17:15 Ah. 17:15 That's what it's supposed to be after all, no? :P 17:15 The annual NetHack cross-variant summer beta test initiative. 17:15 Yeah 17:15 Has 4k changed at all since last year? 17:15 I think this is the first year 4k stays the same version 17:17 <[Demo][srn]> dnh hasnt changed versions in like half a year now or more 17:17 whats with chris_ang anywy 17:18 <[Demo][srn]> i dont know, he's a college professor or something in like the southmid us i thinK/ 17:18 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:18 FIQ: There are some changes, but I think nothing earth-shattering. 17:19 damn 17:23 -!- NewbProgrammer10 has joined #hardfought 17:25 -!- AmyBSOD\srn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:26 <[Demo][srn]> ugh 17:26 <[Demo][srn]> time to implement a bunch of offensive spearpoints for mhitu 17:27 <[Demo][srn]> and then after that i have to do mhtim 17:27 <[Demo][srn]> fh needs xhity so he can be like lol this is so much better have fun suffering 17:47 <[Demo][srn]> !tell Chris_ANG magicbane probe should increase study stack 17:47 Will do, [Demo][srn]! 17:55 [Demo][srn]: but there is partial xhity already 17:55 <[Demo][srn]> good 17:55 new attacks or weapons only have to be implemented twice in fiqhack 17:55 not thrice 17:56 <[Demo][srn]> lucky 17:57 <[Demo][srn]> some of these i might not bother implementing out of laziness 18:04 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 18:05 Hello 18:05 Hello Tariru, Welcome to #hardfought 18:05 Tariru: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-27 10:01 EDT: if you're going to play in junethack, I want to cordially invite you into the slexy robber nymphets clan :) 18:05 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 18:06 Tariru: actually you should join the Improved Tin Openers 18:07 But, you know, do whatever you want 18:07 Heh. I guess I'll probably wait a couple of days to make a decision. 18:08 <[Demo][srn]> i hope u have fun 18:08 <[Demo][srn]> if i were u id make the most of it 18:08 <[Demo][srn]> and laugh my ass off 18:08 I will admit that the SRN logo is better than ours 18:08 It is a funny one. 18:09 hiya Tariru 18:09 how many clan invites have you received so far? 18:09 Hi K2 18:09 So far, just Amy's and Ito. 18:09 only 2? 18:10 That's surprising 18:10 <[Demo][srn]> yeah fiq is tasteful and splat is closed 18:10 <[Demo][srn]> and everyone else is irrelevant? 18:10 teamsplat isnt closed 18:10 <[Demo][srn]> splat doesnt come to you 18:10 <[Demo][srn]> you come to it 18:10 <[Demo][srn]> unless ur ootc 18:10 <[Demo][srn]> them u splatter it all over the wall 18:10 heh 18:10 There are only 10 clans so far anyway. 18:11 <[Demo][srn]> tariru if ur feeling chaotic make ur own clan and try to get ppl to jump ship to it 18:11 If Tariru joins a clan that *isn't* ITO i'll be pretty tempted to abandon my allegiance :P 18:11 Tariru: no pressure ;) 18:11 <[Demo][srn]> just do something funny or something i wanna laugh at some dumb shit 18:12 Heh. I'm probably not going to make my own clan, too much trouble. 18:12 I kinda feel obligated to stick with ITO though. I want to stick with aosdict because he makes my favorite nh variant, and I already made the ITO its logo and everything. 18:12 I don't really mind about the whole clan thing, so long as I don't join someone who's already probably going to win and make things one sided. 18:13 Lol you could probably play solo and still beat all the other clans 18:13 Tariru: Do you want to join #junethack maybe? 18:13 OotC is the clan to beat at the moment, reigning champ from last year 18:13 Oh, they get an irc channel? 18:14 I'm only going to be on for a few more minutes, I'll take a look next time. 18:14 Ah, ok 18:14 hah... yeah Tariru join #junethack, lets see what happens 18:14 hahahah 18:15 I'm not going to be playing as much as I did in previous Junethack/Devnulls, so you shouldn't get your hopes up too much. 18:16 I'll try and squeeze in an ascend all variants, but I doubt I'll have time given that there's like 13 variants. 18:16 I just want to see you pop into #junethack and watch the reactions 18:16 * K2 grabs some popcorn 18:16 <[Demo][srn]> yeah that sounds funny 18:17 Heh. I'll poke my head in then. 18:17 \o/ 18:17 <[Demo][srn]> actually i think amy is off so itll be less funny 18:17 ah damn she's offline? 18:17 <[Demo][srn]> idk its like late in germany right now so id guess so? 18:18 I don't think it'll actually be all that exciting 18:18 <[Demo][srn]> yeah the activity kinda died there as it got later in europe 18:18 I guess America still isn't busy yet. 18:18 just the fact that he popped in and then leaves, when ppl notice it'll start a discussion 18:19 congrats Tariru on being a victim of your own success ;) 18:19 Thanks :) 18:19 Well, I'm off now, so see you all! 18:19 <[Demo][srn]> bye 18:20 honestly, i think if you do play this year, go solo and whup everyones ass 18:20 see Tariru 18:20 -!- Tariru has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:20 *see ya 18:37 <@Winsalot> !tell AmyBSOD\srn It would be ironic if will I end up getting more slex trophies than you, wouldn't it? ❤ 18:37 Will do, @Winsalot! 18:39 <[Demo][srn]> slamdown 18:40 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 21725 points, T:12667, killed by a giant zombie 18:47 i think i found a bug in nh 3.6.1 with travel on rogue level - if u travel it'll stop if there is a monster behind a door that you can't see 18:47 <[Demo][srn]> bugs dont exist in vanilla :P 18:48 lol 18:50 winny: The Rogue level doesn't have doors. Only doorways. 18:51 but they're obscured, no? 18:51 Oh, are they? 18:51 Not sure. 18:53 As in Rogue, you can never see through a door; in a room (or at the door) you can see the entire room. 18:53 Pinkbeast: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-29 05:40 EDT: don't let the fact that you won't play a lot of slex stop you from joining us! my clan also welcomes players who mainly play vanilla or other variants :) 18:54 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:42961 18:54 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:42968 18:56 Suppose I do join a clan, do I have to do it before June starts? 18:56 no 18:56 i think its within 1st 10 days or so 18:56 I thought it was any time before the end of June? 18:57 need to dbl check 18:58 hmm 18:58 maybe anytime i guess 19:00 amys clan is 17 deep already heh 19:00 encroaching on platoon sized element 19:00 If I do play it's that or restart Team_Ant 19:00 -!- qdesjardin has joined #hardfought 19:00 team ant! 19:01 hah go team ant 19:01 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:43519 19:01 It was the rgrn team during NAO a few years (consisting of Marvin and, er, some spear-carriers like me) 19:01 ;) 19:01 team slartibartfast 19:02 -!- qdesjardin has quit [Client Quit] 19:02 -!- qdesjardin has joined #hardfought 19:05 !gt a 19:06 foof 19:07 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 2071 points, T:3050, killed by a bolt of cold 19:07 dtype no !gt function here 19:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] satchmo (Val Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:9720 19:10 yeah yeah 19:12 K2: but why 19:13 that's a rodney thing 19:17 and? 19:18 hardfought is not a clone of NAO 19:18 <[Demo][srn]> its better! 19:18 the go team ant thing is their thing 19:18 why would i want to steal it 19:19 <[Demo][srn]> cause it offers slotless MC3? 19:19 well... maybe 19:19 go team ant was more a #nethack thing 19:20 * ais523 is still bitter about #nethack being treated as an NAO-specific channel 19:20 <[Demo][srn]> we arent good enough to make it to ants here 19:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:44353 19:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:44353 19:21 Well, I mean, general NetHack discussion is also common there. 19:21 to be fair, for the first 10 years, there were no other public servers that lasted for longer than 6 months 19:21 I thought scon was pretty long-running? 19:21 paxed clamped down on alternate bots a long time ago because a few people introduced very spammy ones from places that were very transient 19:22 Though it's gone now :-( 19:22 anyways... imo some things are sacred. !gt is one of them 19:22 * jonadab has a memory of one of the variant-server bots spamming the channel every time someone loaded or saved. 19:23 hah wow 19:23 (It was a variant channel, but still.) 19:23 [Demo][srn] we have !goat 19:23 !goat [Demo][srn] 19:23 K2's goat runs up and rams [Demo][srn] in the face! Baaaaaa! 19:23 Un, I think. "X is back to the hard life of an adventurer" 19:23 in 2001-2003 when #nethack started to kind of get going on freenode, there was maybe 5 people in it half the time, and the alternate was the fishpool.fi #nethack channel on efnet 19:24 Rodney was a professed mimic of Ischak on efnet 19:24 Izchak 19:24 efnet, THERE is an obsolete network. 19:25 not when nao started. ;) 19:26 I mean, it's not as far back as gopher... 19:27 anyway, to ais523's criticism, the ban on non-nao bots had some history in abuse from folks that would launch a server-of-the day and then spam the channel with a *bunch* of stuff 19:27 I remember quakenet and then gamesnet 19:27 and efnet but didnt use it much 19:27 hardfought even had its own irc server briefly 19:27 dtype: right, you'd need to put in restrictions on spamminess and server stability 19:27 more as a fun experiement 19:27 quakenet is still very much alive, btw 19:27 ais523: and for awhile there weren't any servers that would meet that stability guideline 19:27 [hdf-us] [nh343] jmcunx (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 314 points, T:587, killed by a werejackal 19:27 even now, there are maybe 4? 19:27 I'm idling a channel there right now as it happens 19:27 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:44636 19:28 nao, hdf, asc/esm? 19:28 nethack4.org has been more stable than asc (although it doesn't have a bot) 19:28 any other servers that have been around for >6 months where you'll on average see at least a game being played? 19:28 ah yeah 19:28 a new chinese nethack server went up just a few months ago 19:28 so maybe 4 19:28 although it's variant-specific 19:28 in general there's not much reason to set up new servers unless you're offering something that other servers aren't, which is hard 19:29 although asc/hdf/nh4 are relatively new in the life span of #nethack 19:29 although all are multi-year now 19:29 i'm happy hardfought made it past the one year mark 19:29 if you have a new variant nowadays and you'd want a dgl setup for it, then adding it to hardfought is the sensible option 19:29 ais523: part of my valid excuse to keep nao on vanilla. :) 19:29 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 2901854 points, T:44672, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hypnotist/nh361/dumplog/1527524338.nh361.txt 19:29 !streak hypnotist 19:29 nooodle: [hdf-us] hypnotist Max[nh361]: 3 (2018-05-21 - 2018-05-29)(current). 19:29 nooodle: [hdf-eu] No streaks for hypnotist on this server. 19:29 nooodle: [hdf-au] No streaks for hypnotist on this server. 19:29 hey congrats nooodle 19:30 I guess the NH4 setup nowadays is purely just to prove that a non-dgl setup can work 19:30 ty. finally broke the curse of the length-two streak 19:30 hey Announcy seems to be allowed in #nethack 19:30 also because I need to keep the actual machine running for other reasons 19:30 K2: efnet was the second IRC network created and was the oldest surviving one for a long time (still is, if it still survives). 19:30 Junethack: New user telegarn registered! https://junethack.net/user/telegarn 19:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:27129 19:31 jonadab whats the first? 19:32 K2: THe original one was just called IRC. There was originally just one network. 19:32 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32 Retroactively, the original one is now sometimes referred to as "anarchy net". 19:32 also #nethack isn't so tolerant of off topic discussion like this, so I actually carry on more in #hardfought and #ascension.run more than #nethack these days 19:32 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 19:32 But it didn't last very long once efnet was created. 19:33 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 19:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 19:33 during my drinking days I got prodded off #nethack more than once. heh 19:33 thus my multi-year residence in #nethack-offtopic 19:33 i didnt even know that channel existed heh 19:33 Which may just about as well be named #nethack-food 19:34 for some time periods yeah 19:34 Except when wsky/AmericanBlend starts yammering about politics to no one who's listening. 19:35 jonadab: Don't tell me - the kind that make anyone who's not an American roll their eyes in amazement and horror? 19:35 Pinkbeast: THat second nick notwithstanding, he's Polish. 19:36 So the eye rolling is yes, but the being American or not is irrelevant, and it's not so much amazement or horror as boredom. 19:37 [hdf-us] [nh343] jmcunx (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 542 points, T:1690, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 19:39 ais523: fwiw, not sure paxed would have an issue with a well behaved bot announcing deaths in #nethack on a server that had been around a bit 19:39 probably not competing for gimmicky responses or learndb (just no need for multiples of that) 19:39 although is really his channel 19:40 again, Announcy-bot lives there about 10% of the year now 19:41 it lives there the whole year, just doesn't say anything (unless you direct address it) 19:42 ais523 would you like nh4 games on hardfought announced in #nethack4 ? 19:43 (jonadab and FIQ, same offer applies if you like for your variants) 19:46 <@mtf> bot going down for some reconfiguration 19:46 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47 <[Demo][srn]> good luck 19:47 [hdf-us] [nh343] jmcunx (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 519 points, T:1178, killed by a brown mold 19:49 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 19:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 19:50 <@mtf> should be back up 19:51 K2: I'm OK with that if you think it's a good idea 19:51 @mtf yep 19:51 it'd probably be best to announce for all three variants or not at all though 19:51 I can give the bot voice 19:52 sounds fine by me 19:52 No objections here. 19:52 will wait to see what jonadab and FIQ say before I make any changes 19:52 * K2 pokes FIQ 19:53 incoming slaps via FIQ-bot 19:53 ah thats right... 19:53 so our bot sends a msg to the other channels bot which can then relay the variant event 19:54 beholder wont actually park in #nethack4 19:54 thats how slex games are announced in #em.slashem.me 19:55 forgot that bit... ais523 does #nethack4 have its own bot? 19:55 #nethack4 doesn't have a bot, there's quite a bit of history behind this 19:55 there was a rather large flamewar about how it should work 19:56 so in the end we decided not to have one at all because it was causing too much friction between the NH4 developers 19:56 [hdf-us] [nh343] jmcunx (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 541 points, T:1027, killed by a hobbit 19:56 Actually, Arsinoe's in there now. 19:56 hrm 19:56 She doesn't live on a server though. 19:56 oh yes, but Arsinoe isn't a game announcements bot 19:56 True. 19:56 jonadab if Arsinoe can relay private messages to a public channel, that will work 19:57 That is probably possible to arrange. 19:57 brb need to go and collect my kid from the neighbors 19:57 if we had a relaybot in #nethack4 it'd sidestep the original flamewar quite nicely, though :-D 19:57 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:58 I already have a nick registered for a hypothetical #nethack4 deathbot 19:59 Rodney was almost called Moloch 19:59 actually *was* called Moloch during dev 19:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:28583 20:00 hmm, looks like it became unregistered at some point but is currently unused 20:00 that's not really surprising 20:05 -!- dtype_ has joined #hardfought 20:05 -!- dtype has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:07 why is freenode a pos 20:08 -!- dtype_ is now known as dtype 20:09 -!- dtype has quit [Client Quit] 20:09 The design of IRC is old. (And yet, every time someone tries to replace it with something newer, the something newer is significantly worse.) 20:10 In principle, there ought to be a way to replace IRC with something that's actually _better_, in much the same way that gopher was replaced with the web. 20:10 But it keeps not happening. 20:10 -!- dtype has joined #hardfought 20:11 * Menche sees someone suggesting that the web is better than gopher "Have you heard the good news of our lord and savior Gopher?" 20:11 <@rikersan> !tell LarienTelrunya good cuz fuck n 20:11 @rikersan: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-29 05:36 EDT: of course, you can genocide whatever you want in-game, as long as it helps you score more trophies/get more unique deaths/ascend more often :D 20:11 Will do, @rikersan! 20:11 Menche: I used gopher before I used the web. I *know* how they compare. 20:12 is the web better than irc though 20:12 it is today 20:12 most of these proposed IRC replacements are web based 20:12 nickserv is dead again 20:12 That's like asking if books are better than trains. 20:13 The web and IRC serve quite different purposes. 20:13 discord/gitter/slack et al use the web for IRC's purpose 20:13 They're not bad because the web is bad. 20:14 They're bad because they didn't learn anything from IRC. 20:14 while using spectacular amounts of resources 20:14 well, *are* books better than trains? 20:14 Jabber was worse than IRC but at least had the potential to be better 20:14 most of these new services are just "IRC + permanent history + the ability to summon people via email" 20:15 I tried joining a gitter room for some reason and my browser froze up then crashed 20:15 - open protocol - the ability to use a decent client 20:15 gitter has its own non-web-based client but I don't use it 20:15 Jabber is an open protocol 20:15 XMPP? 20:15 I think so 20:15 Which potentially could be an improvement over IRC, _if there were any decent chat clients that use it_. THere aren't. 20:15 indeed 20:16 that said, there are hardly any decent IRC clients either 20:16 There are two major ones. 20:16 two major /decent/ ones? 20:16 Admittedly, that's not a very _comfortable_ number. 20:16 Yes, irssi and weechat. 20:16 OK, I was worried you were going to say mIRC :_D 20:16 * :-D 20:16 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17 But because the protocol is open and both clients in question are open-source, if one of them goes down a horrible Gnome-inspired path, it can be replaced or forked. 20:17 * ais523 vaguely wonders what happened to Chatzilla 20:17 that was the first client I used, it seemed fine 20:17 So it's better by a wide margin than the likes of Discord. 20:17 i get no such user when I try to msg nickserv or chanserv 20:17 Chatzilla is feature-impoverished. 20:17 dtype: don't msg them, use the /ns and /cs commands (you may have to write them as /quote ns or /quote cs) 20:17 those say that services are down atm 20:17 And not suitable for running in a multiplexer session. 20:18 why is hexchat not on that list 20:18 So you need either znc or xpra with it. 20:18 :< 20:18 Menche: See previous line. 20:18 ais523: yeah getting service unavailable for both 20:18 I thought someone might mention xchat (or its derivatives) 20:18 Again, you'd need xpra or znc. 20:18 Or somesuch. 20:19 jonadab: most people don't attempt to run their IRC client in a terminal multiplexer though 20:19 a terminal-based program is never going to attract a wide audience 20:19 [hdf-us] [nh343] jmcunx (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 959 points, T:2653, killed by a pony, while fainted from lack of food 20:19 NetHack would be way more obscure than it is if not for the GUI versions 20:19 running it in a multiplexer would still require an always-on server 20:19 which can also run znc 20:20 "remote desktop" (i.e. running GUI programs on a remote system) is something that I've never really been happy with 20:20 <[Demo][srn]> really? 20:20 ssh -X / ssh -Y are good enough for emergencies but would be a pain for regular use; other methods of doing the same thing seem even worse 20:21 * Menche wonders if znc was confused with vnc 20:21 this may be because I seem to have persistently bad Internet connections no matter how I try to connect 20:21 Menche: possibly 20:21 I'm not aware of znc 20:21 IRC bouncer 20:21 oh, bouncer 20:21 self-service irccloud. ;) 20:21 I thought you meant running the GUI IRC client remotely :-D 20:21 <[Demo][srn]> i have two friends that live in a vm on a server 20:22 <[Demo][srn]> the tmux sessions and the x session 20:22 tmux works fine 20:22 <[Demo][srn]> and when im out i can only really get to the tmux fast enough to use 20:22 <[Demo][srn]> but when im in i can just connect to my desktop from whatever device i happen to be using 20:23 <[Demo][srn]> so when im [Demo] I'm phone or remote desktop session demo and when i'm Demo__ im tmux only 20:23 wait what 20:23 you can talk from outside the channel 20:23 wot 20:23 it's a channel setting 20:24 #hardfought has "no messages from outside" set 20:24 talking about #esm 20:24 I kicked [Demo][srn] and he kept talking 20:24 not all channels will have that (although most do because bans/mutes don't work on people who aren't in the channel) 20:24 <[Demo][srn]> im surprised you didnt crash my bot 20:25 I asked Freenode's developers if they were planning to implement something in which bans/mutes worked on messages from outside, they said it was too difficult for performance reasons 20:26 one channel I'm in tried setting the channel -n -s for a while as an experiment (i.e. "anyone can see that this channel exists and can post in it even if they aren't there") 20:26 we were wondering how long it would take to be abused, it turned out to be a couple of years 20:26 not sure now is the best time to test, given chanserv and nickserv are down. I think freenode having issues. 20:26 * ais523 vaguely wonders if -n +m would create a channel that you could post in if and only if you weren't there 20:27 -!- [Demo][srn] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27 -!- [Demo][srn] has joined #hardfought 20:30 <[Demo][srn]> man why do I like mcdonalds :( 20:30 at least in the UK, mcdonalds has gotten better over the years 20:31 it wasn't very good when I was young but they've been reacting to negative publicity 20:32 by now it's sufficiently good that I occasionally go there intentionally (although not all that often) 20:32 <[Demo][srn]> they keep advertising their new quarter pounder with more quality meat 20:32 <[Demo][srn]> and buy one get one deals 20:32 <[Demo][srn]> and eating two mcdonalds quarter pounders is great 20:32 <[Demo][srn]> idk what u call a quarter pounder in the uk 20:32 ais523: It's a communications program. It NEEDS that network transparency. 20:32 <[Demo][srn]> probably not a royale w/ cheese :P 20:33 jonadab: context? znc? 20:33 Or multiplexer, or whatever. 20:33 [Demo][srn]: McDonalds used to call it a quarter pounder, at least, although their burger range has more diversified into a number of more specialised options 20:34 <[Demo][srn]> thats gotta be confusing though when it costs more than a quarter of a pound :P 20:34 Point is I wouldn't be routing things like email notification (biff, basically) and SMS (cellphone text messages) through IRC if I were using Chatzilla or its ilk. 20:34 pound is a unit of weight too 20:34 jonadab: I use email for that sort of thing 20:34 My email client also runs in a screen session. 20:34 (I use Gnus.) 20:35 although my only SMS-capable device is my router, and I use an http interface to read them 20:35 For related reasons. 20:35 http interface would work I guess. 20:35 * ais523 is careful not to say "web interface" as, being my router, the connections don't actually go over the Web… 20:35 it's fairly surprising how many text messages a router gets, actually 20:35 mostly updates on how much bandwidth it has left this month 20:36 also, isn't Gnus a usenet client, not an email client? 20:36 ais523: Gnus can do email. 20:36 <[Demo][srn]> is their a routing protocol for hitting up fly babes via sms? 20:36 <[Demo][srn]> does ur router know how to do it? 20:36 back 20:36 Given the way USENET postings are a sort of bastardisation of mail messages... 20:37 ais523: Gnus doesn't really care what the message-sending protocol is. nntp, smtp/pop3/imap, etc. 20:37 [Demo][srn]: I've never caught my router flirting with people 20:37 At one point there was a module for it for Slashdot. 20:37 <[Demo][srn]> good to know, watch out though 20:37 pop3 and imap are message receiving protocols? 20:37 <[Demo][srn]> at the point the ai needs to reproduce 20:37 <[Demo][srn]> at some point* 20:37 Menche: Yes. And smtp is sending. 20:37 Menche: pop3 is, imap isn't 20:37 Err, ok, imap is message _accessing_. 20:37 Gnus extracts all that away. 20:37 imap allows you to look at the context of an email-like mailbox remotely 20:38 *abstracts 20:38 *abstracts 20:38 Gnus can also use ssh to look at a remote mailbox. 20:38 ... not that that stops people using IMAP as if it were POP; I was awfully glad when Emacs VM got sane IMAP support 20:38 so the fundamental difference between pop3 and imap is that if you get a message via pop3 it won't be on the server that it was previously stored on any more, whereas if you get a message via imap it still will be 20:38 It runs in Emacs. So it's architected in a flexible way. 20:39 <[Demo][srn]> i feel like u use mutt 20:39 ah, GNU Emacs, that weird situation where you /intentionally set out to create/ a desktop environment but everyone assumes it was meant to be an editor and derides it for having DE-like features 20:39 I already have a desktop environment 20:39 I don't need to nest another one inside 20:39 jonadab are you planning on having a bot ready tonight? or will you need more time? 20:40 asking as i'll be back and forth a bit 20:40 Emacs is so much more than just a desktop environment. 20:40 Menche: right, at the time GNU Emacs was created most people didn't have one though 20:40 so intentionally trying to create one wasn't that weird 20:40 "Emacs is a great operating system, but UNIX has better text editors" # well, someone had to go first 20:40 :D 20:40 K2: Would need details on exactly what it should relay. I don't want to make it arbitrarily relay all private messages it recieves to a public channel, for obvious reasons. 20:40 Pinkbeast: see: evil-mode 20:40 Emacs comes with a perfectly usable implementation of vi :-P 20:40 can you run Atom in Emacs? >:D 20:41 ais523: FIQ claims that there's a newer vim clone for Emacs that's better than evil. 20:41 <[Demo][srn]> u can run emacs in vim now 20:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "butt", on T:3711 20:41 <[Demo][srn]> in 8.1 20:41 jonadab: huh, a third one? evil was better than the one that came before 20:41 so having an even better one seems interesting 20:41 Good engraving 20:41 ais523: Oh, wait. 20:41 Ok, I might be confused then. 20:41 Maybe I'm thinking of the other one. 20:41 I've forgotten what it's called 20:41 jonadab the way it works is this: we can tell beholder which variant messages to send to which relay bot. currently beholder relays slex death/ascend and livelog messages *only* to #em.slashem.me 20:41 oh, viper 20:41 that was the first one 20:41 Oh, right, viper, yeah. 20:42 same would apply for any other variant 20:42 K2: So anything that comes from Beholder, just send it to the channel? 20:42 yes 20:42 That might be pretty easy to set up. 20:42 beholder would send its messages as a private message to your bot, then your bot decides what to oo with the info 20:43 *do 20:43 we could probably do the same with the death-connections from nethack4.org, if people didn't get too mad at me for them 20:43 jonadab: No, I claim that there is a somewhat recent vim clone that is better than viper which you have talked about earlier 20:43 The "somewhat recent vim clone" is evil 20:43 ais523: I think the only thing people disliked before was the connect/disconnect spam. 20:43 different people disliked it for different reasons I think 20:44 Oh? 20:44 there are other potential issues, like nick collisions upon simultaneous deaths 20:44 actually, probably best would just be to not use IRC as the protocol at all 20:44 have the death reason written to a particular port/socket pair 20:45 without worrying about nicks and the like 20:45 ANd then have an IRC bot that monitors that port/socket? 20:45 right 20:45 possibly + some form of authentication to prevent spambots abusing it 20:45 speaking of nick collisions 20:45 jonadab: https://github.com/NHTangles/beholder/blob/master/beholder.py - line 162 is where we make the settings 20:45 some experimentation has led me to conclude that if 2 people try to change nick to the same target 20:45 they will both be killed by the server 20:45 what's meant to happen is that the person who changed second has their nick forcibly changed 20:46 maybe that doesn't work with services down though 20:46 ok brb 20:46 (this is assuming that both nick changes succeed because of a netsplit; if the second person can see the first change nick their nick change will just fail outright) 20:51 ais523: If 2 sessions change nicks on different servers, they can both succeed 20:52 oh, and then the kill happens when the servers communicate the change to each other? 20:52 you'd need some pretty precise timing for that 20:52 Well, I didn't say anything else 20:55 Pretty precise timing = unacceptable race condition. 21:01 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "greased blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:17614 21:02 K2: As a test, make Beholder send a /msg to Arsinoe. 21:03 (Whenever you get around to it.) 21:06 If it echoes in #nethack4, then we're good to go. If not, let me know. 21:24 -!- oh6_ has joined #hardfought 21:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6_] by ChanServ 21:25 -!- oh6 has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:25 -!- oh6_ is now known as oh6 21:29 back 21:29 jonadab ok setting it up 21:30 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 21:30 -!- moon.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ New server in Sydney, AU - one step closer to world domination :) 21:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 21:30 [hdf-us] [nh343] jmcunx (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3199 points, T:3975, killed by a soldier ant 21:31 [hdf-us] [nh361] cassiopeiastar (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4568 21:32 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 21:34 [hdf-us] [4k] testy testerson (ChiefGreyBush) (Arc Scu Fem Neu), 240 points, T:312, killed by a newt 21:34 Arsinoe: Message from FIQ at 2017-12-11 11:59 EDT: stuff 21:34 test complete 21:34 much success 21:35 Ok then. 21:35 setmintc rules apply fyi 21:36 setmintc? 21:36 say I do !setmintc 100 21:36 that means any games for me wont report via the bot at all if they are 100 turns or less 21:36 Oh, right. 21:36 That seems like not a problem. 21:37 right, just letting you know 21:38 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 21:38 -!- karatkievich.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ New server in Sydney, AU - one step closer to world domination :) 21:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 21:40 alright 21:41 beholder will relay all NetHack 4, Fourk and FIQhack games to #nethack4 21:41 all three hdf servers 21:41 <@luxidream> !setmintc 1000 21:41 @luxidream: Min reported turncount for @luxidream set to 1000 21:41 heh 21:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] cassiopeiastar (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 4299 points, T:4646, killed by an Uruk-hai 21:42 How do I add my account on hardfought.org to junethack? 21:42 -!- Luxidream has joined #hardfought 21:42 heya NewbProgrammer10 21:42 !setmintc 10000 21:42 Luxidream: Min reported turncount for luxidream set to 10000 21:43 NewbProgrammer10 have you registered a player account on Hardfought yet? 21:43 Hello. @K2 I think you remember me on IRC as dell00 the noob. 21:43 NewbProgrammer10: Have you created a junethack account first? 21:43 yeah 21:43 You need both. 21:43 server account + junethack account. 21:43 Then you can connect them. 21:43 K2 yes I created an account on hardfought.org as Xaleth and Junethack as dell00. 21:44 Ok, so on hardfought, log in and add the thing to your .nethackrc, as indicated on the junethack site. 21:44 netHack 3.4.3 rc config 21:44 Then, on the junethack site, tell it the account name and choose Hardfought from the server list, and tell it to connect it. 21:44 so it's "junethack dell00" or "junethack Xaleth"? 21:44 prob Xaleth 21:44 -!- Luxidream has quit [Client Quit] 21:44 Ok 21:44 In the .rc file, you use the junethack site account name. 21:44 thats what it will oook for on hardfought 21:45 look 21:45 ON the junethack site, you tell it what the server account name is. 21:45 Also, why do I have to do it in 3.4.3 instead of 3.6.1 or any other nethack? 21:45 (the hardfought server account5, that is) 21:45 jonadab ok :) 21:45 thats how bhaak set it up 21:45 !who 21:45 K2: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] krm26 [fh] hypnotist [nh361] amelie [nh361] cassiopeiastar [nh361] 21:45 K2: [hdf-eu] No current players 21:45 K2: [hdf-au] No current players 21:45 So... during the tournament, I can only play 3.4.3? 21:45 NewbProgrammer10: It just reads the one .nethack rc file and connects _all_ your server/variant combinations to your account. 21:45 Yes. 21:45 Ok. 21:46 :( 21:46 no its good for all variants 21:46 The goal was to avoid people needing to add junethack comments to _ALL_ their .rc files. 21:46 Because that would be tedious. 21:46 ^^ that 21:46 Also, some variants don't have comment syntax in their rc files. 21:46 Because daniel_t. 21:46 I still firmly believe that the number of `^`s should indicate how many messages up you're pointing. 21:47 Pavel\ito: Technically, you don't know that until after you send your message. 21:47 ^^ what jonadab said 21:47 :P 21:47 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that 21:47 After typing "Xaleth" and added account on junethack website, I'm getting the paraphrased error: "# junethack dell00 not found on www.hardfought.org" 21:47 I'm baffled. 21:47 in the rc cfg 21:48 put #junethack del00 21:48 err dell00 21:48 Ok. 21:48 It works! 21:48 Finally. 21:48 \o/ 21:48 Thanks. 21:48 Good. 21:48 no prob 21:49 Now you must figure out how to ascend all variant/race/role combos in under a month :-) 21:49 jonadab: I actually have my client configured so if I start a message with a number of `^`s it'll replace the `^`s with a ping to however posted the message that many up as a kind of reply. 21:49 bear in mind that you can't start the game yet if you want it to count for the tournament 21:49 And yes, tournament starts midnight at the beginning of June first, UTC. 21:50 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NH4 has a "comment" option purely to let you put comments in the RC file 21:50 although I renamed the meaning of the option to explain that it was mostly intended for junethack 21:50 :] 21:50 "no game effect, used to prove your ID in tournaments" 21:51 8pm EST may 31st 21:51 thank goodness 21:51 ais523: Right, but then people got confused about whether they needed a # or not. So the "just change your 343 config and all your variants are golden" was devised. 21:51 jonadab: not all variant/race/role/alignment combos? git gud 21:51 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:51 first 3 days of june, military training 21:51 cant skip it 21:51 jonadab: it actually doesn't matter, the junethack daemon will make sure there's exactly one # 21:51 if you include 0 or 1 yourself 21:52 [hdf-us] [nh361] Xaleth (Sam Hum Mal Law), 601 points, T:1400, killed by a giant rat, while fainted from lack of food 21:52 aosdict: How about all variant/race/role/conduct/starting-alignment/ending-alignment combos? 21:52 ais523: Ah. 21:52 huh, just checked the actual code 21:52 K2: Could be worse. Could be last three days of June. 21:52 it looks for the string "junethack" in the comment option 21:52 then copies everything from there to the end where junethack can see it, with a # before 21:53 so any number of #s would work :-) 21:53 ais523: Oh, right, you had extra code on the server to make that work. 21:53 Which didn't exist on xd.cm 21:53 Because the junethack code can't parse JSON. 21:53 right 21:54 jonadab good point 21:56 [hdf-us] [nh361] cassiopeiastar (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 878 points, T:1506, killed by a gas spore's explosion 21:59 -!- oh6 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:01 SpliceHack updated (all servers) 22:04 !players 22:04 K2: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] krm26 [fh] k2 [gh] hypnotist [nh361] amelie [nh361] cassiopeiastar [nh361] Eleven [nh361] satchmo [xnh] aosdict [xnh] 22:04 K2: [hdf-eu] No current players 22:04 K2: [hdf-au] No current players 22:05 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 22:06 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Raijin, on T:21525 22:08 -!- elenmirie\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:08 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie\splat 22:19 [hdf-us] [nh361] cassiopeiastar (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 474 points, T:1500, killed by a cave spider 22:19 !tell raisse\splat Could you please extend and invitation for me to join #teamsplat? 22:19 Will do, Grasshopper! 22:22 -!- tacco| has quit [] 22:24 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 22:29 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Val Gia Fem Neu) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:9543 22:29 [hdf-us] [dyn] builderman (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 1124306 points, T:43217, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dynahack/dumplog/2018-05-29%2022_29_36%2C%20builderman-Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha%2C%20ascended.txt 22:31 nice @luxidream 22:32 <@luxidream> orc wizard for smash 5 22:39 wow, 21 days since I last updated YANI lists 22:39 truly the people are crying out for their update 22:42 * Pavel\ito tries to think of a YANI 22:42 I have noticed the pace of new ones slowing recently. 22:44 <@luxidream> YANI: spellbook of summon pastry 22:45 <@luxidream> level 7 matter spell that creates a cream pie 22:46 I'm not really bothered by the slowdown since it eats up less of my time spent working on xnh and playing 22:46 xnh development has also slowed so I'm assuming there's a lot of playing happening 22:47 well I have been playing a lot of the original legend of zelda lately, got the NES out of the closet :P 22:47 currently stuck in the sixth dungeon 22:47 noice 22:49 I really shouldn't have started a game of xnethack before junethack, it's going to whet my appetite for nethack 22:49 Junethack: New user Therealsog registered! https://junethack.net/user/Therealsog 22:51 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 22:51 [hdf-us] [nh361] cassiopeiastar (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 615 points, T:2215, killed by a brown mold 22:52 YANI: Zapping a spellbook immediately casts the spell it contains and then disappears, even if you would not normally be able to learn and cast that spell, in which case you also get the normal penalty for unsuccessfully reading a spellbook. 22:54 Any character (in vanilla) can learn and cast any spell. 22:54 all right, HP 247, gonna chug this massive stack of diluted full healing, let's goooooo 22:54 > This spellbook is difficult to comprehend. Continue? (Y/n) 22:54 !rng yes | no 22:54 K2: yes 22:54 go for it 22:55 I was replying to Pinkbeast about being able to learn any spell 22:56 I was pointing out you can't *just* read any spellbook normally. 22:56 Pavel\ito: Your reply seems a non sequitur. There is no spell which a vanilla character is not able to learn and cast. 22:56 In particular, _any_ vanilla character (who's not blind) can learn any spell with 100% success. 22:57 Perhaps you mean the normal chance and effects of spellbook reading failure should apply. 22:57 Yes 22:57 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:25582 22:57 Thank you 22:59 I actually really like the spellcasting changes made in xnh 22:59 I wouldn't play a vanilla wizard but it was fun in xnh 23:00 I had one wizard, in 3.4.2 23:01 What do you mostly play? 23:01 Crawl. 23:01 I meant what role 23:01 Wizard also has (in 3.2) the dubious distinction of being my only death after the Castle. 23:02 Well, I've ascended at least one of everything including Elf (yes, I do mean the Elf role), 4 valks, 2xKBS, 2 monks. So probably roughly in those proportions. 23:05 Oh, a lot of valks in 3.1.3 when I was trying to get a win. 23:06 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:09 haha, during my full-healing quaff-fest, a random elf-lord appeared brandishing a wand of death. Thanks, elf-lord! 23:13 So you're dead now? 23:13 Of course not, I'm beginning my asc run 23:14 [hdf-us] [fh] Aj (krm26) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 45728 points, T:7017, killed by a gold golem 23:14 I now have another pretty wand of death in my collection 23:14 Nice 23:18 I have five wands of death and six magic markers. what is this game 23:19 I've never had a blank scroll and a magic marker at the same time feelsbadman 23:20 This cookie has a scrap of paper inside. It reads: "One does not simply kill the Wizard of Yendor." 23:20 ^ I am about to simply kill the Wizard of Yendor 23:21 I think it's referencing the fact that he comes back 23:21 oh it is 23:21 Pavel\ito: If you have a magic marker, a fountain, and a pickaxe, this can be readily rectified. 23:21 that line isn't in vanilla, I think it's in splicehack 23:21 s/in/from 23:21 Oh did you copy sh's fortunes? 23:22 some of them 23:22 as well as some of its new hallumons, etc 23:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34083 23:24 and I did it SIMPLY 23:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:34092 23:25 Oh boy come June I'm gonna have to start playing on hdf instead of locally 23:25 And with hdf comes *lag* 23:25 you're on west coast US, right? surely it's not that bad 23:26 K2: the Wizard's corpse still tastes terrible, fyi 23:26 It's noticeable enough that it's a lot more fun to play locally 23:27 I started playing hdf because my distro supplied nethack without curses, then I kept playing on hdf to check out all the variants, and *then* I figured out I could compile xnh from source. 23:29 welp, a horse got in the way and I botched the invocation 23:29 You can just try again right 23:29 bwahahaha, my lizard corpse named the Lizard of Yendor reanimated and is now a live lizard named the Lizard of Yendor 23:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:34178 23:30 there we go 23:31 Did you call it that or did the wizard polymorph into a lizard or something 23:31 I had named it that 23:31 Do you usually name random corpses? 23:31 no, just my token lizard corpse that I carry around 23:32 There's a reason to name lizard corpses which escapes me, but I always did it 23:32 Pinkbeast: there's none that I know of, it's just for fun 23:32 ...k 23:32 aosdict: I'm sure there was one; it might be a vestige of some older version 23:32 I feel like the Lizard of Yendor should be a thing 23:33 Add it to hallucination monsters next to "master lichen" 23:33 Lovely idea 23:34 done 23:35 You didn't push it though 23:35 aosdict: Ah. It keeps your ancient lizard corpse(s) from stacking with one you intend to sacrifice thus making the new one ancient also. 23:36 -!- qdesjardin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 23:36 Do lizard corpses not decay? 23:36 Pavel\ito: They do not, otherwise footrices would be significantly more lethal. 23:37 Wait what do lizards have to do with footrices 23:37 Pavel\ito: _Please_ consider looking at the wiki first and asking second. 23:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:34292 23:37 huh? Moloch didn't even retaliate 23:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:34298 23:40 So yeah, keep naming your lizard corpses 23:45 why would you name your lizard corpses? 23:45 see above conversation 23:46 because your new one will be auto-aged to match your perma-one 23:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] satchmo (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:11914 23:46 Grasshopper: Average, I _think_, but that's still too old to sac 23:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] satchmo (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:11922 23:46 and in xnh they will auto-stack together even when not BUC's 23:46 d 23:48 !who 23:48 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] hypnotist [nh361] satchmo [xnh] aosdict [xnh] bouquet [xnh] 23:48 bug_sniper: [hdf-eu] Grasshopper [nh361] 23:48 bug_sniper: [hdf-au] andypea [nh361] 23:48 Junethack: New user fxz registered! https://junethack.net/user/fxz 23:49 !whereis aosdict 23:49 Pavel\ito: [hdf-us] aosdict [xnh]: (Rog Orc Fem Cha) T:34771 Gehennom level: 34 (with Amulet) 23:50 -!- stenno\ito has joined #hardfought 23:52 yasi: potion of lose level, the necessary component for duality 23:53 There needs to be an incentive to not quaff id everything 23:53 No potion gives permanent negative effects that I can recall 23:54 Polymorph can be bad. 23:54 Paralysis too. 23:54 near-permanant negative effects are only found in slashem extended 23:54 ... quaff-ID? Are we in some oddball variant land? # I'm all for it, mind. 23:54 bug_sniper: intrinsic agg monster? 23:54 fairly easy to get in vanilla if you want it 23:54 and almost impossible to get rid of 23:55 -!- stenno\ito has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:55 yeah, I suppose you're right 23:55 Pavel\ito: you can also dip-test before quaff-ID if you want 23:55 that makes it hard to add a counter to that as both invalidating the dip test and /not/ invalidating the dip test have problems 23:55 Yeah but there's no reason to 23:55 though in slashem extended, waiting forever makes the game increasingly hostile to you 23:55 !oParalysis is the main reason not to quaff-ID, incidentally 23:56 Really? 23:56 It's never cost me a game 23:56 And I quaff ID everything 23:56 You can circumvent paralysis by locking yourself in a closet. 23:56 depending on connection, west coast ping to hdf-us should still be under 100ms 23:56 For me the biggest incentive is the hallu potion 23:56 ais523: I think the way quaff-ID is (in vanilla) just a complete waste of resources is the _main_ reason. 23:56 which is plenty low 23:56 Ditto hallucination. 23:56 right, it's a) normally survivable, b) sometimes identified by monsters, c) rare enough that you might not quaff it even if you habitually quaff-ID 23:57 Pinkbeast: yes, for a typical potion, the bottle is more valuable than the potion is 23:57 this is actually the main argument I've seen in favour of potions leaving empty bottles: that ironically, it's /more/ balanced that way, because at least you might quaff the potion before blanking it 23:57 ais523: And if the potion had any value, one just wasted that _too_. 23:57 well, it depends on the potion 23:58 blessed !oGA is valuable but there's rarely a reason to delay drinking it 23:58 unless you want it as an alchemy ingredient 23:59 YANI: An item called "Message in a bottle" sometimes spawns near water tiles/fountains/sinks. You can read it for a random rumor, like a fortune cookie. 23:59 is the number meant to be exploitable? 23:59 I wrote a surprising amount about quaff-ID (after price-ID) but I think that was mostly in the interests of completeness