00:00 lets see 00:00 I'd vote for Singapore for my own selfish reasons 00:01 "The boulder falls into the pit. The boulder hits Slinky! Slinky pulls free... The boulder fills a pit." 00:01 Ooops, sorry about that Slinky! 00:02 https://datapath.io/resources/blog/aws-network-latency-map/ 00:03 K2 looks about right 00:05 interesting that places like Nigeria get much less latency than other parts of Africa (guess that is where the major hub taking traffic from US is) 00:09 This is interesting if you want an overview of major global internet traffic route (as approximated by routes of trunk submarine cables) 00:09 https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ 00:10 This is only tangentially related, but I get a lower ping for `google.ru` than for `google.com`, which I think is kinda interesting. 00:11 Only be around 2 milliseconds, but consistently 00:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 6499 points, T:6512, killed by a giant zombie 00:11 dog turned into a demilich in sokoban just in time to maintain my streak of deaths in sokoban. Hooray! 00:13 bouquet, no bones :C 00:16 there should be an award for streaks for dying in sokoban. I'd win it. I get dumb at the final zoo 00:17 The only time I've died in soko was because I trapped myself with boulders and had no pickaxe 00:17 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:21 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 00:23 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 00:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 00:26 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:26 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:6136 00:32 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6956 00:48 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping an octagonal amulet on an altar, on T:8559 00:58 Is anyone else left wondering if K2's amulet was cursed? 00:59 maybe should add that to the livelog message :) 01:00 actually no that might be hard... forget I said anything. Nobody cares if the amulet was cursed. 01:00 Well, now *I* do 01:00 K2: So, was the amulet cursed? 01:02 it's such and edge case... only relevant if the way the player breaks conduct is by dropping something on an altar, and then only if they do it after T:3000 (or whatever number that's set to). 01:03 Atheist for 8.5k turns is not bad though 01:03 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:04 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming an incubus, on T:9811 01:04 You smile at the grid bug seductively. You kill the grid bug! 01:05 Tangles: In a similar vein though, it would be cool to have livelogging whenever someone discovers an item is cursed by wielding it or trying to take it off, so we can laugh at their plight. 01:06 K2: Any particular reason you decided to become an incubus of all things? 01:06 PavelB, that would be fun (for most of us) 01:06 You smile at the hill orc seductively. You steal: O - a scimitar. 01:06 heh 01:06 PavelB: I decided nothing 01:07 Oh, heh 01:07 and i am glad to still have all my armor 01:07 Whenever I get polymorphed outside of my will, it's always bees or something 01:08 with me its usually something that breaks all my cool guy armor 01:08 Actually a lot of the time I have SDSM by then and become a silver dragon 01:08 And lose my SDSM 01:09 Which, naturally, was already enchanted to +5 or something so I couldn't safely enchant the scales back into SDSM. 01:09 You fly onto a polymorph trap! You feel a change coming over you. You turn into a male orc-captain! 01:13 With my luck, I'd quickly get something like "You smile at the water nymph seductively. You steal: # - a loadstone." 01:15 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Val Dwa Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +5 gray dragon scale mail", on T:10942 01:16 Did you get the +5? 01:17 no 01:18 I wish for +2 because I'm boring like that 01:19 I almost always go +5 these days 01:19 go big or go home baby 01:20 not for stacks though, normally stay at +3 for stacks 01:20 yeah baby 01:21 I mean, you want +5 right? But it can be hard to get (big chance you get stuck at +4) and will take at least 2-3 ?oEA to get there 01:21 or you wish for +2, get it, blow another 2-3 ?oEA anyway and end up with +4 01:22 or you just wish for +5 and have a 20% chance of getting it right there 01:23 correction: or you wish for +2, get it, blow another *1-2* ?oEA anyway and end up with +4 01:23 Statistically, if you have multiple wishes, and you want a lot of something, it's better to wish for +3 twice than +5 twice. 01:24 yeah, that applies to stacks 01:25 like, if I want a stack of silver spears for my caveman(woman) then I'll prob wish for +2 three times 01:25 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11858 01:25 and expect to get 7 silver spears (epect that one time I'll only get 1 silver spear) 01:26 like, if I want a stack of silver spears for my caveman(woman) then I'll prob wish for *3 spears* +2 three times 01:27 or even just +0, as it doesn't really matter how many plussed you get with something like that (you're going to enchant the stack anyway) 01:28 but yeah, when wishing for armour then I reckon go +5 every time. Worst that can happen is that it comes out at +0 01:29 Actually, worst that happen is you get DSM at +5, instantly step on a polytrap, and can't enchant your scales back into armor without risking destroying it. 01:30 well, that's your own fault then really 01:30 should've wished for GDSM if you didn't have MR or at least poly control already 01:31 fun fact: last game I ascended with +7 SDSM because I accidentally forgot to take it off when enchanting my small shield 01:31 I once accidentally got +7 orcish helm like this 01:32 I found it at +3 01:32 lol, did you keep wearing it beyond finding a HoB or whatever? 01:33 if you read *cursed* ?oEA it will reduce your armour enchantment 01:33 which is a possible way out of the poly trap -> +5 silver dragon scales situation 01:33 Well, you see, I'm horrible at nethack and have never completed the quest 01:34 a - web 1 matter 87% 76%-100% 01:34 So really a +7 orcish helm was totally the best headgear I could have had 01:34 that is bad ass 01:34 web spell 01:34 totally 01:34 !whereis K2 01:34 PavelB: [hdf-us] k2 [spl]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:12932 The Gnomish Mines level: 6 01:34 havent seen that since 1st edition ad&d days 01:34 lol, really? 01:35 yup 01:35 I played D&D with my 15yo daughter and had massive... protocol interface errors I guess you'd call it 01:35 * PavelB tried 1E once, got scared, and went back to 5E 01:36 I'm all 1st edition AD&D + personal fluffiness about the rules to make it more fun, and she is all 5th edition 01:36 which has some interesting stuff, but a lot of it is useless IMO 01:37 lol Grassy 01:37 protocol interface errors 01:37 Actually, I'm fine with 3.5E too, but 1E doesn't work out in my mind 01:37 Something something THAC0 01:37 I had problems getting her head out of her smartphone for D&D 01:37 but then you realise that she is interactively looking up online tools for playing the game 01:38 no electronics 01:38 pencil & paper 01:38 iPad is very useful for DM 01:39 yeah well, other problem was that my daily schedule involves waking up before the sparrows fart, an having snoozy/down time about midday 01:39 which is when she would actually emerge from her cave (ie room) 01:40 hah 01:40 ok i gotta sleep 01:40 see you all later 01:40 oh, and typical modern teenager short attention span 01:40 K2 gnite! Sleep tight! 01:41 smells like a teenage spirit 01:41 yep, certainly smells like something 01:42 myspace is dead 01:42 What's myspace? lol, just kidding 01:42 i'm not sure how those two statements are related, but i think somehow the dots shall connect automagically 01:42 At our table, when someone pulls out their the phone the rule is that they have to bring doughnuts next session. 01:43 last dnd session was terrible 01:43 my kids would love that for the donuts 01:43 everybody really just showed up to hang out, and everybody got to inebriated to play :c 01:43 because naturally Mum/Dad/stepmum would end up paying 01:43 We play at a mall since the owner of one of the games stores is super nice and provides tables and lets us borrow figurines, so it's not too hard. 01:44 nice 01:44 been playing a starwars ttg online over mumble a session or two every few weeks, and it's worked out oddly well 01:44 I've got heaps of figurine but interesting my girls show little interest in them 01:44 do tehy play nethack yet 01:45 Guess it is something about how males get more easily stimulated by visual things 01:45 read: porn 01:45 hah 01:46 I've recently undertaken the task of planning a campaign set in a WWII setting. It was a fun idea, but a month later it feels like I've rewritten half the PHB and am nowhere near completion. 01:46 nice to starwars online, that can work quite well with the right people 01:47 it seems sort of mechanics lenient so it's more of tell a story together than roll for initiative 01:48 but that's discresion of the DM i suppose 01:48 yep 01:49 i once had a campaign that had sessions where we fought only fishmen for hours 01:49 ofc i was barb so i never had a tough time 02:11 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:50 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 04:58 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 05:07 -!- tungtn has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:08 -!- Elronnd has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:08 -!- khoR_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:11 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 05:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 05:12 [hdf-us] [nh361] Tangles (Rog Hum Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:36195 05:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] Tangles (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:36196 05:13 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:14 -!- hothraxxa has quit [*.net *.split] 05:16 -!- khoR has joined #hardfought 05:17 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 05:17 [hdf-us] [nh361] Tangles (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:36259 05:17 -!- tungtn has joined #hardfought 05:19 -!- Elronnd has joined #hardfought 05:20 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:21 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 05:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 05:23 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:32 -!- ais523_ has joined #hardfought 05:32 Beholder: messages? 05:32 apparently not 05:34 ais523_: that will not help much when you have an underline 05:35 also, morning 05:35 oh, right 05:35 -!- ais523_ is now known as ais523 05:35 Beholder: messages? 05:35 -!- ais523 is now known as ais523_ 05:35 not popular enough 05:35 !who 05:35 FIQ: [hdf-us] No current players 05:35 FIQ: [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh361] 05:35 FIQ: [hdf-au] No current players 05:35 ooh au server 05:35 fancy 05:35 it means that people have finally learned to stop bothering me :-) 05:36 ais523_: or maybe they finally caught up with the fact that you suddenly became more active on IRC 05:36 and thus ran out of questions :P 05:36 I'm not all that active 05:36 well there was a period where you'd visit for a few hours a month 05:36 at the moment I normally only join when I'm a) at work with nothing to do, or b) at home and stuck on something 05:36 you... IRCing at home? 05:36 that's new 05:38 +aosdict │ if I had a wish right now I'd use it on you 05:38 somehow that sounded dirty when I read it, but thanks :P 05:38 K2: Tangles: thanks! 05:40 it was nontrivial to set up, I still don't have an Internet connection at home 05:40 but IRC hardly uses any bandwidth 05:40 um 05:40 does not compute 05:40 no matter how much bandwidth IRC uses 05:40 or, well, I don't have a fixed Internet connection at home 05:40 it still needs nonzero 05:40 ah, 3g or similar? 05:40 right 05:40 I see 05:41 this puts me in the weird situation of technically owning a mobile phone but not being able to make or receive calls on it 05:41 also of being able to send text messages using my router 05:41 actually I've considered that too, but using it actively in that manner 05:42 getting a SIM card for a pyra to use on the go with mobile broadband 05:42 (so no calling) 06:10 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:50 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 07:06 [hdf-us] [nh361] Tangles (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Pestilence, on T:36532 07:06 -!- ais523_ has quit [Quit: meeting] 07:08 grats Tangles 07:13 [hdf-us] [nh361] Tangles (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1635134 points, T:36548, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/nh361/dumplog/1526042728.nh361.txt 07:13 wooo! 07:13 congrats Tangles!! 07:14 :D 07:14 That's my first 3.6.1 ascension (even counting dev) 07:18 nice one! 07:19 hah really? wow 07:19 does anyone have any ideas on how to do a good caveman flintknapping patch? 07:22 flintknapping? 07:23 when u beat rocks together to make points 07:40 so you can combine a spear with a flint stone to make a better spear? 07:41 you apply a rock to knap a soft gemstone, like flint or glass or something soft into a spearhead 07:41 and then you can modify spearheads on spears 07:42 but gemstones do special things 07:42 and glass is a cool cosmetic 07:42 obsidian should make good spearheads 07:43 the aztecs used it, I think 07:43 Clovis Points are a type of prehistoric tool made by native peoples of North America roughly 13,500-10,000 years ago 07:49 Demo__: maybe use the cobj field of a spear to hold its gemstone 07:51 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 07:51 you might have to special case stuff so that spears aren't treated like containers, but otherwise, should work 08:00 ok 08:02 not really sure what I want gemstones to do, thinking probably something cooler than elemental dmg 08:08 jonadab: seems like I've more or less perfectly replicated nethack's mkmap functionality now 08:38 -!- [Demo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:47 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 08:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 5528 points, T:5106, killed by a fire ant 08:52 and good riddance, that was a miserable game 09:03 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:12 * aosdict is now dying to a gnome lord that reached a wand of create monster before I could get to it 09:13 mwahaha he summoned a gas spore so I detonated it in the middle of the crowd of monsters 09:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1064 points, T:1358, killed by a rothe 09:28 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Bar Ang Mal Law) killed the ghost of Lymia, the former Preparing for Exams, on T:3602 10:14 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 2272 points, T:4837, killed by an owlbear 10:16 aosdict: Kinda makes you wish there were bigger, badder monsters with gas spore type properties, doesn't it? 10:18 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 10:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 10:20 -!- Hekik has joined #hardfought 10:24 jonadab: Now that I have mkmap down, I'm having a tougher time figuring out how exactly I want to modify it :P 10:25 heh 10:33 You consume rotten blue jelly. You feel healthy. 10:35 argh killed by a ghoul in minetown 10:37 <@Tone> Ghouls always worry me with that paralysis attack, even though it isn't a particularly bad one 10:39 I didn't have any cloak at all (or mithril) so no MC 10:45 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3114 10:47 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:19 -!- MysteryMyra has joined #hardfought 12:03 That was actually Matty the trapper 12:03 Status of Matty (neutral): Level 31 HP 247(248) AC 3, tame, fast. 12:05 how fast is a hasted trapper, anyway? 12:06 aosdict, not very 12:07 but that is why they have better survival characteristics, at least by comparison the purple worms 12:08 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] SkydiveMike (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 221 points, T:1123, killed by a dwarf 12:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:57560 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh361] Hekik (Val Dwa Fem Law), 120 points, T:804, killed by a small mimic 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:57711 12:38 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 8412 points, T:11538, killed by a raven 12:48 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:58867 12:48 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:58870 12:51 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:58915 12:54 [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 33047 points, T:1370, killed by a leocrotta 12:54 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 12:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hothraxxa] by ChanServ 13:05 -!- APic has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:07 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:59500 13:08 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:59506 13:14 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:59612 13:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:59649 13:18 -!- [Demo] has joined #hardfought 13:19 <@Tone> Yeenoghu sighting, nice 13:19 <[Demo]> damn bot crashing 13:20 <[Demo]> has no error handling for discord disconnect 13:20 <@Tone> He stole the amulet during my last game in between me killing the high priest and searching his corpse 13:21 <@Tone> He also stole my offhand +6 long sword 13:22 <[Demo]> yikes 13:23 <[Demo]> going through with flintknapping patch 13:23 <[Demo]> gonna be annoying to need to redo all spear weapons 13:24 <@Tone> That was a really annoying Sanctum run 13:25 <@Tone> Had Excalibur bull whipped from my hands at one point too 13:25 <@Tone> All I had left were wands and my fists 13:25 say @tone, what happened to the wishless wizard? 13:26 <@Tone> hothraxxa It just entered gehennom 13:26 <@Tone> Going to hopefully wrap it up this weekend 13:26 <@Tone> The main thing I'm missing is a bag of holding 13:26 oh so still going, cool. i might get time to watch 13:27 <@Tone> Also it would be nice if I didn't have to be so conservative with my lone magic marker 13:27 you wish 13:27 <@Tone> Hopefully not :P 13:28 <@Tone> If that goes well, I'm intrigued by the idea of a 9 conduct monk next 13:28 i did wishless in dynahack, because wishes in dynahack usually aren't worth the bother 13:29 <@Tone> Why's that? 13:31 <[Demo]> magic vs non magic wishes 13:31 <[Demo]> so only shitty early wishes from lamps and thrones 13:32 <[Demo]> and by the time u storm the castle a wish is worth less 13:32 <@Tone> Ah, interesting 13:33 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:34 <[Demo]> that's my guess at least ive not even made it to quest in dyna 13:44 !rng slex | dnhslex | something else 13:44 LarienTelrunya: something else 13:44 ...dude 13:46 sorry, was away. what demo said 13:46 !rng sporkhack | gameoverhack | crashhack | notakitchensinkhack | versionupdatesavestrashedhack 13:46 LarienTelrunya: gameoverhack 13:47 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:47 the other thing in dynahack is that the dragons are randomized so you can't wish for silver or dragon scale mail, you have to id the dragon first 13:48 gold dragon scale mail is reliable and not bad stuff (permanent light) 13:50 LarienTelrunya: I shall rename xnethack to "versionupdatesavestrashedhack" in the next release. 13:50 thanks :) 13:50 can you identify what the other variants are? :D 13:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:61329 13:52 now I don't remember what the sparkle setting in gameoverhack does... FIQ: lower value = faster animation? or slower? 14:00 <[Demo]> Oh wait maybe I did make it to quest in dyna if it's the one with the brown dragons 14:01 man I want to play... but I'm uploading some shit and it's hogging my bandwidth 14:01 <[Demo]> I need to save my nethack desire for june 14:02 LarienTelrunya: spork, fiq, , splice, xnh. Not sure what crashhack is. dnh? 14:02 <[Demo]> sparkle 0 means no sparkle 14:02 aosdict: they're all correct :) and crashhack is grunthack, because it crashes if you polymorph into a yellow mold. 14:02 that reminds me... 14:02 !tell K2 Grunthack crashes if you polymorph into a yellow mold. SIGFPE because the hitpoint bar tries to divide by zero. Or did you fix that already? 14:02 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 14:03 <[Demo]> I fixed an ndnh seg fault bug today 14:04 yay 14:04 will you add new monsters to ndnh? I ported all the splicehack monsters to slex today and to my disappointment I got a paltry 84 species total out of it :( 14:04 was expecting more from something that calls itself a kitchen sink variant, hopefully AntiGulp makes more monsters eventually 14:04 <[Demo]> thankfully I don't add monsters for the sake of adding monsters 14:05 <[Demo]> if I find a reason I will add more 14:05 "thankfully" 14:05 dude I need new monsters for slex, the more the better :P 14:05 <[Demo]> currently working on role differentiation 14:05 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:62586 14:07 <[Demo]> going to make cavemen illiterate 14:07 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:62767 14:08 LarienTelrunya: the number is how many frames it is 14:08 so yes 14:08 lower = faster 14:08 ah, okay 14:08 I'll probably set it to 6 or so (don't want to turn it off completely if I don't have to) 14:08 LarienTelrunya no that hasnt been addressed yet 14:08 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-24 14:02 EDT: Grunthack crashes if you polymorph into a yellow mold. SIGFPE because the hitpoint bar tries to divide by zero. Or did you fix that already? 14:09 do you still have the link to the backtrace I made for that crash from a few weeks ago? 14:09 my upload is at 93% now, so it won't be long until I can finally play 14:09 uhh... I might still have it, do you remember where it was hosted? pastebin? 14:09 termbin 14:09 if you dont have it saved i can just search the logs here 14:09 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:62769 14:10 LarienTelrunya: I set it to 4 myself 14:10 there's 5 termbin links in my browser history, one of them may be it 14:10 one moment 14:10 first one is the splicehack amulet of nausea crash 14:10 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 34148 points, T:1592, killed by a gnomish wizard's force bolt 14:10 second one gives a 404... 14:10 damn 14:11 the remaining ones also 404 for me 14:11 nope, sorry, only got the splicehack backtrace then :( 14:12 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:62859 14:15 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 14:16 no prob 14:16 i can always just reproduce it 14:16 wizmode 14:18 <[Demo]> why does grunthack have this issue? 14:18 <[Demo]> what did it change that lead to it? 14:20 no idea 14:20 man, setting the keybindings for a nh4oid variant is always such a huge pain in the butt 14:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4025 14:21 <[Demo]> yep 14:21 and if you get a segfault while changing the options, everything is gone... hence I always quit out of the game after making a few changes 14:21 there should be a button to press, maybe Ctrl-S, in the menu that tells it to save the current config :P 14:22 the movement commands are the worst, is there a way to tell it "delete all the vikeys, shift-vikeys and ctrl-vikeys movement command bindings"? 14:22 or do I really have to remove them one by one? 14:23 rcfile editing for FIQhack when :P (yeah I know why it can't be done) 14:23 <[Demo]> the best crashes are when shits null that shouldn't br 14:23 <[Demo]> be cause its usually easy to fix 14:23 also whose ingenious idea was it to make it so that whenever you change a keybinding, the menu jumps back to the top so you have to scroll down again!!! AUUUUUUUGH 14:24 !tell ais523 do you happen to know why the nh4 keybinding menu always jumps back to the top after you've changed a keybinding? this is ticking me off SO much because you have to scroll back down after every. single. keybinding. 14:24 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 14:25 YAAAAAAAAAAY SEGFAULT 14:25 <[Demo]> in nh4? 14:25 good thing I saved before making that last change! :P 14:27 !tell FIQ If I try to unbind the "run_east" key in FIQhack, by hitting f to open the keybindings and then pressing a to "delete key Shift-l", then hit escape, the terminal displays some funky text for a split second and sends me back to dgamelaunch. Fix plz :P 14:27 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 14:27 how do I unbind this shit now 14:27 <[Demo]> you don't the game is broken 14:27 <[Demo]> idk 14:28 but I managed to do it in Nethack Fourk, even though it has the same error... 14:29 LarienTelrunya: I am unable to reproduce this. But keybinds do have some stability issues, inherited from NitroHack 14:29 FIQ: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-24 14:27 EDT: If I try to unbind the "run_east" key in FIQhack, by hitting f to open the keybindings and then pressing a to "delete key Shift-l", then hit escape, the terminal displays some funky text for a split second and sends me back to dgamelaunch. Fix plz :P 14:29 Do not try to escape prompts without any set keybinds 14:29 hi FIQ! it's even worse: if I try " c - Mass rebind: Ctrl- and Shift-direction" and then "u - Unmap Ctrl-direction" or "U - Unmap Shift-direction"... it does nothing!!! did anyone ever test that menu point? 14:30 if I go back into the keybinding menu, they're all still there, fix plz :P 14:30 What you say is not true 14:30 Unbind shift+direction works fine for me 14:30 it doesn't for me 14:30 please make it work :P 14:31 the nethack4 system is broken as heck and I'll add a bunch of scornful random messages to slex now :P 14:32 I don't know what you are doing 14:32 But I can't reproduce 14:32 Not on hardfought either 14:32 I want to see the source code of those functions. 14:32 Which is the same as you are using 14:32 specifically, the functions that run when you hit the "unmap blah-direction" menu buttons 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:63689 14:33 man, the only way is now to put all those keymaps into the "do nothing" command 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:63720 14:34 It is in keymap.c, keymap_action_massrebind_modif 14:34 What are you even trying to do? 14:34 but *the ability to crash the game by removing the last keymap of an action is a security issue* 14:34 Yes, that is an actual issue and it needs to be fixed 14:35 I can't reproduce exactly what you are mentioning, but I have seen similar issues beforehand 14:35 I know of it, I just don't know how to fix it, it is a NitroHack issue 14:35 so why doesn't it actually get fixed? I mean, FIQhack does produce core dumps on a crash, I guess? should be easy to analyze that and see where exactly it crashes 14:35 If I am provided a gdb backtrace, then yes, I can probably fix it 14:35 As it is, I can't reproduce it 14:36 But I know that I have seen it. I just don't know how to reproduce it 14:36 well, I go through the keybindings list from top to bottom. For example, I set loot to "l", which is one of the directional keys, and #name to "shift-n", which is also one. 14:36 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "the blessed greased fixed historic ring of free action", on T:63905 14:36 However, I am unable to solve any issues with mass-rebind modifier u/U 14:36 Those specific directions thus no longer have those keybindings, but the others still do. 14:36 and I don't even understand what you are trying to accomplish with it 14:37 Seems like a very pointless command tbh, I didn't make it 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:63907 14:37 Maybe the mass-rebind modifier only works if all of those keybindings are still at their default values? 14:37 well DUH, I want to unbind those vikeys commands because I have a number pad, of course! 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:63908 14:37 Just checked 14:37 Not true 14:37 if I hit a letter key I don't want my character to move in a random direction and die :P 14:37 It iterates through every single keymapping 14:37 No breaks or similar 14:38 well, the rebind modifiers just plain don't work for me, sorry 14:38 I wish they would work 14:38 What are you trying to do? 14:38 Hm 14:38 I'd spectate you but this is a case where enhanced watchmode is actually a liability 14:38 set your terminal to 140x40 :P 14:39 That will not help 14:39 FIQHack runs in enhanced watchmode 14:39 anyway I managed to unbind everything now and can finally start playing 14:39 Can you reproduce in ascrun? 14:39 probably, not sure 14:39 Because that doesn't have enhanced watchmode 14:39 So I can see what you are trying to do 14:39 Because I can't fix a bug I can't reproduce 14:40 hmm my AmyBSOD account on ascrun has it all set already 14:40 now can you show me what is broken? 14:40 simple 14:40 well I need to use another account, one where it still has the default settings 14:41 go to that menu 14:41 man, both of my accounts already have it set to the values I want 14:41 you can set them back to defaults 14:41 you realize that, right? 14:41 I need to make a third account... 14:41 yes, and then when I actually want to play on those servers again I have to set it all again, no thanks :P 14:42 it is enough of a pain in the butt to set it up *once* 14:42 okay you can watch now 14:42 ok 14:42 my dimensions are 140x40 in case it matters 14:43 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "3 cursed greased potions of confusion", on T:63944 14:43 hmm here the mass unbind worked 14:43 so what is the problem? 14:43 yes, because they work fine 14:44 Why are you doing this manually? 14:44 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:63993 14:44 to test for crashes 14:44 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 14:44 on hdf it would long have crashed by now 14:45 Well, it worked fine when I was testing the options 14:45 On hardfought 14:45 it's probably because of glibc, apparently ascrun doesn't use that and so it doesn't detect the buffer overrun or whatever it is, allowing it to keep running 14:45 both US and EU 14:45 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 cursed greased fixed potions of confusion", on T:64023 14:45 anyway, whatever 14:45 enjoy the game 14:46