00:01 it would be interesting to calculate a "streak" for gh beholders 00:01 how many adventurers can they kill before an adventurer manages to kill one 00:05 -!- deadnoob has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:05 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 00:10 aosdict: Reminds me back in the day we had an elf with a wand of death in Minetown who we defeated by attacking with more adventurers than the wand had charges; it left bones every time :-) 00:11 Nice :) 00:11 Pinkbeast: On NAO a year or two ago there was this guy who got to Air with no levitation and nothing to throw so he asked #nethack what to do 00:12 and everyone started logging into NAO and sending him scrolls of mail 00:12 which he was able to use successfully to throw one by one and cross to reach the portal 00:12 Huh. Which are meant to have no game mechanical effect, but there's a neat loophole :-) 00:13 That's a beautiful story 00:14 Maybe the real amulet of yendor was the friends we made along the way 00:15 that means your god really just wants to know the true power of friendship? headcanon accepted 00:16 There probably _are_ friendship ponies in SLEX already (and Noxico but the less said about that the better) 00:17 ... from a certain point of view, that story does read like a diabetes-inducing Power of Friendship (tm) story 00:17 I never considered that 00:19 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:21 :J 00:22 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 00:35 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:37 aosdict: that's fantastic 00:42 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:00 [hdf-us] [fh] bouquet (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed the monk of bouquet, the former Novice, on T:12982 01:14 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 01:38 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 2629 points, T:3944, killed by an owlbear 01:42 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:42 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:44 !steam tariru 01:45 oops 01:45 !streak tariru 01:45 bug_sniper__: [hdf-us] tariru Max[slex]: 1 (2018-03-11 - 2018-04-10)(current). 01:45 bug_sniper__: [hdf-eu] tariru Max[slex]: 1 (2018-04-07 - 2018-04-28)(current). 01:46 . 01:46 LarienTelrunya: Message from @Winsalot at 2018-05-05 16:19 EDT: I'm doing fine 😃 01:46 LarienTelrunya: Message from @rikersan at 2018-05-05 18:21 EDT: showed winsalot's dank meme to a friend, his only response was 'wait, what is that fork' lol 01:46 LarienTelrunya: Message from Tariru at 2018-05-06 13:40 EDT: I got a can't place branch error message at the castle 01:46 LarienTelrunya: Message from Tariru at 2018-05-06 13:41 EDT: Looks like there is still a trap door to Gehennom though, not sure what it was trying to make. 01:47 !tell Tariru that branch issue on the castle is due to the change to rooms I've made; thankfully I managed to find a way to hijack the code to force the generation of a branch anyway :) 01:47 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 01:51 aosdict: wtf why can nothing be dragonhide :( 01:56 [hdf-us] [nh361] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:45412 01:56 I snotted him with a finger of death 01:57 as just picking up the eota doesn't give him MR 02:04 [hdf-us] [nh361] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:45421 02:08 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:21 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:27 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:32 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 02:38 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 02:43 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:48 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 02:48 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:49 -!- bug_sniper__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6706 03:30 -!- Tangles_ has joined #hardfought 03:31 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:34 i seem to always kill watchmen 03:34 their prying eyes prevent me from unlocking my stash's door, so i figure i kill them anyway 03:40 open all the doors to all the rooms 03:40 and when the watch go in, trap them there and lock the door! 03:41 keeps them out of harms way until you get a nice pet or some other creative way of getting rid of them 03:43 morning 03:45 afternoon 03:47 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 03:48 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:00 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:11 -!- aosdict has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:12 -!- aosdict has joined #hardfought 04:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v aosdict] by ChanServ 04:15 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 04:18 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 04:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 04:18 -!- Tangles_ is now known as Tangles 04:19 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:19 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 04:19 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:23 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:35 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:36 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 05:01 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 05:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:20 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:20 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 05:51 Sigh. 05:51 Arc early game is horrible. 05:55 <[Demo]> do any variants have levels stolen from zapm? 06:01 yes :D at least one of them does 06:01 <[Demo]> can u point me towards ur stolen zapm levels? 06:01 <[Demo]> perhaps robot town? 06:01 [Demo]: play the variant that has a full ZAPM branch *bundlebundlebundle*! 06:01 <[Demo]> i just want to steal them from someone else 06:01 <[Demo]> so i dont have to go to the trouble of making them myself 06:01 one moment 06:02 <[Demo]> cause i feel like they could serve some use to me one day 06:02 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:02 [Demo]: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/master/dat/compu.des 06:03 "robtn", "rabho" and "sewpl" are the ZAPM levels 06:03 <[Demo]> thanks 06:04 play slex *bun-dle-win-ging* ♥ :D 06:04 <[Demo]> slex takes too long 06:09 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 06:32 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 06:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:37 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:10 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 07:14 K2: you added E tracking to 3.6.1? 07:43 LarienTelrunya: Nothing can be dragonhide because we're not trying to recreate GruntHack here. Also, probably to your great disappointment, you can only wish for materials in wizard mode. 07:44 well slex doesn't let you wish for materials either, but you can still get a dragonhide food ration, a glass bag of holding or a liquid pair of block-heeled boots :P 07:44 (does Grunthack even use the "liquid" material type?) 07:51 not as part of object materials 07:52 though xnh wizmode won't stop you from wishing up invalid materials, so I wished up a liquid quarterstaff yesterday and had fun whacking monsters with it 07:53 you should add slex material kits: one-use tool, every such kit has a randomized material, and applying it to an item will change that item's material :D 07:57 no 07:57 aww, but think about how much appeal it would have! everyone and their mother would start playing xnethack :P 07:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] xhypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed for the first time, on T:8140 07:59 well I seem to have acquired a nooodle 07:59 oh wait, that was breaking pacifist :( 08:00 correct. Hit a newt with the spellbook and killed it 08:00 accidentally 08:00 bwahaha 08:00 terrible, i had a cream pie even. should have been wielding that 08:01 speed boots are a blessing and a curse, for me they make it harder to auto-move because i'd leave my pet behind, so i don't automove, and then i kill something. I'm an idiot 08:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] xhypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 264 points, T:8180, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 08:01 suicide 08:01 aosdict: ooh wizmode-only material wishing 08:01 I approve 08:02 Maybe I should add an interface option that prevents you from move-attacking, then pacifist players can turn it on and everyone else can carry on as normal 08:02 Found a wand of polymorph in less than 20 turns into a game. 08:02 I zap my pet with it... 08:02 "Micka turns into an arch-lich!" 08:02 or toggle 'm' moving automatically, so all moving is 'm' moving. 08:02 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:02 aosdict: give me a moment 08:02 FIQ: It's the logical thing to do, how else are you going to debug materials 08:02 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/11 08:03 aosdict: I meant the disallowing it outside wizmode part 08:03 aosdict: IIRC some variants have such a pacifist option? doesn't save you from suffering the fate described in https://nhqdb.alt.org/?1726 though 08:03 casting heal is harder, in vanilla you can at least wear a metal helmet and metal boots and cast 'healing' at level 1. Even wielding the spellbook of healing, i was not able to afford the Pw cost while wearing even just a metal helmet 08:03 i lost a pacifist once on the astral plane when i cast Light with a gremlin nearby that followed me from Water 08:04 it was agonizing 08:04 stupid dark astral plane 08:05 nooodle: Yeah you're probably going to have to make some choices about spellcasting in the early game, unless you're a Wizard. 08:05 After gaining a few levels, the losses from the helm would be offset. 08:05 aosdict: that's valid, not complaining at all, merely commenting. :) 08:06 nooodle: If you are playing gnomish healer pacifist then I suggest the protracket 08:06 once i killed the watchmen i had jackboots 08:06 If you get orctown, #quit and complain to aosdict 08:06 fiq: I did protection racket this last game 08:06 FIQ: In xnethack there would be a logical extension of attack_mode:displace 08:06 orctown ♥ 08:06 aosdict: Right 08:07 protection racket is fine, and i was about to hit up oracle for the levels that would have saved me 08:07 i had an incubus but had only 16 HP and was too stubborn to quaff my full healing potion 08:07 -!- Tariru_ has joined #hardfought 08:07 16HP is a possible death from incubus 08:08 but stubbornness like that, i think, is necessary in pacifist. i mentioned the other day i have ascended pacifist twice, and it required really being careful and conserving items 08:10 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:11 FIQ: I think I am probably almost done with object materials, I've got all the mechanics working, different weights, different ACs, different costs. Glyph coloring may be the only important thing left. 08:11 aosdict: I was considering adding object material myself 08:11 and basically have a table with material and "exchange rates" for cost, AC, etc 08:12 to determine stuff depending on material 08:12 yes I modeled it after grunthack which basically uses 1D arrays (though you could make a struct to have them all in 1 place, I guess) 08:13 since you're only concerned with ratios, the units for cost are something along the lines of "zorkmids per aum" 08:13 times some constant 08:13 aosdict: well I was thinking 08:13 you have the cost (for example) in the object entry already in objects.c 08:13 and that is for whatever the base material is 08:13 and then convert based on that 08:14 yep that's how grunthack and I are doing it 08:14 ah 08:14 regular cost * (this material's $ per aum / base material's $ per aum) 08:14 same formula for weight (the units there are regular density 08:15 for AC it's a subtractive difference 08:15 aosdict: weird possible bug, i found an "uncursed potion of extra healing" ... how did it get BUC identified? 08:15 aosdict: yeah but why are you involving aum at all 08:16 only thing that matters is having proper conversion rates 08:16 FIQ: because it makes the unit make sense 08:16 you can set the rates up however you want to maintain this 08:16 mhm 08:16 note that since you're always taking the ratio of two of these, the quantity is actually dimensionless 08:17 s/dimensionless/unitless 08:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Lol (Bar Orc Mal Cha) was given Cleaver, on T:10086 08:56 Tariru_: congratulations on completing the ZAPM branch! what's your opinion of the branch? fun to play or boring? 08:57 It would have been a bit on the long side, but I was able to skip through most of the side branches with digging and levelport. 08:57 ah, so I guess you speeded through Gamma Caves to keep the amount of contamination low? 08:58 Yeah, I just dug down then levelported back to the top. 08:59 The boss was pretty anticlimatic too. I think using the other Bastard Operator you have would be better. 09:00 Data deletion attacks are kind of ridiculous, but it is an optional branch so I think it would be fine to have. 09:01 well, I guess it would make it more dangerous, but my intention was to make the BOFH give a relatively easy-to-obtain reward... then again, you're stomping everything in your path already so every extra reward makes you even more unstoppable! :D 09:02 the problem with designing a game like SLEX is, if I try to make it so hard that even you have trouble, the casual player won't have a chance, but if I make it easy enough so that even casual players will get far, it will be so easy for you that you'll probably get bored quickly :( 09:02 Tariru_: what does data deletion do 09:02 Lots of nasty things, depending on what it rolls. 09:02 speaking of which, you got pretty far; thoughts on 2.22 so far? easier/harder than 2.17, or no apparent differences in difficulty? 09:03 longer 09:03 It can drain you to level 1, ignoring drain resistance, delete all your aromr, remove intrinsics permanently, etc. 09:03 2.22 seems kind of the same in terms of difficulty? 09:04 -!- Announcy_ has joined #hardfought 09:04 -!- Announcy has quit [Killed (hitchcock.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 09:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy_] by ChanServ 09:04 -!- Announcy_ is now known as Announcy 09:04 Not noticed anything major so far, other than a few extra rng things at the start like some skills not trainig before or after a certain turn. 09:04 Which hasn't affected me because it didn't hit anything important. 09:05 :) 09:05 -!- honu_ has joined #hardfought 09:05 well, one main change is that there should be less item flood; do you feel you're still finding as much useful items, or less than before? and another change is that the monster density is lower; does it feel that way? 09:06 I do seem to have found a fair bit less magical armor, I think actually random items is a little less. 09:06 But I've had a huge amount of monster equipment, such as a huge number of wands. 09:07 Although most of that probably came from the quest, which is full of player monsters for paladins. 09:07 oh, lol I guess that quest could be farmed then :D 09:07 Monster density has seemed fairly similar to me. 09:07 hmm 09:08 Yeah, when you consider the subquest that's huge amounts of player mons, a lot of which you can put to sleep and take all their stuff. 09:10 -!- Pinkbeas1 has joined #hardfought 09:11 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [*.net *.split] 09:11 -!- K2 has quit [*.net *.split] 09:11 -!- Pinkbeast has quit [*.net *.split] 09:11 -!- honu has quit [*.net *.split] 09:11 -!- K2 has joined #hardfought 09:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o K2] by ChanServ 09:12 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 09:17 !tell k2 pushed a small bugfix for Beholder. 09:17 Will do, Tangles! 09:17 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 09:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Lol (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:11536 09:29 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:29 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 09:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 09:29 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 09:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 09:34 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:50 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 09:53 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:53 welp just changed my alignment by sacrificing an aligned priest on a lawful altard 09:54 ah, looks like my alignment was negative 09:55 I wouldn't think a lawful god would like the sacrifice of any priest, but apparently he does. 09:57 can one change their alignment via the same #offer mechanism again? 09:57 cuz this barb is very well stacked 09:57 nope, you're done 09:57 rip 09:57 (unless allowed into the quest already) 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Bar Orc Fem Law), 22009 points, T:7923, shot herself with a death ray 09:58 nah, had only been in the mines 09:58 hey, at least have the decency to drop your stuff in a separate pile so it won't be cursed! :P 09:58 well 09:58 i didn't explicitly do that 09:59 but i did leave a lot in another pile because it was just too much to lug around 10:02 !lastgame winny 10:02 Grasshopper: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/w/winny/nh361/dumplog/1525671507.nh361.txt 10:13 aosdict: and exhaust that wand 10:13 leaving bones with early death wands is mean 10:13 FIQ: or just bag it 10:13 well then you couldn't suicide with it 10:13 monsters would just remove it from the bag 10:14 not in nh361 10:17 oh what? 10:19 -!- bug_sniper__ has joined #hardfought 10:21 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] jonadab (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 30 points, T:264, killed by a sewer rat 10:28 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:28 -!- bug_sniper__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:31 -!- Pavel has joined #hardfought 10:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] jonadab (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 342 points, T:1377, killed by a giant bat 10:40 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:41 -!- bug_sniper__ has joined #hardfought 10:44 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:47 -!- URAQT has joined #hardfought 10:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Bar Orc Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a circular amulet on an altar, on T:3778 10:52 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 4004 points, T:3875, killed by a wand 10:53 -!- Pavel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:25 [hdf-us] [nh361] winny (Bar Orc Mal Cha) consumed animal products (pancake) for the first time, on T:3516 11:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) genocided class m, on T:47902 11:29 Grasshopper: what an interesting class to choose 11:29 sometimes I geno m before getting to Orcustown 11:29 otherwise more m, less loot 11:29 oh, good point 11:30 nasty lil mimics 11:30 I'm still looking for helm of brilliance or conuthaum or wand of polymorph or spell of or marker or speed boots or... 11:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:41 heh, double bones grotto town 11:47 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:5183 11:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] Lol (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:15398 11:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] Lol (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:15842 11:56 -!- jonathanhanes has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:56 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 12:00 !tell LarienTelrunya Got a crash whilst clearing out a level in Gehennom, happened while I was killing some named mind flayers 12:00 Will do, Tariru_! 12:01 !tell LarienTelrunya Autorecovery seems to have worked though. 12:01 Will do, Tariru_! 12:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] xhypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 535 points, T:3044, killed by a paper golem 12:08 this is an interesting turn of events: "Winsalot hits the mumak. Winsalot hits the mumak. The mumak misses Winsalot. The mumak misses Winsalot." 12:08 So, I guess bones level in FIQhack are the previous players in their death throes? 12:10 not usually 12:10 usually the player died and then the Wizard of Yendor resurrected them as an evil adventurer 12:11 far out 12:11 well, he's busy fighting the hordes in the mines. I think I'll just let that Mumak finish him off 12:12 !who 12:12 bug_sniper__: [hdf-us] Lol [dnh] munterplant [nh361] Grasshopper [nh361] Eleven [nh361] xhypnotist [xnh] 12:12 bug_sniper__: [hdf-eu] Tariru [slex] 12:12 !stream Grasshopper 12:12 !streak Grasshopper 12:12 bug_sniper__: [hdf-us] Grasshopper Max[nh361]: 6 (2017-03-17 - 2017-05-14). Current[xnh]: 1 (since 2018-04-19). 12:12 bug_sniper__: [hdf-eu] No streaks for Grasshopper on this server. 12:13 bouquet: probably in this bones level there was some weird stuff going on that pitted them against each other 12:13 maybe one was enslaved or something 12:13 !streak AmyBSOD 12:13 bug_sniper__: [hdf-us] No streaks for AmyBSOD on this server. 12:13 bug_sniper__: [hdf-eu] No streaks for AmyBSOD on this server. 12:13 !streak Bluescreen 12:13 bug_sniper__: [hdf-us] No streaks for Bluescreen on this server. 12:13 bug_sniper__: [hdf-eu] No streaks for Bluescreen on this server. 12:13 I look forward to watching it play out after this conf call ;) 12:17 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 12:20 -!- bug_sniper__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:20 -!- URAQT has quit [Quit: *poof*] 12:21 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 12:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 12:21 -!- URAQT has joined #hardfought 12:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] xhypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 226 points, T:1851, killed by an electric shock 12:22 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:23 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Lol (Bar Orc Mal Cha) was given the Gauntlets of Spell Power, on T:16888 12:31 -!- URAQT has quit [Quit: *poof*] 12:34 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 12:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 12:35 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:43 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] xhypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 220 points, T:3056, killed by a manes, while sleeping 13:01 [hdf-us] [fh] bouquet (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed the monk of Winsalot, the former Initiate, on T:14164 13:01 dang 13:02 [hdf-us] [fh] bouquet (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 40957 points, T:14169, killed by an invisible valkyrie called "Stig" 13:05 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:05 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:17 what's the variant that offers very tricksy monsters that can use everything like an adventurer can? 13:17 FIQhack (and grunthack to a lesser extent) 13:26 the nymph removes a scroll from the bag of holding. you hear a nymph reading a scroll of charging. the nymph's ring of adornment spins clockwise for a moment. the nymph removes a wand of wishing from the bag of holding... 13:27 that happens? 13:27 oh yeah 13:29 fiq believes in player/monster symmetry. you might not after a little experience with it 13:29 <@Winsalot> Hello, could I ask some general computer-questions someone here? (Decided to install Arch on spare laptop and got stuck on literaly the first step 😄 ) 13:31 dude, people stopped using archie in the 90s 13:32 [hdf-us] [fh] BILLY (winny) (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 24260 points, T:904, killed by a dwarf lord 13:33 hothraxxa: Not _that_ Archie. 13:33 jonadab: Message from ais523 at 2018-05-06 16:03 EDT: with colons too? or do only semicolons work? 13:33 (Do the kids these days even know what ftp was?) 13:33 hey i still use it all the time 13:34 well scp 13:34 I actually used sftp on Saturday. 13:34 scp isn't really the same. 13:34 it better not be 13:34 Archie only makes sense in the context of public anonymous ftp. 13:35 hothraxxa: the SCP Foundation? 13:35 Which ftp clearly isn't. 13:35 There's a foundation just for scp now? I didn't even know ssh had one. 13:36 jonadab: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCP_Foundation 13:36 Err, which *scp clearly isn't, I mean. Isn't public and anonymous, that is. 13:36 "secure, contain, protect" 13:36 <@Winsalot> I think I fucked up just now 13:37 <@Winsalot> Like I fucked up my computer 13:37 What's the worst that could happen? 13:37 What could possibly go wrong? 13:37 (Is Arch poetteringed?) 13:37 <@Winsalot> I mounted my usb directly to /dev/ 13:38 Hmm. That seems suboptimal. Can you umount it? 13:38 <@Winsalot> Now /dec/ is fucking empty and computer is acting weird 13:38 <@Winsalot> I mean /dev/ 13:39 oh THAT scp.... 13:39 @Winsalot : Try rebooting? 13:39 i was wondering what you meant for a moment 13:39 <@Winsalot> I was just trying to format that usb, prepare it for arch install... 13:39 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:40 Modern systems (anything at least new enough to have udev) can probably survive this, with a reboot. I think. 13:40 Hopefully. 13:40 YOLO. 13:40 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:10520 13:41 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed master key of thievery", on T:10523 13:41 <@Winsalot> Fuuu 13:41 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/443105053646127114/JPEG_20180507_204044.jpg 13:41 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:10524 13:41 @Winsalot you have physical access, just shut it down via the power button 13:42 Maybe do sync first, if possible. 13:42 <@Winsalot> Whats that? 13:42 sync is a command that is supposed to cause filesystems to flush their output buffers to disk. 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:10532 13:43 Assuming they still can, under these conditions. Which is possible, especially if they're kernel space. 13:43 <@Winsalot> Shoukd I have made a dir before mounting? 13:43 The ideal thing would've been to create a temporary directory and mount there, yes. 13:43 Or use /mnt 13:44 Note that mounting overtop of existing data _usually_ does not do anything to those data, just makes them harder for software on the system to access while something else is mounted there. 13:44 But /dev is kinda special. 13:44 <@Winsalot> Pressed shut down and this is happened 13:44 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/443105921401487361/JPEG_20180507_204353.jpg 13:45 <@Winsalot> It doesnt seem to be going anywhere 13:45 Give it a minute or two and then hard-reboot it. 13:46 try putting it in the dishwasher. I prefer detergent with a lemon/lime scent. 13:46 That is an approach I had not considered. 13:47 <@Winsalot> I imagine all my other files are fine, right? 13:47 Should be. 13:47 You didn't overwrite anything. 13:47 You just made some things hard to access by mounting in front of them. 13:48 hothraxxa: wait, have you really seen a nymph charge a ring? 13:48 no not that 13:48 I mean, they can do that... but it'd be a rare occurence, to say the least 13:48 could happen 13:48 I think if they had access to a wand of wishing, they'd probably charge that first. 13:49 is the ai smart enough to prioritize wands of wishing? 13:49 <@Winsalot> Phew, I think it is back to normal 13:49 in my bag, scrolls come before wands 13:50 <@Winsalot> Now the question wether penetrating my laptop with that usb will fuck it up again? 13:50 Winsalot, your dead monk just punched my face off in the mines. 13:50 hothraxxa: Yes it is 13:50 @Winsalot Next time, mount it someplace other than /dev 13:50 If it's blessed 13:50 i never bless mine, just sayin 13:51 <@Winsalot> bouquet: Im proud of him. 13:51 Incidentally, also don't mount it at /bin or /usr 13:51 knowingly blessed 13:51 hothraxxa: You mean you willingly give up 0-2 wishes? 13:51 so a blessed wand of nothing before an uncursed wand of wishing? 13:51 no i meant my wand of wishing silly 13:51 well I meant, a monster will only charge a wand of wishing with blessed charging 13:52 Ah. 13:52 i know, i'm yanking yer chain here 14:15 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 speed boots", on T:15898 14:26 man, fiqhack has such a clean ui 14:36 fh has a ui that is a quantum jump over all the others 14:39 <[Demo]> fh is actually good despite the shit I give it 14:46 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:51 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 14:52 <[Demo]> double killa masta 14:54 [hdf-us] [nh361] fusillade (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 1004 points, T:3074, quit 14:59 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 15:00 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:01 <[Demo]> every kill im worried its a killed by 15:01 FIQ: how will nurse-dancing affect my HP in FIQhack? what with it getting recalculated based on stats and stuff 15:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] xhypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:13578 15:07 <@Winsalot> So, seems like arch is really confusing. Don't think I have time for it today 15:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] xhypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:13593 15:27 lynn: HP will change as it used to in "old-style" HP/Pw growth 15:27 basically 15:27 FIQHack has HP be a function of level, constitution and a "modifier" 15:27 you're changing the modifier 15:28 if a nurse gives you +1 max HP 15:28 your HP will change just like usual if con/level goes up or down 15:28 just as if you had +1 more HP 15:28 does that make sense? 15:28 ah! that's what I theorized it would be like ^^ 15:28 ok, thanks 15:29 <@Winsalot> !tell LarienTelrunya how does unarmed damage / martial arts interact with monsters that need specific enchantment to hit? 15:29 Will do, @Winsalot! 15:29 !who 15:29 FIQ: [hdf-us] fusillade [nh361] xhypnotist [xnh] hothraxxa [xnh] 15:29 FIQ: [hdf-eu] winsalot [slex] Tariru [slex] 15:30 <@Winsalot> slex is dominant in eu 😃 15:32 it really has the EU market covered 15:33 <@Winsalot> FIQ: you use Arch right? I was thinking to try installing Arch and using it without desktop environment on spare laptop to finally learn linux. 15:33 <@Winsalot> You think it's good idea? 15:36 @Winsalot I installed Arch because a friend suggested me to 15:36 Never switched since 15:36 However it did bring its fair share of headaches, especially in the beginning 15:37 I would suggest something more fully featured, but it depends on what you want really 15:37 Depending on what you want to learn to do, you might be better off with Gentoo 15:37 If you just want to learn how to use a terminal, there's no reason to make it too hard on yourself, just set up Ubuntu or something 15:52 <@mtf> arch linux is comparable to tinyXP 15:52 <@mtf> or microXP 15:52 <@mtf> IE "we took out all the shit that comes standard with operating systems, if you want that shit have fun spending 50 years figuring out how to re-install it" 15:53 <@Winsalot> hm, so I would be better off just using something like ubuntu server? 15:53 <@mtf> for sure 15:53 <@mtf> arch linux is for power users 15:53 <@mtf> ubuntu or fedora is much more user friendly 15:54 <@Winsalot> but maybe it's good to be poiwer user? 15:54 <@Winsalot> Then I would be part of the "I use Arch btw" meme 15:56 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 16:02 yes @mtf explains my point nicely 16:03 <@Winsalot> hm, seems like ubuntu 18.04 dropped 32 bit support 16:03 <@mtf> but maybe it's good to be poiwer user? ah yes, I also learned to drive my first car inside of an F1 16:04 <@Winsalot> Yeah, I already reformatted my arch usb 😃 16:04 <@kritixilithos> mtf: oh really, wow, you must be really talented 16:04 <@mtf> hehe 16:04 <@kritixilithos> what os do you use mtf? 16:05 <@mtf> well, I'm a huge gamer, so I stick with windows 10... I use every flavor of linux ever all day at work though 16:06 <@Winsalot> I use ubuntu at home and windows at work. Windows sucks tbh. 16:07 <@mtf> nothing beats it for games 16:07 <@mtf> win10 isn't so bad now that they've put out a couple service packs 16:07 <@Winsalot> Maybe windows itself not so much, but its corporate app stack is is shit 16:08 <@Winsalot> I have to use skype for Business which works horribly 16:08 <@mtf> fuck skype 16:08 <@mtf> use slack 16:08 <@mtf> sounds more like a problem with your companies business practices than windows 😛 16:09 <@Winsalot> Yeah. But skype belongs to microsoft 16:09 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:10 <@mtf> so? you can use third party apps on windows you know 😛 16:12 <@Winsalot> Would you like to use windows at work? 16:13 <@mtf> I mean, I do use windows at work 16:13 <@mtf> my main workstation is windows 16:13 <@mtf> but I work with all kinds of linux environments constantly 16:14 <@mtf> and the people that tell you "linux OS'es are better at dealing with linux environments" have never used moba xterm before 😛 16:17 -!- URAQT has joined #hardfought 16:17 <@Winsalot> Hm, I guess there is no point argoing with you since you know more than me :) 16:17 <@mtf> sure there is... arguing helps people learn 16:18 <@mtf> you may know something / have thought of something that I haven't 16:18 <@mtf> If you think I'm wrong, tell me, and help me learn 😃 16:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] xhypnotist (Hea Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed figurine of an archon named FINALLY GEEZ", on T:20474 16:26 -!- Tariru_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:28 A an angelic being (peaceful Archon ... 16:28 -!- Tariru_ has joined #hardfought 16:31 <@Winsalot> !tell LarienTelrunya https://imgur.com/a/iB40DF1 acessing pokedex of myself in the same turn gives different information? Curses again? 16:31 Will do, @Winsalot! 16:32 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:33 -!- Pavel has joined #hardfought 16:36 K2: I just upgraded wiki instance. Took 2 quick 60-second downtimes and no other issues. AWS ftw. ;) 16:36 of course I don't have to convince you any more 16:37 Does the user `shpingrlde` have anything to do with `rld`? 16:44 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh361] fusillade (Ran Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:6060 16:49 <@Winsalot> @mtf if you want to learn then head over to /r/linuxmasterrace . Thats where pretty much all of my linux understanding comes from. Also that comnunity is surprisingly serious for a meme subreddit :) 16:49 I don't think that'll give you a very good understanding of Linux 16:49 <@mtf> pavel: he does, but moreso I do... The bot runs on my server 16:50 Ah 16:50 What's the context of the Linux thing? 16:50 <@mtf> oh winsalot was just asking about arch 16:50