00:16 dell00, have you played xnh before? 00:23 Grasshopper: nope. 00:33 damn it 00:33 I made it all the way to minetown to do the protection racket 00:33 Get orc town 00:33 Grasshopper: fire does burn away webs in xnh 00:34 K2: \o/ 00:35 dell00, then give xnh a go. Even if you play vanilla after that, you'll have a greater appreciation 00:35 xNetHack updated (us and eu) 00:39 as a neutral gnome healer I can wield grayswandir, right? I can only get basic, but that's better than my alternatives I think. 00:40 it's not intelligent so it won't evade my grasp, right? 00:40 Basic Grayswandir is extremely strong. 00:40 I'll probably get blasted, but I need a better weapon. 00:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +2 grayswandir", on T:46395 00:41 yup, i can wield it. 00:41 I think I would have checked before wishing (maybe you did) 00:42 I did, but I don't trust my reading comprehension skills. 00:42 plus I'm very tired and I YASD a lot when I'm tired. 00:43 I seem to have used the Staff of A, with Frosty and Mojo for the drain-resistant 00:45 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:46 Grasshopper: re burning webs with fire: planned but not got around to it 00:47 MysteryMyra: ah too late, I already made it Dex :P 00:47 It's okay 00:48 K2: What I want is to make it burn adjacent webs though, recursively. 00:50 should I phrase my wish "blessed the orb of might" or "the blessed orb of might"? Not sure how the interpreter works. 00:51 %s/might/fate 00:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed the orb of fate", on T:46659 00:51 The blessed orb of fate 00:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:46663 00:53 well I did it backwards and it slipped through my hands. I've got grayswandir, vorpal, and staff of A already so it was a longshot 00:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "the blessed orb of fate", on T:46664 00:54 aosdict, if you allow cutting through webs with blades I suggest there is a chance (based on strength?) that the blade gets stuck in the web (ie unwielded and moved out of inventory into the web) 00:54 ooh, got it that time! 00:55 ofc, Sting is exempt 00:56 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 01:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:46855 01:24 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 01:59 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 01:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 02:14 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:24 sting is exempt? 02:24 what, tolkien lore reasons? 02:32 ProzacElf: doesn't sting cut through webs already on vanilla? 02:32 (for lore reasons 02:32 Also morning chappies 02:33 i dunno, i haven't played vanilla in forever 02:33 i might well 02:33 *it 02:35 * mcw tests 02:35 can you wish for a web? 02:36 poly ti giant spider 02:41 ProzacElf: https://i.imgur.com/JRxhonC.png 02:41 \o/ 02:41 TDTTOE 02:49 hah 02:49 good to know 03:35 -!- MysteryMyra has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:39 -!- deadnoob has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:40 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 04:00 <@Winsalot> ok, I'm stuck in rogue's quest 04:01 <@Winsalot> Cursed potion of booze didn't work as source of confusion as I fainted 04:01 <@Winsalot> gg 04:25 :( 04:29 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:6341 04:30 [hdf-us] [nd] max383 (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 494 points, T:825, killed by a gnome 04:48 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 05:03 jonadab: FIQ (maybe aosdict can't remember) I C-ified the parser/help display https://gist.github.com/tubs/dfaa6e7d841c9d0b3b66f0d282688023 05:03 Any comments welcome 05:03 I plan to make the rendering pluggable, but not for this second 05:04 Not sure you want to hear this but if you don't do that now it will be a royal pain to do it later 05:05 Pinkbeast: it only uses about 4 functions from uncursed 05:05 basically just clear,refresh,mvaddwstr,mvchgat 05:05 Plus a little pain is always fun *wink wink* 05:06 Ironically the C interface is actually much prettier than the C++ one :) 05:06 I dunno that we got much right in _Montresor_ (like, for example, actually sitting down and getting it to do more than movement and LOS) but modularising the input and output from day one was one thing 05:06 Pinkbeast: this is just a help viewer, not the game! 05:06 FINE 05:06 I will do it now 05:07 curse you and your logic and your making sense 05:07 Eh, you do you, I would spare you making mistakes I made 20 years ago but my dad would tell me the same thing 05:07 ... and sometimes it is better to bash something out quickly 05:26 [hdf-us] [nh] max383 (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 6606 points, T:1891, killed by a water demon 05:47 being grownup and sensible is a curse 05:47 Not one I suffer from! 05:48 Well Pinkbeast I hope you're happy 05:48 I done made it pluggable 05:48 mcw: I hope it makes you happy at some point in the future 05:49 Pinkbeast: https://gist.github.com/tubs/dfaa6e7d841c9d0b3b66f0d282688023 :) 05:49 I'm happy now because it was the right thing to do (TM) 05:50 So stylistically and feature-wise, does that look like something that could be used in another variant (one that was written off the nh/4 C codebase)? 06:11 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 06:13 Tawiwu 06:13 bonjourno! 06:26 seems reasonable. I would use that for the pager 06:27 there would probably be some bikeshedding about what kind of markup to use :-] 06:28 but does using libuncursed play well with the tty port? or would that need to be ported to libuncursed first? 06:31 bhaak: the rendering is pluggable 06:31 so you provide a td_renderer 06:32 No dependency on uncursed, though I wrote an uncursed implementation of td_renderer. 06:32 But that is not defined unless you '-DTD_UNCURSED' when you include the header. 06:34 bhaak: if there was a way to make it more tty friendly I can do that 06:34 (he says) 06:35 I would rather have the tty port ported to libuncursed/ncurses :-) 06:35 :) 07:09 bhaak: it is all worth it! https://www.tubhack.com/ttyrecs/help_item.ttyrec.html 07:09 * mcw is happy 07:10 do you have a complete working example for that demo code? 07:10 with libuncursed and compilable with a C compiler? 07:10 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 07:10 I once tried to use libuncursed standalone but I didn't manage to get it working 07:13 Yes bhaak, give me 3mins and I'll whack it on the old github 07:13 note: the actual implementation is C++, but should link into your C app fine 07:13 Also note: if you are using libuncursed, you're already polluted. :) 07:17 Grasshopper: That is realistic, but I think it would be annoying and serve no good gameplay purpose (ie don't cut through webs if there's anything dangerous around) 07:25 bhaak: https://github.com/tubs/tubdown 07:26 bhaak: some stuff is a bit iffy at the moment (it will silenty load files that don't exist, but doesn't display anything) 07:26 bhaak: I also need to add some "overlays", so I can get the nice floating item info stuff down the right hand side 07:30 bhaak: oh, also, scrolling is not implemented 07:30 But all on list. 07:33 https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/8dh7kx/leprechaun_killed_my_pet_dog/dxo1tjd/?st=jg9b1zld&sh=fc326695 heh @ last child 07:33 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 07:37 what the heck happened to reddit 07:39 aosdict: ? 07:39 Looks the same to me 07:40 new design 07:43 everything is in a pane that takes up about ~50% of my screen width, there's tons of wasted space on the sides. 07:43 I have to scroll much more to read comments. It's terrible. 07:43 They are phasing it in for new people 07:43 it is awful 07:43 I hate it so much 07:48 [hdf-us] [nh] max383 (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 14436 points, T:7270, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse 07:51 mcw: oh really, I haven't seen it 07:52 that said there is an option you can flip in your profile if you have an account to use the old non-trash profile design, mayhe it also affects the site in general 07:53 FIQ: I lost my account a year back and cba making a new one 07:53 No idea why it got locked, but the email I signed up with was from an old gmail when I was like 12 07:53 * mcw shrugs 07:53 Maybe pre-gmail... 07:57 mcw: thanks, got it 07:58 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:59 bhaak: ace, please lemme know if you have issues! 08:01 mcw: exiting is a problem :-) 08:02 also, selecting links with SPACE is surprising, I'd expected RETURN. also, crash if you press SPACE without pressing TAB first 08:03 bhaak: interesting re: space first, but that is handled by the demo code, not the library 08:03 bhaak: all the input handling is done by the demo actually, because people should choose their own input loop/method/etc. 08:04 You can press Esc/Q to exit I think 08:05 I will fix the demo though 08:07 mcw: how did you fix libuncursed compiling standalone 08:07 you don't have the kind of files I have in fiqhack 08:07 There is a tiny bit of mangling in the source, but I think I can fix it without that mangling 08:08 oh, Q. I tried q and it didn't work 08:14 I kept quaffing by accident when I spammed q :) 08:24 <@Winsalot> In FIQ hack, is there a way to stop eating the moment I get confused from food? 08:28 no but you can press any key to interrupt eating 08:28 <@Winsalot> need to be realy fast though 08:28 and you can also preselect how many turns you want to spend eating 08:28 1ea will eat a for 1 turn 08:29 <@Winsalot> That's just what I needed 08:29 <@Winsalot> thanks 08:29 <@Winsalot> might still get out of my quest 08:31 https://www.tubhack.com/ttyrecs/farlook.ttyrec.html woopdydoo 08:34 yeah, "press a key fast enough to interrupt" can never be a real answer in roguelikes 08:37 bhaak: I fixed that space thing, sorry 08:40 no, worry, as a proof of concept it works well enough. the bugs can be shaken out down the road 08:43 Scrolling needs to work, but that's relatively simple, I'll do it after luncheroo 08:45 -!- tacco| has quit [] 08:48 <@Winsalot> phew. It took killing peaceful unicorn, but I am out! 08:51 <@Winsalot> and Im already fainting from lack of food 09:00 -!- deadnoob has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 09:08 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 09:27 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:10 bhaak: https://www.tubhack.com/ttyrecs/scrolling.ttyrec.html 10:10 I pushed to github as well 10:10 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:13338 10:13 cool 10:15 [hdf-us] [nd] ORC (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1450 points, T:2923, quit 10:15 * mcw needs spells 10:16 Oh by the way how angry would a player be if I made '(' be an offhand, not a tool? 10:27 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Gol Ang Mal Law), 85043 points, T:6119, killed by a dark elven arrow 10:48 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 10:55 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:59 <@Winsalot> Personally I wouldn't like if weapons were dedicated main-hand or off-hand 11:00 <@Winsalot> What if I wanted to dual-wield shields? 11:00 Winsalot, weapons are both 11:00 but offhands aren't 11:00 It's more for stuff like fetishes, ritual daggers, prayer beads, etc. 11:00 dw shield is meh 11:00 <@Winsalot> You could just leave them as tools 11:00 <@Winsalot> Like unicorn horn 11:01 <@Winsalot> Or pickaxe 11:02 -!- mpt- has joined #hardfought 11:02 mcw: so I was fooling around with the equipment slot management in another roguelike 11:02 I found a way to create infinite face slots 11:02 the perks of having a dynamic amount of equipment slots :P 11:04 FIQ: Mine are static really, up to 4 11:04 What can you put on your face though? 11:04 -!- tacco| has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:05 nethack has that slot too 11:06 for towels/blindfolds 11:06 and lenses 11:06 in the roguelike I was fooling around with, it's used for night vision goggles, masks that give "AC" and some other stuff 11:07 lenses/towrels/blindfolds don't really give much stacking benefit! :p 11:07 masks would 11:09 dNetHack have masks too 11:09 not for AC 11:09 but for polymorph purposes 11:09 poly prot 11:09 brb though I need to get something from shop before close 11:09 And I'm soo close to having my first spell working 11:30 aosdict, fair enough, and it would be a bit difficult to code weapons getting stuck in webs 11:48 [hdf-us] [nd] ORC (Ran Orc Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 3 arrows on an altar, on T:3277 12:01 <@Winsalot> can I reduce god's anger by sacrificing gold in FIQhack? 12:02 <@kritixilithos> can god be bribed? 12:02 <@Winsalot> it's not time fo jokes. Im in Gehennom already. It's time to get serious. This might be ascension 12:04 <@kritixilithos> from the commit message, Sacrifice values: - Gold: Amount/4 12:04 <@kritixilithos> but i am not sure 12:04 <@kritixilithos> take a look here https://github.com/FredrIQ/fiqhack/commit/6d64257d316effad4f9bf8a983c04b6245235f61 12:14 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:19 [hdf-us] [nd] ORC (Ran Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3694 12:21 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:22 the answer to your question is yes 12:25 [hdf-us] [dyn] Fusoya (ttc1401) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1646 points, T:1575, killed by a gnome lord 12:38 [hdf-us] [dyn] Fusoya (ttc1401) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2151 points, T:1405, killed by an arrow 13:01 muahahahahaha! i've left aosdict (my pet black dragon) in the closet at the top of the ladder on vlad's level. i'd love to see the look on his face when he tries to teleport there 13:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Arc Gno Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:54494 13:02 <@kritixilithos> on 3.6.1, isn't vlad in a level too high for any dragon? 13:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Arc Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:54496 13:03 the point is in 3.6.1, vlad teleports to the ladder and often flees down 13:03 did aosdict come out of the closet, yet? 13:03 <@kritixilithos> my dragon(s) never bothered with vlad at all and left me alone 13:04 <@kritixilithos> ah I see, nice :) 13:04 bhaak: he can't, the door is closed 13:07 oh no. that's cruel 13:07 he's okay with it 13:08 oh here he is! vlad must have opened the door 13:08 not that he needed to 13:09 bhaak: huh? 13:09 oh 13:10 ok this is odd, the door was still closed 13:10 how did he get out? 13:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Arc Gno Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:54764 13:23 <@Winsalot> Do any of you guys use youtube to losten to music? Its autoplay has been going crazy lately- playing 2 same songs one after another over and over again 😃 13:23 <@Winsalot> I think I broke youtube's recommendation engine 😃 13:24 <@kritixilithos> if I were to listen to music I would listen to minecraft background music 10 hours so I have no problem with autoplay 13:25 <@Winsalot> Btw if all of my items get identified, does this include items in the bag? 13:26 <@Winsalot> Like if I get lucky with a throne 13:26 YEESSSS A SPELLLLL 13:29 winsalot: not in your containers 13:29 which reminds me 13:29 aosdict: please please PLEASE implement coloured flashes 13:31 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:32 colored... flashes? 13:44 https://www.tubhack.com/ttyrecs/blood_blade.ttyrec.html almost a game! 13:44 * mcw is spam :( 13:45 delicious spam 13:45 Looky you can cast a spell! :) 13:45 Though the way you cast it is through an item 13:46 I want to make spells more resource constrained 13:46 pw is poop 13:46 Well, this isprobably pooper but I try! 13:52 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:54 aosdict: yes, when you drop a container on an altar in nh4 variants, you see coloured flashes and everything in the container is buc'ed 14:10 <@Winsalot> TIL 14:11 <@Winsalot> Btw why is vanilla so much more popular than variants? From my point of view any NH4 variant is better. 14:12 branding 14:12 nethack 3.x is still the "real" thing 14:17 [hdf-us] [nd] ORC (Ran Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (gremlin), on T:6946 14:28 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 14:43 <[Demo]> nh4 isnt real nethack 14:44 no you're not real 14:45 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:55 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 14:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 14:57 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:58 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 14:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 15:03 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 15:11 <[Demo]> ok so lokoban is completely dumb 15:12 but explosions... 15:12 lokoban? 15:12 you shouldn't ask 15:13 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:13 -!- raisse has quit [Client Quit] 15:14 <[Demo]> i had forgot i wasnt playing actually dnh and was like hmm maybe ill do soko 15:14 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:16 <@Tone> Hi #hardfought 😄 I'll be continuing my 3.6.1-dev Orc Wizard stream from last weekend. Just got to sokoban and will be progressing through the early-/mid-game. 15:16 <@Tone> https://www.twitch.tv/tonelive 15:17 <[Demo]> god im glad i made aligned priests yellow 15:22 <[Demo]> does anyone play much yukki onna in dnh? 15:22 <[Demo]> the passive cold is kind of nuts 15:23 <[Demo]> one hit a fully armored warhorse 15:29 hothraxxa: question 15:29 fire away 15:29 I have now ported over colored flashes 15:29 oooo 15:30 but there's an exploit and I'm not sure how to prevent it 15:30 i did not know that 15:30 the exploit is, how do you prevent a hallucinating player from learning which of the items are cursed/uncursed via trying different combinations of items and seeing which flash or don't flash? 15:32 It's sort of an edge case - most players would be able to wait out hallucination anyway. 15:32 i don't understand the problem 15:32 i might not be thinking clearly 15:33 I think I'm just being dumb 15:33 if you're hallucinating, you can uncursed ID anyway 15:33 by dropping the item on the altar regularly 15:33 yeah which is why i don't get the problem 15:33 so this is consistent, never mind 15:35 K2: pushed colored flashes in containers 15:36 yay! 15:36 * hothraxxa smooches aosdict 15:46 <[Demo]> oh nice 15:46 <[Demo]> i might steal that 15:51 I didn't know about that feature 15:59 well since hothraxxa asked so nicelt 15:59 nicely* 15:59 players will love you, trust me 16:08 <@Winsalot> oh yeah, the madness begins 😃 16:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] MiseryMyra (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2469 16:09 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 16:13 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:15 xNetHack updated (us and eu) 16:19 whee! 16:19 * hothraxxa shall save 16:20 <@Winsalot> holy shit, Im already in the sanctum and haven't found ring of conflict 16:21 <@Winsalot> It seems like eating that aligned unicorn angered not only chaotic god, but also RNGesus 16:22 <@Winsalot> You suddenly realize it is unnaturally quiet. ? 16:23 <@Winsalot> nice 16:24 you don't need conflict 16:24 <[Demo]> hmm i used some very advanced tactics 16:24 <@Winsalot> last time I almost died when I forgot to put it on 16:26 <[Demo]> any new sol valtiva users here? 16:32 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:34 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:35 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36 [hdf-us] [fh] Si (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 41036 points, T:4957, killed by a pony 16:36 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:37 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39 [hdf-us] [nd] Fiveace (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 628 points, T:2706, killed by a kobold shaman 16:43 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 16:49 [hdf-us] [nd] toneLive (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:12513 16:56 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:57 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01 [hdf-us] [nh] max383 (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 404 points, T:2359, killed by a bat 17:03 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:33 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 17:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 17:34 -!- MTF has joined #hardfought 17:34 sorry guys, having some issues with rld apparently 17:34 qit is back now 17:34 not sure how long it will las tthis time 17:34 heh 17:34 no idea why it's going down 17:34 I should just go study that git for 30m 17:38 <[Demo]> somehow lokoban is brokoban 17:39 <[Demo]> im really confused how this happened 17:40 <[Demo]> somehow a normal ass dungeon level was generated instead of my specified level 17:40 <[Demo]> no impossibles thrown 17:40 <[Demo]> this never happens in wizmode 17:40 MTF: btw 17:40 CM change is live 17:40 if you didn't notice 17:40 <[Demo]> im really confused 17:41 <[Demo]> ok what the hell 17:42 poor [Demo] 17:42 FIQ: I think I did notice, was playing a bit last night 17:43 I also renamed the items 17:43 to significy that it works nothing like vanilla CM 17:44 <[Demo]> wow 17:44 <[Demo]> this is really strange 17:44 <[Demo]> and i almost like it 17:44 <[Demo]> the final level of soko is as it should be 17:44 <[Demo]> this is probably a very very dangerous and bad bug 17:44 [Demo]: what are you even talking about 17:44 <[Demo]> somehow my sokoban broke entirely 17:44 <[Demo]> first level is what i have it set as 17:44 gg 17:45 <[Demo]> second and third levels are random normal dungeon levels 17:45 <[Demo]> fourth level is what it is set as 17:45 how do oyu even make such a bug 17:45 *you 17:45 [hdf-us] [nd] ORC (Ran Orc Mal Cha) had Grimtooth bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:14355 17:45 <[Demo]> i have no fucking clue, the weirdest part is get this 17:45 <[Demo]> it doesnt do it in wizard mode in any of my tests 17:45 <[Demo]> only in this normal game playthrough im doing 17:46 <[Demo]> my theory is it must have something to do with having gone to vlads or the quest or something already 17:46 <[Demo]> im thinking vlads 17:50 <[Demo]> hmm tried going to those places and still wouldnt replicate in wizmode 17:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Arc Gno Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:56435 17:58 <[Demo]> well im not sure how this is happening 17:59 !who 17:59 FIQ: [hdf-us] puck [fh] toneLive [nd] Eleven [nd] ORC [nd] Fiveace [nd] hothraxxa [xnh] 17:59 FIQ: [hdf-eu] No current players 18:05 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Ran Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:6333 18:06 [hdf-us] [nd] Fiveace (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 424 points, T:1702, poisoned by a rotted red mold corpse 18:18 [hdf-us] [nd] ORC (Ran Orc Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:14618 18:37 <@Tone> !time 18:37 @Tone: Sat Apr 21 18:37:27 2018 EDT 18:44 !time 18:44 mcw: Sat Apr 21 18:44:27 2018 EDT 18:44 Hah my time is bigger than yours 18:48 <[Demo]> cruel 18:49 !time 18:49 jonadab: Sat Apr 21 18:49:08 2018 EDT 18:55 [hdf-us] [nd] ORC (Ran Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16543 18:57 [Demo] brah how's lokoban? 18:57 <[Demo]> brokoban *somehow* 18:58 <[Demo]> works fine in wizard mode 18:58 <[Demo]> in actual play the middle two levels are normal dungeon levels 18:59 That sounds fun to debug. 19:00 [Demo]: did you see my first baby spell? 19:00 <[Demo]> no i should pull down some tubhack and compile it and look at it and stuff but im kind of dead rn 19:00 https://www.tubhack.com/ttyrecs/blood_blade.ttyrec.html for a preview \o/ 19:01 I'm not sure if I've pushed that code yet 19:01 Want to polish the ui 19:01 I re-wrote my prompt code 19:01 it's a million times cleaner now. 19:01 <[Demo]> wild 19:01 <[Demo]> i want a blood hat 19:01 <[Demo]> that keeps the tentacles off my head 19:02 Blood cloud 19:02 Depends on what magic school you invest in 19:02 blood magic is self-sacrifice based, so the cantrips and level1 spells are ritual dagger based where you cut yourself 19:02 <[Demo]> emo screamo extremo 19:02 :) 19:02 <[Demo]> do u get fire magic by lighting urself on fire? 19:03 Should exercise it at least! 19:03 My current thinking is spells cost charges of its reagent to cast 19:03 So you can't use them infinitely 19:03 like your ritual dagger might only have 20 charges, so you have to preserve etc 19:04 blood is cool cos you are melee but get to apply spell casting bonus while attacking 19:04 <[Demo]> add a bunch of emo jokes in there or something idk 19:07 random chance for your fringe to blind you 19:24 and now sleepy 19:24 nn 19:24 <[Demo]> gn 19:26 urrr, dropped bag of holding on an altar in xnethack, now all my eggs are BUC'd 19:27 how's that a problem? 19:27 btw, if you don't BUC your eggs and recognise that the bigger stack are "chook" or "chicken" eggs, then whenever you find a new egg and it doesn't stack... 19:28 you know it is a monster egg and can take the bother to ID it 19:28 bhaak, sometimes it is good to *not* BUC things 19:29 Grasshopper: for example? 19:29 eggs ^ 19:30 Grasshopper: aosdict: NH4 solves this problem by allowing you to merge stackables if you know BUC on one of the stacks 19:30 I'm having a deja vu 19:30 or say you have shop ID'd +0 daggers. Keep one without BUCing it. All +0 daggers you find after that will auto-stack 19:30 FIQ, I like that 19:33 Oh, god, I'd forgotten deliberately not BUC-ing things. I miss NetHack but there are things about it I don't miss. 19:33 Pinkbeast, how long since you have played vanilla? 19:35 now that I have dumped my bag on the altar, I don't know what is just "travelling equipment" and which is loot 19:35 because it is all BUC'd inside the bag 19:36 which means I'll have to go through and make decisions, sort it all out 19:36 My last ascension was Nov 2015, 3.4.3 Monk, unspoiled except stuff in my head (yeah, that's a low bar), on a Psion Series 5mx 19:37 @le?leech 19:37 leech (;) | Lvl: 4 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 3 | Res: poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 9 | Attacks: 1d4 bite level drain | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, swims, amphibious, vegetarian 19:38 Pinkbeast, wow, Nethack has come a long way since 3.4.3 19:39 Mmm, so I gather. 19:40 I think Grasshopper is sarcastic 19:40 adding a ton of Terry Pratchett citations is not "a long way" 19:40 I thought they meant including variants 19:41 there were lots of variants before 2015, even though nowadays all the rage is about xnethack :-] 19:41 bhaak: I used to go to the pub with Ali Harlow, that too I gather :-) 19:43 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 19:43 Pinkbeast: did he do programming on slashem after getting drunk in the pub? would explain some stuff in slashem ;-) 19:43 <[Demo]> oh wow 19:44 what variants got released from 2016 to today? was dnethack already out? 19:44 <[Demo]> yes 19:44 If Ali ever drank enough to get drunk, he hid it very well 19:44 haha 19:45 At the time I remember him being frustrated by the political impossibility of ever taking anything out of Slash'em; I remember us coming up with suggestions to gently slide things like assault rifles out the door without technically removing them. 19:45 ... so I dunno that much of its oddities are his fault 19:45 <[Demo]> assault rifles are one of the more fun items in that game 19:45 so he wanted actually balancing slashem 19:45 <[Demo]> wow 19:46 <[Demo]> thats so antislashem 19:46 bhaak: More or less, yes; the idea was that soldiers would have black powder firearms (which would be good for an initial salvo, but then need reloaded) so assault rifles and the ammo would only be wished for or got from the floorgod. You could mow down _something_ with an AR but not everything. 19:46 bhaak, the longest journey starts with a single step ;-> 19:47 IMO 3.6.0 got better simply by nerfing E 19:47 Grasshopper: although in a nonsensical way. 19:47 [hdf-us] [nd] toneLive (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16909 19:48 <[Demo]> its very interesting to hear about the thought that went into slashem 19:48 <[Demo]> because i have spent more hrs playing slashem than anything but vanilla 19:48 Pinkbeast: that would make it quite hard to use. yes 19:48 and introducing a few practical changes (ideas often taken from patches and variants) 19:48 the new members were apparently rushing as much into the code as possible 19:48 for the release of 3.6.0 19:48 bhaak, yes the E nerfing needed some more adjustment/refining 19:49 ... replacing with E removal 19:49 I never use E so nerfing it just took away something I never liked anyway 19:52 bhaak: xnethack 19:52 all other established variants were already a thing in 2016 19:52 fiqhack was 2nd last, work started in late 2015 19:52 4k in 2014 19:53 [hdf-us] [nh] max383 (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1309 points, T:2244, killed by a rothe 19:53 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 19:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 19:57 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:59 "The long worm is confused... The long worm bites itself." lol 20:02 FIQ: even SLEX? 20:03 wait. slashthem was in one Junethack, so it must be older, both of them 20:03 slex.. hmm 20:04 slex predates fiqhack 20:04 pretty sure it also predates 4k 20:04 slth probably came after 4k I think 20:04 slashthem was in junethack 2016 20:04 not sure if I'd regard slth as an "stablished variant" 20:04 *established 20:05 it has the dubious honor of being the only variant that has ever been *removed* from junethack 20:05 it was released and played 20:05 it was removed 20:05 for being buggy 20:06 the version in 2016. I don't know about the version in 2015 20:06 slth was in junethack 2015? 20:06 it had the most recorded games after vanilla in 2015 20:06 https://junethack.net/archive/2015/activity.html 20:06 yes 20:07 wait that makes no sense 20:07 most likely because of unique deaths or something like that 20:07