00:23 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 00:27 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:42 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:45 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 00:52 <@mtf> well? did tariru beat slex? 00:56 Yes 00:56 !asc Tariru 00:56 aosdict: Tariru has ascended 1 times in 1 games (100.00%): slex:1 (100.00%) 01:06 <@Jendic> Tariru is the official GOAT now. 01:12 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 01:28 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 01:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 01:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 208 points, T:699, killed by a coyote 02:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 35 points, T:231, killed by a sewer rat 02:02 wow 02:09 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:13 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 588 points, T:1573, killed by a watchman 02:18 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:27 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:29 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 02:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:48 !tell K2 I'm just seeing something weird: on the watch menu, Grasshopper appears twice, with the games being listed as "xnh" and "xnh011", which both lead to the same game when selecting them 02:48 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:48 LarienTelrunya, sorry I just saved, got to do some washing! 02:49 haha, no problem, I just wanted to report the watch menu quirk ;) 02:49 was just noticing more starting spellbooks and a changed spellcasting system in xnh 02:58 because my wiz has only 16 intelligence, he can't even cast a single force bolt 02:58 not enough pw 02:59 wtf 02:59 that... doesn't seem right to me 03:01 well, I jusst fell into a pit and, on climbing out, got hit by a poisoned dart 03:01 from a dart trap 03:01 but amazingly I am not dead yet 03:01 HP:2(12) 03:01 wow :) already wanted to say DYWYPI 03:07 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 03:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 03:13 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:16 I think I've just found the tiniest armour shop ever 03:16 2x3 room with just 3 items in it 03:16 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:22 got some +0 leather and a cloak of displacement 03:22 is the latter ever useful when you have a MR cloak? 03:23 nope, unless I find myself against mundane monsters maybe 03:23 my pet stole it for me, so hey I liked the price 03:24 :D 03:28 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:34 Went up a level, now I can cast a spell! 03:34 yay! 03:39 might go try out a force bolt on those pesky G's and d's in the mines 03:51 !tell K2 I've figured out why that astral plane crash was happening: slex tried to make a player monster with a rank title that was too long. I'll try to devise a fix. 03:51 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 03:54 !tell K2 apparently it tried to copy a name that was 36 characters long, but which was erroneously stored in a buffer that can only hold 32 characters, to a new buffer that can hold 64 characters! no wonder we were getting a buffer overrun 03:54 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 03:55 also, hooray for having gdb :) 04:03 -!- hpardis has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:13 !tell K2 bugfix commits ready at slex-2.1.7 branch again. This should fix the error where entering the astral plane sometimes crashes the game, and I also tried another time to fix the issue where recover doesn't completely recover savegames. Sorry for all the bugs! But I'm trying to hunt them all down :) 04:13 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 04:16 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 04:19 <@Khor> xNetHack? :ThinkStare: 04:21 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:23 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 04:57 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:47 -!- mcw has joined #hardfought 05:47 Aloha and good morning all! 05:49 mcw: how come you're not called tubs anymore? 05:50 LarienTelrunya: oops, on my Windows PC my username is mcw 05:50 Actually, maybe it is on my Mac too - it depends if I connect via irssi or the web thing! 05:50 -!- mcw is now known as tubs 05:51 * tubs is tubby again 05:51 :) 05:51 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:54 LarienTelrunya: Are you thinking of new ways to make slex more harder again? :) 05:54 English me good at 05:54 hahaha :D actually I'm planning to do some more stuff and then push the new savebreaking version, which will then stay save-stable until after Junethack 05:55 LarienTelrunya: oh yeah , I got a crash again on Mac, and I captured it in lldb 05:55 gah 05:55 Note: I was on 2.2 05:55 * LarienTelrunya really has enough of that segfaulting crap 05:56 is there a backtrace or something else that may help me figure out how it happened? 05:56 yeah 05:56 just running laptop now :) 05:57 do you remember what you were doing just before the crash? 05:57 <[Demo]> have we figured out why astral crashed? 05:57 It was on save 05:57 I was just bashing stuff with my 2h axe 05:57 [Demo]: yeah, we did 05:57 <[Demo]> i just woke upp and am so tired lemme try to read 05:57 oh ffffffs it aborted lldb when laptop went to sleep ._. 05:57 tubs: on save??? you mean you tried to save and it crashed mid-saving? 05:58 Yeah 05:58 well shiiiiit 05:58 I thought the days where the savegame error happened were a thing of the past 05:58 But bear in mind this is Mac + 2.2 05:58 how far in the game were you? 05:58 <@kritixilithos> FIQ: reads the transcript ppcg is code golf stack exchange 05:59 ah 05:59 what does pp stand for 05:59 LarienTelrunya: about dlevel 8 05:59 <@kritixilithos> ppcg = programming puzzles and code golf 05:59 ahh 05:59 LarienTelrunya: the message I got on save was: 05:59 <@kritixilithos> I met riker there 05:59 05:59 THIS IS A FATAL BUG. DO NOT TRY TO SAVE THE GAME, OR YOUR SAVEGAME FILE MAY BE 05:59 CORRUPTED. On a public server the problem can sometimes be solved by using a 05:59 staircase to return to a previously visited level. If nothing works, please contact 05:59 the admins. --Amy--More-- 05:59 So then I tried to use a staircase, but it aborted saying it couldn't find the level. 06:00 <[Demo]> why did tariru get sent to a black and white lvl 0? 06:00 that sounds as if something removed the level files?! 06:00 LarienTelrunya: I've never seen any issues on my windows or linux machines 06:00 [Demo]: same reason as tubs' problem, actually; a level file was missing for some reason 06:00 <[Demo]> and thats a failsafe? 06:00 in the case of Tariru that should be fixed with the recover.c update I pushed a few hours ago 06:00 LarienTelrunya: yeah, the weirdest thing was recovery failed, so I deleted the old game, then it found the save under that name anyway, and tried to load it. 06:01 Which worked until I either saved or used a staircase. 06:01 <[Demo]> is the going to the planes deleting level files a slex only thing? 06:01 tubs: have you tried to run 2.2.0 on win/linux? 06:01 [Demo]: I think all variants and also vanilla do that 06:02 <[Demo]> ok so having a branch after the planes is dumb 06:02 * LarienTelrunya really hopes she didn't create new fatal bugs in 2.2.0 06:03 LarienTelrunya: yeah, didn't play it a huge amount but didn't see anything nasty 06:03 so that "fatal bug" message never cropped up there? 06:04 <[Demo]> hmmm 06:04 <[Demo]> so it doesnt like to recover after deleting the levels because of an xchar issue? 06:05 [Demo]: not quite, but similar; apparently our fiddling around and the 256 limitation in recover.c caused the plane of air level to be no longer there, so the game couldn't find it and spazzed out 06:05 now with the 256 limitation removed, this should no longer happen as soon as hdf is updated 06:06 <[Demo]> weird 06:06 <[Demo]> trying to reproduce in ndnh 06:06 <[Demo]> would i need to visit a fuck ton of levels? 06:06 bear in mind that ndnh has different level index numbers and may not even have more than 256 in any given game 06:07 <[Demo]> oh, xchars are signed? 06:07 the weirdest part is that the recovery actually "works" (kinda-sorta) locally, even with the 256 limitation in place, because it leaves the 257+ index levels in the playground where the game will find them again 06:07 LarienTelrunya: correct, never seen that fatal bug before 06:08 tubs: so it might be an issue with the mac build in particular. Maybe you can play some more on the linux build to see if the error ever happens there. Is that version capable of generating core dumps too? 06:08 <[Demo]> so unless i like double the levels (i think ndnh is rougly at about 127 on average per game) i shouldnt have that issue? 06:08 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:09 [Demo]: ah right, there was that xchar issue I had in dnhslex, you should probably fix that, but the 256 limit probably won't affect you for a while 06:09 LarienTelrunya: I think so, and will do! 06:09 LarienTelrunya: you want me to run 2.2? 06:09 LarienTelrunya: and Monk/Angel would be best for just spamming through levels I assume? 06:10 tubs: yes, definitely, since you said the error happened on a 2.2.0 build on the mac. I absolutely have to know whether that version is generally buggy, and knowing that before I actually try to get it put on a public server would be rather useful ;) 06:10 *nods* 06:10 monk angel works, sure 06:10 * LarienTelrunya *really* hopes she didn't create a blasted savegame error in 2.2.0 06:11 <[Demo]> i like it when recover works 06:11 [Demo]: https://github.com/AmyBSOD/dnhslex/commit/3bf646a47afe6c1d2a9e77c952456b24eee64ecd - it fixes both the xchar problem (the one that caused recover to not work at all and trash the save) and the 256 limit. 06:12 [Demo]: I think being below 256 might work out better than going above it 06:12 -!- jonadab has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:12 but NetHack assumes 127 in places... 06:13 FIQ: slex's astral plane crash was actually a long-standing, unrelated bug that could happen when a player monster had a title that's longer than 32 characters, which I fixed now. 06:14 LarienTelrunya: I am aware of that bug, yes 06:14 It can happen elsewhere as well 06:14 even in vanilla 06:14 You should really port NAO bug fixes to slex 06:14 yeah but that probably means sifting through thousands of commits 06:14 have fun! 06:14 :P 06:15 I'll take the easy way out and grep the source for occurrences of PL_NSIZ and similar things, and increase the sizes of those buffers when I suspect they might be too small. 06:15 that said, I'm curious to see what 3.6.x's mplayer.c does 06:16 or you know 06:16 you could just increase PL_NSIZ 06:16 3.6.x still uses PL_NSIZ and it's still 32... 06:17 yes, that is fine 06:17 if I were to increase it, the player would suddenly be able to give their character much longer names which would probably cause other problems 06:17 player names are still dgl-restricted 06:18 remember how Luxidream crashed one of the variants, I think it might even have been FIQhack, by using a long name containing certain characters? 06:18 that was actually completely unrelated to PL_NSIZ 06:19 ais523 botched his base64 implementation 06:19 really? but the name input field also uses a fixed-size buffer thought? 06:19 when computing length 06:19 *I thought 06:19 basically in certain cases, the null string terminator would be missing 06:20 which would likely (but not always) lead to a crash 06:20 fixing the base64 length computation fixed the problem 06:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:24 Well,LarienTelrunya , a shop with a locked door which I got teleported inside of may be the end of this test playthrough... 06:25 In minetown* 06:25 dude there's a phase door technique! :P 06:26 or is that on timeout? if that's the case, use scrolls instead of which you hopefully still have at least one 06:26 Ah, well, I put on my unknown gauntlets of teleportitis 06:26 Escaped 06:27 Then got cornered in an alley by a "General" swinging his absolutely-not-compensating-for-anything rocket launcher. 06:27 But yeah, I'd definitely have hit some issue or other on the mac build 06:27 what, you got a general so early? 06:27 From stealing 06:27 oh 06:27 so you died? rip :( 06:28 kicked a tree in a shop and the spellbook went into my inventory instead of the floor 06:28 So when I teleported out I got angried at 06:28 damn 06:28 <[Demo]> so if the player were to somehow load my levels after astral what would happen when they got to them again after the planes delete? 06:28 Looks like it might just be a mac thing, I wouldn't worry about it; I'm literally a magnet for bugs. 06:29 tubs: okay, let's hope so 06:29 thanks for testing! 06:29 Np :) 06:29 I wonder if there is a way to bind '.' to 's' so I don't anger eurynome.. 06:29 [Demo]: upon entering the planes, all levels that exist at that point are deleted, I think. So if you're supposed to return to them later, you must find the routine that deletes them, and prevent it from actually deleting them I guess 06:30 should be somewhere in the "transition from level 1 to plane of earth" code 06:31 oh, and the game not only deletes the level files, they also no longer show up if you access the dungeon overview 06:31 <[Demo]> you aren't ever supposed to visit them b4 the planes 06:31 though they will probably still show up with #overview 06:32 oh they're post-astral only? 06:32 <[Demo]> Yeah so they work 06:32 you tested and verified that they work? 06:32 <[Demo]> but I don't want them to be shitty and unstable in weird niche cases I haven't thought of 06:32 <[Demo]> yeah 06:33 and you tried various things, like going back and forth between them and repeatedly saving, or levelporting back and forth, or whatnot? 06:33 <[Demo]> yeah but not too frequently did I test them after planes 06:33 <[Demo]> usually would skip that step and go to them 06:34 in slex I've found that there's always the potential for corner cases, even if I think I thought of everything :P 06:34 <[Demo]> Yeah acu is so unplaytested that it definitely doesn't work 06:34 that astral crash was a case in point, giving some roles long titles for certain ranks caused that but I didn't know about it until today 06:36 <[Demo]> was that ever a vanilla problem? 06:36 <[Demo]> or are there no vanilla rank names long enough? 06:36 nope, probably because none of its rank titles are as long as stuff like "the one who doesn't like foreigners" 06:37 the buffer has a length of 32 and must hold a string of " the " 06:37 <[Demo]> ok 06:37 in the above case, the rank alone is long enough to cause a buffer overrun 06:37 <[Demo]> really hope my bot isn't forwarding my pinning messages 06:38 and this buffer size is set in mplayer.c where it creates player monsters for the astral plane; the actual christen_monst() function in doname.c uses a buffer with length 63, which is long enough 06:39 (for now :P) 06:39 <[Demo]> I think I will try to avoid long rank names 06:41 <[Demo]> so I agree that bug fixes make sense b4 jnh but slex binder should use the new dnethack binder quest levels at some point 06:42 (just looking at them) Chris and his constant insistence to use several MAP segments for a single level :D I'm wondering why that's even necessary? 06:43 also why does the locate level remind me of the noble goal level 06:43 <[Demo]> still better than barb quest for the millionth time 06:44 <[Demo]> you would need to modify the locate level to just stick the nemesis in the final room 06:44 wow, the dna levels look nice too 06:44 <[Demo]> not local dammit 06:44 <[Demo]> fucking final 06:45 since slex still needs some special levels for the new branches in 2.2.0, I might just go and steal some from dnethack's various quests and adjust them accordingly :D 06:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:45 tubs: play DNHslex! *bundlebundlebundle* ♥ 06:45 * LarienTelrunya just realized she didn't use *bundlebundlebundle* in a long time :D 06:47 <[Demo]> Amy I'm not sure I've uve helped or harmed ppls views of vanilla slashem 06:48 well, me neither; while we do have some regulars on the esm server who play slashem, I don't know any of them since they never join the chat 06:48 <[Demo]> I wish vanilla slashem was more respected but if it wasn't for slex slashem as a whole might have just faded away completely 06:48 okay that was a lie, one or two of those players did appear in the chat when they needed a recovery 06:49 the thing with vanilla slashem is that it's no longer developed :( 06:49 LarienTelrunya: yes ma'am 06:49 LarienTelrunya: where do Igo? 06:49 tubs: hahaha, sorry, didn't want to make you shelve that promising dnh run if you'd rather keep playing that ;) 06:49 LarienTelrunya: that's a lie, I am 90% sure you bundlebundlebundled someone yesterday :p 06:49 LarienTelrunya: I dead 06:50 what? argh! rip :( 06:50 well, ssh to slashem@slashem.me with port 22 if you want to play dnhslex, but I guess you'd need to make an account and copy over your dnh rcfile 06:50 Not exactly a big task :p 06:50 <[Demo]> is the slashem on emslashem elronds work? 06:50 Unix SlashEM Version 0.0.7E7F3 - last build Sun Apr 10 18:12:36 2016. 06:51 LarienTelrunya: huh, looks like I already had an account there :) 06:51 tubs: yeah, the "tubs" account played regular nethack in june 2016, apparently 06:51 \o/ 06:52 Why can't I use vi to edit rc files? ._. 06:52 Student of Stones is the longest vanilla rank title 06:52 FIQ: ah, 17 characters, and there's certainly no mplayer.c name longer than 12, so vanilla never crashes that way 06:52 Jonathan is the longest player name 06:52 yep 06:53 27 is the max length 06:53 with this in mind 06:53 <[Demo]> thanks for checking fiq 06:53 tubs: sorry :( we decided to go with nano 06:53 <[Demo]> I was curious but on phone 06:53 LarienTelrunya: np *shudders* 06:53 no wait 06:53 30 06:53 I forgot "the" 06:53 so it' 06:53 LarienTelrunya: I managed to endure! 06:53 s just barely below the limit 06:53 the limit is 31 06:54 excluding the null pointer 06:54 tubs: great! now I'll be curious to see you play ♥ 06:54 so LarienTelrunya 06:54 don't use rank titles above 18 characters 06:54 <[Demo]> Ok I'm gonna up that things size 06:54 FIQ: my solution is much better, I'll just increase the size of that buffer 06:54 <[Demo]> out of paranoia 06:55 after all, mplayer.c uses the 31-size buffer and then copies that into christen_monst()'s 63-size buffer, so the mplayer.c buffer might just as well use the same size of 63 06:57 tubs: I'm curious to see how a dnethack grandmaster plays the binder, I have absolutely zero idea how to play one myself 06:58 LarienTelrunya: lol grandmaster \o/ 06:58 <[Demo]> I think none of my acu rank names are larger than 17 06:58 LarienTelrunya: I'm curious about the blue bg colour though, it is supposed to be where I've seen before but can't currently see right? 06:58 LarienTelrunya the watch menu shenanigans are my fault 06:58 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-11 02:48 EDT: I'm just seeing something weird: on the watch menu, Grasshopper appears twice, with the games being listed as "xnh" and "xnh011", which both lead to the same game when selecting them 06:58 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-11 03:51 EDT: I've figured out why that astral plane crash was happening: slex tried to make a player monster with a rank title that was too long. I'll try to devise a fix. 06:58 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-11 03:54 EDT: apparently it tried to copy a name that was 36 characters long, but which was erroneously stored in a buffer that can only hold 32 characters, to a new buffer that can hold 64 characters! no wonder we were getting a buffer overrun 06:58 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-11 04:13 EDT: bugfix commits ready at slex-2.1.7 branch again. This should fix the error where entering the astral plane sometimes crashes the game, and I also tried another time to fix the issue where recover doesn't completely recover savegames. Sorry for all the bugs! But I'm trying to hunt them all down :) 06:59 tubs: uhh, I guess? I just copied dnethack's code and added a few of my own stuff, but those blue backgrounds are from regular dnethack 06:59 thought that inprogress folder could be same for 2 versions of same variant 06:59 apparently that is not the case 06:59 K2: yeah, I was noticing it for different variants too ;) 06:59 LarienTelrunya: really? Huh, I don't see that on hdf - it's weird though because the corridors are the opposite (blue where you can see, white otherwise) 07:00 <[Demo]> turn off the shit that makes blue and black the same color 07:00 <[Demo]> why isn't lit_corridor set by default? 07:01 man does the dnethack binder ever suck :P he can't kill anything, and without level ups he probably won't learn new spirits! how the heck are you supposed to survive? 07:01 [Demo]: where is that shit at 07:01 LarienTelrunya: pet, 07:01 LarienTelrunya: in dnh if your pet is adjacent to a monster they won't melee you 07:02 yeah but how does that help? the pet will steal all the kills so you still won't level up 07:02 Eventually! :p 07:02 and you can use no weapon or anything because you lack all the skills 07:02 Or I'll bind one of these three 07:03 I think Eden just needs a tree 07:03 Then you get "powers" that you can use to kill stuff 07:03 Oh wait, Eden is a fountain, even easier 07:03 that's another annoying thing, you need to play with the wiki open to know how to bind the spirits 07:04 That whistle was lucky! 07:04 heh, it means that death is lurking behind the next corner with big, pointy teeth :P 07:04 tubs, Bin Hum Mal Gno, killed by an Anastasia's dancing shoe 07:04 Sweet rust monster 07:05 why is that good? 07:05 Wait what, why did it damage me? 07:05 in dnh they do 0 damage, so you can get tons of exp from them 07:05 there was a hobbit and he apparently cleaned your clock 07:05 rip :( 07:05 yolo again! 07:05 The black rats make this a lot harder :) 07:06 wtf you managed to bind a spirit? 07:06 Yeah, Amon just needs not an altar on the same level 07:06 Use the starting rusty knife to engrave 07:06 Amon is nice because he gives a headbutt attack 07:06 And firebreath 07:06 and the seal was not scuffed despite the stupid cat walking over it (which it always seems to do, I'm certain Chris coded it specifically so active seals are prime spots for your pets to step on) :P 07:07 [hdf-us] [nd] hilliance (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed greased fixed magic marker (0:99)", on T:33279 07:07 Yes, cats usually break them :D 07:07 I was scared a bit 07:07 dont have time to fix dgl right this second, will soon 07:07 Just remember to pick up trash daggers from the first few mobs and you can engrave fine usually. 07:07 its minor 07:07 Lol +3 shirt :D 07:08 Oh yeah you can kill yourself with fire breath real easy 07:08 what's up with this weird "can see down the whole length of a corridor"? I've seen that a lot in dnhslex 07:08 Amon gives darksight 07:09 ah so that's what it's called, I thought it was echolocation 07:09 But lightsight to drow 07:09 Making them actually playable! 07:09 Why are there faberge spheres but no tinker gnomes? 07:09 @d?tinker gnome 07:09 tinker gnome (G) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 5 | Spd: 6 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Attacks: 1d6 weapon physical, 0d0 tinker tinker | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, infravisible 07:09 probably not deep enough for the latter to spawn 07:10 this is dnhslex, many things that can't spawn randomly in regular dnh can do so here :D 07:10 :D 07:10 Oh god spheres 07:12 wtf flying boots??? dnh has that? 07:12 Yeah replaces levi boots 07:12 Means there is even more choice for boot wearing 07:12 wow, that's uber pwnz0r! 07:12 Also fireworks cart is way harsh this early... 07:13 Explosion saps max hp 07:13 what, the fire breath doesn't even use Pw? WTF 07:14 25 turn cooldown 07:14 I love the powers, tubhack is going to be based almost primarily on that type of ability 07:14 the shopkeeper hates me because he can see my horns (a helmet would hide them) 07:14 ah the good old loot exploit, I wonder if Chris is going to fix that 07:15 oh, I wonder... 07:16 No it wouldn't work, would be fun to #equip to pets to let them steal stuff more easily 07:16 Wait this is an exploit? Is it not the same as just plain old pet stealing? 07:17 it's much easier to perform than regular pet stealing, since you don't have to get the pet out of the shop first 07:17 not sure if Chris considers it an exploit or "the way it's meant to be played" 07:18 but since dnhslex wants to stay true to the spirit of dnethack, I'm not going to change it :D 07:18 I think the main hack is it doesn't seem to reduce apport 07:18 Abandoned weapons place here somewhere! 07:19 wut? how do you know? 07:19 oh armories have level sounds??? 07:19 <[Demo]> shop theft is not a victimless crime 07:20 drip onto metal message 07:20 "you hear a ceiling tile fall" wtf I'd never have associated that with an armory 07:20 and "you hear iron oxidize" LOL??? 07:20 <[Demo]> it's a dilapidated one 07:20 Tiny daggers <3 07:20 <[Demo]> with pre rusty shit 07:20 <[Demo]> and rusty and corrosive monsters 07:20 but really good for getting magical equipment, and amazing exp early 07:21 Plus the puddings you can divide as a binder so your pet and you can farm exp 07:21 yeah I love the loot in armories in slex too, but it's always a race to rescue as much as you can before the rust monsters eat everything 07:21 https://i.imgur.com/vxPjLRf.png 07:21 Happened yesterday 07:21 you pudding farmer! :P 07:22 Omg, tiny daggers from a quickling, it is sooo cute :d 07:22 does the size of a weapon have an impact on its damage or accuracy? 07:23 Yeah, I think it loses 2 damage per size away from medium 07:23 quite the harsh penalty 07:23 So I think for multirolls it is great, large broadsword I *believe* does 2d6 over 2d4 07:23 Aye 07:25 Otiax is also useful in some way I guess? 07:26 Extra passive attack 07:26 And "open" does good damage if it hits 07:26 wtf, I thought that would open doors :P I guess it instead opens the chest of enemies, splintering ribs and shredding viscera? 07:27 Where did my kitty go 07:27 LarienTelrunya: both! You can #force locks, or "open" (25turn cd) enemies 07:27 haha 07:27 Like that. 07:27 looooooool 07:27 can I please see the message again? 07:28 okay, got it :) 07:28 this shall become a random message in slex! 07:28 "You open a door into the House Xorlarrin drow, releasing her vital organs!" 07:28 Where did my cat go? :( 07:28 I want to steal that white dragon shield... 07:28 level telep maybe? or a hole? 07:29 Prayer will work here but unbind Amon 07:29 Which isn't awful since I'm over the level1 hump 07:29 do you have alternatives? 07:30 so it seems the spirits give you lots of extra melee attacks but you constantly miss with all of them anyway due to general binder suckitude, I guess? :P 07:30 Buer is the king, he gives skills in martial arts and hungerless regen :-\ 07:30 Yeah, I think the mist tendrils have better chance to hit 07:31 and you play slow and kill stuff with powers 07:31 wtf the tendrils can even force doors 07:31 Where is my cat?? 07:34 what does the flak helmet do again? fire anti-aircraft missiles at flying enemies? 07:35 I think protects against acid rain or something 07:35 Should I zap this cat? 07:35 oh, are polymorphs permanent? 07:36 For not you, yes 07:36 I think! 07:36 then I guess it's worth a shot 07:36 hmm 07:37 are you trying to speed monster the devil? 07:37 Yeah, otherwise I'll get annoyed and ditch him 07:38 "extramission" wtf 07:38 sounds like a bonus level that you have to play through 07:40 Hah 07:41 Horned Devil is not M_STRONG right? 07:41 nope 07:42 Fortunately shopkeepers are shit in dnh, I think that was one of slashem's best ideas 07:42 [hdf-us] [nd] MiseryMyra (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:1393 07:43 Also please add #equip to every variant ever 07:43 haha 07:45 -!- Demo_ has joined #hardfought 07:45 is it normal to get messed up so badly by what would be popcorn monsters in slex? 07:45 so some acu names are 18 chars long 07:45 Dwarves are tough as shit, they have really good AC 07:45 But I think they only get one attack instead of two or something 07:45 decided its worth it to protect astral 07:46 Demo_: how did you do it? increase buffer size? 07:46 yeah 07:46 I guess astralscumming until you get "Jonathan the extremely long rank title" to spawn would take ages though :D 07:47 right 07:47 so the only reason why every binding has a dissed guise listed on the wiki is because shopkeepers otherwise won't trade with you? 07:48 and priests 07:48 cant buy protection from them if you are an outcast 07:48 LarienTelrunya: yeah 07:48 Oh yeah priests 07:48 I never buy protection because I am a complete scrub 07:48 the weird thing is he sold me the whistle 07:48 But not the scroll 07:48 man i hate radoban so much 07:49 dnhslex uses whatever dnethack uses for the protection formula, probably 400 * level 07:49 it isnt actually rad and just sucks 07:49 tubs: wtf, are you attacking the npcs on purpose? 07:49 Yeah to get my pet to attack them 07:49 I want their stuff 07:49 ah 07:49 Pets won't attack peaceful stuff 07:49 Which is soooo good 07:50 Demo_: what else does it have apparent from the forest fire level? 07:50 *apart 07:50 neutral quest is lvl 1 07:50 REMEMBER TUBS: DO NOT SAC THE PRIEST 07:50 basically a shit ton of gas spores 07:50 then baptism of fire 07:50 then... 07:50 idk 07:52 also weird how the shopkeeper first says "welcome, feel free to shop, chat, ask for services bla bla bla" and then "I don't have business with your kind here." when you actually try to do those things 07:53 Yeah I know, better to just tell you to fuck off, but at least you can still steal <3 07:53 i need some way to determine if the level im on is the one adjacent to the last level of soko 07:53 but idk how to do that 07:53 YASI for dnethack: if you're an outcast from having a visible seal binding, watchmen attack you on sight 07:54 vampires get attacked by the watch i think 07:54 well convicts certainly do 07:54 for vampires it might even be beneficial since they need nutrition 07:54 oh its convicts then nevermind 07:54 that makes sense 07:55 *nods* 07:55 Dual wielding watch captain, will wonders never cease!? 07:56 so basically i want the second to last level of radoban to be explosion boom boom boom land 07:56