00:01 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 00:02 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +5 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2473 00:03 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +5 cloak of magic resistance", on T:2483 00:05 !whereis k2 00:05 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [nh361]: (Val Hum Fem Neu) T:2485 The Gnomish Mines level: 6 00:06 wait... Neu or Law? I may have cocked that up, 00:06 I think I misaligned your alignment :P 00:06 doh 00:07 yeah i am teh lawfulz 00:07 heh ok 00:07 lol 00:07 I am alignment-fluid 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +5 gauntlets of power", on T:2501 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +5 helm of telepathy", on T:2503 00:10 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +5 water walking boots", on T:2505 00:12 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 katana", on T:2609 00:15 did someone assume your alignment and trigger you, K2? 00:15 ;) 00:16 !whereis k2 00:16 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [nh361]: (Val Hum Fem Law) T:2609 The Gnomish Mines level: 6 00:16 presto 00:16 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 00:18 K2: !whereis the code for whereis 00:19 !whereis Grasshopper 00:19 Grasshopper: [hdf-us] Grasshopper is not currently playing on this server. 00:20 nay tis true 00:20 !players 00:20 Grasshopper: [hdf-us] Lymia [slex] k2 [nh361] 00:20 Grasshopper: [hdf-eu] No current players 00:20 !whereis lymia 00:20 Grasshopper: [hdf-us] Lymia [slex]: (Mah Unm Mal Cha) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 00:21 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:22 K2: pushed object materials bugfixes from today 00:23 aosdict: 3.6.1 hardfought branch, commits 36fe0f2f885b9c82ebff99b847d89c36b5679e2e e72fba9090b7065e036f54b28180dbb6f33b228f 3b6d5dca071270a38440fcf9586a654b546bab4c (oldest to newest) 00:24 aosdict sweet 00:24 will update 00:27 xNetHack updated (us and eu) 00:29 aosdict: just to make sure I understand - you've added object materials only, not object properties, correct? 00:30 -!- Pavel has joined #hardfought 00:31 yep 00:31 only special "properties" so far are basically silver damage 00:33 I feel like I just missed an intresting discussion about xnh materials 00:34 not really 00:35 just confirming I didn't add object properties 00:35 Ah 00:36 Are those for sometime in the future? 00:40 [hdf-us] [nh361] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3263 00:41 i wouldnt 00:41 or if aosdict did add them, dont go as extreme as grunthack did 00:42 I do like how xnh is 3.6.1 with minor tweaks rather than being a major rework. 00:42 Less stuff to keep track of. 00:43 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:48 Well, eventually... 00:50 heh 00:50 gnite all 01:03 o/ 01:15 -!- Pavel has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:19 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:25 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:45 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:51 . 01:51 LarienTelrunya: Message from K2 at 2018-05-10 14:07 EDT: your grunthack error - http://termbin.com/cin7 01:51 LarienTelrunya: Message from K2 at 2018-05-10 14:12 EDT: grunthack game recovered 01:51 LarienTelrunya: Message from K2 at 2018-05-10 20:48 EDT: slex on hdf-eu is 'fixed' and I have re-incorporated your save 01:52 !tell K2 ah, as I expected, the grunthack crash was really a SIGFPE: apparently I had 0 max HP and it tried to divide by zero (boom :D) 01:52 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 01:53 !tell K2 yesssssss, quest works in my slex game now :) many thanks! 01:53 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 01:54 man I'm so going to play slex like an addict tonight :D 02:03 !tell K2 bugfix update ready at the slex master branch: fixes a bug with lit lightsabers that could be exploited by players (if I say what the bug is, all the drooling exploit lovers will quickly try to exploit it before you update, so I won't :D) 02:03 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:07 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:11 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:13 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:17 !tell Lymia you were wondering why your mahou shoujo had no magic resistance: it's part of the unmagic race, they cannot have magic resistance no matter what 02:17 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:17 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 02:19 !tell Lymia as it turns out, the wiki entry was wrong, sorry :( 02:19 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:21 hothraxxa: hahaha you also have burnt fireproof speed boots? I do too, in my current slex game! But mine aren't blessed +5 but rather cursed -1 :D 02:22 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:22 and they were thoroughly burnt very rotted when I first received them :P 02:35 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 03:10 -!- Tangles_ has joined #hardfought 03:12 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:19 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:01 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:02 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 04:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 04:10 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:15 "Shadowmane shudders! Shadowmane is killed! Welcome to experience level 7. Your conscience bothers you... You hear the rumble of distant thunder..." 04:16 Thanks, RNG. 04:18 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 04:23 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:25 F... this. 04:26 I - an uncursed ring of sustain ability (on left hand) {3} 04:26 Hm, I think that was bad thing to use. 04:27 LarienTelrunya, fff 04:27 Lymia: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-11 02:17 EDT: you were wondering why your mahou shoujo had no magic resistance: it's part of the unmagic race, they cannot have magic resistance no matter what 04:27 Lymia: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-11 02:19 EDT: as it turns out, the wiki entry was wrong, sorry :( 04:27 That's the opposite of what the wiki said. 04:27 :( 04:28 yeah, sorry about that, I only saw that unmagic is in the "antimagic" entry in youprop.h without realizing I made it so that antimagic (i.e. magic resistance) is deactivated if you're unmagic 04:28 you can, however, play a x-race mahou shoujo, then you're guaranteed to start with the lightning spell and can still have MR! 04:29 Lightning is even worse than Magic Missile, for the same reasons. :( 04:29 and mr isn't helping 04:30 you can also play a golden saint mahou shoujo, then you have intrinsic reflection (but aren't guaranteed to have a ray/beam spell) 04:39 Lightning is level 4, unfortunately 04:39 Which means I don't get 0% fail rate for a while, it seems 04:40 Seems one of my bigger issues (in getting spells up) is all the Level 4 attack spells that are actually matter spells. 04:40 (Cone of Cold, Fireball, etc) 04:43 yeah there's not actually all that many spells that use the attack spells skill; poison blast is a level 4 attack spell though 04:45 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 04:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:49 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:49 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:51 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:15 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:16 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 05:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 05:22 Is there a level 1-3 matter offensive spell? 05:22 Seems hard to train without spamming a spell just for skill ranks 05:25 there's the level 1 sphere spells (flame/shocking/acid/ice sphere) 05:42 [hdf-us] [4k] Jonadab (jonadab) (Val Hum Fem Neu) defeated Lord Surtur, on T:32808 05:43 Don't those do, like, pipsqueak damage :c 05:45 (Due to not scaling with level or something) 05:46 yeah, but at higher matter skill levels you can summon more per cast; the main problem with them is that they will anger peaceful monsters 05:49 wow 05:49 raisse: Message from aosdict at 2018-05-10 21:56 EDT: Balrog!Poes just killed Pestilence. Congrats 05:49 yay Poes! 05:49 50 HP from a single nurse (locked myself in a room with her in Rodney's tower) 05:50 and found another 0:2 WoW just lying around on the floor in gehennom 05:50 (now I have magic mapping so I'll probably miss any others, but I don't need them anyway) 05:50 that's mine! i knew i dropped it somewhere 05:51 I've seen, like 05:51 3 peaceful monsters in this variant 05:52 <[Demo]> random WoWs are a very important part of the game 05:52 Lymia: the town levels in particular are risky places for sphere spells, due to the watchmen 05:53 aah 05:55 ~~Wait, you don't murder them all?~~ 05:55 oh, you can, but I usually do so with the help of a strong pet or two ;) 05:57 <[Demo]> whats the strongest watchman in slex? 05:58 Oh, I guess since you play slex, I should ask :D 05:58 @le?watch leader 05:58 watch leader (@) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 32 | Spd: 18 | Res: disintegrate petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 45 | Generates: special | AC: -8 | Attacks: 6d6 weapon physical, 6d6 weapon physical, 1d8 claw curse, 1d1 weapon stun | Alignment: -4 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, flies, phases, regenerates, nopoly, stalker, infravisible 05:58 <[Demo]> why does it have angel attacks? 05:58 Can you convert the random unaligned altars that spawn outside Gehennom? 05:59 <[Demo]> and why does it fly? 05:59 [Demo]: because it is a superpowered watchman :D 05:59 <[Demo]> ive never seen a flying man 05:59 Lymia: yes, you can convert Moloch altars as long as you're not in Gehennom. However, the same-race sacrifice trick to get a guaranteed chaotic altar does not work on them. 06:00 Also, Moloch may summon a bunch of hostile demons for you to fight. Be sure that your phase door technique is not on timeout :D 06:01 <[Demo]> are there watch mimics? 06:01 <[Demo]> you kick the door and it gets pissed at you for kicking it and for kicking a door 06:01 <[Demo]> and its double mad 06:02 hahaha :D 06:02 problem with watchmen is that their "all of them get mad at the player" behavior only happens on town levels 06:02 <[Demo]> damn 06:02 which means that if I add watchmen to other levels, even ones with shops, probably won't make that happen 06:03 Nethack's source code makes it seem like spaghetti due for a rewrite in a real language. 06:03 :P 06:04 ~ a long worm tail or a vibrating square (vibrating square) 06:06 heh, Nethack's (specifically SLASH'EM's) source code is how I learned to C, which means that I don't really know C, but my knowledge is good enough to ensure that SLEX is mostly stable nowadays ;) 06:11 <[Demo]> slex crashed on me one time 06:11 <[Demo]> i got mad and #quit 06:12 <[Demo]> and then the program quit running 06:12 <[Demo]> please fix, make it so it doesnt make me mad and make me #quit. thats a very dangerous bug because its actually unrecoverable 06:13 I know C only because sometimes I write low level patches to game without source code available. :D 06:13 Otherwise, I don't want to try and program anything remotely complex in it. 06:13 [Demo]: huh? you mean it's an error if you #quit and it ends the game? simple fix: don't answer "yes" to the question :P 06:14 I've thought about removing #quit entirely. On the grounds that anybody who can't figure out how to die in NetHack, really isn't trying. 06:14 Z a >? 06:14 :P 06:15 <[Demo]> but if i dont type yes then i cant get my rage out 06:16 <[Demo]> EPI: nasty trap called the quit trap that will randomly prompt you if you wanna quit with a y/n prompt every randomly around 50 turns or so 06:16 https://bilious.alt.org/?44 06:16 1/50 chance of prompting you every turn for the rest of the game? 06:16 <[Demo]> well no its a nasty trap 06:16 <[Demo]> it times out 06:17 EPI: player-character monsters can #quit, ending your game. 06:18 <[Demo]> that should be in fh 06:18 <[Demo]> for symmetry 06:18 <[Demo]> oh wait 06:18 <[Demo]> isnt that what happened to amy last jnh? 06:18 nah, that was a scroll of genocide 06:18 <[Demo]> same thing 06:18 <[Demo]> he #quit 06:18 <[Demo]> and u died 06:19 <[Demo]> woodchucks should be able to eat dungeon support beams and make the dungeon collapse on u 06:19 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 06:19 <[Demo]> what causes dungeon collapses? 06:20 [Demo]: panic() function 06:21 at least in slex you can also use #panic in wizmode to test the game's behavior in the case of a panic 06:21 <[Demo]> why do I see it called so rarely? 06:21 in-game or in the source code? in-game it should be rare for the sake of having a stable game :P 06:22 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 06:22 -!- raisse is now known as Guest45013 06:22 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 06:22 -!- Guest45013 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:22 <[Demo]> or unstable 06:22 <[Demo]> cause instead of having error handling it just segfaulta 06:22 spouse is playing with the router 06:24 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:25 <[Demo]> what in vanilla would cause a panic? 06:25 [Demo]: panic is basically a crash that the developer has anticipated, segfault is one that he didn't 06:25 It is very rare for a normal game to result in a panic; however, several bugs in NetHack 3.4.3 revolve around panics, usually involving monsters or objects being destroyed under unusual circumstances; exceptions include C343-23, "Dungeon collapses after vault guard fails to lead you out.", and C343-383, "Applying a bullwhip while hero is at edge of map may cause a panic or crash." 06:25 segfaults, ah yes. 06:26 Reason #84419 to not use C 06:26 :c 06:27 <[Demo]> also what was that dummy level tariru ended up on his first run through when astral kept breaking? 06:30 that's what I call the "trickery glitchery bug zone", normally the game would end when it thinks it has detected a trickery, but slex prevents that; you then mysteriously end up on the same level you were on, with glitchy colors, the dungeon level being reported as 0, and instability 06:33 <[Demo]> it's a very nice touch and matches my childhood nightmares very well 06:37 <[Demo]> actually a lot of things I'd previously only seen in nethack dreams are in slex 06:37 <[Demo]> its kind of uncanny 06:37 argh I forgot to get candles 06:38 actually vlad levelported out with the candelabrum so I went after him and never did anything on the top floor 06:40 <[Demo]> that's why I will never vladbane vlad 06:41 <[Demo]> cause the moment I do it'll give him a chance to use the cursed scroll he randomly got 06:44 I tried to have him swallowed by my pet purple worm but it probably wasn't high enough level 06:45 can't you use the ring of conflict to force him to be swallowed? 06:45 or would that result in the worm dying if Vlad gets the first hit 06:45 don't know, didn't think of that 06:46 also, I've been wondering... there might be a way to make the game unwinnable. Let a sentient monster pick up the candelabrum, polymorph that monster into a xorn, scare it with Elbereth until it flees deep into undiggable terrain, then genocide all phasing monsters. Can the candelabrum still be retrieved? 06:47 Because with all the wallwalking monsters genocided (or at least all the ones that are valid polymorph forms), you also can't polymorph yourself into one to retrieve the candelabrum. 06:47 And ghosts/shades don't spawn randomly and probably don't pick up items when they're generated as monsters. 06:55 You begin bashing monsters with your cockatrice corpse. You hit the high priest of Moloch with the cockatrice corpse. The high priest of Moloch is slowing down. The high priest of Moloch turns to stone. 06:55 that was easy 06:59 That food really hit the spot! You hear a slurping sound. You hear a slurping sound. You hear a slurping sound. You finish eating the food ration. 06:59 that wasn't me slurping! 07:00 <[Demo]> you can't geno earth elemental 07:00 <[Demo]> and it is a valid polyform 07:00 [Demo]: oh 07:00 well then the game would still be winnable 07:00 also I think solid rock counts as a container, so the amulet wouldn't go in (or it would pop out as soon as it wasn't in someone's inventory any more) 07:00 if you freeze lava into rock it won't hold the amulet either 07:01 (I had to freeze the moat because a dragon picked up the book and died over the water) 07:01 ice is a container too 07:01 if you genocide E you get only stalkers 07:01 or everybody would geno E before the endgame :-) 07:05 [hdf-us] [fh] MiseryMyra (Val Hum Fem Law), 12684 points, T:697, killed by a gnome lord 07:06 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 07:11 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:16 Can you drop the amulet of yender on the plane of fire, then go to the plane of water? :P 07:17 er 07:17 Or whatever the order was 07:20 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 5883 points, T:6219, killed by an invisible gnome lord 07:28 the portals don't work without the amulet IIRC 07:29 LarienTelrunya: There are a number of other more marginal ways to make the game unwinnable. Consider being stuck with cursed levitation and an angry god and no sink at the top level of a branch. 07:29 aosdict: yeah I was thinking about that too, especially with added "all nymphs and monkeys are genocided" so you can't even wait for an item-stealer 07:30 or alternately, put on a cursed -7 ring of gain constitution while holding a loadstone (or two loadstones), again with an angry god, being pushed from strained to overloaded due to the ring 07:31 can't move anymore, can't drop either the loadstone or the ring, and basically have to wait until you die 07:36 ... I mean, you can go way simpler, probably 07:37 No escape items, level 1, with an angry cat you polymorphed into an arch-lich :) 07:37 <[Demo]> that's not unwinnable, that's just delayed instadeath 07:37 Fair. :P 07:39 ais523 would still win that scenario. 07:39 Right, gotta pick something that doesn't respect E 07:39 :P 07:39 the secret is called "luck manipulation" :D 07:40 anyway, gotta go now, but will be back later 07:40 * LarienTelrunya is looking forward to continuing her slex run! 07:40 Can you actually cause rng updates without advancing the turn counter? 07:40 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:41 .0 07:43 My cat says hello 07:48 nya 07:50 * raisse mews. 07:54 <[Demo]> yea u can advance one without the other 07:58 -!- MysteryMyra has joined #hardfought 08:00 ugh the Master of Thieves' chest just dusted my rings of teleport control and searching 08:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:38214 08:06 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 08:12 [hdf-us] [nh361] Tangles (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 412 points, T:1521, killed by a homunculus 08:13 !lastgame 08:13 Tangles_: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/nh361/dumplog/1526039490.nh361.txt 08:13 Tangles_: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mandevil/fiqhack/dumplog/2018-05-11%2008%3A26%3A49%2C%20Mandevil-Arc-Hum-Mal-Law%2C%20died.txt 08:15 -!- Tangles_ is now known as Tangles 08:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 08:23 Tangles: Why is hdf-eu stuck on fiqhack lastgame-wise? 08:23 because mandevil is killing a lot of fiq arcs? 08:23 also, hi 08:24 I killed two. 08:24 raisse: But the last death was for nh361 08:25 ooh I am sorry, I appear to have become illiterate 08:25 The bot was merely announcing a billion livelog events from raisse 08:25 that bot is way too spammy livelog-wise 08:25 yes, I'm killing Rodneys by the bushel 08:25 * FIQ blames K2 08:25 you blame K2 for me killing Rodneys? 08:25 no 08:25 I blame K2 for livelog spam 08:25 STOP THE RODNEY GENOCIDE! 08:25 there is no reason it has to announce every single time someone kills Rodney 08:26 RODNEY DID NOTHING WRONG! 08:26 Mandevil: I am considering a trophy for genociding Rodney in FIQHack 08:26 I can stop causing livelog events for a while (and indeed already have, I have some real-world work I want to do) 08:26 raisse: I am not blaming you at all 08:27 you read it as "killed *by* the Wizard of Yendor"? 08:27 (I have actually been killed by the Wizard of Yendor more than once but I think never as a wizard) 08:30 raisse: Yeah that's what I read it as at first 08:30 I didn't stop to think too much over it 08:30 people get killed more than they kill Rodney, of course 08:30 only being confused over it showing a fiqhack death that happened several days ago 08:31 because, as I said, I can't read 08:31 that Mandevil had, in fact, created another such death today 08:31 and you didn't die at all 08:31 not yet anyway (expecting planes splat, I'm better at that than at ascending) 08:32 I got to the astral plane once! I've also died on the astral plane once 08:33 Unlike regular genocide, Rodney genocide has to be performed slowly and deliberately. 08:34 Rodney can be genocided in fh, but it takes deliberate AI abuse, and only when I realized that it was theoretically possible, I set out to do some minor adjustments to prevent such an activity to break everything, rather than just preventing it being possible 08:34 (I just froze the harassments) 08:35 because seeing someone pull it off is something I'd find amusing, more than anything 08:37 Lymia: welcome to the astral splat club 08:40 hello yes game I am 17500 turns in and you still have yet to provide me with reflection, MR, or a single scroll of enchant weapon. I will take any of these at your earliest convenience. 08:40 [hdf-us] [fh] Il (krm26) (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 6354 points, T:147, quit 08:43 [hdf-us] [nh361] Tangles (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 411 points, T:962, killed by a dwarf 08:58 !who 08:58 FIQ: [hdf-us] krm26 [fh] hypnotist [nh361] hothraxxa [xnh] aosdict [xnh] 08:58 FIQ: [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh361] 08:59 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:01 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 09:07 gah, died of not having any saber skill yet 09:07 aosdict, i got well past turn 30000 in this *xnh* game before i got mr or reflection 09:07 it was going so well 09:07 bag of holding as random mine level tool, amulet of reflection from a shop 09:10 ouch, just got crushed by my own boulder trap. (these are fun) 09:10 earlier I was trying to be sneaky around a nymph and the door was hingeless so that didn't go well 09:13 what is it with Mog this game. 3 temples, all Mog. 09:17 raisse :( 09:17 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-11 01:52 EDT: ah, as I expected, the grunthack crash was really a SIGFPE: apparently I had 0 max HP and it tried to divide by zero (boom :D) 09:17 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-11 01:53 EDT: yesssssss, quest works in my slex game now :) many thanks! 09:17 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-11 02:03 EDT: bugfix update ready at the slex master branch: fixes a bug with lit lightsabers that could be exploited by players (if I say what the bug is, all the drooling exploit lovers will quickly try to exploit it before you update, so I won't :D) 09:19 !tell LarienTelrunya larien, you literally have it in the changelog on slex master branch 09:19 Will do, Lymia! 09:19 !tell LarienTelrunya Those drooling exploit lovers already know :p 09:19 Will do, Lymia! 09:19 hi Lymia, I'm actually in the channel right now :) and yes, that's right, but it would require the exploit lovers to actually read the logs :D 09:19 LarienTelrunya: Message from Lymia at 2018-05-11 09:19 EDT: larien, you literally have it in the changelog on slex master branch 09:19 LarienTelrunya: Message from Lymia at 2018-05-11 09:19 EDT: Those drooling exploit lovers already know :p 09:20 which, granted, many of them probably do, but maybe not all of them? 09:20 you are underestimating people who want to do such things 09:21 * K2 waves at [Demo] 09:24 aosdict: how do you deal with a grouchy RNG that doesn't want to give you reflection or MR? the last time that happened to me was my first and so far only Splicehack game, and I resolved it by trying to storm the castle; first lieutenant had a wand of death because of course he did :P 09:25 LarienTelrunya: Call the RNG hotline and file a complaint 09:28 Become one of those drooling exploit lovers by attacking the RNG? 09:28 :p 09:28 Slash'EM Extended updated (us and eu) 09:29 woooooooohoooooooo thanks K2! and nobody was playing slex at the moment so no one could abuse the exploit! 09:30 so now I can officially tell what it was: while wielding a lit lightsaber, the player would erroneously become impervious to monsters' ranged attacks (darts, arrows, bullets and so on). 09:30 That is not a bug 09:30 Fighting with lightsabers generally involve parrying ranged projectiles 09:30 that's just what lightsabers do, judging by the star wars movies 09:30 Exactly 09:31 yeah but with 100% success rate? I'll file a complaint to LucasArts: lightsabers OP, plz nerf :P 09:31 lol as if they'll listen to you 09:31 (or indeed anyone) 09:38 hiya raisse 09:38 hi aoei 09:44 LarienTelrunya: Well I have got an "oLS, at least. 09:44 But I think I too am suffering from xnh not-enough-items syndrome. 09:45 FIQ: Doesn't fighting with lightsabers generally involve parrying *laser blasts*? 09:45 aosdict: close enough 09:46 I don't imagine they would be too effective on a mundane arrow 09:46 or a bullet 09:48 But would it work on a /oD? 09:53 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law), 101596 points, T:14490, killed by a xorn 09:54 <@Tone> LarienTelrunya: Clear the castle with the drawbridge, or go in the backdoor and let everyone drop down to votd 09:54 <@Tone> Watch out for purple Ls though 09:55 the problem with that is that you'll have everyone in the votd where there's not so much opportunity to fight in a bottleneck 09:55 <@Tone> Yes it's not ideal 09:55 <@Tone> Although there are bottlenecks in votd 09:57 but first you drop down in a random place, likely surrounded by monsters 09:58 <@Tone> Yep. You'll likely need jumping, speed, teleport to get to a safe spot 09:59 jumping won't help much in the valley, and teleport not at all 09:59 unless you teleport your enemies away 09:59 I mean jumping won't help much when you're surrounded 3 deep 09:59 (disclaimer: I don't jump often so I don't know all the ins and outs) 09:59 <@Tone> Yeah I meant teleporting away 10:00 <@Tone> And I'd probably have a cursed scroll as an escape since that's so risky to begin with 10:00 <@Tone> Honestly it's just a last resort if you have no other way of dealing with the castle 10:00 I'd rather deal with as much of the castle as I can while I'm still in the castle, and then have only the undead and an occasional hapless soldier in the valley 10:01 if you use the back door, just keep the door to the main hall closed until you've finished with the dragons 10:01 then you can fight in the doorway 10:01 or if there's a black dragon and you're already disint-resistant, have it do some of the work for you 10:02 (like disintegrate some of the other dragons if you don't need the intrinsics or the scales) 10:03 <@Tone> She doesn't want to fight them in the doorway though, she doesn't want to be zapped by wands 10:09 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 10:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 10:22 !who 10:22 K2: [hdf-us] ttc1401 [spl] 10:22 K2: [hdf-eu] No current players 10:30 ooh finally a shield of reflection on the rogue level 10:30 woot 10:33 !who 10:33 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] ttc1401 [spl] hypnotist [nh361] aosdict [xnh] 10:33 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [slex] 10:42 pfft, okay, another object materials bug 10:42 kill a leather golem, it drops... cloth armor! 10:43 You see here a w-statue of the Lich, the Fiend of Earth {1800}. 10:44 ... and there was a level teleporter on the downstair 10:45 which teleported me into a shop that sells a +7 heretic cloak, wow 10:46 how does this make any sense? https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.0/src/hack.c#L2509 10:46 why the hell would your breathlessness affect if you can fly down into lava or not? 10:46 [hdf-us] [spl] ttc1401 (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping an orcish helm on an altar, on T:4193 10:46 this code seems left over from the water code 10:55 pronged polearm ♥ 10:55 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Ran Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7466 10:56 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 10:56 [hdf-us] [spl] ttc1401 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a lindorm, on T:4830 11:03 [hdf-us] [spl] ttc1401 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5170 11:05 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:05 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 11:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 11:08 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Gol Ang Mal Law), 4935 points, T:1459, quit 11:09 !who 11:09 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] Ssach [slex] Lymia [slex] ttc1401 [slex] hypnotist [nh361] aosdict [xnh] 11:09 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [slex] Raisse [nh361] 11:10 wow so many slex players all of a sudden 11:10 ooooh a chest in a closet 11:10 methinks there is a thiefstone afoot 11:10 "Your lamp is now on. Your lamp has gone out." wow thanks 11:15 hmm balancing things is dumb 11:15 Demo__: you should play dnhslex then, it's grossly unbalanced :D 11:15 trying to figure out if its ok to give the salamander race full salamander bonus attacks when it reaches xp lvl 14 11:15 cause that shit actually does a lot of dmg 11:16 make a playable elder priest race! 11:16 no 11:17 this is like a lot of bonus dmg i think 11:17 trying to think if it makes salamander notably stronger than other races 11:17 I would work on a Nethack variant 11:17 But this means writing C 11:17 i want it to be a little bit stronger initially so ppl will play it 11:17 So maybe not 11:17 :D 11:17 nerf it after ppl accept it 11:18 that's unfair and you know it 11:21 its dnethack though so everything is so much stronger 11:21 it's dnethack so everything is unbalanced :D 11:21 its not that unbalanced 11:21 the curve is just way higher 11:22 in dnethack you basically have to get some of those uberartifacts, because the lategame is so difficult that you have no chance without them 11:22 how strong is being able to secrete a pool of lava for half your health? 11:23 depends on where it appears; if it's created underneath an enemy for an instant kill it's very powerful 11:23 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Wiz Ang Mal Law), 2584 points, T:683, quit 11:23 you create it under yourself ofcourse 11:23 and then you can use a different ability to fling lava at stuff 11:24 which is like spitting but its not spit, its a splash of lava 11:25 man I have the annoying nasty trap effect that forces me to waste a turn wielding any tool I want to apply, including my bag of holding 11:27 hmm is spear multishot a thing in vanilla? 11:27 pretty sure it is in slashem 11:28 it definitely is in slex, but I think it's not in vanilla 11:28 anyway I'll be afk for a while 11:28 <@Tone> I'd be surprised if anyone has ever carried enough spears to find out 11:28 So much #quit ing 11:28 it is a thing 11:28 I don't think you can multishot that _much_, but you can. 11:29 in 3.6 yes but only for classes that can get skilled or better in spear (like cav) 11:31 but in 3.4.3? 11:32 \o/ 11:33 dont die to something sad 11:38 do thrown spears get kebbable bonus? 11:38 I'm now basic in saber 11:38 courtesy of a couple of goblins 11:40 the watch captain had a silver saber too, and my large cat was fighting him, but stopped when she was at 6(53) and he was at 19(70) 11:40 wise cat 11:40 I'll go back when I've tamed another cat, two large cats between them can take out a watch captain 11:41 just use grays lol 11:41 oh a sidearm 11:41 i see 11:42 arcs can get expert in saber and skilled in twoweapon 11:42 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Unm Mal Cha), 8972 points, T:2614, killed by an arrow 11:51 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law), 316 points, T:910, killed by a small mimic 11:59 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law), 1418 points, T:1189, killed by a giant bat 12:03 How do you restore attributes in slex 12:11 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Red Mal Cha), 4424 points, T:1139, quit 12:11 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:13 yay expert in saber 12:17 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 12:21 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:25 and I don't *care* if my body rises from the dead as a dwarf mummy! it's in the soko4 corridor! 12:25 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Arc Hum Fem Law), 1315 points, T:4209, fell into a pit 12:26 Lymia: potion of restore ability is your best bet; spell of restore ability usually works but not always, and unicorn horn in particular has a chance of permanently not-restoring a lost point 12:27 I've realized that last part. :D 12:30 this throne room is trying to spell "GooGooGaGa" at me 12:30 * LarienTelrunya would like to see a small throne room with a few T 12:31 need a replacement polearm but the game just doesn't seem to spawn any trolls :( 12:31 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:31 oh hey good idea LarienTelrunya, I'll kill this troll and use its polearm to kill this dragon 12:32 yay polearms :) 12:32 they're almost as elegant as high-heeled shoes! 12:32 the dragon is pinned in a corner by other sleeping monsters and a boulder :D 12:32 heh, a while ago the character I'm currently playing was poking sokozoo monsters stuck behind a sleeping mumak 12:32 aw it didn't have a polearm 12:33 [hdf-us] [slex] Lymia (Mah Red Fem Cha), 572 points, T:514, killed by a monster (zombie warrior) 12:33 not sure I can take on a dragon with impunity 12:34 "You hear a splat nearby." I'm still unsure what that actually means... 12:35 someone's egging the dungeon 12:35 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 12:35 hopefully it doesn't mean that something is throwing cockatrice eggs 12:35 K2: are you planning to keep 3.4.3-nao on hardfought long term? 12:36 aosdict: toddler room 12:36 ais523: is that a problem? 12:36 because yes he has implied so 12:37