00:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 49130 points, T:10532, killed by a leocrotta
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00:29 <Grasshopper> I killed a red nold and it dropped a ring of fire resistance
00:29 <Grasshopper> red molld
00:29 <Grasshopper> red mold even
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00:49 <winny> hmm, irc bot not gunna announce i ascended in zapm eh
00:51 <PavelB> good job
00:51 <winny> i think this makes my third
00:51 <PavelB> someone go write a livelogging patch for zapm
00:51 <winny> i took screenshots fwiw lmao
00:51 <winny> https://ptpb.pw/IPU7.png
00:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) received Magicbane from Anhur, on T:3354
00:59 <Grasshopper> grats Winny!
01:05 <winny> thx :3
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01:08 <PavelB> I still hope K2 adds PRIME someday
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01:42 <bug_sniper> Grasshopper, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImpossibleItemDrop
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01:43 <bug_sniper> PavelB, I hope so too
01:44 <bug_sniper> oh, actually, that drop makes sense
01:44 <bug_sniper> so it's a trope averted this time
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01:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) averted death, on T:5697
02:07 <Grasshopper> bug_sniper, Nethack actually check random death-drop item generated against monster size. If item is too big for the monster/corpse, it is ignored!
02:07 <Grasshopper> so there is some sense built in I guess
02:08 <Grasshopper> the potential for pudding farming dawned upon me one day when a black pudding (343) death-dropped a pair of iron boots, which seemed completely unbelievable.
02:10 <Grasshopper> now of course puddings don't death-drop anything :C
02:10 <Grasshopper> much less cockroaches
02:14 <bug_sniper> nice patch idea: sometimes, when you drop a ring down a sink, the black pudding will carry it when emerging
02:15 <Grasshopper> I've been collecting rings of polymorph and dropping them into sinks in 361.
02:15 <Grasshopper> then sitting on thrones (when produced) and hoping for a wish
02:16 <Grasshopper> I've sat on many such thrones so far, but alas no wish yet 
02:16 <Grasshopper> it can be convenient when they produce an altar, but I usually start dropping poly rings in the late game, so no real benefit there
02:17 <Grasshopper> however, if I could still farm puddings, that would be incredibly convenient
02:17 <raisse> lol, Quetz realised his mistake but he didn't have *exactly* the right thing
02:18 <raisse> that was literally the next sacrifice
02:20 <raisse> no-skill-yet syndrome :-(
02:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the wumpus of ChinWa, the former Initiate, on T:8949
02:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the tourist of Winsalot, the former Excursionist, on T:9058
02:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1502 points, T:2271, killed by a dwarf
02:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided class 'R', on T:9570
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03:16 <Grasshopper> I just got 50 blessed +6 darts from a trap in Gehennom
03:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the ghost of Winsalot, the former Excursionist, on T:10694
03:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:6967
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04:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the priest of Clarembaut IV, the former Priest, on T:13897
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06:26 <Grasshopper> r - 131 blessed poisoned rustproof +9 darts
06:26 <Grasshopper> hmm, more than I expected!
06:33 <aosdict> more than you will need, I suspect
06:39 <LarienTelrunya> !tell K2 bugfix update ready at the slex master branch: fixes the issue where some rings generated with an enchantment value that does nothing ;)
06:39 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya!
06:45 <Grasshopper> aosdict, indeed a lot more. I started with 556 +7 darts so was expecting more like 40-60 +9 or so
06:45 <Grasshopper> Am already done with polypiling and no power-pets to give +9 katanas to
06:55 <Grasshopper> "
06:55 <Grasshopper> Your silver dragon scale mail glows for a while.
06:55 <Grasshopper>  Your silver dragon scale mail suddenly vibrates unexpectedly."
06:55 <Grasshopper> oooooops
06:55 <Grasshopper> S - a blessed +7 silver dragon scale mail
06:56 <LarienTelrunya> luck of the grasshopper :D
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07:51 <jonadab> Hmm.  What does a chaotic Barbarian wish for in xnethack, with the Castle wand?  Assuming I have amulet of reflection but not MR or DSM.  Have Cleaver.  Have BoH, polycontrol, conflict.
07:58 <aosdict> GDSM sounds pretty good unless you want to go cloak+SDSM but that's two wishes.
07:59 <aosdict> xnh only has two new items which you probably don't particularly need to wish for.
07:59 <Grasshopper> so wish for GDSM
07:59 <Grasshopper> or... check the dragons first
08:00 <jonadab> My wand is (0:3), but I can always save the other wishes for emergencies.
08:00 <jonadab> Not feeling like I need very many things right now.
08:00 <Grasshopper> there might be a gray guarding the stores that wants to drop scales
08:00 <jonadab> True.
08:01 <Grasshopper> or even a CoMR
08:01 <jonadab> There are also still two dragons at Ludios, but they're orange and black.
08:01 <Grasshopper> MR is pretty essential
08:01 <jonadab> Yeah.
08:01 <jonadab> I'm at a depth where MR would be really nice to have.
08:02 <jonadab> Also should maybe identify all my scrolls that might potentially be geno.
08:02 <Grasshopper> anything below lv8 makes MR nice to have, but you can always find a GWAWOD on lv1
08:02 <jonadab> I have reflection.
08:02 <jonadab> So wand of death is not an issue.
08:02 <jonadab> But things like L can be.
08:03 <Grasshopper> so lv8 then (shapechanger monsters)
08:03 <Grasshopper> or poly traps
08:03 <jonadab> MR would also free up a ring slot (currently I'm wearing polycontrol).
08:04 <jonadab> Will need some way to deal with Juiblex' Swamp.  Used boulders at Medusa and Castle, but...
08:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 34568 points, T:7212, killed by a gnomish wizard's force bolt
08:04 <Grasshopper> jumping
08:04 <jonadab> Don't have jumping.
08:04 <jonadab> Do have speed boots.
08:05 <jonadab> Actually, _might_ have unidentified jumping boots, I guess I could go try on all the boot types at my stash and try to #jump.
08:05 <Grasshopper> that's a good idea
08:05 <jonadab> I always forget jumping is a thing.
08:06 <Grasshopper> I once played a barbarian poking a mind flayer with a polearm while jumping
08:06 <Grasshopper> and barbs can't even get basic in polearm lol
08:06 <Grasshopper> which is ridiculous, as wizards can
08:06 <jonadab> hiking, mud, snow, buckled, all unidentified.
08:07 <jonadab> I have an oilskin cloak currently.
08:07 <jonadab> So no use for polearms really.
08:07 <Grasshopper> they really are a niche case weapon
08:07 <jonadab> Mud boots are jumping.
08:07 <Grasshopper> and barbies need a make-over
08:08 <aosdict> jonadab: I recently tried that and ended up with cursed -1 fumble boots.
08:08 <jonadab> aosdict: I have altars for checking for curses.
08:08 <jonadab> Fumble boots don't _autocurse_, do they?
08:08 <Grasshopper> aosdict, you never pet-test or altar-test?
08:09 <Grasshopper> I've had times where I've thrown a fortune cookie at a nearby puppy, just so I can see what gear it walks on
08:09 <aosdict> Grasshopper: I was stuck on the wrong side of the castle and was too lazy to go all the way back through the valley.
08:10 <jonadab> Also, my main stash has a thiefstone keyed to it, but the thiefstone is cursed (was generated that way), so I'm keeping it bagged for now.  Could uncurse or even bless it, but I don't have a lot of water yet, so I will probably wait on that.
08:10 <aosdict> All thiefstones generate cursed.
08:10 <jonadab> Ah.
08:10 <[Demo]> what do cursed ones do?
08:10 <[Demo]> send ur shit random places?
08:10 <jonadab> The stuff goes to the keyd location, but the stone goes with.
08:10 <[Demo]> yikes
08:10 <aosdict> Once you uncurse it, you will start being able to rub items on it without the stone teleporting.
08:11 <jonadab> Oh, you can rub it on an item to send the item?
08:11 <[Demo]> does blessed work better than uncursed?
08:11 <jonadab> That's useful.
08:11 <aosdict> [Demo]: Yes, it will additionally let you send gold and gems (including glass).
08:11 <[Demo]> ah
08:11 <jonadab> Don't care about gold at this point.
08:11 <jonadab> And gems, eh, I have a bag.
08:11 <[Demo]> gotta buy cocaine and protection
08:11 <aosdict> jonadab: Useful for Ludios though :-)
08:11 <jonadab> I've started getting the "selfless generosity" message from temples.
08:12 <[Demo]> how do you key a thiefstone to a location?
08:12 <jonadab> So I am not bothering to pick up gold any more.
08:12 <jonadab> [Demo]: You don't, it's generated that way.
08:12 <jonadab> I chose this stash location because of the thiefstone.
08:12 <[Demo]> its generated keyed to somewhere?
08:12 <jonadab> It's in a closet, which is nice.
08:12 <jonadab> And at depth 15, which is a pretty reasonable depth for a main stash.
08:12 <[Demo]> so it just picks a random place?
08:13 <jonadab> Not on a level with an altar, but there's a temple one level up.
08:13 <Grasshopper> Demo__, the place is random but fixed
08:13 <jonadab> Cross-aligned, but I'm done sacrificing now that I've got Cleaver.
08:13 <Grasshopper> [Demo], ^
08:13 <[Demo]> whats the range on the levels where it can key to?
08:14 <aosdict> [Demo]: When it generates on a level, it searches for vaults, then closets, on that level. If it can find one it keys itself there.
08:14 <Grasshopper> jonadab, Cleaver is v nice in 361
08:14 <aosdict> It's always keyed to the level where it generates.
08:14 <[Demo]> oh good that makes more sense
08:14 <Grasshopper> MOAR overcharged increase damage rings
08:14 <jonadab> Right, you #name the thiefstone when you ID it, with the level number.
08:15 <jonadab> Grasshopper: Heh.
08:15 <Grasshopper> MOOOOOOAAAAARRRR
08:15 <jonadab> Haven't identified increase damage.
08:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 26026 points, T:2236, killed by an iguana
08:15 <jonadab> I had a game once where increase damage was edible, and I had several wands of polymorph...
08:15 <Grasshopper> I can feel my barbarian berserker rage coming on
08:15 <jonadab> I ended up eating I think six rings of increase damage?
08:15 <jonadab> Something like that.
08:15 <Grasshopper> jonadab, wow
08:15 <jonadab> Ended up being able to one-shot a lot of things.
08:16 <Grasshopper> imagine that with Cleaver
08:16 <aosdict> jonadab: Formally IDing the thiefstone will tell you where it's keyed to.
08:16 <jonadab> I think I was dual-wielding Excalibur + longsword that game, IIRC.
08:16 <aosdict> Level and coordinates.
08:16 <Grasshopper> one-shotting 3 dudes in front of you
08:16 <jonadab> Where it would really rock, though, would be with multi-fire.  Ranger with increase damage FTW.
08:17 <Grasshopper> with enough increase damage, nothing can really hurt you
08:17 <Grasshopper> as you blow it away before it gets close enough
08:17 <Grasshopper> ranger ftw indeed
08:17 <Grasshopper> but getting through planes is hard as missile weapons are not great there after Earth
08:18 <jonadab> aosdict: It's type-identified from when it triggered, and I #named it D15.
08:19 <aosdict> Yeah that works too.
08:19 <Grasshopper> jonadab, for my wiz Cleaver totally rocks in places like thronerooms, coming up to see Orcus, being mobbed in general
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08:19 <jonadab> Sure, Cleaver is useful.
08:19 <jonadab> As a Barbarian, I consider it my endgame weapon.
08:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 16379 points, T:635, killed by an exploding large box
08:20 <jonadab> I do also have a silver javelin, which I may use for silver-haters.
08:20 <Grasshopper> a warning that pets/peacefuls are in the way would be nice
08:20 <jonadab> Though I originally picked it up for use against rust-causing things, back before I got Cleaver.
08:20 <Grasshopper> barbies can throw up to 2 spears
08:20 <jonadab> Oh, right, I forgot 3.6 Cleaver attacks peacefuls.  Will have to watch that in the Valley temple.
08:20 <Grasshopper> think that includes javelins, but you need a stack
08:21 <jonadab> Although, I mean, I could probably take the priest at this point, and I don't need him alive (have several temples).
08:21 <Grasshopper> you can always recycle that Ludios gold through several priest then
08:21 <jonadab> The javelin can just be wielded against silver-sensitive monsters.  Silver damage is so high, losing the base weapon damage is irrelevant.
08:23 <Grasshopper> wish up some silver spears
08:23 <Grasshopper> throw them
08:24 <Grasshopper> or javelins if that works for barbs
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08:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 34304 points, T:2022, killed by a rope golem
08:32 <rld> <@Winsalot> jonadab: Fourk is pretty fun
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08:38 <rld> <@Winsalot> hmmm
08:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:27179
08:40 <Grasshopper> @winsalot still enjoying 4k?
08:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 24240 points, T:1401, killed by a gnome queen
08:43 <rld> <@Winsalot> Kinda 😃
08:43 <rld> <@Winsalot> Now I have tame green baby dragon from somewhere on DL
08:43 <rld> <@Winsalot> DL2*
08:43 <rld> <@Winsalot> No clue where it came from 😃
08:43 <Grasshopper> they take lots of care to grow into big dragons
08:44 <Grasshopper> came from an egg you picked up, I suspect
08:44 <rld> <@Winsalot> I will care for them if they care for me
08:44 <rld> <@Winsalot> WHen it grows up I will probably die from its breath explosion 😃
08:44 <rld> <@Winsalot> I already had experience with dragon pets in FIQhack
08:44 <rld> <@Winsalot> Didnt end well
08:44 <Grasshopper> ha, at least it'll be fun
08:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha) killed the ghost of groovejumper, the former Initiate, on T:2221
08:48 <rld> <@Winsalot> Found dagger named Vladsbane
08:49 <rld> <@Winsalot> I imagine it will be like -5
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08:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 27347 points, T:2402, killed by a giant mimic
09:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 41172 points, T:6168, killed by a yeti
09:23 <rld> <@Winsalot> !tell jonadab: something happened to my save. It told me to contact you 😃
09:23 <Beholder> Will do, @Winsalot!
09:24 <Grasshopper> !ping
09:24 <Beholder> Grasshopper: Pong! 
09:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Naganadel (Arc Ang Fem Cha) killed Ruggo the Gnome King, on T:6602
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09:33 <rld> <@Winsalot> !tell jonadab: nvm, automatic save recovery worked
09:33 <Beholder> Will do, @Winsalot!
09:34 <LarienTelrunya> it is nonetheless a bug and the developer should try to fix it :P
09:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 32802 points, T:3036, killed by a blue jelly
09:41 <rld> <@Winsalot> How is he gonna fix it if he doesnt know how to recreate it? ;-P
09:41 <LarienTelrunya> well that's why you give context when doing a bug report, of course!
09:41 <rld> <@Winsalot> That bug happened when I was supposted to die.
09:41 <rld> <@Winsalot> It saved my life
09:41 <rld> <@Winsalot> Now its my turn to repay my debt
09:42 <LarienTelrunya> since I'm a developer myself, I know that developers love it if bug reports include information, error messages and stuff
09:42 <rld> <@Winsalot> and save the bug's life from jonadab
09:42 <rld> <@Winsalot> (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ ☜(ﾟヮﾟ☜)
09:48 <rld> <@Winsalot> Hm, why can scurriers eat through walls but can't eath through floor?
09:48 <LarienTelrunya> you have to turn on autodig, then they can via >
09:49 <rld> <@Winsalot> oh
09:49 <rld> <@Winsalot> Are quantum mechanics any different in 4k?
09:49 <rld> <@Winsalot> Do they convey any good resistances?
09:50 <LarienTelrunya> dunno
09:50 <rld> <@Winsalot> Cos info about them says ? in resistances conveyed section
10:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha) received advice from The Oracle, on T:3741
10:21 <oh6> mail
10:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] lel (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 192 points, T:457, killed by a boulder
10:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] lel (Fen Pha Mal Law), 673 points, T:700, killed by a monster (eloi), while reading a cursed book
10:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:21228
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11:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 48057 points, T:8260, killed by an orc shaman's force bolt
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11:23 <Mandevil> !dump
11:23 <Beholder> Mandevil: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-17 13:28 EDT: of course I seriously tried Splicehack, I seriously try every new variant at least once as it comes out ;) But I saw enough of the variant in that one run to know that I prefer slex.
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12:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Naganadel (Arc Ang Fem Cha), 226696 points, T:16632, killed by a monster (blood bringer)
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12:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 6036 points, T:1655, killed by a monster (soldier ant)    Go Team Ant!
12:35 <Lymia> can has real teleport pls
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12:38 <rld> <@Winsalot> wtf, difficulty 30 monster in mines:11 ?
12:39 <rld> <@Winsalot> And there is alos peaceful arch-lich
12:39 <rld> <@Winsalot> seems something terrible has happened here
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12:54 <rld> <@Tone> Polymorph trap most likely
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12:55 <ais523> FIQ: where's the official repository for the 3.6 curses patch?
12:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] fusillade (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 5613 points, T:9101, quit
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13:02 <rld> <@Winsalot> Ok what the fuck, there is another ancient silver dragon. In mines:4 this time
13:05 <rld> <@Winsalot> Oh, my dragon learned how to breathe poison. Cool
13:08 <rld> <@Winsalot> Oh my, so scurriers actually gain nutrition by eating walls?
13:08 <rld> <@Winsalot> Fourk just got so much better
13:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) defeated the Dark One, on T:19329
13:31 <[Demo]> ...that is how eating walls works!
13:49 <K2> hi
13:49 <Beholder> Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought
13:49 <Beholder> K2: Message from hothraxxa at 2018-05-19 11:53 EDT: bug in the hardfought splicehack scoreboard: games appear twice
13:49 <Beholder> K2: Message from AntiGulp at 2018-05-19 20:19 EDT: I just looked at the stats, and I'm definitely nerfing mystic scarabs. There is no way something of level 7 should have -20 AC.
13:49 <Beholder> K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-20 06:39 EDT: bugfix update ready at the slex master branch: fixes the issue where some rings generated with an enchantment value that does nothing ;)
13:49 <K2> oh damn, mystic scarabs had an ac of -20?
13:49 <K2> no wonder i couldnt hit it lol
13:50 <Lymia> phew
13:50 <Lymia> Surivived a room full of U before I found a decent weapon
13:51 <LarienTelrunya> yay :)
13:52 <K2> hmm that is weird
13:52 <K2> splicehack scoreboard
13:52 <Lymia> @le?brain eater
13:52 <Beholder> brain eater (h) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 6 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 20 | Generates: special | AC: 10 | Attacks: 1d3 weapon physical, 2d1 tentacle drain int | Alignment: -8 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, flies, seeinvis, infravisible
13:53 <K2> !tell hothraxxa thanks for the heads up. fixed it
13:53 <Beholder> Will do, K2!
13:53 <Lymia> ... is that a decent pet?
13:54 <LarienTelrunya> Lymia: at your current depth it's probably not that powerful
13:54 <Lymia> It does evolve, it seems
13:54 <LarienTelrunya> its brainsucking attack will help, but a level 2 pet will have little starting HP
13:54 <Lymia> (I dropped down a shaft, actually going up)
13:54 <Lymia> if I can keep it alive, I guess it can turn into a mind flayer
13:54 <LarienTelrunya> it also has only 6 speed
13:55 <LarienTelrunya> I mean, figurines are cheap, so it might still be worth a try
13:56 <Lymia> Blessing it probably won't be :(
13:56 <Lymia> ... then again
13:56 <Lymia> can't you eat them for int
13:56 <LarienTelrunya> nah, huge waste of holy water IMHO
13:56 <LarienTelrunya> yeah
13:56 <LarienTelrunya> so if it comes out non-tame, kill it (while making damn sure that Marija doesn't get to the corpse first!!!) and eat its corpse :P
13:58 <rld> <@Tone> "plural of "fox" is not "foxen" "
13:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) defeated Medusa, on T:20373
13:58 <rld> <@Tone> All of these pluralization errors that nethack has had are entertaining to me
13:59 <LarienTelrunya> Tone: viri, neverwases and girl who looks like her name was Fannies are no errors :P
13:59 <rld> <@Tone> I like the "slouse of pizza" one too
13:59 <Lymia> NowL
13:59 <Lymia> Let's see if I can keep it alive :D
14:00 <Lymia> @le?mind sucker
14:00 <Beholder> mind sucker (h) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 9 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 40 | Generates: special | AC: 7 | Attacks: 1d5 weapon physical, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 2d1 tentacle drain int | Alignment: -8 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, flies, seeinvis, infravisible
14:00 <FIQ> lwon
14:00 <Beholder> FIQ: Message from @Winsalot at 2018-05-18 14:03 EDT: Hi, I have very important request for FIQhack: please implement polymorph in polyinit mode. I have a cockatrice character with polymorphitis intristic and I really need that intristic to work in order to play FIQhack like it is slex 😃
14:00 <Beholder> FIQ: Message from @Winsalot at 2018-05-19 10:30 EDT: seems like starting a game in polyinit as Elemental causes segfault. At least if you start as fire or air elemental that is monk elf male.
14:00 <Lymia> @le?mind flayer
14:00 <Beholder> mind flayer (h) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 90 | Generates: special | AC: 5 | Attacks: 1d8 weapon physical, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 2d1 tentacle drain int | Alignment: -8 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, flies, seeinvis, infravisible
14:00 <FIQ> pingpong
14:00 <Lymia> so
14:00 <Lymia> Speed fixes itself at least
14:00 <FIQ> @Winsalot the request isn't as hard as you think
14:00 <FIQ> umm
14:00 <FIQ> *as easy
14:00 <FIQ> will also look at the elemental thing
14:02 <Lymia> Do psychic blasts only feel "quite soothing" when you see the source?
14:02 <LarienTelrunya> they only feel soothing if the one emitting them isn't hostile
14:02 <LarienTelrunya> however, I think you don't always get the "soothing" part even if the source is tame
14:02 <Lymia> ah
14:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] fusillade (Ran Gno Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 7 crossbow bolts on an altar, on T:3938
14:04 <Lymia> I guess I'm going down
14:04 <Lymia> I got shafted to dlvl 8 twice :(
14:04 <ais523> I think you probably get the "soothing" only if it would actually have hit you for damage (if not for the source being peaceful)
14:04 <ais523> that's a mix of memory and guesswork, though, rather than knowledge
14:06 <Lymia> it isn't even trying to fight :(
14:06 <LarienTelrunya> need to find low-level monsters, it won't engage things that are much higher level than itself
14:09 <Lymia> Where the faq am I
14:09 <LarienTelrunya> it's the bridge where Gandalf fought the blarog :P
14:11 <Lymia> and there's monsters in the lava huh
14:13 <rld> <@Winsalot> FIQ: ah, I already had my hopes up when I read the @ post
14:13 <LarienTelrunya> Lymia: yes, be careful, the I-class monsters can drown you in lava which is an instadeath if you don't resist fire and will burn a lot of items in your inventory if you are resistant
14:14 <Lymia> and there's two holes in the middle rip
14:14 <Lymia> Yaeh
14:14 <Lymia> byebye friend h :(
14:14 <rld> <@Winsalot> !who
14:14 <Beholder> @Winsalot: [hdf-us] Lymia [slex] hothraxxa [spl] sk1j [fh] mtf [fh] fusillade [nh361] 
14:14 <Beholder> @Winsalot: [hdf-eu] No current players
14:14 <Lymia> Where's rld linking anyway
14:15 <ais523> Lymia: there's a #hardfought channel on the roguelikes discord
14:15 <Lymia> ah
14:15 <ais523> that's what it's copying here (and vice versa)
14:15 <Lymia> town branch, yay
14:16 <Lymia> Maybe I can find decent armor there
14:16 <Lymia> (Why don't shopkeeps object when you go in their locked shops, as long as you don't break the door)
14:17 <Mandevil> !tell Tangles It seems there's a bug in curses where DYWYPI inventory display _and_ dumplog do not identify some items. See this recent game: https://tinyurl.com/yahlx937 Hothraxxa reports similar behaviour.
14:17 <Beholder> Will do, Mandevil!
14:17 <K2> Slash'EM Extended updated (us and eu)
14:18 <LarienTelrunya> thx K2!
14:18 <hothraxxa> k2: i was using a +5 unihorn at expert and could not hit the mystic scarab 9 out of 10 times, i'd guess
14:18 <Beholder> hothraxxa: Message from K2 at 2018-05-20 13:53 EDT: thanks for the heads up. fixed it
14:18 <hothraxxa> heh. np
14:19 <K2> yeah i was a valk with excalibur
14:20 <K2> miss miss miss miss miss
14:20 <K2> i was already low on hp from a previous encounter, that didnt help
14:20 <hothraxxa> i don't think it would matter
14:20 <hothraxxa> they're fast and they hit fairly hard
14:20 <K2> yup
14:21 <K2> i wa slike 'oh look a blue grid bug... OW'
14:21 <hothraxxa> i was ac -17 and it still nibbled down to about 25 hp before i could kill it
14:21 <hothraxxa> nibled me
14:21 <hothraxxa> +b
14:21 <hothraxxa> bah
14:21 <K2> lol
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14:23 <Mandevil> hothraxxa: What variant has that?
14:24 <hothraxxa> splicehack
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14:25 <hothraxxa> splicehack is like slex to a certain degree
14:25 <K2> splicehack has quite a few new monsters
14:25 <K2> hmm i wouldnt go that far ;)
14:25 <hothraxxa> i would
14:25 <FIQ> splicehack is closer to slash'em than slex
14:25 <hothraxxa> maybe. i never played slash'em
14:25 <K2> you can encounter cows
14:25 <K2> mooo
14:25 <LarienTelrunya> splicehack is nothing like slex (says the developer of the latter)
14:25 <LarienTelrunya> #notakitchensinkvariant
14:26 <hothraxxa> example. i was headed up to the general store to do some price-id. there was some some of mushroom in the corridor. i hit it and it exploded doing (i think) fire damage
14:26 <rld> <@kritixilithos> whats a kitchen sink
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14:27 <hothraxxa> however there was another behind it, and it exploded too. a chain reaction all the way back to the store
14:27 <FIQ> LarienTelrunya: both have sinks
14:27 <LarienTelrunya> FIQ: by that logic vanilla is also a kitchen sink variant :P
14:27 <FIQ> no
14:27 <FIQ> vanilla is not a variant
14:27 <hothraxxa> so when i get to the store, the shk starts zapping me because apparently i caused him some hurt
14:27 <FIQ> aosdict and I talked about this
14:27 <hothraxxa> wtf? how could the base be a variant?
14:27 <FIQ> hothraxxa: maybe he was in a bad mood
14:28 <LarienTelrunya> vanilla is a variant of unnethack :P
14:28 <hothraxxa> i don't even know what kind of mushrooms i hit :(
14:29 <bhaak> what version is vanilla?
14:29 <FIQ> hothraxxa: fire shrooms
14:30 <LarienTelrunya> bhaak: 3.4.3, obviously
14:30 <bhaak> nethack is a variant of hack
14:30 <LarienTelrunya> one day you made unnethack, and then the vanilla nethack devteam came along and took unnethack's codebase to make vanilla 3.4.3 :P
14:30 <hothraxxa> LarienTelrunya: splicehack and slex both have numerous new but unnecessary monsters that you don't know wtf they're there for. enough said
14:30 <bhaak> so 3.6.x is a variant of vanilla, Q.E.D.
14:30 <hothraxxa> fiq: where do they come from?
14:31 <FIQ> the dungeons
14:31 <FIQ> honestly I don't know
14:31 <FIQ> I never played SpliceHack
14:31 <hothraxxa> oh. when you said that i thought he borrowed them
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14:32 <hothraxxa> ah. it's a volatile mushroom
14:32 <Lymia> What do you call a variant that's half a kitchen sink
14:32 <hothraxxa> i don't know how to parse this code well enough
14:33 <bhaak> LarienTelrunya: maybe I should kick out all slash'em variants in junethack. after all, it's called juNETHACK, not juSLASH.EM :-D
14:33 <LarienTelrunya> dude don't shock me like that :P
14:33 <FIQ> jufiqhack
14:34 <Lymia> that room scary
14:35 <bhaak> FIQ: btw, what's up with those *64 fields in fiqhack? wouldn't it have been easier replacing SEP with \t ?
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14:36 <rld> <@kritixilithos> bhaak: brb creating variant called "junethack"
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14:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) genocided class 'h', on T:22288
14:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) genocided class 'L', on T:22289
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14:37 <rld> <@Tone> huh, I didn't know about this 361 aklys buff
14:38 <Lymia> hmm
14:38 <Lymia> Killer bee pet
14:38 <Lymia> @le?killer bee
14:38 <Beholder> killer bee (a) | Lvl: 1 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 18 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: -1 | Attacks: 1d3 sting drain str | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies, poisonous
14:38 <Lymia> o
14:39 <FIQ> bhaak: And ruin previous xlog lines?
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14:39 <bhaak> FIQ: it's a poor parser than can't deal with changing SEP on the fly. the junethack parser can :-D
14:40 <FIQ> bhaak: How should parsers know what to do if an xlog has different seperators thorough the file?
14:40 <bhaak> FIQ: currently, there are only 2 in common use
14:40 <FIQ> bhaak: Does this possibly depend on the amount of : characters?
14:40 <FIQ> Because you realize that can be manipulated, right?
14:40 <Mandevil> bhaak: NHS supports the 64 fields :)
14:42 <bhaak> FIQ: you can look which separator gives you the more meaningful result.
14:42 <bhaak> Mandevil: what for? :)
14:42 <FIQ> bhaak: I just think it
14:42 <FIQ> 's dumb to change seperator on the fly
14:43 <Mandevil> bhaak: It prefers them to the plain fields.
14:43 <bhaak> FIQ: you can change it in a major version and adjust the xlogfile manually. if there's a tab in the existing code, you can safely discard that during conversion
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14:46 <Lymia> I should probably use the weapon more to train the skill :D
14:46 <Lymia> For when I actually need it
14:46 <LarienTelrunya> sounds like a good idea
14:50 <Lymia> moloch's a scrub
14:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha) killed the invisible Linus the Cat, on T:7305
14:55 <Lymia> but
14:55 <Lymia> difficulty 2 boss?
14:55 <LarienTelrunya> yeah it's a pretty easy boss
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14:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 34781 points, T:7434, killed by a bullet
14:59 <Lymia> I continue to underestmate how scary machine guns are ._.
14:59 <LarienTelrunya> they're a lot less scary if you have a good shield
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15:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed Greased Fixed The Master Key of Thievery", on T:21375
15:09 <Lymia> How viable is using firearms yourself in slex?
15:09 <Lymia> Ammo doesn't seem that common :c
15:10 <LarienTelrunya> it's very useful later on
15:10 <LarienTelrunya> ammo can mainly be found in barracks; you want to use your guns on powerful foes like the demon lords
15:11 <Lymia> .. also
15:11 <Lymia> What weapon class are chains
15:11 <LarienTelrunya> flail
15:20 <Lymia> Which firearms are the best in slex??
15:21 <LarienTelrunya> they have different purposes, but generally assault rifles and heavy machine guns are very useful for killing monsters quickly
15:21 <LarienTelrunya> theoretically arm blasters are also good, but the ammo is kinda rare
15:21 <LarienTelrunya> also, Tariru one-shotted Dispater (one of the demon lords) with a BFG once :D
15:24 <bhaak> that's btw a freaky niche genre
15:24 <bhaak> the apocalypse happens and humans fight demons with modern technology
15:25 <LarienTelrunya> but there were guns in the middle ages! granted, they weren't reliable, but muskets and stuff existed :P
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15:25 <K2> als Doom/DOOM II
15:25 <K2> ala
15:25 <K2> bleh
15:27 <ais523> crossbows were the real equivalent of guns from that era, though
15:28 <ais523> given that they were actually portable and capable of killing someone 
15:28 <LarienTelrunya> IIRC there was some king (Lionheart?) who got killed by a peasant's crossbow bolt and it infuriated the nobility
15:28 <ais523> middle ages guns were more primitive than muskets, it was basically "fill a barrel with gunpowder and hope to drop it somewhere near the enemy, then run away before it blows up"
15:28 <ais523> cannons weren't worthwhile as they were more likely to explode than actually hit the enemy
15:31 <Lymia> So I should stockpile bullets, huh :p
15:31 <LarienTelrunya> yes, but don't carry them in open inventory; if something throws a grenade, bullets in your open inventory can be destroyed
15:31 <Lymia> Does this hurt you
15:32 <LarienTelrunya> no, only the grenade explosion itself does, but you'll lose all those precious bullets
15:32 <Lymia> Noted :D
15:35 <Lymia> How nasty is Sandra's Secret Weapon
15:36 <LarienTelrunya> if you have the saber skill, it would be worth using in the early game, but I fear mahou shoujo don't have it
15:37 <Lymia> oh
15:37 <Lymia> separate skill
15:37 <Lymia> My pet took it :D
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15:37 <LarienTelrunya> ah, good :) she won't be affected by the aggravate monster or amnesia
15:38 <bhaak> trebuchets OTOH
15:38 <Lymia> Crystal Scale Mail is... bleh
15:39 <Lymia> Very good, doesn't interfere with spellcasting and too heavy to slip through doors/bars with
15:39 <Lymia> Not sure :D
15:39 <LarienTelrunya> what??? dude it's one of the best armors because it doesn't hinder spellcasting!
15:39 <LarienTelrunya> wield a weapon to #force those stupid doors :P
15:39 <LarienTelrunya> or if you need to get into a shop, take off and drop it
15:41 <Lymia> Isn't there dragon scale mail?
15:41 <LarienTelrunya> yes, but good luck getting one early
15:41 <LarienTelrunya> if you do, it might be better than crystal plate mail; the CPM has more AC but the DSM will give some property depending on its color
15:42 <Lymia> also
15:42 <Lymia> Taking off armor is a bit of an issue as a wisp :D
15:42 <Lymia> Or, rather
15:43 <Lymia> Getting it back on
15:43 <LarienTelrunya> ah, yeah
15:48 <Lymia> Where the heck is the door in this layout :(
15:48 <LarienTelrunya> there isn't necessarily one
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16:03 <Lymia> What is superscrolling
16:04 <LarienTelrunya> a very nasty interface screw that you most probably don't want
16:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) received Magicbane from The Lady, on T:29200
16:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Wis Fem Cha), 16706 points, T:6115, killed by a monster (Ms. Lerignac, the shopkeeper)
16:19 <Lymia> well then
16:19 <LarienTelrunya> !gt shopkeeper
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16:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 29077 points, T:869, killed by a gnome king
16:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) defeated Medusa, on T:29817
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16:27 <Lymia> I don't even know how I set the ammo shop off :D
16:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 21915 points, T:434, killed by a gnome lady
16:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:29905
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16:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) received Frost Brand from The Lady, on T:31627
16:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 29164 points, T:841, killed by a gnome queen
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16:58 <rld> <@mtf> coming back up
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16:58 <MTF> we back?
16:59 <rld> <@mtf> We are, great
16:59 <rld> <@Tone> yep
17:04 <rld> <@Tone> Hi #hardfought, I just finished a review of all noteworthy changes that were made between vanilla 3.6.0 and 3.6.1.
17:04 <rld> <@Tone> I've archived the video here so people making the transition can use it as a reference:  https://www.twitch.tv/videos/263630151
17:04 <rld> <@Tone> YouTube link to follow
17:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:32203
17:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +3 speed boots", on T:32204
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17:51 <ais523> Evil Variant: the Castle chest is /always/ trapped
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18:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law), 7217 points, T:11696, killed herself with her bullwhip
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18:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 28664 points, T:1180, killed by a giant bat
18:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] fusillade (Ran Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13004
18:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] fusillade (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 21933 points, T:14299, killed by a spotted jelly
18:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ';', on T:34285
18:46 <riker> !whereis mtf
18:46 <Beholder> riker: [hdf-us] mtf [fh]: (Tou Hum Mal Neu) T:34286 The Quest level: 15
18:46 <Beholder> riker: [hdf-us] mtf [sp]: (Archeologist human Mal Law) T:15 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1
18:52 <riker> FIQ: what's the "Ins" to send mail mean?
18:52 <riker> insert key?
18:57 <rld> <@mtf> @rikersan yea that's the Ins key, or the 0 key on the numpad
19:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Arc Hum Fem Law) killed the ghost of groovejumper, the former Novice, on T:1404
19:00 <riker> MTF: welp, I got neither of those
19:00 <riker> (insert or numpad 0)
19:02 <rld> <@mtf> you can always rebind it
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19:04 <riker> MTF: that takes effortttt
19:04 <riker> but actually I'll do that
19:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) defeated the Master of Thieves, on T:35838
19:08 <rld> <@mtf> dude PYEC + MKOT is super boss
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19:12 <riker> MTF: why not wear slow digestion 24/7?
19:15 <riker> @mtf ^
19:15 <rld> <@mtf> hah I should be, just lazy
19:15 <rld> <@mtf> and I have a ton of food
19:15 <riker> FIQ: suggestion: allow people to peek inside containers hwile speccing?
19:15 <riker> doesn't seem to be possible
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19:27 <rld> <@mtf> god late game weight management is such a bitch
19:27 <rld> <@mtf> I exploded my ring of carrying T.T
19:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] ranlhach2 (Con Orc Mal Cha), 73 points, T:315, killed by a goblin
19:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 600 points, T:2176, killed by a gnome lord
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19:45 <rld> <@mtf> hhmm... I have 4 wishes and nothing to spend them on
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19:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] ranlhach2 (Con Orc Mal Cha), 7450 points, T:4848, killed by a soldier ant
19:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] ranlhach2 (Con Orc Mal Cha), 20 points, T:101, killed by a grid bug
20:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] ranlhach2 (Con Orc Mal Cha), 212 points, T:577, killed by an electric shock
20:01 <K2> @Tone awesome, thanks for sharing ;)
20:06 <rld> <@Tone> np
20:06 <rld> <@Tone> It's on YouTube now too https://youtu.be/3i4F4L7BLik
20:07 <K2> \o/
20:11 <PavelB> Does zapm count as a NetHack variant?
20:11 <[Demo]> no its not nethack based
20:11 <[Demo]> hell its C++
20:11 <[Demo]> that doesnt mean its not fun
20:12 <[Demo]> and that it doesnt try to emulate a lot of the nethack controls
20:12 <PavelB> It plays more like NetHack than SLEX does :P
20:12 <[Demo]> im not sure about that
20:13 <Tangles> probably fair to say it was 'inspired by' nethack, but it's not based on the code at all.
20:13 <Beholder> Tangles: Message from Mandevil at 2018-05-20 14:17 EDT: It seems there's a bug in curses where DYWYPI inventory display _and_ dumplog do not identify some items. See this recent game: https://tinyurl.com/yahlx937 Hothraxxa reports similar behaviour.
20:13 <[Demo]> you're either very right or very wrong and im not sure :P
20:13 <K2> its in the nethack vein
20:13 <K2> well
20:13 <[Demo]> its a nethack-like
20:13 <K2> roguelikes vein
20:13 <K2> but in the future
20:13 <K2> heya Tangles
20:13 <PavelB> (give PRIME)
20:14 <Tangles> Hi K2.
20:14 <Tangles> I'm... not really here right now.
20:15 * K2 nods
20:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) defeated Vlad the Impaler, on T:39256
20:35 <Grasshopper> ... and so it was written in the Book of Grasshopper
20:35 <Tangles> woo! Grasshopper!! :)
20:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] ranlhach2 (Con Orc Mal Cha), 5328 points, T:4917, killed by a white unicorn
20:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] cassiopeiastar (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1573 points, T:2840, killed by an orc-captain
21:04 <rld> <@Tone> 'grats Grasshopper 😄
21:08 <K2> woooo Grasshopper!
21:08 <K2> !booze Grasshopper
21:08 * Beholder delivers Grasshopper a tall glass of Stolichnaya vodka, distilled by Announcy at 446 Kelvin.
21:12 <Grasshopper> thanks K2! <hic>
21:12 <Grasshopper> thanks @tone :D
21:12 <K2> ;)
21:14 <Grasshopper> so I started a new wiz, she seems pretty crap with only 17 INT, wand of opening, potion of confusion, identify scroll, blessed enchant weapon scroll, and the "detect food" spell wheeeeee
21:14 <Grasshopper> but she ain't that bad.
21:15 <Grasshopper> read the blessed ?oEW, staff +3. Found another ?oEW, staff +4 now
21:15 <Grasshopper> wand of opening proved useful for opening a few chest full of good shit, and now I have a lockpick
21:16 <Grasshopper> has ring of teleport control, so that will come in handy soon
21:16 <Grasshopper> found wand of speed monster, so now she moves faster than most bad dudes
21:17 <Grasshopper> found co-aligned temple near entrance to mines, so looking even better
21:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 317 points, T:1222, killed by a large mimic
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21:24 <Grasshopper> I'm enjoying pummeling gnomes with my +4 kill-stick
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21:30 <Grasshopper> Tangles, despite all that starting goodness, I nearly got myself killed anyway by a rolling boulder trap HP:2(21)
21:30 <K2> hi
21:30 <Beholder> Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought
21:30 <Tangles> !streak Grasshopper 
21:30 <Beholder> Tangles: [hdf-us] Grasshopper Max[nh361]: 6 (2017-03-17 - 2017-05-14). Current[nh361]: 1 (since 2018-05-02).
21:30 <Beholder> Tangles: [hdf-eu] Grasshopper Max[nh361]: 1 (2018-05-16 - 2018-05-21)(current).
21:31 <K2> !who
21:31 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] k2 [nh13d] krm26 [fh] mtf [fh] cassiopeiastar [nh361] 
21:31 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-eu] Grasshopper [nh361] 
21:31 <Grasshopper> hoping to find some more raisse bones and Poes
21:31 <K2> hmm
21:43 <K2> !setmintc 0
21:43 <Beholder> K2: Min reported turncount for k2 set to 0
21:43 <K2> !setmintc
21:43 <Beholder> K2: Min reported turncount for k2 removed.
21:44 <rld> <@mtf> anybody know where I"m supposed to enter the wiz tower in FH / XNethack?
21:44 <rld> <@mtf> wiki says "bottom floor", but I'm not sure if that means the floor with the vibrating square?
21:44 <K2> hmm thats not right
21:45 <K2> wiz tower entry is just like any other
21:45 <K2> there sthe real one and fake one (mini-moat)
21:45 <rld> <@mtf> but the fake wizard towers have been removed
21:45 <K2> not in xnh
21:45 <rld> <@mtf> hmm
21:45 <rld> <@mtf> maybe fiq tweaked the patch
21:46 <rld> <@mtf> As part of this change, Fake Wizard's Towers has been removed. They can spawn as ordinary special rooms, however, but will never have a portal. Instead, you enter the Wizard's Tower from the bottom floor. is what the wiki says
21:46 <rld> <@mtf> I have one as a ordinary special room, and it has no portal
21:46 <K2> for FIQhack I dunno, I havent played it seriously since last summer, and a lot has changed since
21:47 <rld> <@mtf> no kidding
21:50 <rld> <@mtf> oh I'm an idiot, it's literally on the bottom floor of the wiz tower
21:50 <rld> <@mtf> the entrance that is
21:50 <rld> <@mtf> no more portal inside
21:50 <[Demo]> I'm an idiot too but for other reasons lol
21:50 <rld> <@rikersan> demo
21:50 <rld> <@rikersan> you're drunk
21:50 <rld> <@rikersan> go home
21:51 <rld> <@rikersan> [demo] dnh isn't supposed to make both demo and lamashtu rigth
21:51 <rld> <@rikersan> like, as lairs
21:51 <rld> <@rikersan> since this game has both and it makes me sad
21:52 <K2> heh
21:52 <rld> <@rikersan> like, I've already pissed off asmo
21:52 <rld> <@rikersan> I don't need this shit
21:52 <[Demo]> yeah only one brine
21:53 <rld> <@rikersan> fuck
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21:53 <rld> <@rikersan> ok then
21:53 <rld> <@rikersan> tha'ts my fault I was messing with level gen earlier
21:53 <rld> <@rikersan> I think
21:53 <[Demo]> haaaaa
21:54 <rld> <@rikersan> also, I feel like gating could be nerfed a bit in dnh, what do you think?
21:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:41627
21:54 <rld> <@rikersan> I've killed baalezwubwubwub and juiblex already from gating
21:55 <[Demo]> Isn't it the same as vanilla?
21:55 <rld> <@rikersan> I think so
21:55 <rld> <@rikersan> but vanilla doesn't have quite as nasty demon lords
21:55 <rld> <@rikersan> or nearly as many swarms
21:55 <rld> <@rikersan> (those were both from belial and fierna's lair)
21:56 <[Demo]> it's meant to be harder to scale with power increase
21:57 <rld> <@rikersan> eh, I'd be in favor of buffing all demons (imp, horned devil, marilith, pit fiend, i don't care) in exchange for less gating
21:57 <rld> <@rikersan> it's stupid easy to get stuck in summon swarms as well, with 2-3 casters summoning fodder at your face
21:58 <[Demo]> just don't let it happen
21:58 <[Demo]> easy
21:58 <[Demo]> my balance issue in dnh solution should be when shits op just counterbuff other shit
21:59 <[Demo]> ndnh*
21:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) defeated the Wizard of Yendor, on T:41906
21:59 <rld> <@rikersan> oh yeah I'll go back to that
21:59 <rld> <@rikersan> (playing acu)
22:00 <[Demo]> one day acu will be playable
22:00 <[Demo]> it has so much content I think
22:00 <rld> <@rikersan> cough nerf the fucking spirits cough
22:00 <[Demo]> the post astral levels are cool
22:00 <[Demo]> and u get op as shit
22:00 <[Demo]> get good
22:00 <rld> <@rikersan> did you fix balam yet
22:00 <[Demo]> uhh
22:00 <[Demo]> his ai issue?
22:00 <rld> <@rikersan> lol
22:01 <rld> <@rikersan> a
22:01 <rld> <@rikersan> ya
22:01 <[Demo]> fux no u think I have any idea how to do that or care enough to?
22:01 <[Demo]> that would take like half an hr
22:01 <[Demo]> do u know what I can do in half an hr?
22:01 <rld> <@rikersan> get more drunk?
22:01 <[Demo]> I could like make and eat a meal or some shit
22:03 <aosdict> @mtf I am planning on doing the same thing as fiqhack w.r.t. removing fake wizard towers, but haven't gotten around to it.
22:03 <rld> <@rikersan> @mtf  feel free to ignore friend request
22:03 <rld> <@rikersan> accidental click
22:03 <rld> <@mtf> s'all good, I friended anyway 😃
22:03 <rld> <@rikersan> ah cool
22:03 <rld> <@mtf> aos: yea I think I like it a lot better
22:03 <[Demo]> fake wizard tower needs a proper decoy
22:04 <[Demo]> some sort of evil shit in there
22:04 <aosdict> because who really wants more gehennom levels that are mostly maze
22:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] cassiopeiastar (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1414 points, T:2775, killed by a poisonous corpse
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22:04 <aosdict> [Demo]: The plan was to still allow fake wizard towers to randomly generate as Gehennom rooms, but just none of them have portals.
22:04 <[Demo]> or a fake wizard branch
22:05 <[Demo]> with a fake zoo and a fake rodney towe
22:05 <[Demo]> and instead of the wizard of yendor it's the wizard of os
22:05 <[Demo]> oz
22:06 <[Demo]> I might put a wizard of Oz branch with artifact flying boots in ndnh
22:06 <rld> <@rikersan> dewit
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22:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "7 blessed candles", on T:42249
22:10 <bouquet> hi
22:10 <Beholder> Hello bouquet, Welcome to #hardfought
22:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 50816 points, T:7258, killed by a bolt of fire
22:11 <winny> hey
22:11 <Beholder> Hello winny, Welcome to #hardfought
22:13 <aosdict> the wizard of oz would not be a spellcaster and would be rather weak physically as well
22:13 <[Demo]> and peaceful
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22:19 <winny> is there a way to edit config files via sftp?
22:20 <K2> on this server, no
22:20 <winny> mainly the vi editor seems to be missing some of the nicer features of vi
22:21 <winny> maybe they're vim features
22:21 <K2> hmm
22:21 <winny> i thought 20 a # ESC is a vi thing but maybe not
22:21 <K2> i was going to just stick with rnano initally, but Elronnd had asked for vi
22:22 <winny> tbh i find vi a lot nicer than nano, but i use emacs (with relatively default keys) primarily
22:23 <winny> this leads me to an idea: instead of offering two top level keys to open a cfg editor in rnano or vi, one could make one top level key, and it'll open a submenu where the user selects an editor explicitly (so it's more verbose what they're doing)
22:23 <[Demo]> make them use ed
22:23 <winny> ed is good
22:23 <winny> i prefer ed to nano
22:24 <winny> gnu ed especially
22:24 <winny> actually, ed might be good to add :^)
22:25 <K2> thats not a bad idea
22:25 <winny> OPTIONS=windowtype:curses
22:25 <winny>  * Line 18: Window type curses not recognized.  The only choice is: tty.
22:25 <winny> hmmm
22:25 <K2> so something like 1) editor options and that takes you to a submenu
22:25 <K2> not every variant supports curses
22:26 <winny> that was after pressing v
22:26 <[Demo]> only harmful ones do
22:26 <winny> i assume that's the client with those features
22:26 <winny> NetHack 3.6.1-hdf
22:26 <K2> winny this is my cfg, try these settings - https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/nh361/k2.nh361rc
22:26 <K2> curses bits are at the top
22:27 <winny> i got the stuff from the reddit announcement btw
22:27 <K2> huh
22:27 <K2> lemme look at your cfg...
22:28 <K2> try adding the symset=IBMgraphics to your cfg
22:28 <winny> but im gunna double check
22:30 <winny> Unix NetHack Version 3.6.1 - last build Sat Apr 28 19:13:16 2018. (5e1a650f41e0fcf34a5b0a61e8b44422d022f029)
22:30 <K2> aaahhhh
22:30 <K2> you're still on 3.6.1 vanilla
22:30 <winny> is that the wrong version
22:30 <K2> i didnt want anyone to lose any saves
22:30 <winny> hmm, so i have to finish the current game?
22:30 <K2> that game will have to end forst before you go over to 361-hdf
22:31 <K2> first
22:31 <winny> kk
22:31 <winny> seems reasonable
22:32 <winny> oh what, dgamelaunch has its own vi build? 0.0.6+dgamelaunch 1.5.1
22:32 <Tangles> winny: The "virus" editor that's included with dgamelaunch is very limited... 
22:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:42255
22:32 <winny> is that virus?
22:32 <Tangles> Yes
22:32 <winny> jw what not use rvi?
22:33 <winny> some reason ^g doesn't always show the filename and line
22:34 <winny> argh lol, can't easily comment out the lines i added: :7,63s/^/#/ does nothing
22:35 <Tangles> virus is distributed with dgamelaunch, and is known to be moderately safe, for all its limitations and quirks.  TBH we have just not put any time towards investigating better options.
22:35 <winny> tbh it's great there is nano come to think of it
22:37 <Tangles> yeah K2 is a keen nano user.  I personally prefer a good implementation of vi.  If there's others who want this, we may look at it.
22:37 <winny> if i wanted to help on that front, what should I do? I could set up dgamelaunch and look into getting say mg and ed installed, and maybe replace virus with rvi
22:37 <winny> red* rather
22:37 <winny> and mg if there is a rmg (it's a simple emacs editor)
22:39 <Tangles> Yeah the key thing is not being able to escape to a shell (though $SHELL is dgamelaunch, so worst case you just end up with a nested instance of dgl), and not being able to read/write files other than the one specified on the command line.
22:42 * K2 hugs nano
22:42 <K2> hmm
22:42 <K2> there isn't enough vodka in my vodka
22:43 <Tangles> !vodka K2
22:43 * Beholder passes K2 a tumbler of SKYY vodka, conjured by Izchak at 14 degrees Celsius.
22:43 <K2> \o/
22:43 * winny passes K2 a absolut bottle
22:44 <K2> ooh yeah
22:44 <K2> i remember when Ketel One was considered top shelf
22:44 <K2> now it barely rates a s a call
22:44 <K2> usually considered a well brand now
22:45 <K2> everybody wants greygoose
22:45 <winny> tbh i usually go for smirnof if i have money, or cheaper fleishmanns or whatever i don't
22:45 <K2> i've been on a rum kick the last couple years, but i go back to vodka every so often (like tonight)
22:46 <winny> my friends thought it was strange to drink spiced rum on the rocks
22:46 <winny> pls
22:46 <K2> hah
22:46 <K2> i like cpt morgans cannon blast on the rocks
22:46 <K2> or neat
22:47 <K2> if i'm feeling frisky i'll have the kraken
22:47 <K2> but that is kinda harsh
22:53 <winny> fair
22:57 <Grassy> lol, my favourite drink for getting warmed up at a bar is double vodka (something nice) with lime (real lime, not that yucky cordial), ice and soda
22:58 <K2> that's almost a gimlet
22:58 <Grassy> maybe with a cold beer as chaser, if I want to get started quickly
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22:59 <Grassy> What's a gimlet? A cross between a gidget and a hamlet?
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23:01 <Grasshopper> I fell asleep about 5-6 times before finally getting to start reading this dull spellbook
23:01 <Grasshopper> and then it turned out to be "very difficult", so I yawned and put it away
23:02 <K2> Grasshopper: a gimlet is vodka and lime juice, either on the rocks or served like a martini
23:02 <Grasshopper> one advantage I have on the EU server is it is just me right now
23:02 <Grasshopper> K2 ah, well I'll have a double gimlet on the rocks thanks with just a splash of soda and a little bit of mint
23:03 <Grasshopper> but has to be real lime juice, not the bottle crap cordial
23:04 <K2> oh... you didnt mention mint before
23:04 <Grasshopper> You are the one that made it a cocktail!
23:04 <K2> that makes it a mojito made with vodka instead of rum
23:04 <Grasshopper> and that is just my personal preference/request whatever
23:04 * K2 loves mojito's
23:05 <Grasshopper> a good bartender would just understand
23:05 <K2> heh
23:05 <K2> i was a bartender for about 7 yrs
23:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) defeated the high priest of Moloch, on T:42526
23:05 <Grasshopper> cocktails are just fancy names for mixed drinks anyway
23:05 <K2> and those names will change for exact same drink depending on your location
23:06 <Grasshopper> I did many years in bar work, was head bartender for a while at one club
23:06 <Grasshopper> one of my favourite late-night cocktails was a "milkshake"
23:07 <K2> mmmm
23:07 <dtype> also citrus + booze is the base for some massive number of drinks
23:07 <K2> !whereis k2
23:07 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] k2 [un]: (Ranger gnomish Fem neutral) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1
23:07 <Grasshopper> 2 nips each of scotch, Tia Maria, Kahlua, Baileys and something else I can't recall
23:07 <K2> !whereis k2
23:07 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] k2 is not currently playing on this server.
23:08 <K2> ok good
23:08 <K2> man that sounds good
23:08 <Grasshopper> put into a milk shake tumbler and topped up with milk, spun
23:08 <Grasshopper> frothy goodness
23:09 <Grasshopper> so after my bar was shut at 4am, I'd go to the local bar still open and drink that, before playing pool with the bored security staff
23:09 <K2> !whereis k2
23:09 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] k2 is not currently playing on this server.
23:09 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-eu] k2 [un]: (Priest human Mal neutral) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1
23:09 <Grasshopper> waiting until the buses started again in the morning so I could get home!
23:10 <K2> !whereis k2
23:10 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] k2 is not currently playing on this server.
23:10 <K2> yay
23:10 <K2> heh those were the days
23:10 <K2> where i grew up, 2am was closing time
23:10 <K2> still is most places
23:10 <Grasshopper> yeah, pretty hard toll really
23:10 <K2> UnNetHack updated (us and eu)
23:10 <K2> ^^ bhaak
23:10 <dtype> margherita, whiskey sour, tom collins, mojito, screwdriver, greyhound, lemon drop, daiquiri..... all the same drink
23:10 <Grasshopper> this place would close at 10am for 2 hours
23:11 <K2> dtype: nooooo they are not
23:11 <dtype> yep
23:11 <K2> you sir are fake news
23:11 <dtype> citrus + liquor
23:11 <dtype> very minor variations from there
23:11 <K2> negatory
23:11 <dtype> same drink
23:11 <K2> you cant lump everything into 'liquor'
23:12 <K2> the main ones are very distinct
23:12 <dtype> but a single 80 proof bottle, a single bottle of citrus, and mix, and you can make something passable at all of those drinks
23:12 <K2> you sir are alternative facts
23:12 <K2> so, good day to you sir
23:13 <Grasshopper> basic spirits like vodka and gin taste great with almost any kind of fruit
23:13 <dtype> <---- former professional alcoholic, now retired because he almost killed himself with a bottle+ per day habit
23:13 <Grasshopper> or aromatic (thus the mint earlier)
23:13 <K2> ok that makes sense... atthat point it is all the same
23:13 <dtype> yeah, mojito maybe the one drink in there where I lied because the mint is important
23:14 <K2> you are no longer fake news
23:14 <dtype> but garnish/aromatic not important to the rest
23:14 <dtype> add gimlet, add about 200 other drinks
23:15 <K2> for our non-american friends here - in america, if you dont agree with what someone says, its now apparently acceptable to claim that they are fake news instead and you can substitute your own reality with what's actually real
23:15 <Grasshopper> dtype, at some point to me it is all just "lolly water"
23:15 <dtype> citrus hides much
23:15 <dtype> K2: agreed
23:15 <K2> :/
23:16 <K2> i should incent a drink called 'fake news'
23:16 <K2> invent
23:16 <dtype> basically, pick a normal 80 proof bottle, pick a citrus, and if you mix them, there's a drink named after it, probably a popular one
23:16 <Grasshopper> like a kid with the cordial bottle
23:17 <Grasshopper> So, some fool hobgoblin came at me with Dragonbane
23:17 <Grasshopper> didn't help against my force bolt though
23:17 <dtype> most popular "citrus" being just sour mix, followed by orange juice, lemon juice...
23:18 <Grasshopper> well, technically it is a kind of reflection now
23:18 <dtype> lime juice
23:18 <dtype> although lime juice is just fancier version of sour mix drink
23:18 <Grasshopper> squeezed lime
23:18 <dtype> tequila and sour mix == margherita. tequila + lime juice == fancy margherita. 
23:19 <Grasshopper> like, where the bartender cuts up a lime and squeezes it in
23:19 <dtype> well lime juice + sugar + water, which == fancy sour mix
23:19 <dtype> i mean, I'm not saying that fresh lime isn't better than sour mix, but saying doesn't change the drink *category*
23:19 <Grasshopper> no, I just won't want to drink it
23:20 <dtype> 98% of the time you order a margherita at a place, you're getting sour mix and tequila, and if you're lucky a tiny bit of triplesec (also just citrus sugar water)
23:21 <dtype> sorry, triplesec == grain alcohol citrus sugar water
23:22 <dtype> but the whole dekuypers and mr boston line of stuff is just grain alcohol, sugar water, food coloring, and koolaid
23:22 <Grasshopper> yes, a fancy brand of that is Cointreau
23:22 <Grasshopper> you can taste the difference when triple sec is subbed in
23:23 <Grasshopper> Mostly I don't care, although if making them for myself I'd buy the good stuff
23:25 <dtype> but if you make simple syrup, fresh squeezed lime juice, fresh squeezed lemon juice, have soda water, and buy 3-4 different kinds of liquor, you can have a party and make 20 different major drinks (maybe need a few garnishes)
23:25 <dtype> orange juice in there
23:26 <Grasshopper> Yes! Principle of every good cocktail party
23:26 <Grasshopper> just add ice and blenders
23:27 <dtype> but goes to liquor + citrus == many many many drinks
23:27 <Grasshopper> anyone wants anything fancy, they bring the special stuff
23:28 <Grasshopper> need milk/cream stuff for those kind of cocktail, and some milky/coffe/chocolaty liquors
23:28 <dtype> most people will destroy themselves with that setup, because they don't realize how watered down and sugary sour mix is compared to making it fresh
23:29 <Grasshopper> that's why I insist on fresh, other stuff tastes wrong
23:29 <Grasshopper> but yeah, good bars will make them well (but prob still use triple sec, oh well it is a lot cheaper)