00:08 -!- Zanza has joined #hardfought 00:08 So I think I figured out what I really don't like about non-nummpad movements. Its that my fingers are off home row so whenever I go to type something like #loot I get #kiit 00:09 I just adjusted my typing patterns outside NetHack 00:10 [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 32327 points, T:2233, quit, in explore mode 00:10 interesting technique. Not sure I have that kind of dedication 00:12 In 3.6.1, you can at least do "o." to loot 00:22 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 00:23 oof 00:23 AntiGulp: Message from K2 at 2018-05-16 19:45 EDT: hothraxxa had a sefault in splicehack, game wont load now and crashes immediately. backtrace of coredump - http://termbin.com/qwum 00:23 AntiGulp: Message from K2 at 2018-05-16 19:51 EDT: his game will load fine in normal tty mode (originally happened in curses mode) 00:23 AntiGulp: Message from K2 at 2018-05-16 22:50 EDT: whereis file has wrong info - whereis right now shows me as lvl 12 on the quest, but I am actually lvl 12 gnomish mines 00:23 AntiGulp: Message from K2 at 2018-05-16 23:08 EDT: disregard whereis issue 00:23 AntiGulp: Message from PavelB at 2018-05-16 23:09 EDT: 8:07 PM <25B100+ aosdict> PavelB: next time you see AntiGulp, badger him to create a splicehack wiki page 00:23 AntiGulp: Message from PavelB at 2018-05-16 23:09 EDT: consider yourself badgered 00:23 the storm has broken! 00:24 Hi AntiGulp 00:24 Hi! 00:24 Hello AntiGulp, Welcome to #hardfought 00:25 I'm basically on for like five minutes to say that I'm aware of issues, but can't do much this week. Real life is crazy at the moment :/ 00:26 !whereis 00:26 K2: !whereis - finds a player in the dungeon. 00:26 !whereis k2 00:26 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [spl]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:2045 The Dungeons of Doom level: 2 00:26 as long as it all gets in before junethack 00:27 !whereis k2 00:27 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [spl]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:2137 The Gnomish Mines level: 3 00:27 ok thats fixed 00:27 I think it should? This segfault is super confusing, it's happening in a piece of code that I never touched. Something with shopkeeper billing? Hmmmm. 00:29 its from curses 00:30 he was playing in curses mode when it happened 00:30 reloaded game in tty, no issues 00:30 http://termbin.com/qwum <---- Tangles so you're aware 00:31 K2: As far as I can tell, its some sort of issue in curses with doname and shopkeeper billing. I'm going to try to replicate it when I have time 00:32 (which is unfortunately like at least three days from now) 00:33 easy solution - quit work 00:33 :P 00:33 :P if only 00:33 Speaking of, I have to disappear again to sleep. Hopefully by the next time I reappear I'll be less stressed and full of debugging knowledge. 00:34 o/ 00:34 no worries. gnite AntiGulp 00:34 Nite all! 00:34 Having a real job doesn't sound fun, not looking forward to it 00:35 [hdf-us] [spl] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1486 points, T:2965, killed by a will-o'-the-wisp 00:35 Right now my boss pays me hourly and basically lets me show up whenever to fit with school and homework and such 00:36 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *poof*] 00:36 gnite all 00:36 cya 00:37 My kitten just stole a rock from a shop and the shopkeeper doesn't even want to buy it back. 00:42 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:42 ._. accidentally unweilded my sword long enough to train my barehanded skill 00:43 K2: pushed some fixes, glass can now be shatterproof and is very sharp, tweaked some materials generation 00:45 I'd pull but I haven't figured out how to preserve my save when doing so yet 00:45 > I) a +0 pair of paper low boots (being worn) 00:45 stuff like that is much rarer but still possible in newest commits 00:45 Would you say ^^ has any purpose at all or is it just worthless if it's made of paper 00:45 just imagine they're papier mache 00:46 Off the top of my head the only armor piece that can be paper and still give an AC boost is studded leather. 00:46 Do boots give protections from any traps? 00:46 anyway, got to go 00:46 I'm considering if it's worth keeping them given they take up space 00:46 Aww, cya 00:51 > It is not so easy to open this tin. You succeed in opening the tin. 00:51 > It smells like kittens. 00:51 D: 00:52 Why would you tin kitten meat 01:04 because you couldn't stand the idea of cremating your puss? 01:05 I just quaff id'd a potion and am now hallucination 01:06 700s 01:06 good stuff 01:07 if you've got a unicorn horn, try #dipping it first. It will clear (to water) blindness, hallu and confusion 01:08 and turn sickness into juice 01:09 Nothing attacked me for the entire time I stood there and held s 01:09 if you have only 1 unihorn, try #dipping some useless junk (or even a useless magical tool) into potions first, to sort out polymorph 01:10 * PavelB is at DLVL 2 01:11 Uhh, *You have a strange feeling for a moment, then it passes.* has to be enchant/destroy armor for a scroll right? 01:11 I got that while wearing armor 01:12 no idea, search wiki for it 01:13 I rarely read-ID scrolls 01:13 Mm 01:13 Seems that's what detect food does if there is no food 01:14 that's another reason why detect food sux 01:15 at least if it was "create food" and gave you a random food item (anything from a pear to a food ration), then that would actually be useful 01:18 detect food/gold are both worthless imo 01:20 gold detection is v good for finding traps, if read while confused 01:20 and the portals when in the planes/endgame, of course 01:21 detect food is literally worth less than the paper it is written on 01:21 (because you have to go to the bother of blanking it, therefore it is worth less) 01:22 but not worthless 01:34 !ping 01:34 Grasshopper: Pong! 01:35 !who 01:35 PavelB: [hdf-us] Zanza [nh361] 01:35 PavelB: [hdf-eu] Katakota [nh361] Grasshopper [nh361] 01:35 This is the first time i've seen more people on hdf-eu than hdf-us 01:35 Although I guess that just means I'm up later than usual 01:47 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 01:52 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:01 !tell aosdict I noticed that when monsters die and have multiple drops, the items are all the same material. Like the hill orc I just killed just dropped 4 wooden things. IDK if it's a coincidence or a bug or intended. 02:01 Will do, PavelB! 02:02 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:09 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 02:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 02:11 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:12 -!- Pavel_ has joined #hardfought 02:16 -!- Pavel_ has quit [Client Quit] 02:20 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 02:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 02:25 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 02:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:41 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 03:01 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:13 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:23 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 03:44 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:48 -!- Zanza has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:48 -!- Zanzabar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:49 -!- Zanzabar has joined #hardfought 03:49 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:08 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:21 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:49 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 04:56 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:01 -!- Dewzmint has joined #hardfought 05:04 K2: That backtrace... it looks similar to an issue we ran into with dNethack and curses a while back. Something to do with setworn() calling update_inventory() when stuff in the inventory hadn't been initialised properly. Did it happen when restoring from save? 05:05 ah yes... I see dorecover and restgamestate, so I'm going to say yes. 05:05 just need to remember how it got fixed last time. 05:07 yes, picked it :) 09:39 <+hothraxxa> i was just trying to restart the game i saved this morning 05:09 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:19 -!- Goreval has joined #hardfought 05:19 !ping 05:19 Grassy: Pong! 05:22 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 05:22 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:22 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 05:23 -!- Goreval has quit [Client Quit] 05:25 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:50 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 05:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 05:53 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:01 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 06:09 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:16 !tell AntiGulp Hothraxxa's crash can probably be prevented by putting the call to update_inventory() inside "if (!restoring)" at the end of the setworn() function in worn.c 06:26 Will do, Tangles! 06:27 !tell AntiGulp That same code exists in vanilla, so I'm not sure if it's unsafe there as well. I've let the devteam know. 06:27 Will do, Tangles! 06:30 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:30 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 06:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 06:34 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:36 You know what guys? 06:36 Pre 2008-03-19 entries in NAO xlogfile don't contain 'turns' field. 06:37 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 06:40 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 06:41 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:47 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:56 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:58 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:03 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 07:04 Mandevil: damn 07:05 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:05 -!- stenno is now known as Guest728 07:07 xNetHack updated (us and eu) 07:10 -!- Guest728 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:11 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:16 borek@nhs-dev:~/nhdb/logs$ grep -v starttime nao.nh.343.log | wc -l 07:16 549528 07:16 This is how many games would be added. 07:22 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Arc Ang Mal Law), 30318 points, T:2808, weregreenslime 07:24 <@PsyMar> So, we'd have to filter out old games from shortest/longest turncounts 07:24 <@PsyMar> that's easy if you just set turncount = 0 07:24 <@PsyMar> for those games 07:24 <@PsyMar> or NULL if possible 07:24 <@PsyMar> well, "easy" 07:24 <@PsyMar> I haven't seen your code 07:24 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Camaxtli, on T:3212 07:26 <@PsyMar> I need 8 ascensions for my NAO ascension count to pass my NAO killed by a jackal count 07:26 <@PsyMar> it's ahead of everything else but quit and escaped 07:28 <@PsyMar> if I were going for unique deaths i'd have a good start with scorpius' poison, pestilence's poison, killed by famine all on there 07:28 <@PsyMar> oh and killed by asmodeus, the one time I didn't have cold res 07:29 <@PsyMar> also one player ghost got me :/ 07:31 @PsyMar I've just finshed test loading the database with complete NAO 3.4.3 xlogfile. 07:31 <@PsyMar> oooh 07:31 nhdb=# select count(*) from games; 07:31 count 07:31 --------- 07:31 3583226 07:32 -!- Zanzabar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:32 -!- Zanzabar has joined #hardfought 07:33 <@PsyMar> check the low turncount page? 07:33 <@PsyMar> it needs to filter out 0s 07:33 I have loaded the database, not generated the pages. 07:34 That will require some work. 07:34 <@PsyMar> oh man, who was speedycat7. Maud or Eidolos? 07:34 BilldaCat 07:34 <@PsyMar> oh wow 07:34 <@PsyMar> I think I knew that but forgot 07:35 <@PsyMar> does a wand of cancellation unpolymorph you? 07:35 The code is on github anyway. 07:35 No. 07:36 <@PsyMar> in 343? 07:36 <@PsyMar> What do you want to zap? [agm-orKLNQRWZ or ?*] In what direction? You return to elven form! You can see again. 07:36 <@PsyMar> and all maud's wands are cancelled 07:36 In any version I know of. 07:36 Wait? 07:37 Seriously, that seems odd. 07:37 <@PsyMar> https://s3.amazonaws.com/altorg/dumplog/Maud/1291595692.nh343.txt 07:37 <@PsyMar> he had to polymorph back to put on his HooA 07:37 Oh my. 07:37 Yes, cancellation DOES revert you. 07:37 Unless you have unchanging. 07:37 <@PsyMar> all his non-cancellation wands, i mean 07:37 <@PsyMar> aha 07:37 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Cancellation#Cancelling_yourself 07:39 <@PsyMar> wait, shouldn't self-cancellation as a clay golem kill you, at least if unchanging? 07:39 <@PsyMar> I wonder if that got fixed in 3.6 07:39 <@PsyMar> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Source:NetHack_3.4.3/src/zap.c#line2252 07:39 <@PsyMar> nope, it did not 07:40 <@PsyMar> maybe I should bugrep it 07:41 For clay golems it seems to just give that message and then do nothing? 07:44 <@PsyMar> I should wiztest and verify 07:44 <@PsyMar> but yes 07:52 <@PsyMar> argh 07:52 <@PsyMar> curses.h: no such file or directory 07:53 <@PsyMar> there, found it... and it's already freakin' installed 08:03 [hdf-us] [nh361] Tangles (Rog Hum Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:21467 08:03 \o/ 08:03 *groan* 08:04 Is it still lame in 3.6.1? 08:04 no idea. 08:04 I wasn't looking for a gift... I already have stormbringer. 08:09 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 08:09 i think wielding trollsbane in 3.6.1 gives you 25 con 08:10 This is pretty strange.... the only broken page is Conducts. 08:10 K2: I do recall that from some variant recently-ish. 08:10 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Arc Ang Mal Law), 18129 points, T:2565, killed by a monster (hunter bee) 08:10 ...but not this one. 08:10 hmm 08:13 <@PsyMar> ok, I think I foundt he problem, it's in the linux hints file 08:14 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 308 points, T:1420, killed by a wand 08:14 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 47089 points, T:15585, killed by a magic missile 08:18 -!- Dewzmint has joined #hardfought 08:19 <@PsyMar> ok, I got curses-dev installed now :/ 08:19 <@PsyMar> libncurses was installed, but not libncurses-dev 08:19 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 86 points, T:447, killed by a wand 08:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 4406 points, T:6088, killed by a dwarf, while frozen by a monster's gaze 08:23 "You feel less hassled". I think that is a Troll not reviving because I'm wielding trollsbane. 08:23 Strange. 08:23 That message was associated with the Riders. 08:26 <@PsyMar> But with them not reviving. 08:26 True. 08:26 But you don't get this message when troll is not reviving because of other reasons. 08:26 <@PsyMar> I'll check the source real quick once this installation try ends 08:27 The "timeless" NHS seems to be doing well. 08:27 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 71 points, T:595, killed by a fox 08:27 <@PsyMar> now riders are "much" less hassled 08:27 There are only few minor tweaks I need to do. 08:27 <@PsyMar> src/do.c: You_feel("%sless hassled.", is_rider(mptr) ? "much " : ""); 08:27 Ah. 08:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:45 You read: "It must be Thursday. I never could get the hang of Thursdays.". :) 08:46 <@PsyMar> I proved the clay golem self-cancel issue on the latest git source, have sent in a bugrep 08:46 I wonder if that's coincidence. 08:46 That's just rumour, right? 08:47 <@PsyMar> that should be in the fortune.fal or maybe fortune.tru 08:47 <@PsyMar> or rumors 08:47 <@PsyMar> whatever it's called 08:48 Mandevil: it was on a gravestone. I think those are completely random. 08:49 In what sense "random"? 08:49 Is there additional source for these inscriptions? 08:49 Well, I guess there is. 08:49 Given the inscriptions in VoTD. 08:50 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:51 Well, I think I am basically done. 08:51 That was easier than I thought. 08:54 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:54 <@PsyMar> yay 09:05 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 09:15 -!- Zanza has joined #hardfought 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5787 09:20 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 09:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 09:22 !ping 09:22 Grassy: Pong! 09:23 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:23 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 09:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 09:27 Mandevil: the new data isnt on the NHS yet is it? 09:28 No. 09:28 Deployment will be quite long. 09:29 It's a lot of data. 09:29 The whole database needs a rebuild. 09:31 ok, thought so 09:31 its nice to see you say 'that was easier than i thought' :) 09:34 Czeh Republic vs USA in ice hockey starts in less than hour. 09:50 that feeling when you are blind from birth, it's turn 8500 and you haven't gotten mental acuity yet, a nymph stole your katana, all your armor, your wands, and one of the wands is a wand of striking, and it's on the loose zapping you 09:51 feels good 09:52 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 09:53 -!- Zanza has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53 Wow, Thoth is really cleaning out the garage here 09:54 -!- Zanza has joined #hardfought 09:54 hasn't got any Magicbanes left 09:54 well, after many many many saccings he finally gave me Magicbane a while back 09:54 had to hunt through the whole garage for the last one 09:55 [hdf-us] [nh361] Tangles (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:24208 09:55 now he's just tossing stuff out, like he's found Firebrand in a pile of junk and figures "Hey, that Grasshopper might be able to use this" 09:56 -!- Grassy is now known as Grassshopper 09:57 -!- Grassshopper is now known as Grasshopper 10:00 firebrand is great for smores 10:01 PavelB: If it was just one hill orc that dropped all wooden items, it's probably just coincidence. If you're noticing a trend, then perhaps something is wrong but I can't imagine what. 10:01 aosdict: Message from PavelB at 2018-05-17 02:01 EDT: I noticed that when monsters die and have multiple drops, the items are all the same material. Like the hill orc I just killed just dropped 4 wooden things. IDK if it's a coincidence or a bug or intended. 10:01 Yeah, I've been noticing it a lot 10:02 It might be that I just don't notice when it doesn't happen. 10:03 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:05 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law), 8156 points, T:11964, poisoned by a rotted hobgoblin corpse 10:05 !asc hypnotist 10:05 nooodle: [hdf-us] hypnotist has ascended 6 times in 25 games (24.00%): nh361:6 (27.27%) 10:06 It was super late yesterday so that was my last have but I'll keep track of what drops from monsters 10:06 there's just very little you can do in nethack when the rng is against you. 12k and no floating eye corpse. Like. 10:06 !lastgame hypnotist 10:06 nooodle: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hypnotist/nh361/dumplog/1526560087.nh361.txt 10:07 and i did kill a floating eye apparently 10:07 The only thing that should drop all wooden items is a wood golem. 10:10 How the hell you even survive blind? 10:11 I guess you cannot even buc test stuff, right? 10:12 the key is that potions of object detection can let you "see" the appearance of items 10:12 not being able to BUC test stuff isn't the end of the world. Also you can use pets for cursed items, and stacking rules for blessed 10:12 Only blessed? 10:12 i have gotten very far with blind, but just having rotten luck right now 10:12 Wait, how you keep pets when you can't avoid bumping into them? 10:12 bumping into pets doesn't upset them 10:13 Uh, and you pet test anyway? 10:13 but bumping into shopkeepers does, so, that's a really common death 10:13 You can't see pet moving over the item. 10:13 yes you can, because you can search and see their "I" symbol 10:13 and you can also see if they bring you something 10:13 God damn, that sounds horribly tedious. 10:13 only until you get your first mental acuity 10:14 How do you formally id stuff? 10:14 the problem is getting mental acuity before you get plagued by nymphs and quasits 10:14 So that you can "read" scrolls? 10:14 you can read a scroll you know the appearance of, even when blind 10:14 I recall either @Webmant or Deuce-Zen saying they didn't use a pet for zen games since it was too easy to kill. 10:14 also thrones 10:14 no, pets are quite good in blind games, but you need to control their location. Early on I try to lock my pet in a closet and come back for it when needed 10:15 at least, the furthest i got blind i had a pet titan and i was cleaning up 10:15 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 288 points, T:1245, killed by a dwarf, while sleeping 10:15 I had patience for 10 conduct game, but this seems to be way over my limit. 10:16 i should create a new account for this, but my asc% is already tanked by me sucking, so whatever 10:17 oh, also, you can learn a lot about monsters (before you get a stethoscope), by paying attention to messages, movement patterns, and even chatting with them 10:17 lichens touch you, shriekers shriek, if you "destroy" a monster then don't eat its corpse. etc 10:18 YANI: Extend the materials patch to scrolls. Metal scrolls would be flavored as engraved plates. They'd have the advantage of not getting lost when with water or fire, but the disadvantage is their inability to be wiped to write a new scroll. 10:18 if you find a slow moving thing that you can't #chat with, then it might be a gas spore, so early on you have to be careful about that 10:19 -!- Zanza has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:19 another weird tip is that even though you can't formally see the appearance of items, you *can* see the color of potions, and that can actually really help 10:19 that is, in the user interface. 10:21 inventory letter control is important. You can only #name items you know the appearance of, so I use my starting items to #name notes. Then I put non-cursed items counting upwards from A, B, C, ... and cursed items counting backwards from Z, Y, X, ... 10:21 and lower case for equipped items and unknown 10:22 Lol (the colors of potions) 10:23 ya, it's not guaranteed of course, but every little bit of information helps. 10:24 -!- Zanza has joined #hardfought 10:25 -!- Zanzabar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:29 PavelB: It's a nice idea in theory but would be incredibly annoying to implement properly. 10:35 heh... one of the castle soldiers had vorpal blade. 10:35 Did not even know until he was dead. 10:37 aosdict: Would it be possible to implement it as a separate item type that always drops as metallic? 10:39 have a decent run for my standards by cant find the exit at dlvl11 and dlvl10 spawned a jabberwock 10:39 but got a wand of death, can i oneshot him ? 10:40 PavelB: That would kind of remove the point of using object materials, wouldn't it? 10:41 Well they could be different metals 10:41 But yes 10:41 <@Tone> Tangles: huh I wonder where he got that 10:42 <@Tone> Death drop I guess? 10:42 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 10:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 10:42 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:43 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Arc Ang Mal Law), 3010 points, T:1655, killed by a kick in the nuts 10:43 nice 10:43 <@Tone> Dewzmint That should kill it if you hit 10:43 thx 10:44 <@Tone> Be careful because there's probably a polytrap to 10:44 !ping 10:44 Grassy: Pong! 10:44 <@Tone> That spawn is out of difficulty unless you are very high level 10:45 !booze 10:45 * Beholder throws Grassy a schooner of grog, distilled by Rodney at 95 degrees Fahrenheit. 10:45 !whiskey 10:45 * Beholder pours Grassy a cup of espresso, replicated by Izchak at 72 Kelvin. 10:45 Is there an easy way to get a ring of teleport control 10:45 Beholder doesn't understand what whiskey is 10:45 PavelB, wish for one? 10:46 !whiskey Grassy 10:46 * Beholder pours Grassy a shot of Johnnie Walker Red whiskey, prayed over by Announcy at 9 degrees Celsius. 10:46 I wish for tele control fairly often 10:46 I don't have a reliable source of wishes either :P 10:46 K2 knows what whiskey is 10:46 PavelB, try kicking all the sinks you can find 10:46 Good idea 10:46 each sink is guaranteed to give 1 ring 10:47 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 10:47 <@Tone> PavelB You can get a lot of rings through polypile 10:47 ? 10:48 <@Tone> Zapping piles of lesser rings with polymorph 10:48 Ah 10:49 Don't have that either 10:49 I'll go for the kicking sinks option 10:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:29415 10:51 Pick up ring in shop matching price of TP control so I can read an ID scroll -> immediately teleport out of the shop 10:54 b - a pair of mithril snow boots 10:54 iiinteresting... 10:54 eh they're probably just elven 10:55 I'm finding *a lot* of monsters that are dropping just wooden items 10:55 <@Tone> Why do you need Tele control? 10:56 Teleportitis 10:57 PavelB: What are these items' base materials usually? 10:57 "You feel a strange mental acuity." Now it's payback time. 10:57 These are boots, scimitars, orcish helms, etc. Keeping track of monster drops, it's not always the same material, but wood seems more common than it should be. 10:58 Probabilities should be: metallic stuff becomes wood 5% of the time, wood stays wood 80% of the time, elven non-clothy items are wood 80% of the time, elven helms are wood 10% of the time, bows are wood 80% of the time. 10:59 I am *not* getting wood in 1 in 20 items 10:59 I just got 7 wooden items that should be metallic in a row 10:59 Not the first time 11:02 lol, I just got a random teleport (with control) and I chose to landd where I guessed the vault was... 11:02 and I was right :D 11:02 ooo, Ludios 11:03 Aosdict: I found this on a dwarf king corpse. None of those wooden items should be made of wood, right? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qjbLmc1F/image.png 11:03 Maybe I can finally get some of that DSM I've always wanted 11:04 PavelB, looks like the orcs have been getting ideas from the elves 11:04 Also this nearby https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RwvWE4ye/image.png 11:04 not sure how comfortable a wooden dwarvish cloak would be 11:04 i cant find the exit in mines end fml 11:04 correct, a wooden dwarvish cloak should not generate 11:05 Dewzmint: the entrance is the exit 11:05 there's only an up stairway in mines end 11:05 Hmmm 11:05 mines end is the mines "end" 11:05 it returns the dwarvish_materials set of probs for non-clothy dwarvish items 11:05 !wl mines end 11:06 this ain't #nethack 11:06 er, wrong channel 11:06 aosdict: I can send you my save if you want 11:06 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Mines%27_End <-- here are the maps if you can't find the stairs 11:06 nah 11:06 thx 11:07 So having a bunch of wooden stuff *is* definitely a bug tho. 11:09 What commit are you playing on? (hit v) 11:09 Because I did shake up all this stuff twelve hours ago... 11:09 `b7fbb385e123c6de50aa53fd95a092705fe2e070` 11:09 ok so most recent 11:09 Yep 11:10 I kept my save from before the commit though. 11:11 ok am noticing dwarves get lots of wooden stuff to 11:11 too 11:15 GAH POLYMORPH TRAP 11:15 I LITERALLY JUST GOT SILVER DRAGON SCALE MAIL 11:15 well the silver dragon scale mail wouldn't have protected you 11:16 Well I polymorphed into a silver dragon 11:16 So I don't have the mail anymore 11:16 you still have the scales 11:17 Yeah but those have way lower AC 11:17 I think I found the bug 11:17 If I have a ring of polymorph control, will that keep me from changing back to my normal form? 11:17 no 11:17 rehumanizing isn't a "polymorph" 11:18 Aww 11:22 I accidentally teleported to my quest and died instantly 11:22 Feelsbadman 11:28 What level should I be before attempting the quest? 11:28 just threw away the best run i had til now Feelsbadman 11:29 its a learning experience i guess 11:29 <@Tone> PavelB 14 is more than enough usually 11:29 xnh lets you into the quest at 10 11:29 so does fh 11:29 <@Tone> It's more about equipment and ac/hp than level usually 11:29 but this is deliberately lower than most chars should probably attempt it at 11:30 by my suggestion that somehow fiq took seriously 11:30 it looks like me saying stupid shit has made an impact 11:30 Well I had Excalibur, silver dragon scales, +3 shield, +2 speed boots 11:30 Demo__: that's a genuine good idea though 11:30 <@Tone> Ah I only picked 14 because it's the minimum in vanilla 11:30 I think I was fine on equipment 11:30 well yeah, slashem does it too 11:30 but cause the xp scale is different I think 11:30 <@Tone> You'll get there again Dewzmint 😄 11:31 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:31 restricting it to 14 means that most chars will have to go grind for levels or farm wraiths to get up there 11:31 yeah that has always been a pain 11:31 grind dead temple ghosts 11:31 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:41 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:7358 11:42