00:02 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 00:02 [hdf-us] [fh] bouquet (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 42877 points, T:5637, zombified by a human zombie 00:33 SpliceHack updated (us and eu) 00:34 AntiGulp: if you get chance look at the extrainfo patch, most variants have it (including our build of 3.6.1). shows data in the extra colum via the dgamelaunch menu 00:34 *get a chance 00:34 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:35 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 00:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 00:35 tested in-game mail w/ Splicehack, works ;) 00:35 aosdict, I've done lots of altar farming in my time and never had need of food, so long as one has a little and can generate monsters 00:38 you'll get food drops anyway. Unless you're talking about generating monsters by just "waiting" at early levels, in which case making it a lv4 spell seems to make this not an issue 00:40 it might be an issue in xnethack spellcasting as you can always cast the spell, it just costs more power 00:40 and if you were to wield the book, you could cast at half cost 00:41 still, after all that you might just get a pear or a fortune cookie for your troubles 00:44 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *poof*] 00:45 [hdf-us] [fh] BruceLeroy (mighty) (Mon Elf Mal Cha), 7869 points, T:743, killed by a Ms. Sipaliwini, the shopkeeper's wand 00:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:47 the way that sentence is written, it makes you think the wand has a name 00:52 bug_sniper_, yeah, like something out of Beauty and the Beast 00:53 Grasshopper: My philosophy can be summed up as: 1) Farming is not fun and unbalances the game; 2) However, farming is optimal as long as it's feasible to do; therefore 3) farming should be made infeasible. 00:54 3.6 already did a lot of this; altar farming is the tough nut to crack. 00:54 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:01 the game seems designed to encourage it 01:02 It is more fun than pudding farming, but it gets boring after a while. 01:03 in a way, farming brings balance to the game because it allows the player to seek more "stuff" that they may feel that they need 01:03 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 01:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 01:04 whether they actually need that "stuff" or not is another question 01:05 I personally enjoy exploring or pushing the limits of what one can do in any game 01:05 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 01:05 to an extent anyway 01:06 so long as it doesn't get boring 01:10 getting unlimited stuff opens the door to people saying "I really hate farming, but I don't think I can win without it". This is a divide I've noticed mostly between serial ascenders like you and most hdf people, and players who haven't won yet. 01:11 Stuff like: hmm, I involuntarily polymorphed and broke my cloak of MR, should I altar farm (using the monster spawns for prayers and the prayers for indefinite food) until I get another cloak or a gray dragon scale mail? 01:16 You're just as likely to summon something like an L or a golden naga or a gnome with a wand of death 01:18 I still don't mind altar farming as a temporary alternative to exploring downward, especially if say the next level down has an L or something like that there 01:18 [hdf-us] [fh] Brucey (mighty) (Mon Elf Mal Cha) killed the tourist of Fi, the former Sightseer, on T:2552 01:18 Well, I don't mean summoning. I mean sitting around doing n500s and waiting for spawns. 01:18 and you don't have MR because you polyed and broke it or whatever 01:19 I also don't mind altar farming as a _temporary_ alternative to exploring downward - but it can't be able to go on infinitely. 01:19 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 01:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 01:23 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:24 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 01:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 01:26 -!- Pavel has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:30 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 01:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:38 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:49 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:49 Beholder: ping 01:49 !ping 01:49 LarienTelrunya: Pong! 02:04 -!- NCommander has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 02:08 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:14 -!- NCommander has joined #hardfought 02:14 -!- NCommander has quit [Changing host] 02:14 -!- NCommander has joined #hardfought 02:16 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 02:18 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 02:19 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:25 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf 02:46 -!- Tangles_ has joined #hardfought 02:46 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:04 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 03:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:35 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 03:39 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:43 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 03:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 03:45 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:50 hi there 03:56 hi mcw 03:57 -!- Tangles_ is now known as Tangles 04:00 Poes misses the watchman. You hear someone praising Anhur. 04:00 "praise Anhur, it missed!" 04:00 argh, 3.6.1 *does* have poison instadeath 04:57 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 05:15 You kill the acid blob! Splat! 05:20 wow, monkeytown but half the monkeys are peaceful, the temple is coaligned, and the cat stole a blessed magic lamp for me 05:21 oh and Thoth gave me MB on the very first sac 05:36 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 05:40 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:47 raisse: i came across several of your bones recently, thanks for all the gear :) 05:48 yes, I've been killing wizards left and right 05:49 argh that was a white unicorn 05:49 and it was *lots* faster than me 05:49 that's nice gear for someone too (good chance of bones, dlvl 6) 06:02 <[Demo]> is easyhack a thing? 06:03 <[Demo]> its vanillas but pretty much everything you roll for rolls generally towards how u want it to 06:06 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:07 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 06:19 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Bar Orc Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:4173 06:21 tame nalfeshnee called Poes 06:21 raisse: ^ i think that was your cat 06:21 The priest of Crom swings his mace at Poes. The priest of Crom hits Poes. Poes is killed! 06:21 ahaha 06:22 yes, that must have been my cat 06:22 poor kitty 06:22 ex-kitty 06:22 I thought nalfeshnees were tougher than that 06:23 ahaha i think i accidentally polymorphed my chest of junk 06:26 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 06:45 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:55 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Bar Orc Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a gnome corpse, on T:5382 06:59 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 06:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 07:01 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:04 K2: that means the game wasn't exited properly. Go into the save (backup it first), change done to save on the topmost line and remove the last line (should be "Q") 07:04 FIQ: Message from K2 at 2018-05-08 23:05 EDT: --> I have a saved game in fiqhack (on hf-us) that is only available in replay mode. "bouquet Rog-orc-fem-cha killed by a Green-elf" - he wants to get rid of the game but doesnt know how. is this something I need to do (delete the save) or can the player resolve this on their end? 07:08 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:11 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 07:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 07:12 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6848 07:21 -!- Demo__ has joined #hardfought 07:24 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 07:37 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 2254 points, T:4185, quit 07:40 [hdf-us] [nh343] pavelek (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1055 points, T:1472, killed by a boulder 07:43 winny, in my game Poes is a balrog 07:43 raisse ^ 07:43 nice Grasshopper 07:43 Status of Poes (chaotic): Level 24 HP 192(192) AC -14, tame, fast. 07:44 she wears an amulet of reflection and wields a +2 longsword 07:44 weapon to be improved, maybe with an artifact or something even better 07:45 raisse provides mercenaries for you all now? 07:45 yes! 07:45 she trains them first 07:45 nice 07:45 we just give them new roles 07:46 Poes has been with me since the early mines 07:46 she is a survivor 07:47 @mtf https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2390 reminds me of ADOM's scroll of random uselessness 07:48 FIQ tears welled in my eyes as I read that 07:49 getting through Plane of Air on the power of friendship 07:49 and physics 07:50 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:51 !#?&* elf kibble! You finish eating the lembas wafer. 07:51 heh nice 07:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:52 i submitted that quote FIQ :) 07:52 too good 08:00 thanks FIQ 08:02 K2: the problem is that he died, or quit 08:02 but decided to kill the session 08:02 which does.. that 08:06 lol 08:07 i just wielded cursed speed boots and wasted my blessed scroll of enchant armor 08:07 i was so confused for a moment 08:07 i forgot to type shift 08:22 i think i nkow the answer to this question, if i can keep on sacrificing until an altar is converted right? 08:23 as long as my alignment is good 08:23 yes 08:23 as long as your alignment is good and you aren't sacrificing an unicorn of your own alignment 08:23 !who 08:23 FIQ: [hdf-us] mightyquinn [sp] winny [nh361] Grasshopper [nh361] 08:23 FIQ: [hdf-eu] No current players 08:23 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 08:24 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:26 ahaha 08:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 17376 points, T:10568, killed by a lynx 08:26 yasd 08:28 was too stacked tbh 08:28 rip winny, was too stacked 08:41 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 66456 points, T:23027, killed by a tiger, while disrobing 08:43 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:45 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:45 -!- MisteryMyra has joined #hardfought 08:46 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:49 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 08:49 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] lel (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2463 points, T:453, killed by a small aklys 08:50 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 08:51 -!- krm has joined #hardfought 08:51 -!- MisteryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:52 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 1287 points, T:1912, killed by a giant spider 08:53 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 08:53 FIQ did you see the pm i sent you last night? krm's save? 08:54 -!- MisteryMyra has joined #hardfought 08:57 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:00 -!- MisteryMyra is now known as MiseryMyra 09:01 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 2616 points, T:3986, killed by a mumak 09:05 I did not 09:05 Will look into itwhen back home 09:06 !tell FIQ check krm save 09:06 Will do, FIQ! 09:07 Heh, thanks, FIQ :-) 09:07 I'm a lot of trouble 09:24 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 09:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1903 points, T:2635, quit 09:39 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2617 09:50 raisse: got another of your bones :D 09:51 What do you want to sacrifice? [TV or ?*] 09:51 yes, gladly, if I had one 09:51 the tv of course! 09:51 nethack is so much more entertaining 09:52 thanks for the 3 wands of striking 09:52 and MR i assume 09:53 probably, I think I've only been playing gnome wizards so far in 3.6.1 09:53 lol u had a magic lamp too 09:56 oh right, that one 09:56 last bones also had a magic lamp 09:56 I think I found another wizard's bones and picked up their wands 09:59 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 12 darts on an altar, on T:3907 10:09 GRR poison instadeath again 10:09 I'm almost angry enough to go back to xnh 10:10 throne room bugbear with poison arrow he'd picked up from the Uruk-hai 10:12 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 27819 points, T:25634, killed by a bolt of lightning, while praying 10:15 back 10:15 FIQ: Message from FIQ at 2018-05-09 09:06 EDT: check krm save 10:15 will do 10:16 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 10:17 You finish eating the centipede corpse. You feel healthy. 10:17 -!- krm has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:18 raisse: why'd you ever leave? :P 10:18 because I wanted to play "real" 3.6.1 10:23 do you document what patches u added K2 jw 10:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] lel (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 743 points, T:732, killed by a crow 10:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] lel (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 90 points, T:278, killed by a sewer rat 10:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] lel (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 109 points, T:248, killed by a poisonous corpse 10:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] lel (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 413 points, T:398, killed by contaminated water 10:54 -!- Pavel has joined #hardfought 11:01 <@mtf> FIQ: that is hilarious 11:02 <@mtf> far funnier than ADOM's potion of uselessness xD 11:02 <@mtf> though it doesn't give you an artifact like the potion 😛 11:05 If I type `33s`, will I stop searching after finding something, or will it always do the full 33 searches? 11:05 <@mtf> first one 11:06 Cool 11:13 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:20 -!- Pavel has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:29 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:35 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:52 -!- Pavel has joined #hardfought 11:54 TFW hidden trapped door leads to hidden passage leading to a closet 11:55 !who 11:55 aosdict: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] 11:55 aosdict: [hdf-eu] No current players 12:00 -!- Pavel has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] lel (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1892 points, T:538, killed by a rothe 12:03 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 12:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] lel (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1774 points, T:660, killed by a gnome 12:22 [hdf-us] [dyn] lel (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 510 points, T:1037, killed by Mr. Asidonhopo, the shopkeeper 12:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:30 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 12:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6] by ChanServ 12:44 winny: yes we do via whichever github repo we're working off of for that particular variant or game 12:46 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] xhypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 68 points, T:467, killed by a goblin 12:54 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 13:02 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 13:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Pri Hum Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:24979 13:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Pri Hum Fem Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:24979 13:10 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] xhypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 262 points, T:2510, killed by a wererat 13:19 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:20 [hdf-us] [slex] lel (Art Dra Mal Cha), 50 points, T:60, killed by a monster (algolian suntiger) 13:21 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 13:24 [hdf-us] [slex] lel (Mar Scu Fem Cha), 294 points, T:204, killed by a shotgun shell 13:27 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 777 points, T:1516, killed by a dwarf, while fainted from lack of food 13:28 -!- Pavel has joined #hardfought 13:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Pri Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:25823 13:30 shit, bagoban 13:32 Can you only write scrolls you've ID'd? 13:32 You don't know how to write that. You write "Pavel was here!" and the scroll disappears. 13:33 more or less 13:33 there's a chance, depends on luck 13:33 (wizards get a large bonus to that check as well) 13:34 "Vorpal Blade beheads the mumak!" aw yiss 13:37 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 13:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 13:40 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 13:41 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:42 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:47 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 13:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 14:02 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 14:02 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:02 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:03 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 14:11 [hdf-us] [fh] Brucey (mighty) (Mon Elf Mal Cha), 50143 points, T:6373, killed by a rothe 14:13 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 14:13 Hey, I just got attacked by a hobbit while playing a dwarf. Aren't hobbits supposed to be friendly in that case? 14:16 @mtf some rld bounces recently, not sure if it's anything to worry about 14:16 <@mtf> yea I saw this 14:16 <@mtf> I think it's reconnected? 14:17 obviously :P 14:18 another giant beehive. i'm not sure how eric dehaffa will feel about this 14:19 Q: if slex had an option (that defaults to off but can be turned on at any time) which reinstates the old 52 item limit for the inventory, would players use it? 14:21 <@mtf> there is never anything wrong with more options 14:21 <@mtf> somebody will find a use for it 14:21 aosdict: aww, no #force on doors with blunt weapons? I want to smash those stupid doors :P 14:21 you can do that with your foot 14:21 <@mtf> I'd personally just rather a way to reorganize #'s easier 14:21 <@mtf> like, a drop all # items 14:22 well you can always d#d#d#d#d#d# until all of them have been dropped, although I admit it's tedious if you have very many items 14:22 LarienTelrunya: aren't you super into shoes? I thought that kicking doors down would be your only method of opening them. 14:22 <@mtf> It is super tedious 😛 14:22 <@mtf> a one stop shop for dropping all of them would be a huge UI improvement 14:22 aosdict: hahaha :D kicking wakes monsters though, forcing does not (at least in slashem) 14:22 -!- Pavel has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:23 ok but I'd expect forcing a door via bashing it down with a weapon *should* make noise 14:23 and probably even prying it open too 14:23 also, I really like your shiny monsters idea, will probably implement :) 14:23 <@mtf> hell that should make more noise 14:24 <@mtf> kicking is nowhere near as powerful as smashing a door with a mace 14:24 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:25 actually, I'd like to kick a locked door open in real life once, but from where would I get a disposeable door for that? :P 14:25 firefighters use axes to break doors, right? 14:27 !who 14:27 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] lel [slex] hypnotist [nh361] hothraxxa [xnh] 14:27 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] Tariru [slex] 14:27 !whereis Tariru 14:27 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] Tariru is not currently playing on this server. 14:27 well damn, whereis somehow doesn't want to work correctly when the player is in a branch (should display Sheol:99) 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed ring of slow digestion named Foodbane", on T:5536 14:31 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 14:32 -!- elenmirie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40 <@Winsalot> wut 14:40 hi Winsalot! how's tricks? 14:42 <@Winsalot> tricks? 14:42 "how's tricks" is basically the same as "what's up?" 14:42 <@Winsalot> oh 14:42 <@Winsalot> Well, kinda feeling discourage d from playing martials-based role in slex 14:43 aww :( 14:43 <@Winsalot> Cos not sure about to-hit chance 14:43 only because of the +4 thing? 14:43 <@Winsalot> Also +1,+2,+3 thing 😃 14:44 <@Winsalot> And weapon-using roles are also nasty, since every good weapon dulls or gets stolen 14:44 lol my wizmoded psion started with a DEX of 3 14:44 <@Winsalot> This is worse than any nasty trap 14:44 you can prevent the dulling by greasing the weapon 14:45 and the stealing by zapping the weapon with make invisible :P (monsters that see invisible can still steal it, but most item-stealers don't have that ability) 14:46 <@Winsalot> lso are there any other roles that get lots of intristics but don't suffer from monk's penalties? 14:46 <@Winsalot> like psion for example 14:46 pokemon :D those have no weapon skills at all though 14:46 <@Winsalot> ew 14:47 wandkeeper also gets a lot, but is slow (speed 10 instead of 12) 14:47 <@Winsalot> Any other roles that are not related to anime? 14:47 wandkeeper isn't related to anime :D 14:47 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:47 also why don't you like anime-related roles? mahou shoujo are fun to play! 14:49 <@Winsalot> https://i.redd.it/o4jnkcfn0qv01.jpg 14:49 wandkeepers are great 14:50 unless your startinv wand of charging has no charges 14:50 then just #quit and try again 14:50 lol, when seeing that image, I wonder if I should add tuxies to slex :D will players kill them with extreme prejudice if I do? 14:50 angel american gladiator is quite fun too winsalot 14:50 not many resistances, but tons of techniques 14:51 no wep skills tho, but it's not super hard to hit 14:52 <@Winsalot> Have you tried slex binders? 14:52 yes, don't like them 14:53 slex binder is teh r0xx0r, I ascended one in ironman mode :P 14:53 I like dnh binders too mcuh sry 14:53 <@Winsalot> Btw, do dnethack binders really have no skills? 14:53 <@Winsalot> Or is it just what dnethack shows at #enhance 14:55 dnh binders learn skills when binding spirits, but I always die before I even manage to bind a single one 14:55 slex binders, on the other hand, can learn every single skill in the game! 14:56 rikersan: would you like slex binders if they were called something else? :D 14:56 e.g. "skillmaster" 15:00 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:00 Go Team Shopkeeper! 15:00 <@Winsalot> hm 15:01 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 15:01 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 15:06 LarienTelrunya: what's the name of the monster that appears when you kill Moldoux the Defenceless Mold? 15:06 @le?great wyrm of power 15:06 great wyrm of power (w) | Lvl: 85 | Diff: 75 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire cold sleep disintegrate shock poison acid magic | Confers: fire cold disintegrate shock poison acid | MR: 100 | Generates: special | AC: -16 | Attacks: 8d12 claw physical, 8d12 claw physical, 10d14 bite physical, 10d14 bite physical, 10d14 breath random breath | Alignment: 0 | Flags: carnivore, oviparous, regenerates, nopoly 15:06 ^^ 15:06 I just needed the name, thanks 15:06 the idea is originally from ToME, where it functions exactly the same 15:07 <@Winsalot> Btw what kind of techniques does binder learn at some skills? 15:07 <@Winsalot> Will I learn silenc ocean if I train trident? 15:08 Winsalot: silent ocean is available to every character in theory, but in practice it requires master trident skill, which binders cannot reach unless they manage to increase their cap (which is a very rare effect from sitting on a throne) 15:08 you will, however, learn power surge with expert trident skill as a binder 15:08 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Binder_(role_in_Slash%27em_Extended) (outdated, but I'll want to add the missing skills one day) 15:09 also shit, I didn't make sure that I actually have enough money for a large consultation from the oracle, and got the weird P/NP theorem consultation instead :( 15:11 now I lost a bunch of money and didn't get the benefits of a large consultation! 15:11 slex has jokes about P and NP? 15:12 aosdict: I dare you to try to get a large consultation from the oracle in xnethack while not having enough money to do so :D 15:12 (yes the xnethack bit is not a typo) 15:12 pfft 15:12 <@Winsalot> a spellbook of cutting {0} ? 15:13 Winsalot: if you want to know what a spell does, get the spellbook's description (one day I want to make it so that it can also be accessed from the spell menu) 15:14 <@Winsalot> Eek! Please don't! Forget this spell before you make the mistake of casting it! 15:14 <@Winsalot> can you elaborate? 😃 15:14 if you cast it, you will do... things to your body :( 15:14 <@Winsalot> I'm intrigued ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 15:14 that said, it will train the body spell skill, but you might die 15:14 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:15 the damage can be up to 80, so casting it with less than 81 HP is probably a bad idea 15:15 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 15:16 <@Winsalot> how much will it train by body skill? 15:17 same as the spell level, I think it's a level 1 spell so only one point per cast (need 20 to reach basic) 15:17 <@Winsalot> Doggo eats a feminist corpse named AmyBSOD {1450}. 15:17 noooooooou! 15:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8288 15:20 <@Winsalot> wtf 15:21 <@Winsalot> level drain killed me? 15:21 yeah, that can happen 15:21 <@Winsalot> Like just random insadeath? 15:22 no, you ran out of hit points because the lost level reduced both your current and max HP 15:23 hmm, this graveyard that I just entered has a psion corpse named Winsalot 15:29 True to her word, the Oracle casually says: "Monsters with the flickerer egotype are IMMUNE to your melee and missile attacks. Don't plug away like an idiot, use wands or spells instead!" 15:30 <@Winsalot> Can I eat humans If I'm insectoid? 15:30 <@Winsalot> I mean does it count as cannibalism? 15:30 yes, you can eat them without penalties :) 15:30 you can also offer them on altars without getting the same-race-sacrifice penalties 15:30 <@Winsalot> You feel evil and fiendish! 15:31 <@Winsalot> what does it mean? 15:31 ah, that means you get +1 alignment for eating them 15:31 <@Winsalot> #justchaoticthings 15:31 yeah, chaotic is probably still the best alignment 15:32 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:37 I ♥ polearms :) 15:39 LarienTelrunya: honestly yes I kinda would 15:39 (renaming binder) 15:39 apply b! "The hilted polearm hits it!" apply b! "The hilted polearm hits it!" apply b! "The hilted polearm hits it!" apply b! "You kill it!" easy killing of monsters trapped in sokoban pits! 15:39 dnh binder is far and away my favorite role 15:40 rikersan: heh 15:40 and it kinda just feels like a shittier copy 15:40 <@Winsalot> Btw, summon team ant is kinda useless. Summons level 1-3 ants that do nothing cos all enemies are higher level 15:40 rld: psychological effect of expecting something else because it shares the same name? :D 15:40 should be higher at higher xplvls? 15:40 I'm not using rld this time amy :p 15:40 also what's silent ocean 15:40 (reading backscroll) 15:40 go Tariru go 15:41 Winsalot: try to use the tech at deeper dungeon levels, then it has a higher chance of summoning stronger ants (though admittedly it can still give you the useless level 0 ant) 15:41 rikersan: sorry, just hit tab after typing r apparently and it autocompleted the wrong name 15:41 ah 15:41 side note - you should port dnh's oilskin cloak 15:41 it protects your inventory not just your armor 15:42 slex has scuba helmets and other items that protect your entire inventory from water ;) 15:42 so? 15:42 also lol scuba helmets? 15:42 no need to change the oilskin cloak 15:42 why don't divers start with them 15:42 they're a randomized appearance 15:42 "scuba helmet - restricts vision to 3 squares, but protects vs water" 15:42 eh 15:43 and you wanted to know what silent ocean does: "Using this technique will try to cancel all ; and I monsters in a rather large area around you. Also, while the technique is active, you have swimming and magical breathing, plus your items are protected from water damage and drowning attacks cannot harm you. If the technique is about to run out, you get a message so you can get out of the water. However, you also cannot cas 15:43 cast spells? 15:43 huh interesting 15:43 does slex use an underwater item thing similar to dnh? 15:43 or just vanilla underwater-ness 15:43 extra gimmick: silent ocean stops the bubbles on the plane of water from moving :D 15:43 huh, no idea what dnethack does to underwater items 15:44 it's cool 15:44 dnh adds breathing and similar for swimming as well 15:44 if you can #swim (pirates, binders with enki, dunno what else) 15:44 then you can dive underwater for 3-7 turns (based on con) 15:44 during which you can pick up items from the floor 15:44 if you run out of air, you come back up immediately 15:44 oh, that reminds me, why did you die on Dagon's swamp? do you not automatically resurface if you run out of breath with adjacent land? 15:45 you do 15:45 I wasn't adjacent 15:45 ah 15:45 the travel command assumed since i could fly, 3d water was a non-issue 15:45 the 5 breaths i had with like 17 con meant I could get 5 squares from land before drowning :/ 15:45 ouch 15:45 interestingly enough I just killed another character a similar way 15:46 what??? didn't Chris fix it? 15:46 pirate was underwater, but picking up an item made me burdened 15:46 so I couldn't resurface 15:46 it was an instadeath tho, since it was on my last breath :/ 15:46 wtf you don't autodrop heavy items? 15:46 vanilla would do that 15:46 well this was just a magic lamp 15:46 I'm not sure exactly why I couldn't come up 15:46 [hdf-us] [dyn] Please nerf Tariru (Luxidream) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1087620 points, T:36051, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dynahack/dumplog/2018-05-09%2015_46_47%2C%20Please%20nerf%20Tariru-Kni-Hum-Mal-Law%2C%20ascended.txt 15:46 did Chris plan to mess up like that :P 15:46 no loadstone, iron ball, etc. 15:47 oh god luxi I thought that was actually tariru ascending slex 15:47 Luxidream: you should start your own slex ascension streak to provide some competition for Tariru :D 15:47 anyway amy you should seriosuly port that 15:47 (water mechanics) 15:48 lol 15:48 it's quite fun and would go well with slex's weirdness 15:48 congrats @Luxidream 15:48 rikersan: yeah right, because I want slex to be such a bugged mess where you don't resurface even if you should be able to :P 15:48 LarienTelrunya: eh then just disable that bit 15:48 grappling hook while swimming works as well 15:48 (snag off the bottom) 15:49 again basically my entire motivation here is "divers are fun but I don't like my stuff rusting to shit" 15:50 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:50 <@luxidream> warming up for june, making sure I can still play 15:51 <@luxidream> slex will probably have to happen then - team does need trophies after all 15:51 hi 15:51 Hello bouquet, Welcome to #hardfought 15:54 Luxidream: you can do it :D streaking slex is probably comparable to speedrunning super kaizo mario, but the latter has also been done successfully so it's not all that impossible 15:54 K2 - my mysterious save game is there "kill by a green elf". Should I be able to get rid of it myself or is that the sysop's job? 15:55 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 15:56 also amy +1 I like your "healing scrolls n co don't blank" 15:56 [hdf-us] [slex] Tmasher (Ice Sus Mal Cha), 59 points, T:223, killed by a monster (crude turret) 15:59 heh, thanks :) it's mainly so that you can't get essentially unlimited fodder for the magic marker 15:59 EPI: scrolls of healing will be destroyed if they would have been blanked. (nope I won't implement that) 15:59 -!- Pavel has joined #hardfought 16:01 ah I see 16:01 quite nice for accidents tho 16:01 !tell Chris_ANG idea: #fly command ala #swim to toggle flying. only really relavent for swimming but still useful 16:01 Will do, rikersan! 16:04 Is ZAPM close enough to Nethack that I shouldn't need to read the manual? 16:04 bouquet I have to edit the save file. you had an incorrect shutdown with that game 16:04 FIQ showed me what to do, i just need time to do it 16:05 i'll get to it later tonight most likely 16:05 ZAPM feels like just NetHack with a scifi skin, actually. 16:06 more like slex with a scifi skin 16:06 you obviously haven't been probed by a little grey alien yet, or had an abortion at robotown 16:07 I literally just started 16:07 <@kritixilithos> one of the reasons why nethack catches me is the fantasy background. I didn't like it when I played a scifi role, the anachronaut in dnh 16:15 K2: can you give me the save before you edit it 16:16 there might be a reason it ended up that way that doesn't involve an untimely disconnect 16:16 or kill 16:16 -!- riker has joined #hardfought 16:16 rikersan: ZAPM is nothing like slex 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:13740 16:26 <@mtf> I prefer fantasy over sci-fi as well, but sometimes sci-fi feels like fantasy (see cogmind) 16:27 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:29 will do FIQ 16:30 -!- theRaisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:31 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 16:34 IMO, the most annoying part of ZAPM is having to always press `f` to attack so yu don't start hitting thing with a gun 16:38 <@kritixilithos> well medieval fantasy 16:38 <@kritixilithos> is what I meant 16:39 <[Demo]> zapm is great 16:39