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00:08 <aosdict> jonadab: The algorithm is: create a random object. If it _can_ match that golem's material (it's a valid combination), set its material to that and you're done. If it's invalid, just create the fallback specific object. Loop rn1(whatever) times.
00:09 <aosdict> Perhaps I should instead just reroll objects till one is found, instead of having a specific fallback. Then, perhaps base the limit of items on their total weight, or something.
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00:12 <PavelB> You should create a function that lets you generate a random object of a given material, and then you can apply to other things, not just golems
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00:13 <PavelB> Like e.g. a spell that transmutes an object into something else of the same material.
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00:20 <aosdict> Such a function would probably be what I described, not sure if I need it though.
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01:35 <Mandevil> FIQ: I am pretty sure I formally ided that dagger...
01:40 <PavelB> !who
01:40 <Beholder> PavelB: [hdf-us] No current players
01:40 <Beholder> PavelB: [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh361] 
01:40 <PavelB> !whereis raisse 
01:40 <Beholder> PavelB: [hdf-us] raisse is not currently playing on this server.
01:40 <Beholder> PavelB: [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh361]: (Arc Dwa Fem Law) T:3127 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1
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02:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] KungPOW (mighty) (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 52598 points, T:8869, petrified by punching a chickatrice barehanded
03:03 <rld> <@Winsalot> !tell FIQ corrupted save problem still persists, although automatic recovery seems to work. However, items from my other character are still in a chest, and opening it causes corrupted save.
03:03 <Beholder> Will do, @Winsalot!
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04:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] monksuck (mighty) (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "orb of fate", on T:4485
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04:26 <FIQ> !tell @Winsalot sorry, the bug will persist on older saves making magic chests unusable for saves where this bug occured, but it will not happen in the future
04:26 <Beholder> FIQ: Message from @Winsalot at 2018-05-14 03:03 EDT: corrupted save problem still persists, although automatic recovery seems to work. However, items from my other character are still in a chest, and opening it causes corrupted save.
04:26 <Beholder> Will do, FIQ!
04:27 <FIQ> Mandevil: sure you might have, but FIQHack ID will only ID BUC for blessed scroll, or skilled+ divination
04:34 <Mandevil> OMG.
04:34 <Mandevil> I don't think I like that.
04:34 <Mandevil> Can I define my own menucolors in FIQHack?
04:35 <FIQ> Unfortunately, you can't. It still uses NH4 setup
04:35 <FIQ> That asid, you can change BUC colorization
04:35 <FIQ> to various presets
04:36 <Mandevil> Is there plan for adding user-definable menucolors?
04:36 <FIQ> (mostly because I kept being annoyed over lack of uncursed color in NH4 and also didn't want to mess with others' preferences)
04:36 <FIQ> Yes, there is
05:25 <FIQ> !who
05:25 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-us] Mishka [nh343] Tangles [nh361] 
05:25 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh361] 
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06:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Mishka (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5992 points, T:4123, killed by a quasit
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06:28 <Mandevil> I have hidden but significant change to NHS -- if something breaks, let me know.
06:28 <Mandevil> I have MADE
06:59 <K2> ok
07:09 <jonadab> What's the worst that can happen?  What could possibly go wrong?  I'm sure it'll be fine.
07:11 <Mandevil> It can suddenly proclaim jonadab the best NetHack player of all time...
07:12 <jonadab> That would be hilarious.
07:13 <K2> :)
07:13 <K2> what all did you change Mandevil?
07:14 <Mandevil> I changed the module that provides "facts about NetHack".
07:14 <Mandevil> Ie. what variants are there, what roles/races/... they have etc.
07:15 <K2> i thinki found something that broke
07:15 <K2> zscores for a specififc variant
07:15 <K2> *specific
07:16 <Mandevil> which one?
07:16 <Mandevil> Ah, any of them.
07:16 <K2> maybe i'm wrong but i could have sworn it showed more data than just one column if you select a specific variant
07:17 <Mandevil> Yes, this is wrong.
07:17 <Mandevil> Quite odd bug.
07:20 <K2> dammit... someone ascended the first arc in fourk a week ago
07:20 <K2> i was semi close :/
07:21 <K2> ok off to work, see ya from there
07:25 <FIQ> !who
07:25 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-us] Eleven [nh361] 
07:25 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-eu] No current players
07:33 <bhaak> Mandevil: if you haven't already, you can stop the xlogfile fetcher for un.nethack.nu.  it has been shut down permanently
07:35 <Mandevil> I am only fetching http://un.nethack.nu/logs/xlogfile-eu and http://un.nethack.nu/logs/xlogfile-us
07:35 <Mandevil> Are both of these obsolete?
07:36 <Mandevil> And if yes, what replaces them?
07:36 <bhaak> yes, they will not change further
07:36 <bhaak> the public server has been shut down
07:36 <Mandevil> No more UnNetHack?
07:36 <bhaak> no more un.nethack.nu
07:36 <bhaak> it's still on ascension.run and hdf
07:36 <Mandevil> Hm, ok, thanks for the information.
07:38 <bhaak> I'm writing a post mortem, with archival information, some statistics, (lowest/highest turncount ascension, longest game, etc) to make it official.
07:38 <Mandevil> OK, fetching is now disabled.
07:39 <bhaak> just that you don't wonder when the webserver will be shut down as well. the front page has been disabled already but deep links still work.
07:40 <Mandevil> Should I make an archival copy of the dumplogs?
07:40 <bhaak> they are already up on https://ascension.run/history/unn/
07:40 <Mandevil> Great.
07:40 <Mandevil> I need to direct NHS there then.
07:45 <Mandevil> bhaak: You know what I miss?
07:45 <Mandevil> bhaak: UnNetHack's HTML dumplogs.
07:45 <Mandevil> bhaak: Those were lovely.
07:45 <bhaak> in general or on the archive site?
07:45 <Mandevil> In general.
07:46 <bhaak> yeah. I've heard that before :)
07:47 <bhaak> I took the main criticism of the dumplog path (it duplicates code! OMG! the world is gonna end!) and took it up to 11 with the html dumplogs and the DYWYPISI patch :-)
07:48 <Mandevil> DYWYPISI = ?
07:49 <bhaak> 'Do you want your possessions' identification status identified?'   I'm not sure if you can easily reproduce it with the new 3.6.1 hack. which is using a "dummy" windowport that outputs the dumplog 
07:50 <bhaak> in standard dumplogs, you don't see what you knew about your items.
07:50 <Mandevil> Ah.
07:51 <Mandevil> That was nifty too.
07:51 <bhaak> unnethack's dumplogs system also allows you to write more than one dumplog at a time. like a txt and html one.
07:51 <Mandevil> Found my first Un ascension: https://ascension.run/history/unn/users/Mandevil/dumps/Mandevil.1339164520.txt.html
07:51 <Mandevil> Tangles: We NEED the html dumplog on hdf!
07:52 <bhaak> you HAVE html dumplogs on hdf, just play unnethack :-)
07:52 <Mandevil> I mean in other variants.
07:52 <bhaak> ;-)
07:53 <Mandevil> The thing is... I am not sure the NHs actually links to HTML versions...
07:53 <Mandevil> no, it does.
07:53 <Mandevil> Hm, but hdf seems to use different CSS?
07:54 <Mandevil> Lame!
07:54 <Mandevil> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Delraven/un531/dumplog/1517771901.un531.txt.html
07:54 <Mandevil> This is how it looks.
07:55 <Mandevil> And the css inlined even.
07:56 <bhaak> I just checked, it looks like it's the same CSS on un.nethack.nu as on hdf
07:57 <bhaak> that user has no menucolors
07:57 <Mandevil> Oh, it saves the menucolors settings?
07:57 <Mandevil> Or?
07:58 <bhaak> yes, it colors the inventory as the player saw it
07:58 <bhaak> also the map is whatever FOOgraphics you have activated
07:58 <Mandevil> Hm, but I don't think I used yellow in my menucolors...
07:58 <bhaak> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/un531/dumplog/1519265972.un531.txt.html
07:58 <Mandevil> Who knows.
07:59 <Mandevil> I might be wrong.
07:59 <Mandevil> I might have used brightyellow in that first game.
07:59 <bhaak> oh, for ascension.run you don't link to the html version
07:59 <Mandevil> But yes, Un's HTML dumplogs are genius.
08:00 <Mandevil> bhaak: I will fix that.
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08:12 <K2> LOVE html dumplogs
08:12 <K2> still perplexes me that this never made it into more variants
08:12 <Mandevil> They are even better than I thought they were.
08:12 <Mandevil> K2: That's our chance :)
08:12 <K2> Mandevil: you can compile unnethack to bake the css into the html file (this is what happens on hdf)
08:13 <Mandevil> K2: Aha... I think that's a good thing actually.
08:13 <K2> yes
08:13 <K2> keeps it consistient across all html dumplogs
08:13 <K2> and yes, it is our chance hah
08:13 <K2> I looked at once around this time last year, wanted to try and incorporate it into grunthack
08:14 <K2> its a complex patch
08:14 <K2> if only we knew someone here who knows something about it...
08:14 <K2> :D
08:15 <Mandevil> Hm.
08:15 <Mandevil> Yeah, I guess it's quite some work.
08:16 <Mandevil> Meanwhile, I am miffed by the zscore breakage.
08:20 <Mandevil> The code did not change at all.
08:20 <Mandevil> I will need to find the exact commit that broke tis.
08:20 <Mandevil> But later, work now.
08:22 <K2> see ya Mandevil
08:25 <bhaak> it grew over time. the original dumplog patch, then the html part and the DYWYPISI patch. probably even forgetting something
08:31 <K2> bhaak :)
08:31 <K2> i would love to see html dumplogs for 361-hdf
08:32 <K2> understandable if it never made it into vanilla, since html dumplogs is a public server thing really
08:35 <bhaak> that's not true, though.  back when RGRN was still a bustling place, people posted their YAAP with the dumplog there. before the dumplog patch, they just copy-pasted the screen (although for some UI ports that wasn't possible)
08:36 <K2> ah... yeah makes sense
08:37 <K2> ok then its settled. html dumplogs for vanilla when? :)
08:47 <bhaak> I can easily wrap the vanilla dumplogs in a pre-tag: <pre>...</pre> that's valid html, too :-)
08:49 <K2> lol
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09:44 <PavelB> !who
09:44 <Beholder> PavelB: [hdf-us] mightyquinn [sp] TLar [nh361] Eleven [nh361] 
09:44 <Beholder> PavelB: [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh361] 
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10:12 <PavelB> Anything interesting happen overnight
10:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Nalzok, on T:34149
10:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:34150
10:15 <K2> PavelB not really no
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10:32 <aosdict> First time in a while I've come back to my computer and not had any hilights, yay
10:34 <PavelB> I'm just glad we got curses
10:34 <K2> aosdict
10:35 <K2> ^^ highlight
10:36 <aosdict> doesn't count I'm already sitting down here
10:36 <K2> :(
10:37 <aosdict> btw K2 I may be going on a bike tour through lake champlain later this summer. plans aren't finalized yet but there's evidently a nice bike causeway down the islands in the middle
10:38 <K2> nice
10:38 <PavelB> Do you two now each other irl?
10:38 <PavelB> *know
10:38 <K2> if you do come up this way, we should meet for a drink or something
10:38 <K2> PavelB no
10:38 <PavelB> Ah
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10:39 <aosdict> I'll bring it up but I think the plan is to go down route 
10:39 <aosdict> 2
10:41 <aosdict> apparently the causeway doesn't fully connect, and you have to take a ferry across like 40 feet of water
10:41 <K2> how far north do you anticipate travelling? and yeah the ferry heh
10:41 <K2> or do you know yet?
10:42 <aosdict> starting point is montreal, end point isn't determined yet AFAIK
10:42 <aosdict> I think we also plan to go to fort ticonderoga
10:43 <K2> i'm betting you'll pass within 15-20 min travel from my house
10:43 <raisse> You see here a tripe ration.  You are about to vomit.
10:43 <raisse> (yuck! tripe!)
10:43 <K2> ugh
10:43 <PavelB> Bug when rendering the "Press space to continue" prompt, the `>>` got split over multiple lines. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/usMTPCSc/image.png
10:43 <K2> that should be fixed now PavelB
10:44 <PavelB> (I quit on turn one)
10:44 <PavelB> Oh ok
10:44 <K2> as of yesterday (for xnethack)
10:44 <PavelB> Mm, my xnh seems to be up-to-date
10:45 <PavelB> Unix xNetHack Version 0.2.0 - last build Sun May 13 15:26:47 2018.
10:45 <PavelB> (29139f7dcc312a66719f46f5c8835816ffcac4a2)
10:45 <K2> could be because the game you started was on an older version of the binary
10:45 <K2> hmm but that shouldnt matter
10:48 <PavelB> K2: It happens on hdf too, just checked
10:48 <K2> hmm i thought that was addressed...
10:48 <K2> one sec
10:49 <K2> i'm not getting the extra space on a stop event '>>'
10:49 <K2> this is on hdf
10:49 <K2> hdf-us rather
10:49 <PavelB> Mmmm
10:49 <PavelB> Would it help if I sent you my config
10:50 <K2> you're on hdf-eu yes?
10:50 <K2> or us
10:50 <PavelB> us
10:50 <PavelB> 157x40 terminal
10:50 <K2> i can view your cfg from here
10:51 <aosdict> you don'tneed to send K2 your config :P
10:52 <PavelB> Right
10:52 <raisse> thank you Cassieopeia (if you're cassiopeiastar) for the uncursed cloak of MR!
10:52 <K2> why are these commented out PavelB?
10:52 <K2> # OPTIONS=term_cols:157
10:52 <K2> # OPTIONS=term_rows:40
10:52 <K2> not that that should matter
10:53 <K2> just curious
10:53 <PavelB> I was having some weird issues earlier, so I tried commenting them out
10:53 <PavelB> The issue ended up being unrelated, but I never uncommented the lines.
10:54 <K2> ok
10:54 <K2> this is what I use:
10:54 <K2> ## Curses interface
10:54 <K2> OPTIONS=windowtype:curses
10:54 <K2> OPTIONS=align_status:bottom
10:54 <K2> OPTIONS=align_message:top
10:54 <K2> OPTIONS=windowborders:3
10:54 <K2> OPTIONS=petattr:I
10:54 <K2> # Set terminal window for same dimensions
10:54 <K2> OPTIONS=term_cols:120
10:54 <K2> OPTIONS=term_rows:32
10:55 <K2> just for grins, maybe try that and see how it acts
10:55 <PavelB> Ok
10:55 <K2> i think [Demo] said last night, scaling on a large terminal was acting weird
10:55 <K2> so lets try something a bit more conservative and see what happens
10:56 <K2> ok have a meeting to go to, be back soon
10:56 <PavelB> o/
10:57 <PavelB> (That fixed nothing)
10:59 <PavelB> aosdict: Following the materials patch, I think you made it so wishing for silver dragon scale mail gives you white instead.
10:59 <PavelB> Which kinda sucks since I'm a valk :P
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11:01 <raisse> lol already cold resistant
11:01 <aosdict> PavelB: Whoops.
11:02 <aosdict> no, it would not hardcode to white, it would have randomized the color
11:02 <PavelB> Ah
11:02 <aosdict> pfft in wizard mode: "h - a silver red dragon scale mail."
11:03 <PavelB> I don't think that should be a thing either
11:04 <Tangles> heh it's interpreting silver as the material, and then assuming the colour was not specified.
11:04 <PavelB> So I should have wished for a silver silver dragon scale mail
11:05 <raisse> Rodneycide alert!
11:05 <raisse> or a dragonhide silver dragon scale mail?
11:05 <Tangles> that *might* work... the wish parser is complicated.
11:05 <raisse> a silver silver dragon scale mail might impede spellcasting
11:06 <raisse> oh you're a valk, you probably don't cast anyway
11:06 <Tangles> I don't think dragon scales made from silver should really be a thing.
11:06 <PavelB> Yeah
11:06 <raisse> "silver" is the color, not the material
11:06 <PavelB> What does a scroll "Your nose twitches then starts to tingle." mean?
11:07 <raisse> blessed food detection when there's no food on the level
11:07 <PavelB> Thanks
11:07 <PavelB> (NHWiki blocked by firewall)
11:09 <PavelB> I've never gotten `The corpse smells like it might be poisonous! Eat it anyway? [yn] (n)` before, it always just went ahead and ate.
11:09 <PavelB> Oh, that's the blessed food detection
11:10 <raisse> it will do that until you say yes to eating something
11:10 <PavelB> No, just once: `Your nose stops tingling and your sense of smell returns to normal.`
11:13 <PavelB> I don't think I've ever had that many zorkmids in my life
11:15 <aosdict> yes, the correct solution is to ignore the "silver" if "silver dragon scale mail" is the string. DSM should always be its default dragonhide.
11:16 <aosdict> There aren't any other material conflicts, right? All the other DSMs are colors.
11:16 <PavelB> Think so
11:17 <PavelB> Is there a way to check your luck?
11:18 <aosdict> wishing for figurines of material-specific monsters, figurines and gold golems, seems to work OK.
11:18 <aosdict> er, silver dragons and gold golems
11:18 <aosdict> Only enlightenment gives you a clue about luck. That and sacrificing.
11:18 <raisse> PavelB: oh right, just once
11:19 <raisse> I usually cast the spell when I have it for food appraisal
11:19 <raisse> (and to train divination)
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11:29 <PavelB> dammit I pressed escape on reading an id scroll
11:29 <aosdict> raisse: is this some sort of tag sign? vandal!
11:31 <raisse> I tried to write "gjrlg" or something else random but I sometimes hit a wrong key and it does that
11:31 <raisse> goes to OM and whatever else I hit afterwards
11:31 <aosdict> what if gjrlg is a tag sign too
11:31 <raisse> it was to test a wand anyway
11:31 <raisse> anything can be a tag sign
11:32 <raisse> scribbled in the dust it scuffs out immediately anyway
11:32 <aosdict> !tell LarienTelrunya is there some sort of graffitist race in slex whose sole purpose is to go around making graffiti?
11:32 <Beholder> Will do, aosdict!
11:32 <aosdict> er, role
11:32 <raisse> race might be cool too
11:32 <raisse> a graphite golem
11:32 <raisse> or a monster ^^
11:33 <PavelB> Paint Golem
11:33 <aosdict> K2: pushed SDSM wish fix
11:33 <PavelB> On death, splats graffiti everywhere
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11:36 <PavelB> aosdict: I don't think just checking for `"silver dragon"` is great, it should at least be able to handle someone hitting the spacebar twice on accident.
11:36 <PavelB> ._. my save broke again
11:37 <PavelB> I think `make install` wipes `xnethackdir `
11:37 <PavelB> That makes sense
11:39 <aosdict> ...yes
11:40 <aosdict> PavelB: The wish parser squishes all duplicate spaces into one.
11:40 <PavelB> Ah
11:40 <aosdict> Try wishing up a "silver    dragon scale mail" in wizard mode, it works.
11:41 <PavelB> How do I start in wizmode?
11:41 <aosdict> run the xnethack binary with -D
11:41 <PavelB> ty
11:42 <raisse> gogo elenmirie!
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11:53 <PavelB> I hit the escape key the times in the wish dialog and got two yellowish brown gems
11:54 <aosdict> hitting escape in the wish dialog is parsed as "gimme a random thing". I don't know why the devteam thought that was a good idea.
12:00 <PavelB> Why does wishing for `blessed scroll of identification` give me a random scroll
12:00 <K2> aosdict ok
12:00 <PavelB> That is also generally not blessed
12:02 <aosdict> because "scroll of identification" doesn't exist
12:02 <aosdict> it's scroll of identify
12:02 <PavelB> Ah
12:02 <PavelB> I'd rather it tell me it doesn't know what I mean though
12:03 <aosdict> what it does is discard the "of identification", and conclude you wished for "scroll"
12:03 <aosdict> hm
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12:03 <aosdict> I wonder, what if you nuked the ability to wish for nonspecific items
12:03 <aosdict> since I don't think anyone actually *uses* it
12:04 <K2> aosdict: when you made xnethack accept longer usernames (from 10 characters to 16) was that save breaking at all?
12:04 <riker> https://nhqdb.alt.org/?1583
12:04 <riker> aosdict: ^
12:05 <raisse> why doesn't it conclude that you wished for "blessed scroll"?
12:05 <K2> will update xnethack after elenmirie is finished
12:05 <raisse> elenmirie is on the grand tour, it seems
12:05 <elenmirie> well, it wasn't the first altar
12:06 <aosdict> K2: I don't think so?
12:07 <elenmirie> yep, grand tour
12:07 <K2> ok. didnt think so either, but wanted to check
12:07 <aosdict> my wishes for "blessed scroll of foo" are coming out blessed
12:07 <K2> go elenmirie go!
12:07 <aosdict> K2: At most it should have affected logfile/xlogfile stuff.
12:09 <K2> ok
12:09 <K2> i want to add it to 361-hdf before junethack kicks off
12:10 <K2> i am sure Grasshopper would appreciate that
12:10 <K2> i didnt even think about it, and then was messing around with my test account 'ChiefGreyBush' and noticed it then
12:11 <PavelB> Starting explore mode, wishing for a pickaxe, and digging out every single dungeon level is surprisingly fun
12:11 <K2> :)
12:12 <K2> i sometimes do that as an arc with actual games if i have a decent source of food
12:12 <riker> grats elenmirie 
12:12 <K2> congrats elenmirie!!
12:12 <elenmirie> thanks!
12:12 <K2> xNetHack updated (us and eu)
12:12 <K2> we're tied on number of xnh ascensions now :P
12:12 <elenmirie> hehe
12:13 <aosdict> quick, one of you start playing again! can't have a tie!
12:14 <aosdict> (congrats elenmirie)
12:14 <K2> but I told you, i cant play xnethack ever again
12:14 <K2> i have a 4 streak :D
12:14 <riker> any particular reason to do +7 long sword vs +7 vorpal?
12:14 <riker> or you just didn't get around to being crowned
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12:16 <elenmirie> thanks aosdict!
12:16 <elenmirie> riker: correct, I just didn't bother
12:19 <PavelB> can't even win explore mode
12:19 <PavelB> I was attacking diagonally up-right
12:19 <PavelB> Die
12:19 <PavelB> Press y
12:27 <riker> ok then: dnh's inc nerf for 1/10 the nutrition relaly didn't do much
12:28 <riker> just ascended an inc ana with that since you can abuse ampules for infinite food
12:28 <riker> basically just FoD or lightning bolt things, rinse and repeat
12:28 <riker> >_<
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12:33 <PavelB> !pom
12:33 <Beholder> PavelB: The moon is new for 4 more days.
12:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3880
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12:35 <PavelB> Ooh, cursed genocided some krakens on turn 5
12:36 <PavelB> I am now level 6
12:36 <riker> I'm very surprised that worked
12:37 <riker> last I checked they'd still sneak in a couple hits
12:37 <riker> @?krkaen
12:37 <Beholder> krkaen ~2~ kraken (;) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 22 | Spd: 3 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 6 | Attacks: 2d4 claw physical, 2d4 claw physical, 2d6 hug wrap, 5d4 bite physical | Alignment: -3 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, swims, amphibious, nopoly, infravisible
12:37 <PavelB> Update: level 8 at dlvl 1
12:38 <PavelB> Ooh level 9
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12:54 <elenmirie> a mithril crude dagger?
12:54 <elenmirie> hm
12:55 <elenmirie> orcs are making stuff out of mithril these days
12:56 <jonadab> That seems ... counter to the usual lore.
12:56 <elenmirie> yes
12:57 <Pinkbeast> They nick it from the hobbits and misuse it. Tragic really.
12:58 <aosdict> jonadab: Pretty sure there's something about Orcs coveting mithril, which is why they assaulted Moria multiple times.
12:58 <Pinkbeast> Mithril seems to be in much better supply in NetHack than in LOTR (let alone 2D Dwarf Fortress, aha)
13:00 <jonadab> aosdict: Oh, hmm, maybe.
13:00 <jonadab> Not sure if they could work it, but hmm.
13:00 <jonadab> Pinkbeast: Indeed.
13:00 <elenmirie> well, that's why it's crude, I guess
13:01 <aosdict> Yeah, just found the relevant passage in Fellowship.
13:01 <aosdict> Am too lazy to type it all in though
13:02 <elenmirie> aosdict: does it do silver damage?
13:02 <aosdict> mithril isn't silver, so no.
13:02 <elenmirie> ok
13:02 <aosdict> However, it is lighter than iron and won't rust.
13:03 <aosdict> or corrode.
13:03 <aosdict> You'll find plenty of silver daggers in the Mines before long...
13:03 <elenmirie> oooh!
13:03 <aosdict> perhaps too many silver daggers
13:03 <aosdict> don't know how I want to address that
13:07 <aosdict> Here's my plan for glass items that I'm beginning to implement: all glass stuff breaks when used (when you hit with it or when something hits you) with ~30% chance. However, erodeproofing it makes it shatter-proof. Glass edged weapons get +1 to damage.
13:07 <aosdict> Perhaps it should be 100% chance for weapons, and only reduced to ~30% for armor.
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13:26 <riker> aosdict: what about making 'orcish' things out of 'orcish steel'?
13:26 <riker> slightly less quality than normal steel
13:27 <Pinkbeast> Or "iron" ?
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13:38 <jonadab> NetHack doesn't differentiate iron from steel, let alone different quality levels of steel.
13:39 <Pinkbeast> Indeed. But if aosdict is exploring object materials in more detail, perhaps supposing that orcs generally make their stuff out of poor iron and that ordinary equipment is steel might be an idea, rather than "orcish steel" which seems a slightly silly term.
13:39 <jonadab> "crude steel"
13:39 <jonadab> The dwarves would of course make hardened steel.
13:40 <jonadab> (Perhaps "crude steel" might be roughly on part with pig iron?)
13:40 <Pinkbeast> I dislike "crude steel" for much the same reason I dislike "orcish steel", the implication you can do metallurgy with your eyes. Also, it's not going to be clear if "crude" binds with "steel" or with the following object name.
13:41 <jonadab> Ah, true.
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13:47 <aosdict> having a separate material for racial items is silly
13:47 <aosdict> unless it would behave significantly differently in ways we can't already cover with existing racial items (which we can)
13:48 <aosdict> What I do want to do in the future is nuke racial items and simply have the make of the item be another modifier on the object
13:57 <PavelB> aosdict: Maybe glass items, rather than being broken outright, become scratched -> chipped -> shattered with -1 -2 -3, before breaking.
13:57 <PavelB> In the same way metal stuff can get progressivly rustier
13:58 <elenmirie> oh crap.  fell down a deep shaft from level 4 to 7 in the mines.  Took one step, hit a levelport trap and now I'm at level 10.
13:59 <PavelB> Oof
13:59 <PavelB> That's happened to me before
13:59 <PavelB> I did not live
13:59 <elenmirie> yes, prognosis is not good
14:00 <jonadab> aosdict: That makes sense, yes.
14:01 <elenmirie> a dwarf king with some kinda fancy copper pick axe
14:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] kek (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Minetown temple, on T:1376
14:12 <jonadab> aosdict: Out of curiosity, can a mithril long sword be #dipped for Excalibur?  And would this be better than regular Excalibur?  (Irrelevant in my current game, as I'm chaotic, but I saw a mithril long sword and happened to think of it.)
14:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] jonadab (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:24225
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14:31 <PavelB> YANI: trying to open a door with a known uncured unlocking tool in open inventory automatically asks if you want to unlock the door. Same for locked chests/boxes.
14:31 <PavelB> *unxursed
14:31 <PavelB> *what is spelling
14:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] jonadab (Bar Orc Mal Cha) polymorphed his first item, on T:24563
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14:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] TLar (Pri Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism by offering an Uruk-hai corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:8683
14:46 <elenmirie> PavelB: there's at least one variant that does something like that.  Can't remember which one
14:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:14894
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14:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] jonadab (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:25987
15:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] TLar (Pri Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:9285
15:10 <elenmirie> a paper hooded cloak....
15:10 <elenmirie> about as useful as a chocolate kettle ;)
15:11 <PavelB> aosdict: wat https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/PUVrAJuo/image.png
15:12 <PavelB> My inventory was made completely empty before the tombstone appeared
15:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "a blessed greased fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:16810
15:13 <PavelB> silver > gray
15:13 <nooodle> choice of scale color is situational
15:15 <PavelB> Sometimes I wonder why someone is taking a while to respond to a ping and then I remember most people have actual lives outside of nethack.
15:16 <aosdict> jonadab: Mithril (or any non-iron) long swords can be dipped for Excalibur, but the process of granting the name to an artifact converts it into that artifact's specific material.
15:17 <aosdict> PavelB: ...bad ... fruit?
15:17 <FIQ> aosdict: Bad fruit is an error message for a custom fruitname index being out of bounds
15:19 <aosdict> PavelB: scratched -> chipped -> cracked isn't a bad idea actually
15:20 <aosdict> it would be unique among erosion types in that it would go from cracked -> broken though
15:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17713
15:24 <aosdict> FIQ: Not sure how that could happen or why it would happen in the end code.
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15:26 <jonadab> aosdict: Ah.
15:27 <jonadab> Fortunately Grays isn't #name-able, so you can't turn a copper saber into a silver one that way.
15:28 <aosdict> Yeah. You can turn Sting and Orcrist into wood though.
15:30 <jonadab> That's weird from a flavor perspective but not a balance problem.
15:31 <bhaak> elenmirie, PavelB: unnethack dös
15:31 <bhaak> *does
15:32 <MiseryMyra> I think fh does that too
15:34 <PavelB> aosdict: I don't get the fruit thing either
15:34 <K2> in grunthack, if you found a silver long sword and dipped for excalibur with it, it'd stay silver
15:34 <riker> PavelB: oh did that happen to you as well?
15:34 <K2> and silver weapons in grunthack tend to also be reflecting
15:34 <riker> K2: same wiht dnh (but silver long sword aren't randomly gen'd)
15:34 <K2> so. i once had a silver excalibur of reflection
15:34 <riker> I've had it a couple times, fiqhack and dnh. what did you do to cause that?
15:35 <K2> riker i didnt do anything
15:35 <K2> its grunthack's buggy object properties and materials code
15:35 <riker> nah, talking to pavel
15:35 <K2> oh
15:35 <riker> well to both I just didn't specify sorry
15:35 <K2> :P
15:36 <riker> "you see here a +7 gigantic silver longsword named Excalibur"
15:36 <riker> ^ that's so much fun
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15:37 <aosdict> Hm, is there a better verb for glass suffering damage than "crack"?
15:37 <aosdict> Assuming the erosion states are scratched, chipped, cracked, in that order.
15:37 <K2> shatters
15:38 <aosdict> K2: "shatter" doesn't take you from scratched to chipped.
15:38 <K2> you asked for a verb for glass taking damage
15:38 <K2> thats what came to mind
15:38 <K2> fractured maybe?
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15:38 <aosdict> Actually, wait, scratched/chipped/cracked doesn't even work with the existing system. It'd be foo/very foo/thoroughly foo.
15:39 <FIQ> riker: You've seen the fruitname thing in FIQHack?
15:39 <FIQ> And you never told me?
15:39 <aosdict> K2: Fractured might work for foo there.
15:39 <aosdict> I think I'll stick with crack for everything at the moment.
15:40 <FIQ> You know, I actually like when people report bugs to me
15:40 <FIQ> That way I can chase them away
15:40 <elenmirie> a stone bow... I wonder how that works
15:40 <riker> FIQ: yes I did
15:40 <riker> I was like "hey fiq what's this weird thing"
15:40 <riker> it happened on death for a monk I think, I had a slime mold in my inventory (idr what it was named at that time)
15:40 <aosdict> elenmirie: primo gnomish engineering
15:41 <elenmirie> heh
15:42 <K2> very fractured or thoroughly fractured sounds better (to me) than very cracked/thoroughly cracked
15:42 <FIQ> riker: did I fix it
15:42 <elenmirie> yeah, that's more a description of the players
15:42 <FIQ> I hope I did
15:42 <K2> hah
15:43 <riker> FIQ: maybe i don't konw
15:43 <aosdict> K2: flavor-wise, the weirdness is in how you can continue to use a glass item after it's fractured at all.
15:43 <riker> check yo commit history
15:43 <aosdict> maybe it loses some chips here and there but doesn't break fully.
15:43 <Pinkbeast> Maybe glass items should not have this property, but be destroyed by any damage
15:43 <FIQ> not all glasss shatter on being destroyed
15:43 <PavelB> Aosdict: maybe you get worthless glass when it shatters
15:45 <aosdict> Whether or not it uses the standard erosion system or just breaks immediately is still up for debate; the important thing is that you can shatter-proof it.
15:46 <Pinkbeast> FIQ: I'm not sure the dungeon really has laminated safety glass in it
15:48 <aosdict> The reason I sort of liked the glass using the regular erosion routine was that it made glass armor at least a little useful before you got your hands on confused enchant armor.
15:53 <K2> NetHack 3.6.1 updated (us and eu)
15:54 <K2> obsidian was commonly used by our distant ancestors
15:54 <K2> volcanic glass
15:54 <K2> very very very very very sharp
15:55 <K2> not sure how often they'd chip or fracture during use
15:55 <aosdict> its molecular structure is different from normal glass though, and allows it to be sharper than normal glass
15:56 <aosdict> concave fractures and all that
15:56 <K2> being able to wield an obsidian knife would be neat
15:56 <PavelB> That is true
15:56 <aosdict> obsidian would probably be best off implemented as its own material like dnethack does
15:56 <aosdict> however I don't have any specific plans to add it
15:59 <hothraxxa> aosdict: Your recall of this spell is gradually fading.  You fail to cast the spell correctly.
15:59 <hothraxxa> oh wait nm
15:59 <PavelB> aosdict: if you implement progressive erosion for glass it would be cool if you could repair it with fire.
15:59 <hothraxxa> i'm confused
16:00 <PavelB> Glasd melts at a low temperature and becomes maleable. 
16:00 <aosdict> PavelB: I like the way it's balanced but not sure I can justify it flavor wise
16:02 <hothraxxa> The invisible ogre king zaps a wand of digging!  The floor here is too hard to dig in.
16:02 <hothraxxa> bwahahahahaha
16:02 <hothraxxa> finally
16:03 <PavelB> I'm just thinking how one would repair *glass*
16:03 <hothraxxa> i think i'm up to about 10 monsters escaping with wands of digging (or trying to)
16:03 <aosdict> PavelB: generally, via magic (scroll)
16:04 <aosdict> you can't repair other erosion with mundane methods, why should it work on glass?
16:04 <aosdict> hothraxxa: mind giving my xnh char some of them? I really need a wand of digging
16:04 <hothraxxa> i have 14 atm
16:05 <hothraxxa> i polyed a bunch of them
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16:06 <hothraxxa> scarce items this game: stethoscope (i had to poly multiple times, at least a dozen) and potions of speed (i have only managed to get one and i've only seen monsters drink it twice)
16:07 <hothraxxa> i'm on dlvl 50
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16:17 <riker> what's !oSpeed good for?
16:17 <riker> I've never used it I don't think
16:17 <riker> well, never used it on purpose (I've quaff-IDed). it seems to do nothing for most character that have innate speed
16:19 <hothraxxa> alchemy
16:19 <hothraxxa> healing into speed gives extra healing
16:19 <hothraxxa> blessed extra healing gives +5 hp
16:20 <hothraxxa> if you're already at max
16:20 <aosdict> Tengu corpses: Just Say No.
16:20 <hothraxxa> soo tasty
16:20 <Pavel> is there any use for hallu! or are they just bad
16:20 <hothraxxa> easy to turn into water
16:21 <aosdict> xnh has permahallu mode now! Someone try it out!
16:21 <hothraxxa> there's an edge case for hallucination: it defeats the touch of death
16:21 <Pavel> I can't acess to github rn but I can pull later
16:21 <aosdict> PavelB: It's not recent.
16:21 <Pavel> o
16:21 <aosdict> Well, not in the last couple of days recent.
16:22 <Pavel> I pull xnh daily
16:22 <Pavel> What option is it
16:22 <aosdict> OPTIONS=hallucination
16:23 <Pavel> OPTIONS=hallucination
16:23 <Pavel>  * Line 1: Unknown option 'hallucination'.
16:23 <Pavel> 1 error in /home/pavel/.xnethackrc.
16:24 <aosdict> er maybe it's hallu
16:24 <aosdict> yeah it's hallu
16:24 <raisse> it would be so nice if halllucination also prevented petrification, "you are already stoned"
16:24 <aosdict> raisse: you already have that in fourk
16:24 <Pavel> Yep hallu
16:24 <raisse> aosdict: yay!
16:25 <aosdict> I may add it at some point; got to keep up my quota of terrible pun based mechanics.
16:25 <Pavel> like what
16:25 <raisse> also hallucination is fun, I sometimes keep it for a while if I could easily cure it because I like all the hallu monsters
16:25 <hothraxxa> you lick the nice cockatrice. everything seems so groovy now
16:27 <riker> YANI: #monster effect while a cockatrice, makes you "stoned" (i.e. hallu)
16:27 <raisse> lol
16:28 <riker> hm, a stoning attack and the ability to ignore touch of death 75% of the time? cockatrice polymorph OP :p
16:28 <Pavel> do quantum mechanics have a #monster
16:28 <raisse> cockatrices have a disadvantage: they're too small to wear armor or carry anything much
16:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:25161
16:29 <raisse> think chicken sized
16:30 <Pavel> !who
16:30 <Beholder> Pavel: [hdf-us] mighty [fh] hypnotist [nh361] k2 [nh361] hothraxxa [xnh] aosdict [xnh] 
16:30 <Beholder> Pavel: [hdf-eu] No current players
16:31 <Pavel> !whereis aosdict 
16:31 <Beholder> Pavel: [hdf-us] aosdict [xnh]: (Rog Orc Fem Cha) T:30277 The Dungeons of Doom level: 24
16:31 <FIQ> Pinkbeast: are you sure
16:31 <aosdict> :O whereis!
16:32 <K2> lol
16:32 <aosdict> my kingdom for a polearm, any polearm
16:33 <aosdict> ooh a lance, that'll do
16:33 * raisse tosses aosdict a cursed rusty -3 bec de corbin
16:33 <raisse> (that's what I had last time, from bones)
16:33 <aosdict> hey, even a cursed rusty -3 bec de corbin can kill this trapped green dragon
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16:34 <aosdict> f - a pair of paper walking shoes.
16:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:52643
16:34 <FIQ> hi Tariru 
16:34 <Tariru> Hi
16:34 <Beholder> Hello Tariru, Welcome to #hardfought
16:34 <aosdict> I don't even care that it makes no sense, this is great
16:35 * FIQ sets aosdict's paper shoes on fire
16:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Pri Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:52649
16:35 <raisse> should have fireproofed them
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16:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Pri Hum Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:52664
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16:39 <Pavel> !whereis aosdict
16:39 <Beholder> Pavel: [hdf-us] aosdict [xnh]: (Rog Orc Fem Cha) T:30277 The Dungeons of Doom level: 24
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16:42 <K2> lol aosdict
16:43 <Pavel> huh
16:43 * Pavel has funky internet
16:45 <riker> !who
16:45 <Beholder> riker: [hdf-us] mighty [fh] hypnotist [nh361] k2 [nh361] hothraxxa [xnh] aosdict [xnh] 
16:45 <Beholder> riker: [hdf-eu] No current players
16:45 <riker> Tariru: so are you saving slex til junethack now?
16:46 <K2> abstaining from slex
16:46 <K2> until junethack
16:46 <K2> hahahahahah
16:46 <raisse> but it'll be June before we realise!
16:46 <Tariru> Probably, since otherwise I might not finish the game before it starts.
16:46 <Pavel> lol
16:46 <riker> for grown adult male you have a bad mind K2 :p
16:46 <K2> um
16:46 <raisse> two and a half weeks and it's June
16:46 <riker> er wait maybe I'm just an idiot
16:46 <riker> nvm
16:46 <K2> dont those go together?
16:47 <K2> oh yeah riker i was totally going there
16:47 <riker> >_>
16:47 <Pavel> kek
16:47 <riker> anyway lol Tariru any thouhgts for which race/role next?
16:48 <Tariru> Not quite sure yet. If I try and squeeze one into Junethack, it'll have to be something easy to try and speed things up.
16:48 <Pavel> Is junethack a competition of some sort
16:49 <K2> junethack.net
16:49 <K2> Pavel yes it is
16:49 <riker> tl;dr; yes
16:49 <K2> very popular nethack + variants tournament
16:49 <riker> its' a month-long compeition thing, basiaclly ascend as much as possib
16:49 <riker> Tariru: angels are always easy, unless you don't want to repeat
16:49 <Tariru> Wandkeeper looks like an interesting role, but sow speed is probably too bad.
16:49 <Menche> alternatively, die as uniquely as possible
16:50 <riker> Tariru: you can also get screwed over with bad starting wand charges
16:50 <riker> might not be something easy to streak
16:50 <Pavel> I'm good at dying in weird ways
16:50 <riker> and there's always zyborgs
16:50 <Tariru> It's an easy start as angel, but you have to watch your alignment or it is absolutely crippling. 
16:50 <riker> yeah, angel paladin is good but if you get messed up you're fucked
16:51 <riker> elven elph? ranger overdose
16:51 <Tariru> Switching to launchers is a hassle though.
16:52 <Tariru> Archaeologist is somewhat tempting, since they can get high master pickaxe, and have lots of good miscellaneous and spellcasting skills.
16:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] rikersan (Mon Wra Mal Cha) shouted "goodbye cruel world", on T:3479
16:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] rikersan (Mon Wra Mal Cha), 21880 points, T:3487, quit
16:53 <riker> Tariru: wraith monk is quite good
16:53 <riker> very good hp, but you get penalties for wiedling/wearing stuff
16:53 <Tariru> Maybe good in the beginning, but I imagine weaponless makes the endgame at least very long, if not difficult.
16:54 <riker> that's true
16:54 <Pavel> How does one *shout* something
16:54 <riker> they count as +level weapons tho
16:54 <riker> it's not in all variants but slex has #shout
16:54 <riker> (for the purposes of hitting things like vecna)
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17:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:53401
17:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] TLar (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13909
17:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:53504
17:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Pri Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:53508
17:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:53526
17:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:28351
17:23 <riker> !ping
17:23 <Beholder> riker: Pong! 
17:23 <riker> is it just me or is the server really laggy
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17:27 <aosdict> mwahahaha using my thiefstone to get rid of a loadstone
17:29 <hothraxxa> The incubus zaps a wand of digging!  The incubus has made a hole in the floor.  The incubus dives through...
17:33 <nooodle> first time for me getting a game with zero shopkeepers (zero shops). This sucks, no price ID i guess :p
17:34 <aosdict> Lovely, titan medusa who summoned a minotaur next to my Elbereth upstairs.
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17:39 <PavelB> I don't generally pick up rocks so I've never had a thiefstone nor a loadstone
17:39 <PavelB> Don't see any reason to
17:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:30778
17:48 <nooodle> don't have patience for illiterate without price ID
18:01 <aosdict> PavelB: The only reason I picked up the loadstone is because my autopickup exceptions regarding stones are borked
18:01 <aosdict> thiefstones are very very nice though
18:01 <aosdict> say goodbye to all those burdened problems
18:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Mon Elf Mal Cha), 64690 points, T:14957, killed by a blue jelly
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19:11 <winny> i carry loadstones for fun
19:11 <Pinkbeast> Exercises your strength, y'know :-)
19:12 <PavelB> So, other than thiefstones, is there any reason to pick up a random rock
19:12 <Pinkbeast> PavelB: Possible luckstone in an unkickable spot.
19:13 <PavelB> There's one guaranteed at the bottom of the gnomish mines, and they don't stack, right?
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19:13 <Pinkbeast> There is, but you might like one earlier than that.
19:14 <Pinkbeast> Also there are some unkickable placement spots in some mine ends, and a flint stone is slightly useful.
19:14 <Pinkbeast> some mine ends> just the Mimic of the Mines I think
19:16 <aosdict> PavelB: Thiefstones are gray stones, not rocks.
19:16 <aosdict> Rocks are rocks.
19:16 <PavelB> I did not know there was a difference
19:16 <Pinkbeast> Yeah, I'm talking about grey stones, not rocks.
19:16 <aosdict> All the interesting rocks are gray stones.
19:17 <PavelB> So *rocks* actually are pointless
19:17 <winny> don't forget touchstones
19:17 <winny> oh we talking about rocks!
19:17 <winny> nm!
19:17 <Pinkbeast> PavelB: That is true, but when you said "other than thiefstones" I think we all thought you meant grey stones
19:18 <Pinkbeast> And it's touchstones I mean as having some utility, not flint
19:18 <PavelB> Well, I *did* just learn that those aren't the same thing
19:20 <riker> aosdict: does the material gen apply to starting inventory?
19:21 <riker> i.e. could a rogue start with silver daggers, rarely and by accident?
19:21 <aosdict> riker: Initially yes, but I fixed that up so it doesn't. (It would only encourage startscumming.)
19:23 <riker> ah nice
19:23 <riker> is it an easy fix or something reasonably complicated?
19:24 <aosdict> what, the fix? it was just a tweak in u_init.
19:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "the blessed greased fixed +3 speed boots", on T:33960
19:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:34304
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19:39 <riker> oh great, houchou. that's an amazing first gift.
19:39 <riker> aosdict: much belated yes, tha'ts what I meant, ty
19:39 <riker> (dnh has that problem and I'm looking for a fix)
19:40 <aosdict> it was not one of the harder fixes I've done... it was pretty straightforward
19:43 <PavelB> You should be able to displace shopkeepers you don't owe money too
19:43 <PavelB> I just died because I got body-blocked by a shopkeeper while trying to run away from a large mimic
19:48 <aosdict> Working as intended.
19:49 <PavelB> It was a conspiracy between the keeper and mimic to get my stuff, clearly.
19:49 <aosdict> riker: see 61d58ef
19:49 <aosdict> Well duh, why do you think they deliberately put mimics in shops? That dungeon economy has to go around somehow!
19:50 <PavelB> I just assumed the keeper was importing wares and a mimic snuck in without being noticed
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19:53 <PavelB> aosdict: Displacing shopkeepers would still be a great  QoL addition.
19:54 <aosdict> ugh lag
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20:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:54828
20:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Pri Hum Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed historic lit magic marker named pat oliphant", on T:55280
20:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Chromatic Dragon, on T:38961
20:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:38982
20:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] ranlhach2 (Con Orc Mal Cha), 8 points, T:129, killed by a fox
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20:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:38793
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21:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed greased fixed historic scrolls of charging", on T:42263
21:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] ranlhach2 (Con Orc Mal Cha), 4150 points, T:4528, killed by a pony
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21:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 21162 points, T:1523, killed by a small mimic
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21:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Moo (sk1j) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 24343 points, T:1184, killed by a gnome lady, while praying
21:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] TLar (Pri Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:22987
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22:11 <NCommander> Having a working laptop again is amazing
22:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] TLar (Pri Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed bag of holding", on T:23343
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22:55 <K2> hi
22:55 <Beholder> Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought
22:59 <Tangles> heh. At least Beholder says hello to you.
22:59 <Tangles> How are you, K2?
22:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +5 t-shirt", on T:26259
23:00 <Tangles> and what does the shirt say?
23:00 <Tangles> :)
23:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed magic marker", on T:26271
23:00 <K2> It reads: "I'm With Stupid -->".
23:00 <K2> lol
23:01 <K2> +0 booo
23:01 <Tangles> heh
23:01 <K2> hmm just found a new small bug
23:02 <K2> view my game if you have a second, can show you
23:02 <Tangles> you can fix the +0 with that marker :)
23:02 <K2> yes ;)
23:02 <Tangles> gimme a sec to launch another terminal and position my screen a little more subtly (I'm at work atm)
23:03 <K2> no prob
23:03 <aosdict> clearing out ludios with a rusty +2 dagger, with assist from a scroll of scare monster giving me backstab bonus
23:03 <K2> you'll know it when you see it
23:03 <K2> aosdict take down croesus with that dagger
23:04 <aosdict> ehhhh I'd have to lure him all the way back to my scroll because I'm not getting it back
23:04 <aosdict> I'm really interested to see what sort of gear the object materials patch will generate from ludios
23:04 <K2> ahh
23:05 <Tangles> K2: the perm-invent window does not show the WoW having been recharged. Is that the issue? Or is there something else?
23:05 <K2> ft ludios in grunthack can be uber fun. all you need is one or two soldiers to have arrows or bolts of detonation, and walk in wearing a blessed ring of conflict
23:05 <K2> Tangles: yeah its the WoW
23:06 <K2> i charged it, perm_invent side bar didnt update the change in charges
23:06 <Tangles> dismiss the inventory window... it will update eventually.
23:07 <Tangles> but yeah I think the core handles when the perm-invent needs redrawing. I'll look at it.
23:08 <aosdict> oh nice, ludios magic lamp
23:08 <Tangles> It may be one for the devteam (though might need to be reproduced on a windowport that they actually support).
23:08 <Tangles> or equally, it may just be something dumb I did in the curses code.
23:08 <K2> its very minor
23:08 <K2> surprised i even noticed it
23:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed ring of free action", on T:26288
23:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed ring of slow digestion", on T:26288
23:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed ring of conflict", on T:26289
23:09 <Tangles> ok so it updates when you depleted another charge. It's just the recharging event that doesn't get pushed to the windowport.
23:10 <aosdict> ah, good to see that a monster zapping a wand of striking will break this glass hilted polearm in the pile I was standing on (also, ludios generated one glass hilted polearm)
23:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed fixed magic marker", on T:26417
23:10 <K2> ah nice
23:10 <K2> i wasnt watching my perm_inventory heh
23:12 <aosdict> pfft, soldier tries to read create monster to get some reinforcements... summons two peaceful hill orcs.
23:13 <PavelB> It would be nice if summon monster had a message other than "The scroll disappears."
23:13 <PavelB> "Some monsters appear!"
23:13 <aosdict> EPI: "Monsters appear from nowhere!"
23:14 <PavelB> Why is that an EPI
23:14 <K2> 'out of mist, something lurks...'
23:14 <PavelB> Don't get that one, either
23:14 <aosdict> it's an epi because it is the same message as summon nasties
23:16 <PavelB> Oh huh did not know there was a spell literally called that
23:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:26620
23:16 <aosdict> well it's a monster spell
23:16 <aosdict> inaccessible to players except in fiqhack
23:18 <PavelB> Maybe for a cursed scroll of summon monster
23:18 <aosdict> I've reached that point in my game where I remove % from pickup_types
23:18 <PavelB> Like how cursed id is DYWYPI
23:18 <aosdict> weren't you the one who complained about that :P
23:19 <PavelB> It has now happened to me 10 or so times and I'm used to it
23:19 <aosdict> oooh there's a gray dragon here
23:20 <aosdict> come to mama
23:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] TLar (Pri Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:26131
23:21 <aosdict> ok so one thing I have concluded about obj materials is that leather turns to cloth way too much
23:22 <aosdict> I should probably split up the probabilities for leather and cloth base items
23:27 <aosdict> fun loot from ludios: glass polearm that was destroyed, 2 silver maces, plain iron sabers, silver and mithril and bone mails, glass sword, decent amount of mithril weapons, stone, silver, gold, plastic, and bone shields, a little bit of paper and plastic armor
23:31 <K2> silk under armor would be cool
23:31 <K2> bonus against piercing weapons
23:31 <aosdict> oh and a bone flail
23:32 * aosdict decides to swap +0 padded gloves for +0 plastic padded gloves
23:32 <aosdict> waterproof!
23:33 <K2> dish gloves hah
23:34 <K2> rubber as a material would be nifty too
23:34 <K2> oh wait... doesnt that already exist? or is that just the description of the kops hose?
23:35 <aosdict> rubber = plastic as far as the game is concerned
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23:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:34441