00:02 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 00:03 -!- Menche_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:18801 00:59 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 01:23 aosdict, I did eventually break those boulders in the general shop, and the shk charged me 7zm each 01:23 under each boulder was some shop loot (a potion and 2 tripe rations wheee!) 01:37 monring all 01:40 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:42 morning amy! 01:44 . 01:44 LarienTelrunya: Message from @rikersan at 2018-04-18 15:41 EDT: I had a segfualt in a very promisng hlf priest game, any way to recover it without the stupid thing deleting my save? this is plain dnh, not dnhslex :( 01:44 LarienTelrunya: Message from @rikersan at 2018-04-18 17:34 EDT: nvm I accidnetlaly hit yes to recover save and it's gone 01:44 well shit 01:44 morning mcw! 01:45 !tell rikersan https://github.com/AmyBSOD/dnhslex/commit/3bf646a47afe6c1d2a9e77c952456b24eee64ecd - and also sift through my other dnhslex commits, there's one that prevents save deletion if it detects a version mismatch 01:45 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 01:45 !tell Chris_ANG *Please* fix the broken recovery code. https://github.com/AmyBSOD/dnhslex/commit/3bf646a47afe6c1d2a9e77c952456b24eee64ecd - that should do the trick. 01:45 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 01:45 and if slex had such a bug, FIQ would immediately jump up and say "amy fix your shit" :P 01:46 making it sound like I broke it on purpose 01:49 !tell rikersan found it: https://github.com/AmyBSOD/dnhslex/commit/8f10defb10cf84291d027165b19fed762d29e7ae *prepares to tentacle the vanilla programmers who wrote the original code* 01:49 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 01:51 Isn't tentacling someone a good thing? 01:51 According to... sources 01:51 not for the someone who gets tentacled 01:52 ps amy fix your shit I can't belive you introduced a bug into a variant you didn't even write, on purpose! 01:52 :D 01:52 well it *is* fixed in dnhslex on the esm server :P 01:53 If my name doesn't appear in the official dnethack commit message at least three times together with words like 'savior' or 'most renowned and sacred' I'll take it as a personal insult. :P 01:53 :) 02:01 What should I do next I wonder? 02:01 LarienTelrunya: did you see my rainbow text? :) 02:02 huh? nope, where is it? 02:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 10574 points, T:8656, killed by a vampire 02:17 LarienTelrunya: https://www.tubhack.com/ttyrecs/madness.ttyrec.html 02:17 sorry zoned out there for a minute 02:17 early here 02:17 But couldn't stay in bed because slight hangover 02:19 Aww poor Grasshopper :( 02:19 mcw: all it says for me is: MediaError.MEDIA_ERR_SRC_NOT_SUPPORTED (numeric value 4) The media resource indicated by the src attribute was not suitable.(Sorry â€™bout that.) 02:20 What browser are you using? 02:21 internet exploder 11, hmm, I can try with mozilla firefox too 02:21 Please, I thought it should work with ie11 02:21 But I am poop with website things 02:21 maybe I'd need flash player, which is not installed on this PC I think 02:22 No, shouldn't do! 02:22 Oh have you got a ttyrec player installed? 02:22 yay it works on firefox! 02:22 yeah I have termplay installed 02:22 ah cool firefox :) 02:23 https://www.tubhack.com/ttyrecs/madness.ttyrec - if you strip the .html off the url you can get the raw ttyrec always 02:23 you probably meant the fleecy-colored "welcome to tubhack v0.1" in the beginning? :) 02:23 yes 02:23 but wait for the combat spam later 02:24 yep, raw ttyrec works too 02:24 why is there a SIGSEGV at the end? 02:25 I try to apply something that is not apply-able to a monster 02:25 I thought I was using my stethoscope 02:25 but it was a different key that game 02:26 I fixed it :) 02:26 https://git.tubhack.com/mcw/tubhack/commit/fe003aa46d5f4d08aae19085f05160b162e2b40d (Applying an object with no action no longer crashes.) 02:26 * mcw is stupid 02:28 I'm wondering why C and C++ even have that segfaulting crap in the first place, instead of the programming language itself throwing a (diagnosable) error that says "variable foo in function bar at line baz is undefined" 02:29 valgrind ! 02:29 But I think the real answer is "performance" 02:29 PS: https://git.tubhack.com/mcw/tubhack/src/master/src/hit.cpp - how readable do you reckon this is, as someone who maintains/writes their own variant? 02:30 int DoHits at the bottom is the "entry" poitn. 02:30 point, too 02:31 well I'm not familiar with c++, but I'd say the readability is similar to that of nethack's mhitu/uhitm code 02:31 damn 02:31 I'd hoped for better 02:33 my opinion is probably biased anyway, since I consider the nethack code to be actually quite readable (many devs will probably disagree with that statement) 02:33 * mcw disagrees with that sttement 02:33 statement 02:34 I'd hoped calling things by their names instead of random 3 letter abbreviations would help! :p 02:34 NetHack is mostly quite ordinary idiomatic pre-ANSI C, it's just that not many people who aren't NetHack variant developers use pre-ANSI C... 02:35 s/use/like/ 02:35 I did in fact mean "use" 02:35 :) 02:35 one thing I'm enjoying is not reading through the manual linked list code in literally every place ever. 02:38 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38 -!- [Demo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 02:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 02:40 [hdf-us] [nd] max383 (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1676 points, T:2978, poisoned by a rotted glob of brown pudding, while helpless 02:40 -!- riker has joined #hardfought 02:40 you know you got issues when your best idea at 2:40 AM is to play some SLEX 02:40 -!- riker is now known as rikersan 02:40 . 02:40 rikersan: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-19 01:45 EDT: https://github.com/AmyBSOD/dnhslex/commit/3bf646a47afe6c1d2a9e77c952456b24eee64ecd - and also sift through my other dnhslex commits, there's one that prevents save deletion if it detects a version mismatch 02:40 rikersan: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-19 01:49 EDT: found it: https://github.com/AmyBSOD/dnhslex/commit/8f10defb10cf84291d027165b19fed762d29e7ae *prepares to tentacle the vanilla programmers who wrote the original code* 02:40 -!- rikersan is now known as riker 02:40 yo riker! 02:41 sorry about the loss of that dnh savegame :( Chris should fix his shit :P 02:41 Wait riker it#s 2.40 now or then? 02:41 no clue 02:41 this is .17 i thought 02:42 Unix SlashEMExtended Version 2.1.7 (a0f5d9b) - last build Wed Apr 11 11:19:17 02:42 Err, I mean't 2:40AM :p 02:42 oh 02:42 uh now 02:42 and i'm playing 02:42 so that's current 02:42 this is est 02:42 also amy I think it's fixed my dnh is like a month old 02:42 the root cause of the crash was already fixed and all 02:43 (silver flesh searing msgs when you can't see the monster but you know it's there) 02:43 well it's not the segfaults itself that are causing this; the segfaults should of course be fixed, but the real showstopper is that if it segfaults, Chris's bugged recovery code will break the save regardless of HOW the segfault was caused 02:44 shrug 02:44 it's 2;45 i'm not up to this convo 02:45 heh, I've messaged Chris about it again, also linking him the commit; it's up to him to implement it or not 02:45 i feel so bad for hin 02:45 him 02:45 I will bet he has at least 20 msgs waiting 02:45 he hasn't been here in a while 02:46 aw yiss 02:46 tinker tech 02:52 [hdf-us] [slex] rikersan (Gla Ang Mal Cha), 2924 points, T:1977, quit 02:57 [hdf-us] [nd] max383 (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 517 points, T:498, killed by a wand 03:03 [hdf-us] [slex] rikersan (Gla Ang Mal Cha) killed Tomoka Kayahara, on T:2443 03:04 @le?Tomoka Kayahara 03:04 Tomoka Kayahara (@) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 15 | Res: disintegrate petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: unique | AC: 10 | Attacks: 1d1 weapon fear, 2d4 gaze fear, 2d4 gaze fear | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, stalker 03:09 aosdict: this python stuff is beautiful and I love you. 03:17 [hdf-us] [slex] rikersan (Gla Ang Mal Cha), 32522 points, T:3575, killed by a monster (invisible Obox-ob), while paralyzed by a monster's gaze 03:18 !lastgame 03:18 riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikersan/slex/dumplog/1524120787.slex.txt 03:18 riker: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/xnethack/dumplog/1524081665.xnh.txt 03:34 anyone have any feelings/thoughts about these canyons? https://pastebin.com/raw/5JqWLqs4 03:38 oh you have scripts to generate various dungeon levels? nice! 03:38 * LarienTelrunya needs more dungeon levels for the next slex version 03:40 LarienTelrunya: it's based on aosdict xnh script 03:41 super super easy to smash around with 03:41 Lemme find his link for you! 03:41 yay, level generation scripts ♥ 03:42 LarienTelrunya: it is just for testing, then I guess you port the code to C/++ 03:42 https://pastebin.com/VCMJqLAN 03:42 is my one 03:43 https://github.com/copperwater/xnethack-extras/ is the link 03:44 thanks :) 03:44 LarienTelrunya: it's nice to be able to just yolo and try stuff out and iterate real fast 03:44 -!- riker has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:44 well I'm not planning to implement those generators in slex, what I usually do is generate levels and then implement them in my .des files directly 03:44 that's what I did with jonadab's perlscripts too ;) 03:45 !tell aosdict do you have sample output of your tomb generation perlscript? 03:45 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 03:45 !tell aosdict err, pythonscript 03:45 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 03:46 LarienTelrunya: yes, lemme generate some for you 03:46 maybe I can use some of them for my "deep mines" branch, which is supposed to be a more difficult version of the gnomish mines 03:48 LarienTelrunya: https://www.tubhack.com/ttyrecs/tombs.ttyrec.html 03:49 Sorry I can't pastebin 03:49 It has colours so it's hard to copy/paste 03:50 no problem, in the des file it won't have colors anyway ;) 03:51 Sure, I just wanted you to be able to see what it looked like! 03:51 Hope that helps? :) 03:51 of course! I grabbed a few of them and will probably implement them in slex :) thanks! 03:52 np! 03:52 I think aosdict script should run on windows fine too 03:54 yeah but I'd have to install python I guess 03:56 [hdf-us] [nd] max383 (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1304 points, T:1850, killed by a killer bee 03:57 Do you hate installing things? :D 04:00 yes :P 04:00 :-) 04:02 ok I need to run and get some toilet paper 04:02 back ina bit! 04:02 * mcw does not plan ahead 04:03 https://scoreboard.xd.cm/recent.slx.html #51 :D 04:06 LarienTelrunya: dnh recover has no issues 04:06 because dnethack doesn't have >127 levels 04:07 I want to recall that I told you in first place that willy-nilly level expansion was a terrible idea 04:07 FIQ: riker said that he got a segfault in regular dnh and recovery erased his save (locally) 04:07 seems I was right 04:07 LarienTelrunya: OK, but your linked fix does nothing to solve this 04:07 dnh 3.15.2 has >127 levels 04:07 3.15.2 isn't hosted on server 04:07 just like 2.1.7 shouldn't have been 04:08 why does the fix not solve it? I've verified that it fixes it in dnhslex, which is 3.15.2 and hosted on esm :D 04:08 You said someone got a crash locally. I assumed you meant a stable version, in which your fix would be useless since it targets level expansion 04:08 Then you clarified that you talked about 3.15.2 04:08 Do you know why Chris_ANG doesn't have 3.15.2 on server? 04:08 Because it isn't stable 04:09 well, since I'm fairly sure Chris will release 3.15.2 eventually, wouldn't it be a good idea to tell him about bugs so he can fix them *before* it's released? 04:09 Due to level expansions creating inevitable issues 04:09 Maybe you should take more care yourself before releasing server versions with critically broken save management 04:09 I'm still certain that level expansion can work and the bugs can eventually all be tracked down and eliminated 04:09 Chris_ANG will not release 3.15.2 04:09 huh? 04:10 Too many problems with level extension 04:11 they can all be fixed, Chris should believe in himself and not give up too easily! 04:11 dnethack doesn't need more levels 04:11 it's already too long as-is IMO 04:11 heck, dnhslex runs on esm and has the level extension, and apart from the recovery bug that I fixed, seems to work alright 04:12 i.e. after fixing the bug, I've not seen any issues with dnhslex level extension 04:12 Yes, I'm sure Elronnd would be overjoyed over having to babysit an ascension-ready save 04:12 to watch so it doesn't crash 04:12 why would Elronnd have to do it? *I* am the administrator of that server :P 04:12 like a certain someon decided to do 04:12 for completely legitimate reasons, as was clear! 04:13 Oh I assumed he was 04:13 But well then 04:13 Elronnd is the co-admin, so to speak 04:13 It's still stupid IMO 04:13 yes, and that's why I want to eliminate all those bugs so the babysitting will no longer be necessary 04:13 Or you could just not add >127 levels 04:13 the astral plane crash-on-entering bug is already fixed 04:14 You went over one of the game's supposed hard limits 04:14 While that limit clearly assumed old hardware 04:14 exceeding it in this case means you are going too far with length 04:14 IMO 04:14 well, do we still use such old hardware nowadays? I think not :P 04:16 anyway, Tariru's crash upon entering astral was an old buffer overrun that was completely unrelated to >127 levels and has existed for a long time (fixed now), and the bugged behavior upon recovering was an assumption in recover.c related to the 127 level limit (also fixed now) (yes, I tested those fixes on both windows and unix to ensure they really fix it) 04:28 Well, to break this strange tension, the walk to the store pushed the business back up inside, which means it was a wasted trip. :( 04:28 LarienTelrunya: how can a crapping noise *ever* be described as tender? 04:28 :D 04:42 [hdf-us] [nd] max383 (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 660 points, T:1309, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gold golem 04:46 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 04:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 04:46 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:47 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:57 My god do I hate python explicit self 05:01 flying to Florida! Disneyworld! 05:02 nice 05:03 see you from FL :) 05:10 K2: good luck! 05:10 K2: and have fun :-) 05:11 [hdf-us] [nd] max383 (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1116 points, T:1388, killed by a rothe 05:26 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 05:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 348 points, T:718, killed by a hobbit 05:35 https://pastebin.com/raw/DY6PDirc getting there! 05:38 mcw: come over to the light side. use Ruby 05:39 bhaak: I'm just using aosdict'c ode 05:39 I don't hate ruby at all 05:48 and now for the tricky part... 05:53 mcw: use COBOL 05:53 WOOOOOOOOOO 05:53 https://i.imgur.com/WCeIX68.png 05:53 it is a nice and very readable language, and the code is self-documenting! 05:53 :-) 05:53 Lookie a multimap! 05:53 is that a cavernous level 05:54 canyon (but no idea if that's the wrong word) 05:54 Yeah, I'm trying to generate tileable maps 05:54 So that I can do a 4x4 level branch 05:54 ah 05:54 I am going to generate little rooms off to the side tunneled into the wall 05:55 And in the middle probably have an opening with a tower 05:55 ok 05:55 Has anyone ever experimented with doing "overlay" maps, like, a bridge? 05:55 That you can walk under on one level, but over on another 05:55 overlay? like, where tiles can have different elevation? 05:55 ah 05:56 Yes, but only two levels, "above" and "current2 05:56 * mcw wants walkways 05:56 well I've done pokémon romhacking... but never coded such a system from scratch no 05:56 Would it be poop in a nh like? 05:56 mcw: I'd probably do above, current, below 05:56 but that should be enough 05:56 FIQ: yes, sorry, below is required 05:56 So you can stand on the bridge and see the monsters scurry below! 05:57 Would have a key toggle to toggle visiblity 05:57 so like, ctrl+l would cycle through show-above, show-below, hide-above-below 05:57 It'd be fun to pathfind in 3d as well :-) 05:57 But that's for the future 06:01 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 06:32 -!- machinespray has joined #hardfought 06:44 https://i.imgur.com/23oCB36.png 06:44 CANYON TOWN 06:47 omg are your levels going to be that huge?! 06:47 LarienTelrunya: that is multiple levels 06:47 You'll "port" through the edges 06:47 LarienTelrunya: oh, no, that is an entire branch 06:47 will stuff on the "other" levels continue to happen while you're on a specific one? 06:47 LarienTelrunya: not sure, but I don't think so 06:48 LarienTelrunya: it won't be 100 levels x 16. :) 06:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:50 LarienTelrunya: and not every branch will be flat! I just want a ton of variety in branch layout 06:50 So it's not always "go in, go down/up, go back the other way" 06:50 heh, did you ever play TOME 2.3.5? it has flat branches ;) 06:50 I played some TOME but didn't likey 06:51 SoI could definitely make monsters chase you cross the entire branch 06:51 screenshot: http://abload.de/img/tm009306ssg.png 06:51 but the question is would that be GOOD gameplay? 06:51 LarienTelrunya: does that scroll? 06:51 yes, because the levels are unfortunately bigger than the screen 06:52 I think the one-level-per-screen is what makes nethack so good 06:52 I always play it with the "player is always centered" option set to on 06:52 Or, one of the super major reasons 06:52 Because you can take in the entire situation at a single glance 06:53 ToME also has a lot of variety in level generation: https://abload.de/img/tm02933guoz.png 06:53 28C today :-( 06:53 Me likey the levels! 06:53 The moria levels in dnh are super cool too 06:53 and here's an ocean level: http://abload.de/img/tm0020xrjm0.png 06:53 -!- [Demo] has joined #hardfought 06:53 That one is kinda eh 06:53 Good morning [Demo] the memo! 06:54 <[Demo]> my bot crashed :( 06:54 <[Demo]> had to restart from phone 06:54 it also likes to create monster-filled vaults: https://abload.de/img/tm03217nupy.png 06:54 oh no 06:54 LarienTelrunya: special rooms are for "later" 06:55 <[Demo]> it does look like the debugging info i added will be useful 06:55 how about this? https://abload.de/img/tm0266fbutk.png 06:55 -!- machinespray has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:55 LarienTelrunya: yeah, definitely want to do an outdoor/camp/castle branch 06:55 [Demo]: wanna see my wiggly thing? :) 06:55 that one is from the Land of Rhun, which is also a flat branch 06:56 oh, and ToME also has a world map: https://abload.de/img/tm01632istu.png 06:56 <[Demo]> yea I do but like not sure when 06:56 [Demo]: no time like the present https://i.imgur.com/23oCB36.png 06:57 LarienTelrunya: I'm going to have a hub level with branchport to each branch 06:58 <[Demo]> is that a megamap? 07:00 -!- machinespray has joined #hardfought 07:01 -!- machinespray has quit [Client Quit] 07:06 [Demo]: yar 07:06 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:06 [Demo]: but it is played as multiple discrete levels 07:06 [Demo]: no scrolling! 07:08 <[Demo]> wild 07:09 that's me 07:09 Now I just need to work out how the hell I do a pull request in github 07:10 <[Demo]> yeahhhh good luck 07:10 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 07:10 <[Demo]> that shits a fucking bop it 07:12 I click fork 07:12 * mcw is professional coder 07:19 I done it 07:20 !tell aosdict Don't you dare reject me. 07:20 Will do, mcw! 07:26 -!- Adeon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:31 rip Adeon 07:32 needs more ducks 07:32 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:34 !who 07:34 FIQ: [hdf-us] No current players 07:34 FIQ: [hdf-eu] No current players 07:54 !who 07:54 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] Eleven [nd] max383 [nd] 07:54 bug_sniper: [hdf-eu] No current players 07:57 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 90 points, T:400, killed by a jackal 07:57 . 07:57 aosdict: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-19 03:45 EDT: do you have sample output of your tomb generation perlscript? 07:57 aosdict: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-19 03:45 EDT: err, pythonscript 07:57 aosdict: Message from mcw at 2018-04-19 07:20 EDT: Don't you dare reject me. 07:58 I'm sorry mcw, I just don't think a serious relationship is what I'm looking for. Maybe we can still be friends? 07:59 :P 08:03 * mcw cries 08:03 if you want just the generator.py and not canyon.py I can do that 08:03 i want a cool nethack game 08:03 I'm more concerned about whether the generator.py changes will break tombgen 08:04 Doesn't seem like it. 08:04 I tested ;) 08:04 nethack is fun color inverted 08:05 canyon.py seems broken 08:05 it can't find Path() 08:06 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:5503 08:06 Huh 08:06 * mcw tests 08:06 also, Coord and Math 08:06 *math 08:06 wait, math is right there 08:06 Ah fuck it needs to import the stuff 08:06 I moved the things into generator.py 08:06 tested tombgen 08:07 then forgot canyon \o/ 08:07 ah math is missing from generator 08:07 Oopsies 08:07 Weird that it works for tombgen 08:08 is complaining about d being undefined (canyon.py line 61) 08:08 sec 08:08 I fixed it all 08:08 I pushed 08:09 Oh nice, it automatically updates the pull request 08:09 Sorry about that. :( 08:09 pull the wool over his eyes 08:10 it produced a blank canyon.txt (ran with a single corner_ul) 08:10 Ah you need an 'x' to flush it 08:11 The idea being you can do 'canyon.py horizontal horizontal corner_ul x' 08:11 neat 08:12 I should add an auto wallification function to the generator so can see what the canyon would look like wallified 08:12 but I'm hoping the Edge/Path/Coord stuff will be useful (for neatness, not essential-ness) for other gen? 08:13 Hopefully. 08:13 Yar! 08:13 I have not much time to work on this right now. 08:13 no worries, I'm really liking prototyping it in python 08:13 Lets me just mash away and experiment 08:14 Is there a good way to generate a random free location in a cavern? 08:14 Heh. I think *this* is the main advantage over Perl. 08:14 Or do I just try try try until I get one 08:14 mcw: Not unless you had a data structure set up to track that (eg what I did with doors in tombgen). 08:15 Okey dokey, I can return the path actually 08:15 nethack generally tries tries tries a fixed number of times and then either tries iteratively or impossible()s. 08:15 Or just always spawn at the "start" whcih which is an edge. 08:15 Ah ok, I'll add the logical/iterative fallback 08:15 Or I can generate fake rooms 08:16 It'd be good to have a generator function "pick a random coordinate within this rectangle of this terrain type, at least X far away from other terrain" 08:16 Ah yes, true 08:16 I can test all thatout and add it to generator.py 08:16 And every time I finish my experiments I port that code to .cpp 08:16 Which actually isn't too terrible 08:28 some sort of golem maker role would be neat 08:28 animist 08:29 https://i.imgur.com/C0XNEnJ.png woot 08:30 Now to code the transitions between levels 08:32 oh nice 08:32 aosdict: I guess the general approach re: placement is to let the levelgen code have some storage on the map, and fill in a function pointer to a function that will return a valid location (background-wise) 08:33 elves should be able ride a lot of shit bareback 08:33 So the map doesn't have to care itself what the structures the levelgen uses to decide placement, since they will be somewhat different for each type of map 08:33 [Demo]: Orcs? 08:33 orcs should be able to ride wargs and shit 08:33 im thinking of elves riding like whatever by just climbing on it 08:33 slashem I think you can saddle anything 08:34 like that ps2 game where you fight the huge bosses 08:34 Demo_: beastmaster role, with race-specific subroles like noble 08:34 shadow of the collosus 08:34 yeah 08:34 however it's spelled 08:34 elves should be able to do that shit 08:34 to large monsters 08:35 see this would work well in dnethack because monster sizes are so spelled out 08:37 I am stealing the size thing from dnh 08:39 anyway that game is cool as shit and i wanna implement some sort of way for like elves or something to ride fight monsters 08:39 Do it then!! 08:39 You have the power 08:39 I have faith in you 08:39 but what would it even do 08:40 I dunno 08:40 be cool and stuff I guess? 08:40 but like you hop on a big old enemy monster 08:40 then what? 08:42 Port to a level which is the enemy monster zoomed in? 08:43 lol 08:43 aosdict: thanks! Also thanks for slapping some sense into me re: not rerolling my own hit/ac systems (etc) 08:46 Don't get me wrong, I still think it's crazy talk to say "here is a large codebase I don't want to work within, better build it all up from scratch" 08:51 an important difference between tubhack and other variants will be that you can't easily transfer code between them, like I did with a grunthack feature. 08:53 !tell Chris_ANG Horror AT_ARRW attacks might be a little bit broken, one of them attacked me with over 70 projectiles in one turn. 08:53 Will do, Demo_! 08:53 poor chris 08:53 ive left him quite a shitstorm 09:06 aosdict: I know it's crazy 09:06 doesn't stop it being fun! 09:08 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:12 reimplementing nethack is not the crazy part 09:13 it can be a fun experience and you can learn a lot about your skills and programming in general 09:13 the mad thing about tubhack is that you are doing it in C! 09:13