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00:46 <MiseryMyra> I found my old pet on another person's bones file
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01:49 <LarienTelrunya> .
01:49 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: Message from Tariru_ at 2018-05-07 12:00 EDT: Got a crash whilst clearing out a level in Gehennom, happened while I was killing some named mind flayers
01:49 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: Message from Tariru_ at 2018-05-07 12:01 EDT: Autorecovery seems to have worked though.
01:49 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: Message from @Winsalot at 2018-05-07 15:29 EDT: how does unarmed damage / martial arts interact with monsters that need specific enchantment to hit?
01:49 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: Message from @Winsalot at 2018-05-07 16:31 EDT: https://imgur.com/a/iB40DF1 acessing pokedex of myself in the same turn gives different information? Curses again?
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01:51 <LarienTelrunya_> stupid internet explorer why do you reset my webchat tab
01:51 <LarienTelrunya_> !tell Winsalot works as intended, the pokedex will randomly give stats of either your base role or race ;)
01:51 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya_!
01:51 <LarienTelrunya_> !tell Tariru weird... can't really tell what's going on, but maybe a core dump was created
01:51 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya_!
01:52 <LarienTelrunya_> !tell K2 hmm, apparently Tariru had a segfault in slex yesterday; automatic recovery worked, so he can go on playing, but can you check whether there's a core dump? with a backtrace I might be able to see why it happened ;)
01:52 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya_!
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02:02 <FIQ> K2: are you implying that fh is poorly optimized
02:11 <LarienTelrunya> huh, jonadab isn't here :( and the EPI page is also down
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02:15 <LarienTelrunya> yaaaaaaay jonadab! you're back! ♥
02:35 <LarienTelrunya> !tell K2 slex update ready at the current master branch: fixes some potential dumplog-related segfaults, some minor interface improvements, and changes the previously borked bones file routine to a better one ;)
02:35 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya!
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07:00 <LarienTelrunya> bhaak: whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat you REALLY made it so that the amulet teleports after being dropped??? and I thought evil patch ideas only exist in slex :P
07:03 <aosdict> I'd personally like to find some replacement for the mechanic that the Amulet makes spellcasting cost more (because that hits spellcasters and completely ignores everyone else).
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07:08 <[Demo]> if it's so powerful how come it doesn't make u stronger?
07:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] xhypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 160 points, T:853, killed by a coyote, while fainted from lack of food
07:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] xhypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 13 points, T:209, killed by a falling object
07:20 <jonadab> aosdict: Make the Amulet block regeneration of HP and Pw?
07:20 <jonadab> EPI: and if you drop it, it returns to the Sanctum.
07:21 <LarienTelrunya> jonadab: actually, it should drop to a random level below you, so you have to search everywhere. And if you enter the floor that it's on and the floor in question is not the sanctum, the amulet has a 1 in 3 chance of levelporting down randomly again.
07:21 <LarienTelrunya> Without ever giving a message that it did, of course. :D
07:41 <nooodle> wooo just encountered my first bones that i've ever found playing on hardfought.org
07:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] xhypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 310 points, T:2509, killed by a large cat
07:42 <nooodle> and it was myself, lol. Seriously makes me wonder what the bones pool number is set to
07:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 151198 points, T:37159, killed by a panther
07:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 66 points, T:135, killed by a little dog called Fritz
07:51 <K2> FIQ: not implying anything
07:51 <Beholder> K2: Message from LarienTelrunya_ at 2018-05-08 01:52 EDT: hmm, apparently Tariru had a segfault in slex yesterday; automatic recovery worked, so he can go on playing, but can you check whether there's a core dump? with a backtrace I might be able to see why it happened ;)
07:51 <Beholder> K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-08 02:35 EDT: slex update ready at the current master branch: fixes some potential dumplog-related segfaults, some minor interface improvements, and changes the previously borked bones file routine to a better one ;)
07:52 <bhaak> LarienTelrunya: I see you can always improve on my evilness
07:52 <LarienTelrunya> :D
07:53 <bhaak> the drop mechanism was to make people stop drop grinding when casting
07:53 <bhaak> it is a no-brainer. drop amulet, cast, pick it up again.
07:53 <bhaak> completely ignoring the cast penalties
07:54 <bhaak> in UnNetHack you have to make a choice. choices are good :)
07:54 <K2> LarienTelrunya compiling
07:55 <LarienTelrunya> K2: yay :)
07:55 <LarienTelrunya> bhaak: in slex you simply cannot drop the amulet, and therefore also not circumvent the penalty :P
07:55 <LarienTelrunya> (throwing it doesn't work either, I basically re-used the loadstone code)
07:56 <bhaak> but it can be stolen?
07:57 <K2> Slash'EM Extended updated (us and eu)
07:58 <K2> LarienTelrunya i see a coredump
07:58 <K2> one sec
07:58 <LarienTelrunya> bhaak: yes, of course
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07:59 <LarienTelrunya> K2: thanks for the update, just verified that my save on hdf-eu still loads: it does! :)
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08:01 <K2> LarienTelrunya --> http://termbin.com/jdqx
08:01 <LarienTelrunya> thanks! something with long worms again :(
08:02 <LarienTelrunya> apparently a long worm tried to move and the game choked when trying to place a segment?!
08:03 <LarienTelrunya> "worm=worm@entry=0x2157b70" I guess that means a worm did in fact exist
08:04 <LarienTelrunya> but maybe seg->wx or seg->wy had invalid coordinates
08:04 <K2> SpliceHack updated (us and eu)
08:05 <LarienTelrunya> !tell Tariru Your crash seems to be related to long worms. Those have been bugged earlier, although I still haven't been able to narrow down the exact cause. Did you see any long worms shortly before you crashed, and if yes, did they do anything unusual?
08:05 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya!
08:10 <[Demo]> look out for long worms!
08:11 <bhaak> LarienTelrunya: have you changed them? otherwise you could look at the changes in unnethack or other variants.
08:11 <bhaak> for a long time in 3.4.3, the only real nemeses were the long worm crashes
08:11 <LarienTelrunya> bhaak: I've applied one of the 3.6.x bugfixes that's supposed to fix them crashing when trying to split a 1HP long worm
08:12 <LarienTelrunya> apart from that they're unchanged, but then again, SLASH'EM is different from vanilla NetHack so maybe there's some unknown bug
08:12 <bhaak> ah, I remember the 1 HP bug. but I almost certain that there were more issues
08:16 <aosdict> jonadab: Making the Amulet block regen just means that you'll be dropping it and standing in one place for a long time instead of dropping it, casting a spell or two, and then moving on.
08:17 <bhaak> evil idea, make it sip away HP :-)
08:18 <bhaak> if you want to be extremely evil, make it leech off max HP
08:24 <jonadab> aosdict: BUt what if it goes back to the Sanctum if you drop it?
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08:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] jonadab (Cav Gno Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4615
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09:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:30179
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10:42 <rld> <@Winsalot> Yo guys, can anyone help me setup irc? I decided that disord kinda sucks, though its very good compared to some other alternatives
10:42 <Beholder> @Winsalot: Message from LarienTelrunya_ at 2018-05-08 01:51 EDT: works as intended, the pokedex will randomly give stats of either your base role or race ;)
10:45 <rld> <@Winsalot> Like how do I get this remote server that everyone here seems to be using?
10:46 <rld> <@Winsalot> What is the preferred IRC interface if Im on xubuntu?
10:47 <dtype> @Winsalot there are several, and I'm sure folks here will have suggestions. I'm also a fan of irccloud.com
10:47 <dtype> browser based client. Works well.
10:49 <aosdict> @winsalot how much do you like terminals? irssi and weechat are the general go-tos which run in a terminal
10:49 <aosdict> also are you planning to set up a bouncer or home server to run your client constantly?
10:50 <rld> <@Winsalot> I would prefer to setup server I think. Though im not sure how important that is
10:50 <rld> <@Winsalot> Also I have no servers of my own 😃
10:53 <aosdict> IRC doesn't show you messages that were sent while your client was disconnected. So if you have a desktop you're okay with running constantly, that suffices. If you don't particularly care about missing messages or are okay with going to Discord to get the messages, that suffices too.
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10:56 <rld> <@Winsalot> Hm, bot will still message me once I log back on if someone leaves a message with !tell right?
10:58 <dtype> @Winsalot yes, bots often will, although they're not really built into IRC. They're a side thing.
10:58 <dtype> but yes, if you're in a channel with a bot that supports such a thing. works great.
11:08 <rld> <@Winsalot> Ok, now I'm kinda confused on how to rgister freenode nick.  According to freenode instructions I need to type /msg NickServ REGISTER password youremail@example.com somehwere
11:08 <rld> <@Winsalot> not sure where
11:09 <aosdict> you have to be connected to the network, with the nick you want to register
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11:42 <rld> <@Winsalot> Does anyone know, if I have an item equiped as alternate weapon will I still get it's passive effects?
11:42 <rld> <@Winsalot> In slex in this case
11:42 <rld> <@Winsalot> Like I wield it and then press x
11:43 <rld> <@Winsalot> nvm 😃
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12:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Kni Hum Fem Law), 11133 points, T:10740, killed by a system shock
12:16 <rld> <@Winsalot> finally conected to wifi with my terminal-only laptop 😄
12:17 * aosdict gives Winsalot a blessed spellbook of the Arch Wiki
12:17 <aosdict> nice thing about arch is the wiki is fantastic
12:17 <rld> <@Winsalot> Hm, mtf and others convinced me to not use arch
12:17 <rld> <@Winsalot> I'm using ubuntu server now 😃
12:18 <rld> <@Winsalot> At least I am already familliar how to run sudo apt install 😃
12:24 <rld> <@mtf> hahah remember what I said about power users? that would be aos
12:24 <aosdict> oh well the Arch wiki is still pretty relevant for a lot of things even if you don't use arch
12:25 <aosdict> @mtf I'm not sure I'd consider myself a power user... the set of things I use this laptop for is pretty small
12:26 <rld> <@mtf> I'd wager my rent that anybody who develops nethack or nethack variants is a linux power user
12:28 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya. Boom. Counterexample.
12:28 <bhaak> ^ what he said
12:28 <aosdict> give me your rentz
12:29 <rld> <@mtf> she's not??? really
12:29 <aosdict> she, for some reason, sticks with Windows
12:29 <rld> <@mtf> dammit amy, I needed that rent money
12:31 <bhaak> do you really find it surprising that the slex dev has special preferences?
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12:32 <rld> <@mtf> I think deep down inside I knew it to be true, I just didn't want to believe it
12:34 <dtype> i'm still going to pitch irccloud.com for folks that are uninterested in spending their lives configuring irc clients. ;)
12:34 <dtype> their paid service is also a 24x7 proxy, but not necessary
12:34 <dtype> (also has a nice iphone/android app so you can get pinged when you get nick mentioned. Kind of turns irc into slack)
12:34 <rld> <@mtf> seems neat
12:35 <rld> <@mtf> you could... also just get discord, and come to our side of the bridge 😛
12:35 <dtype> nah, if i'm going something else proprietary, will be slack. I idle on a half dozen slack instances
12:35 <rld> <@mtf> I use slack for work, it's not that much different than discord IMO
12:36 <rld> <@mtf> definitely more fully featured
12:36 <aosdict> slack is very annoyingly resource heavy on my browser
12:36 <rld> <@mtf> but I like that discord is more tied into the gaming world
12:41 <rld> <Winsalot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/443452503628054540/IMG_20180508_193321696.jpg
12:42 <rld> <@Winsalot> Beautiful :). Nethakc is alrwady playable
12:42 <dtype> I approve of the cpu
12:43 <dtype> i like the little low voltage U7xxx
12:43 <dtype> laptop cpus make great little fanless servers (if you need local server)
12:51 <rld> <@Winsalot> I guess I will need some sort of window manager now. Is that right?
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12:58 <aosdict> not really, for ubuntu server...
13:01 <LarienTelrunya> @Winsalot: trying to catch up to the backscroll, most of the time off-hand weapons won't give their special effects, but if the effects themselves are bad (interface screw effects on some artifacts for example) then they may still apply :P
13:03 <LarienTelrunya> and about the discord/irc thing: this channel has logs, so you won't miss any messages either way ;)
13:04 <LarienTelrunya> @mtf: hahahahahahaha I guess you lost that bet :P It's true, I grew up with windows. Used 3.1 when I was little, then 95, 98, thankfully skipped the awfulness that is ME, and am now using XP at home and 7 at work.
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13:07 <aosdict> I think mtf's main question was along the lines of, why do you continue to use Windows when Linux is available.
13:07 <aosdict> AntiGulp: Finished my object materials port and am now pulling in splicehack features :)
13:07 <AntiGulp> aosdict: aaaaaaaay
13:07 <Beholder> AntiGulp: Message from K2 at 2018-05-06 12:03 EDT: thanks for the heads up. SpliceHack is updated
13:07 <Beholder> AntiGulp: Message from K2 at 2018-05-07 22:57 EDT: posted an issue on your splicehack github page, along with a solution
13:07 <AntiGulp> I've been incorporating a lot of your suggested changes, and wow have things improved.
13:08 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: well I dunno, if you have used a specific operating system (say, Unix) since the age of 6 and then, 25 years later, someone tells you to use a different OS (say, Windows), would you make the switch? probably not :D
13:09 <LarienTelrunya> that said, at work I have a unix VM that I use for slex-related stuff sometimes
13:09 <aosdict> As a developer, Linux is a lot friendlier though.
13:09 <aosdict> Though you code in wordpad so I'm not sure there's any hope.
13:09 <LarienTelrunya> :P
13:09 <LarienTelrunya> wordpad rox!
13:11 <AntiGulp> K2: I'm working on implementing livelogging right now, using Tangles code. Hopefully I should have that done relatively soon.
13:13 <LarienTelrunya> !who
13:13 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] fusillade [nh361] 
13:13 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [slex] 
13:13 <LarienTelrunya> !whereis AmyBSOD
13:13 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] AmyBSOD is not currently playing on this server.
13:13 <LarienTelrunya> wat
13:13 <LarienTelrunya> wtf I'm playing on hdf-eu, is whereis broken?
13:13 <LarienTelrunya> !who
13:13 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] fusillade [nh361] 
13:13 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [slex] BSOD2 [slex] 
13:13 <LarienTelrunya> !whereis BSOD2
13:13 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] BSOD2 is not currently playing on this server.
13:13 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] BSOD2 [slex]: (Cou Dee Mal Law) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1
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13:28 <rikersan> FIQ: do fiqhack monsters use un-id'ed wands?
13:29 <rikersan> i.e. will the gnome automagically know that's a wand of death on teh ground, and to zap it at you?
13:29 <rikersan> (in fiqhack)
13:36 <LarienTelrunya> There's some graffiti on the water here. You read: "WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS USE FIRE".
13:39 <rld> <@Tone> on the water?
13:39 <rld> <@Koumakan> straight fire
13:42 <LarienTelrunya> Ulch - that meat was tainted!  You feel deathly sick. What do you want to eat? [eABJM or ?*,] This eucalyptus leaf is delicious! You stuff yourself and then vomit voluminously.  What a relief! You can move again.
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13:46 <aosdict> AntiGulp: wait I'm confused on how exactly masks behave now.
13:47 <AntiGulp> aosdict: This'll take a second, they're a little complicated
13:47 <AntiGulp> Basically, a mask allows you to permanently remain polymorphed into a form as long as you are wearing it. Once you take it off, you rehumanize.
13:47 <AntiGulp> The catch is that each time it is removed for any reason, it degrades the BUC status
13:48 <AntiGulp> Putting on a cursed mask will deal damage and break the mask.
13:48 <AntiGulp> But a cursed mask still allows a temporary polymorph.
13:49 <aosdict> And no more intrinsic unchanging?
13:49 <AntiGulp> No. It felt unfair / not in the spirit of the game, and I didn't want to deal with the bugs that you mentioned.
13:50 <aosdict> Yeah, the way I justify xnh's use of that is that it only triggers in situations that, in vanilla, would have just killed you.
13:51 <AntiGulp> That makes sense.
13:51 <AntiGulp> aaaaand I just implemented the wrong version of the logfile patch. aaagh
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14:01 <jonadab> AntiGulp: Doesn't 3.6.1 already have xlogfile these days?
14:01 <jonadab> Oh, wait, you mean livelog.
14:01 <jonadab> nvm
14:01 <AntiGulp> jonadab: Yeah, livelog.
14:02 <AntiGulp> Hmmm it's also causing me compile-time errors because of passing const strings into a function that takes a char*.
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14:05 <AntiGulp> aosdict: Does livelog normally cause warnings about passing in const char arrays to livelog_write_string?
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14:09 <jonadab> AntiGulp: That sounds like an actual problem potentially.  (It's generally best not to ignore warnings unless you _know_ they are spurious.)
14:10 <jonadab> However, this is inherently different in NH4 (and thus Fourk) because we have msgprintf()
14:10 <jonadab> Due to buffsz-purge.
14:11 <jonadab> Maybe ask aosdict or Chris_ANG, someone who works with 3.x code more than I do.
14:12 <aosdict> xnh has livelog, I compile with -Wall and see no warnings.
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14:14 <aosdict> So I'm inclined to say it's an actual problem.
14:14 <AntiGulp> Huh, this is really weird. I get a ton of "discards qualifiers" errors, and I'm using the same implementation.
14:16 <AntiGulp> Wait I think I might have solved it. The implementation I was copying has livelog_write_string taking a char*, not a const char*. That would do it.
14:20 <AntiGulp> That seems to have solved the problem! Yay!
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14:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 178902 points, T:21834, killed by a priestess of Anhur
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14:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 125046 points, T:35383, killed by a baluchitherium
14:46 <rikersan> aosdict: there's actually plenty if you look at old grimoires
14:46 <rikersan> (female demon names)
14:46 <rikersan> (reaidng backscroll from like yesterday)
14:46 <rikersan> check out alternate names for most of the binder spirits
14:47 <LarienTelrunya> there are also random nymph names in splicehack, some of which are actually super sexy (Wendy for example ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥)
14:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:7146
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14:48 <rikersan> LarienTelrunya: i highly doubt sexy is what antigulp was going for
14:48 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, probably, but if you ever played Super Mario Bros 3 you will agree that Wendy is such a sexy boss ♥
14:48 <rikersan> just saying
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14:52 <aosdict> rikersan: I didn't push the lists I have yet, but I can pastebin them if you want?
14:54 <aosdict> Context for those interested: I ported SpliceHack monster introducing but am using different names.
15:01 <rld> <@mtf> <@LarienTelrunya> wordpad rox! oh god please no
15:01 <rld> <@mtf> not even notepad++? or sublime?
15:02 <LarienTelrunya> notepad++ lags like hell when editing slex's monst.c
15:02 <LarienTelrunya> didn't try sublime yet
15:02 <rld> <@mtf> oh really... damn
15:02 <rikersan> aosdict: I'd love that but I can't read right now anyway
15:02 <rikersan> are you gonna push soon?
15:02 <rld> <@mtf> sublime is really, really nice
15:02 <rld> <@mtf> and free!
15:02 <rikersan> also, what's this for? succubi?
15:02 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: I'd be interested in the list ♥
15:02 <aosdict> nymphs and foocubi currently
15:02 <rikersan> or actual more demon lordesses
15:02 <rikersan> that's a lady isn't it
15:03 <rikersan> but ah cool
15:03 <rikersan> aosdict: "The incubus named Vanessa"
15:03 <rikersan> @le? bofh
15:03 <Beholder> bofh ~2~ moth (a) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 5 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 9 | Attacks: 1d1 bite remove-light | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies
15:03 <rikersan> @le?BOFH
15:03 <Beholder> BOFH ~2~ moth (a) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 5 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 9 | Attacks: 1d1 bite remove-light | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies
15:03 <rikersan> amy explain plz
15:04 <aosdict> rikersan: they're split by gender, one moment
15:04 <LarienTelrunya> rikersan: BOFH = Bastard Operator From Hell, boss of the ZAPM branch (bot is unfortunately outdated)
15:05 <rld> <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: Hi. So again, how does martial arts skill count for enchantment?
15:05 <aosdict> rikersan: LarienTelrunya: https://gist.github.com/copperwater/655cf43a7366c91983f9fb226c9391b6
15:06 <aosdict> Vanessa is pretty good, adding that
15:06 <LarienTelrunya> ah, hi Winsalot! sorry I completely forgot about that. If you're a monk, higher experience levels count as higher enchantment, otherwise it always counts as +0, which is obviously rather sucky; I don't know if having +4 gloves would help
15:06 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: thanks! I see the name "Euryale" in there, will you add "Stheno" as well?
15:07 <rld> <@Winsalot> What about psion? Apparently it's also martial arts based role.
15:07 <rikersan> tfw you castle dive, find a wand of wishing, and then this one damn shockign sphere blasts you and the wands kill you
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15:07 <rikersan> aosdict: I've known 2 vanessas and they both qualify as demons :P
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15:07 <rikersan> also Tiffany
15:08 <rikersan> I learned recently tha'ts actually from the 12th century
15:08 <rld> <@Winsalot> rikersan: rip
15:08 <LarienTelrunya> rikersan: I knew one Vanessa and she was very sexy, especially when crushing my fingers with her thick footwear <insert arbitrary number of hearts here> :)
15:08 <rikersan> tmi
15:08 <aosdict> I considered Stheno, but I a) am not sure about adding _either_ of the other two gorgons at all, so Euryale is on ice already, and b) Stheno seems odder to English readers.
15:09 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: the presence of an Amy in the demons list is because of me I hope? ;)
15:09 <rikersan> you should add the d&d gorgon as well
15:09 <rikersan> the metal bull thingy
15:09 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: Well, I found it on wikipedia, so I have factual basis if anyone asks... ;)
15:10 <rikersan> aosdict: are cyndane and messaana from wheel of time? 
15:10 <aosdict> yep
15:10 <rikersan> or are they actually demons
15:10 <aosdict> thought I was the only reader of that
15:10 <rikersan> also mesaana has one s doesn't it?
15:10 <rikersan> lol no
15:11 <rikersan> nero has read most of sanderson's work as well iirc
15:11 <aosdict> I added Ishamael but decided to reduce it to its biblical form
15:11 <rikersan> ah
15:11 <aosdict> and the other wot "demons" didn't really seem as good sounding
15:11 <rikersan> dunno how worried you are about overlap (probably not) but berith & lillith are both in dnh as too
15:12 <aosdict> I am okay with Lilith, since duh, how could you NOT have that as a foocubus name.
15:12 <rikersan> aosdict: rahvin isn't bad
15:12 <rikersan> well ya
15:12 <rikersan> TIL berith is female
15:12 <rikersan> I think chris misgendered that
15:12 <aosdict> Ooh, I completely forgot about Rahvin.
15:12 <rikersan> yea
15:12 <rikersan> very demony
15:12 <aosdict> Especially since he's one of the more lecherous Forsaken.
15:12 <rikersan> aginor and balthamel are very nice sounding as well
15:13 <bhaak> LarienTelrunya: why are you not watching ESC with us in #ascension.run?
15:13 * aosdict slaps face
15:13 <LarienTelrunya> ESC?
15:13 <LarienTelrunya> eurovision farce contest? is it today?
15:13 <rikersan> I still remember that one line, "I've almost forgotten the pleasures of the flesh... but Balthamel remembers much"
15:13 <bhaak> LarienTelrunya: first semi finale
15:13 <rikersan> ~~ aginor in first book, fits perfectly
15:13 <aosdict> rikersan: hah, that's ironic because Aran'gar
15:13 <rikersan> LOL
15:13 <LarienTelrunya> bhaak: so you want me to join? I need to use KiwiIRC for that though because the maintainer of that channel dislikes webchat :P
15:14 <aosdict> I was thinking of Balthamos, but since he's an angel in HDM, it didn't make any sense. Balthamel sounds more demony hough.
15:14 <rikersan> yea
15:14 <rikersan> fallen angel-y to me at least
15:14 <bhaak> LarienTelrunya: yeah, GoldenIvy, me, and kerio are watching. 
15:14 <LarienTelrunya> don't tell ivy that I'm joining, it should be a surprise for her :D
15:15 <rikersan> demandred is good but not quite as demon-y i guess
15:15 <aosdict> I also read through the first like 30 chapters of Genesis yesterday looking for more names but didn't really find anything good
15:15 <rikersan> LOL google for "the forsaken" gives me moraine in the list
15:15 <Grasshopper> Talking about demon names, please don't forget "Ftumch"
15:15 <raisse> aosdict: deuteronomy and numbers are better for that
15:16 <Grasshopper> Ftumch was accidentally summoned by Nigel Planer in the Young Ones (TV series)
15:16 <rikersan> bel'lal is already in dnh I _think_? not sure, you can definitely reuse tho
15:16 <Grasshopper> when he sneezed and accidentally said "Ftumch"
15:16 <aosdict> Belal sounds too much like a unique.
15:16 <rikersan> and don't forgot graendal and semirhage
15:16 <rikersan> graendal would be _perfect_
15:16 <aosdict> Demandred is out because of all the jokes about Demandgreen, Demandblue, and Demandyellow.
15:17 <rikersan> 10/10
15:17 <aosdict> Really? I rejected Graendal for some reason (but it is very thematic)
15:17 <rikersan> hm
15:17 <aosdict> Eh, can't remember why I did, she's back in
15:17 <rikersan> graendal was defintiely a succubus, complete with mindcontrol & beauty
15:18 <rikersan> moridin might be good as a name as well
15:18 <rikersan> wow these books are like full of good names tbh
15:18 <aosdict> Semirhage... both is a little weird in english, and is NOT thematic.
15:18 <rikersan> ^
15:18 <rikersan> I'm almost tempted to ask if you can include nyneave as a nymph
15:19 <rikersan> just think that would be the peak of irony
15:19 <aosdict> haha
15:19 <aosdict> no protagonists I think
15:19 <LarienTelrunya> Tariru: wow congratulations on beating that version of the nightmare quest, I never managed to complete that one myself due to all the nasty items used by the monsters
15:19 <aosdict> I'm happy with the Greek lineup of nymphs
15:19 <rikersan> ^
15:19 <rikersan> would be interesting if you included neverwere
15:19 <rikersan> from dnh
15:19 <Tariru> It was pretty nasty, I had to wand everything out of the way quickly.
15:19 <Beholder> Tariru: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-07 01:47 EDT: that branch issue on the castle is due to the change to rooms I've made; thankfully I managed to find a way to hijack the code to force the generation of a branch anyway :)
15:19 <Beholder> Tariru: Message from LarienTelrunya_ at 2018-05-08 01:51 EDT: weird... can't really tell what's going on, but maybe a core dump was created
15:19 <Beholder> Tariru: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-08 08:05 EDT: Your crash seems to be related to long worms. Those have been bugged earlier, although I still haven't been able to narrow down the exact cause. Did you see any long worms shortly before you crashed, and if yes, did they do anything unusual?
15:19 <rikersan> basically vampire nymphs w/ spells
15:20 <aosdict> ...someone with lycanythropy resistance?
15:20 <rikersan> ooh LarienTelrunya I might have your long worm solution, is it happeneing whenever you kill a long worm?
15:20 <Tariru> I don't think I picked up anything too nasty in that quest, other than losing shock resistance.
15:20 <LarienTelrunya> rikersan: I'm not sure, the backtrace sounds like the worm was trying to move and then the segment failed to be placed?
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15:21 <rikersan> ah, not that
15:21 <Tariru> I can't really remember the crash now. Can't remember any long worms at the moment it crashed.
15:21 <Tariru> It did crash when I was shooting a wand at unseen enemies though.
15:22 <Tariru> But as far as telepathy had shown, there were just liches in the room I was firing in.
15:22 <aosdict> rikersan: any other demon names from literature I've forgotten?
15:22 <rikersan> also aosdict lol, you've got "aosdict", "phol ende wohan", and "copper"whatever?
15:22 <LarienTelrunya> Tariru: hmm, that's really weird... K2 supplied the backtrace and it seems to have faulted in the long worm code
15:22 <rikersan> I'm thinking
15:22 <LarienTelrunya> maybe the game somehow thought a monster was a long worm when it really wasn't?
15:22 <rikersan> maybe ctrl-f in dante's inferno?
15:23 <LarienTelrunya> in fact, I wonder what happens if a long worm (or a worm segment :P) triggers a polymorph trap
15:23 <rikersan> oh hm do you want japanese ones aosdict 
15:23 <rld> <@Winsalot> Lul, only 200MB left in hard drive
15:23 <rikersan> since I'm 100% certain I could find some good ones from assorted anime
15:23 <rld> <@Winsalot> Time to empty the trash I guess
15:23 <aosdict> not really I think - aiming for English recognition as demons
15:24 <rikersan> kk
15:24 <rikersan> you could always include Aku :p
15:24 <Pavel> I had to do tech support for my mom recently because webpages were displaying wierdly. The issue ended up being that there was just enough disk space to not cause an OS emergency but not enough disk space to cache stylesheets from websites.
15:25 <[Demo]> sounds like a shitty web browser for not noticing and complaining
15:25 <rikersan> dean winchester?
15:25 <rld> <@Winsalot> How tf does deleting 47GB of data free up 170GB of space?
15:25 <rld> <@Winsalot> Because that's what just happened I think
15:25 <rld> <@mtf> you've entered the data dimension
15:25 <rld> <@kritixilithos> Winsalot: that always happens for me
15:25 <rld> <@mtf> where all data is actually 4x
15:26 <rld> <@mtf> also, it's probably just gremlins living in your linux kernel
15:26 <rld> <@kritixilithos> it even happens when I do nothing
15:26 <rikersan> ooh, what about Jadis aosdict? the white witch
15:28 <rld> <@Winsalot> Do you guys think vim is worth it?
15:28 <[Demo]> worth it?
15:28 <rikersan> it's free
15:28 <rld> <@kritixilithos> yes
15:28 <rikersan> and it's fun to use
15:28 <[Demo]> like worth the extra resources it exhausts as opposed to using vi?
15:28 <rld> <@kritixilithos> boosted my productivity x1000
15:28 <Pavel> [Demo]: It was IE, naturally.
15:28 <rikersan> also never listen to [Demo] like just don't
15:29 <rld> <@kritixilithos> vi offers less customisablity
15:29 <rld> <@Winsalot> Like worth the effort it will require to actually get comfortable with it?
15:29 <rld> <@kritixilithos> what editor do you use now?
15:29 <rikersan> mtf is that why you never get your computer wet? the gremlins in your kernel will multiply?
15:29 <rld> <@Winsalot> Cos right now Im only comfortable with typing :quit
15:29 <rikersan> one complaint with vim is that my colorscheme doesn't go great with nethack
15:29 <rld> <@Winsalot> Mostly just RStudio or CodeBlocks depending on what Im doing
15:29 <rld> <@kritixilithos> you can do :q
15:30 <[Demo]> vim is great use it
15:30 <rld> <@kritixilithos> I used to depend fully on IDEs, then while I was learning vim, I switched to command-line, I rarely use any other editor/IDE now
15:31 <[Demo]> all i ever use is vim really and theres no issues
15:31 <rld> <@kritixilithos> rikersan: how?
15:31 <rld> <@kritixilithos> how does it interfere?
15:31 <rikersan> i don't like the colors for nethack but I do for vim
15:31 <[Demo]> actually vim built in syntax highlighting fucking sucks
15:32 <rld> <@kritixilithos> my vim colorscheme is separate from nethack
15:33 <rld> <@kritixilithos> do you use a custom colorscheme rikersan?
15:34 <Pavel> I use IDEs when I'm working on really large projects. SWEA is super helpful when there are hundreds of thousands of lines of code.
15:34 <Pavel> But otherwise I like Vim
15:35 <rikersan> i fell like a pet
15:35 <rikersan> as a vampire, I attacked an acid blob
15:35 <rikersan> I automatically whacked and bit the blob
15:35 <rikersan> and then promptly died to passive attacks
15:36 <rikersan> I'm always pissed when my dog does it but I jsut did it :/
15:36 <[Demo]> so uh
15:36 <[Demo]> dnh and jnh is gonn be interesting
15:36 <rikersan> jnh?
15:36 <rld> <@kritixilithos> swea=?
15:36 <[Demo]> cause chris is still awol and june is right around the corner
15:37 <LarienTelrunya> dnhslex should be part of junethack :P
15:37 <Pavel> swea=solution wide error analysis
15:37 <aosdict> rikersan: check the list, Jadis is already there :P
15:37 <Pavel> What do Gauntlets of Power do, I can't find an entry for them on the wiki. (xnh)
15:38 <rld> <@kritixilithos> sets str=25
15:38 <Pavel> nice
15:38 <[Demo]> is made of metal
15:38 <rld> <@kritixilithos> wait that's what they do in vanilla
15:39 <Pavel> I tried searching on the wiki and nothing happened ok
15:39 <Pavel> I literally typed in Gauntlets of Power and it said nothing found
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15:39 <aosdict> Pavel: You can also use lookup in xnh
15:39 <aosdict> command
15:39 <aosdict> command /
15:40 <Pavel> Ah, got it
15:40 <Pavel> > I don't have any information on those things.
15:40 <Pavel> :/
15:40 <LarienTelrunya> Winsalot: psion unfortunately always counts as +0 for martial arts
15:41 <aosdict> Pavel: that should print information...
15:41 <Pavel> I did `/ik` (k are my gauntlets of power) and that's all it said.
15:41 <aosdict> type /, hit n, "Specify what?" type "Gauntlets of Power" should work
15:42 <aosdict> hm, but it's not working for it out of the inventory, strange
15:42 <aosdict> ... but it works for my carrots in inventory
15:42 <[Demo]> how identified is it?
15:42 <aosdict> fully id
15:43 <Pavel> Ok, that worked
15:43 <Pavel> I didn't scroll of id it because I already knew it was an uncursed gauntlets of power.
15:44 <Pavel> That didn't actually say what it does though, just it's AC bonus, cost, etc.
15:44 <rikersan> aosdict: yep noticed that post-suggestion
15:44 <aosdict> Of course, it doesn't have an encyclopedia entry because I haven't ported the NH4 encyclopedia yet.
15:44 <rikersan> [Demo]: ikr i'm kinda sad actually I would've loved to try out some of the new dnh rebalances
15:44 <rikersan> particularly balancing crystal stuff
15:44 <[Demo]> that sounds less fun
15:45 <[Demo]> crystal nerf
15:45 <[Demo]> from what i understand
15:45 <rikersan> listen you don't get to weigh in
15:45 <rikersan> you abuse the shit out of everything >:U
15:45 <rikersan> I want a good reason to use something that's not sdsm or crystal plate mail (or an artifact armor)
15:46 <rikersan> tho I've been likign yellow dsm for the stoning resis
15:46 <[Demo]> if ur gonna nerf crystal do it in an interesting way that isnt just reducing the numbers
15:46 <rikersan> eh, I'd be a fan of losing the double enchantment value
15:46 <rikersan> tbh no spellcasting penalty but heavier is a pretty good rebalance as-is
15:46 <rikersan> ala vanilla
15:47 <[Demo]> heres my idea
15:47 <rikersan> move to #dnh?
15:47 <[Demo]> make it unenchantable and get a shit ton
15:47 <[Demo]> no that palce is dead
15:47 <rikersan> lol ok
15:47 <rikersan> and uh what
15:47 <rikersan> oh
15:47 <[Demo]> anyway unenchantable and a shit ton of ac
15:47 <[Demo]> and it breaks in combat
15:47 <[Demo]> like shatters
15:47 <rikersan> like +20 AC but stuck at +0?
15:48 <rikersan> lol no. shattering would suck
15:48 <[Demo]> then ud have to carry extra
15:48 <[Demo]> or just swap to it part of the time
15:48 <rikersan> but maybe shred attacks ala dagon would instantly destroy it
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15:48 <[Demo]> and use something else
15:48 <rikersan> eh
15:48 <rikersan> I just think DSM is underused
15:48 <[Demo]> i think like +30 ac on cpm
15:48 <rikersan> other than silver for the dragonbreath reflection
15:49 <[Demo]> but that shit doesnt last very long hit wise
15:49 <[Demo]> so when u need it, wear it and when u dont, wear a dsm
15:49 <rikersan> maybe it could be enchanted to +5, but loses 1 enchant point every hit it takes directly
15:49 <[Demo]> losing enchant points is BAD
15:49 <rikersan> wearing a cloak of protection would stop that
15:49 <[Demo]> because then the resource you are taxing is scrolls of enchant armor
15:49 <rikersan> it doesn't actually increase when enchanted tho
15:49 <[Demo]> and not crystal pieces
15:49 <rikersan> taht's true
15:49 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: slex actually has something similar, but with weapons - ones that deal a shitload of damage but quickly disenchant themselves when hitting with them, and are destroyed when they go below -20
15:50 <[Demo]> see no thats abd
15:50 <[Demo]> bad
15:50 <[Demo]> you are hurting something entirely unrelated
15:50 <rikersan> I'd like chris to make materials more changeable
15:50 <[Demo]> enchantment mechanisms
15:50 <[Demo]> yes i want alchemy
15:50 <rikersan> i.e. you can convert things to other materials
15:50 <rikersan> would be interesting to rebalance all 'crystal armor' into just plain crystal
15:50 <[Demo]> yes
15:50 <rikersan> i.e. your crystal sword? now it shatters, but it does deal more damage
15:50 <[Demo]> we need the dodge/DR split
15:50 <rikersan> yeah 
15:51 <rikersan> but a good material rebalance would be quite nice
15:51 <rikersan> crystal - more damage/ac, increased weight and shatters ala drow
15:51 <rld> <@kritixilithos> crystal weapons, when thrown, will shatter and enemies caught in the radius will take damage
15:51 <rikersan> obsidian - as-is right now
15:51 <rld> <@kritixilithos> well s/weapons/anything/
15:52 <rikersan> kritixi actually no I'm fariyl certain there's a new mirror thingy that does that, ideally crystal wouldn't be the mirror things
15:52 <rikersan> with kamerel now
15:52 <rikersan> it's basically nudziath's mirror blast
15:53 <rikersan> gold - does the current +1d4 blunt, maybe +xd4 for x sizes above small
15:53 <rikersan> stone could deal +1d2 blunt or something maybe idk
15:58 <[Demo]> goddamn shit server
16:00 <LarienTelrunya> YASI: rusted weapons have some sort of harmful effect when the blade strikes the opponent's bare skin. Not sure what that effect would be though.
16:00 <rld> <@kritixilithos> poisoning
16:00 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, something like that
16:01 <aosdict> tetanus status effect when?
16:01 <rld> <@kritixilithos> you gain less HP
16:01 <rld> <@kritixilithos> because it does something to blood
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16:04 <[Demo]> hi
16:04 <Beholder> Hello [Demo], Welcome to #hardfought
16:04 <[Demo]> oh thank god
16:04 <rikersan> your bot died?
16:05 <Demo_> moving over to another vm so i can take down main one and back up and then upgrade os
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16:09 <[Demo]> and so it begins
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16:12 <aosdict> BattleOfTheDemos
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16:28 <rld> <@mtf> who will win
16:30 <aosdict> right now, they both lost, apparently.
16:31 <aosdict> (both have quit)
16:31 <rld> <@Winsalot> Anyone played dnethack's Binder role? Was it fun?
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17:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:49632
17:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Rog Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 speed boots", on T:19850
17:40 <FIQ> K2: I think zapm might have had some sort of memory leak
17:40 <FIQ> given that the macro I used cause very noticeable lag on the server
17:41 <FIQ> something I only realized weveral hours later on when people complained even after the storm that was going that day went away...
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17:57 <rikersan> @winsalot: you still here?
17:57 <rikersan> dnh binder is great
17:58 <rikersan> quite tough early game if you don't get lucky spirits, you'll end up just repeatedly kicking stuff to try to kill it and gain xp
17:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 1447 points, T:3729, killed by a snake
17:58 <rikersan> but at the end of the game you're pretty OP, with the ability to get intrinsic MR, reflection, drain resis, lifesaving, etc.
17:59 <rikersan> the page on the wiki does a good job explaining the spirits
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18:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 2145 points, T:3788, killed by an invisible dwarf king
19:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] fusillade (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 60771 points, T:20107, quit
19:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Pri Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a vampire lord, on T:21779
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19:50 <Tangles> !tell AntiGulp I've just merged the livelog branch with the 3.6.1_Release tag, so that should cut down on your merge conflicts if that's what you're based on.
19:50 <Beholder> Will do, Tangles!
19:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Pri Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:22289
19:52 <Tangles> !tell AntiGulp https://github.com/NHTangles/NetHack36/tree/livelog
19:52 <Beholder> Will do, Tangles!
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20:24 <K2> hi
20:24 <Beholder> Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought
20:43 <K2> well
20:43 <K2> at least beholder will say hi to me :)
20:44 <[Demo]> thats always nice
20:44 <[Demo]> and hi
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20:57 <K2> o/
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21:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] ranlhach2 (Con Orc Mal Cha), 1635 points, T:1774, killed by a bat
21:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] ranlhach2 (Con Orc Mal Cha), 349 points, T:791, killed by a jackal
21:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] ranlhach2 (Con Orc Mal Cha), 380 points, T:1195, killed by a dwarf
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21:19 <Tangles> Hi K2
21:20 <Tangles> I see someone's been trying to start an Un convict.  They are hard at the beginning.
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21:22 <K2> heya
21:22 <K2> i need to finally try one
21:22 <K2> you've ascended one correct?
21:24 <Tangles> Yeah.  I spent ages on it last year.  Lost a couple of decent starts, too.
21:24 <K2> i heard that
21:25 <K2> my last fourk game from a few days ago, had an arc scurrier, killed medusa, on my way to the castle. killed by a minotaur
21:25 <Tangles> Oh yeah I saw that,
21:25 <K2> ugh
21:26 <Tangles> I'm still going for the first sylph wizard... it should be easier than other sylph roles, but I am struggling for some reason.
21:26 <K2> those races are a challenge
21:26 <K2> overall they are more 'squishy'
21:26 <K2> armor choices are limited
21:28 <K2> Tangles: do you think it's doable to add whereis to 3.6.1 from the whereis commits from unnethack or other 3.4.3 variants? or is the code too diffferent?
21:28 <Tangles> I think it's too easy to get ahead of yourself with a sylph.  You can survive the whole dungeon with AC -1 or so, until you get to gehennom and no longer have the rapid healing.
21:29 <Tangles> K2: It should be doable.
21:29 <K2> ok. i think i will attempt to add it tonight
21:30 <Tangles> Maybe not by direct merging/cherrypicking, but by eyeballing the changes and adapting them.
21:30 <K2> i havent pushed the E word conduct tracking for 3.6.1 on hdf yet
21:30 <K2> want to add whereis also before going live
21:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] ranlhach2 (Con Orc Mal Cha), 2306 points, T:2869, killed by a giant ant, while fainted from lack of food
21:30 <K2> hmm eyeballing
21:31 <Tangles> ugh... typical convict end.
21:31 <K2> i feel like if theres a function used that 3.6.1 doesnt use anymore, i'll get stuck
21:31 <K2> but, i'll have a go at it anyways
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21:34 <Tangles> yeah I'm not sure I agree with adding new conducts to a vanilla build.  It will invalidate comparisons between games ascended here and on other servers (eg: on NHS it will say "ascended with 8 conducts" or whatever.  That will have a different meaning for a game played here, than on, say NAO).
21:35 <K2> dtype has already alluded to a 3.6.1 server build much like 3.4.3-nao
21:35 <K2> so right now we have livelogging and extrainfo, which vanilla doesnt have
21:35 <dtype> yeah although just a discussion at this point, for server-specific patches. Still seeing what paxed is up for.
21:36 <krm> Hey K2, got another corrupt FIQhack game -- do I bug FIQ directly about it, or do I need to go through you so you can give him the gamestate?
21:36 <K2> adding e word conduct and whereis would round it out, and then adding curse... wooo. that would be the royale edition
21:37 <K2> krm: go through me. i can provide FIQ your save and/or any coredump info. plus I'm nicer than he is
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21:37 <K2> *curses
21:37 <krm> Heh, ok
21:37 <K2> Tangles and ALL of those changes dont affect the mechanics of the game
21:38 <K2> its all quality of life bits
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21:38 <krm> User krm26, character Ke, corrupt save file gives option to automatically recover but recovery fails. Error: cant find o_id 2229, location: libnethack/src/timeout.c:1477, game ID Ke_1525737479
21:38 <K2> FIQ ^^
21:38 <K2> ok
21:39 <Tangles> K2: Yeah I agree with all the QoL improvements, I'm just not sure that new conducts don't fall on the other side of that line.
21:39 <K2> lemme wrap up the save and send it his way
21:39 <krm> Thanks!
21:39 <krm> Unrelated, does anyone know how to get rid of "replay" saved games in the FIQhack savegame list? Nothing done from within the replay seems to work
21:40 <krm> (this may be applicable across all Nethack 4 variants?)
21:40 <K2> Tangles: think of it this way. x number of zero conducts. regardless of how many there are (if any at all) you would still play the game the same way. this weapon does x amount of damage. this spell does this effect. rodney is still a sonofabitch. etc etc
21:40 <K2> s/of/or
21:41 <Tangles> K2: I'm not really strongly opposed to it, and it's up to you anyway of course.  Just letting you know what I think.
21:41 <K2> Tangles: i understand
21:42 <K2> krm: i dont know. FIQ would (I hope)
21:43 <Tangles> I only think of these things, because I want more than 10 conducts in my next fourk game, and I realise this is quite different from achieving that in vanilla.
21:43 <K2> :)
21:43 <K2> which conducts?
21:45 <Tangles> eh.... I'll pick some as I go. arti/wish/self/pile/geno/elbe/pudd/unih/sink/vegt/vegn/... I think there are others. Conflict, perhaps.
21:45 <jonadab> Obviously he's going to do toolless, potionquaffless, foodless nude zen atheist...
21:45 <Tangles> nothing really hard.
21:46 <K2> hahah
21:46 <K2> i think the most conducts i've ever ascended with was 5 or 6
21:46 <K2> i cant imagine 10
21:46 <jonadab> I think the hardest one I've managed is genoless.
21:46 <jonadab> And that only once.
21:47 <jonadab> I could probably pull off weaponless in NH4, by setting the pacifist uim thingydoo.
21:47 <jonadab> Since the hard part about it is not _accidentally_ hitting something with your pick-axe.
21:47 <Tangles> indeed.
21:48 <Tangles> the fourk conduct "never violae your personal moral code" has similar issues.
21:48 <K2> krm I sent your save to FIQ
21:48 <Tangles> *violate
21:49 <krm> Thanks K2!
21:50 <Tangles> K2: In other news, I have managed to butcher the curses code enough that it compiles in 3.6.1, and runs without segfaulting immediately.
21:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] ranlhach2 (Con Orc Mal Cha), 205 points, T:445, killed by a grid bug, while fainted from lack of food
21:51 <K2> wow
21:51 <Grasshopper> \o/
21:51 <K2> that's significant
21:51 <K2> i now elevate you and worship you as a small god
21:51 <Tangles> keep trying ranlhach2, you'll find that first food ration eventually :)
21:51 <Grasshopper> If I ever get a better screen (other than my laptop I mean) I'd like to do curses again
21:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] ranlhach2 (Con Orc Mal Cha), 109 points, T:82, killed by a jackal
21:52 <Grasshopper> YANI: replace "detect food" spell with "create food", which generates food similar to how a horn of plenty does
21:52 <Grasshopper> except without potions
21:54 <Tangles> It draws the perm_invent window and the map, and it kind of puts the status information vaguely in the area at the bottom of the screen, but the game messages just shit everywhere all over the map.
21:54 <Tangles> I should have it working a little better tonight.
21:55 <K2> awesome
21:56 <Grasshopper> v good
21:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] ranlhach2 (Con Orc Mal Cha), 404 points, T:1088, killed by a hobbit
21:58 <K2> ok. i think i can add whereis to 3.6.1 without any issues
21:59 <K2> ^^ famous last words
22:02 <aosdict> Grasshopper: That allows even more indefinite farming.
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22:06 <aosdict> K2: Asking the devteam for QoL improvements AND a new conduct hurts your chances of them considering it, I would think.
22:06 <K2> i'm not asking them
22:06 <K2> we're doing. we've BEEN doing it
22:06 <K2> livelogging and extrainfo have been a part of 3.6.1 for almost a year
22:07 <K2> these QoL improvements are really only for server play anyways (except curses and maybe E conduct). so if the Dt doesnt want to add them, its understandable
22:07 <K2> DT
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22:09 <Grassy> aosdict, I know you have food issues and wouldn't like it, but I still like it with some balancing features
22:10 <Grassy> like maybe lv4 spell, so early characters can't cast it anyway
22:10 <Grassy> or at least not reliably/often
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22:11 <Grassy> farming for food seems ridiculous lol
22:13 * K2 plants a row of meatballs to grow some steaks
22:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh361] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:50705
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22:23 <bouquet> howdy
22:24 <bouquet> I have a saved game in fiqhack (on hf-us) that is only available in replay mode. "bouquet Rog-orc-fem-cha killed by a Green-elf"
22:25 <bouquet> I'd love to just get rid of it but I can't figure out how. Any hints?
22:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] bouquet (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 18208 points, T:967, killed by a dwarf
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22:36 <K2> bouquet: did you just solve your query?
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22:43 <K2> sigh
22:43 <K2> error on compile
22:44 <K2> Tangles: do you mind having a look when you have a min? not sure how to correct this one
22:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] bouquet (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2724
23:03 <bouquet> K2, sorry no. I was just killing rogues.  
23:03 <K2> no prob
23:04 <bouquet> it's no biggie, but seems weird that there's a persistent entery for my playable characters listed as "...killed by a green-elf"
23:05 <bouquet> I need to split but I'll check back later
23:05 <K2> !tell FIQ --> <bouquet> I have a saved game in fiqhack (on hf-us) that is only available in replay mode. "bouquet Rog-orc-fem-cha killed by a Green-elf" - he wants to get rid of the game but doesnt know how. is this something I need to do (delete the save) or can the player resolve this on their end?
23:05 <Beholder> Will do, K2!
23:05 <K2> i dont like deleting saves unless theres a good reason
23:09 <aosdict> Grasshopper: farming for food leads inevitably to altar farming for prayers and gifts.
23:09 <aosdict> And I'm talking mid to late game here.
23:10 <Tangles> K2: Sorry was out for lunch.  Will have a look in a little while.
23:11 <K2> no worries
23:11 <K2> would it be best to push my current edits so you can see how they're added? or not push to the repo yet
23:12 <Tangles> All good. I'll log on to the server and have a look.
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23:12 <K2> ok
23:12 <K2> i'll post details in the dev channel
23:13 <AntiGulp> Tangles: I saw your message literally a single minute after merging in livelogging manually, I'm sorry.
23:13 <Beholder> AntiGulp: Message from Tangles at 2018-05-08 19:50 EDT: I've just merged the livelog branch with the 3.6.1_Release tag, so that should cut down on your merge conflicts if that's what you're based on.
23:13 <Beholder> AntiGulp: Message from Tangles at 2018-05-08 19:52 EDT: https://github.com/NHTangles/NetHack36/tree/livelog
23:15 <K2> heya AntiGulp
23:16 <AntiGulp> K2: Heya
23:18 <AntiGulp> I *think* I merged in livelogging and other hardfought things (dump/panic logs). I had to make a few changes because my compiler was complalining, but everything appears to be normal.
23:19 <K2> nice
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23:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] ranlhach2 (Con Orc Mal Cha), 16762 points, T:8719, killed by an invisible owlbear
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23:31 <Pavel> sudo dnf upgrade
23:31 <Pavel> wait
23:31 <Pavel> crap
23:31 <Pavel> this isn't bash
23:31 <Pavel> sorry
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23:38 <bouquet> at least you use sudo and don't run as root
23:39 <Tangles> lol No worries AntiGulp.
23:39 <Tangles> I just did the merge because I saw in the backscroll you were going to use it (but that was 3am my time)
23:39 <Tangles> but it needed doing anyway
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