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(Saving and reloading may fix this problem.)--More-- 07:21 I would think long worm troubles are solved in 3.6.1 07:23 Long worm troubles will never be solved. 07:28 aosdict: It's served as content-type text/plain. Most browsers will _not_ wrap it. 07:28 jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-04 03:14 EDT: how do Nethack Fourk and evil patch ideas allegedly not have anything to do with one another? three words: "elder black dragons" :P 07:29 Though they really ought to have a "wrap this text" button. 07:29 (Not wrapping is the correct default for text/plain, though.) 07:30 !tell LarienTelrunya EPI: elder and ancient dragons can spawn randomly starting from dungeon level 1. 07:30 Will do, jonadab! 07:31 jonadab: The reason I linked the raw was because I told it to wrap, but then the actual gist didn't wrap. 07:32 As a rule, HTML wraps; plain text normally does not. 07:32 [Demo]: Before SpliceHack, dNetHack's closest variaht setup-wise is SLASH'EM 07:32 I always looked at dNetHack as "SLASH'EM except actually good" 07:32 ^ 07:32 (no offense to SLASH'EM devs, just I don't like the direction it takes) 07:33 The Slash'EM devs never exercised much discernment, regarding what to include and what to not include. 07:33 Discretion, they say, is the better part of valour. 07:34 jonadab: I did try to wrap it manually, but didn't want to go through all that manual wrapping. 07:34 Never> Ali Harlow was trying to but was rather hampered by it being politically impossible to actually take anything _out_ 07:34 aosdict: If AntiGulp can't handle code criticism, I don't think it is a good idea to have him around developers. Saying that he doesn't understand bitfields is completely reasonable 07:35 I mean, it's not like I understood bitfields either before I knew how to program properly 07:35 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:35 in lowlevel languages 07:35 -!- stenno is now known as Guest67927 07:35 aosdict: As I said, it's ok, I have Emacs. 07:36 Pinkbeast: Oh? Interesting. 07:36 You succeed in locking the door. Aria unlocks and opens a door. 07:36 Damn, who gave my pet keys? 07:37 !tell LarienTelrunya Almost all variants have at least some additions t hat other people consider evil patch ideas. Doesn't mean that a v ariant has anything to do with evil patch ideas as long as it isn't intended to add EPIs 07:37 Will do, FIQ! 07:37 Wait, is that vanilla? Did they fix it so monsters will actually _carry_ keys now? 07:37 jonadab: I think I've mentioned before of a discussion of effectively removing assault rifles etc by giving soldiers black powder firearms, so modern firearms and their ammo would be only got by wishes - pretty much removing them but without actually crossing the line. I think he burned out before getting to that, but had done other things in that sort of line. 07:37 (There's code there, since well before 3.4.3, for item-using monsters to unlock doors if they have a key. But in 3.4 they almost never have a key, because the AI doesn't keep keys.) 07:38 Pinkbeast: Interesting. 07:38 It's a pity Ali is not still around (AFAIK) in this modern outrush of variant enthusiasm. 07:40 -!- Guest67927 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:40 !tell LarienTelrunya Some examples on some things people consider EPIs that exist in variants: dNetHack genocide doesn't work in the Quest or Planes. FIQHack/4k wand rebalance. 4k elder black dragons. GruntHack beholders. SLASH'EM create pool. SporkHack/3.6.1 orctown. 4k alignment record changes. FIQHack AI improvements. 3.6.0 speed "randomization". Un Cthulhu. SLEX interface screw. 3.4.3 Tsurugi of 07:40 Will do, FIQ! 07:40 Muramasa. 07:41 * Pinkbeast looks innocently like someone who used the 3.4.3 Tsurugi of Muramasa 07:41 Pinkbeast: I was referring to the Samurai quest 07:41 The Tsurugi doesn't generate randomly, though, you always know when you're going to run into it. 07:42 (Likewise, elder and ancient dragons only occur in dragon halls. You get level sounds.) 07:42 Without LS, there is a 5% of you outright dying once you enter the Samurai goal and the nemesis wakes up. And the nemesis has 2 weapon attacks so it's still 1/400 even with LS 07:42 FIQ: OIC. Never had a gripe with that either, although I appreciate you don't mean _everyone_ considers it an EPI 07:43 Pinkbeast: I consider it bad. Doesn't mean everyone does. This was kind of the point 07:43 FIQ: I know, just talking about my own experience 07:43 FIQ: There _are_ ways to protect yourself against bisection. Nobody ever bothers, but it can be done. 07:43 jonadab: Of course 07:44 Nobody> well, displacement's a cheap way to improve the odds 07:44 I could also have brought up Vorpal Blade too 07:44 Same problem there, and it *can* generate randomly 07:44 Yes, Vorpal Blade is arguably a larger problem than the Tsurugi. 07:45 jonadab: I referenced the Tsurugi because I was talking to a certain person 07:45 also 07:46 I tried to come up with something I could see be regarded as an EPI in xnethack, to bring up all the notable variants. I failed 07:46 So I guess, good work on that aosdict so far 07:47 jonadab: So, elder black dragons 07:47 Why? 07:47 There is, IMO, also a rather large difference between a variant introducing a controversial change in an attempt to improve the game's balance and make a previously neglected mechanic meaningful, versus gleefully throwing in a bunch of evil patch ideas just because they are evil. 07:48 jonadab: Of course. But do you think she will even try to listen to such an argument? 07:48 FIQ: By analogy with all the other elder dragons? Because there should be such a thing as a dragon that is actually scary and that the player wants to keep at a distance? 07:48 FIQ: Her? No. 07:48 FIQ: hah 07:49 let me see if *I* can come up with something 07:49 jonadab: If you want to cause her to listen to something, you have to try to play using her rules 07:49 Without elder and ancient dragons, dragon halls would be rather pointless, IMO. 07:49 aosdict: Just balance wands so their damage scales with user skill. She'll hate it. 07:49 jonadab: Sure. But this is something that basically have an instakill-armor melee attack that can generate *anywhere* without warning 07:50 FIQ: No. 07:50 They only generate in dragon halls. 07:50 Yes, they can 07:50 Ha 07:50 xnethack> lack of Spork-style sadism? :-) 07:50 Are they nopoly too? 07:50 Oh, hmm, let me look at that. They probably should be nopoly. 07:50 oh crap I need to add the Gehennom changes to the wiki, had no idea I forgot about that 07:50 If they aren't, they can generate anywhere 07:50 Shapeshifers basically allow monsters to ignore nogen 07:51 as long as they're not nopoly 07:51 Because they always start taking on a random form 07:51 A random form completely ignoring nogen 07:51 This is why I got a disintegrator by a magic trap in DynaHack 07:51 FIQ: Door traps perhaps? 07:51 and only didn't lose my Magicbane due to sheer luck 07:52 (my attack *missed*) 07:52 aosdict: I was thinking that. But I don't think the effects are harmful enough to be arguably EPI-class? 07:52 It's just more variety on the existing stun trap, of roughly the same danger 07:53 EPI: a door trap that disintegrates all your armor. 07:54 ouch 07:54 aosdict: hah, even I have the gehennom changes in my FIQHack changelog 07:54 Portals to another variant :-) 07:55 A portal from Sokoban to Vlad's. 07:55 One-way, of course. 07:56 when I considered adding hallu breaths 07:56 * jonadab shivers 07:56 LSD dragon 07:56 I was considering adding bugs, megabytes (ZAPM) and slexification (guess) 07:56 jonadab: not like that 07:56 I meant breath names 07:56 while hallucinating 07:56 Ah. 07:56 That would be ok. 07:57 FIQ: I have the gehennom changes in the changelog but not the wiki. 07:57 But yes, making yellow dragon breath cause hallucination (because it's acid) would be evil. 07:57 aosdict: The FIQHack wiki article *is* the changelog for me :P 07:57 Changelog lags behind commit messages, wiki lags behind changelog. 07:58 * jonadab tries to update the changelog in each commit (except for bugfixes and such that don't need an entry). 07:58 But my philosophy on the wiki is that it's a player-maintained resource. 07:59 jonadab: I agree in general @wiki. I exempt the dedicated variant articles for this 07:59 That's not unreasonable. 07:59 My philosophy on the wiki is that it can summarize the changes in a more accessible way than the changelog, and there are not any players interested in maintaining it separate from me. 07:59 I did add, to the Fourk wiki page, links to the Fourk spoilers and changelogs. 08:00 And at one point removed the horribly-out-of-date changelog that was on there, copy/pasted from the original Fourk announcement. 08:12 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:25894 08:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:35 -!- grumlin has joined #hardfought 08:35 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:36 -!- stenno is now known as Guest75261 08:41 -!- Guest75261 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:43 I have quite a trouble. 08:43 Arch lich summonned dangerous monsters on the level above where I am. 08:43 (in the Mines). 08:44 I guess I'll have to brave it to get back. 08:46 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 09:00 -!- antigulp has joined #hardfought 09:02 FIQ: I'm sorry if I came off badly yesterday. I'm always very happy to receive feedback/criticism about code or other things (That's part of developing literally anything). 09:10 -!- grumlin has left #hardfought 09:14 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 09:16 antigulp i've updated my copy of splicehack on the server with your latest commits 09:16 will probably push it live here soon 09:17 K2: Thank you! 09:17 antigulp: I was talking about something that jonadab said when you wasn't even here 09:17 So, whatever you're referring to, it wasn't thta 09:17 *that 09:17 antigulp: Everything seems peachy, I don't think anyone is offended by anything since we all seem to be constantly reassuring ourselves of that 09:17 Gotcha, my bad 09:17 I really gotta stop reading logs 09:17 hah 09:18 antigulp: what, no 09:18 backlog is great 09:18 I wanted to avoid "come to #hardfought it's great" "this guy sucks!" "wait antigulp come back! nooo!" 09:18 reading backlog give you info 09:18 *gives 09:18 I always read my backlog 09:18 when I join 09:18 i give FIQ a hard time on a semi-regular basis 09:18 ok got it 09:19 yes logs = a Good Thing™ 09:19 aosdict: bouquet was the one who didn't find the staircase in his maze level that was a swamp, you remember? 09:20 FIQ: oh right grasshopper had the staircase in the submerged room 09:20 those should both be fixed now though 09:21 aosdict: Do you have your comments about SpliceHack commits public somewhere? 09:21 https://gist.githubusercontent.com/copperwater/9aab1388d82d7258ee5d9e45553a2289/raw/4c2feb3c111a186958b5968c94e9d95a5b62a43b/splicehack.txt 09:22 (I bookmarked them for later) 09:22 thanks 09:23 aosdict: Throwing polymorph potions is ifdef-ed out 09:25 aosdict: Changes to muse.c were part of making a much more evil variant, where throwing polymorph potions made sense. When I started making something people might actually enjoy, I ifdef-ed them out because thrown polymorph = not fun. 09:25 FIQ: I didn't go back and edit *everything* that was changed later. 09:26 aosdict: Ah, right, this is commit-by-commit 09:26 so it might address stuff removed later 09:26 I forgot 09:26 antigulp: "much more evil variant" 09:26 Elaborate? 09:27 Also, throwing potions of polymorph is an interesting idea. I should add that to FIQHack 09:27 what exactly is a worm that walks in splicehack 09:28 When I cracked open the code for the first time, I started by adding a ton of EPIs. It's how I learned how the code was structured. 09:28 antigulp: Did you know that worm that walks is a new role stuck in development hell in dNetHack? 09:28 FIQ: I did not! 09:28 Ahh 09:28 antigulp: basically, the idea is there 09:28 but it requires structural changes to internals to work in practice 09:28 What does the role do? 09:29 A worm that walks would be a role whose inherent form depends on masks you wear 09:29 made from corpses 09:29 For example 09:29 Wearing a jackal mask basically turns you into a jackal 09:29 But not quite polymorph 09:29 because you *are* the monster in question 09:29 attributes, HP, Pw, skills, etc 09:30 That sounds super fun to play, almost like a different game entirely. 09:30 I can see it being very hard to code though. 09:30 It reminds me somewhat of the ring race (or role?) in Angband 09:30 where you play as a ring 09:30 (the idea being that you possess whatever monster decides to wear the ring) 09:32 aosdict: Nightmare in SLASH'EM and dNetHack is an evil unicorn. Maybe the SpliceHack one is meant to be similar? 09:33 I was thinking more along the lines of flaming horse, but I think its open-ended. 09:33 sporkhack has a nightmare (evil unicorn) also 09:34 oooh flaming horse 09:34 antigulp: Hmm, but what does the name come from then? 09:34 rather than the more generic "firehorse" or "hell horse" or whatever 09:35 FIQ: I originally became familiar with it in D&D, but it might very well be derived from something mythological. 09:35 Ooh "hell horse" 09:36 antigulp do you have livelogging implemented for splicehack? 09:36 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:36 K2: I was actually meaning to ask about that. How does livelogging work? 09:36 (In terms of code) 09:37 -!- stenno is now known as Guest17216 09:37 Similar to xlogfile, but it happens during the game rather than at the end. 09:37 certain events are written to a simple text file as they occur 09:37 aosdict: I like the twist you added to orc town, although for being a truly nefarious nethack developer, you should make the shopkeeper appear randomly :-) 09:37 and the bot here in irc can pick up on those and annouce what happens 09:38 Tangles made livelogging possible for 3.6.1 and aosdict added it to xnethack also 09:38 aosdict: that would make you crush the hopes of the players TWICE! once when they get to orc town and the second time when they find out the shk isn't there :-) 09:38 bhaak that is very evil. i approve 09:39 dNetHack has argentum (silver) golems. They drop silver gear. However, they don't generate randomly and only appear in a single level, 8 of them 09:39 * FIQ slaps bhaak around a bit with a large FIQ-bot 09:40 hah 09:40 Wait, make it so that sometimes the shopkeeper _is_ generated, but as soon as you chat to him, an orc runs in and stabs him to death. 09:41 -!- Guest17216 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:41 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 11840 points, T:4429, killed by an ochre jelly 09:42 lol jonadab 09:42 YES 09:42 jonadab: omg 09:42 K2: Why am I not surprised that GruntHack is your favorite variant? 09:42 yeah, that's something that is missing in nethack. time based puzzles. like getting in time to a shopkeeper to save him from a hord of orcs 09:43 bhaak: dNetHack has that 09:43 Only in a single place for a single role though 09:43 oh, cool 09:43 :) 09:43 Ana quest home has monsters hostile to the leader 09:43 but they spawn on the other side of the level and there's plenty of stuff in the way 09:44 jonadab: spin up a game of grunthack in wizmode sometime and kill Izchak. watch what happens 09:44 but if you play (much) too slowly, the leader is killed 09:48 FIQ: [backscroll] Isn't the word nightmare derived from sleep paralysis and the hallucination that there's a horse sitting on your chest preventing you from moving? 09:58 "Ah, the perennial struggle of How To Tell Players Cool New Things Without Making Them Read The Changelog." haha 09:59 aosdict: hmm never knew about that 09:59 aosdict: anyway, Un and NH4 both have good ideas about how to tell people about new things 09:59 NH4 has MOTD (but it defaults to being disabled) 09:59 FML 09:59 Un has the "hint daemon" 10:00 (basically a guranteed mail demon 50-100ish turns into the game) 10:00 which delivers mail with a hint 10:01 That's a really good way of doing it. 10:02 FIQ: How do you turn it off? 10:03 oh before I forget - May the 4th be with you! 10:04 Most of my ideas for how to provide players with hints don't get anywhere because I can't think of how to get experienced players to turn it off without requiring config file edits - and try getting windows users to figure that out. 10:04 lol 10:04 antigulp did you see my private message? 10:04 K2: Oops I must have missed it hold on 10:04 hmm I have been committing exclusively bugfixes for the last week or so 10:05 I wonder if I should just continue that pattern all through May 10:05 Poison instadeath removal: YES. 10:05 edit: NOOOO! 10:05 huh? 10:05 FIQ: Poison instadeath was removed and then re-added. 10:05 aosdict: For the record I am planning on adding it (again) 10:06 jedi mindfuck that is 10:06 you already added it back though 10:06 Sorry, unclear of me. I mean making poison less deadly again. 10:06 aosdict: oh, lol 10:07 EPI: make poison instadeath a random thing with each new game. sometimes it is, sometimes it isnt 10:07 AD_DSRM: 10:07 I think Chris_ANG said at one point "players will say bad words at you if you make their gear able to be dropped involuntarily". This may have applied more to armor, but still. 10:07 aosdict: Both khoR_ and @luxidream has complained about FIQHack balrogs 10:07 with their AI actually using bullwhips 10:10 I think what I want to focus on next for xnh is some of the larger system changes that are blocking other things I want to do 10:10 object materials, monsters casting player spells 10:11 well first I'll pull in the splicehack things I have no reservations about 10:14 well, *first* I should get some of these minor things off my todo list 10:14 :P 10:23 -!- antigulp has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:23 alright. about to make a significant overhaul to hf dgl menu 10:24 adding splicehack, i dont have room for it on main page so i need to make sub menus 10:24 suggestions/feedback are welcome 10:24 wait, why isn't there room? 10:25 um. was assuming that would be self explanatory 10:25 couldn't you sacrifice the line separating vanilla from variants, which shouldn't be that big a deal? 10:25 hrm 10:25 and 9/( is still available 10:26 so splicehack is already up and running 10:26 or else move the password/email lines down to the bottom next to Quit without a line of space 10:26 hit l on menu 10:26 9 and ( are for editing 10:26 rc cfg 10:29 [hdf-us] [un] sullysully (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 242 points, T:339, killed by the wrath of Anhur 10:30 your suggestion works aosdict, but I like having a spcae inbetween sections, it looks clean 10:30 clean = easy to navigate 10:30 K2: This is just changing the definition of sections. 10:30 we have personal admin section, games section, quit section 10:31 instead of games section being vanilla and variants 10:31 what i am leaning towards is this: 3 game sections (vanilla, nh3 based variants, nh4 + variants) 10:32 K2: something else you could sacrifice is that line of just ## in the header 10:32 yup was thinking just that 10:33 it also looks like there's a blank line at the top but that would make it look weird if that were removed 10:33 true, same for bottom 10:33 i like the padding 10:33 ## however has no particular stylistic reason to eist 10:33 exist 10:34 yeah... i think i will kill the blank ## row 10:34 but, if i add something else later on, like jonadab's overhaul of nethack brass, i will have to do sub menus for sure 10:35 nah in that case just remove slex from the menu and enjoy larien complaints 10:35 ... 10:35 why do you hate me 10:36 are you a healer? 10:36 I have an established pattern of hating them 10:36 :) 10:37 -!- Pavel has joined #hardfought 10:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:37 -!- stenno is now known as Guest4320 10:39 ok there. it is done 10:39 That sounds really dramatic without context 10:40 hah 10:41 * aosdict squints at splicehack's version number 10:41 he'll probably be on 0.1.2 soon 10:44 -!- Guest4320 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:47 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 10:55 so this whole time, the cursor has been in the wrong spot in the watchmenu help section... 10:56 fixed now ;) 11:06 !whereis joosa 11:06 Pavel: [hdf-us] joosa is not currently playing on this server. 11:06 Pavel: [hdf-eu] joosa [nh361]: No details available 11:06 D: 11:06 K2 please fix 11:11 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:12 3.6.1 does not have whereis 11:12 i imagine we may add our own patch at some point 11:28 DynaHack is not a NH4 variant 11:28 FIQ: Nitro-based, if you must. 11:29 sure, technically you're correct 11:29 but i lump it in with nh4 anyways 11:29 aosdict: I was just being petty 11:29 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:34 lovely, why can nobody properly make their commits about independent things (grunthack in this case) 11:34 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 6159 points, T:2703, killed by a minotaur 11:34 minotaur on turn 2703, rough 11:34 I'm trying to look up grunthack's object materials implementation, and it's all piled into the "GruntHack 0.1.0" commit 11:35 you're supposed to tame those :) 11:36 -!- Pavel has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:36 aosdict wait til you get to my early commits 11:36 its a shitshow 11:36 ugh forget this 11:36 I can't do this by reading the commit 11:39 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:39 * aosdict considers downloading dnethack instead 11:40 -!- stenno is now known as Guest66643 11:40 aosdict: I think it was before sgrunt did versioning 11:40 aosdict: also, GruntHack has almost no version history at all 11:42 * aosdict finds coherent, independent, well structured commit for the patch in dnethack repository. Hallelujah. 11:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:36026 11:43 !tell Chris_ANG Thanks for making separate commits for separate things. 11:43 Will do, aosdict! 11:44 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 11:44 -!- Guest66643 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:44 aosdict: Chris developed dNetHack for over 5 years 11:44 There are several years of non-history 11:45 dNetHack started with 3.5 or possibly 3.4.3 11:45 it's at 3.16 now 11:45 FIQ: Yeah, but I don't care because for what I'm trying to do now, there's a specific commit for it. 11:45 so yeah 11:45 aosdict: ahh, what for? 11:45 object materials patch 11:45 I said this above 11:46 Ah 11:46 Must have missed that 11:46 it's dnethack specific, but that mostly applies to artifacts I think 11:47 this will be savebreaking so I guess it's 0.1.2 11:47 maybe should just jump ahead to 0.2.0 to get ahead of splicehack :3 11:48 K2: pushed a few minor changes and altar colors 11:48 ok 11:50 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 11:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:36442 11:58 oof object material requires 5 bits and only 4 are free 12:00 ah well here's to making save files several dozen KB larger 12:03 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:03 other option is refactoring cknown or lknown into known, but eh 12:08 . 12:08 LarienTelrunya: Message from jonadab at 2018-05-04 07:30 EDT: EPI: elder and ancient dragons can spawn randomly starting from dungeon level 1. 12:08 LarienTelrunya: Message from FIQ at 2018-05-04 07:37 EDT: Almost all variants have at least some additions t hat other people consider evil patch ideas. Doesn't mean that a v ariant has anything to do with evil patch ideas as long as it isn't intended to add EPIs 12:08 LarienTelrunya: Message from FIQ at 2018-05-04 07:40 EDT: Some examples on some things people consider EPIs that exist in variants: dNetHack genocide doesn't work in the Quest or Planes. FIQHack/4k wand rebalance. 4k elder black dragons. GruntHack beholders. SLASH'EM create pool. SporkHack/3.6.1 orctown. 4k alignment record changes. FIQHack AI improvements. 3.6.0 speed "randomization". Un Cthulhu. SLEX interface screw. 3.4.3 Tsurugi of 12:09 FIQ: ... wow, that's a long list of perceived EPIs! didn't expect the tsurugi to be among them, I always wand of death the samurai nemesis :P 12:10 because I'm very honorable, hahaha :D (fourk giving -50 alignment for instakilling Takauji when? (EPI)) 12:10 -!- Pavel has joined #hardfought 12:10 wow, FIQ's list was so long that it exceeded his own message so Beholder didn't pick up the "Muramasa" 12:13 oooooooh splicehack is on hdf :) 12:15 hmm but the rcfile editor for splicehack doesn't seem to work correctly 12:15 Access to /dgldir/userdata/A/AmyBSOD/splicehack/AmyBSOD.splicerc denied (2). 12:16 if I hit ( in the main menu on hdf-eu, I could edit it if I knew how to vi, but if I hit 9 the terminal becomes unresponsive and crashes as soon as I hit another key :( 12:16 you need to start a game first LarienTelrunya 12:16 so the default rccfg is generated 12:16 oh 12:17 okay it works now, thanks :) 12:17 also, minor tidbit: on the login screen, the cursor is probably supposed to be in the line with => but it appears one line further down :D 12:18 i'm still working on it 12:18 its not done yet 12:18 * LarienTelrunya pastes her 3.6.1 config hoping that statuscolors will work like they used to 12:19 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "the blessed greased fireproof +3 GRAYSWANDIR", on T:29026 12:19 Who is Splicehack made by? 12:19 AntiGulp 12:21 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:21 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:21 * Line 15: Unknown option 'statuscolors'. 12:21 gah 12:22 -!- stenno is now known as Guest15806 12:22 ah i need to actually make the default splicehack rc file first 12:23 I'll just copy the statuscolors from your 3.6.1 rcfile :) 12:24 wtf is that a huge hitpoint bar 12:24 [AmyBSOD the Hatamoto ] 12:24 why so many empty spaces 12:24 * LarienTelrunya is confused 12:26 and why do 3.6.x variants have this weird bug where slot d (the ya) appears above slot a (the katana) in the inventory??? 12:26 ok we're all set 12:27 -!- Guest15806 has quit [Changing host] 12:27 -!- Guest15806 has joined #hardfought 12:27 Splicehack added to Hardfought (us and eu) 12:27 -!- Guest15806 is now known as stenno 12:28 K2: shall I save the game and reload? 12:29 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:31 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 12:31 yup 12:32 as in close out of dgl 12:32 any menu edits i make you wont see until you logout completely and log back in 12:32 okay, done! 12:36 !whereis AmyBSOD 12:36 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] AmyBSOD is not currently playing on this server. 12:36 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:36 oh, I guess AntiGulp will eventually be bundled into adding whereis and extrainfo :D 12:37 if he adds whereis, that's great, I don't have to 12:39 whereis doesnt exist for any 3.6.x variant nor vanilla at this time 12:39 oh, I see 12:47 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 12:49 -!- K2 changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org or nethack@eu.hardfought.org ¤ NetHack 3.6.1 official is now available for play ¤ new variant SpliceHack up and running (early beta, 3.6.1 variant) 12:52 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 12:53 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 55595 points, T:9132, killed by a Grey-elf, while sleeping 12:58 globs are weird... do they even have a chance of conveying intrinsics? or did they trash the chance of getting something good from a gray ooze (which doesn't split anyway) in the process of nerfing pudding farming? 12:58 don't globs just all give hallucination 12:59 I think 3.6.1 brought back glob intrinsics. 12:59 oh how great it would be to have an option "show statues as the statue glyph" 12:59 Dunno about you, but I hated `. 12:59 we can make boulders display the way they're supposed to be (the 0 glyph), why not statues too? 13:00 -!- Pavel has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 13:00 make it default to statues looking like monsters if you must, but at least allow us to get the 3.4.3 way back if we want to :P 13:00 that's reasonable 13:00 * Menche has tried to attack or fired arrows at statues a bunch of times :D 13:00 otherwise, that statue of an angel will always look like a real, live angel 13:01 ooh Izchak has a magic lamp 13:02 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:05