00:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] amelie (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1591 points, T:2127, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted giant ant 00:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 12548 points, T:7682, killed by a sergeant 00:22 [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:28423 00:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] amelie (Hea Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (arch-lich), on T:3026 00:32 [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided class 'E', on T:28541 00:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:6388 00:45 [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached the Astral Plane, on T:28840 00:47 [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 96439 points, T:28863, killed by Famine, while fainted from lack of food (with the Amulet) 01:02 ooof 01:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:6814 01:45 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 01:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 01:45 !who 01:45 Grassy: [hdf-us] mighty [fh] monstergrin [dnh] Flan99 [dnh] 01:45 Grassy: [hdf-eu] Grasshopper [nh361] 01:47 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:02 [hdf-us] [fh] ShittleBittle (mighty) (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 49470 points, T:12382, killed by a mountain centaur 02:16 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Ana Elf Fem Cha) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:7736 02:28 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 02:30 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:24 -!- loli has joined #hardfought 03:25 how fun, a level in the mines in slex is just soko 03:48 !who 03:48 Grasshopper: [hdf-us] dolores [slex] 03:48 Grasshopper: [hdf-eu] No current players 04:01 can you clone magic lamps 04:01 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:32 is there still a bot that plays on this server? 05:08 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:19 no 05:31 my T-shirt reads "Hello, I'm War!" 05:48 <@Winsalot> Will standing over a sink alow me to remove cursed levitation ring? Wiki isn't very clear on this one 05:52 floating over a sink will make you crash on to it and lose your ring 05:52 (the ring will come off, the sink won't swallow it) 05:53 but it does some damage so don't do it when low on HP 05:59 <@Winsalot> Oh yeah, Im so smart 06:00 <@Winsalot> Was punished and stuck with cursed ring of levitation with no food left 06:00 <[Demo]> eat ur hand 06:00 <[Demo]> with the ring on it 06:00 <[Demo]> then spit the ring out 06:00 <@Winsalot> Thought that it as over for me. Got angry at jonadab 06:00 <@Winsalot> but today remembered that rat people can eat walls 06:00 <@Winsalot> so I started eating rock for nutrition 06:00 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2234 06:01 <@Winsalot> went 10 levels back to the sink and removed fucking ring 06:01 <@Winsalot> and then got rid of the boulder as well 06:01 <@Winsalot> Im so smart 😃 06:02 why did you get angry at jonadab? 06:03 <[Demo]> because thats the rule 06:03 <@Winsalot> because first prayer didnt help me with ring of levitation, and second prayer got me punished 06:04 well, that's hardly jonadab's fault 06:06 <[Demo]> yeah it is its his variant therefore u have to blame everything that goes wrong on him 06:06 <[Demo]> thats how variants work 06:07 <[Demo]> its a lot more of a fun and personal playing experience that way 06:07 <[Demo]> atleast thats how i play fh 06:09 I have a flute, a harp and a bell 06:09 <[Demo]> start a band 06:09 now all I need is a drum to be a one-woman band 06:10 <[Demo]> find a couple elves 06:10 I think the harp is cursed 06:10 <[Demo]> make an elf use it then lol 06:10 <[Demo]> i think dnh 3.15.2 drows might?? be able to use cursed shit 06:10 <[Demo]> probably not actually 06:11 * elenmirie is currently searching for an instrument, any instrument to use at the castle 06:11 can I have your cursed harp? 06:11 sure 06:11 hi 06:11 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 06:12 <[Demo]> hi fiq i died its ur fault 06:12 or my probably uncursed possibly wooden flute, I have Dx 8 anyway 06:12 * FIQ zaps [Demo] with a wand of striking! 06:12 arc quest is full of snakes but I don't expect to charm them 06:20 <@Winsalot> hi fiq i died its ur fault 06:21 oh yeah? 06:21 well it isn't 06:21 but maybe I should sprinkle a few wands of summoning on every monster that generates 06:21 that would definitely be my fault 06:21 :) 06:23 <@Winsalot> create monster > summoning btw 06:24 what do you mean? 06:26 <@Winsalot> I liked create monster wands more than the wands of summoning 06:27 I prefer them as they are now 06:27 Symmetric 06:27 And not as spammy 06:27 <@Winsalot> but summoned monsters dont leave corpses 06:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:37 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:44 @Winsalot because they're temporary 06:44 having them leave corpses if they do die is a bit weird 06:44 this is actually why I buffed altar saccing btw, to compensate for the lack of corpses 06:56 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:59 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 06:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 07:01 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:27 is the EDOG flag for minions? 07:31 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 07:38 Demo__: EDOG is not a flag 07:39 theres an MM_EDOG flag in dnh idk what the real name of it is 07:39 cause he renamed all the M1 and M2 and M3 to like MG and MM and stuff 07:40 it's not one of those flags 07:40 it's one of the makemon flags 07:40 edog is a struct 07:40 for tame monsters 07:40 not minions 07:40 that's emin 07:40 thanks 07:50 <[Demo]> why do minions work differently from regular monsters? 07:51 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:52 ask DT 07:53 why are high priests marked G_UNIQ? 07:53 <[Demo]> they are? 07:53 they are 07:53 strange 07:54 Demo__: I have a question for you 07:54 really weird too when a non unique monster can grow into a unique one 07:54 ok fiq 07:56 Why do you 07:56 <@FIQ> talk like this? 07:56 also how do you scroll the channel list without a scroll wheel 07:56 on discord 07:56 I though G_UNIQ would be unset somehwere in the code for high priests, but I can't find that line now 07:56 arrow keys 07:56 and selecting the thing 07:56 I tried that 07:56 doesn't work 07:57 <@Winsalot> FIQ:hover mouse and scroll bar appears 07:57 weird, i usually do that 07:57 @Winsalot ah 07:57 it's almost invisible 07:57 really bad color contrast 07:57 so I didn't notice 07:58 morning 07:58 <[Demo]> i jump between demos cause I go from checking phone to computer 07:58 hi k2 07:58 I see 07:58 <@FIQ> Makes sense I guess 07:59 so whats the proper way to iniate a communication with the devteam about a discrepency in the lava code that is a result of copy and pasting some code used for water? 07:59 initiate 07:59 they have a bug reporting form 07:59 it isnt a bug 08:00 well it would be a stretch to call it a bug 08:00 issue reporting form, whatever you want to call it 08:00 i feel like they don't wanna hear about dumb little potential slight issues depending on how you look at things there 08:01 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.0/src/hack.c#L2509 this line here seems wrong to me 08:03 what monster are 'Flying && !Breathless' ? 08:03 vampires 08:04 oh... does !Breathless mean not breathless? 08:04 let's say you are a monster that likes_lava 08:04 so a salamander or a fire elemental 08:04 if you are walking in lava you can pick stuff up that is in it 08:04 but suddenly if you are flying you cannot 08:04 unless you have an amulet of magical breathing 08:05 like what 08:05 it makes sense in the water code above 08:05 but not here 08:06 that's old code, from 3.3.1 08:07 it looks to me like they copy and pasted the water code and didn't think to change that bit of it to make any sense in the context of lava 08:09 but isn't this code about stuff that is at the bottom of the pool? isn't the wrong part that you are able to pick things up as a likes_lava monster? 08:10 i don't think so 08:10 fire elementals and salamanders like_lava 08:10 both can breath lava or dont need to presumably 08:13 <[Demo]> just removing that line seems to make the most sense to me 08:16 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 08:23 bhaak: dragons 08:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:38 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 08:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:55 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:10 !tell AntiGulp Sorry about all the abusefilter hits, the wiki is pretty sensitive about newly registered users posting a bunch of external links. Once you've been registered for 3 days those should go away. 09:10 Will do, aosdict! 09:14 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 09:14 -!- raisse is now known as Guest90017 09:14 -!- Guest90017 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:14 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 09:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 09:31 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:34 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Ana Ang Mal Neu), 6144 points, T:1546, killed by a monster (devious Archon), while reading a cursed book 09:38 !time 09:38 Grassy: Tue May 22 09:38:52 2018 EDT 09:46 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 09:49 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Sli Ang Mal Law), 4708 points, T:1757, quit 09:51 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 09:53 [hdf-us] [spl] rikersan (Mon Mer Mal Neu), 952 points, T:1739, killed by Ms. Ermenak; the shopkeeper 09:54 [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:36066 09:56 aosdict: can't you manually mark AntiGulp as trusted? 09:58 Well, this happened while I was away. 09:59 And I'm not sure, I never saw anything like that. 10:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Dna-Kni Dwa Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1229 10:05 Hello from somehwere between Frankfurt and Brussels 10:05 <@rikersan> hello from the other side 10:12 rip rikersan 10:15 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 31518 points, T:1057, killed by a large mimic 10:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 2046 points, T:2446, killed by a soldier ant 10:26 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:27 [hdf-us] [nh361] Tangles (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34057 10:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fireproof bag of holding", on T:31306 10:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] Tangles (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:34064 10:32 hmm, my terminal session on hdf-eu suddenly closed saying "server unexpectedly closed network connection" 10:32 the hdf-us session, on the other hand, is still active 10:33 ah oops 10:33 thats my fault 10:33 ah now I can connect again :) 10:33 didnt think that'd happen 10:33 didn't have a game running so it's all good :) 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh361] Tangles (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34199 10:36 K2: My game on the EU server just died and when I try to go back in it asks me if I want to destroy my old game... 10:36 Please help... 10:36 Grassy dont destroy 10:36 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 10:36 K2 never destroy 10:36 i'm backing up the eu instance, and AWS allows you to do it without interruption of service 10:36 or so it claimed 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh361] Tangles (Rog Hum Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:34236 10:36 HA 10:36 so one sec 10:40 Status of the fusion elemental (neutral): Level 25 HP 342(342) AC 2. 10:40 at the castle 10:40 well that sucks. Should be able to clone without interruption. 10:40 !whereis hothraxxa 10:40 Tangles: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [spl]: No details available 10:40 it's an early castle too, dlvl 26 10:40 ok Grasshopper 10:40 give it a try 10:41 thanks K2 10:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:41 !who 10:41 K2: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [spl] krm26 [fh] Tangles [nh361] Eleven [nh361] aosdict [xnh] 10:41 K2: [hdf-eu] Grasshopper [nh361] 10:41 back in 10:41 \o/ 10:41 woot 10:41 You hear a chugging sound. Something speaks. "It is about time." 10:41 lol 10:41 YANI: dipping water into oil shouldn't count as "random alchemy" and make the water explode :/ 10:42 !booze K2 10:42 * Beholder pours K2 a tumbler of moonshine, fermented by Izchak at 52 degrees Fahrenheit. 10:42 !tell antigulp at the castle, dlvl26: Status of the fusion elemental (neutral): Level 25 HP 342(342) AC 2. really? 10:42 Will do, hothraxxa! 10:43 you got this hothraxxa 10:43 thx Grasshopper 10:43 * K2 chugs 10:43 i don't think so. it just engulfed me and pummeled me. i don't even have a wand of teleportation yet 10:43 oh it can engulf 10:43 nice 10:44 did it pummel you with neutrinos? 10:44 hothraxxa: When you kill it, it turns into one of each regular E :) 10:45 oddly it did no damage despite hitting me three times and then pummelling me 10:46 perhaps you were whatever-it-pummeled-you-with-proof? 10:46 debris. it's clearly a combination of all elementals 10:46 if so, did water get in your bag? 10:46 or dirt? 10:46 ooh hey 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3155 10:46 engulfed by earth elemental, fills containers with rocks 10:47 sorry no time to look just now, i'm kind of busy 10:48 pffft 10:48 engulfed by fire elemental, destroys everything in open inventory that can be damaged by fire? :P 10:48 (EPI if it also affects the bag of holding) 10:49 in grunthack, water elementals can engulf. water will get into containers, and if you dont have magical breathing, you'll drown 10:49 i got away, since i know knock 10:50 i need a strategy for that sucker 10:50 knock knock -- who's there -- hothraxxa -- hothraxxa who? -- let me out of your belly! 10:51 The demilich casts a spell at you! Oh no, she's using the touch of death! 10:51 since when? 10:52 I thought only high-level master Ls and arch-liches could do that. 10:52 Makes you think twice about storming the castle without MR... 10:52 Demilichen of high enough level can, but you are unlikely to meet one at the Castle. 10:53 demilichen :) 10:53 delilich 10:54 thats how i read that 10:54 it throws sandwiches at you 10:54 YASI: delicatessen stores have demiliches as shopkeepers. 10:54 maybe some chips 10:55 I now have a large cat, a trapper and a purple worm as pets. ftw! 10:55 but sometimes they are more like wtf? 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] Tangles (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34481 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] Tangles (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34482 11:03 [hdf-us] [nh361] Tangles (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:34485 11:04 [hdf-us] [nh361] Tangles (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:34489 11:05 So, I just spent 45 minutes kicking trees on Medusa's level in order to get 40 eucalyptus leaves, as the game wasn't giving me a magic whistle 11:05 YANI: Lemures should be undead or demonic in their monster flags - Stormbringer drains them for some reason. 11:05 then I find a magic whistle on the next level down 11:07 so i zapped it with poly and it turned into a silver dragon--that didn't leave a corpse 11:08 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 31486 points, T:1349, killed by a gnome lord 11:13 What variant has lemures? 11:13 PavelB: vanilla :D 11:13 I did not know that. 11:14 they apparently only appear in Gehennom, and are so low-level that the monstermaking routine almost never selects them because Gehennom is so deep 11:14 some are always generated on Jubilex' level 11:15 PavelB: lemure is basically a weaker manes that occurs much later in the game. 11:15 By the time you see them, you are largely not paying attention to most individual monsters. 11:16 And lemures are _so_ weak, compared to other things at that point in the game, that there's no way you'd actually notice them. 11:16 I removed them from Fourk. 11:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:16 jonadab: you heretic! I'll make sure to re-insert them into the game if I ever make a SLEXhack Fourk :P 11:17 I noticed this with imps as well, so perhaps it goes for all i. 11:17 None of the i are a threat to the player past midgame. 11:17 #MakeLemursGreatAgain 11:17 Lemurs or lemures? 11:18 LarienTelrunya: they don't add anything to the game. My goal for Fourk is for each monster in the game to be meaningful. This is why e.g. hezrou have a passive stinking cloud attack. It makes them more distinct. 11:18 jonadab: they do add something, they decrease the odds that you get an elder black dragon instead :P 11:18 They don't. 11:19 Elder black dragons only generate in dragon halls. 11:19 Black dragon halls, specifically. 11:19 well, it used to be that they could also appear if a monster polymorphs, and in that case, if lemures are also a valid polymorph form it would make the dragon less likely 11:19 That was an oversight, and has been fixed. 11:19 None of the elder or ancient dragons is a valid polyform any more. 11:19 They should've have been in the first place. 11:25 Why are these mind flayers not respecting Elbereth? 11:26 Oh, right, Gehennom. 11:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:33326 11:31 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:37 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:41 why are all these salamanders generating with wooden weapons :P 11:52 -!- Dewzmint has joined #hardfought 11:53 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 11:54 won't they burn in their hands? 11:55 I'm not adding code to special case this, but it's funny. 11:58 -!- Dewzmint has left #hardfought 11:59 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:03 -!- Announcy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 12:07 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 12:14 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:16 -!- Announcy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:17 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 12:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 12:18 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 12:19 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Arc Hum Fem Law) let a gnome lord genocide class '@', on T:1985 12:23 <@kritixilithos> rip 12:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Ana Dwa Fem Cha), 18659 points, T:6755, killed by a quasit 12:24 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 37316 points, T:2140, petrified by punching a chickatrice barehanded 12:35 hi 12:35 Hello bouquet, Welcome to #hardfought 12:35 o/ 12:36 I learned to say Hi to Beholder because I leave a tmux terminal connected permanently. 12:36 otherwise I'd miss all the worshiping masses paying homage to my name. 12:36 I use IRC through a proxy that's constantly connected 12:52 znc for the win 12:53 What frontend do you use? 12:53 dont laugh 12:53 mIRC 12:55 i said dont laugh 12:56 I'm not laughing 12:56 It's more of a "pitying" 12:57 :/ 12:58 i'm on a windows machine all day long, and i have a paid license for mirc fromw ay way back. and its pretty 12:58 mIRC is *not* pretty 12:58 the way i set it, it looks nice 12:59 Whatever you say 12:59 pretty is a relative term 12:59 I think the terminal based client I used to use made my eyes bleed less than mIRC does 13:00 You know, I'm curious. How do Windows users generally play nethack on public servers? PuTTY is a PITA to setup but using the online hterm isn't optimal either. 13:00 PITA? 13:00 you double click it, it runs 13:01 I haven't used it in a while, i remembered it being pretty difficult 13:01 putty is easy to use 13:01 I use WSL for ssh 13:01 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:02 i use windows and kitty 13:03 Windows is getting ssh bundled starting in Redstone 5 and I'm pretty hyped for that. 13:03 Ooh that would be nice 13:03 AntiGulp: Message from aosdict at 2018-05-22 09:10 EDT: Sorry about all the abusefilter hits, the wiki is pretty sensitive about newly registered users posting a bunch of external links. Once you've been registered for 3 days those should go away. 13:03 AntiGulp: Message from hothraxxa at 2018-05-22 10:42 EDT: at the castle, dlvl26: Status of the fusion elemental (neutral): Level 25 HP 342(342) AC 2. really? 13:03 kitty is a putty fork. setting it up for nethack isn't that hard, you just need to get the translation setting right 13:04 It'll even have an SSH client, so you'll be able to remote *into* windows machines over ssh. 13:04 AntiGulp: i tried the cloning trick. no unlimited wishes, or any wishes at all 13:05 confused cloning gets you a shapechanger double who immediately morphs into something else 13:05 i wasn't even looking for wishes, just testing to see what happened to a stack of holy water 13:05 Honestly the thing I'm most excited for in Redstone 5 is windows explorer dark theme 13:05 Hothraxxa: Hmmm, maybe that feature got pulled in? I thought it was only supposed to be in the most recent version. Also, I have no idea how a fusion elemental managed to get 342 hp. 13:06 AntiGulp: another bug, when i a)pply a marker it does not offer my scrolls to wrtie on. all i get is [*] 13:07 i polyed the fusion elemental into a silver dragon and beat it up, but there was no corpse 13:07 big fan of irssi https://imgur.com/a/cmn15NK 13:07 pretty colors 13:08 i loe irssi but i only run it from a shell 13:08 Thanks for letting me know, time to go back to debugging. Also, I finally made a (very rough) wiki for SpliceHack, so it should be more playable. 13:08 How else would you run a terminal based client? 13:08 Ooh, irssi looks nice 13:08 i tried to get the windows version running and gave up 13:08 ya, this is on a dedicated vm inour data center in a tmux terminal 13:09 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12317 13:09 AntiGulp: i'm codediving. i can't always find the answers but it helps a lot 13:09 take that CPU! 13:09 PavelB: there's a windows irssi clienbt 13:09 -b 13:09 and I can just ctrl-BD to leave it running and logging. 13:10 irssi is a bitch to configure but once you get it right, it's the best 13:10 hothraxxa: Wait I figured it out. Thank you for catching it, that bug was insidious 13:10 which one? 13:11 Apparently I made fusion elementals always count as being on their home plane, but forgot to exclude regular dungeon levels. 13:11 ahhh 13:11 they have a home plane do they 13:11 the bastards 13:11 i found what i think is the void level 13:12 y'all need IRCCloud :P 13:12 then i read about the void dragon 13:12 <@Winsalot> Finally found magic whistle 13:12 alos: code divers will hate you for calling it a void dragon 13:12 <@Winsalot> This means that it's time to finally recruit balrog 😃 13:13 hothraxxa: Yeah honestly the void is just a bad idea 13:13 Void dragon is a mess that I've been gradually phasing out 13:14 i couldn't see any safe way to explore the place 13:14 is it no-teleport? 13:14 It's not worth it to explore, imo. There's too many nasty monsters. 13:15 and yeah 13:15 ouch 13:15 All the special levels are on my "next to rework" list 13:15 AntiGulp: if splicehack is really a kitchen sink variant, you find a way to salvage the void - maybe by placing some sort of reward there to give players an incentive to try :P 13:15 * hothraxxa engraves on the stairs "here be really nasty dragons" 13:16 i think the reward was tons of loot 13:17 oh, it was? when I was in the void in my splicehack run (back then you'd not even get a message that you just entered a deadly level, and the bottom status line doesn't say "Void" (plz fix :P)), the only thing I found was ubermonsters 13:17 -!- eady has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:17 LarienTelrunya: It gives a message now (along the lines of "hey don't go here plz") and branch stairs are colored. I'll look into the status line 13:18 oh, colored staircases help a lot :) 13:19 !who 13:19 PavelB: [hdf-us] krm26 [fh] knavery [nh361] hypnotist [nh361] 13:19 PavelB: [hdf-eu] winsalot [4k] elenmirie [xnh] 13:19 -!- eady has joined #hardfought 13:20 you did a splicehack run? on which server? 13:21 hdf-eu of course 13:21 the game just didn't want to provide reflection or MR anywhere in the dungeon, so my only choice was to try the castle, and the first lieutenant had a wand of death because of course he did :P 13:22 LarienTelrunya did you try Medusa/Perseus? 13:23 not that it did him much good 13:23 yes; the statue had no contents at all 13:23 I thought at least one of the items was guaranteed but apparently not 13:23 :C 13:23 someone got the sack and threw it into their boh with all the other loot... 13:23 and yeah it's weird that Perseus lost to Medusa despite the shield, maybe he forgot to wield it :P 13:23 err, wear 13:24 it must've had a wand of cancellation in it... 13:24 maybe he tried to wield it, not knowing that he needs to wear it to get reflection? 13:24 I think shield of reflection is only 75% chance, at leas in 3.6.1? 13:24 But yeah how did he die 13:24 LarienTelrunya, maybe that 13:24 LarienTelrunya: i don't see your run on the scoreboard 13:25 which scoreboard? 13:25 hardfought splicehack 13:25 AntiGulp, each item (shield, scimitar, sack) has a separate chance of appearing I think 13:25 #33 on https://scoreboard.xd.cm/recent.sph.html 13:25 the hardfought scoreboard only tracks hdf-us runs, sadly 13:25 ah 13:25 oooops 13:25 !streak Grasshopper 13:25 Grasshopper: [hdf-us] Grasshopper Max[nh361]: 6 (2017-03-17 - 2017-05-14). Current[nh361]: 1 (since 2018-05-02). 13:25 Grasshopper: [hdf-eu] Grasshopper Max[nh361]: 1 (2018-05-16 - 2018-05-21)(current). 13:26 wait, that is the best splicehack run ever??? that cannot be, surely someone has ascended it by now and I just don't see it on the scoreboard 13:26 interesting. i only got reflection in my game by getting the shield from perseus 13:26 no one has ascended afaik 13:26 not publicly anyway 13:26 wtf 13:26 challenge is on 13:26 ftw! 13:26 not many players 13:26 I have more time in the next few days, I'm probably going to try to ascend. I also want to try to get into dnethack 13:27 this cannot be, a complete noob like me currently holds first rank in splicehack? and it has been out since, what, over a month??? guys put some effort into it and beat me :P 13:27 i do not expect to ascend either, but i will press on 13:27 LarienTelrunya: i suspect my score will top yours once i die 13:27 i expect to run into more surprises like the fusion elemental, thjough 13:28 and there's always the guaranteed surprise meeting with demogorgon 13:28 I'm trying to keep an eye out so I can hotfix as many of those as I can 13:28 those new monsters are definitely going into slex, *the pre-nerf versions that is* :P 13:28 *evil grin* 13:28 AntiGulp: fwiw those warnings you occasionally get on editing the wiki (when you insert links) will go away 3 days from your wiki registration date. 13:28 AntiGulp: i know, i appreciate it, and i'm trying to help you find them all 13:29 hothraxxa: :) 13:29 i enjoy the testing aspect 13:29 dtype: Gotcha, sorry about the editing burst. 13:29 AntiGulp: no worries. Happy to see activity. 13:29 this is why i tried to clone my holy water 13:29 no apologies needed ever for productive wiki editing. heh 13:30 you saved me from struggling with the decision to abuse the shit out of cloning 13:30 LarienTelrunya:Please don't put pre-patch Mephisto or mystic scarabs in anything lol. They go beyond the realm of unfair 13:30 AntiGulp: why not? it's slex, did you ever play it? if you did, you'd know that there's much more unfair stuff in slex and the player is expected to find a way to handle it :P 13:30 AntiGulp: fwiw #nethackwiki exists. Mostly idlers and announcements about edits, but occasional useful discussion 13:30 i've killed a few mystic scarabs now, but only because i knew k2 died by one 13:31 in fact, it is time for... AntiGulp: play slex! *bundlebundlebundle* *büschelbüschelbüschelbü-schel-lein!* ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 13:31 he has his own slex, and we need more players before junethack 13:31 these bugs won't find themselves you know 13:31 LarienTelrunya: True, but Mephisto was... pretty broken. As in well over 100 damage per turn even with resistances broken. 13:32 And yeah spl is def my own slex at this point 13:32 AntiGulp: if your lategame slex char can't survive 100 damage per turn, you're not ready for Gehennom and certainly not for what lies beyond Gehennom :P 13:32 mephisto has his own lair no? 13:33 Yeah, it's super barebones though. https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/SpliceHack should cover most questions 13:33 LarienTelrunya: The more I learn about Slex the more terrified I am 13:34 well, Tariru did a 3-win streak in slex without ever having played it before, so I now have proof that it's not all that impossible :D 13:34 !streak Tariru 13:34 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] Tariru Max[slex]: 1 (2018-03-11 - 2018-04-10)(current). 13:34 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] Tariru Max[slex]: 2 (2018-04-07 - 2018-05-12)(current). 13:34 !asc Tariru 13:34 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] Tariru has ascended 1 times in 1 games (100.00%): slex:1 (100.00%) 13:34 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] Tariru has ascended 2 times in 2 games (100.00%): slex:2 (100.00%) 13:34 <@Zanza ( PC )> Does a ring identify after wearing it for a certain amount of itme? 13:34 look at those stats! they're to die for! :D 13:35 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:35 @Zanza not in vanilla 3.6.1, other variants maybe? 13:35 Tariru is a wizard, not regular human, and doesn't count. 13:35 ^^^ 13:35 <@Zanza ( PC )> Ya playing 3.6.1. So the only means of identification is sinks which isn't great as you no longer have the ring 13:39 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:39 In XNH, dropping a ring down a sink gives you an 80% chance to recover it 13:40 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *poof*] 13:42 @zanza: sinks aren't the only way. you have price-id and of course, identify scrolls and spells. i must be missing something 13:43 some rings self-identify. you can test and unknown ring for teleportation by hitting ctrl-t 13:43 Also, even in plain 3.6.1, there's a 20% chance that dropping a ring down a sink lets you recover it... 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7481 13:46 <@Zanza ( PC )> Thats kind of nice you might be able to recover it. 13:47 20% really isn't something to rely on 13:47 You might as well accept you're losing the ring 13:47 <@Zanza ( PC )> Is there any way of seeing your current intrinsicts? I know I have certain ones telepathy etc however I am curious about other ones. I think I just got bit by a werejackal and was thinking about praying for salvation for stupidly engaging in melee combat 13:47 Yeah, and in vanilla, you have to desroy the sink to get it back. 13:47 @Zanza enlightenment 13:48 if "you feel feverish", you are now a werejackal 13:48 <@Zanza ( PC )> Ya I am a werejackal 13:49 You can #pray to get rid of that 13:50 <@Zanza ( PC )> Right I am just wondering what the chances are I would get rid of it and what I could do to make sure I get rid of it, such as not hungry, full health etc 13:52 It's pretty much guaranteed unless you're less than half health or weak 13:52 damn he left 13:52 [hdf-us] [nh361] Zanza (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3339 13:52 who left? 13:52 antigulp? 13:52 !tell AntiGulp don't phase out the void, I haven't tried it yet ;) 13:52 Will do, K2! 13:52 <@Zanza ( PC )> rejected atheism haha pretty funny 13:52 <@Zanza ( PC )> Looks like I was purified 13:53 👍 13:53 aosdict: Have you considered adding the convict patch to xnh? 13:53 Role differentiation of existing roles is a priority before any new ones are added. 13:54 What do you mean by Role differentiation? 13:54 i need to switch over to irssi 13:56 PavelB: E.g. optimal play for a ton of roles is the same, especially in combat - get artifact, get DSM, hit most monsters in melee till they die, etc. 13:56 Well, what are your plans for changing that up? 13:56 There are two goals: roles should feel differently from each other, and they should actually play differently. 13:56 yeah, but the only way to do that is to reduce headroom, as ais would put it 13:56 jonadab could explain it better. 13:57 I just don't think nethack supports that many different playstyles 13:58 Perhaps it doesn't, but it's obvious that it can be better than it is now. 13:58 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:32242 13:59 i think developers need to keep asking themselves "will players want to play this?" 13:59 because the evidence i've seen here indicates maybe that question isn't asled a lot 13:59 asked 13:59 <@kritixilithos> is this what you were referring to aosdict https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Jonadab/ClassOverhaul 13:59 It would be super cool if there was a role that focused on having a crap ton of pets to fight for you while being really bad combat yourself 13:59 But pet kills don't give xp 14:00 PavelB: that would be healers 14:00 <@kritixilithos> > Petmonger: Healer 14:00 @kritixilithos That wasn't actually written by jonadab, but he has adapted a lot of it into Fourk. 14:05 -!- mcw has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:05 -!- mcw_ has joined #hardfought 14:09 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:10 2 14:10 2? 14:11 sorry, stuck key. 14:12 Splicehack Tip of the Day: Don't let a monster get ahold of a wand of wishing... 14:12 *facepalm* 14:12 hahaha 14:12 welll 14:13 this IS good advice 14:13 isn't it weird that variants which claim to be non-evil allow monsters to use that wand while slex does not? :P 14:13 Monsters making wishes should show up on Beholder 14:14 So everyone can know exactly in what way a certain person is screwed 14:14 :D 14:14 yaaaaaay Lymia! you're back! I was beginning to miss you ♥ 14:14 A monster in [name]'s game wished for a "2 blessed scrolls of genocide" 14:14 Or something :D 14:19 What are monsters programmed to wish for? 14:20 The monster farlooks the player, and wishes for the nastiest thing they aren't resistant to, right? 14:21 of course, it would be nice if the monsters wished for things that the player would then want to use, e.g. SDSM, COMR, wand of death, 3 scrolls of charging 14:21 that way you could claim those items if you kill the monster before it uses them up 14:21 <@kritixilithos> "wand of death" "kill the monster before it uses them up" hmm 14:22 well, it might empty all the charges, although of course you can recharge it 14:23 PavelB: it looks like an equal chance of: potion of gain level, figurine of an archon, amulet of life saving, an artifact (i don't know which one), sdsm (if not a dragon, so apprentl dragons will use the wand), or a wand of death 14:23 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:33597 14:24 unlike fh and gh, which are both more evil than that 14:24 what 14:24 fh wishes is much less evil 14:24 yes1 you're eveil 14:24 oh fuck my typing 14:25 i thought fh monsters would go for charging and recharge the wand, no? 14:25 please make the bot announce monster wishes :D 14:25 <@Tone> Figurine of an Archon is pretty evil 14:26 implicit assumption that they know to a)pply it 14:26 otherwise why would they 14:26 Especially since in splicehack's muse code, monsters using figurines always come out hostile 14:26 hothraxxa: ^ 14:27 <@Tone> so you can't even luck out and get a peaceful one 14:28 hm. i am not sure what this means then: bless(otmp); 14:29 it's in the code for the archon wish. i assumed it meant the figurine would be blessed. otoh, that should just make it peaceful to the monster, right? 14:32 hothraxxa: muse.c line 1893: mon->mpeaceful = 0; 14:32 this is for any figurine 14:33 i confess to not knowing the code so i didn't look at that 14:33 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 14:33 i'm just trying to survive here 14:33 oh and beat amy i guess 14:33 I think they wish for blessed ones so that if the player manages to off them before they can use it, then the player gets a nice blessed archon figurine 14:33 small consolation 14:34 if you can tell me what artifact(s) they wish for, that would be nice 14:35 in the evil patch, they would wish for ogresmasher and trollsbane :P 14:35 all i can tell is that it comes from the list of aligned artifacts 14:37 seems like one aligned with the monster's alignment 14:38 which is what i tried to say 14:38 i can't tell if it's any aligned artifacts, or one that doesn't exist yet 14:39 well obviously it will only give them artis that already exist 14:39 *don't already exist 14:39 <@Winsalot> In Fourk giant spiders are seriously scary 14:40 !tell AntiGulp Bug in monster artiwishing code: mk_artifact can sometimes return NULL if all the valid artis have been created; the monster wish for artifact code doesn't check that. 14:40 Will do, aosdict! 14:41 hothraxxa: Seems like they'll never wish for unaligned artifacts unless they themselves are unaligned (which is kind of confusing the two types of unaligned) 14:41 And unlike the player, they will always get it 14:42 Not sure if quest artifacts can be generated like that 14:44 They cannot 14:45 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 142 points, T:1122, killed by a large mimic 14:46 aosdict: sure they'll only get ones that don't exist already, but how does the monster know which one to wish for? 14:46 it doesn't "know", it just picks one randomly. 14:47 so when the artifact exists...? 14:47 I.e. the monster doesn't select a specific artifact and try to wish for it, with that possibly failing - the code just says "give them an artifact, any artifact, of the right alignment" 14:48 So the monster implicitly "knows" which ones do and don't exist already, I guess. 14:49 the only way for it not to get anything is if all valid artis have already been created 15:19 "You feel the presence of evil. Grateful for his release, he grants you a wish!" --- not so evil after all 15:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "the blessed greased fixed +3 historic grayswandir", on T:36203 15:25 !rng explore the mines | continue on down to the oracle 15:25 K2: continue on down to the oracle 15:26 roger that 15:38 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1267 points, T:2404, zapped himself with a spell 15:46 w00t! hippocrates had an amulet of reflection in his chest 15:52 that bastard 15:57 i was using perseus' shield for reflection 15:57 awkward for a healer 15:57 but there was this black dragon, see 15:57 <[Demo]> yikes 15:58 well now i feel very firm 15:59 @Winsalot if you think spiders are scary in Fourk, you should play Brogue. 15:59 * jonadab shudders. 15:59 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Bar Ang Mal Law), 29330 points, T:4135, quit 16:00 heh... you said 'firm' 16:00 <[Demo]> ha 16:03 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 491 points, T:1450, killed by a killer bee 16:16 <[Demo]> nice one 16:19 "The invisible master lich casts a spell! A monster appears from nowhere!" oh hi Yeenoghu 16:21 hothraxxa: no 16:21 https://github.com/FredrIQ/fiqhack/blob/master/libnethack/src/muse.c#L230 16:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 403897 points, T:35551, killed by an invisible marilith 16:22 baaaaaaah 16:23 rip aosdict 16:23 killed by a lowly marilith 16:23 an invisible marilith... gated in by Yeenoghu who fled like a coward with a wand of digging 16:23 that may be it for me prior to junethack 16:24 aosdict: with that character went your willpower? 16:24 think I may work on planning out a new gehennom generator 16:25 I'll call it... aoscav 16:26 that won't confuse anyone :-) 16:27 :( 16:33 mcw_: ^^ 16:40 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 16:49 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 16:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 16:58 <@Winsalot> My green dragon got disintegrated 16:58 <@Winsalot> This is really sad. He has been with me for over 20k turns 16:59 <@Winsalot> damn 17:01 <@Winsalot> And I thought he would be there for me until my ascension 17:02 <@Winsalot> He was always there for me when I needed him, but I failed to be there for him. 17:02 <@Winsalot> Well, I guess its time to get a new tame dragon 17:03 pff I do cast detect food (for food appraisal) 17:03 also to practice divination in general (for identify and magic mapping) 17:05 * raisse is reading jonadab's class overhaul document (after an evening out with bff so slightly drunk) 17:06 <@Winsalot> tbk I really like Fourks rat-people race 17:06 <@Winsalot> other things I like somewhat less 17:09 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 17:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 17:10 aosdict: Heh, go for it. 17:11 Go for what? 17:11 aoscav 17:11 Make sure it supports embedding things, so you can embed the Fake Towers and such. 17:15 bhaak and I think we don't really need fake towers anymore. Just put the entrance somewhere physically on wizard3. 17:16 FIQ wants to keep the fake towers and their portal but not have them require their own levels 17:16 (and I think he did just that) 17:16 But yeah, things like the wizard's tower itself still need embedding. 17:17 Probably should look at grunthack for how it handles that. 17:25 aosdict: I removed the portals 17:26 Retroactively 17:26 i hear you knocking but you can't come in! #faketowers 17:31 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:34 Junethack is in over a week 17:35 aosdict: How are you planning to not play NetHack for so long :P 17:36 by working on fun level generation algorithms 17:37 aosdict: Actually, I would probably keep the fake towers even if they _don't_ have the entrance to the real tower. 17:37 There's no real reason not to, because they don't take up much space and add a small amount of interest. 17:38 In fact, you can potentially randomly get extra ones (more than two) in Fourk. 17:38 jonadab: In a scheme like xnh's where a special level prevents a fun room-filled filler level from generating, it's an important concern. 17:38 But yes, embedded in normal (the new normal) Gehennom levels, _not_ in mazes, because ugh. 17:38 Why are we reimplementing dungeon generation? 17:39 aosdict: Ah, actually, I have it so that the extra fake tower is a backup option if a challenge room is NOT to be generated. 17:39 I'm okay with having fake wizard towers be just random Gehennom special rooms, though. 17:39 PavelB: Because Gehennom desperately needs to be fixed. 17:39 Have you ever been to vanilla or vanilla-like Gehennom? 17:39 The first two (fakewiz1 and fakewiz2) are currently mandatory, but I might consider changing that if they weren't needed for the portal. 17:39 Nope 17:40 It sucks. 17:40 PavelB: Play through Gehennom about three times, _then_ come back and ask why it needs to change. 17:40 I keep getting to the quest and instantly dying 17:40 Dying at the quest? What role? 17:40 Valk 17:40 Hmm. 17:40 Are you diving into the lava, or something? 17:41 The Valk quest is not _particularly_ difficult, compared to the rest of the game. Granted, it's not the Tourist quest style walk in the park. 17:41 If the 4 times I've gotten to the quest, 3 out of 4 I died with two turns of stumbling into the portal on accident. 17:41 The fourth time I lived for like a solid couple dozen turns 17:41 What did you die _of_? 17:41 Fire ants? 17:41 Yes 17:41 Hmm. 17:41 Every single time 17:42 Maybe you are finding the quest portal way sooner than I ever have. 17:42 I've never managed to find it at a point where ants of any kind would be dangerous to me. 17:42 I don't think aosdict lowering the minimum level for quest was a great idea. 17:42 Oh, did he? 17:42 I was not aware of that. 17:42 Yeah 17:42 I mean, if you go through the portal too soon, you can always #sit and get back out. 17:43 Which is sometimes a good idea with the Ludios portal. 17:43 And also certain other quests. 17:44 I keep telling myself I'll try that but it's always a surprise 17:52 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 18:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] jonadab (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:33310 18:25 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:29 PavelB: The minimum level for the quest doesn't affect whether you can go through the portal or not. If I left it at 14, you would still have died to those fire ants. 18:29 You can go through the portal at XL1 and -MAX alignment. 18:30 Oh 18:30 Darn 18:34 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12956 18:47 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 19:32 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 9162 points, T:1887, killed by a monster (kickboxing girl called Marija) 19:32 Do pets remain in bones ._. 19:34 Yes, but they aren't necessarily still tame. 19:34 This can be "interesting" when somebody has been into the Mines and found a polymorph trap and turned Fido into a minotaur or something. 19:35 I shoulda ran the heck outta that bones 19:35 Did I ever tell you about the time I got to Minetown, and there was a barbed devil named Slinky? 19:35 there were, like, 5 monsters there that were way out of my ability to deal with 19:36 Yeah, sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. 19:36 (valour?) 19:40 Valour in British English; Valor in American; Aussies generally follow British usage here. 19:42 Velour when featuring Elvis under a black light. 19:42 But "valorous", never "valourous", although the latter may once have been correct 19:46 I prefer "colour" and "honour 19:46 " and "rumour" 19:47 But I think I prefer "valor". 19:47 This is probably horribly inconsistent of me. 19:48 I'd also be willing to accept -ise for all the -ize words, in exchange for the Brits accepting the correct spelling of "alluminum". 19:50 itym aluminium 19:52 ftr i spell it vapourize 19:53 "vapourize" - designed to annoy both Brits and Americans! 19:54 ^^^ 19:54 i'm canadian you see 19:54 i'm celebrating the merging of the two glorious english cultures 19:55 <[Demo]> heh 19:55 and the letter is "zed" 19:56 go team Zed! 20:01 Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead. 20:08 hothraxxa: no 20:08 yes! 20:09 Also, "revise" means "change". 20:09 Always has done. 20:09 (Change in the transitive sense, that is.) 20:10 i'm not sure if you're talking to me about revise, because if you are i don't know why 20:10 And while I recognize that "inalienable" was not the original spelling, I like it better than "unalienable" anyway. 20:11 urgh "unalienable" :P 20:11 hothraxxa: Brits use the word "revise" to mean "look over" (without making any changes). 20:11 i was just yanking your chain because you spelled aluminum "alluminum" 20:11 Oh, did I/ 20:11 Oops? 20:11 sure, that's what you do: you revise a work, then comment/edit it 20:11 oh i get it now. there's a lot of that as i'm sure you're aware 20:12 As in, "We were revising for exams..." No. Just no. The word "review" exists for a reason. 20:12 review is a noun 20:12 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 17424 points, T:4364, killed by a monster (squad astral elemental) 20:12 Also, the word "friend" is a noun. The verb is "review". 20:13 Grasshopper: "reviewing" is a gerund. 20:13 canada gets an interesting perspective on this because we get exposed to both british and american cultures to the point where some claim that canadians don't really have one, we just borrow 20:13 yikes, you crazy jonadab 20:13 Err, the verb is "befriend", I mean. 20:13 Etymologically "revise" *sounds* like it means look over. 20:13 well, that is what it means 20:14 it means what i mean it to mean 20:14 Thanks, humpty. 20:17 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 311 points, T:248, killed by a monster (battle scarred ronin) 20:17 wha 20:17 I think people assume that when you "revise" something that it can include changes, but this is not necessarily so 20:18 Probably wasn't watching health 20:18 nh 3.6 healthbar pls 20:19 I think by now "revising" for exams is established usage, like it or not. (It may differ from "review" in that ordinarily you only review material you have seen before, not always true of revising :-) 20:21 i stepped on a poly trap once and got annoyingly revised 20:22 I'm revising my advice ahead of the review 20:23 I might even change some of it, if I have to 20:46 <[Demo]> I'm revising my mind 20:53 I don't mind 20:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Ana Dwa Fem Cha), 33006 points, T:9194, killed by an ape 20:59 <[Demo]> get aped 21:06 Pinkbeast: Umm, if you _haven't_ seen it before, then the word you want is "studying". 21:06 Or better yet "cramming". 21:15 <[Demo]> that's what I'm doing rn and it sucks 21:16 "Your first assignment is to memorize the book of Leviticus. You will be reciting it verbatim from memory next week, on stage in front of the entire student body and a TV news crew." 21:16 "Afterward you must answer questions from the press." 21:24 Ahh... language wars. That's some backscroll I'm sure I'll get to later. 21:25 English versus Better English 21:26 <[Demo]> English vs improved english yeah 21:27 MiseryMyra: that statement by itself is impossible to determine whether it offends someone until you give it further context. It's Schroedinger's statement. 21:27 (Ssh, you'll foil my plans) 21:37 Well, you know what they say about plans. 21:59 hi 21:59 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 22:06 -!- tacco| has quit [] 22:13 !who 22:13 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [spl] krm26 [fh] hypnotist [nh361] ranlhach2 [un] 22:13 K2: [hdf-eu] No current players 22:17 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:20 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2716 points, T:3765, killed by an orc-captain 22:21 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:22 !lastgame 22:22 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/splicehack/dumplog/1527019468.splice.txt 22:22 K2: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/nh13d/dumplog/1527004230.nh13d.txt 22:24 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 22:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 22:26 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:34 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 22:34 [hdf-us] [spl] antigulp (Val Mer Fem Law), 295 points, T:497, killed by a little dog 22:35 aosdict, with your property types for armor in xnh, can a monk wear "a cloth light armor" without penalty? 22:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 1049 points, T:1362, killed by a giant bat 22:40 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3387 22:40 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 22:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 22:41 bouquet: no, that is still assessed for any body armor ever. 22:42 I assume it's somehow more rigid than plain cloth, or otherwise encumbering the same as a light armor. 22:46 silk should be a material choice 22:51 thanks. Too bad, might help with my weak monk skills to have some more armor to enchant. 23:01 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:23 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 23:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 23:31 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 45420 points, T:5879, killed by a soldier ant 23:44 -!- loli has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 23:46 -!- loli has joined #hardfought 23:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3116 23:58 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]