00:15 [hdf-us] [fh] ahrimen (Val Hum Fem Neu), 31353 points, T:2759, killed by a wererat, while fainted from lack of food 00:19 !tell AntiGulp so splicehack used to be called "GlazeHack"? What was the reason for the change? (I will probably find out in a later commit, but...) 00:19 Will do, aosdict! 00:27 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:33 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:33 -!- stenno is now known as Guest34446 00:37 -!- Guest34446 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:13 -!- Pavel has joined #hardfought 01:34 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:34 -!- stenno is now known as Guest48208 01:39 -!- Guest48208 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:39 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:45 !tell Winsalot If there was a gayish role-race combo in slex that can easily win via dildo build, I wouldn't be the one to abuse it. In fact, I prefer playing weaker role/race combos because losing is fun. :) 01:45 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 01:54 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:59 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:01 FIQ: YASI: a white unicorn's horn counts as blessed, gray as uncursed and black as cursed, and the BUC of the dropped horn will be set accordingly. :D 02:04 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 02:23 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 02:27 -!- Menche has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:27 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 02:28 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:34 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:34 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:35 -!- stenno is now known as Guest45375 02:38 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 02:39 -!- Guest45375 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:47 -!- Pavel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:54 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:04 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 03:12 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 03:15 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:17 -!- MysteryMyra has joined #hardfought 03:20 !ping 03:20 Grasshopper: Pong! 03:20 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:23 -!- Menche_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:24 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 03:32 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 03:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 03:36 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:38 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:39 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 03:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 03:40 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 03:40 -!- Menche_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:40 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 03:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased rustproof tinning kit", on T:74803 03:44 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:44 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 03:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 04:23 !who 04:23 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] Grasshopper [xnh] 04:23 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] lynn [fh] Raisse [nh361] 04:23 *fleecelfleecel* ♥ 04:24 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 04:28 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:41 Evil Patch idea: if you have a two-handed weapon curse-welded to you, you can't pick up items because your hands are busy. 04:42 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:45 ?? :D I think this magical chest contains the stuff I put in last game? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Pvj3hD22/image.png 04:45 this is right after I got a "save file in disorder" error message 04:46 is that even possible... what... maybe it's really strange luck 04:47 awww I can't get the items out without corrupting the save file state 04:51 -!- stenno_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:53 FIQ: ^^ the fleecy Lynn has encountered your hidden feature where you can use magic chests to transfer items from one character to another! :D 04:58 jeez mimics are really scary when playing elberethless 04:59 that's enough wizards dying exactly like that in sokoban, for now 04:59 why does it say "Watching ly" when I try to watch? (i.e. it cuts off the name) 05:00 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 05:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 05:19 !tell K2 slex update ready at master branch :) 05:19 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 05:28 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:28 Hm, Raisse seems to have invalid statushilites in her config. 05:29 -!- irina|log has joined #hardfought 05:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v irina|log] by ChanServ 05:30 Mandevil: possible, I think I copied the xnethack rc 05:30 There's no 'updown' trigger. 05:30 I guess you need to specify 'up' and 'down' separately. 05:31 oh, that's the old version yes 05:31 I just copied the whole block but I was on holiday and didn't feel like doing any editing 05:31 "as long as it works" 05:31 if nothing is triggered, nothing happens so I don't notice 05:32 when you really want to just play nethack, faffing around with configs is probably not what you want to do 05:32 what I wanted was play the new version on holiday, so yes 05:33 -!- irina|log has quit [Client Quit] 05:33 my config file has errors in it too. I'm just too lazy to fix it atm 05:33 But I am trying to get me rcfile up to the new version :) 05:34 Mandevil, looks like you are in a good frame of mind for it then :D 05:34 we'll then copy it back from you lol 05:34 I recommend against stealing from me until I've stolen from people who have already fixed it 05:34 yes, that 05:34 I will revamp it :) 05:34 Just reading the wiki article :) 05:35 It looks fairly powerful. 05:35 Still not embedded lua... 05:35 -!- irina|log has joined #hardfought 05:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v irina|log] by ChanServ 05:35 raisse: Oh, 3.6.1 calls the 'updown' trigger 'changed'. 05:36 right 05:36 what I had was the old 3.6.0 version 05:36 well, can't be hedgehogged to do it right now (busy with other admin catchup) 05:37 I've just used your rcfile as a starting point. 05:37 I love to fine tune my own config :) 05:37 it's fairly complete (though, as I know now, out of date) 05:38 raisse: Only the hilites section. I have my own config from 3.6.0 05:38 But in 3.6.0 the hilites weren't really working. 05:39 right 05:42 I don't see any updown in my statushilites section! 05:42 not in 361rc anyway 05:44 No hdf-eu? 05:44 That's where I got it. 05:44 I don't use any other hdf server 05:44 Hm. 05:44 You're right. 05:44 Where did I get that from then? 05:44 sure you weren't reading the 343rc? 05:44 I must be confused. 05:45 or my nao rc 05:45 Not sure. 05:45 Lunchtime now. 05:47 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:48 -!- stenno is now known as Guest11831 05:52 -!- MysteryMyra has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:52 -!- Guest11831 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:16 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:32 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 06:42 -!- deadnoob has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:43 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 06:44 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4760 06:46 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:33585 06:47 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:48 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:49 -!- stenno is now known as Guest64209 06:51 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:33654 06:53 -!- nooodle has joined #hardfought 06:53 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 06:53 -!- Guest64209 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:55 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:33755 06:58 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:33864 06:59 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:33903 07:04 [hdf-us] [nh361] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 10988 points, T:5534, killed by a fire elemental 07:10 ok shits not on fire anymore 07:11 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 07:12 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:12 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:13 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 07:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 07:13 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 07:14 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:14 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 07:15 -!- raisse is now known as Guest8211 07:15 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 07:15 -!- Guest8211 is now known as raisse 07:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:35492 07:33 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed thoroughly corroded magic marker named Bartholomew", on T:36967 07:34 are magic markers named Bartholomew better at spelling? 07:35 yes :) 07:36 I'll call my next one Erszebet :-) 07:36 see if that works, too 07:38 Bar Hum Fem Neu ~ Bar thol o mew 07:38 -!- deadnoob has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:38 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 07:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 07:39 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 07:40 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:76332 07:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:76336 07:49 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:49 -!- stenno is now known as Guest79734 07:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:76339 07:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:76346 07:53 -!- Guest79734 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:54 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 07:56 morning 07:56 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-02 05:19 EDT: slex update ready at master branch :) 07:56 Morning k2 07:58 ;) 07:59 dont want to work today... not feeling it 07:59 bleh 08:00 Same here. 08:04 <@Winsalot> !tell LarienTelrunya FIQslex when? :thinkception: 08:04 @Winsalot: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-02 01:45 EDT: If there was a gayish role-race combo in slex that can easily win via dildo build, I wouldn't be the one to abuse it. In fact, I prefer playing weaker role/race combos because losing is fun. :) 08:04 Will do, @Winsalot! 08:22 <[Demo]> losing sucks 08:22 <@Winsalot> Losing ia fun 08:25 <[Demo]> I keep splatting zapm and it isn't fun 08:25 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:39738 08:27 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:39858 08:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:39873 08:29 hypnotist's magic marker named Bartholomew is doing them good service! 08:34 I wish I could agree, I think I got it with like 30 something charges. I wrote two scrolls of remove curse and after that it was at 0:17 08:34 oh nooodle you are hypnotist, I thought you were just commenting :-) 08:36 oh, yup, sorry. I should probably change my nick at some point 08:37 no need, it just wasn't clear from the exchange about bartholomew 08:37 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:40173 08:37 I use different character names on nao all the time 08:37 MissLucy and Umeko and Hildegard are all me 08:37 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:40187 08:38 may make a dedicated priest account on hdf 08:40 one of my test accounts here is 'ChiefGreyBush' 08:41 nickname my men gave me on my last combat tour 08:41 assholes... ;) 08:42 Mandevil: dunno if you've used Cleaver yet in 3.6.1, but it's much improved now 08:42 K2: I have heard about that. 08:42 K2: Not as good as in Fourk though. 08:42 I don't know if "swing and kill everything including nearby shopkeepers and priests and pets" is necessarily an improvement 08:42 i havent used Cleaver in Fourk yet 08:43 raisse: Wait, it hits peacefuls too? 08:43 it can yes, but I didnt think it included pets 08:43 don't know from experience but that's what I read somewhere 08:43 (i.e. here, I think) 08:43 but yeah you can accidentally tag a priest or shopkeeper 08:43 So better be careful around this priest here. 08:43 for me that doesn't make it better, but worse 08:43 but in zoos or beehives... omg 08:43 [hdf-us] [fh] Zi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 19556 points, T:304, killed by a gnomish wizard's force bolt 08:44 and the castle 08:44 it's the reason I don't use Stormbringer 08:44 makes fast work 08:44 I shouldn't be hitting peacefuls. 08:44 you mean "it" not "I", right? 08:44 Yes. 08:44 i used Cleaver during my barbarian asc... it was a lot of fun 08:45 (xnethack) 08:45 Not sure how it works in Fourk, but I never had problems there. 08:45 hm, I'd still prefer to hit only what I was aiming at 08:45 I prefer maximum carnage. 08:45 ^^ 08:46 I just one-shot a white unicorn. 08:46 * raisse is in a meeting in another channel right now so here only intermittently 08:47 Oh! 08:47 That didn't last long. 08:47 oh no 08:47 :( 08:47 the kind of accident I was talking about? 08:47 Yes, this makes Clever problematic now. 08:48 i think its this way on purpose to be honest 08:48 I had magic marker too. 08:48 Sigh. 08:48 barbarian goes into a bezerker rage, hits everything 08:48 Such a nice start. 08:48 Mandevil: In Fourk, axes just magically skip peacefuls and pets, unless you specifically target them. 08:48 jonadab: That's how axes work in Crawl too. 08:49 I mean, you can forcefight your pet if you want.\ 08:49 that would be okay for me but hitting everything in its path isn't 08:49 But it won't get hit collaterally, ever. 08:49 what it should do, is check if a peacful is in the path of a sweeping arc attack - if it is, cancel arc attack 08:49 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:41375 08:49 yes! 08:49 K2: And just hit the one thing aimed at in that case? 08:49 I didn't last single turn. 08:49 jonadab: yes 08:50 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:41386 08:50 That also would not be unreasonable. 08:50 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:50 that makes it harder to fight in a room with peaceful and hostile mixed, but that's no problem 08:50 Anyway, my 3.6.1 is now setup nicely. 08:50 nice 08:50 still good for beehives and barracks etcetera 08:50 -!- stenno is now known as Guest88235 08:50 raisse: Basically this forces you to wield different weapon whenever peacefuls are around. 08:50 again, like stormbringer 08:50 too much admin overhead for me 08:51 I think this is stupid. 08:51 It's basically UI screw. 08:51 It disables paranoidhit 08:51 <[Demo]> what changes did 3.6.1 make when it changed from devel to official? 08:51 None. 08:52 At one point you simply proclaim the development version to be the final version. 08:52 <[Demo]> coolio 08:52 basically "okay, it's finished" 08:52 dev here on hardfought was new enough, the change was very minor 08:52 i think something to do with grappling hooks was the only new gameplay change between the two 08:52 does anyone use grappling hooks ever? 08:53 i havent 08:53 Never. 08:53 ahhh ok I have found the VS in my current sporkhack game 08:53 lets go find the wizard 08:53 yay! 08:54 sporkhack is evil enough, i still cant say with too much confidence that i'll ascend 08:54 Priest of Moloch is a giant shoggoth? ;-) 08:54 but its looking good. i have multiple magic markers for a change 08:54 heh 08:55 -!- Guest88235 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:57 <[Demo]> Wait no way 08:57 I tuned in. 08:57 <[Demo]> they fixed my grappling hook bug? 08:58 what was your grappling hook bug? 08:58 raisse: if you play an xnh arc you may have more reason to try out grappling hooks (they now start with one) 08:59 I'm currently playing 3.6.1 gnome wiz but I'll try when the fancy takes me 09:00 I figure grappling hooks are so marginal only because they are so rare and nobody ever finds them until late in the game if ever 09:00 and giving them to arcs is a good way to probably expose more bugs :) 09:02 What do they do anyway? 09:03 You can pull small monsters to you, you can use it to grab items from a distance, you can use it to pull yourself across some squares, etc. 09:03 Unfortunately it's still kind of random whether it works or whether you hurt yourself in the process. 09:04 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:43485 09:04 [hdf-us] [fh] Zed (Anya) (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 3982 points, T:43, quit 09:04 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:43486 09:05 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 09:07 aosdict: The name change was partially because I didn't like the name GlazeHack, and partially because searching that turns up a ton of videos about how to frost/glaze cupcakes. 09:07 AntiGulp: Message from aosdict at 2018-05-02 00:19 EDT: so splicehack used to be called "GlazeHack"? What was the reason for the change? (I will probably find out in a later commit, but...) 09:08 lol 09:08 thats the best - reason - ever 09:09 I decided that I would rather avoid that lol 09:09 AntiGulp: I've gotten up to March 16. There are at least 40 commits still to go. 09:10 hm, searching for glazehack gives me a bunch of hits about hacked pokemon glaze roms 09:10 splicehack gives me the github as top link so that's good 09:11 aosdict: Oh yeah, that was the other reason. One of the most popular hacked pokemon ROMs is called Pokemon Glazed. 09:12 ...xnethack search gives me 1) nethack.org 2) xnethack wiki page 3) wikipedia nethack 4) nethackwiki nethack 5) my xnethack reddit announcement 6) sourceforge nethack download 7) NAO web term 8) finally the xnh github. 09:12 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed partially eaten chickatrice corpse", on T:43870 09:12 congrats on picking a name with SEO potential. 09:12 Woo! 09:12 For real, picking variant names is hard. 09:14 Hmm, dnethack only puts nethack.org between its wiki page and its github, yet it uses the same naming scheme. 09:14 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:43910 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:43940 09:17 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:43959 09:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) wished for "3 cursed dilithium crystals", on T:43972 09:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) wished for "3 cursed dilithium crystals", on T:43973 09:18 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu) wished for "3 cursed dilithium crystals", on T:43974 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 3267842 points, T:43974, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hypnotist/nh361/dumplog/1525142074.nh361.txt 09:19 \o/ 09:19 good job nooodle! 09:19 \o/ ty 09:19 !asc hypnotist 09:19 nooodle: [hdf-us] hypnotist has ascended 3 times in 8 games (37.50%): nh361:3 (60.00%) 09:19 <@Tone> 'grats 😄 09:20 !streak hypnotist 09:20 K2: [hdf-us] hypnotist Max[nh361]: 2 (2018-04-24 - 2018-04-30). Current[nh361]: 1 (since 2018-04-30). 09:20 K2: [hdf-eu] No streaks for hypnotist on this server. 09:20 ah 09:20 i messed up, yeah :( 09:20 its all good 09:21 even a 2 streak is impressive imo 09:21 anyway, back on the streak. what should i play next 09:21 tyty 09:21 congrats nooodle! 09:21 let beholder decide 09:21 !role 09:21 K2: xnethack barbarian 09:21 lol 09:21 err 09:21 i just played barbarian!! 09:21 !role 09:21 raisse: xnethack wizard 09:21 !role nh361 09:21 K2: wizard 09:21 yes! 09:21 see? 09:21 lol 09:21 ok :D yer a wizard 09:21 and then !race the same way 09:22 x and 361 are equally fun imo 09:22 yeah 09:22 i like xnethack, esp the new gehennom 09:22 i liked x, but i think it's a lot harder in the beginning 09:22 and dual wielding unihorns as an arc or tourist 09:22 which makes me feel like i suck more 09:28 invocation complete 09:28 we need to add livelogging to sporkhack... 09:30 argh I went west instead of north, right into the small mimic I wanted to escape 09:30 btw... are bones enabled in nh361? still haven't found any bones yet 09:31 yes they are 09:31 if you play on eu you might get mine 09:31 Magic marker bones in Minetown possible. 09:31 (and I yours, looking forward to that) 09:33 3.6.1 was installed as a new variant as opposed to an update to dev 09:33 lol... one of my bones is a pacifist healer with very poor luck, and a dwarf with a fire horn, so i hope that DIDN'T leave bones 09:33 so it'll take a few games for bones to be generated 09:33 *nods* good point K2 09:34 however, Tangles wrote a script that shares bones between the us and eu server, so everyone gets to partake 09:34 Shares? 09:34 Like moves them from one server to the other? 09:35 or fetches them from where they are? 09:36 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 09:37 Mandevil yes technically 09:38 but shares is not incorrect 09:38 raisse: the script works like this: 09:39 for us server, looks at eu server. if bones exist on one but not the other, copy over 09:39 and vice versa 09:39 and keeps track 09:39 so if bones were used on one server, it'll delete it from the other 09:39 But technically, it's possible to get the same bones twice. 09:39 possible but very improbable 09:40 the script runs frequently 09:40 like once a min i think 09:40 you have to go down very fast and die very early to get the same bones inside of one minute 09:41 and switch servers to boot 09:41 also play on both servers at once 09:41 I'll try not to kill my wizards too early to seed the dungeon with CoMR bones :-) 09:42 heheh 09:47 K2: Cannot c!oGL? 09:48 i dont have any on me 09:48 :/ 09:48 I see. 09:49 i need to get unburdened 09:49 brb 09:49 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 09:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 09:50 nooodle: what makes xnethack feel harder in the beginning? 09:50 That is not my intention. 09:50 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:51 -!- stenno is now known as Guest16817 09:51 back 09:51 less food, less xp, less items. Especially for roles like tourist where you often want to trade your extra food in the beginning for a slower descent 09:52 well can't do anything about the xp without removing the whole reduced-spawn-rate thing 09:53 but food and items, yes, it needs more 09:54 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:54 i mean food from corpses and items from death drops due to the reduced spawn rate. really I was just saying "reduced spawn rate" three times :) 09:55 Why is reduced spawn rate a thing? 09:55 hum, but I suppose *increased* spawn rate would also make the game harder? 09:55 it makes it feel much more like crawl, which, yeah, isn't bad, though it makes me wish we had crawls "o" command that automatically explores. Since if you're going to do a level in just one pass (mostly), it's helpful to automate that 09:55 -!- Guest16817 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:56 well there's _x which sort of does that 09:57 I agree with jonadab with respect to a full fledged autoexplore though - it seems like press a key to have the game play itself for you 09:57 Walking around isn't the point of the game, right? 09:58 ya, i don't think that's playing the game for you, just eliminating some of the keystrokes that are mostly tedious 09:58 out of every 10k moves, i'd be interested in seeing how many are movement keys 09:59 so in your opinion, you think that early game difficulty is in sort of a valley with the current spawn rate, and either increasing or decreasing it would increase game difficulty? 09:59 Pressing movement key bazillion times is CTS inducing experience. 09:59 Just cut that. 09:59 current = vanilla 10:00 Anyway, we have psuedo autoexplore by pressing _ and then x a few times 10:01 I think _ and x isn't really like what 'o' does in crawl. 10:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:02 it's a tangent though. Ya. I would buy that in vanilla, the spawn rate difficulty is in a valley, where either increasing or decreasing the spawn rate makes it harder. Except for certain conducts like blind, where maybe it'd be slightly easier with higher spawn 10:03 "You see here 11 darts (319 zorkmids)." :O 10:04 But, could the difficulty be kept constant by reducing the spawn rate yet increasing the amount of items lying around? I think so. 10:05 no, because corpses and intrinsics are important too 10:06 Note that in xnh, there are more monsters spawned on level creation than in vanilla though. 10:06 The intent is that you only really see a reduction in the number of monsters if for some reason you're hanging around on a level for an unusually long amount of time. 10:07 (Now, I'm not sure that the amount of monsters created with the level is quite balanced, it seems like its variance is too high.) 10:07 i probably need to play more to have a better opinion. i'll play more and then comment. It's quite possible that I experienced some of the low end of the variability 10:09 i mean. there's already so much variability in nethack... i don't know if this is even a significant factor compared to (say) finding shops on levels 3-5 versus finding no shops. A single tool shop early on can increase your expectation of survival dramatically 10:10 a tool shop, or as I call it, a general store with some of the goods inside chests 10:11 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:11 i suppose one advantage of lower spawn rate is more time to steal from shops without filling the level up with danger 10:13 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:22 ah.... wow. First time finding a bag of holding cursed. Bye bye items 10:23 bones? 10:23 random boh shouldn't be cursed 10:23 I thought so too. But, it can happen now. 10:23 In 3.6.1 now they have traps in the early dungeon with cursed items on the trap 10:24 i didn't realize that such a cursed item could be a BoH 10:24 now I know... ick 10:24 That's evil. 10:24 ya, definitely unexpected. I lost a scroll of genocide and a scroll of taming 10:25 oof 10:25 Bad design. 10:26 Just forces player to do more pointless checking of newly found items. 10:26 no... i don't think it's bad. Just requires an adjustment for people who were used to the behavior before 3.6.1 10:26 cursed items are already a thing in nethack that require checking, so i don't see why there shouldn't be cursed BoH in general 10:26 You'll now just need to either BUC test or put in junk and test. 10:26 Why is that a good idea? 10:27 i'm more saying it's an idea consistent with other design decisions 10:27 Also it's a change that's guaranteed to bit unwitting players. 10:28 bite 10:28 And again, BoH is trivially testable for the cursed status. 10:28 It's just that you need to go through the motions. 10:29 well, all sorts of cursed items are bad if you try to use / equip them without testing first 10:30 that's a good point though that it's much more easily testable since all you need to do is put in a rock and take it out a few times 10:30 -!- Pavel has joined #hardfought 10:31 I guess I just play too much Crawl. 10:31 i like crawl and i appreciate their design philosophy in moderation. :) I think it has led them to extreme minimalism lately, and made the game less fun as a result, since quirks add personality. 10:32 Yeah. 10:33 oh, on the subject of "easily testable cursed items", how about throwing daggers and darts. All you need to do is throw them a few times until you're within a reasonable level of confidence based on them not slipping when thrown 10:34 With darts you don't care that much. 10:34 And you don't wield untested daggers. 10:35 right, true, i'm just saying, it's a nearly trivially testable property 10:35 like with cursed BoH 10:35 What's Crawl? 10:35 Roguelike. 10:35 or another example is an unidentified gem, that you can immediately engrave test to see if it's hard. It takes zero turns, so the game might as well just say "a hard white gem" or "a soft white gem" 10:36 nooodle: NetHack is full of cases like this. 10:36 nooodle: Few ice cubes drop from the wands... still doesn't self-id. 10:36 Is it like an actual roguelike with a terminal interface or is it one of those newfangled ones 10:36 It's an actual roguelike. 10:36 it has a terminal interface and also a tile set 10:36 I think I found the wrong one then. 10:37 Tiles/webtiles are like 80% popular in Crawl. 10:37 But console exists and is fully supported. 10:37 Link please? 10:37 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:38 http://crawl.develz.org/ 10:38 ty 10:38 play online at http://crawl.akrasiac.org/ too. I know the creator, she's the best 10:38 Pavel: This is what it looks like in console: https://voyager.lupomesky.cz/crawl/crawl-consolas.png 10:38 nooodle: Rax? 10:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:39 What I found was https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Crawl_(video_game) which appears to be very not the same thing 10:39 Still looks interesting though 10:39 Yeah, I guess all the rules about "x item can't generate cursed" go out the window when you're considering these new traps that always curse items 10:40 aosdict: How do these traps work? 10:40 aosdict: They curse your inventory? 10:40 Mandevil: No, this isn't slex :) 10:41 It would be cool if hardfought had roguelikes other than NH+Variants 10:41 Mandevil: Traps on early dungeon levels may (and this is guaranteed on DL 1) generate a fake bones pile consisting of a race-monster corpse and 1 or more cursed items, as well as some expended ammo of that trap. 10:41 Aha. 10:41 Pavel: at some point i want to offer Zork 10:42 I have seen a human corpse there. 10:42 Really, I don't see the point of complaining about getting a cursed BOH from one... it's a BOH, once you can uncurse it you don't need to worry about it 10:42 K2: You should also offer Crawl :3 10:42 Pavel: There are enough crawl servers out there. 10:42 Mandevil: So the player is capable of identifying "this item came from a trap with a corpse on it, better #name it 'cursed'" 10:42 aosdict: Yes, right. 10:43 Pavel: Hardfought does offer ZAPM. 10:43 Oh, I didn't know that 10:44 easter egg 10:45 K2: perhaps to access the zapm menu, ssh zapm@hardfought.org. 10:45 How do you currently access it? 10:46 z 10:47 zzz 10:47 * Grassy snores 10:47 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 10:47 Yay! I'm sound and hale again 10:51 If I'm playing as a healer, what kind of weapon should I be looking for? 10:51 I'm guessing the Scalpel isn't all that great. 10:51 unicorn horn is quite good 10:51 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:52 daggers, darts, quality staves also good 10:52 -!- stenno is now known as Guest71026 10:52 knives esp good, but hard to find a decent sized stack of them until at least mid-game 10:52 So no swords or larger weapons of any kind would work well 10:52 or just find an altar and sacc until your god gifts you something 10:53 aosdict: ironically, I found an uncursed BoH before I found a means to uncurse the first one 10:53 well, not ironic. Just silly 10:53 BoH? 10:53 healers can get to basic in scimitar, saber, mace, polearms, spear, trident 10:54 so all of those make a decent choice for early game, esp trident and saber if you are lucky enough to find one 10:54 Pavel: in xnh, scalpel is decent 10:54 Ok, thanks 10:54 better than daggers or darts, for melee 10:54 Oh yeah, I remember reading that scalpel changed 10:54 That's nice 10:55 But I should still try to find a mace or spear, right? 10:55 Mace is worse than scalpel, so no. 10:55 yeah, daggers/darts are really for ranged options. As a healer, ranged is good (keep monsters away from you) 10:55 And scalpel trains knife skill which is good to have for later 10:56 (after you can loot Ludios for knives or whatever) 10:56 Interesting 10:56 -!- Guest71026 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:56 I guess I'll stick with scalpel 10:56 you might be better staying with scalpel over mace/spear in xnh 10:56 unless you find something enchanted to +1 or more 10:57 you can work out enchantment by dropping stuff in shops. The price shk will buy at goes up by 5zm for each +1 10:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:58 aww yiss spinach tin 10:58 yummy spinach 10:59 Yum scrum bum 10:59 --things I have never said before playing Nethack 10:59 tinned spinach is especially awful 10:59 I would say mace or spear only if you find a good enchantment on one, yeah 10:59 IRL 10:59 I've never had tinned spinach (though I have frozen spinach occasionally) 10:59 well, thawed 10:59 frozen is OK for cooking 11:00 when I was a kid I always marvelled at popeye because we didn't *have* tinned spinach in NL 11:00 I have to choke down the last of some frozen spinach I steamed the other day for today's lunch 11:00 aosdict, just watch those muscles pop 11:00 Why would you buy spinach in the first place if you don't want to eat it later 11:00 I only use frozen spinach for spinach pie and the occasional recipe that needs spinach but not as the main ingredient 11:01 * aosdict should make spinach squares at some poin 11:01 point 11:02 how do you make spinach squares? *interested* 11:02 let me see if I have the recipe on this computer 11:02 here's my spinach pie recipe https://valdyas.org/irina/fo3/food/spinach-pie/ 11:02 if not, it's in my sister's box of index cards at her house 11:03 * Grasshopper imagines an index card stuck inside aosdict's computer 11:03 nope don't have it 11:03 will visit her next week, try to remind me 11:04 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 11:04 raisse: wait so this is more of a quiche? 11:05 "Ok Google, remind me in a week to tell aosdict to make spinach squares." 11:05 oh wait hard-boiled eggs 11:05 hmm, not a fan of those 11:06 "You have a sad feeling for a moment, then it passes" is your pet died, right 11:06 yes 11:06 aosdict: I think it's a quiche if the eggs predominate, and in this one they don't 11:06 aosdict: you can skip the eggs 11:07 the hard-boiled eggs, that is 11:07 also a quiche doesn't have a crust? 11:07 at least no top crust 11:07 I have a spinach and feta quiche recipe somewhere 11:07 mmm spinach and feta 11:07 I make spinach and feta "swiss roll" occasionally, with pine nuts 11:07 and yeah, quiches can be crustless but I prefer them with a bottom crust 11:07 I had a quieche once, it was horrible 11:08 *quiche 11:08 I don't know if that has to do with quiches in general or just this one instance 11:08 But I've never had another one since 11:08 I suspect just that one instance, I've had horrible ones too 11:08 I also like to make cheddar and broccoli quiche 11:08 quiches tend to be horrible when underdone 11:09 I think it had cauliflower in it 11:10 raisse: since I make all my crusts from hand, I'm having a hard time figuring out what the intended size of that bell pepper and goat cheese pie is supposed to be. 11:10 Fun fact: In Russian, cauliflower is Цветная Капуста, which literally translates as "colorful cabbage". 11:10 ...but it's white 11:10 Yes 11:11 Maybe it's like cauli <-> color? 11:12 last time I went to my grocery store they were selling this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Romanesco_broccoli_%283%29.jpg and had it labeled as "fractal cauliflower" :D 11:14 YANI: A cosmestible named "Colorful Cabbage", which appears as a white % even when playing with colors 11:15 Or alternatively, a "Cauliflower" cosmestible that changes it's color with each step 11:20 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:21 <@Tone> Fractal Cauliflower, ha 11:21 <@Tone> I have seen that referred to as fractal broccoli though 11:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:22 in taste it's sort of between the two 11:22 That sounds absolutely awful 11:23 they used some in star wars episode 7 because it looks like alien food 11:23 as a prop 11:23 hah, cool 11:23 an edible prop! (can't remember whether Rey actually eats it) 11:24 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 11:27 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 3 throwing stars on an altar, on T:4646 11:27 on the planes (sporkhack) 11:29 nice 11:29 !where K2 11:29 try !whereis 11:29 !whereis K2 11:29 Pavel: [hdf-us] k2 [sp]: (Rog Dwa Fem Neu) T:54900 The Elemental Planes level: -2 (with Amulet) 11:29 ty 11:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:30 !whenis K2 11:31 !whois K2 11:31 !whatis K2 11:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:77681 11:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:77683 11:31 * raisse has found hypnotist's ghost! 11:31 weee 11:32 aosdict: it's about 4 inches across 11:32 level below minetown 11:32 I always find Elenmirie's ghosts 11:32 raisse: I wonder what the proper way is to expand it to a full pie then 11:32 I was going to look if someone could spare a pickaxe so I can get into orctown 11:32 I've never tried to make that as a full pie, I only make it for my daughter who doesn't like spinach 11:33 also, didn't know that about the immersing a pepper in boiling water. that works in only a few seconds? 11:33 yes, surprisingly 11:33 It's a well-known fact that as you get older the less horrible most vegetables taste 11:33 and the worse sweet foods taste 11:33 most of our family loves most vegetables 11:34 and I'm 60 years old and still like sweets (as in: desserts, puddings) 11:34 and chocolate 11:34 raisse: okay perhaps overly sweet foods 11:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:77689 11:34 like candyfloss? 11:34 but it's a biological fact that young humans are designed to like sweet, yes 11:35 yes, used to love that as a kid and now want only one strand when someone else has it 11:35 I bought a container of french vanilla ice cream the other day. My sister and I love it, our parents hate it and claim it's too sweet. 11:36 More for me 11:38 I make my own vanilla ice cream and though I love it other people tend to find it not sweet enough 11:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:77706 11:39 Those other people are correct 11:40 and so am I! 11:41 What's an "Ornamental Cape" for and is it good? 11:41 I've already curse-tested it 11:41 it's one of the random cloaks 11:41 put it on then 11:41 aosdict, I just got an "oops" and was kicked out of my game 11:41 if it doesn't self-identify it's magic resistance 11:42 Cloak of protection, nice 11:42 I had been throwing a blessed rustproof poisoned +9 dart at a giant zombie at the time 11:42 waste of good poison 11:42 oops, I thought I saw the cats walking over this pickaxe but it's cursed 11:42 aosdict, and if I try to go back into xnh, I am advised that I have a game in progress and do I want to destroy my old game [y/n]? 11:43 Grasshopper: panic 11:43 it wasn't on the actual pile so I think some dwarf or something picked it up, and got killed by a cat 11:44 maybe ask K2 to restore me back to my last save / last level change? 11:44 Grasshopper: can't reproduce 11:44 K2: can I get grasshopper's save please 11:44 yeah one sec 11:45 on astral, ok if i finish first? 11:45 go ahead 11:45 sure, I'll go get some popcorn and watch 11:45 that's probably more than one sec though :-) 11:45 well, unless it is some really hard conduct 11:45 raisse: I like how the largest tag on your blog is "wtf" 11:46 raisse has a blog? Is it about nethack? 11:46 no, it's about life, the universe and everything 11:46 https://valdyas.org/fo3 11:46 latest couple of posts about the holiday I just came back from 11:47 (at least two more coming, one about food and one about the orthodox church in sevilla) 11:47 Go team K2! 11:47 heh 11:47 purple rain x3 in effect 11:48 What's that? 11:49 better put on some Little Red Corvette K2 11:49 > As you read the scroll, it disappears. Do you want your possessions identified? 11:49 aosdict: Thanks for the heart attack, asshole 11:49 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:50 K2 wow those angels are eating up you HP 11:50 your 11:52 \o/ 11:52 yup, reflection in sporkhack is only partial 11:52 hah 1st time go 11:52 heh, I always put the amulet at "g" too 11:52 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:52 [hdf-us] [sp] k2 (Rog Dwa Fem Neu), 3959522 points, T:55305, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/sporkhack/dumplog/1524401765.sp.txt 11:53 woot 11:53 -!- stenno is now known as Guest80630 11:53 ok Grasshopper, what's going on with your xnh game? 11:54 refer above, it died with an "oops" and kicked me out 11:54 oh i see 11:54 can't get back in, asks me if I want to destroy my old game 11:54 gotcha 11:54 lets have a look 11:55 I'm worried that I freaked the game out with my awesum-ness 11:55 distinct possibility 11:55 ok i see your game files 11:55 will attempt to recover 11:56 * K2 shields his eyes from pure awesomeness of Grasshopper's game files 11:56 better to be safe than sorry 11:57 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:57 -!- Guest80630 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:58 ok Grasshopper give it a go please 11:58 I would really love some magic mapping right now 11:58 I am really lost 11:58 OK K2, I'm back in! Just as I entered the Sanctum 11:59 nice 11:59 \o/ 11:59 :D 11:59 let's see if I can break it again :o 11:59 heh 11:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:77702 11:59 yay, genocided L again 12:00 aosdict: paniclog from about 20 min ago 12:00 1524131440 Grasshopper: impossible dmonsfree: 1 removed doesn't match 0 pending 12:00 o/ 12:00 -!- Pavel has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 12:01 * Grasshopper bows Thanks you K2 12:01 thank you K2 12:02 very welcome Sir Grasshopper 12:05 no archons that game... lucky 12:08 maybe you were too low-level? 12:08 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 12:08 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 12:09 xp lvl 20 12:11 <@Tone> I ran into so many archons during my 361 game the other day 12:12 <@Tone> I was only level 15, I was surprised 12:12 hah damn 12:12 <@Tone> I almost never see them normally 12:12 <@Tone> Fortunately I was lawful and they were all peaceful 😄 12:12 -!- APic has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:12 i've been on the receiving end of an archon storm before 12:12 bwahaha I was not expecting anyone to trigger that recent change so soon 12:12 plane of fire, sporkhack 12:12 splatted 12:13 aosdict recent change? 12:13 K2: No save? 12:13 I can't really diagnose that. 12:13 no 12:13 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 12:13 just making you aware 12:14 it is likely a vanilla bug 12:14 aosdict what recent change? 12:14 but that shouldn't have crashed... 12:15 it should have been an impossible() only 12:15 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 12:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:15 K2: if the scroll of identify is cursed, instead of "This is an identify scroll." you get "Do you want your possessions identified?" 12:15 belated congrats K2! first I was cooking, then getting myself and spouse a drink 12:16 thanks raisse! 12:16 congratulations for beating one of the most difficult variants, K2! :) 12:16 LarienTelrunya: Message from @Winsalot at 2018-05-02 08:04 EDT: FIQslex when? :thinkception: 12:16 aosdict: ah ok. thought that comment was in relation to archons appearing for Tone 12:16 LarienTelrunya thanks ;) 12:16 !tell Winsalot no FIQslex, I dislike the player/monster symmetry too much. There'd rather be a SLEXhack Fourk. 12:16 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 12:16 my 2nd one 12:19 I <3 Finger of Death 12:20 K2: huh? the dgamelaunch watch menu doesn't show where my slex character is... do we need something extra for whereis so it can be displayed? 12:20 !whereis AmyBSOD 12:20 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] AmyBSOD is not currently playing on this server. 12:20 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [slex]: (Sco Anc Fem Law) T:358 The Dungeons of Doom level: 2 12:20 woohoo it works in the channel :) 12:21 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 9500 points, T:6645, killed by a panther, while unconscious from rotten food 12:21 huh, Some barbie left Cleaver in the corner 12:22 one sec LarienTelrunya 12:22 you never incorporated extrainfo into slex i think 12:22 extrainfo is seperate from whereis 12:22 oh, so that's what would be needed as well? 12:22 yup 12:23 sorry :( I'll find a variant from which to pull that 12:23 pretty much all of them 12:24 well I just happened to pick the one that doesn't have it: dnethack :D 12:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:77970 12:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:77972 12:24 oh, and grunthack doesn't either?! 12:25 unnethack also doesn't??? wtf 12:25 ugh, so I probably have to pull it from xnethack... but that's 3.6.1 and therefore has a different architecture 12:26 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:26 LarienTelrunya: I don't have whereis. 12:26 aosdict: But you have extrainfo, dgamelaunch shows me where I am :) 12:26 LarienTelrunya they all have extrainfo 12:26 a) BSOD2 dnh3151 80x 25 2018-05-02 16:26:50 0 12:27 the "extra" field remains empty, sadly 12:27 oh, apparently I need to move once to make it appear 12:27 alright, so I can steal it from dnethack, yay 12:36 wow this shopkeeper is selling a sling for a hefty 53 zorkmids... that thing must be enchanted! 12:36 LarienTelrunya - https://github.com/NHTangles/GruntHack/commit/24c79d123690ea95d944bedb4c4bd8f330c6b400 12:36 YASI: naming an item owned by a shopkeeper incurs a usage fee. 12:37 that's when Tangles added extrainfo to grunthack 12:37 you'll probably need to modify it of course because of all your extra stuff 12:37 yep :) thanks! will implement it soon! 12:38 how many letters can the "extra" field have? would it be possible to have stuff like VD100 displayed there, or is 5 characters too long already? 12:38 EPI: even type-naming a shop-owned item incurs a usage fee. 12:38 Even if you do so using a different item of the same type. 12:39 jonadab: haha, nice one :) 12:39 If you're not in the shop at the time, this angers the shopkeeper. 12:39 lol :D 12:40 oh, Trollsbane got generated in this shop 12:40 buy it :-)( 12:40 there's the axe of the dwarvish lords too, which would cost 28440 12:41 Conduct: you must purchase every shop item that is available. 12:44 YASI: new role, "compulsive shopper". Purchasing an item from a shop feeds your addiction. _Failing_ to purchase an available item from a shop makes you weaker and weaker the longer you resist. _Stealing_ an item from a shop leaves you in a permanent state of needing to buy it and not being able to, which is ultimately fatal. 12:44 haha, sort of the opposite of a kleptomaniac? 12:44 Yes. 12:44 Some people just _have to buy things_. 12:44 Conduct: you must rob every item from every shop and may not kill shopkeepers. 12:45 Bonus conduct: and you must have 8 angry shopkeepers surrounding you as you enter the Plane of Earth with the amulet. 12:45 aosdict, I can't jump over water in xnh 12:45 (They would follow you through the stair, right?) 12:46 [hdf-us] [fh] Zee (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 43249 points, T:5104, killed by a lynx 12:46 this used to be a bug in 3.6.1, but then it was resolved. Except that when it was in 3.6.1, it would actually drop you in the water that you were trying to jump over 12:46 at least that didn't happen (the dunking) 12:47 -!- mcw has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:47 Phew 12:47 -!- mcw has joined #hardfought 12:48 oh shit, I just got the "dmonsfree: 1 removed doesn't match 0 pending" error again 12:49 and a "program in disorder!" message 12:49 -!- Pavel has joined #hardfought 12:49 oh, Yennoghu is harrassing me 12:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:78133 12:51 Grasshopper: Can't really help with the dmonsfree thing unless you can provide a sequence of actions to reproduce it. 12:51 Or at least anything xnh-specific you might be doing that's killing monsters. 12:51 it seems to be pretty random 12:52 maybe it has to do with demon lords appearing? 12:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:53 killed yeenoghu with cone of cold, he hates that 12:53 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:54 -!- stenno is now known as Guest19169 12:55 its like you're Elsa 12:55 let it snow, let it snow... 12:56 aosdict, it just happenned again when I threw a +9 dart at a cockatice 12:56 isn't that let it *go* 12:56 trice 12:56 Grasshopper: did it kill the trice 12:56 LarienTelrunya: add all of the movie "Frozen' characters to slex 12:56 aosdict damn you 12:56 yes 12:56 K2: not familiar with that movies, I very rarely watch any 12:56 damn, my game just died again 12:56 OMFG 12:57 I never watched Frozen either, but I at least know its biggest song :P 12:57 asks me if I want to destroy my old game again 12:57 ok, then all of the characters from the movie 'smokey and the bandit' 12:57 oh it's called "Die Eiskönigin" (The Ice Queen) in german 12:57 K2: is there really no save I can test here 12:57 awwwww those girls have cute brush bundles ♥ 12:58 one sec 12:58 Grasshopper your game crash again? 12:58 K2, yes 12:58 first let me get your latest save to aosdict 12:59 then i'll recover 12:59 -!- Guest19169 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:59 First time this has happened to me: > The little dog grows up into a dog. 12:59 let it go, let it go, can't hold it back anymore! 12:59 dunno why i said let it snow 12:59 i blame aosdict 13:00 the cold never bothered me anyway 13:00 * LarienTelrunya remembers hearing the official hardfought anthem on the radio yesterday (Purple Rain) 13:00 she has cold resistance from birth, you know 13:01 Frozen is the closest Disney ever got to making an X-Men movie 13:01 aosdict see pm please 13:01 Anna has adamantium claws, she just didnt use them in the 1st movie 13:03 i hear she'll use them for next movie 13:03 Grasshopper: I spawn in your save next to Yeenoghu - any steps I should take to reproduce? 13:03 aosdict, try ascending 13:04 really don't have time for that 13:04 or hitting yeenoghu 13:04 bhaak: Disney literally owns Marvel, you know 13:04 K2: I fully expected Anna to develop some pyro mutant powers 13:04 it seems to happen when I attack, either with Magicbane or the darts 13:05 Pavel: I know ;-) 13:05 hm not seeing anything... 13:05 so keep on going until it happens again (or doesn't happen)? 13:05 I've been whacking him, nothing 13:06 maybe you are just lucky? 13:06 did you use your stethoscope? 13:06 it happened twice for me when throwing darts so try that 13:07 I use steth a lot in fights against yeenghu sure 13:07 aosdict want me to hold off the recover or go ahead? 13:08 go ahead 13:08 Grasshopper: game recovered 13:08 Thanks K2 13:08 I'll keep my legs crossed for luck (Grasshoppers don't have fingers) 13:09 but the direct trigger was attacking him? (and not killing him?) 13:10 still can't repro in any case 13:10 if it's happening this often, it should not be hard to 13:11 aosdict, each time it happened I was attacking 13:11 does xnethack produce core dumps? analyzing that with gdb/valgrind might be enlightening ;) 13:12 laaaaaaaaaaaag 13:13 though if it's a dmonsfree issue, it would probably be just because it was your last action for a turn 13:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:78253 13:14 and K2 or Grasshopper: no panic messages for the crash at all? Nothing about monsndx? 13:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:78254 13:14 lemme look 13:15 aosdict exact same msg in paniclog, 2 more times 13:15 the "dmonsfree: 1 removed doesn't match 0 pending" thing is an impossible, not a panic 13:15 oh but look at this... i have a coredump 13:16 valgrind isn't showing much of anything 13:17 aosdict, it just happened again (when I threw a +9 dart at another c) 13:18 ...aaaaaaaaad my game is dead again 13:18 no messages at all? 13:18 after it says "Suddenly the dungeon collapses"? 13:18 same messages 13:18 no dungeon collapse 13:18 I tried to save my game and it just went "oops" 13:19 not asking me if I want to destroy my old game anymore, just goes to character creation if I go back in 13:20 I'm chucking your +9 darts left and right and getting nothing 13:20 hitting anything? 13:20 aosdict i have a backtrace for you 13:20 what the heck 13:21 does yeenoghu paralyze 13:21 * aosdict turns off sparkle 13:21 http://termbin.com/8a9j 13:21 aosdict ^^ 13:21 Aha, got a dmonsfree error... unforturnately was not in gdb at the time 13:22 K2: Congrats on your spork win. 13:22 thanks Mandevil! 13:22 ok so was the monsndx panic 13:22 K2 is my game truly dead now? 13:23 Grasshopper no 13:23 Why does eating bats give stun 13:23 because bats are batty 13:23 this time it created an emergency save 13:24 easy to make available 13:24 gosh, sounds scary 13:24 Grasshopper your game is available again, but i would recommend waiting 13:24 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 11172 points, T:436, killed by an electric shock 13:24 until aosdict has a go at working out the issue? 13:24 now that aosdict has a good backtrace, he may be able to fix it soon 13:24 Pavel: I wonder about that too... maybe it's a D&D thing? 13:24 yes 13:25 sounds wise 13:25 The only intresting thing I remember about D&D bats is that you use bat crap as a spellcasting component for most flame spells 13:25 it isn't a D&D thing 13:26 afai can work out, it is a nethack thing 13:26 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5630 points, T:2662, quit 13:26 Nethack likes its little puns 13:28 !whereis AmyBSOD 13:28 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] AmyBSOD is not currently playing on this server. 13:28 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [slex]: (Sco Her Mal Neu) T:1213 The Gnomish Mines level: 6 13:29 Holy shit owlbears hit hard 13:30 Also I managed to drop to Gnomish Mines level 10 but only went down staircases twice by falling through trapdoors 13:31 ummm, whatever happened to my 3.6.1 rc file? 13:31 Mandevil: I ascended that sporkhack game with werebane :P 13:31 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 23868 points, T:534, killed by a gnomish wizard's force bolt 13:31 one sec Grasshopper 13:32 ._. I just died on turn 5 by falling rocks 13:32 <@Tone> Apparently it dates back to Hack where eating a bat would confuse you 13:32 Pavel: there should have been a corpse there to warn you 13:32 Grasshopper log out of dgl for a sec please 13:32 There was a rock 13:33 And then there was more rock 13:33 ok should be good now Grasshopper 13:33 i see there's one more thing i need to do in regards to the file/folder renaming from dev to 361 13:35 can't use the web editor for 3.6.1 rc 13:36 Grasshopper: Was this crash on the same level as your save was (the invocation level)? Looks like it died trying to look up a monster at (50,11) 13:37 aosdict, it crashed a few levels higher up 13:38 Ugh. 13:38 I don't suppose you remember the exact number? 13:39 frankly I don't 13:39 I just stole a shop's entire inventory with my dog 13:40 mwahaha got it reproducible 13:40 chickatrice on DL 46 13:40 maybe lv47 but I'm not sure 13:40 12 or so scrolls and a couple of books 13:40 oh nice aosdict 13:42 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 13:43 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 13:44 mhm mhm, getting somewhere 13:45 <@kritixilithos> Pavel: that's why (especially in the gnomish mines) whenever I see a rock on a tile, I don't go there until after I search it 13:47 heh, booted up a wiz in 3.6.1 and I start with a blessed scroll of genocide 13:47 those newts are toast 13:47 Who needs zorkmids when you have doggos 13:47 Pavel: I was not expecting that particular new easter egg to get triggered so soon after implementing it, haha 13:48 What easter egg? 13:48 the DYWYPI identify scroll thing 13:48 Ah 13:51 -!- stenno_ has quit [Changing host] 13:51 -!- stenno_ has joined #hardfought 13:51 -!- stenno_ is now known as stenno 13:51 When you get "Who is the Maud person anyway?" and forget the map, what is the name Maud referencing? 13:51 its from a poem 13:52 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Maud 13:52 Mm 13:53 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:53 > Your long sword glows blue for a moment. Your long sword suddenly vibrates unexpectedly. 13:53 ? 13:53 don't enchant it again 13:53 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:54 Ok then 13:54 +6 longsword is pretty good for me 13:54 means you are past safe enchantment, yes 13:54 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:57 Huh. "As you read the scroll, it disappears." with no other message or effect. 13:57 create monster? 13:57 maybe an invisible or hidden monster got spawned 13:58 are you randomly reading scrolls 13:58 Yes 13:58 lol 13:58 My dog stole like a dozen 13:58 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 13:58 YASI: scroll of nothing. 13:59 reading random unIDed scrolls is considered a Bad Idea 13:59 If the Scroll of Nothing is cursed, causes a random YouFeel 13:59 It's particularly bad if you don't know what you're doing. 13:59 Not so bad if you do, but also not usually useful. 13:59 <@kritixilithos> EPI: a scroll that actually does nothing, but gives a misleading message, like "You feel a malignant aura around you" 14:00 That's literally what I just said 14:00 jonadab: Got me a +6 longsword :D 14:00 and also made you forget a lot of stuff? 14:01 because i assumed you read amnesia earlier 14:01 Pavel: There's usually no need to read-identify enchant weapon. It's uniquely priced. 14:01 <@kritixilithos> oh didn't read your message 14:01 jonadab: Naturally, the scroll of nothing would be identifiable via "As you read the scroll, it disappears. Nothing happens." 14:01 aosdict: Indeed. 14:02 aosdict: but something did happen. it disappeared 14:03 hothraxxa: Are you saying a scroll of nothing should NOT disappear when read? 14:03 stenno: The amnesia was the first scroll I identified so it's cool 14:03 "As you read the scroll, nothing happens." 14:03 no i'm saying your message would be incorrect 14:03 nothing else happens? 14:03 I think it should only autoid if blessed 14:03 what stenno said 14:03 pavel: you haven't left that level yet have you 14:03 I've since gone down a floor 14:03 jonadab: One could argue that blank paper is a scroll of nothing. 14:04 pavel: try going back to a level you've seen already 14:04 <@kritixilithos> YANI/EPI: scroll of fill inventory, reading this will fill your inventory with a lot of cursed useless items that you can't drop or put away in a container, such that you can't carry any more items in your inventory 14:04 I've done that, I still recall it 14:04 loadstones, @kritixilithos 14:05 Pavel: That is not guaranteed. 14:05 ok. if you read amnesia, you shouldn't expect that much 14:05 IDK what BUC amnesia does 14:05 Amnesia doesn't actually harm your character; but it is annoying. 14:06 <@kritixilithos> that is more evil, I was simply thinking of weightless/extremely light items 14:06 Grasshopper try now (web editor) 14:06 There are worse scrolls to read-ID, IMO. 14:06 pavel: 1 in 3 chance you forget 25% of levels 14:06 forgot to edit a link 14:06 fixed now 14:06 jonadab: "30 gray stones appear out of nowhere and jump into your backpack, pulling you to the floor! You slip and fall underneath the pack. Your body is crushed. DYWYPI?" 14:06 same for forgetting identified items 14:06 Cursed boulders, that cannot be dropped! 14:07 oh man 14:07 honestly there needs to be more reasons *not* to read-id 14:07 <@kritixilithos> aosdict: +1 14:07 Pavel: Fourk has a scroll of water. 14:07 Like if you take of your armor nothing really bad can happen 14:07 I think Un also has scroll of flood. 14:07 punishment not enough deterrent? 14:07 amnesia is the worst really 14:07 or cursed genocide 14:07 If it might be cursed, create monster can be really bad. 14:07 <@kritixilithos> aosdict: would giants be effected in the same way? 14:08 I have literally never found one of those and I've read-id's nearly every scroll I've seen 14:08 jonadab: as a replacement for amnesia, right? 14:08 aosdict: Yes. 14:08 Punishment, that is 14:08 oh you will 14:08 but if the frequency isn't a deterrent for you, carry on 14:08 My reasoning was, scroll of water is potentially useful if identified, potentially dangerous if unexpected, but not as annoying as amnesia. 14:08 destroy armor 14:08 YANI: Cursed amnesia unidentifies items you know about and removes names you've given to stuff 14:08 he said he takes off his armour 14:09 Right, destroy armor you can prepare for. 14:09 I always take off my armor before read-id 14:09 wasting enchant armor in the process 14:09 EPI: if you read destroy armor while not wearing any armor, it halves your max HP. 14:09 Grasshopper: darn you and your giving me a savegame with Conf 14:09 that's why you wear your hawaiian shirt 14:10 I should find an orcish helm for this purpose 14:10 pavel: that's nearly a waste 14:10 EPI: scroll of banishment. Reading it sends you directly to a random level in Gehennom. 14:10 i mean it does save the enhcntment point, but how long will you keep that helm? 14:10 Pets don't follow. 14:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:11 hothraxxa: I meant to see if it's destroy or enchant 14:11 The one you really don't want to waste is charging. 14:11 i know 14:12 i think for genocide you are supposed to genocide electric eel if you don't know the buc 14:12 Or genocide, but if it's not BUC-identified you must, or else you might revgeno something you wanted to geno, which is usually bad. 14:12 At least it's ID'd if i find another one 14:12 actually i don't care about wastage. there are always more scrolls 14:12 ^ 14:12 That's mostly true. 14:12 Except for the ones you always end up writing. 14:12 Chief of which is charging. 14:12 (Unless Tourist.) 14:12 i'd say the one i write most is magic mapping 14:12 wasting geno sounds like a PITA too tbh 14:13 Ah. I _blank_ magic mapping. 14:13 but in general, i agree, charging is way up there 14:13 unless you have like unlimited resources 14:13 yeah, you're weird 14:13 stenno: True. 14:13 which apparently some players have 14:13 <@kritixilithos> EPI: scroll of greed: reading it will teleport you to a vault, leaving your other inventory items in your previous position, and during your stay in the vault your tele will fail to work 14:13 hothraxxa: I'm not weird. I'm _eccentric_. :-) 14:13 i'm charmingly eccentric myself 14:13 jonadab: I thought you had to be rich in order to be eccentric. are you rich? 14:14 Quaff fountain -> Spawn nymph -> Nymph spawns on rock trap -> Instantly dies 14:14 haha 14:14 Pro strats 14:14 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:14 <[Demo]> nice 14:14 EPI: scroll of lust. Summons 8-12 hostile foocubi the first time you read one. Subsequent times, summons nymphs instead. 14:14 aosdict: BY whose standards? 14:15 Just read a scroll and got telleported to a throne room 14:15 I'm American, so there are lots of people in the world who would consider me rich ipso facto. 14:15 What's that called? 14:15 teleport 14:15 Well, at least nothing's attacking me 14:15 <[Demo]> yani: wand if make specific monster that when zapped creates a specific monster of a specific type depending on what it was generated with 14:15 <[Demo]> wand of 14:15 <[Demo]> Oh well 14:16 Oh wait, I'm thinking of the adage that if you're crazy and poor, you're called crazy, but if you're crazy and rich, you're called eccentric. (Not that I am calling anyone crazy.) 14:16 <[Demo]> ur crazy 14:16 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 14:16 Ey, sokoban 14:16 I'm going to try to not get trapped this time 14:16 !whereis pavel 14:16 rikersan: [hdf-us] pavel is not currently playing on this server. 14:16 !who 14:16 rikersan: [hdf-us] Nobbs [nh343] Grasshopper [nh361] hypnotist [nh361] 14:16 rikersan: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [slex] lynn [fh] 14:16 SSH is blocked by firewall 14:16 People who call *themselves* eccentric may or may not be crazy. 14:17 ah rip pavel 14:17 aosdict: Everybody's crazy. 14:17 Have you ever met anybody who's NOT crazy? I haven't. 14:17 yeah my second voice says he's prettysa 14:17 <[Demo]> no 14:17 pretty sane 14:17 jonadab: Bureaucrats? 14:18 i am the only sane one, everyone else is crazy 14:18 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 927 points, T:1138, killed by a large mimic 14:18 pavel: you playing 3.6.1? 14:18 xnh 14:18 stenno: s/sane// ; s/is.+/doesn't exist/ 14:19 oh cool 14:19 any major changes as of like 2 weeks ago? 14:19 (cc aosdict) 14:19 nothing major 14:19 jonadab: if you make banishment only spawn at like lvl 15 and below (or stupid rare) I'd liek taht 14:19 particulary if confused sent to you main dungeon 14:19 unless amulet 14:20 Confused banishment sends you to heaven prematurely. 14:20 ouch 14:20 And no, the whole point of it is to complicate the ID game. 14:20 So it can spawn on any level. 14:20 psh you just made it the speedrunner's wet dream 14:20 Oh boy, debugging this dmonsfree error is sending me into the guts of hmon(). If I'm not back in an hour, call a search and rescue team. 14:21 complete quest? banishment. 14:21 aosdict: you could do a chris and just ignore them 14:21 never seen one crash a game at least 14:21 bah 14:21 I failed to step into hmon 14:22 heh aosdict 14:22 rikersan: I'm ok with that. 14:22 * K2 sends a search party 14:22 <[Demo]> Oh shit 14:22 <[Demo]> don't die 14:23 When am I allowed to kill Unicorns? 14:23 I'm lawfully aligned and found a white unicorn 14:24 Pavel: You can kill a hostile unicorn any time. 14:24 It's not hostile 14:24 Which if you're lawful means any black or gray one. 14:24 Otherwise, get your pet to kill it, if you want the horn more than you want a live co-aligned unicorn. 14:24 What would I want a *live* co-aligned unicorn for? 14:24 jonadab: not quite, techinically you can anger then its' technically hostile 14:24 Pavel: throw gems it increases luck 14:25 <[Demo]> summoning hostile coaligned unicorns should be a monster spell 14:25 cc LarienTelrunya 14:25 Oh cool 14:25 un-id'ed is +2, id'ed is +5 (type) iirc, glass is nil 14:25 works great in soko since they can't escape 14:27 YANI: one playable race should get a racial +1 luck bonus. 14:27 halfling, maybe 14:28 What's a wand of probing do? 14:28 Grasshopper: Looking like it may be related to the poison somehow. 14:28 If you zap it at a chest, it'll tell you the contents. 14:28 I think it also will tell you a monster's inventory, maybe. 14:28 I usually consider it polyfodder or junk. 14:29 <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: you here? Come witness the death of my diver. It's gonna be quick 14:29 @Winsalot: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-05-02 12:16 EDT: no FIQslex, I dislike the player/monster symmetry too much. There'd rather be a SLEXhack Fourk. 14:30 aosdict, hmmm 14:30 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:31 also tells you your alignment (and speed) if you zap at self 14:31 K2: web editor works again! 14:31 for 3.6.1 14:33 <[Demo]> witness the death of my liver 14:33 jonadab: building off that: dwarves get +1 luck while drunk 14:33 [Demo]: 'take a shot for every abused exploit' 14:34 Grasshopper: zeroing in, will deploy tactical strike shortly... 14:34 What's the command for naming stuff 14:34 #call 14:34 OK, great, I'm looking forward to my first xnh ascension! 14:34 ty 14:35 OMG, I'm yawning so much I don't know if I can last to ascend xnh tonight 14:36 Grasshopper: It seems like when you have a weapon that is 1) poisoned versus a poison resistant monster and is 2) nevertheless powerful enough to take it down, it reduces the mon's hitpoints below 0 without actually calling killed(). 14:36 As is the case with your poisoned +9 darts. 14:36 is that a vanilla bug? or xnh specific 14:36 aosdict, aha, that sounds logical 14:36 so it really was my awesum-ness that broke xnh! 14:36 This is because, for some reason, it only calls killed() if it doesn't print "The poison doesn't seem to affect foo." 14:37 rikersan: should be a vanilla bug, testing now... 14:37 does that mean I need to un-poison my darts? 14:37 Which potion is "That was smooth!" 14:37 Grasshopper: No, wait for me to fix it. 14:37 k 14:38 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:10736 14:38 Pavel: oil 14:38 Ah wait, this isn't a vanilla bug, it's a typo I made while removing poison instadeath. 14:38 lol nice 14:39 Pavel: oil is useless mostly but can be applied for temp light, or lit and thrown for fireballs 14:39 I removed an if block and ended up chaining an unrelated if to the else if below it. :D 14:39 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 14:39 Is it normal for a throne room to spawn with monsters that do nothing? Like I just killed all of 'em and not one moved or attacked 14:40 they spawn asleep 14:40 Yes, since combat is silent. (This will eventually change.) 14:40 if you are stealthy, you won't wake them up 14:40 whoa triple minetown bones 14:40 Ah 14:40 nice. Will we get quadruple? 14:40 calling it now: fountain quaffers 14:40 Grasshopper: YANI: Throne rooms spawn with locked doors and don't put their monsters to sleep. 14:40 well I hope not! 14:41 also what happens if a bones file has minetown with the watch but no fountains? 14:41 Ditto treasure zoos. 14:41 are they angered at that or just if you remove one? 14:41 in one case almost certainly not - I see "killed by a priest of Raijin" on the headstone 14:41 which means I had better be careful about chatting up the priest I see wandering around 14:41 that is, I'd better not 14:41 yup 14:42 so much for buying protection, but there's a lot of nice stuff here once I get it uncursed 14:42 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 14:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:60524 14:42 aosdict, on another topic, xnh also has bug with jumping over water 14:42 oh6: did he succeed in converting? 14:43 but I'll let you solve the poison one first 14:43 <@kritixilithos> !who 14:43 @kritixilithos: [hdf-us] Grasshopper [nh361] fusillade [nh361] hypnotist [nh361] bouquet [xnh] jonadab [xnh] 14:43 @kritixilithos: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [slex] lynn [fh] 14:43 hopefully this will round out my race/role/ascension on 3.6.0 before nao stops supporting it 14:43 Grasshopper: That one might end up being harder to fix and I'm not sure I have time to get to it before tomorrow. 14:45 I GTG, o/ 14:45 -!- Pavel has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 14:46 aos there was a similar jumping bug in vanilla 361 a while back, but it got resolved. I'll wait :D 14:47 Winsalot: sorry I was busy, but now I'm here :) you still alive? 14:47 this is almost certainly xnh's fault what with the impossible to move into water stuff 14:47 *by accident 14:47 rikersan: wassup? 14:47 LarienTelrunya: was about to leave a tell lol. you got lynn back on? nice 14:47 LarienTelrunya: just the EPI/YANI I thought would be good for slex 14:47 well I didn't, she came here of her own free will 14:47 ah ok 14:47 I thought you confirmed that the lynn from here is not the lynn that LarienTelrunya knows 14:47 I vaguely remember complaints 14:47 *fleecelfleecel* ♥ 14:48 aosdict: I don't know her personally but I've seen her on another site 14:48 but no it's definitely the same 14:48 (github checks out) 14:48 <[Demo]> Wait isn't lynn the fnethack magoo? 14:48 and whats fleecel now 14:48 amy's favorite color 14:49 stenno: flauschelflauschelflauschel! :D 14:49 oh lol 14:49 yeah thats a nice word 14:49 cozy and shit 14:50 heh 14:50 LarienTelrunya you add extrainfo yet? 14:51 hi K2! not yet, sorry; I plan to add it later, then push it when I'm back in my office tomorrow 14:51 hurry 14:51 up 14:51 kidding :P 14:51 huh? how much time do I have left? 14:51 oh :D 14:51 hahah 14:51 i'll say that to my candidates when i'm doing military stuff 14:51 HURRY.... up! 14:52 nice way to get their attention I guess :) 14:52 it works ;) 14:53 K2: pushed fix to the Grasshopper Bug 14:53 nice 14:53 bug of the grasshopper 14:53 K2 sounds like the easel in Mr Squiggle 14:54 the "HURRY. UP!" I mean 14:54 oh probably nobody here knows who Mr Squiggle is... 14:54 heheh 14:54 xNetHack updated (us and eu) 14:55 I had no clue what that was before google, and now that sounds incredibly creepy 14:55 aosdict: small fix 14:55 <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: still alive, but barely 14:55 all that hassle for a couple small edits 14:56 Winsalot: well that's all it counts :D also, deep mines! yay! 14:56 <@Winsalot> deep what? 14:56 you're in the deep mines branch, which is similar to the gnomish mines but more difficult 14:57 the reward (which also gives a junethack trophy) is a cursed stone of magic resistance on the lowest floor, and there's usually a town halfway through, too 14:57 <@Winsalot> Oh shit, I hadn't noticed that I entered some brantch 14:57 where is that? 14:57 just had a thought - out of all of our community here from countries whose primary language is not english - can you all speak it as well as read/type it? or just read? 14:57 waht level? 14:57 rikersan: hmm now I don't remember if I told you about the existence of SLEX 2.22 yet; a new branch that's in the lower part of the Dungeons of Doom 14:58 aosdict, thanks 14:58 K2: my spoken english is quite a bit worse than what I'm typing here, sadly 14:58 dont feel bad 14:58 <@Winsalot> rikersan: come over to slashem@slashem.me and watch my last breaths 14:58 english is my first (and only) language and I have issues 14:59 Winsalot: I guess once your run is over, you'll play on hdf again now that it has 2.22 too? :D 14:59 winsalot maybe for a bit 14:59 <@Winsalot> I dont really know 14:59 but yea use hdf i have a alias for that 14:59 <@Winsalot> Somehow colors are slightly different on hdf 14:59 damn youre terminal is tall? 14:59 oh, an orc-filled level 14:59 *your 14:59 I can't type 15:00 rikersan: curses interface 15:00 still mine isn't nearly that big 15:00 Mr Squiggle's blackboard "Hurry Up!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PGL80arbv0 15:01 winsalot, can you zap tele at yourself? 15:01 I swear there is a condom floating past in the intro to this, and "Blackboard"'s name comes out the end of it 15:01 <@Winsalot> I like to see my inventory and message history at all time 😉 15:01 <@Winsalot> already did 15:01 <@Winsalot> Im kinda fine atm 15:01 hm ok 15:01 Grasshopper lol no no... I dont say it like that 15:01 what role? 15:01 er 15:01 yeah role 15:01 <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: spirit bomb good stuff? Never tired it 15:01 looks like that burner race which is cool 15:02 <@Winsalot> burner diver 15:02 its 'hurry UP!' 15:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:61312 15:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:61314 15:02 Winsalot: IIRC spirit bomb does damage depending on how much mana you have, and also uses up all your mana; it should be quite good for getting rid of groups 15:02 isn't that hte name of the polynesian dude from civ 15:02 kamehaha 15:03 K2, it used to be longer in the earlier Mr Squiggle episodes 15:03 lol winsalot 15:03 the gap I mean between HURRY and UP 15:03 ahh 15:03 <@Winsalot> dafuq> 15:03 <@Winsalot> ? 15:03 huh, somehow that spirit bomb didn't do much at all 15:03 <@Winsalot> why so weak 15:04 explode(sx, sy, 10, (d(3,6) + num), WAND_CLASS, EXPL_MAGICAL); 15:04 [hdf-us] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 513 points, T:1083, killed by a giant bat 15:04 probably low wand skill and that doesn't seem to use techlevel 15:05 nah, WAND_CLASS is used for determining whether the monster resists; num is what's added to the damage 15:05 ah 15:05 num = 10 + techlevX(tech_no); 15:05 but yeah that damage is pretty weak :( 15:05 wait, do you have the eye of the beholder? 15:05 I don't see it but I do see hte key 15:06 rikersan: huh, you want him to use the tactical nuke? but that drains a lot of luck! 15:06 so unless you don't actually have the key and that's fake, or you lost it somehow 15:06 LarienTelrunya: nah 15:06 nah he did complete the neutral quest 15:06 not sure where the eye went though 15:07 K2: this one is better but you need to wait until about 1:37 to get a pretty good "HURRY UP" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ks797n8B9g 15:08 Winsalot: due to an oversight, the heavy machine gun is one-handed in this version; it will be fixed soon, but that won't affect games that were already started, so feel free to abuse that bug now :P 15:08 rofl 15:09 LarienTelrunya everyone gets to be Rambo in slex 15:09 Grasshopper: is the condom not a bottle? 15:09 :D 15:09 I thought it was a message in a bottle at first 15:09 which makes marginally more sense 15:09 rikersan, maybe it is just my dirty mind 15:09 yes 15:09 tho mine says those drawings are very phallic 15:10 but seriously, my mind said "oh there's a condom floating past", not a bottle 15:10 Grasshopper: you're australian? 15:10 of course! 15:10 -!- Tariru_ has joined #hardfought 15:10 Grasshopper: did you watch this as a kid and think that then? >.> 15:10 rikersan, I don't remember thinking that no 15:10 but then I didn't know what a condom was then either 15:11 I mean I grew up thinking australia was basically the wild west 15:11 I don't think that people talked much about condoms much back then anyway, not openly anyway 15:12 (but replacing horses and cattle with kangeroos and big ass spiders) 15:12 its a special balloon you put over your head down right below your upper lip and you blow it up with your nose 15:12 it was all the oooo, it's something to do with sex.... oooo 15:12 mr garrison? 15:12 mmm, ok 15:13 I mean I can imagine you as an anthro grasshopper just playing nethack in a ghost town 15:13 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:13 <@kritixilithos> K2: just like a hadrosaurid's crest, except it doesn't inflate 15:13 hahah 15:14 ..... kinky? 15:14 rikersan, lol. Try imagining that again but near the beach 15:14 Grasshopper: now you're wearing a lei and some moccasins 15:14 I'm a rare variety of aquatic grasshopper 15:14 well, amphibious anyway 15:15 and right now I'm next to a bloody big river 15:15 that's not possible 15:15 the only amphibious humanoid creatures are salamanders 15:15 not grasshoppers >:U 15:15 I'm a mutant 15:15 <@kritixilithos> rikersan: ? I remember reading that their crests are connected to their noses, and K2's message reminded me of that 15:16 Grasshopper: isn't australia famous for its use of casual swears 15:16 they don't seem like the type to go "oooo" over anything 15:16 Grasshopper: what, now we're dcss? 15:16 yeah, fuck that 15:16 aosdict: judging by r/straya i'll go with yea 15:17 kritixi yeah lol but the context of k2's message 15:17 <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: What I really don't like about slex is that some monsters require specific weapon enchantment level to hit. 15:17 <@Winsalot> How am I supposted to have +3 weapon when all my hsit gets stolen? 15:17 Winsalot: you can still hit them if you don't meet that requirement; it's a 1 in 3 chance to damage the monster (in regular SLASH'EM you'd be completely unable to damage them) 15:17 also I find this amusing: this irc window has been open for close on 4 days now, and nobody else in my family has noticied its existence 15:17 rikersan I wish I still had the picture 15:18 (this is a shared desktop) 15:18 K2: you know, I'm not really certain I need that picture 15:18 also, wands with charges count as enchanted, so a wand with at least 4 charges can hit everything, but of course it will do pitiful damage 15:18 while on guard/prisoner watch on my firt tour, buddy of mine got board, happened to have a comdom on him (no idea why) and put it over his head and blew it up with his nose 15:18 *first 15:18 bored 15:18 jesus... 15:19 y tho 15:19 ya know what. we all know i cant spell. deal with it 15:19 is this things you do in the military when you're bored 15:19 why? cuz it was hilarious 15:19 <@kritixilithos> riker, I'll give you a pic of a parasaurolophus 15:19 no I konw that 15:19 i had a couple pics but i lost them :( 15:19 but I mean k2 was talking about a condom 15:19 <@kritixilithos> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasaurolophus#/media/File:Parasaurolophus_walkeri.png 15:20 now I'm imagining that all we konw about dinosaurs are wrong 15:20 all those weird fossils? 15:20 yeah those were dinosaurs who got super fucking bored and inflated condoms and attached them to themselves 15:20 <@kritixilithos> (after k2's message, I am starting to see their crests differently, can't undo my eye >_<) 15:20 idk 15:21 hahah 15:21 mission accomplished 15:21 <@kritixilithos> *eyes 15:21 "What do you want to remove? c - 2 cursed eyes" 15:25 anyway cya everbody, i'm gonna hide this window and go eat something now 15:25 bya rikersan 15:25 <@Winsalot> fffffuck. I found a nasty trap I thinl 15:26 Winsalot: yep, looks like another RMB loss trap (the one you had on level 31, with the farmland everywhere) 15:26 [hdf-us] [nh361] fusillade (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 10345 points, T:10147, killed by a soldier, while paralyzed by a monster 15:26 <@Winsalot> ffs 15:26 <@Winsalot> back to the fucking farmland 15:27 ...wow 15:27 the level teleporter brought you there with laser-point accuracy? 15:27 did I jinx it? :P 15:27 #. ..# 15:27 <@Winsalot> of course I did 15:28 ^^ move a few tiles to the northeast and on the blank tile there's the stair 15:28 <@Winsalot> I remember where the stairs are 15:28 ah, good 15:28 <@Winsalot> Its just dangerous to move while confused 15:28 well the nether mist isn't nearly as bad as it sounds; you'd have to spend pretty long in it to lose a level, unless you just reached your current level 15:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] jonadab (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 761 points, T:6783, killed by an owlbear 15:29 the nether mist sounds like something from minecraft 15:29 Two hits. 15:29 wait, *jonadab* is playing xnh now? :D 15:29 <@Winsalot> this is enough suffering for me 15:29 <@Winsalot> will continue some other time 15:30 aosdict: a bit, a bit 15:30 Not very well, apparently. 15:30 aosdict: nether mist is actually from ToME, and also slowly drains your experience there 15:31 <@Winsalot> I will play some careless slex on hdf now 15:31 !who 15:31 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] Grasshopper [nh361] hypnotist [nh361] bouquet [xnh] hothraxxa [xnh] 15:31 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] winsalot [slex] AmyBSOD [slex] lynn [fh] 15:33 Winsalot: wtf, that's an odd terminal size for curses, it doesn't even manage to fit the map on one screen! 15:33 * LarienTelrunya can't imagine playing any nethack variant with a scrolling map 15:34 <@Winsalot> But how else am I supposted to watch tv series while I play then? 15:34 heh 15:35 <@Winsalot> Though I could make my terminal transparent 🤔 15:35 the biggest terminal I can fit on this screen with the default Courier New 10 pt is 208x65 15:35 Eww, Courier New 15:35 <@Winsalot> ew 15:35 Ugliest fixed-width TrueType font ever. 15:35 jonadab: be glad I'm not using Lucida Console instead :P 15:36 <@Winsalot> tbh everyhting thats default on windows is ugly 15:36 or Fixedsys, hahaha! 15:36 That would be preferable. 15:36 Fixedsys isn't .ttf 15:36 So that doesn't count. 15:36 yeah but Windows's cmd defaults to Fixedsys 15:36 (It's a screen font.) 15:36 Does it now? Didn't realize that. 15:36 <@Winsalot> Dejavu sans mono or ubuntu mono ❤ 15:36 Deja Vu Sans Mono is ok. 15:36 seriously, what's so bad about Courier New? 15:36 jonadab: At least it's widely supported. 15:37 LarienTelrunya: It's like a skinnier, uglier, fixed-width version of Times New Roman. 15:37 And Times new Roman is _horrific_. 15:37 My eyes bleed every time I see it. 15:37 aosdict: I wish it weren't. 15:37 <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: Btw, @ me if you want to message me while I'm (possibly afk). I dont get notification if you just write winsalot: 15:37 my roommate also has trouble reading times new roman; she prefers arial 15:37 @Winsalot does this ping you? 15:38 <@Winsalot> yep 15:38 Ariel is ok, but in a different category (sans as opposed to serif). 15:38 ok, will try to remember doing that 15:38 I _prefer_ Verdana over Arial, but Arial is ok. 15:38 Verdana is decent IMHO, but I really like Times New Roman :) 15:38 Eww. 15:38 Georgia is nice. 15:38 when writing my fanfics I use Times New Roman 10 pt 15:39 Please tell me they're not Twilight fanfics. 15:39 naaaaaaah 15:39 Ok. 15:39 Good. 15:39 That is enough information about that subject now. 15:39 <@Winsalot> this is how nethack is meant to be played 😃 15:39 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/441322947433463838/the_future_is_now.png 15:40 omg that looks fantastic :D 15:40 <@Winsalot> FIQ: post above is why I want FIQhack to support default terminal background 15:40 @Winsalot nice 15:40 I make my terminal transparent also 15:40 but no vids playing in the background 15:40 <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: can windows terminals do that? 15:41 I experimented with terminal transparency when it was a new feature, got tired of it, and reverted to opaque. 15:41 and i dont make it too transparent otherwise its distracting 15:41 Winsalot: I think cmder can, not sure about putty 15:41 <@Winsalot> it looks cool until bright scene comes up 15:41 hah yeah 15:41 if I changed my desktop background away from the boring gnome field of grayness then I might want transparent terminals at some point 15:41 oh @Winsalot windows 10 can yes 15:41 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:41 but I rarely actually see the background 15:42 aosdict: I see my wallpaper every time there's a power blink, when I start up again. 15:42 So 2-4 times a year, typically. 15:42 So yeah, it's a color gradient. 15:42 Or somesuch. 15:42 <@Winsalot> aosdict: GNOME you say? According to /r/linuxmasterrace experts GNOME is almost as evil as EA 😃 15:43 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2472/source 15:43 @Winsalot I only use gnome for gdm, my window manager is i3 15:43 Top tip for taking advice from anyone who calls themselves the master race, 1) don't 15:43 <@Winsalot> don't know these words 😃 15:43 @Winsalot Gnome actually used to be pretty good. 15:44 THen starting sometime around version 1.0, they started actively _removing_ useful features, instead of adding them. 15:44 And it has been getting worse ever since. 15:44 <@Winsalot> I use xubuntu and really love the interface. And I think xfce is regarded highly 15:44 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:44 As I said, gnome is only there to be the login manager. 15:45 I use lightdm for that. 15:45 Or slim 15:45 sawfish for the window manager. 15:45 Which I don't really use anyway because this isn't a shared laptop. 15:45 The closest I get to Gnome these days is, depending how you measure, either Gimp or mate-panel. 15:46 Or sawfish. Sawfish _was_ the default wm in Gnome for a while, back when Gnome was good. 15:46 <@Winsalot> Sounds complicated. You use arch by any chance? 15:46 No. 15:46 Devuan. 15:46 * aosdict uses arch but keeps it simple. gdm and i3 15:47 I've heard good things about Exegnu, but have only used it lightly, as a live system. 15:48 @Tone your reddit YAAP still says the video isn't uploaded yet. 15:48 Is that correct? 15:49 who on earth keeps upvoting the nhq #2376 15:50 there is literally nothing interesting about it 15:50 Winsalot: that filthy heretic doesn't like the beautiful quote :P 15:50 oh wait, forgot that I have to write @Winsalot 15:51 @Winsalot: do you like https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2376 ? 15:51 aosdict: play SLEX! *bundlebundlebundle* then you shall be enlightened and realize why slex-related quotes are fun! ♥ 15:54 K2 am I good to go now in xnh with aosdict's pushed patch? 15:56 should be 15:56 he was able to recreate it 15:56 i'll assume he tested it 15:56 ok, no worries I'll just hope it doesn't break again 15:57 -!- Tariru_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:57 while I was waiting I started a 3.6.1 wizard and I'm having a good run so far 15:58 may just take him to minetown first 15:58 :) 15:58 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 16:02 Tariru, I have a mission for you should you choose to accept 16:02 What would that be? 16:02 ascend all race/role combos in slex 16:02 :D 16:02 I wish I could live long enough 16:02 *giggle* 16:03 That's easily in the thousands, if not tens of thousands. 16:04 Tariru: now that you're playing 2.22, did you notice any difference compared to 2.17? 16:05 I've noticed a few of the new items already. 16:05 there probably isn't enough time in the universe before as a whole it asymptotically reaches absolute zero 16:05 Tariru: oh nice :) I unfortunately didn't encounter any of them in my 2.22 runs yet 16:06 Cloak of discount action, and the cloak of starvation are both new I think. 16:08 EPI: cloak of negative MC 16:08 the starvation one has been there for a while I think, but discount action is indeed new and reduces paralysis duration :) 16:08 Makes anything MC protects against, guaranteed to hit you. 16:09 jonadab: Didn't you just EPI this a few days ago? 16:10 aosdict: Not that I recall? 16:11 EPI: bag of keeping. Like a bag of holding, except sometimes it decides it wants to keep a particular item, and that item can then never be taken out. 16:25 <@Tone> jonadab I haven't uploaded the YouTube video yet, but the Twitch link should work 16:26 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: The dwarf zaps a wand of sleep! The sleep ray hits Amy!] 16:27 jonadab: are you ready for an 11 hour marathon? 16:27 aosdict: All at once? No. 16:28 IN small pieces over a few days or weeks? Maybe. 16:29 lol 16:29 @Tone you did have some very nice drops over the first few floors, from the bit I saw of it. 16:30 <@Tone> Magic lamp, boh, wand of digging all before soko 16:31 <@Tone> Wand if fire too I think? 16:53 -!- MisteryMyra has joined #hardfought 16:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:62910 16:56 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:57 K2: fixed hurtling over water not working 16:57 mmmk 16:58 xNetHack updated (us and eu) 16:58 thats a 361 issue, not xnethack correct? 16:58 no it was xnh 16:58 ahh 16:58 bad aosdict, bad! 16:59 * K2 grabs the spray bottle 16:59 a refactor to drown() I did that removed some checks 16:59 bouquet you may want to save your game and reload if you have any plans on jumping over water 17:00 K2: https://media.giphy.com/media/PPXL9Lq60vNcc/giphy.gif 17:00 lol 17:01 ok off to girl scout troop meeting 17:02 K2: tell them to HURRY. UP. 17:03 aosdict, thanks! 17:03 I'm back in xnh now 17:05 -!- MisteryMyra is now known as MiseryMyra 17:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:63836 17:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:79288 17:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:64252 17:43 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:50 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:09 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 18:13 -!- Pavel has joined #hardfought 18:14 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28 [hdf-us] [nh361] knavery (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1231 points, T:3754, killed by a hill orc 18:29 Not that anyone cares, but do any of you guys remember the conversation we had earlier today about spinach and cauliflower? 18:29 I just figured out why Cauliflower is "Colorful Cabbage" in Russian 18:30 In Russian, the word for "color" and "flower" is the same thing 18:30 So it means "Flowery Cabbage" 18:30 Which makes more sense. 18:30 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 18:36 !who 18:36 Pavel: [hdf-us] DrakeMarshall [dnh] 18:36 Pavel: [hdf-eu] Tariru [slex] 18:37 !whereis Tariru 18:37 Pavel: [hdf-us] Tariru is not currently playing on this server. 18:37 Pavel: [hdf-eu] Tariru [slex]: (Pal Nag Fem Law) T:15950 The Gnomish Mines level: 13 18:47 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 18:47 -!- stenno is now known as Guest428 18:51 -!- Guest428 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:52 -!- Menche_ is now known as Menche 18:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:65216 18:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:65237 18:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:65239 18:57 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:65471 19:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:65828 19:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:65829 19:09 -!- tungtn_ has joined #hardfought 19:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:66245 19:16 -!- tungtn has quit [*.net *.split] 19:20 -!- Tariru has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28 congrats on your spork ascension, K2! 19:40 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 19:46 K2: I have some news regarding the spork missing stairs bug, but I won't get into it now because have to go to work, but I have managed to improve things quite a lot. 19:47 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:48 -!- stenno is now known as Guest47878 19:52 -!- Guest47878 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:05 <[Demo]> ZAPM has abortion so therefore its a good game 20:27 If it says "What class of monsters do you wish to genocide?" then it's definitely blessed, right? 20:27 Since it's asking about a class? 20:28 yes 20:28 Hmm 20:28 type @ to genocide the Wizard of Yendor 20:28 (do not do this) 20:28 I know what happens :) 20:28 I read id'd it at dlvl 6 20:29 Maybe I could genocide some class that's common for my quest? I've never gotten that far though. 20:29 geno L 20:29 or h if you aren't a dwarf 20:30 I am a dwarf 20:30 I guess I'll do L 20:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Inc Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:10963 20:38 Tangles that's great news! thanks! woooooo 20:38 and thanks! it was time to give sporkhack a bit more love ;) 20:39 -!- Pavel has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 20:42 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) became The Lady's Envoy of Balance, on T:22239 20:48 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:48 -!- stenno is now known as Guest24040 20:53 -!- Guest24040 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:59 -!- tacco| has quit [] 21:04 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:23571 21:06 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 21:06 tfw smoky potion is booze, and you get the gnome king's wine cellar. \o/ 21:07 nice 21:08 er... spoke too soon. it *looked* like the GKWC... 21:09 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:11 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:24209 21:12 it's potentially slightly abuse-able that on the catacombs mine's end, you can figure out whether you got luckstone or flint by looking for the Beholder announcement 21:13 K2 could disable the livelog for that if he wanted to, but nobody seems to care, really. 21:14 I mean, of all 'exploits' from beholder it's pretty tame 21:14 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 21:15 plus you'd have to be in this irc channel 21:15 tbh I think it's kinda nice, since I've had the levelporters punt me up 8-9 levels :/ 21:15 Ideally we'd have something that tells everyone else *except* you when you got it 21:15 but that's not feasible 21:16 give beholder admin, if your handle here matches in game name, it boots you right before announcing 21:16 hahah 21:16 of course if you're booted, you know you got it... 21:16 :) :) 21:16 solution: make Beholder randomly boot people 21:17 ok so 21:17 this cannot go wrong 21:17 i don't think it's really a big issue, i just think it's an interesting thing 21:17 we had discussed it around this time last year 21:17 i think the outcome was 'shrug' 21:18 but if it ever becomes a thing, its easy enough to suppress, either by recompiling the game to not include that message, or just have beholder omit that one livelog event 21:19 My answer to this is, do as Fourk does: livelog reaching the bottom of the Mines, rather than picking up a luckstone. 21:19 or ruthlessly shame anyone who abuses it. Shame!! 21:20 jonadab: that's a good one 21:21 YANI: make livelog events for mundane things, like 'K2 found a knife in a solders barracks' 21:21 YASI* 21:21 or 'aosdict has become hungry' 21:22 * aosdict is pretty Satiated right now IRL 21:22 heh 21:22 ok brb 21:22 it would be cool if the livelogs were arbitrarily scriptable 21:32 rikersan: why does the dnethack wiki page list a moon phase as "eclipse"? 21:33 well, dnethack items 21:33 (for moon axe) 21:45 aosdict: I'm not actually sure 21:45 I haven't source dived into that 21:45 I've always assumed it was 1. chris doing something cool 21:45 2. chris being bad at typing 21:45 neither is really new 21:45 I've always wondered but never found time 21:46 it replaces new moon, which the only feasible eclipse for is a solar one... 21:49 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 21:49 -!- stenno is now known as Guest62039 21:53 -!- Guest62039 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:56 ok so I have two main issues with splicehack's commit style 21:56 the first is that all the messages are one-line deals that don't usually describe well what is going on, such as "Added some more monsters". 21:57 the second is that I can't be sure that a commit only contains the code the message says it contains 21:58 I've found unmentioned stuff in commits several times 22:01 and just now, new code added to a merge commit so in order to go look at it I have to sift through a ton of code I already looked at 22:02 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:03 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 22:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 22:14 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 32062 points, T:1136, killed by a gnome lord 22:17 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 7264 points, T:215, killed by a fox 22:21 K2: There's at least one variant that livelogs every time a user saves or resumes. 22:21 It gets _really_ spammy if you have a channel bot announcing it. 22:21 I don't remember which variant it is. 22:21 which one? 22:21 ah 22:24 oh god there are 67 splicehack commits left to go 22:24 EPI: On the last day of June only, livelog every single action the player takes. 22:24 It's evil because it drives everyone off of IRC?? 22:24 -? 22:26 Heh. Maybe. 22:26 Or gets the bot k-lined for excessive flooding. 22:27 Especially if somebody starts running a few bots. 22:27 Beholder feature idea: !rescind command that rescinds your last !tell 22:27 Or a copy/paste script. 22:27 or !untell 22:27 aosdict: And an !ask command for asking a user a question, which they can answer with !tell ? 22:29 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:30 "What do you want to drink from? [joy or ?*]" 22:30 Better be booze then 22:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:79676 22:40 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 22:41 aosdict: Saw the post about the commits. I'll be the first to admit that they're not good. 22:41 I'm trying to improve going forward. 22:42 I still have a long way to go - you committed a LOT in April :) 22:42 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 22:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 22:43 I'm up to 4074 words already, what am I doing 22:44 I'm preparing myself mentally lol 22:44 I question what was going through my head with some of the changes (especially the really early ones) 22:44 if you want to see bad commits, look at most of the commits I did with grunthack 22:44 took me a long while to figure out the right way to do them 22:45 K2: I question how you managed to write code for grunthack given that you say you can't read :) 22:45 magic 22:45 plus i roll a natural 20 every single time 22:46 AntiGulp: A lot of the criticisms I have so far amount mainly to me not thinking a thing (usually a monster) is really necessary, but that's OK since this is intended to be a kitchen sink variant 22:47 K2: can you add slashem to hdf? Europe is kinda unplayably far away 22:47 the main tone of my writing is considering stuff for xnethack, which is not a kitchen sink variant 22:47 aosdict... did you just insult AntiGulp? lol wtf 22:48 I am not trying to insult anyone 22:48 what did I say that came across that way? 22:48 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the ghost of K, the former Sightseer, on T:1796 22:48 I'm not offended? 22:48 calling his variant a 'kitchen sink' variant, whatever that means 22:49 Oh I called it that myself first! 22:49 K2: that is a term one uses to describe nethack variants 22:49 or maybe i am not reading that correctly 22:49 really 22:49 never ever heard that before 22:49 dnethack. slash'em. splicehack, now. 22:49 slex in *particular*. 22:49 I wouldn't call slashem a kitchen sink variant 22:49 Elronnd which version of slashem? 22:49 nor dnethack, really. Haven't heard of splicehack 22:50 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:50 When I started I threw everything in semi-randomly (hence "kitchen sink"). Now I usually think about what I'm adding. 22:50 K2: "standard" (crash-override had it, and now esm does) is 0.0.7, 0.0.7-SLethe, and 0.0.8 22:50 -!- stenno is now known as Guest91287 22:50 but you could probably get away with just 0.0.7-SLethe and 0.0.8 22:50 K2: it derives from "includes everything but the kitchen sink" (and then some wisecracker always points out that we already have those, ha ha). 22:50 i see 22:51 Elronnd what are the differences between versions? 22:51 some people consider nethack in general to be the kitchen-sink of roguelikes. 22:52 0.0.8 changelog: http://www.slashem.org/devel.html. SLethe: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Lethe_patch and https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/SLethe 22:53 AntiGulp: I'm definitely seeing some of that change now. 22:53 Using mextra for amalgamations was a good move. 22:53 AntiGulp: what's your variant? 22:54 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 22:54 Elronnd: Splicehack 22:54 -!- Guest91287 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:55 link? 22:55 https://github.com/NullCGT/SpliceHack 22:55 The changelog has a complete list of everything 22:56 I really need to notate the monsters and items at some point though. 22:56 I've tried to make a variant twice now 22:56 first time I had *all* the ideas and no idea how to implement them 22:57 second time, I had no idea what I want to add 22:57 did... did you not write down the ideas anywhere 22:57 also aren't you a slex dev 22:57 technically 22:58 but whenever I've made changes, amy's gotten mad because it desyncs with her copy of the source and she doesn't know how git works 22:58 of course. 22:59 maybe I'll fix windowprocs because currently both tty graphics and curses graphics kinda suck 23:05 wait, do you use use SCM in slex? 23:06 git or anything 23:06 yeah 23:06 https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended 23:07 ah I misunderstood 23:08 AntiGulp: bwahaha the self-deprecation bogusmons 23:10 aosdict: lol once I thought those I had to add them 23:12 * aosdict steals 747b2a5 23:12 wait holy cow I actually called them self-deprecation in the code 23:12 I can't believe this 23:13 pff, "Dat Boi" as a bogusmon 23:13 "Dat Boi hits!" 23:14 I feel like I must have made the bogusmon changes when I was really tired lol 23:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:80103 23:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:80103 23:15 I'm gonna need to diff these later and add them to xnh because how can I not. 23:16 Excellent 23:17 I think part of the logic behind that (other than just goofing around) was that I was thinking about the permanent hallucination roleplay option, which I implemented later. 23:17 Actually a lot of these post-date permahallu. 23:18 Oops, my bad. Probably still that then. 23:27 [hdf-us] [slex] Elronnd (Wiz Rod Fem Neu), 11257 points, T:2869, quit 23:28 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:32 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "the blessed greased fixed eye of the aethioPICA", on T:32250 23:36 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dRaGoN sCaLe MaIl", on T:32372 23:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof magic harp", on T:80267 23:40 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:32664 23:40 [hdf-us] [nh361] hypnotist (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32666 23:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:67818 23:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:67819 23:51 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:51 -!- stenno is now known as Guest20542 23:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:68084 23:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:80311 23:56 -!- Guest20542 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:80343 23:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:68169 23:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:80346 23:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:80371 23:59 go Grasshopper go! 23:59 oh and bouquet also 23:59 you're both on the planes