00:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] DrakeMarshall (Nob Elf Fem Cha), 856 points, T:1358, killed by a water demon 01:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] DrakeMarshall (Ana Inc Fem Cha), 4232 points, T:1927, killed by a gnome lord 01:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bar Hlf Fem Neu), 1201 points, T:2059, killed by a goblin, while fainted from lack of food 01:39 [hdf-us] [nh4] MiseryMyra (Val Hum Fem Law), 46308 points, T:3275, killed by a black unicorn 01:43 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:48 [hdf-us] [fh] Kyner (DrakeMarshall) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 10099 points, T:288, escaped 01:52 Mandevil: how is the "duration" for games on the scoreboard measured? i.e. for Tariru's slexcension it says "4, 19:42:29" - huh? 01:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Inc Fem Non), 167 points, T:468, killed by a jackal 02:03 LarienTelrunya: It's taken from the 'duration' field in xlogfile. 02:03 oh, that field actually works? does that mean the real time for Tariru's run was 4 days, 19:42 hours, or a total of just below 116 hours? sounds rather little for such a long game... 02:04 also, thanks for setting scoreboard up for slex :) 02:04 I don't know for SLEX, but for other variant it works, yes. 02:05 so my 5-conduct cavewoman was less than 48 hours real time... seems *very* little to me, but I guess it just feels like it would have been a lot more 02:15 -!- deadnoob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Inc Fem Non), 636 points, T:974, killed by a bolt of lightning 02:24 FIQ: how is the piety mechanic only a "minor" rework of altar sacrificing? I'd consider it pretty major :D 02:31 !tell Chris_ANG check_reseed() in rnd.c opens /dev/urandom and then calls fclose(fptr) even if opening the file failed for some reason, which results in a segfault when trying to run it on windows because /dev/urandom doesn't exist there. 02:31 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] DrakeMarshall (Nob Elf Fem Cha), 187 points, T:171, killed by a water demon 02:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Inc Fem Non), 79 points, T:120, killed by a water demon 02:41 -!- DrakeMarshall has quit [Quit: *poof*] 02:46 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 03:09 LarienTelrunya: it only changed a small aspect of sacfesting 03:10 oh really? so it doesn't affect praying or other god-related stuff? 03:11 correct 03:11 t does changeprying a bit 03:12 yo now need 15k piety to be crowned 03:12 but it is guranteed 03:14 wait, you said something like "negative piety means the god is angry", does that mean it gets set to a negative value if you pray while the timeout is too high? 03:15 yes 03:15 bt fixing angersesier 03:16 heh, I had an EPI that every point of divine anger adds 1 to the minimum level a corpse must have to mollify the god, but that would make it impossible to mollify them when they're extremely angry :D 03:16 (of course, the evil patch wouldn't care anyway... hmmmmmm... maybe I implement that in evil variant mode in slex :P) 03:17 btw, https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/commit/68ed53cad50b9a92df95643e59b99545b9453f38 - here's hoping that will work 03:19 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:48 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 05:12 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 05:21 <@Khor> Is so confusing to bind spirits 😐 05:33 -!- mcw has joined #hardfought 05:33 o/ 05:38 hi, tubs in disguise! ;) 05:38 Hi AmyBSOD in disguise! 05:38 :D 05:38 How's your RNG fun going? 05:38 what happened to your dnhslex char? 05:39 well I did update the slex rng to the dnh one that should be crypto-secure, but it doesn't work on windows of course :( because /dev/urandom doesn't exist there 05:45 I think it dieded 05:46 LarienTelrunya: be naughty on windows and wrap the c++ std::random_device 05:46 *go go go* 05:46 It is only naughty if you hate c++ though! 05:47 heh 05:48 I've also found that the dNAO code will segfault on windows, because it just assumes that the /dev/urandom file had loaded successfully. So when it tries to close the file, it crashes. 05:49 :D 05:50 std::random_device is guaranteed to be cs and cross platform ;) 05:50 but slex is written in c, not c++! 05:51 YASI: to deter players who exploit non-cryptographically-secure RNGs, every time they exploit it the game will broadcast a mocking message to the IRC channel. (Yes, there's no feasible way to make the game detect such an action, hence YASI.) 05:53 Why does everyone hate c++? :( 05:53 well I never learned c++; in fact, I don't really know c either, since I learned it by working with the nethack source code 05:54 i.e. the trial and error method :P 05:54 (mostly error at first, be glad you didn't experience the early days of slex when it would crash if you look at it funny) 05:54 Wait, LarienTelrunya you use libraries etc? 05:55 mcw: uhh, not really, apart from the ones that regular slashem uses too (no idea which ones they are :D) 05:56 apparently signal.h is one that can be used 05:57 I was going to say, it wouldn't be too hard to just write a librng with a clean C-api that was cross-platform and secure. 06:13 https://i.imgur.com/uBvovhJ.png lighting works :D :D 06:14 oh, is that tubhack? 06:15 yarrr 06:15 looks a bit like dnethack 06:15 will it be a dnethack variant? 06:16 No, it's from-scratch x 06:16 :x 06:16 Because I am a terrible person 06:17 "from scratch"?! you mean it's not a nethack variant at all but a standalone game? 06:18 Well, spritual and mechanical variant 06:19 It should behave almost identically to people familiar with nh and its varints 06:19 variants 06:19 If it doesn't I will fix it! 06:19 yeah but did you use some version of vanilla nethack as a base or do you have to create movement code and everything by hand? 06:19 Everything by hand, but I'm trying to port over stuff. 06:20 whoa that sounds like a huge amount of work 06:20 Yes but it's fun!! 06:20 Now I need to go pick up a chicken from my brother-in-law though, back in an hour for more tubhack hackery. 06:20 heh, yeah, it probably is if you have the programming skills to pull it off; I unfortunately don't, all I can do is to build on existing games 06:20 ah, see you later! 06:33 -!- FIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:38 -!- FIQ has joined #hardfought 06:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o FIQ] by ChanServ 06:43 mcw: you should use libuncursed for the API btw 06:44 it should work somewhat similar to curses (which is nice because it means you can reuse curses knowledge, and bad because the curses AI is kinda shitty) but ensures as good terminal compat as possible 06:45 btw if you found out the exact issue with color initialization, I'm sure ais523 is interested in knowing it 06:45 LarienTelrunya: how does that look like dnethack? 06:46 it's literally the same as in all other nethack variants 06:46 with cursesgraphics enabled 06:46 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:46 really? I usually see that dark blue only in dnethack and maybe grunthack 06:46 then you have a shitty rc setup 06:47 and didn't bother enabling darkgray 06:47 or you deliberately configured corridors to be blue 06:47 Bad syntax in OPTIONS in /dgldir/userdata/BSOD2/dnhslex/BSOD2.dnethackrc: darkgray. 06:47 hmm 06:48 use_darkgray 06:48 gah why does my test char have to be a convict, now I'll die before I can make it to the first corridor :( 06:49 hey cool it works! thanks! the black rat is actually black now! 06:50 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 06:50 !tell Chris_ANG awwwwwwww the encyclopedia has no information about stilettos :( 06:50 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 06:50 FIQ: I am using libuncursed :) 06:50 hi other mcw 06:50 Sorry, at Google lobby waiting for b-i-l 06:50 LarienTelrunya: pretty sure the encyclopedia is basically all vanilla 06:50 But he's running late, so was browsing irclog :) 06:50 ah 06:51 LarienTelrunya: I am actually using COLOR_BLUE because I haven't decided on nice colours, I'm 100% going to be stealing the concept of colour palettes from fiq etc 06:52 presumably blue would remain blue in all pallets 06:52 just... different blues :P 06:52 FIQ: I will try to fix the init_pair at some point, I think it's just an off-by-one error when it reinitiliazes the newly allocated colours. 06:53 FIQ: the encyclopedia of dnethack has an entry for "elder priest" which I'm pretty sure doesn't exist in vanilla :P 06:55 also why is he called elder priest, in "Fungi of Yuggoth" he's called elder pharos 06:55 ask Chris_ANG 06:59 -!- tubs has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:01 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 07:06 -!- tubs has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:12 <@Khor> >Notice I'm lvl 3 >Decide to bind a second spirit >See this list >Cold sweat 07:12 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/434309867029921792/unknown.png 07:12 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:20 !tell tubs Best of luck with reimplementing everything from scratch. Are you planning to reimplement all the TDTTOE-ish cases that many players consider an essential part of NetHack? 07:20 Will do, aosdict! 07:21 FIQ: I spent a while yesterday beginning to condense stuff into the real actual religion proposal 07:22 it was surprising how many components of it could be put off as not being necessary right now 07:23 Still a bunch more complicated than yours, but even so. Didn't need to include things like Luck overhaul/removal, alignment differentiation, or stuff like that. 07:36 <@Khor> Hm. This is weird 07:36 <@Khor> is fainting broken on dnh? 07:36 <@Khor> wait 07:36 <@Khor> am I moving while fainted 07:36 <@Khor> xD 07:36 <@Khor> Something's fucky 07:37 aosdict: atm I am working on a function to make monsters strategically choose where to summon their stuff 07:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Khor (Bin Dwa Mal Non), 1575 points, T:2662, died of starvation 07:38 <@Khor> I'm pretty sure there was a bug in that game 07:40 @Khor what was the bug 07:40 <@Khor> I started fainting from not having food to eat 07:40 <@Khor> but I started being able to move while fainted 07:40 ah 07:40 yeah dnethack does that sometimes with helpless timers overriding each other 07:41 it can make you end up never fainting again 07:41 (it's a bug) 07:41 <@Khor> It did, unluckily I died anyway from lack of food. :feels: 07:48 aosdict: The ones that make sense, yes, like I say I'm transcribing a lot of things directly from the nh source. 07:49 there 07:49 I think this works well for determining how to strategically place monsters using create monster 07:56 -!- FIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:59 -!- FIQ has joined #hardfought 07:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o FIQ] by ChanServ 07:59 http://home.fiq.se/create_monster_ai.txt if anyone is interested in details 07:59 <[Demo]> add taunts 08:00 taunts? 08:00 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 <[Demo]> voluntary artificial increase of hostility score 08:01 hmm 08:01 no 08:01 FIQ: so if you were surrounded by a square ring of radius 2 of monsters but not directly adjacent to any of them, those all still count towards hostility score? 08:02 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 08:02 <@FIQ> yes that is the idea 08:02 <@FIQ> something is wrong with my VPS connection 08:02 Why do tame monsters hurt hostility score? 08:02 <@FIQ> I explained why 08:02 <@FIQ> So that I can use it for master teleportation too 08:03 I don't understand whether you mean tame to the summoner or tame to the target. 08:03 <@FIQ> Tame monsters counting shouldn't have any problematic impact on this algoritm for the purpose of create monster 08:03 <@FIQ> Tame as in, tame to the target 08:05 -!- FIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:06 <@FIQ> aosdict: when I say tame/hostile there, i mean tame/hostile demeanor for the target 08:06 <@FIQ> i.e. a tame dog is tame to the player but hostile to that one hostile hill orc 08:06 -!- FIQ has joined #hardfought 08:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o FIQ] by ChanServ 08:06 <[Demo]> make the tame monsters ride ur tame horses and have mridem 08:07 <[Demo]> like brass 08:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 5131 points, T:4726, killed by a rope golem 08:07 <@FIQ> I intend to do that eventually 08:07 Friday 13th really is unlucky 08:08 !lotg Friday the 13th 08:08 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, Friday the 13th! 08:09 [Demo]: Make tame monsters ride *you* 08:09 Parrot on shoulder! 08:11 -!- FIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:13 <@FIQ> http://home.fiq.se/log.txt 08:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] Khor (Bin Bat Fem Non), 119 points, T:98, killed by a giant bat called the fur elemental 08:18 <@Khor> wait what 08:18 <@Khor> my pet killed me in dlvl 1? 08:18 <@Khor> the fuck 08:18 <@FIQ> evil pet 08:20 <@FIQ> aosdict: assuming the algoritm is working as described, the situation you put forth would result in the monster summoning something on a diagonal 08:20 <@FIQ> which I think is indeed the correct solution 08:35 Hmm, should the Arc grave digging penalty be outright negative? It's a bit weird how it doesn't matter if you're neutral and is actually a good thing if you're chaotic. 08:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] Khor (Bin Bat Fem Non), 341 points, T:722, killed by a coyote 08:53 how do I escape from this hell? 08:53 Seriously 08:53 Should I just quit? 08:54 the hell of rebuilding nethack from scratch? 08:55 No, look at my screen :( 08:55 On dnh on hardfought eu 08:55 oh, I escapeda little bit, but they are coming after me again 08:55 The Ks 08:55 you're getting attacked by the Ku Klux Klan! 08:56 Yes 08:57 But I don't think I can ever ever get rid of them now... 08:57 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha) received advice from The Oracle, on T:5663 09:01 Ok, pets 09:11 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13 MAKE THE K STOP PLEASE 09:14 khoR are you in the united states now? or north america? 09:25 aosdict: what do you think of the 3.6 move randomising mechanic? 09:25 mmove* 09:25 I don't know too much about it 09:26 I know it occasionally gives mons extra movement points as an anti-kiting nerf 09:26 Pretty much that 09:26 Wondered what people thought of it, means you can't lhlhlhlhlhlhlhlhl dwarves 09:27 I think in 3.6.0's version, it was unpopular because it made the player objectively slower than speed 12 monsters. 09:28 Meaning, jackals you're running from will never catch up to you. 09:28 I think 3.6.1 fixed that but I don't know how 09:28 s/never/always 09:29 It only gives them more moves if they already have some left over 09:30 So at 12 a jackal will not get bonus 09:30 Sometimes it can steal moves, though usually gives 09:31 [hdf-us] [slex] Cairn (Aci Alc Mal Cha), 12492 points, T:2822, killed by a sucking tentacle attack 09:38 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 t-shirt of reflection", on T:6999 09:38 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 speed boots", on T:7007 09:40 !tell FIQ I've read _deliberately obfuscated_ Perl code that was easier to read than some of the C code in the NetHack source tree. 09:40 Will do, jonadab! 09:40 That's because you're used to Perl. 09:40 I'm sure I would still find the nethack code easier to read in this case. 09:43 Well, in fairness, I've also seen non-deliberately-obfuscated Perl code that I couldn't comprehend at all. Namely, aimake. 09:51 <@FIQ> @jonadab no nethack C code is more confusing than aimake 09:51 @FIQ: Message from jonadab at 2018-04-13 09:40 EDT: I've read _deliberately obfuscated_ Perl code that was easier to read than some of the C code in the NetHack source tree. 09:52 <@FIQ> my VPS is still down huh 09:52 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 09:55 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha) killed the ghost of Flan, the former Skirmisher, on T:8098 09:56 -!- tubs has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:57 Don't mention aimake, *he* might be summoned. 09:57 And will Share with us Perls of His wisdom. 09:57 Some of the nh3 code is easier to read than some of the nh4 code :x 09:57 I stress the some. 09:57 @FIQ aimake is a pathological case. As the old saying goes, "You can write Fortran in any language" 09:58 Bear in mind, the guy who wrote aimake is also co-maintainer of C-Intercal. 09:59 Intercal is my first and only true love. 09:59 <@FIQ> mcw: some of the display code perhaps 09:59 <@FIQ> I had trouble making sense of the NH4 display code 09:59 <@FIQ> oh, and the nitrohack bits are good fun 09:59 <@FIQ> for a good time: nethack/src/menu.c in NH4 09:59 jonadab: With Eric S. Raymond? 09:59 (that's who Wikipedia lists as the maintainer of C-Intercal) 10:06 aosdict: Yes. 10:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Bin Orc Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3491 10:12 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:14 -!- FIQ has joined #hardfought 10:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o FIQ] by ChanServ 10:15 * aosdict zaps a wand of undead turning at FIQ's VPS 10:17 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:9209 10:19 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 3014 points, T:4207, killed by a Mordor orc 10:21 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) defeated Medusa, on T:23442 10:22 I intendhi 10:22 -I intend 10:23 it's true 10:23 <@mtf> "I intend hi!" 10:23 friday the 13th does bring unluck :P 10:23 @mtf I was writing something else by the time the VPS disconnected 10:23 gandhi's forgotten brother, intendhi 10:23 I don't remember what lol 10:23 <@mtf> hehe 10:24 <@mtf> if you want to really challenge yourself roguelike-wise today, start an ADOM game 10:24 <@mtf> it's friday the 13th, so you start cursed 10:24 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha) killed the rogue of Winsometimes, the former Rogue, on T:9666 10:24 nethack does this too 10:24 <@mtf> lol, nah 10:24 you start with negative luck 10:24 <@mtf> nethack gives you -1 luck or whatever 10:24 <@mtf> cursed is waaaaaay worse 10:25 bunch of people on #nethack are complaining about prayer not working and stuff 10:25 <@mtf> hahah 10:25 <@mtf> that's fantastic 10:25 well, they were. Not right now. 10:29 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 60933 points, T:10029, killed by a leocrotta 10:29 Actually, yes right now. 10:30 [hdf-us] [nd] MiseryMyra (Val Hum Fem Law), 2533 points, T:4929, killed by an Uruk-hai 10:30 I hate nymphs 10:33 @mtf I think cursed and -1 base luck is about as bad 10:33 -1 base luck means you can't pray realibly at all 10:50 <@mtf> FIQ: nah, it's really not even close 10:50 <@mtf> http://ancardia.wikia.com/wiki/Cursed_(intrinsic) 10:51 <@mtf> I think it'd be more comparable to like -5 luck or whatever 10:52 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Wiz Ang Mal Law), 47157 points, T:5291, quit 11:06 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Wiz Ang Mal Law) killed Mr. Prosser, on T:330 11:08 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Wiz Ang Mal Law) killed Zaphod Breeblebrox, on T:354 11:09 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Wiz Ang Mal Law) killed Ford Perfect, on T:371 11:12 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Wiz Ang Mal Law), 4462 points, T:433, killed by a monster (Ravenous Bugblatter Beast Of Traal) 11:13 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:14 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 11:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:50 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 11:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 12:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Bin Orc Fem Non), 12507 points, T:6028, killed by a mumak 12:18 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:30 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:07 [hdf-us] [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (mind flayer), on T:12034 13:10 <[Demo]> somehow going to a level after it was destroyed when entering planes only threw one impossible and didnt even panic or anything 13:10 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:16 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:33 <@rikersan> !tell LarienTelrunya yes I will play slex later don't bother asking me 13:33 Will do, @rikersan! 13:33 <@rikersan> !tell LarienTelrunya may be a bit I'm taking a red-eye flight tonight so we'll see when I get around to it 13:33 Will do, @rikersan! 13:33 <@rikersan> !tell LarienTelrunya friday the 13th ftw 13:33 Will do, @rikersan! 13:34 hi rikersan ♥ I'm LPing dnhslex right now, also because of friday the 13th, will post it in my Let's Play SLEX thread later 13:34 LarienTelrunya: Message from @rikersan at 2018-04-13 13:33 EDT: yes I will play slex later don't bother asking me 13:34 LarienTelrunya: Message from @rikersan at 2018-04-13 13:33 EDT: may be a bit I'm taking a red-eye flight tonight so we'll see when I get around to it 13:34 LarienTelrunya: Message from @rikersan at 2018-04-13 13:33 EDT: friday the 13th ftw 13:35 also, will you be in the chat for a while? I might have to ask for help on how to play the clockwork automaton; for starters, how do I wind myself? give the key to my cat and then chat to it? 13:36 There really needs to be a Beholder command that discord users can use to see if someone's in the channel. 13:38 damn I need help from the dnethack gods... [Demo]: how do I wind myself as a clockwork? can the cat do it somehow? the wiki isn't very helpful :( 13:38 or maybe I should ping Demo_ instead 13:38 You need to get someone les to wind you 13:38 Else 13:39 Shopkeeper, tinker gnome, quest buddies, etc 13:39 Yes, but the question is if that someone else can also be the cat? I guess it must be something that has hands? 13:39 An intelligent pet (with hands) wiill work 13:39 God I can't spell right now 13:39 and how do you get them to do it? #chat? 13:39 Yeah 13:40 while I have the key in my inventory, or do I have to give the key to them? 13:40 Key in open inv 13:40 okay 13:40 A good early wish for a clockwork is a figurine of some angelic being 13:40 okay so the cat apparently cannot do it 13:40 Not intelligent, no hands 13:40 "Katzenhund purrs." 13:41 Try a peaceful tinker gnome or something 13:41 lol "right-grasping digit", the body part names are funny 13:41 They'll charge you for it though 13:41 well I just started out, no peacefuls yet :D 13:41 Ah 13:42 will potions of oil also do something special for me? 13:42 (just found one) 13:44 actually, make that two potions of oil since I found another in the next room 13:50 not unless it is hash oil 13:50 -!- mcw has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:52 lol 13:52 <@Winsalot> oh god.. 13:52 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/434410582003941396/Screenshot_2018-04-13_20-52-14.png 13:53 Winsalot: the finder of that bones level will be very pleased! :D 13:53 <@Winsalot> Im pretty sure I have nothing valuable 13:53 <@Winsalot> except for another cursed genocide scroll 😃 13:53 <@Winsalot> can Minetown leave bones? 13:54 <@kritixilithos> did you not try the altar >_> 13:55 unless FIQhack pulled the fourk change where certain special levels can only leave bones if you turned on some specific action, it will be eligible 13:55 *option 13:56 <@Winsalot> I have already ascended once, which means that I'm too good to BUC-test my items 😃 13:59 <@Winsalot> Ok, I survived that by engraving E-word with wand of striking. But now I will ahve to pass through that place again if I want to return to the main dungeon lul 14:00 [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:33966 14:01 <@kritixilithos> minotaurs in fiqhack respect elbereth? 14:03 <@mtf> They do 14:03 [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:33984 14:03 wtf @ the cost of winding up the clockwork automaton's mainspring at a shop in dnethack 14:03 racist shopkeeper bastard demands a whole zorkmid for every measly turn of winding!!! 14:04 by comparison, food rations for normal races are 45 zorkmids and last for 800 turns! 14:04 [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class D), on T:34013 14:05 [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:34015 14:05 [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:34016 14:05 somehow I don't get it, I had the shopkeeper wind me for 100 turns and now I'm overwound for some reason... Tarmunora: is 1 turn of winding not the same as 1 point of nutrition? 14:06 [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:34018 14:06 [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class R, on T:34019 14:06 Correct 14:06 It's somewhere between 10 to 1 and 100 to 1 14:06 <@Winsalot> phew, teleport trap got me out of the mines :). Won't be coming there anytime soon 😃 14:06 I haven't played clockwork since that got changed 14:07 ah, thanks, so I wouldn't have had to get wound for so many turns I guess 14:07 [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided wraith, on T:34023 14:08 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:09 FIQ: Why does the genocide scroll say "You have found a scroll of genocide! [geno prompts and messages] It must be a scroll of genocide." 14:10 aosdict: Side effect of the way I print that message 14:10 <@Winsalot> Speaking about my screenshot? 14:10 [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:34054 14:10 <@Winsalot> It was unidentified 14:10 @Winsalot Even so, "You have found a scroll of genocide!" should be sufficiently unambiguous 14:10 [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:34054 14:11 <@Winsalot> Oh, it say that 2 times 14:11 <@Winsalot> I think it's fine though. At least for me 14:11 !tell K2 pushed a fix 14:11 Will do, FIQ! 14:12 nice, fixed within 90 seconds 14:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Nob Vam Mal Cha), 7251 points, T:3172, died of starvation 14:13 <@Winsalot> That's why I promote FIQhack whenever I get the chance 😃 14:15 hi 14:15 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 14:15 K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-04-13 14:11 EDT: pushed a fix 14:16 FIQhack updated (us and eu) 14:16 <@Winsalot> I think this secures my future as a melee fighter 😃 14:17 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/434416721823006730/Screenshot_2018-04-13_21-16-27.png 14:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Nob Vam Mal Cha), 248 points, T:592, killed by Ms. Kalecik, the shopkeeper 14:17 hah 14:17 no gain ability for you 14:17 rip 14:18 <@Winsalot> 18 str, 18 dex, 18 const. tough and basically retarded 😃 14:18 <@Winsalot> wait? 14:18 at least you don't have to care about int drain anymore 14:18 <@Winsalot> I can't gain intristoics now? 14:18 gain ability is a potion that gives you attributes 14:18 since you have intrinsic sustain ability, the potion will not work 14:18 <@Winsalot> oh 14:18 however, neither will any kind of attribute loss 14:18 <@Winsalot> So it's rip then 14:19 from poison, int drain, satiated, etc 14:19 <@Winsalot> does level loss still work? 14:19 so I guess there's a silver lining :P 14:19 yes 14:19 <@Winsalot> level drain I mean 14:19 only your attributes are affected 14:19 <@Winsalot> Patch pls 😃 14:19 they will not change 14:19 ever 14:19 except from stuff like GoP and other extrinsic attribute-changing items 14:19 hah, quaffed wonder and got fixed abilities? 14:19 aosdict: yeah 14:19 <@Winsalot> I mean, it kinda suck, but it's also kinda nice. 14:20 yeah, sustain ability is double-edged 14:20 <@Winsalot> Will be interesting game, nuless I die in the next 500 turns 14:20 would have been a decent trinsic after you had maxed out your attributes 14:20 as for now, it's kinda eh 14:20 heh :P 14:21 <@Winsalot> I'm ashamed of myself 14:21 <@Winsalot> sorry 14:21 <@Winsalot> I just dont know 14:22 "unless I die in the next 500 turns" 14:22 prophetic 14:22 <@Winsalot> I know myself quite well 14:22 <@Winsalot> After I ascended, I feel overconfident 14:23 <@Winsalot> and the game keeps showing me my place 14:28 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 14:29 -!- mpt| has joined #hardfought 14:29 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] Flan99 (Nob Vam Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1305 14:32 YANI: #chatting to certain monsters (perhaps a fraction of any speech-capable monsters) gives you a random rumor. (The rumor is always the same for the same monster.) 14:32 They should probably have to be peaceful. 14:36 @Winsalot The list of bones-eligible special levels in vanilla includes Delphi, Minetown, Mine's End, Valley of the Dead, some of the demon lairs, and the middle levels of both Towers, IIRC. 14:37 jonadab: Any reason why the bottom floor of the towers isn't? 14:37 Even weirder, non-special levels are nontheless ineligible, for technical reasons, if they are the first level of a branch, or, more understandably, if they contain a branch entrance. 14:37 aosdict: ^ 14:37 First level of a branch can't be, for technical reasons. 14:37 I want to fix that, but I haven't gotten around figuring out how. 14:38