00:06 <tubs> Ouch 00:07 <tubs> And with that, it's 5AM and time for a nap 00:08 <tubs> nn all 00:08 -!- tubs has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:11 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism by offering a gnome corpse on an altar of Susanowo, on T:7782 00:35 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 01:18 -!- MysteryMyra has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 01:32 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 01:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 01:35 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:36 -!- stenno is now known as Guest75206 01:41 -!- Guest75206 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:20 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] cpittman (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 27012 points, T:1772, killed by a dwarf 02:30 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] mccabe (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 19242 points, T:986, killed by a dwarf zombie 02:53 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 02:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] mrs miller (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5277 points, T:87, killed by a falling rock 03:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] mccabe (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the elf zombie of mccabe, the former Evoker, on T:1221 03:19 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:19 <LarienTelrunya> . 03:19 <LarienTelrunya> Beholder: what, no messages? 03:21 <LarienTelrunya> oh, I guess we'll have to wait for Tariru to return; his save will still crash but at least now the core dump will give a more useful backtrace that allows me to pinpoint where it went wrong (I hope) 03:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] mccabe (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the ghost of Winsometimes, the former Cutpurse, on T:2309 03:25 <LarienTelrunya> !tell jonadab If you provide a windows build of Fourk without the installer, I'll test it ;) 03:25 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya! 03:27 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 03:27 <tubs> Guten Tag! 03:27 <Beholder> Hello tubs, Welcome to #hardfought 03:27 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 03:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:44 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:54 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 03:56 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:24 <tubs> meh 04:34 -!- mpt| has joined #hardfought 04:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:35 -!- mpt| has quit [Client Quit] 04:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] FIQQY FAZBEAR (Luxidream) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 174584 points, T:57503, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dynahack/dumplog/2018-04-08%2004_37_43%2C%20FIQQY%20FAZBEAR-Arc-Hum-Fem-Law%2C%20ascended.txt 04:39 <tubs> Grtz luxi! 04:40 <tubs> Who isn't here... 04:40 <rld> <@luxidream> thanks! 04:40 <tubs> Ah, rld 04:40 <tubs> Cursed relays 04:40 <rld> <@luxidream> I'm on the discord side... 04:40 <tubs> *nodno* 04:40 <tubs> nod 04:40 <tubs> No one's perfectr! 04:40 <tubs> Especially not my typing :-\ 04:42 <rld> <@luxidream> !role dyn 04:42 <Beholder> @luxidream: knight 04:42 <rld> <@luxidream> no 04:42 <rld> <@luxidream> !role dyn 04:42 <Beholder> @luxidream: archeologist 04:42 <rld> <@luxidream> kno 04:42 <rld> <@luxidream> !role dyn 04:42 <Beholder> @luxidream: knight 04:42 <rld> <@luxidream> !role dyn 04:42 <Beholder> @luxidream: archeologist 04:42 <LarienTelrunya> we ♥ the RNG :) 04:42 <rld> <@luxidream> I just won these two dammit 04:42 <rld> <@luxidream> !role dyn 04:42 <Beholder> @luxidream: caveman 04:43 <rld> <@luxidream> !race dyn 04:43 <Beholder> @luxidream: elf 04:43 <rld> <@luxidream> !race dyn 04:43 <Beholder> @luxidream: vampire 04:43 <rld> <@luxidream> !race dyn 04:43 <Beholder> @luxidream: dwarf 04:43 <rld> <@luxidream> k 04:43 <LarienTelrunya> !who 04:43 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] 04:43 <Beholder> LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [slex] tubs [dnh] 04:44 <tubs> !whereis AmyBSOD 04:44 <Beholder> tubs: [hdf-us] AmyBSOD is not currently playing on this server. 04:44 <Beholder> tubs: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [slex]: No details available 04:44 <LarienTelrunya> sorry, whois is only in the development version 04:44 <LarienTelrunya> err, whereis 04:44 <LarienTelrunya> (why do I always say "whois"?) 04:44 <rld> <@luxidream> !coffee tubs 04:44 * Beholder throws tubs a cup of cafe latte, fermented by demogorgon at 209 Kelvin. 04:45 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:45 <rld> <@luxidream> that's pretty cold 04:45 <tubs> LarienTelrunya: because you are a gentle philospher 04:45 <tubs> "Who even are we?" 04:45 <LarienTelrunya> :D 04:45 <rld> <@luxidream> !coffee luxidream 04:45 * Beholder hands luxidream a cup of Blend 43, conjured by FCCBot at 37 degrees Celsius. 04:46 <tubs> I am 90% sure K2 has eu.hardfought set up to detect when you're in sokoban and send in lag ._. 04:46 <rld> <@luxidream> I was getting lag in the US server too 04:46 <LarienTelrunya> oh it's lagging for you too? I thought it was my connection again 04:46 <rld> <@luxidream> I had to reconnect several time last ascension run 04:46 <rld> <@luxidream> *times 04:46 <tubs> Aren't you in great deutchland with the perfect internet!? 04:47 <LarienTelrunya> tubs: well I'm living in a small village on a hill where the internet is shitty; 50 meters over, on the other hill, it's about 3 times as fast :P 04:48 <tubs> Ahh, alas 04:48 <tubs> I bet it's really pretty though 04:49 <tubs> I love holidaying in Germany, I always go to Bad Reichenhall 04:49 <tubs> Arrrgghh, fireworks carts, maxhp, noo 04:49 <LarienTelrunya> there are indeed nice parts of Germany, I guess I'm living in one (my job takes me to all kinds of places and the one I'm living in is really one of the most beautiful :D) 04:51 <tubs> LarienTelrunya: what is your job (other than slex)? :o 04:52 <LarienTelrunya> driving around by train and interviewing people to find out how much (or not) they like the "Deutsche Bahn" (german railway company) 04:52 <LarienTelrunya> which usually means travelling for several hundred km on each tour ;) 04:52 <tubs> Ah that sounds pretty fun, I take it you get to code on trains a lot? 04:53 <LarienTelrunya> hahaha that would be great, but alas, nope; I do collect ideas for slex during the breaks though 04:53 <LarienTelrunya> the actual coding is done at home 04:56 <tubs> Ah fair enough, I used to get to travel loads for work, but not anymore :( 04:57 <LarienTelrunya> LOL my slex character currently has -50 AC on dungeon and experience level 11 04:58 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:58 <tubs> Oh yeah, what is Gray Fuckery? 04:58 <LarienTelrunya> an armor that makes everything display in shades of grey, and I think it gives magic resistance too 04:59 <tubs> I got it while playing on the tube, then got syphilis 04:59 <tubs> the person sitting next to me was looking over my shoulder and coughed :( 04:59 <FIQ> morning 05:00 <LarienTelrunya> haha, he was watching you play? :D 05:00 <FIQ> aosdict: actual morning! kind of 05:00 <raisse> morning! 05:01 <raisse> my idea of time is a bit fucked up because yesterday I got up at 4:15 and last night I went to bed at about that time 05:01 <raisse> I did have about 3 1/2 hours of sleep in the evening 05:01 <tubs> Good morning all! 05:01 <tubs> LarienTelrunya: yes, most people read on the tube, but I just finished a 13 book series and I am too emotionally distraught to start another. 05:02 <tubs> Am I allowed to blow up a drawbridge from far away? 05:02 <tubs> In dnh 05:03 <FIQ> @luxidream did that nymph just steal half your inventory? 05:03 <LarienTelrunya> tubs: heh, I also often get emotionally distraught when reading books; I read the entire Twilight and 50 Shades of Fucked Up series *shiver* Never again! Who writes such garbage anyway??? 05:03 <rld> <@luxidream> yes 05:03 <rld> <@luxidream> yes it did 05:04 <raisse> LarienTelrunya: there are so many better things in the world to read! 05:04 <LarienTelrunya> raisse: indeed! but even if I read something like Harry Potter or The Hunger Games, I still get emotionally distraught 05:04 <tubs> Don't read Malazan Book of the Fallen then 05:05 <tubs> You will dehydrate to death 05:06 <raisse> LarienTelrunya: if you want to read something really light and fun with some magic, I recommend these books by a friend of mine http://www.emepps.com/category/books/ 05:07 <raisse> especially the magical romances are fun, and not emotionally draining 05:07 <LarienTelrunya> hmm, maybe 05:08 <LarienTelrunya> lately I've not had much time for reading books at all though, since I'm constantly doing slex work :/ gotta meet that deadline! 05:08 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 05:14 <tubs> Vlad just seduced me; I feel... dirty. 05:26 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:26 <tubs> Also did they really need to make magicbane both iron *and* silver? :- 05:27 <LarienTelrunya> what? dnethack allows items to be of several materials at once??? wtf 05:27 <tubs> Must be special cased 05:28 <tubs> *checks* 05:30 <tubs> There's an arti_silvered, but magicbane isn't there 05:33 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:33 <tubs> Not sure 05:35 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:36 -!- stenno is now known as Guest65328 05:45 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 05:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 05:51 <tubs> Incantifier priest is hilarious on the quest... you can spam the 1-turn #turn 05:54 -!- Guest65328 has quit [Changing host] 05:54 -!- Guest65328 has joined #hardfought 05:54 -!- Guest65328 is now known as stenno 06:11 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 06:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:22 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 06:26 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:30 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 06:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 06:32 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Wiz Tro Mal Law) killed the zyborg of Tmasher, the former Metal Woman, on T:2131 06:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:47 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Wiz Tro Mal Law), 18822 points, T:2910, quit 06:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Sag Tro Mal Law), 17 points, T:114, killed by a monster (goblin) 07:02 <tubs> Who is ttc1401? 07:02 <LarienTelrunya> no idea, but he plays slex, which makes me very happy :) 07:02 <tubs> Now I feel bad I don't play it as much! 07:03 <tubs> Emotional blackmail 07:03 <LarienTelrunya> haha, no problem, I consider dnethack the next best thing after slex (that's why I made dnhslex after all) :D 07:03 <tubs> YASI: Emotional Blackmailer, drains wis unless you #chat to it! 07:03 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:03 <LarienTelrunya> :D 07:03 <tubs> I think SLASH'EM was my first (variant) love 07:04 <tubs> But hilariously imbalanced 07:04 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, regular slashem is ultra hard in the beginning but gives you a huge monty haul segment in the midgame, and then the lategame is incredibly boring 07:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Sag Tro Mal Law), 1456 points, T:573, drowned in a moat by a hata-mata 07:05 <tubs> omg, 1200 /* In Soviet Russia, people only know dogs, cats and maybe horses. Everything else cannot be tamed, and variety 07:05 <tubs> 1201 * is also something that absolutely no one likes. Communism means everyone gets the same, so you can't have an 07:05 <tubs> 1202 * exotic pet! If you do then you'll "vanish" silently, like all the other lawbreakers. --Amy */ 07:05 <tubs> Is that the SLASH'THEM compat? 07:06 <LarienTelrunya> yes: if you add OPTIONS=hybridsoviet to your config file, you'll play SLASHTHEM Extended :D 07:06 <tubs> I'm surprised you don't have a vanilla, slash'em, etc. race x 07:06 <tubs> :x 07:07 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 07:07 <LarienTelrunya> well, SLASHTHEM is "special" because it's a variant of slex 07:07 <LarienTelrunya> oh, hi Tariru! can you please try to load your game on hdf-us? it will probably still crash but I made changes that should allow us to get a better backtrace so I can hopefully track down the bug 07:08 <Tariru> Sure, I'll do that now. 07:08 <Beholder> Tariru: Message from K2 at 2018-04-07 22:46 EDT: please try loading your game again, let me know how it goes 07:08 <tubs> Ah right - I had alwasys thought it was a variant of slashem, parallel to slex 07:08 <Tariru> Alright, just did that, and got the crash again. 07:08 <LarienTelrunya> recovery successful and then back to dgamelaunch? 07:09 <LarienTelrunya> when trying to watch you, my terminal crashed :P 07:09 <Tariru> It just threw me back to dgamelaunch, didn't even ask about recovery first. 07:09 <LarienTelrunya> oh, apparently K2 had used recovery locally, or something 07:10 <Tariru> That'd explain it. 07:10 <LarienTelrunya> anyway, we need K2 now 07:10 <LarienTelrunya> !tell K2 alright, Tariru reproduced the crash; there should be a new core dump now. Can you please generate a backtrace of that in gdb? I'm hoping it will now give me the exact location in display.c that caused it 07:10 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya! 07:10 <K2> ./recover -d level/5Tariru.0 07:10 <Beholder> K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-08 07:10 EDT: alright, Tariru reproduced the crash; there should be a new core dump now. Can you please generate a backtrace of that in gdb? I'm hoping it will now give me the exact location in display.c that caused it 07:10 <K2> ./recover: cannot chdir to level/5Tariru.0. 07:11 <K2> recover binary doiesnt work 07:11 <K2> doesnt 07:11 <LarienTelrunya> WTF 07:11 <K2> never seen that with any other variant 07:11 <LarienTelrunya> that must be because of the update I made? 07:11 <K2> ding ding ding 07:11 <K2> i have exactly 3 min before i have to leave again 07:11 <LarienTelrunya> oh 07:12 <LarienTelrunya> okay, can you please get me a backtrace of the new core dump in those 3 min? ;) 07:12 <LarienTelrunya> in the meantime I'll probably roll back to the old recover routine 07:12 <K2> no i cant 07:12 <K2> one wasnt produced 07:13 <LarienTelrunya> nooooooooooooooo! :( 07:13 <K2> LarienTelrunya: when i get back i'll give you Tariru save 07:13 <K2> you can troubleshoot all day long then 07:13 <K2> actually... 07:13 <K2> one sec 07:14 <FIQ> give her the backup too 07:14 <FIQ> the save might b e useless/incomplete 07:14 <FIQ> *be 07:15 <K2> LarienTelrunya see pm please 07:15 <K2> i have to go now 07:15 <LarienTelrunya> got it :) 07:15 <LarienTelrunya> thanks! 07:16 <LarienTelrunya> now I have to somehow get that save onto the esm server to test 07:16 <LarienTelrunya> and hope it even loads there 07:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Sag Tro Mal Law), 1016 points, T:651, quit 07:20 <Tariru> esm erver? 07:21 <LarienTelrunya> yes, that's the server I maintain, i.e. I have root there so I can conduct testing 07:21 <LarienTelrunya> hopefully the version of slex we have there will load your save! 07:24 <jonadab> What's the worst that can happen? 07:24 <Beholder> jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-08 03:25 EDT: If you provide a windows build of Fourk without the installer, I'll test it ;) 07:24 <jonadab> What could possibly go wrong? 07:24 <jonadab> I'm sure it'll load just fine. 07:24 <jonadab> Everything will be fine. 07:24 <jonadab> Nothing can go wrong. 07:26 <LarienTelrunya> gah, configuration incompatibility of course :( 07:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:27 <LarienTelrunya> damn, that means I simply can't test with the save at all now 07:27 <LarienTelrunya> I guess I could at least see whether the changed recovery code really trashes things 07:28 <aosdict> FIQ: actual morning? 07:28 <jonadab> LarienTelrunya: Just compile a version with the other configuration :-) 07:28 <LarienTelrunya> how do I pull a specific branch again? git pull origin slex-2.1.7 ? 07:29 <LarienTelrunya> hmm, apparently that works 07:30 <jonadab> Not sure, I almost never use pull. 07:30 <jonadab> I git remote update 07:30 <jonadab> And then checkout what I want to checkout or merge what I want to merge. 07:30 <LarienTelrunya> well I guess that's because you're not a server administrator ;) 07:31 <LarienTelrunya> okay, slex updated on esm and the dummy save I was using still loads, so at least I didn't accidentally break saves 07:31 <jonadab> I think it's more likely because I haven't had an "origin" branch on my NH4 and Fourk repositories since gitorious died. 07:31 <jonadab> Which was like a month or two after I started using git. 07:32 <jonadab> Err, origin *remote 07:32 <LarienTelrunya> alright, time to segfault slex on purpose now to check what the recover code is doing 07:32 <jonadab> I have other repos that do have origin remotes, of course; but I'm used to doing things the way I do with NH4 and Fourk, because those are my most active git projects. 07:32 <jonadab> wizmode #segfault ? 07:33 <LarienTelrunya> lol nope, missingno transformation (the segfault is removed in the development version btw, because it's a security loophole) 07:33 <jonadab> Segfaults are often security-relevant, yes. 07:35 <jonadab> I believe security people usually consider segfaults "almost certainly" a security problem unless proven otherwise. 07:35 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, that's why I finally came to my senses and decided to remove it 07:37 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:37 <tubs> :D 07:37 <tubs> rip wins 07:38 <rld> <@Winsalot> ... 07:38 <tubs> Frost Brand syndrome 07:38 <rld> <@Winsalot> more like mumak syndrome 07:39 <rld> <@Winsalot> there should be a statistic that shows to which letter I have died the most times 07:39 <rld> <@Winsalot> because I feel like it will be q 07:39 <tubs> To much qq 07:39 <tubs> Not enough pewpew! 07:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Sag Tro Mal Law), 4583 points, T:1206, killed by a bullet 07:39 <tubs> Fuck I need to cook a chicken now 07:39 <jonadab> leocrottas are quite nasty for as early as they show up. 07:40 <tubs> First time you die to a leocrotta... it's certainly an experience! 07:40 <jonadab> mumak are only speed 9, though, so you can almost always outrun them. 07:40 <rld> <@Winsalot> rothes are also nasty if you are very low lvl 07:40 <tubs> "What's this little red cow over there? Why is it moving so fast?? WHERE DID MY HP GO??" 07:40 <tubs> Especially when the gang up on you winsalot! 07:40 <jonadab> The thing about rothes is that you can run into groups of four or more of them. 07:41 <jonadab> If they only ever occured individually, I think they would not be any more dangerous than the average monster at their depth. But they come in groups. 07:41 <jonadab> They're still not nearly as bad as ants, though. 07:42 <jonadab> Ooh, YANI: that's what I could do to make quasits more interesting: make them generate in large groups! 07:42 <rld> <@Winsalot> well, at least when you see ants you always know that you are in some serious shit 07:42 <LarienTelrunya> !tell K2 weird, the changed recover code works when I use it on the other server; anyway, I made a reverting commit on the slex-2.1.7 branch that reinstates the old recover code, maybe that will help. I guess the best course of action would be to roll back to the working backup of Tariru's save at this point, though. 07:42 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya! 07:42 <rld> <@Winsalot> when you see q, it's hard to judge how much of a problem they will be 07:43 <tubs> Agreed with that 07:44 <tubs> Huge variety in speed if nothing else 07:44 <jonadab> Eh, it's not too bad. red q: you can't run, so stand your ground and pray. group of q: better get to a corridor or other bottleneck. Any other q: outrun or kite. 07:44 <jonadab> This is assuming you have intrinsic speed before you start seeing things like baluchitherium. 07:44 <jonadab> But that's generally the case. 07:45 <rld> <@Winsalot> but I mean, sometimes I slice through rothes like butter, sometimes single rothe fucks me up 07:45 <tubs> red q as anything fragile: put on your brown pants and try to escape 07:45 <tubs> variance yo! 07:45 <tubs> They are d3 d3 d8 07:45 <tubs> So big damage range they can put out 07:45 <jonadab> You don't need to put on brown pants; if you see a red q as a squishy early-game character, your pants are going to naturally turn brown when you poop yourself. 07:46 <tubs> jonadab: That's why you put the pants on, so no one will ever know. :) 07:46 <jonadab> Ah. 07:50 <tubs> Turns out I don't even have a chicken, so now I need to troop through the rain to Little Waitrose. Curses. Seeya all in a bit! 07:50 -!- tubs has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:52 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:3894 08:06 <rld> <@Winsalot> is it possible to enchant stackable items? 08:06 <rld> <@Winsalot> Like 15 daggers all at once? 08:06 <jonadab> Yes. 08:07 <jonadab> Or 50 elven daggers all at once. Or 200 arrows all at once. 08:07 <rld> <@Winsalot> good 08:08 <jonadab> Ranger would be one of the most powerful roles, if levitation didn't block multi-fire and/or weren't effectively mandatory on several particularly important levels. 08:15 <aosdict> I think that was one of the initial impetuses for saying we need to work on fixing the speed system (which has now stalled...) 08:16 <aosdict> Because a very fast Ranger can fire off 4-5 missiles, *2 to 3 times per turn*. 08:17 <rld> <@Winsalot> Does it mean I can eat cockatrices now? 08:17 <rld> <Winsalot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/432514209570619402/Screenshot_2018-04-08_15-16-42.png 08:18 <aosdict> jonadab: The main reason that that's stalled is that if you take it to its logical, symmetrical end, all fighting without moving would occur at speed 12. And I'm not sure that really works. Any thoughts? 08:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Gol Tro Mal Law), 2413 points, T:1008, quit 08:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Ran Tro Mal Law) averted death, on T:926 08:39 <aosdict> FIQ: "killed by a Mr. Izchak, the shopkeeper's wand" 08:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Ran Tro Mal Law), 597 points, T:926, killed by a monster (heisenbug), while helpless 08:45 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 08:46 <tubs> Now I am moist and damp and icky. 08:51 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 08:54 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:03 <jonadab> aosdict: Is it 4-5 missiles, or is it 1-5 missiles average 3? 09:04 <aosdict> 4-5 as a theoretical max. 3 or 2.5 as a realistic average. 09:04 <jonadab> Bear in mind, a very fast samurai can whack foes upside the head with +7 Excalibur and a +7 long sword, 2-3 times per turn. 09:04 <jonadab> Or with the Tsurugi, at 1d8+2db+1d8. 09:05 <jonadab> Err, 1d8+2d6+1d8 09:05 <aosdict> Yes, the damage output here is not really the point, it's the speed and how that amplifies damage output. 09:05 <jonadab> Plus enchantment bonus, plus skill bonus. 09:05 <jonadab> Sure. 09:05 <jonadab> But I think it's reasonable for rangers to have a _similar_ power level as melee fighters. 09:06 <aosdict> So, my initial idea was, if you do something that's not a move, you forfeit your remaining movement points. 09:06 <jonadab> Though vanilla Samurai is a bit unfair, because expert two-weapon Excalibur + katana is OP. 09:06 <jonadab> aosdict: Ah. 09:06 <jonadab> Hmm. 09:06 <aosdict> But then what if you have a ton of movement points from being in a very fast polyform like an air elemental? 09:06 <aosdict> And then, shouldn't air elementals not be able to attack you any faster than speed 12, for symmetry? 09:07 <jonadab> Polyform not changing your moverate until next turn is a separate issue, IMO. 09:07 <jonadab> Right, monsters should get the same nerfs as players here. 09:07 <aosdict> Meaning that if you have a duel with a monster, and neither of you is moving, it's just I swing, you swing, I swing, you swing... regardless of relative speeds. 09:07 <jonadab> Though you could do something sneaky like not count engulfing attacks when the victim is already engulfed. 09:07 <aosdict> Which is the part that seems wrong. 09:08 <jonadab> Which _in practice_ would mostly buff the Plane of Air. 09:08 <jonadab> But in principle it's symetric, if the player can also engulf. 09:08 <jonadab> (Which I think is not fully implemented? But so fix that.) 09:09 <aosdict> Yeah, but the question is, we know that this proposed system is symmetric, great. Is it a _good_ system that speed is only useful for movement ever? 09:09 <jonadab> Hmm. 09:09 <jonadab> I would be ok with ants being impossible to outrun but only attacking once per round. 09:09 <jonadab> But I'd have to think through the list of monsters. 09:09 <jonadab> Don't have time this morning, about to leave. 09:10 <jonadab> But it's a good question. 09:16 <FIQ> aosdict: you complained once when I said morning when it was afternoon here 09:18 <FIQ> jonadab: I think certain segfaults are entirely safe? 09:18 <FIQ> pretty sure dereferencing NULL will just kill your program before it tries to do anything weird 09:19 <FIQ> Assuming the mere fact that it crashed isn't a security problem, that is (such as a firewall, AV, etc) 09:20 <rld> <@Tone> aosdict If you could only attack once per turn, I think jumping boots would become preferable to speed in almost every scenario 09:20 <rld> <@Tone> Actually jumping ends your turn though so at least you could move and attack with speed boots? 09:21 <FIQ> jumping drains your nutrition 09:21 <FIQ> not by a lot, but it adds up 09:21 <FIQ> also, using jumping optimally is really annoying 09:21 <rld> <@Tone> Agreed on both counts 09:21 <rld> <@Tone> I've played a few games jumping as much as possible 😄 09:22 <rld> <@Tone> But if you aren't going for a low turncount then you don't care about either of those really 09:23 <FIQ> aosdict: In ADOM, the speed boots equivalent only improves movement speed 09:23 <FIQ> by 4/3 09:23 <rld> <@Tone> I guess there are also scenarios like when you are levitating where you can't jump either 09:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:7742 09:43 <aosdict> So yeah, I guess jumping would have to be nerfed then? I mean, it sort of does anyway; you can ALREADY use it to go faster than speed boots will allow. 09:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided disenchanter, on T:24797 09:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided arch-lich, on T:24798 10:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) averted death, on T:11941 10:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) was given their Quest, on T:12792 10:13 <aosdict> Is there any technical reason why spell levels stop at 7? 10:13 <aosdict> Could we have level 8 or 9 spells, if we wanted to? 10:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) was given the Gauntlets of Spell Power, on T:13966 10:24 <[Demo]> ok this is dumb 10:24 <[Demo]> im a vampire and i cant wear iron gop 10:24 <[Demo]> but i can wear silver gop 10:27 <FIQ> aosdict: no technical reason, but you'd need to add new failure results 10:27 <FIQ> when reading 10:28 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:28 <LarienTelrunya> Beholder: what's up? 10:28 <LarienTelrunya> hmm, not much it seems 10:31 <[Demo]> something is wrong with convict when i can squeeze myself onto a boulder while wearing cpm 10:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Warden Arianna, on T:17330 10:55 <[Demo]> any dnh convict players in here? 10:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) became the Glory of Arioch, on T:17646 11:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Tariru (Nob Inc Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2464 11:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Tariru (Nob Inc Mal Law) was given the Rod of Lordly Might, on T:2636 11:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:18 -!- deadnoob has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 11:33 <LarienTelrunya> TROPHY GET! ancient orange dragon polymorph ftw! (I ♥ polymorphitis :)) 11:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Mal Law), 9345 points, T:4622, killed by a minotaur 11:40 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:52 <aosdict> YANI: Peaceful monsters are peaceful to both the player and hostiles. Since xnh has player peaceful displacement, hostile monsters should be able to displace too. 11:52 <aosdict> Meaning that you can hide behind a pet, but not peacefuls. 11:54 <LarienTelrunya> WTF, I'm just discovering that slex tracks the training of skills that you don't actually have, i.e. behind the scenes the game still increases the training counter for those... 12:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:51964 12:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:51966 12:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law), 107 points, T:276, burned by a tower of flame 12:12 <[Demo]> im pretty sure this convict is actually a pirate 12:13 <[Demo]> the number of random artifacts ive found is insane 12:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] redshirt (Rog Orc Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5790 12:25 <[Demo]> wow i just got lucky 12:25 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 12:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed +2 tiny silver dragon scale shield", on T:22391 12:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Ran Agb Mal Law), 15099 points, T:3419, quit 12:34 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:35 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 12:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Axus, on T:23630 12:47 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 12:47 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 12:47 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:55 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 12:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:24235 13:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Sir Garland, on T:24636 13:03 <jonadab> FIQ: Yes, if the cause of the segfault is known, there are some times when security people can categorically say it's not exploitable. 13:04 <jonadab> But this tends to be the exception rather than the rule. 13:08 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:09 -!- theRaisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 13:09 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:14 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed the Nightmare, on T:25328 13:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:25376 13:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:25380 13:18 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- theRaisse has quit [Client Quit] 13:19 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:20 -!- theRaisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:25563 13:21 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:25598 13:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Garland, on T:25737 13:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) destroyed Chaos, on T:25754 13:41 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 13:47 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 13:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Elp Elf Mal Law), 4744 points, T:1682, killed by a monster (pole duck) 13:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Elp Elf Mal Law), 32 points, T:176, killed by a monster (ant general) 13:52 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:57 <rld> <@luxidream> "You are falling down an unbelievably deep shaft! While falling you wonder how unlikely it is to find such a deep shaft." 13:58 <rld> <@luxidream> lol 13:59 <aosdict> !whereis luxidream 13:59 <Beholder> aosdict: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn]: No details available 13:59 <rld> <@luxidream> can't say I've ever seen that before 14:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Elp Ang Mal Law), 1270 points, T:982, killed by a bullet 14:02 <FIQ> @luxidream Ranger quest? 14:02 <rld> <@luxidream> I dropped 6 levels in the main dungeon 14:03 <FIQ> ah 14:03 <FIQ> ouch 14:03 <aosdict> EPI: Ranger quest locate level pits drop you into Moloch's Sanctum. But there aren't any upstairs since you haven't done the Invocation. 14:03 <[Demo]> get shafted 14:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Elp Ang Mal Law), 287 points, T:416, killed by a monster (ice mimic) 14:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Center of All, on T:28148 14:11 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:14 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:37 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 14:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Elp Ang Mal Law), 19357 points, T:2585, killed by a monster (penultimate kappa) 14:52 <[Demo]> nearly flawless ry'leh run 14:53 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: how do you even do such a long, boring, repetitive dungeon without falling asleep in front of the monitor :D 14:54 <hothraxxa> he closes his eyes and thinks of amy 14:54 <[Demo]> its just so loot filled 14:55 <[Demo]> chris messed up convict by making it not suck too much 14:56 <[Demo]> well im not really sure what im supposed to do for ranged attacks 14:56 <LarienTelrunya> darts? do convicts get that skill in dnh? 14:56 <[Demo]> they get sling 14:57 <[Demo]> but im not using a fucking sling cause im not a shitty convict 14:57 <[Demo]> im a word class elite criminal mastermind 14:57 <hothraxxa> says here they can get skilled in daggers 14:57 <hothraxxa> that'd be good enough for me 14:57 <LarienTelrunya> and also skilled in dart and expert in knife 14:57 <hothraxxa> yeah, knife sucks 14:58 <hothraxxa> i've played a lot of healers and never once advanced knife 14:58 <LarienTelrunya> wasn't there someone who multishot knives as a healer? 14:58 <[Demo]> yeah someone did 14:58 <[Demo]> i might consider maxing knife and doing that 14:58 <[Demo]> cause my spoon is a knife 14:58 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: long boring repetitive dungeon? tower of yendor much? 14:58 <[Demo]> and my spoon is pretty good if my target is crippled and i can get that backstab 14:58 <LarienTelrunya> at least in slex, soldiers often have knives, not sure if that's also the case in dnh 14:58 <[Demo]> amy you'd like dnh convict 14:59 <[Demo]> they get a shit ton of weight capacity 14:59 <hothraxxa> that's the other problem with knoves. it's way late before you can accumulate any 14:59 <hothraxxa> knives 14:59 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: the problem is that in dnethack, you fight the same boring chaff monsters for 25 levels in that quest 14:59 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: ahh, the glitchy ball of glitchiness :P 14:59 <LarienTelrunya> https://nhqdb.alt.org/?1914 15:00 <LarienTelrunya> does anyone miss the good old iron ball of liberation? 15:00 <hothraxxa> ok that one is hilarious 15:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:02 <aosdict> Wouldn't giving you its weight in extra carry cap do net zero no matter how high it was? 15:03 <aosdict> !who 15:03 <Beholder> aosdict: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] Demo2 [dnh] hothraxxa [xnh] 15:03 <Beholder> aosdict: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [slex] 15:03 <LarienTelrunya> maybe it gives you the extra weight even while it's not in inventory? 15:03 <LarienTelrunya> although I guess that would be awkward, because you'll be moving at half speed, plus rust monsters would be able to eat the ball away 15:04 <hothraxxa> rust monsters eating your balls sound like an slex thing to me 15:05 <LarienTelrunya> LOL :D 15:08 <[Demo]> i still havent found a boh 15:08 <[Demo]> and im still not totally fucked with weight issues 15:09 <rld> <@luxidream> I don't think the iron ball increases carrycap 15:10 <rld> <@luxidream> unless that's a slashem thing and not an unnethack thing 15:10 <[Demo]> its a dnh thing 15:11 <rld> <@luxidream> okay because I went through inventory hell in dyna because I used CPM while having to carry the ball 15:11 <rld> <@luxidream> that wasn't very smart 15:16 <[Demo]> yeah in dnh its weighs negative whatever its weight is 15:17 <[Demo]> i was going cpm and starting iron ball an i couldnt carry shit but a few tools and wands 15:17 <[Demo]> then i was given the ball and everything changed 15:20 <[Demo]> im glad im gonna get a knife ranged setup cause thats something i really needed 15:23 <hothraxxa> is knife better than 1d3 in dnh? because suckage 15:29 <[Demo]> nope 15:30 <[Demo]> thankfully all i need it for is the elder priest 15:30 <[Demo]> and he is a weak one 15:33 <[Demo]> wtf 15:33 <[Demo]> sol valtiva 15:33 <[Demo]> im pretty sure im a halfpirate 15:49 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 15:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 15:56 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:58 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 15:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 16:01 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 16:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:31791 16:08 <[Demo]> i want a boh 16:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:31809 16:13 <Grasshopper> Was just thinking how you could put that on a T-shirt and enjoy the reactions from different people 16:14 <Grasshopper> "I wanna boh" 16:14 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 16:15 <elenmirie> gimme, gimme, gimme a blessed BoH 16:16 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 16:17 -!- irina|lo1 is now known as irina|log 16:17 -!- irina|log is now known as Guest40650 16:19 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:20 -!- Guest40650 is now known as irina|log 16:20 <aosdict> I'm holding out for a BoH till the end of the night? 16:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v irina|log] by ChanServ 16:26 <[Demo]> hmm i cant find 7 candles this game 16:26 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:32 <[Demo]> hell yeah! fort ludios 16:33 <rld> <@Winsalot> what's good in fort? 16:33 <aosdict> $$$ 16:33 <[Demo]> knives 16:33 <[Demo]> knives and divine AC baby 16:34 <[Demo]> !tell Chris_ANG "The Iron Spoon of Liberation is ineffective against it. You strike the trapped it! You destroy it!" 16:34 <Beholder> Will do, [Demo]! 16:34 <[Demo]> i appreciate advanced use of the english language and i am proud of that middle sentence 16:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:36 <aosdict> heh, "You strike the trapped it" 16:36 <aosdict> I guess someone really hates Stephen King... 16:39 <rld> <@Winsalot> Btw, who is 4k developer? 16:39 <aosdict> jonadab 16:39 <[Demo]> do crysknives stack? 16:39 <[Demo]> oh wait they like to wormtoothify on floor contact, right nevermind 16:40 <rld> <@Winsalot> Did he document the biggest fourk changes anywhere? 16:40 <aosdict> Pretty sure if you look it up on github there's a changelog 16:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:34706 16:44 <K2> hi 16:44 <Beholder> Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 16:44 <Beholder> K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-08 07:42 EDT: weird, the changed recover code works when I use it on the other server; anyway, I made a reverting commit on the slex-2.1.7 branch that reinstates the old recover code, maybe that will help. I guess the best course of action would be to roll back to the working backup of Tariru's save at this point, though. 16:45 -!- mpt| has joined #hardfought 16:45 <K2> !tell LarienTelrunya I didnt update slex on the eu server yet, for hopefully obvious reasons. so its just the us server that we're dealing with at the moment 16:45 <Beholder> Will do, K2! 16:47 <[Demo]> how many knives is enough knives? 16:48 <rld> <@Winsalot> Btw, anyone know where in source code of 4k I could find info about warhammer's damage? 16:48 <[Demo]> libnethack/src/objects.c 16:48 <[Demo]> i think thats how nh4 works 16:50 <K2> Tariru you here? 16:50 <aosdict> K2: finished with drill? 16:50 <K2> yup 16:50 <Tariru> Hi K2 16:50 <Tariru> I'm here. 16:50 * K2 waves 16:50 <K2> lets try again if you're willing 16:51 <K2> i updated with amy's latest changes 16:51 <Tariru> Alright. 16:51 <Tariru> No luck still, get thrown back to menu on trying to resume. 16:52 <rld> <@Winsalot> Thanks, apparently war hammer still sucks in 4k 😃 16:53 <K2> ok one more time 16:53 <K2> amy's recover program does not act the way the rest do... this is so odd 16:54 <Tariru> Alright, it asks if I want to recover 16:54 <Tariru> Try and recover? 16:54 <K2> yes 16:54 <Tariru> Alright, it said it was successful, but crashed back to the menu again after. 16:55 <K2> yup i could see how your file was being manipulated 16:55 <K2> this is frustrating 16:55 <K2> lets try something 16:56 <K2> i have that old save from a few hours prior to this mess starting, lets try it 16:57 <Tariru> Alright, let me know when it's ready. 16:59 <K2> ok Tariru get it a try again please 17:00 <K2> this is a save from the night before your crash 17:00 <Tariru> Seems to work fine! 17:00 <K2> \o/ 17:00 <aosdict> How much progress was lost? 17:00 <Tariru> Not too much I don't think. 17:01 <Tariru> I think I only got three levels higher in the tower. 17:01 <Tariru> Only sad thing is one of them had a magic marker, which would have helped getting this mapped. 17:01 <Tariru> But it came prerecharged anyway, so it would only have got me maybe 5-6 scrolls. 17:02 <K2> i need to talk to amy about what she does to test (if anything) new patches as she makes them 17:03 <K2> shouldnt have to deal with this much ass pain - sorry for the hassle Tariru 17:03 <aosdict> honestly there are probably so many possible interactions that testing anything is infeasible 17:03 <K2> not true 17:03 <aosdict> well, testing it more than cursorily 17:03 <aosdict> (is that a word?) 17:03 <K2> i get it, you cant test every permutation 17:03 <K2> sp 17:04 <Tariru> It's alright K2. At least you've got a good backup procedure! 17:04 <rld> <@Winsalot> " You are already stoned. " when stepping on falling rock trap while hallucinating. Is this 4k thing, or do other variants have it as well? Cos it's probably the best thing I've seen in nethack. 17:04 <K2> but you can at least test common funionality things 17:04 <K2> *functionality 17:04 <K2> Tariru :) 17:04 <K2> its saved my ass more than once heh 17:05 <K2> @Winsalot hahah 17:05 <aosdict> @Winsalot that's all fourk. 17:05 <aosdict> It also protects versus petrification. 17:05 <aosdict> credit to jonadab and raisse 17:05 <rld> <@Winsalot> btw, you guys know how to play sylph on fourk? 17:06 <rld> <@Winsalot> cos I stopped regenerating 😃 17:06 <K2> Tangles is the best one to ask Winsalot 17:06 <rld> <@Winsalot> I ate floating eye and now I'm stuck at 3 hp with no regen 😃 17:06 <K2> huh 17:07 <rld> <@Winsalot> I think it's something about alignment record, as sylphs must be vegan 17:07 <rld> <@Winsalot> but I really wnated that telepathy 17:08 <Tariru> Is it because you're touching iron? 17:08 <Tariru> Or is that a different race I'm thinking of? 17:12 <rld> <@Winsalot> I think it's because I broke vegan conduct 17:12 <rld> <@Winsalot> And no longer can draw energy from my surroundings 17:16 <aosdict> is that at least temporary? 17:17 <rld> <@Winsalot> No clue tbh, already dead 17:18 <rld> <@Winsalot> But I don';t think so 17:18 <rld> <@Winsalot> Maybe fixing alignment could fix it, but Im not sure 17:18 <[Demo]> does dnh disable multishot on knife? 17:19 <aosdict> Eh... I don't really like the idea of a race that enforces a conduct strongly enough that the game is permanently and seriously harder after breaking it. 17:20 <FIQ> aosdict: I don't think it's that bad 17:20 <FIQ> @Winsalot probably failed to follow some of the obscure conditions for regen 17:20 <FIQ> but at least when I played, a crappy alignment record wasn't one of them 17:20 <FIQ> @Winsalot you must only touch wood 17:20 <FIQ> no other pieces of armor is allowed 17:20 <FIQ> oh, cloth too 17:20 <aosdict> what about cloth? 17:20 <aosdict> yeah 17:21 <rld> <@Winsalot> oh, I guess I equiped some shitty armour then 17:21 <aosdict> be silly if you had to play the whole game with only a shield 17:21 <FIQ> aosdict: isn't there wooden hats too 17:22 <FIQ> YANI: wood golems should also drop small shields 17:22 <tubs> FIQ: +1 17:23 <[Demo]> man i love the bee level 17:23 <aosdict> FIQ: We don't have wooden hats, no. 17:24 <aosdict> Probably grunt and dnh have them due to object materials. 17:24 <[Demo]> Is Tarmunora around lately? 17:25 <tubs> aosdict: dng has an "Elven helm" 17:25 <tubs> +1 AC made of wood 17:25 <aosdict> Ah, in vanilla that is leather. 17:25 <tubs> I don#'t think you can get an arbitrary wooden hat 17:26 <tubs> Yeah it's nice because it is "hard", so protects from falling rock traps and levitating upwards 17:26 <tubs> But doesn't intefere with spellcasting 17:26 <aosdict> Hm, seems like you can't get one in grunt either 17:26 <tubs> You get a 0AC Gnomish hat from gnomes 17:26 <aosdict> Oh wait, yes you can, I just didn't wish properly. 17:27 <tubs> Which is equivalent to an elven leather helm, but -1AC comparitvely 17:27 <aosdict> tubs: Someone try wizmode-wishing up a wooden helmet in dnethack and seeing if it works. 17:27 <FIQ> aosdict: orcs shouldn't be encourage to use elven equipment 17:27 <tubs> I still can't work out from the source how dnh magicbane is both iron *and* silver 17:27 <aosdict> FIQ: ? 17:27 <tubs> aosdict: I can't get dnh to buoild :-\ 17:27 <FIQ> orc stuff sucks 17:27 <aosdict> who said anything about orcs 17:27 <FIQ> elven stuff is superior 17:27 <FIQ> aosdict: just remarking 17:27 <FIQ> sorry for sudden topic change 17:28 <tubs> Yeha an orc will put on elven equipment which is weird 17:28 <tubs> They should "hate" it 17:28 <[Demo]> you cannot wish for a wooden helmet in dnh in wizard mode and get anything 17:28 <tubs> FIQ: I am also sorry because I started using nh4 instead of fiqhack :-( 17:28 <FIQ> tubs: ? 17:28 <FIQ> oh for your variant? 17:28 <[Demo]> however a gold helmet will get you a helmet made of gold 17:28 <FIQ> it is your choice 17:29 <[Demo]> dnh wish parser isnt very not broken 17:29 <tubs> I am going to steal a bunch of the FIQhack improvements though 17:29 <FIQ> to use a codebase no longer getting active bug fixes 17:29 <tubs> I just don't want the new monster behaviour 17:29 <FIQ> not my problem :P 17:29 <FIQ> ahh 17:29 <FIQ> anything in particular you dislike? 17:29 <FIQ> FIQHack has mon_allowed 17:29 <FIQ> you can blacklist stuff there 17:29 <tubs> No, not dislike, just nh4 seems "baser" to star tfomr 17:29 <tubs> from 17:30 <FIQ> ah 17:30 <tubs> start form* 17:30 <FIQ> ok 17:30 <tubs> fuck, Too much tequila 17:30 <FIQ> but if it's just the AI being too op 17:30 <tubs> I am gonna steal your interface and dgen stuff thoughj! 17:30 <FIQ> you can blacklist certain stuff 17:30 <FIQ> I haven't touched dungeon gen at all 17:30 <tubs> FIQ: More I want to move in the opposite direction from monsters being similar to players, which s definitely cool 17:30 <FIQ> like brogue? 17:30 <tubs> But I want tubhack to be almost moer WoW-like in monster behaviour 17:31 <FIQ> every monster being unique 17:31 <tubs> I guess, have to admit never looked at brogue, but I assume it is 3.4 based? 17:31 <FIQ> no 17:31 <FIQ> brogue is a roguelike 17:31 <FIQ> completely unrelated to nethack 17:31 <FIQ> it is a pretty small roguelike 17:31 <tubs> Ah ok, don't want to start from scratch!!! 17:31 <FIQ> no no 17:32 <FIQ> but 17:32 <aosdict> FIQ: YASI: We have lembas for elves, but nothing for orcs? There should be a potion of orc brandy (that stuff they fed to Merry and Pippin), which buffs orcs but sickens anyone else. 17:32 <FIQ> what I am saying is 17:32 <FIQ> "oh you mean make monsters more distinct, like in brogue?" 17:32 <tubs> Orcs have tripe rations which they love. 17:32 <tubs> FIQ: more like I want to make "boss monsters" that have special moves 17:32 <FIQ> ah 17:32 <FIQ> so dnethack 17:32 <aosdict> Tripe is still objectively one of the worst permafoods. 17:32 <tubs> Meh, they are still "bash them until they die. 17:32 <tubs> aosdict: omg not for pacifist :) 17:33 <Grasshopper> aosdict, eating tripe can make you confused 17:33 <FIQ> from what I've heard 17:33 <tubs> aosdict: tripe gives xp! 17:33 <FIQ> you're basically looking for tome 17:33 <Grasshopper> which can be an advantage! 17:33 <FIQ> it plays like WoW but in roguelike form 17:33 <FIQ> (offline) 17:33 <tubs> FIQ: kinda, but I want it to be more on the nh-side 17:33 <FIQ> tome doesn't interest me the slighest 17:33 <FIQ> but it's from what I heard 17:34 <tubs> FIQ: hopefully next week I'll have a 0.1 with a first boss ready 17:34 <FIQ> ok 17:34 <tubs> I'm just getting familiar with the codebase, etc. 17:35 <tubs> I am trying to strip away almost everything but the very basic interface and dungeons 17:35 <FIQ> ok 17:35 <FIQ> sounds like nethack might not be a good base then 17:35 <aosdict> Strip away...? Like, you're removing all the monsters and objects? 17:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Elp Ang Mal Law), 10669 points, T:1475, killed by a monster (skeleton), while paralyzed by a monster's passive attack 17:36 <tubs> aosdict: Some, not all. The non-unique stuff is fine and dandy 17:37 <tubs> I suspect tubhack may not appeal to most people :-) 17:37 <tubs> If not all people! 17:38 <tubs> It swill probably be poo, but why not try? 17:38 <[Demo]> wow i just realized graz'zt's level is shaped like a dick and malcanthets a vag 17:38 <[Demo]> that was very clearly intentional 17:40 <aosdict> FIQ: should I allow randomly generated altars to be Moloch-aligned? 17:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] redshirt (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 18038 points, T:11269, killed by a leocrotta 17:41 <tubs> aosdict: please no 17:41 <FIQ> aosdict: in Gehennom, yes 17:42 <aosdict> I don't think it would actually have any gameplay effect, even in the Dungeons of Doom... 17:42 <FIQ> it just means less pre-coaligned altars 17:42 <aosdict> converting is still the same, the priest in temples is still the same 17:42 <aosdict> FIQ: right 17:44 <aosdict> FIQ: decided to merge the various mk*() functions into mkfeature() 17:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:56345 17:49 <tubs> Why does tequila taste so good? 17:49 <tubs> Buit is so bad 17:50 <[Demo]> god i cant stand tequila 17:50 <[Demo]> ...and i got dagon for brine 17:50 <[Demo]> i guess thats techniquely lucky 17:51 <tubs> [Demo]: come to sunday dinner with me and you will like tequila :) 17:51 <[Demo]> thats a wild combo 17:51 <tubs> I did Beef with red wine, garlid and thyme 17:52 <tubs> Chicken with white wine, garlic, shallots and rosemary 17:52 <tubs> And did a rosemary rub for it 17:52 <tubs> Marinated for 4 hours 17:52 <tubs> Cayenne roaste potatoes 17:52 <tubs> Maple roast parsnips 17:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Zyb Ang Mal Law), 1243 points, T:993, killed by a monster (invisible orc-captain) 17:52 <tubs> And tzimmus 17:53 <[Demo]> see that sounds good, but how does the tequila get worked in? 17:53 <tubs> I also baked a chocolate torte cake 17:53 <tubs> and the tequila came in then 17:53 <tubs> :) 17:53 <tubs> We had a malbec and chianti with dinner 17:55 <[Demo]> oh wow wines with names 17:55 <tubs> [Demo]: are you americano? 17:56 <[Demo]> yeah 17:57 <[Demo]> when i drink wine i only drink it with one purpose 17:58 <tubs> TO forget? 17:58 <[Demo]> if u wanna call it that 17:59 <tubs> To get laid? 17:59 <[Demo]> to get drunk 17:59 <[Demo]> for whatever purpose it may be for at that time 17:59 <[Demo]> so it seems funny to me to name them 17:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a Mordor orc, on T:8977 18:00 <K2> heh 18:00 <K2> well at least I didnt lose my armor 18:00 <[Demo]> nice 18:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Noah (Con Mai Fem Neu), 1056 points, T:1149, killed by a monster (fox) 18:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Tariru (Rog Ang Fem Cha) killed Micha, on T:131742 18:05 <[Demo]> :o is it fixed? 18:07 <Tariru> It got rolled back, but not very far. 18:08 <[Demo]> well its good that the experiment can continue 18:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Noah (Gam Und Fem Cha), 292 points, T:474, killed by a spore cloud 18:11 <FIQ> K2: did you and larien fix the problem 18:11 <K2> no 18:11 <FIQ> hmm 18:11 <FIQ> so Tariru is playing a new game? 18:11 <K2> reverted back to a slightly older save 18:11 <FIQ> ah 18:12 <FIQ> how far back 18:12 <Tariru> I'm already ahead of where I was. 18:12 <FIQ> ah 18:12 <FIQ> well then 18:12 <Tariru> And got the amulet on 2/3 imbues now. 18:12 <FIQ> K2: but this needs a proper fix 18:12 <FIQ> Tariru: nice! 18:12 <K2> FIQ: of course. but you should tell that to Amy 18:12 <FIQ> K2: this is what made kerio refuse to host grunthack 18:12 <FIQ> and I understand hi 18:12 <FIQ> m 18:12 <FIQ> slex needs a working recover 18:12 <FIQ> K2: ok 18:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Fir Ang Mal Law), 6022 points, T:431, killed by a monster (invisible librarian), while dragging an iron ball 18:13 <K2> i understand kerio's frustration 18:13 <K2> amy should probably focus more on bug fixes in time for junethack this summer rather than new content 18:14 <K2> her recover binary is odd 18:14 <FIQ> K2: I think you telling her this has more impact than me 18:14 <K2> i got it to work but not like how you'd think it should work 18:14 <K2> FIQ: agreed 18:14 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 18:14 <FIQ> Neither of us likes each other's variants that much, nor take each others' ideas seriously because the variants are basically opposites 18:14 <FIQ> And you're server admin 18:14 <[Demo]> im in a really good spot here 18:15 <[Demo]> cause i like making fun of every variant 18:15 <K2> i dont have an issue talking to her about it 18:15 <K2> but she could use some help from ppl like you who are more experienced programmers 18:15 <aosdict> [Demo]: but that means that *everyone* is inclined not to take you seriously 18:16 <[Demo]> well thats probably good 18:16 <[Demo]> cause i really dont take myself seriously either and a lot of the stuff i say is plain dumb 18:16 <FIQ> aosdict: [Demo] mocks all the developers 18:16 <[Demo]> even myself and ndnh to be fair 18:16 <FIQ> I don't mind, and I assume nobody else does 18:17 <FIQ> it's just a bit funny sometimes to see his comments on others' variants 18:17 <FIQ> or one's own 18:17 <[Demo]> a lot of them are ignorant and wrong 18:17 <[Demo]> i have no idea why im playing dnh or why i enjoy it 18:18 <K2> lay off the drugs 18:18 <FIQ> take a variant's goals, or what is seemingly its goals 18:18 <FIQ> and mock them 18:18 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:18 <FIQ> including suggesting completely pointless/ridiculous features for slex 18:18 <FIQ> adding awkward/dumb symmetry to fiqhack 18:19 <FIQ> or some nerf to xnh 18:19 <K2> FIQ == enabler 18:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Noah (Kni Hum Fem Law), 310 points, T:825, killed by a dwarf 18:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11700 18:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] respite (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 630 points, T:1484, killed by a rabid rat 18:31 -!- tubs has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:32 <K2> hah... its snowing a fair amount right now 18:32 <[Demo]> it snowed here a little 18:32 <[Demo]> like.. less than a dusting 18:38 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 18:42 <rld> <@Jendic> upper 40's and sunny, at least in this state 18:42 -!- tubs has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:42 <Grasshopper> overcast... might not be able to go swimming at the beach today... 18:43 <Grasshopper> ... but I'll probably have a go anyway 18:45 <rld> <@Jendic> anyone else glad that spring's finally here? 18:45 <[Demo]> no 18:45 <[Demo]> spring is bad in this area 18:45 <[Demo]> everyone has allergies here when spring comes 18:45 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 18:45 <rld> <@Jendic> it's my favorite season, even with the allergies 18:46 <[Demo]> im in the allergy capital 18:46 <rld> <@Jendic> no more shoveling, no more parkas, it's great 18:46 <[Demo]> yeah we dont really have shoveling here 18:46 <rld> <@Jendic> one of these years I'll get around to checking out those cherry trees, see what all the tourists are raving about 18:47 <rld> <@Jendic> /em lives just outside D.C. 18:47 <rld> <@Jendic> lives 18:47 <[Demo]> and u have shoveling? 18:48 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48 <[Demo]> i figure ur probably on the maryland side and not the nova side then? 18:48 <aosdict> Who is this Em person? :P 18:48 <rld> <@Jendic> Few times a year, yeah 18:48 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:48 <rld> <@Jendic> and you're right, PG county born and raised 18:49 <[Demo]> im afraid one day ill end up in nova 18:52 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 18:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Ixoth, on T:27542 18:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27543 19:02 -!- tubs has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:05 <aosdict> WHOA 19:05 <aosdict> FIQ: I think you will be pleased with xnh walless rooms 19:06 <FIQ> nice 19:09 <aosdict> got to fix a little bug and then will pastebin some 19:16 <aosdict> https://pastebin.com/waFzwMsi 19:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:28507 19:21 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 19:26 <jonadab> @Winsalot Fourk also has auto-generated spoilers that will tell you the stats for things like weapons, see http://jonadab.jumpingcrab.com/nethack-stuff/spoilers-fourk/ 19:26 <aosdict> jonadab: why do that when you could have them in-game? 19:26 <aosdict> Or can you? Don't recall. 19:26 <aosdict> s/can/do 19:27 <jonadab> @Winsalot If your Sylph stopped regenerating, check whether you are wearing some armor that blocks your ability to feel the environment around you. Wood and cloth are ok. Most other armor is problematic. 19:27 <jonadab> aosdict: That is planned as well. 19:27 <jonadab> BUt I think I haven't GART yet. 19:28 <aosdict> GART? 19:28 <aosdict> Got A ... something? 19:29 -!- tubs has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:31 <jonadab> Got A Round Tuit 19:32 <jonadab> https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1156&bih=443&ei=WKbKWvmXM9HGsQWGsbewDw&q=round+tuit&oq=round+tuit&gs_l=img.3..0l9.435.1994.0.2204.12.9.1.2.2.0.117.688.8j1.9.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.12.742....0.ZKdN6MlSpNk&gws_rd=ssl 19:32 <jonadab> Hmm, do you think Google could cram any _more_ superfluous junk into those URLs? 19:33 <[Demo]> yes 19:33 <[Demo]> amazon does it 19:42 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 19:46 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:29689 19:58 -!- Tariru has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] respite (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 643 points, T:1821, killed by a rabid rat 20:25 <aosdict> Oh, is *that* why I can't generate any actual sea monsters? They're all G_NOGEN? 20:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:30741 20:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (mind flayer), on T:2677 20:45 -!- mpt| has quit [] 20:47 <[Demo]> wait, you can't specify random for sea monsters in des files? 20:47 <aosdict> [Demo]: Yes, you can, but this isn't in a des file. 20:48 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 20:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 20:49 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:01 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19 <rld> <@luxidream> why does sam try to murder you if you walk in with conflict active 21:19 <rld> <@luxidream> I thought conflict didn't work in the black market 21:24 <jonadab> Maybe it just doesn't work _in your favor_. 21:26 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 21:32 -!- tubs has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an elf corpse on an altar, on T:4464 21:38 <aosdict> K2: I'm working on unfair-scareless conduct. I expect you to test it rigorously and complain at me when it inevitably fails somehow. 21:56 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:31755 22:24 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 22:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] ahrimen (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 16591 points, T:1251, killed by a gas spore's explosion 22:25 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:43 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 22:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] ahrimen (Sam Hum Mal Law), 26684 points, T:1269, killed by a hill orc 22:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] Mandy (Blue) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 15843 points, T:586, quit 22:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] bath tubs (Luxidream) (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 934908 points, T:57679, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dynahack/dumplog/2018-04-08%2022_59_47%2C%20bath%20tubs-Cav-Dwa-Mal-Law%2C%20ascended.txt 23:04 <rld> <@luxidream> !role 23:04 <Beholder> @luxidream: xnh ranger 23:04 <rld> <@luxidream> !role dyn 23:04 <Beholder> @luxidream: healer 23:04 <aosdict> no go back to that first one 23:05 <aosdict> :P 23:05 <rld> <@luxidream> I might actually 23:05 <rld> <@luxidream> I hate healer 23:06 <rld> <@luxidream> lemme just steal someone's xnh config file 23:06 <aosdict> hothraxxa's maybe 23:11 <rld> <@luxidream> wow, this is pretty in-depth 23:12 <rld> <@luxidream> I usually play with just a menucolor change and pickup $=/?! 23:12 <aosdict> it's 3.6.1, I *highly* recommend status hilites and hitpointbar 23:17 <rld> <@luxidream> nice ranger nerf 23:17 <aosdict> Hm? 23:17 <rld> <@luxidream> cram rations --> eggs 23:17 <aosdict> uh 23:18 <rld> <@luxidream> crap I picked rogue 23:18 <aosdict> oh good 23:18 <aosdict> "How did I manage to mess something up so badly it bled into u_init code?" 23:22 <Tarmunora_> [Demo]: I'm around sometimes 23:23 <Tarmunora_> ...I say six hours after he asks 23:32 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 23:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 cloak of protection", on T:34269 23:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 555 points, T:1723, killed by an invisible gnome lord 23:35 <aosdict> :O 23:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:34275 23:36 <rld> <@luxidream> :9 23:36 <rld> <@luxidream> :(* 23:36 <rld> <@luxidream> I'm bad 23:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:34294 23:48 <rld> <@luxidream> were mind flayers nerfed @aosdict 23:48 <aosdict> Nope, not yet at any rate. 23:48 <bouquet> quothe aosdict, "it's variant paranoia!!" 23:52 <aosdict> anyway how are you far enough in the game to encounter them 23:52 <aosdict> I suppose random minesflayer? 23:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] Dyna (Blue) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3047 points, T:1679, killed by a water demon 23:58 <rld> <@luxidream> minesflayer, yeah 23:58 <rld> <@luxidream> reason I asked was I killed him pretty easily 23:58 <rld> <@luxidream> just ranger power then