00:05 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 646 points, T:1910, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 00:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 8 points, T:21, killed by a newt 00:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 377 points, T:434, killed by a dwarf zombie 00:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 348 points, T:706, killed by a kobold zombie 00:48 -!- Guest18892 has joined #hardfought 00:51 -!- dell00 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 00:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 11908 points, T:9493, killed by an ettin mummy 01:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 669 points, T:2105, killed by a kitten 01:00 whoever is lucky enough to find all my healer bones is going to be rich 01:04 I found your last healer bones before, but I'm still dead :C 01:17 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 01:42 nooouuu 01:42 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:00 YANI: instead of eating a giant meat boulder deep into satiation, why not prompt "you feel like you've had enough, want to stop eating?" 02:01 Why should my character eat until his eyes are bulging out of his head? I'm a healer! I should know when eating too much goes from sustenance to unhealthy indulgence. 02:08 aosdict: for xNetHack consideration (above) 02:14 -!- bouquet has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:14 -!- hpardis has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:36 nice patch idea: do the same for all foods 03:52 -!- Guest18892 has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 03:53 -!- Guest18892 has joined #hardfought 04:10 Tbh just allowa count with eating 04:10 So if you do 2e (food ration) 04:10 You'd get 2/5 * 800 nutrition 04:10 re bouquet's suggestion 04:11 PS: LarienTelrunya I have YASI for slex!! 04:11 hi mcw! 04:11 LarienTelrunya: Message from @rikersan at 2018-04-17 18:50 EDT: idea: different death messages than you die. like "WASTED", "YOU DIED", "haha noob", "FATALITY", "your bones are scraped clean by the desolate wind. your vault will now surely die...", etc. 04:11 LarienTelrunya: Message from jonadab at 2018-04-17 21:03 EDT: http://jonadab.jumpingcrab.com/pastebin/995.txt 04:15 mcw: what's the pancake wielding bug? 04:16 bhaak: tubhack would crash if you tried to wield a pancake 04:16 bhaak: I forget why now but it was something pretty dumb 04:17 * mcw checks git 04:18 Ah yes, so non-weapon items that you wield can only go in one of your right hands, but the code that skipped the prompt left the left/right selection as -1 instead of right. 04:19 mcw: NH4 does this 04:19 with every multiturn action 04:19 not just eating 04:19 FIQ: ah nice 04:19 FIQ: can you do 100z (wand) 04:19 to wrest? 04:20 it will allow you to interrupt at any time by pressing a key, and will also allow you to input a number to do that many turns of the multiturn action 04:20 I like the interrupty thing 04:20 LarienTelrunya: so my stupid idea is allow characters and monsters to have more than one set of arms,legs,head ! 04:20 huh 04:20 ...yes it works 04:20 I never realized this 04:20 mcw: just wielding? that's harsh :) 3.4.3 had a bug when your wielded item got destroyed by attacking with (classic dangling pointer) 04:20 thanks for the hint 04:21 this is great 04:21 bhaak: tubhack is rewritten from scratch 04:21 mcw: ugh... it was difficult enough to make a new implant slot, and that also works only because a certain bitfield had exactly one free spot where it fits 04:21 -!- Guest18892 is now known as raisse 04:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:21 LarienTelrunya: add more bitfields! 04:22 why so cheap? make them bytesfields! 04:23 :) 04:23 I hope my yolo usage of the standard containers is not going to cause too much memory usage 04:24 mcw: you develop too fast 04:24 but eh, should be fine 04:24 you should slow down so that you don't reduce my confidence in myself codewise 04:24 (jk good job :p) 04:24 FIQ: I've been off work for 11months (no compete contract) so this is the first time I've coded for aaaages, I need to get it all out of me! 04:24 FIQ: and thanks :) 04:24 Also blame LarienTelrunya for telling me to do my own variant 04:25 but you didn't do a variant 04:25 :P 04:25 btw 04:25 pressing space to dismiss a menu 04:25 will still ask for input 04:25 for said menu 04:25 for example 04:25 q 04:25 then space 04:26 will remove the menu 04:26 then if you press b 04:26 you quaff be 04:26 *b 04:27 Space is broken 04:27 It works if the menu has multiple pages 04:27 But screws up on single page 04:27 I will fix! 04:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:29 mcw: you're the first person I see that is apologizing for using cmake. 04:29 bhaak: Some people have an irrational hatred of it 04:29 gives the impression that you are a person with common sense 04:30 "hatred" is a hard word but it tends to break under my fingers and the I'm SOL 04:33 Cmake is super awesome for simple builds, but compile-time build+run (e.g. des compilation) makes it waaay uglier 04:44 cmake documentation seems to be bad, too. every time I had to look up something, I ran into problems 04:45 mcw: btw 04:45 why the tty interface ._. 04:45 I also had cmake not failing at the configuration step when some libraries were missing. I don't know if that is a mistake by the dev or not but I also had problems finding out what was the canonical way of configuring a library, so I don't know. 04:47 FIQ: easier to hack around with,I'm going to use the windowcallbacks from nh4 04:47 FIQ: but that will take a bit of time to extract from the nh4 codebase as it stands 04:47 bhaak: I think mistake by the dev, but not really their fault - the docs are pretty opaque. 04:48 bhaak: I think people give up after reading the docs and just do manual include/links 04:49 Ohohoho horses are going to get multiple kick attacks for free :) 04:49 Since they have multiple sets of legs, and all kick attacks get to strike per-set-of-legs. 04:50 I have a bug to report. nobody dies. 04:50 HP:-24(200) 04:50 :D 04:50 What I'm working on now is death 04:50 Also being able to hit the goblin and do damage! 04:51 I had to add a stethoscope to test monster hp generation 04:51 but it should help in debugging attacking as well 04:51 Also that code should make keys be super easy to implement! 04:51 And any other directional tools 05:10 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 05:22 mcw: honestly I don't know if NH3 or NH4 has the saner windowport code 05:23 Ah yes, the nh3 curses is very new (courtesy of a certain someone) 05:26 -!- ais523_ has joined #hardfought 05:26 -!- ais523_ is now known as ais523 05:26 Beholder: hi 05:26 ais523: Message from rikersan at 2018-04-10 18:19 EDT: I found https://code-golf.io/, you may like it. no reputation system or anything afaict. sincerely, somebody from ppcg. 05:26 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2018-04-12 07:53 EDT: There is suspicions that the NH4's RNG seed is too weak to avoid bruteforce. What are your thoughts on this? 05:26 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2018-04-15 11:14 EDT: any reason you didn't encode mx/my by assuming directional changes 99% of the time? 05:26 ais523: Message from aosdict at 2018-04-17 14:41 EDT: here is my main question regarding aimake: why was it necessary to create a whole build system from scratch? 05:26 ais523 was for a moment at work 05:26 then he decided "naah, work? boring!" 05:27 ais523: also, mcw intends to do the impossible 05:27 -!- ais523_ has joined #hardfought 05:27 rewrite NetHack from scratch 05:27 ais523 was for a moment at work 05:27 that was /not/ a good moment to lose my connection 05:27 then he decided "naah, work? boring!" 05:27 ais523: also, mcw intends to do the impossible 05:27 rewrite NetHack from scratch 05:27 can someone repaste the messages? 05:27 ok one sec 05:27 (can't check the hardfought website at work; I can look at them later if needed but it's better to talk now while I'm online) 05:28 2018-04-18 09:26:24 +Beholder ais523: Message from rikersan at 2018-04-10 18:19 EDT: I found https://code-golf.io/, you may like it. no reputation system or anything afaict. sincerely, somebody from ppcg. 05:28 2018-04-18 09:26:24 +Beholder ais523: Message from FIQ at 2018-04-12 07:53 EDT: There is suspicions that the NH4's RNG seed is too weak to avoid bruteforce. What are your thoughts on this? 05:28 2018-04-18 09:26:24 +Beholder ais523: Message from FIQ at 2018-04-15 11:14 EDT: any reason you didn't encode mx/my by assuming directional changes 99% of the time? 05:28 2018-04-18 09:26:24 +Beholder ais523: Message from aosdict at 2018-04-17 14:41 EDT: here is my main question regarding aimake: why was it necessary to create a whole build system from scratch? 05:29 err, mx/my /do/ assume directional changes 05:29 it was invented for them 05:29 as for aimake, I was up against an April 1 deadline and couldn't get the existing build system (cmake) to work 05:29 oh I thought they were encoded with HP regen for some reason 05:29 it was my fault as in I'd made the project unbuildable, but cmake wasn't allowing me to diagnose the issue 05:29 so it was faster to write a new build system 05:29 aosdict: ^ 05:30 back then I was more productive than now 05:30 also, HP regen is encoded with the directional change algo rather than the other way round 05:30 ahhh 05:30 I see 05:30 that's because it usually ends up changing the bottom byte by 1, and sometimes the second-bottom byte by 1 05:30 so the same algo is usable 05:30 hmm aosdict might be wondering why you *kept* using aimake 05:30 after you inevitably found the problem 05:30 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:31 YES! weapons, attacks, hits,misses 05:31 * mcw rejoices 05:31 because build system replumbing takes up a surprising amount of time in other build systems 05:31 especially when you're refactoring a lot, it's nice to just be able to move things between files and have everything work 05:32 at work I program in Java, and I have to do a clean build whenever I change a class into an interface or vice versa 05:32 because of how Java's build systems work 05:33 re: the RNG seed, it's 96 bits wide, the best generic attacks I'm aware of against that sort of RNG run in time and memory use proportional to 2 to the power of half the bitwidth 05:33 NCommander claimed it was bruteforceable today 05:34 and 2⁴⁸ is a large enough number that it's unlikely people will be bruteforcing up to that level 05:34 maybe it is doable, though 05:34 ais523_: also, keep in mind that you can drastically reduce the bit width if you allow startscumming 05:34 no, the half-the-bitwidth attack takes that sort of thing into account 05:34 basically 05:34 startscum until you have a good seed 05:34 ah 05:35 ("good seed" as in "one you can find") 05:35 right, you can just keep generating random numbers instead, which comes to the same thing 05:35 in a way it's more fun for the RNG seed to be "just out of reach" rather than "well beyond anyone's abilities", though 05:35 it's a game, after all, and it'd be pretty easy to up the bitwidth if it turned out to be a problem 05:38 I think some of the other NH4 devs looked at the RNG when it was introduced, and decided that it was probably safe 05:42 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 05:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 05:43 * ais523_ is reminded of the IOCCC 05:44 "if we find a rules loophole, we aim to apply the smallest patch possible, if not smaller" or something like that 05:44 heh 05:45 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:50 sorry for not being online much recently 05:50 I've been trying so hard to concentrate on work / being productive 05:50 while still leaving time for hobbies 05:50 but I don't have enough time so I have to rotate through them 05:52 Time is poop 05:52 Never enough 05:55 https://www.tubhack.com/ttyrecs/kill_the_goblin.ttyrec.html 05:56 YES: Finally. The goblin that's been haunting me for however long has been DEFEATED. 05:56 anyway, I have a meeting now 05:56 and then I'll probably go home and go to bed 05:56 good luck,and sleep well ais523_ ! 05:56 it's possible I'll be on when I wake up, I haven't decided yet 05:56 bye 05:56 -!- ais523_ has quit [Quit: meeting] 05:58 <[Demo]> wild 05:59 has he moved timezones or is he again on a strange sleep cycle? 05:59 <[Demo]> you never know with a lot of these people 06:02 mcw: graphical messages please. "You crush the goblin, splintering bone and spraying gore." 06:02 :D 06:03 there is no nethack variant that has word coloring like DCSS? the best we have so far is sentence coloring 06:03 LarienTelrunya: hmm, would have to depend on how much you overkilled it by, and also the weapon/fist/claws you are using 06:04 I need to make a monster with 8 arms and 8 weapons 06:04 !! 06:04 Sec 06:04 playable (and fully equippable) marilith? 06:04 yeah, everything has arms 06:05 And legs, and heads! 06:05 Is MAGENTA the same as purple? 06:05 * mcw is colorblind 06:05 will you make a playable elder priest race with tentacle slots that have some sort of equipment :P 06:06 Hold your horses for two seconds ;) 06:06 YASI: you can play as elder priest, and there's item types that are equipped in new "tentacle" slots. 06:06 Mind flayers would be able to equip such items too, of course. 06:07 EPI: hostile mind flayers sometimes wear "elongator tentacles" that give their tentacling attack a range of 2 or 3, which they'll use like a polearm to hit you and drain your intelligence. 06:08 <[Demo]> cruel 06:09 <[Demo]> almost did that for acu 06:09 <[Demo]> I think the quest leader has that attack actually 06:10 <[Demo]> but almost gave it to acu as an ability 06:13 LarienTelrunya: you ready for this? 06:14 LarienTelrunya: https://www.tubhack.com/ttyrecs/elder_amy.ttrec.html 06:15 hahahahahahaha :D I especially like the "of shoes" one ♥ 06:15 At the moment tentacles can hold any item like normal arms 06:15 There isn't any difference 06:15 <[Demo]> jesus christ that's great 06:16 So the monster still only has one attack, not like a marilith! If you disarmed it, it would only get to attack with the weapons it has 06:16 <[Demo]> also I recommend using an angelic being system like dnh's 06:17 <[Demo]> where differently aligned angel types get different mlets 06:18 <[Demo]> does dnhslex add back apollyon and lucifer? 06:19 [Demo]: they're defined in monst.c, but set as G_NOGEN, so if they don't have a set spawn location and cannot be summoned via gating etc. then they won't appear 06:19 Fuck I need to make amy killable to test dropping items. 06:20 [Demo]: yeah definitely re the 7/A/etc 06:20 also, the dnh extra angel glyphs are very similar to the original: A Å Ä 06:20 I keep getting killed by this stupid monster 06:20 * mcw nerfs 06:20 mcw: hahaha you made it possible to die? 06:20 no wizmode "don't die" yet? 06:21 You don't disappear but things go screwy 06:21 ok cool 06:21 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:22 <[Demo]> dnh goes A-chaotic 9-neutral 7-lawful 06:23 <[Demo]> also Amy I think the code for lucifer spawning is still in there so you would only need to make apollyon spawn somewhere 06:23 https://www.tubhack.com/ttyrecs/drops.ttyrec.html 06:23 <[Demo]> do watch out because apollyon might still drop a law key 06:23 To prove it's not just faked up with attack names, she is actually attacking with real weapons! 06:24 :D 06:24 I'm happy with this progress 06:25 [Demo]: huh, apparently Lucifer spawns on astral if you killed Apollyon 06:26 <[Demo]> sounds right I think 06:26 <[Demo]> apollyon was replaced with oona 06:27 whyisA notlawfl 06:28 <[Demo]> ask chris 06:28 <[Demo]> idk 06:28 right, lunch -> tutoring -> first quest! 06:28 <[Demo]> can't think of a reason 06:28 Seeya later all 06:28 hyusedo be llA 06:28 m rchs Alawfl,6 netral, 9 chaotic 06:29 ths keyoardisgreat 06:30 <[Demo]> christ 06:36 bhaak: ais has always had a strange sleep cycle. 06:36 <[Demo]> I've had some bad experiences with some bad keyboards 06:37 have yo hadaysood tis 06:37 the bove iswht happens f type wthot dong ny coectons tall 06:38 and that 06:38 jonadab: some times, yes. but he is working now, too, so I expected that to improve his cycles 06:38 <[Demo]> never that bad, christ 06:38 bhaak: doesn't seem like it 06:38 <[Demo]> but some pretty bad like 3 dollar Chinese keyboards where for some reason shits all fucky 06:39 I miss my OP keyboard :P 06:39 <[Demo]> and you can't type for shit and you gotta manage a bunch of vms and shit during a red team type event and all you have is that shitty fucking keyboard 06:40 on that one my WPM was only marginally slower than desktop 06:40 heh 06:40 sounds like fun 06:41 I can type decently on this is I force my thumbs down to the point where they can start to hurt 06:42 *if 06:42 But not for long lol 06:43 Does it not have a USB port you can use to plug in a decent keyboard? 06:44 It is a phone 06:45 <[Demo]> Bluetooth keyboard? 06:45 This is a tohkbd 06:45 I think I was just unlucky 06:45 and got a keyboard that was utter shit 06:46 friends with the same one report no issues 06:46 <[Demo]> weird 06:48 <[Demo]> not using an international keyboard is great 06:48 Also I still prefer this over touch keyboards 06:49 whee I can't see 80% of the screen 06:49 and have an even worse failue rate 06:50 <[Demo]> my keyboard uses 40% 06:51 <[Demo]> and I've typed on it enough and autocorrect works well enough that shit I type is legible 06:51 <[Demo]> would not be able to use it without autocorrect 06:52 * jonadab remembers seeing a tech news story at one point about a device, might've been a phone, that let you handwrite the characters you wanted on the touch screen with your finger, instead of using an osk. 06:52 * jonadab shudders. 06:54 <[Demo]> autocorrect was used for like 1/4 of those words 06:58 jonadab: OTOH writing with a stylus is great. moving your whole arm is stupid when you only need to use your fingers with the appropriate device 06:58 I don't know how well styli work with contemporary touch devices. but back in the day, they were great 06:59 current touch screens are by software optimized for fingers, so probably not as well 06:59 bhaak: Writing with a stylus is about like writing with a pencil, on paper. At best. And that is about 20 times more effort than, and takes about 20 times as long as, typing on a decent keyboard. 07:00 * jonadab hated handwriting class in gradeschool with a fiery burning passion. Although, the fact that they always made us write in cursive was the worst part. 07:01 jonadab: if you have a decent keyboard at hand. for a device you keep in your palms, a keyboard is not the best option 07:04 morning 07:06 mcw looks like your project is gaining interest ;) 07:08 jonadab: As long as signatures remain proof of a legal binding I don't have a problem taking say a week in school to teach enough cursive for people to sign their own names. 07:08 aosdict: Legally, your signature doesn't have to be in cursive. It also doesn't have to be legible. 07:08 good thing 07:08 otherwis emy sig wouldnt count for anything 07:09 jonadab: Yeah, but the other option is everyone's signature is just a scribbly line, which statistically is going to bite SOME people later in life. 07:10 aosdict: Eh, in the late nineteenth century, a lot of people just signed with an X. 07:10 I have occasionally had a form rejected because I printed my name where it expected a signature. 07:10 The important point about a signature is that *you* make the mark. 07:10 aosdict: They can't legally do that. 07:10 Granted, not everyone knows this, so I'm sure it happens anyway occasionally. 07:11 But it's illegal to require you to be able to write your name in cursive, or at all, in order to sign something. 07:11 Because after the Civil War, some sore losers tried to get around anti-discrimination rules by requiring literacy for stuff like voting... 07:11 <[Demo]> Holy shit I can't write with a stylus 07:12 <[Demo]> my handwriting is entirely illegible 07:12 jonadab: I was pretty fast with jotting down notes. much faster than I am now with the onscreen keyboards of current devices. it also felt quite natural. 07:13 <[Demo]> my laptop has wacom tablet input built into the screen and I can't use it for shit 07:13 bhaak: Ok, yes, but that's at least partly because you could use shortcuts that wouldn't be legible to anyone but you. 07:14 jonadab: but the device turned it into printable characters, so nobody but the machine needed to understand my handwriting :-) 07:14 Oh, hmm. 07:16 the Newton had handwriting recognition, for the Palm you had to learn a specific way of writing the characters (although it was quite low effort as the strokes where mostly normal) 07:16 handwriting recognition doesnt work for me 07:16 it cant recognize my handwriting 07:18 we have powerful computers now, they have to recognize it, not you :) 07:19 I much prefer keyboards over handwriting 07:20 for writing texts, I would prefer handwriting 07:21 for programming or terminal work, keyboards work best. but that's due to the many hard to write characters combinations that have developed for that over the years 07:22 * bhaak wonders if the grafitti 1 patent has expired by now 07:25 hmm, that lawsuit was 2001, so most likely it has expired 07:27 * aosdict patents the graffiti "Elf has extra speed" 08:09 local system paths make me sad when i find them in stuff and its like :( 08:09 Is that another reference to Gauntlet? 08:09 jonadab: Either that or the Elf role. 08:10 Demo_: I've seen code that had the same path hardcoded 50+ times by copy/paste. 08:10 Instead of at least declaring a variable. 08:10 chris left a paniclog in his old ass dnh binary 08:10 that has local paths mentioned in it 08:10 poor guy must have typod his name when setting up his windows install 08:10 C:\Users\Chirs\ 08:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 5947 points, T:7127, killed by a leocrotta 08:27 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:2889 08:29 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:52 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 08:52 -!- cherryh.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org or nethack@eu.hardfought.org ¤ aosdict's new variant xNetHack (beta) is now live! 08:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 08:53 -!- K2 has joined #hardfought 08:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o K2] by ChanServ 09:33 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:39 What do the goldX, whatis_menu, and whatis_moveskip options in 3.6.1 do? 09:43 <@Tone> I have a feeling those last two are related to farlook and fast travel MiseryMyra 09:43 <@Tone> Both have expanded menus in 361 09:44 goldX is whether or not to include gold in the X menu 09:45 I don't know the others 09:46 FIQ: If you break a wand of teleportation, and something nearby with teleport control is affected, who teleports first? (Assuming they want to teleport right next to you to keep attacking or something.) 09:46 <@Tone> Actually I misread those, not sure what they might be 09:47 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 09:48 -!- stennowork has left #hardfought 09:48 aosdict: the player is always affected last 09:48 presumably for death reasons (to resolve wand breaking fully in case of bones) 09:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] MiseryMyra (Val Hum Fem Law), 406 points, T:2088, died of starvation, while fainted 09:55 aosdict said: hothraxxa: Hmm. I don't think a corridor being filled with webs is necessarily the problem... the problem is that the hero can't really do anything to get rid of them. 09:55 the problem isn't that the corridor is full of webs, that's expected 09:56 the problem is that to move with paranoid_confirmation takes two confirmations 09:57 this seems to be due to the sequence of checks 09:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] MiseryMyra (Val Hum Fem Law), 332 points, T:789, killed by a wand 09:59 Accidentally broke down a locked shop door :c 10:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] MiseryMyra (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:1249 10:11 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 10:15 [hdf-us] [nd] ORC (Ran Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3434 10:24 [hdf-us] [nd] ORC (Ran Orc Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 35 arrows on an altar, on T:3873 10:28 Holy crap 10:28 It is too hot 10:29 to be alive 10:29 IT's hotter here than in california 10:30 Also my cat has absolutely no idea what the rotating fan is and is entranced by it :D 10:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] MiseryMyra (Val Hum Fem Law), 2315 points, T:2767, killed by a bolt of fire 10:34 I'm having bad luck this morning 10:35 hothraxxa: Oh, I see the problem. 10:36 I thought the annoyance was "I have to paranoid confirm my way down the entire hall 10:36 no i expect that 10:37 this is a 3.6.1 problem i'd think 10:37 3.6.1 doesn't have paranoid trap. 10:37 no? i've only plyed it once, by accident 10:37 the problem also exists when trying to move from a pit into a web 10:38 aosdict: but also a way to cut through webs would be nice 10:38 or when trying to move from any other kind of trap that holds you in place 10:38 bear traps etc 10:44 Anyone think this would be a particularly terrible idea for a branch-overview? https://i.imgur.com/VEyNgh2.png 10:46 It's a little hard to tell visually which floor the description corresponds to 10:48 Good call 10:48 * mcw adjusts 10:51 https://i.imgur.com/GJbFxYK.png any better? 10:53 I fucked up the perspective, lemme reattempt 10:54 https://i.imgur.com/WVWWH8q.png there we go 10:57 FIQ: with multiline message window, if you have >=2 lines, is there any message that will overflow? 10:57 (single message) 11:06 mcw: I still think it's a little hard to read because the level numbers are on a completely different line than the descriptions 11:07 MiseryMyra: aah I see what you mean, yeah they should be on the right, with the current selected level highlighted 11:07 * mcw agrees 11:08 Trying to test message buffer at the moment 11:08 What would generate the most combat spam do you think? 11:08 Other man 'flayers 11:10 Getting paralyzed by a floating eyeball while there's something else to fight you? 11:10 That doesn't force a --more-- does it? I forget. 11:10 Who hits many and fast? 11:11 marilith? 11:11 Also, being in a crowded area with conflict generates a lot of spam 11:12 Hmm, not sure if this is a nh4 bug, but if you generate combat spam, you get a condensed message view 11:12 then you press ctrl-p 11:12 then esc 11:12 now the message view is uncondensed 11:21 mcw: yes 11:21 monsters and objects can be named 11:22 FIQ: I am trying to get a name long enough 11:22 Ah name the object AND the monsters 11:24 PS FIQ fix not being able to use readline keys in nh4 prompts! 11:25 Ctrl-W/Ctrl-U/Ctrl-K etc 11:26 FIQ: weird... https://i.imgur.com/IbbyoGY.png 11:27 Do you know what's happening there? 11:27 mcw: I took one look at NH4 getlin and ran awy in terror 11:27 For this very reason actually 11:27 Oh for some reason I thought you wrote it! 11:28 Sorry :D 11:28 I see that you hold my coding in high regard 11:28 I thought we loved the nh4 codebasE? 11:28 I wrote the new NH3curses UI getlin 11:28 mcw: the engine code yes 11:29 most of the windowport s daniel_t and ais523 11:29 daniel makes insane code 11:29 Ahhh 11:29 So is fiqhack nh4 or nh3 curses? 11:29 and I have a hardtime with ais code in general 11:29 nh4 11:29 That's why I was confused! I thought it was, but then you did nh3 curses, so 11:30 I did not 11:30 I did somerefactors in it 11:30 and added some features 11:30 but mostly the code s someone else's 11:30 I have a nh3 curses refactor on todo 11:31 Aha, so I want to use nh4 interface style (multiline message + awesome scrollback) but not nh4 code? 11:31 the inventory sidebar 11:31 and stus bar code 11:31 in nh3 curses 11:31 is mine 11:32 The only reason I don't do the inventory sidebar (but I'll add an option for it because I know a ton of people like it) is that I play with a huge terminal 11:32 mcw: more or less 11:32 So the dungeon takes up almost the full width 11:32 ...that is its entire purpose 11:32 FIQ: gotcha 11:33 huge terminal as in massive font 11:33 I think I play at size 40 11:33 to give somje space for useful stuff 11:33 oh 11:33 right 11:33 But yes, if I played at a smaller font there would be tons of room for side bar 11:33 but you should keep it enabled... 11:33 it will only enale it if it can 11:34 It *just* enables but only gives itself abou 12cols (maybe 20ish) 11:35 I guess it's just the threshold it enables at 11:35 which I'm sure is configurable! 11:35 But yeah I will add that feature probably by stealing nh3 version 11:35 not the treshold 11:35 but you can just set itto on, auto or off"on 11:36 If I had a bigger monitor I'd enable it 11:36 "on" has a minimal threshold 11:36 * mcw is a peasant 11:36 auto wants 30 or so 11:37 mcw: NH3 windowport api hasissues I have experienced first hand 11:37 It's on auto but only has 11:37 err 11:37 its perm invent api is dumb 11:37 "a - a blessed +1 club (weapon i" that much space 11:37 I have to jump through hoops to make it behave like what Iwant 11:37 FIQ: I'll probably do a half-port-steal-mangle of the code 11:37 in that case 11:38 but I don't mind yet, message window is important for testing, pretty other stuff eh 11:38 [hdf-us] [slex] Ssach (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 218 points, T:398, killed by a monster (wereghost) 11:38 depending on the order functions are called, I know that I need to update the sidebar 11:38 or show a proper inv window 11:38 LarienTelrunya: YASI: A Werewere, you randomly turn into a different were* every 100 turns. 11:39 mcw: exists as nasty trap in slex 11:39