00:05 Can't tell if discussion is based on IRL drinks or SLEX got an alcohol update 00:05 :) 00:09 * PavelB quietly drinks regular grape juice in the corner 00:29 -!- MTF has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:35 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 00:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 00:38 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:55 faaaaaaaaaaaaaark 00:55 orctown.... again! 00:55 and bones as well 00:56 "cassiopeiastar" one step away from the stairs 00:56 to orcs of course 01:00 and ants 01:00 and rats 01:20 [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:44222 01:23 -!- hpardis has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:32 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:33 [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of magical breathing", on T:44421 01:35 [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached the Astral Plane, on T:44469 01:36 [hdf-us] [nh361] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:21574 01:37 heh, just ID'd ring of protection from shape changers by putting it on in a shop 01:38 lol, now all the mimics know that you've unmasked them 01:42 <@mtf> fuck 01:42 <@mtf> just died in astral =/ 01:42 <@mtf> death slowed me, totally forgot about slow being a big problem in FH 01:42 Grassy: sounds like my back shed. 01:42 <@mtf> then he proceeded to drain over 200 hp 01:42 <@mtf> before I could kill him 01:43 Definitely rats and ants in there, probably a tribe of orcs as well. 01:43 <@mtf> I had a +7 frostbrand and a +6 silver saber, yet hat wasn't enough to kill death before he could drain me aton 01:44 [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 97309 points, T:44508, caught himself in his own magical blast (with the Amulet) 01:51 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 556 points, T:1006, killed by a gnome's wand 02:03 raisse, nevermind I just force bolted it anyway (already moved everything out of the way!) 02:03 * Grassy loans Sting to Tangles for next time he goes to the shed 02:03 that'll help you cut through the spider webs as well 02:06 ... by a whole posse of hill orcs 02:06 I was eating one and then the rest came and killed me 02:31 Screboard is not updating, great. 02:34 It's a mystery. 02:35 There's not error whatsoever 02:36 Just all wgets return nothing. 02:37 Mein gott. 02:37 I was looking at the dev version of NHS :-) 02:41 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Bar Gia Mal Cha) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:4959 02:43 Mandevil, phew! 02:44 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 03:00 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 03:03 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:03 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 03:15 argh, the grand tour 03:18 gives me the chance to see xnh astral though :-) 03:18 raisse: Same as the vanilla astral? 03:18 Heh, it's not. 03:19 also the equipment made of different materials 03:19 and yellow q 03:19 What are they? 03:20 elenmirie is probably too busy to answer :-) 03:22 lol a visible choir 03:22 congrats elenmirie! 03:22 Misse that. 03:22 -d 03:22 No fancy armor. 03:22 oh they're titanotheres 03:22 "plastic mummy wrapping 03:22 the yellow q 03:23 Hm. 03:23 thanks! 03:24 Congrats elenmirie 03:24 yes, the yellow q is titanothere 03:24 ty! 03:24 I liked the two angels having a catfight, one with a mithril sword and the other with a wooden sword 03:25 this game had a lot of archons in it 03:26 I guess the choir was visible because I could see invisible... 03:29 grats elenmirie! 03:29 thanks! 03:29 <@Winsalot> Grats, whats your overall opinion of xnethack? 03:30 Are wooden swords as effective as mithril ones? 03:34 well, neither of them seemed to be winning 03:34 Winsalot: it has some interesting innovations... obviously still a work in progress 03:34 but then I didn't see their armor 03:34 <@Winsalot> Wtf, clicking on @mtf 's death dumplog redirected me to google maps? Also grats on almost-ascension :-( 03:35 I like the gehennom changes 03:36 and the materials stuff is WIP, it will be interesting to see where that goes 03:36 I notice you had just "gloves" (not made of anything in particular) 03:36 yeah, I'm not sure how that works 03:36 I had cloth speed boots, which had +0 base 03:37 did the gloves give any base AC? 03:37 yes, they were like normal leather gloves 03:37 probably were leather, just not called that 03:37 cloth gloves don't give any though 03:37 Those were immaterial gloves. 03:38 yes, I think there's a default base material for things 03:38 immaterial gloves shouldn't give any AC! 03:38 heh 03:38 things made of mithril give more AC than ordinary things 03:38 gold doesn't give any (but it looks nice) 03:39 and I didn't really figure out copper, silver, etc 03:39 and clearly, looking cool is the most valuable thing of all 03:39 of course! 03:39 <@Winsalot> We all know that mithril that angel with the gold shield of reflection made me think of Jan van Eyck paintings where the angels have rainbow wings 03:40 anything to look smart! 03:43 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:48 You fall asleep. You can no longer see through yourself. You wake up. 03:48 this is an amulet of visibility :-) 03:48 * raisse takes it off 03:49 bling is critical really 03:50 Thinking about invisibility... how does it look when you close your eyes when invisible. 03:50 I'd say, that if you don't see invisible, you see through your lids. 03:50 Now that would explain why NetHack characters need a blindfold. 03:50 They must be invisible! 03:51 They can't use their hands either. 03:52 i mean, you do have proprioceptive senses too 03:52 How is that related? 03:52 that give you a broad knowledge of where your body parts are even when you can't see them =p 03:52 oh 03:52 nevermind 03:52 ProzacElf: I mean, they can't use their hands to cover their sights! 03:52 yeah 03:52 i figured it out after i went on my tangent 03:53 =p 03:53 ProzacElf: Even with proprioception, not seeing your hands greatly diminishes your fine control. 03:53 yes, which is why i specified broad knowledge 04:12 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:12 -!- rld1 has joined #hardfought 04:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld1] by ChanServ 04:13 -!- rld1 is now known as rld 04:32 You drop a worthless piece of orange glass (unpaid, 4333 zorkmids). 04:32 Expensive glass. 04:35 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:36 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:37 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:14540 04:49 off to try taking out a pre-disturbed orctown again 04:50 cassiopeiastar got there before me, let the beasts out 04:55 3.6.1 has energy randomization? 04:55 Because the usual tactics of mimic slaying don't seem to work anymore. 04:58 energy randomisation? 04:58 monsters get a random extra speed sometimes 04:58 they always seem to know when they'll get it too 04:58 @mtf how was new fh gehennom 04:58 taken from what aosdict did 04:59 for example: the green elf seems to know when it has enough time to step out into the corridor and also zap that nasty wand at you, before you can react 05:00 I've managed to get past the first wave of orcs and stuff in this bones Orctown 05:00 Grasshopper: that is different 05:00 lots of force bolting from the stairs 05:00 outside FIQHack and dNetHack, monsters can move + use ranged combat in a single turn 05:01 is that fair? 05:01 why do you think I removed it 05:01 nice 05:02 I complained to DT about this once 05:02 they replied by ignoring the mail 05:02 Mandevil: 3.6.1 has speed randomization yes, but not in the way dcss has it 05:03 but a saner way 05:03 Saner? 05:03 well, instead of fuzzing monster speed 05:03 allowing a gap to develop over time when you move 05:03 monsters instead move with x/12 chance 05:03 where x is their speed 05:03 so if a monster is speed 3 05:03 they move 25% of all turns 05:03 at random 05:04 if a monster is speed 15 05:04 they move 1 time + 25% of the time a 2nd time 05:04 per turn 05:08 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:16031 05:11 FIQ: Isn't the effect pretty much same? 05:12 Mandevil: No because speed 12 monsters remain speed 12 05:12 Which is the major problem with dcss speed randomization 05:12 the fact that they aren't 05:12 They are, on average. 05:12 On average yes 05:12 But not in practice 05:13 They can doubleturn, creating gaps when chasing you 05:13 I would think doubleturn would be closing gaps, not creating them. 05:14 consider this 05:14 Unless they move to you and then attack in the same turn. 05:14 a monster has speed 11 for a turn 05:14 while next to you 05:14 err, 1.1 05:14 and they doubleturn you 05:15 and then they have 0.9 the other turn 05:15 creating a gap 05:15 they can close in the gap, or they can't 05:15 it's all RNG 05:15 but the point is that it creates a gap in first place 05:15 not good 05:15 Yes, but the next turn they can close the gap. 05:15 on average, over time 05:16 there will be a gap 05:16 The real gap creation is by letting them do their attack. 05:16 Like ogres who swing their clubs very slowly. 05:16 So that you can reliably create a gap. 05:16 if a monster swings and moves equally fast as you move 05:16 there will, over time, always be a gap 05:17 Wait and in nethack a monster has speed/12 chance to move in given turn? 05:17 yes 05:18 How in the world does speed over 12 work then? 05:18 well, (speed%12)/12 05:18 as I said 05:18 if a monster has speed 15, as an example 05:18 they will first use 12 of them to move 05:18 then have a 3/12 chance to move again 05:18 Oh, so they are depleting their "energy" until it's zero? 05:19 Got it. 05:19 I guess you can say that 05:20 From the point of view of the player this is not very nice. 05:20 why? 05:20 That mimic can easily move three times in a row. 05:20 Even when it's very slow. 05:20 yes 05:20 So it's completely unreliable to hit&run. 05:20 but this is not very likely 05:20 the entire point of the change 05:21 was to get rid of melee kiting 05:21 Yes, but now weak Arc has pretty much zero chance to defeat even plain mimic. 05:21 (early, with low AC) 05:21 well 05:21 the change does what it's supposed to 05:21 in that sense it's completely fair 05:21 whether or not removing melee kiting in first place is a good idea or not 05:21 I don't know 05:22 ais523 is the one who made the change 05:22 Orctown is now mine! 05:23 Grasshoppertown! 05:23 Well, kiting is tedious. 05:23 But it's still an option. 05:23 And that early mimic would a precious kill, because it's quite a chunk of XP. 05:23 Mandevil: 3.6.0 tried to remove mleee kiting too 05:23 but did it so badly that the change overall was really mean 05:23 As I see it, it removes one option. 05:24 Without offering anything in exchange. 05:24 and didn't even remove melee kiting properly 05:24 in that sense, 3.6.1 is much better 05:24 (what 3.6.0 did was fuzz monster speed between -1 and +2 to their base speed) 05:24 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 05:24 so speed 12 monsters was *faster* than speed 12 players 05:24 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 05:25 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 05:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:25 Yeah, that's mean. 05:26 silly question, how do you cast a spell in nethack 1.3d 05:26 press Z 05:26 doesn't appear to work, and the help doesn't list Z 05:27 hmm 05:27 X is transcribe, which seems to be how you read a book 05:27 maybe I don't remember 05:27 x lists them 05:27 maybe x allows you to cast? 05:27 btw 05:28 unlabeled scrolls are a random label in 1.3d IIRC 05:31 wew: if(!rn2(70)) 05:31 (void) makemon((struct permonst *)0, 0, 0); 05:31 nice fast monster spawning 05:32 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:33 /* well, if you are stupid... */ 05:33 lolol 05:33 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 05:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Mandevil] by ChanServ 05:34 it looks like u have to do # cast 05:34 lmao 05:34 this is great 05:35 if ur invisible, the cursor parks itself inthe top left corner 05:35 so u have to keep track of where u are 05:35 yep 05:35 intentional 05:35 and stupid 05:35 lol 05:47 My horn of plenty has stopped giving food after 4 goes 05:47 not very plentiful 05:47 guess I'd better go loot sokoban then 05:49 Grasshopper: Did you read the fine print when buying the item in question? 05:50 Mandevil, I never bought it, I found it on the floor protected by a jaguar I think something 05:51 but it definitely says "horn of plenty" in the fine print, which is only visible after you press the magic button 05:51 lol, izchak has all 3 kinds of yellow ( 05:51 unfortunately I can only afford the ones I don't want 05:51 pressing the magic button is regarded as "having read and agreed to the terms and conditions of sale" 05:52 raisse, always 05:53 I had a jasper stone I could sell in the general store! 05:53 C - a cursed lamp called magic (lit). 05:54 raisse: i found a double bones of urs in the mines, same level 05:54 got two magic lamps 05:54 and other things 05:54 yes, I died on my own bones level recently 05:54 killed by a kobold lord? 05:54 giant ant was one 05:54 oh yes that one 05:54 didn't remember the other 05:54 probalby the kobold lord then 05:55 boots are likely to be speed boots 06:00 i think a peaceful hadlooted them, but i had found speedboots, jumping boots, and two other randomized kinds (but not levitation in a shop) 06:02 so if you see a particularly fast gnome, they'll have my boots :-) 06:02 speed gnome 06:04 lol, an iguana death-dropped a tin of iguana meat (as well as leaving a corpse) 06:04 so I ate iguana with iguana for dessert 06:04 <[Demo]> yum 06:07 /* Originally, weight was always 8, which is ridiculous. (Plate mail weighs 06:07 the same as a pair of gloves?) */ 06:07 nice. 06:08 <[Demo]> wait was weight originally done by object letter? 06:08 no clue 06:08 this looks suspect that there isn't name randomization in nethack 1.3d SCROLL("scare monster", "XIXAXA XOXAXA XUXAXA", 4), 06:08 <[Demo]> thats the only reason i can think of for platemail to weigh the same as gloves 06:09 <[Demo]> well damn 06:09 they're weighted gloves! 06:10 <[Demo]> are you sure there isnt name randomization? 06:10 <[Demo]> maybe its less complex and tweakable? 06:11 quite possibly, not sure 06:15 it looks like it's indeed randomized 06:23 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:38 [hdf-us] [nh343] Mishka (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2859 points, T:3243, killed by a gold golem 06:41 Asidonhopo offers 3516 gold pieces for your wooden ring. Sell it? [ynaq] (y) 06:42 must be sandalwood 06:43 heh 07:01 !who 07:01 FIQ: [hdf-us] Mishka [nh343] 07:01 FIQ: [hdf-eu] Grasshopper [nh361] Raisse [nh361] elenmirie [xnh] 07:01 elenmirie: 3516? How? Why? 07:01 beats me 07:02 This is what it was: p - an uncursed -2 ring of increase accuracy 07:02 so, definitely worth it! 07:02 Asidonhopo offers only 3556 gold pieces for your ring of increase accuracy. 07:02 Sell it? [ynaq] (y) 07:02 yep. 07:03 there were some funny things going on in my last game with ring pricing... I might have missed some discussion on the topic, if there was any 07:06 You just sold the One Ring! 07:06 Now Sauron will win for sure 07:16 wow, a general shop 3x5 with no mimics 07:16 lv9 07:18 amazing, especially the no mimics part 07:18 elenmirie: raisse: a rather major change to obj materials recently is that weapon damages now depend on it as well as AC. For instance, edged glass weapons have +3 to damage. 07:18 nice! 07:19 but Isuppose they break easily? 07:19 and some object names were changed to be materials independent - so "gloves" are still leather gloves unless they specify something else. 07:19 I think the angel with the mithril sword would have won then, if you 07:19 'd given her the chance 07:19 yes, wood has -1 to damage (mithril has no modifiers) 07:20 poor elves with their wooden swords 07:20 and glass weapons, yeah, high damage but fragile, but you can shatterproof them now! 07:21 glass excalibur 07:25 fits with a watery tart 07:27 probably unintentional? 07:32 FIQ: artis are always one specific material 07:33 anyway going on next leg of car trip, see ya 07:34 raisse, I switched from uncursed +0 Magicbane to blessed +4 quarterstaff to take down an ettin mummy 07:34 then advanced a few steps towards a tempting altar on lv9 and stumbled upon a poly trap 07:35 luckily shrank out of my +3 dwarvish cloak rather than breaking it 07:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 07:35 have been keepin CoMR in reserve 07:37 oh I thought hell hounds were bigger than that 07:37 puppies probably not 07:38 argh I ate a kobold 07:38 thought it was a jackal, killed them on the same square 07:38 and I had only 3 HP so I'm dead 07:47 frag that 07:55 huh, didn't notice that 1.3d was added 07:55 that is cool 08:00 :) 08:01 hoping to have usable player cfg files soon for it 08:01 see if bhaak is able to make that happen 08:01 no xlog? 08:01 https://www.hardfought.org/xlogfiles/nh13d/xlogfile 08:02 theres livelog also, but beholder doesnt read either correctly (yet) 08:02 but inprogress function works 08:02 * FIQ pokes Beholder 08:02 maybe that'll get him to work on it 08:02 lazy bot 08:02 more work to do on xlog 08:03 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 08:12 Troll was poking me with a vulgar polearm 08:12 I thought that was a bit rude 08:12 So I killed it and ate the corpse 08:12 how many times? 08:13 "a bit rude", nice understatement 08:13 did it poke me? yes a few times 08:13 and I asked it nicely to stop 08:14 I mean how many times did you eat it 08:14 or at least start eating it 08:14 oh, just once 08:14 they do tend to come back up a bit 08:15 and scream a bit as you BBQ them 08:32 mmm BBQ troll! Delicious! :) 08:34 are they kebabable? 08:35 heh 08:35 or is that only dragons and such 08:37 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Kebabable 08:37 giants are, trolls aren't 08:40 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:41 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 08:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 08:43 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:45 I accidentally blatted a boulder while killing a giant mimic on soko4 08:46 it's the RNG's fault for not giving me a better spell than force bolt, and still on crap AC2 09:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:05 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 36819 points, T:2465, killed by a gray unicorn 09:22 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha) killed the ghost of groovejumper, the former Initiate, on T:2319 09:31 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 09:36 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:3372 09:37 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha) received advice from The Oracle, on T:3388 09:45 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 09:54 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Gol Ang Mal Law), 16334 points, T:2843, quit 09:55 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 09:56 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:3748 09:57 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 speed boots", on T:3754 09:57 someone found an early wand of wishing 09:58 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 elven leather helm", on T:3761 09:58 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 t-shirt", on T:3762 09:58 Guyes, where does one report vanilla bugs? 09:59 nethack.alt.org I suppose 09:59 on the contact form 10:00 oh you want to report a hdf vanilla bug of course 10:15 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Gol Ang Mal Law) killed the ghost of Lymia, the former Preparing for Exams, on T:1683 10:22 aosdict: Does glass erode or just break? 10:25 raisse: alt.org isn't actually anything official right? You could open an issue on GitHub. 10:33 [hdf-us] [slex] Tyro (Ord Ogr Mal Cha), 3195 points, T:2854, poisoned by a gray mold 10:35 YANI: A new monster called "Master Grid Bug". In addition to being tougher than normal grid bugs, getting zapped by them locks you to grid movement for a few turns, making it harder to deal with other enemies that may be present. 10:37 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Gol Ang Mal Law), 52239 points, T:3685, killed by a monster (night orc) 10:38 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:7182 10:39 !who 10:39 PavelB: [hdf-us] hothraxxa [spl] groovejumper [fh] knavery [nh361] 10:39 PavelB: [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh361] Grasshopper [nh361] 10:40 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:47 -!- Guest60246 has joined #hardfought 10:48 Minere BTC enquanto navega e trabalha sem deixar o pc lentão Bitcoin consegue aos poucos mesmo! https://getcryptotab.com/718967 Video tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luzqQN3kL4g&t=166s 10:49 Wat 10:49 K2: spammer alert 10:50 I've never seen spam on IRC before 10:50 Idk why, it was kinda surprising 10:51 spambots still make the rounds 10:54 ok 10:59 They can be banned, right? 10:59 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:59 PavelB: I meant nethack.org in fact, brain fog (I've had a really intensive weekend full of people) 11:00 PavelB: anyway that issue has been resolved 11:00 Cool 11:02 PavelB: They can be banned from a channel, but they come back with a new nick. They can be k-lined, but they come back from a different IP address, because spammers use botnets. 11:02 jonadab: Message from @Winsalot at 2018-05-20 09:23 EDT: something happened to my save. It told me to contact you 😃 11:02 jonadab: Message from @Winsalot at 2018-05-20 09:33 EDT: nvm, automatic save recovery worked 11:02 Freenode does _generally_ a pretty good job of preventing spammers from being hugely disruptive. 11:02 But you're going to see the occasional spam message. 11:02 Anyone know the range on force bolt? The wiki doesn't say. 11:03 NetHack Fourk updated (us and eu) 11:03 PavelB: well, it doesn't reflect, so in most scenarios it goes till it hits a wall. Unless you're in a quite open area (Mines, BigRoom, etc.) 11:05 i thought it was 6-13 11:05 being a beam 11:05 Well, if I zap it down a corridor it doesn't always hit a target that's far down it 11:06 Oh 11:06