00:00 from what i've read in your post its more conservative than your variant 00:00 AntiGulp: I've been reading through your commits (the actual code) and writing up what I think of them, mainly as I would consider it in xnethack. 00:00 s/in/for/ 00:02 The commits are much more of a mess than I would like. I figured out a lot using grep and experimenting, so there's some pretty gross code sitting around in there. 00:02 Yeah, we all started like that I think. 00:04 Oh, I think I have a bug for you: sacrificing while wielding nothing should cause a segfault. (I have not built the game yet but where I spotted this, it's still in the final code.) 00:04 Not in all cases, only in the ones where it checks for bone knife. 00:06 Ooh definitely, I forgot a check for uwep 00:08 Possibly the best bug I found was when I mixed up some string formatting. "Your silver saber called Grayswandir notices the Asmodeus in your possession..." 00:08 haha 00:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Ran Elf Fem Cha) averted death, on T:13809 00:20 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *poof*] 00:21 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 00:40 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:47 !tell AntiGulp Similar segfault possible when confused cloning. 00:47 Will do, aosdict! 01:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:52 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 02:18 huh, I picked up a scroll labeled READ ME and got a surprise 02:19 (in xnethack) 02:35 You hear an animal carcass being offered in sacrifice. It hits! 03:11 -!- emberquill has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:13 -!- emberquill has joined #hardfought 03:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:50 mornin' 04:53 aosdict: easy way to have open source but prevernt source surfing 04:53 Write as obfuscated code as you can! 04:53 * mcw excels 04:53 nethack 3.6.1 got released tonight 04:54 .2? 04:54 Yeah I seent 04:54 .1 :) 04:59 hi 04:59 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 04:59 so 3.6.1 is out huh 04:59 nice 05:00 hey 05:00 Hello stenno, Welcome to #hardfought 05:01 hey beholder 05:01 :-( 05:01 lol 05:02 I am a massive retard, I accidentally compiled gdb without python :-\ 05:07 ANSIfying 05:08 this is the bet change 05:08 FIQ: yes 05:08 FIQ: don't get too excited 05:08 best 05:08 FIQ: your heart can't take it 05:08 mcw: heh 05:24 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 05:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 05:26 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 05:41 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 05:41 ah AntiGulp was here 05:41 but is not here anymore 05:46 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 05:46 FIQ: do you reckon 64GB of RAM is enough for a 12core/24thread machine? 05:46 Just for compilation 05:47 what do you want to compile 05:47 tubhack, etc 05:47 I do a bunch of other stuff 05:47 chromium, firefox 05:47 gdb,gcc,llvm,clang 05:47 -!- MysteryMyra has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:47 last time i needed those kind of resources i was processing openstreetmap data 05:48 (but there i actually needed it, all streets and routes in europe, still took a few hours) 05:48 It's only 400 quid for a server 05:48 mcw: That sounds really overkill, I don't know if you need that much 05:48 So it's overkill but building a smaller server doesn't cost any less really. 05:49 refurbed sandy bridge blades are well cheap 05:49 but you will have energy costs too then 05:51 It's like 500W max 05:51 And I won't be running it full tilt all the time 05:51 I just want a proper linux box somewhere I can ssh into and do heavy lifting 05:51 And 400 quid is basically an impulse buy 05:52 (he says) 05:52 even if its just 200W on average its still a lot 05:52 but you have to know it i guess 05:52 idk what your financial standings are 05:52 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:52 if you just wanna do some compiling stuff i agree with FIQ in thats overkill 05:53 I love overkill! 05:53 Problem is get a decent compilation machine for sub-400? 05:53 hmm 05:53 'decent' 05:53 I think my otyp_offset is doing things in the wrong order 05:53 i assume the most import thing about compilation is RAM 05:53 ram and cores 05:54 need to try to figure out something 05:54 stenno: 64GB is ~2.6GB/thread 05:54 Or 5.2GB/core 05:55 my laptop only has 6 gb ram in total.. 05:55 and thats more than enough for any desktop stuff 05:55 This machine will be hidden in a cupboard, no desktop stuff 05:56 right 05:56 Main thing is I am tempted to swap my desktop for an imac, but that will mean I need something with some horses in it elsewhere, locally. 05:56 ooh I see the problem 05:56 but that also means that this will be idle most of the time? 05:56 stenno: yeah, so power is less of an issue. 05:57 otyp_offset isn't accounting for otyp changes retroactively as part of the if chain 05:58 there, this should work better 05:58 but I need to figure out a better way to do this so I don't need to hurt my head each time 05:58 mcw: this is the kind of fun problem that arises when trying to maintain save compat despite new objects :P 06:00 Head hurting good! 06:00 FIQ: answer to save compat: never release new versions! 06:00 TDTTOE 06:00 ha 06:02 Why on earth would gdb not be configured to build with python by default? 06:07 there 06:07 here 06:07 now NCommander's save loads with the new magic chest change 06:08 yay 06:08 the ancient save that is 06:08 How come magic chests are not items? >_> 06:08 they are 06:08 Oh, I thought you'd done them as dungeon features? 06:08 which is what caused the problem 06:08 they pretend to be dungeon features 06:08 but they are items 06:08 this is a dubious implementation 06:08 anyway 06:08 Ah, why not just let them be items? 06:08 the problem was 06:08 otyp_offset in o_init.c 06:08 pretending to be items 06:09 for example 06:09 let's say we have an object with otyp 194 06:09 now, ring of carrying is added 06:09 so we need to offset the otyp by 1 06:09 so far so good 06:09 (ring of carrying is 157) 06:09 Is this not in nh4? 06:09 now magic chests are added 06:09 they have otyp 195 06:10 so we need to offset again 06:10 +2 06:10 however, since I didn't account for the previous change in my if checks 06:10 FIQ: this is why I'm doing everything by name, not index. 06:10 it would overlook this change 06:10 Definitely wasteful but eh 06:10 so in the end, the otyp would become 195 06:10 rather than 196 as it should have 06:11 now I fixed this, the ifs instead looks like this: 46 if ((otyp + ret) >= 195 /* MAGIC_CHEST */ && flags.save_revision < 19) 06:11 well the index should be a constant too? 06:11 stenno: no, constants can change 06:11 which is bad here 06:11 it needs to know what the constant was 06:11 in old saves 06:11 hence why it polls by number 06:12 for instance, take potions of wonder 06:12 when I added them 06:12 they were otyp 270 06:12 but now they're otyp 272 06:12 due to rings of carrying and magic chests 06:12 but it still needs to go by the old 270 number 06:12 uh ok 06:13 Ahhh 06:13 FIQ: use strings! :D 06:13 what would solve this problem 06:13 is to also store a list of objects by string 06:14 but the code creating the logic in first place would be even more complex 06:14 allbeit future-proof once it's in 06:14 FIQ: solution: rewrite from scratch! \o/ 06:15 basically 06:16 something like "return new_string2otyp(old_otyp2string(otyp)) - otyp" 06:17 but meh 06:17 this works OK 06:17 as-is 06:18 that shit sounds like a pita 06:19 Why is creating dungeon features so difficult? 06:19 stenno: It's simple to add new objects, just that the code I Had atm was broken 06:19 I thought floors were technically a container 06:19 ah ok 06:19 I don't need to think about how it works as long as it works 06:19 fair enough 06:19 I just need to "do it" 06:19 NCommander: Adding dungeon features is easy 06:20 I'm not sure why I thought adding magic chests as objects was the way to go 06:20 But meh 06:20 Well, it's an old saying of mine 06:20 "How do you have an adventure?" 06:20 "Take a bad idea and follow through" 06:20 haha 06:20 For instance: "ssh nethack@hardfought.org" 06:21 Well this way I was made aware of a bug in my otyp_offset thing 06:21 *several days later* 06:21 So I guess something good came out of it 06:21 NCommander: haha 06:21 !who 06:21 FIQ: [hdf-us] No current players 06:21 FIQ: [hdf-eu] Tariru [slex] elenmirie [xnh] 06:21 !asc Tariru 06:21 FIQ: [hdf-us] Tariru has ascended 1 times in 1 games (100.00%): slex:1 (100.00%) 06:22 so Tariru intends to have a 100% on both servers huh 06:22 strange 06:22 He's in vlad... 06:22 maybe he played on US on accident 06:22 Seriously 06:23 Nah he had the eu game already started when he started the us game. 06:23 The fact that has managed it on his first try 06:24 I mean damn O_o; 06:24 NCommander: But he is in vlad 06:24 On his 2nd slex game 06:24 Seems like he intends to streak 06:24 ... 06:24 Streaking SLEX 06:24 THis feels wrong ... 06:24 [hdf-us] [un] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2563 points, T:2504, killed by a gray unicorn 06:24 who does that 06:24 Tariru the machine 06:24 That's who 06:25 Well vlad is actually annoying in SLEX cause he can control levelport and *poof* 06:29 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:34 [hdf-us] [un] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1575 points, T:1402, killed by a rothe, while fainted from lack of food 06:38 FIQ: you'd be very proud ofme 06:38 I did not have a single drink the whole of yesterday! 06:38 congrats! 06:38 Thanks! 06:38 I am celebrating now obviously. 06:39 i have slept like 6 hours total in the last 2 nights 06:39 I went to bed at 9pm yeterday and got up at 9am today, first three days of work I've done in 12months and I was broken. 06:40 :-( 06:40 I fail 06:40 huh what do you mean? 06:40 fail how 06:40 At not drinking! 06:40 ah gotcha 06:40 I had bought a bottle of ol' jimmy beams delicous bourbon 06:41 ah the jimmy beams kind of drinking and not the beer kind of drinking 06:41 Way too early for beer 06:41 Drink a beer at 11am and you get judged 06:42 Drink a whiskey and you get support! 06:42 :| 06:43 I'm certainly not above milking my sister/B-I-L for free lunch!!! 07:01 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 07:01 Beholder: any new bugs? 07:01 !ping 07:01 LarienTelrunya: Pong! 07:02 LarienTelrunya: 3.6.1 got released :o 07:02 huh? but we already had 3.6.1 on hdf for ages! 07:02 well it got officially released tonight 07:02 ah 07:02 before that it was only a 'development snapshot' 07:02 congratulations I guess :D 07:05 stenno: wtf why am I supposed to be some ominous "Paul Winner"?! 07:06 was just a joke :P 07:06 it was the name of the person who did the reddit post and i never heard the name before 07:06 ah, I see 07:07 just fooling aroudn a bit, no harm meant 07:07 and apparently the Splicehack dev was here? too bad he left already 07:07 yeah 07:07 maybe he comes back 07:08 let's hope so! because then I can swarming swing bundle him ♥ 07:08 ^_^ 07:20 <@Winsalot> Hi 07:20 Hello @Winsalot, Welcome to #hardfought 07:20 <@Winsalot> Did anyone actually play slicehack? 07:21 it's not on hdf 07:21 so no 07:26 alright, I guess I'll finish my slex 2.1.7 game on hdf now (by DYWYPI/YASD, obviously), and then I no longer have ongoing games in the old version, not counting my local ones :) 07:26 !who 07:26 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] No current players 07:26 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [slex] Tariru [slex] elenmirie [xnh] 07:37 <@Winsalot> So hdf slex will be updated when Tariru dies/ascends? 07:37 What's Tariru playing at the moment (role?) 07:37 mcw: fencer, which has superb dual-wielding with swords 07:37 ah cool 07:37 inc is incantifier? 07:37 yes 07:37 Winsalot: it's probably independent of ongoing games thanks to multiversioning :) 07:38 headline feature(s) of 2.2? 07:38 changelog: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/master/history2.txt 07:38 brb 07:41 <@Winsalot> LarienTelrunya: maybe I already asked this, but is there an option to color items in inventory according to BUC status? 07:42 Wins yes 07:42 Wins look at LarienTelrunya's slashemrc on hdf 07:44 Winsalot: of course it is! 07:44 here's my config file: https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AmyBSOD/slex/AmyBSOD.slexrc 07:44 the menucolor part is what will color the items 07:45 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:47 <@Winsalot> do same options work on curses as well? 07:47 they should 07:48 on windows it would look like this: https://abload.de/img/20019peunh.png 07:57 Ouch! The knob is red-hot! Fortunately, your gloves protect your hand. 07:58 should be "your glove protects your hand" or "your gloves protect your hands" I think... 07:59 usually I open doors with one hand 07:59 so the former 08:02 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 08:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hothraxxa] by ChanServ 08:03 mcw: [backscroll] if you make tubhack require a hefty gaming computer to run, lots of nethack players won't be able to play it. 08:04 elenmirie: thanks for giving me a softball 1-character fix to start the day :) 08:04 hehe 08:05 aosdict: I didn't say that! :p 08:05 aosdict: I said I want a hefty server machine in my flat 08:05 fixed but I don't see a particular reason to push it, it's cosmetic 08:05 aosdict: so I can swap out my desktop for an imac 08:11 Wait 08:11 You are buying a server because you are considering buying an iMac and it wouldn't suffice? 08:12 Do you not see the obvious fault in this? 08:12 server-grade imacs are expensive as fuck 08:13 like not even funny anymore expensive 08:13 stenno: that wasn't my point 08:13 he is buying a desktop imac 08:13 and a server 08:13 because he will not be able to compile properly on the imac 08:13 conclusion: the imac is utter shit 08:13 i think the imacs also only come with like 8 gb ram 08:14 Why would I ever want to spend money on a desktop that can't compile stuff because it's too shitty? 08:15 i am sure it can compile stuff, just not fast enough 08:15 He has 32GB RAM on his current desktop 08:15 FIQ: imac is 27% off 08:15 Why would he swap it with an inferior machine? 08:15 oh wow 08:15 Makes no sense 08:15 lol 08:15 + an extra 500 pounds 08:15 Because Apple give me a big discount :p 08:15 yeah it doesn't :v 08:15 And the monitor is worth 1000 on its own 08:15 mcw: Or you could just, you know 08:15 Keep what you have 08:15 for no cost! 08:15 FIQ: that discount isn't spending itself :p 08:16 I only get one per year! 08:16 On macs, one for phones, one for ipad, etc. 08:16 but wasn't the idea also seperating the desktop stuff from the compiler/server stuff? 08:16 how do you get that? 08:16 mcw: So you want to spend money 08:16 and not little money either 08:16 To buy an inferior machine? 08:17 I don't understand 08:17 -!- nooodle has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:17 i cracked the display of my march 2017 mbp. and now i can either consider paying 500 euro for reparating, or just buy a new laptop :| 08:17 stenno: He could just buy the server and skip on the iMac alltogether if that was the problem 08:17 ACTUALLY i admit am considering switch to win 10 08:18 I have not heard many good things about win10 08:18 with wsl 08:18 aosdict: WSL 08:18 Otherwise, yeah, haven't heard anything good about it 08:18 FIQ: but then why not just native linux 08:18 gaming 08:18 And why would I use WSL when I can use linux proper 08:18 Yeah 08:19 @ aosdict 08:19 if you want to play games, win10 + WSL 08:19 Otherwise yeah just run Linux 08:19 I can play games on linux too 08:19 i want to game 08:19 If you want to play windows-only-games, win10 + WSL * 08:19 Wine 08:19 wine can't do everything 08:19 VM 08:19 and its slower 08:20 Windows + remote linux does everything I need 08:20 its not like i am power-developing on my laptop 08:20 But switching to imac + remote linux would be the same It hink 08:20 But with a way better screen 08:20 FIQ: the main thing is the 27" imac screen is worth the price (I would pay) for an imac. 08:20 mcw: If you only care about the screen, why not just buy the screen? 08:20 i am mainly using it for web surfing and irc 08:20 Can't buy it on its own 08:21 but the games: hearthstone, nethack, minecraft 08:21 stenno: Oh, you play minecraft 08:21 two of them are platform independent but minecraft does some strange shit on linux 08:21 Yeah, you need a monster computer 08:21 i am currently allocating 4gb ram and its enough 08:22 I've considered trying out minecraft again once 1.13 rolls around, with quark 08:22 FIQ: I don't think the imac is particularly pricey 08:22 Again, for me. * 08:22 it has some cool stuff while maintaining mostly vanilla feeling 08:22 mcw: do you make like $100k/mo or something 08:22 FIQ: no, but I get a 27% + 500 (pretax) GBP discount. 08:22 So it'd be like 850GBP 08:22 hmm 08:22 pricey 08:22 For the 27" with a radeon 575 08:22 meh 08:22 it's your money 08:23 I wouldn't buy it myself though 08:23 FIQ: not for the spec I don't think 08:23 Pricing up your own machine these days is expensive :-( 08:23 you said the specs were inferior to your current desktop 08:23 your current has 32GB 08:23 imac has 8 08:23 Configurable! 08:23 Also replaceable 08:23 Better CPU, better HDD, better screen, better GPU, etc. 08:24 Main problem is getting the screen. 08:25 FIQ: just feels wasteful to not use the discount :( 08:26 mcw: btw, I have yet to track down the reason for the fiqhack bug that hit puck and krm :( 08:26 i am currently waiting for the dw20 1.12 modpack to include enderio again 08:26 mcw: do you buy everything on steam sales too 08:26 because you have to 08:26 FIQ: nah 08:26 (enderio was released for 1.12 a week ago or so) 08:26 or you'll lose the discount! 08:26 <[Demo]> when's the games on sales 08:26 FIQ: this is like 800 GBP worth of discount 08:26 <[Demo]> lmao 08:26 mcw: GBP850 is still a ridiculous sum to spend on a computer when you already have a decent one 08:26 plus... the imac is pretty :( 08:27 FIQ: your logic makes sense. 08:27 I spent something around that for my own desktop 5 years ago or so 08:27 Because my laptop was *broken* 08:27 This PC is 7 or 8 years old. 08:27 and what do you do on your desktop 08:27 <[Demo]> Oh great British pounds, not good boy points 08:27 And I kinda wanted to have a computer 08:27 and how much ram does it have 08:27 [Demo]: good boy points are only for you. 08:27 stenno: 32gb 08:27 The only video games I really play are nethack, minecraft and recently terraria, all of which run on linux without wine 08:27 i mean FIQ 08:27 stenno: @ me? 08:27 16 08:27 yeah 08:27 thats solid, i have to admit 08:28 mind you I bought it 5 years ago 08:28 its what i would get if i would buy new hardware now 08:28 cpu is Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz 08:28 iirc mcw had the same one? 08:28 but clocked differently 08:28 [522][fiq@fiq-desktop ~/NetHack]$ lspci | grep VGA 08:28 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK104 [GeForce GTX 770] (rev a1) 08:29 512GB hdd, 128GB ssd 08:29