00:06 Ouch 00:07 And with that, it's 5AM and time for a nap 00:08 nn all 00:08 -!- tubs has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:11 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism by offering a gnome corpse on an altar of Susanowo, on T:7782 00:35 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 01:18 -!- MysteryMyra has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 01:32 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 01:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 01:35 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:36 -!- stenno is now known as Guest75206 01:41 -!- Guest75206 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:20 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:22 [hdf-us] [nh4] cpittman (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 27012 points, T:1772, killed by a dwarf 02:30 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53 [hdf-us] [fh] mccabe (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 19242 points, T:986, killed by a dwarf zombie 02:53 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 02:53 [hdf-us] [fh] mrs miller (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5277 points, T:87, killed by a falling rock 03:06 [hdf-us] [fh] mccabe (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the elf zombie of mccabe, the former Evoker, on T:1221 03:19 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:19 . 03:19 Beholder: what, no messages? 03:21 oh, I guess we'll have to wait for Tariru to return; his save will still crash but at least now the core dump will give a more useful backtrace that allows me to pinpoint where it went wrong (I hope) 03:23 [hdf-us] [fh] mccabe (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the ghost of Winsometimes, the former Cutpurse, on T:2309 03:25 !tell jonadab If you provide a windows build of Fourk without the installer, I'll test it ;) 03:25 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 03:27 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 03:27 Guten Tag! 03:27 Hello tubs, Welcome to #hardfought 03:27 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 03:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:44 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:54 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 03:56 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:24 meh 04:34 -!- mpt| has joined #hardfought 04:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:35 -!- mpt| has quit [Client Quit] 04:37 [hdf-us] [dyn] FIQQY FAZBEAR (Luxidream) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 174584 points, T:57503, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dynahack/dumplog/2018-04-08%2004_37_43%2C%20FIQQY%20FAZBEAR-Arc-Hum-Fem-Law%2C%20ascended.txt 04:39 Grtz luxi! 04:40 Who isn't here... 04:40 <@luxidream> thanks! 04:40 Ah, rld 04:40 Cursed relays 04:40 <@luxidream> I'm on the discord side... 04:40 *nodno* 04:40 nod 04:40 No one's perfectr! 04:40 Especially not my typing :-\ 04:42 <@luxidream> !role dyn 04:42 @luxidream: knight 04:42 <@luxidream> no 04:42 <@luxidream> !role dyn 04:42 @luxidream: archeologist 04:42 <@luxidream> kno 04:42 <@luxidream> !role dyn 04:42 @luxidream: knight 04:42 <@luxidream> !role dyn 04:42 @luxidream: archeologist 04:42 we ♥ the RNG :) 04:42 <@luxidream> I just won these two dammit 04:42 <@luxidream> !role dyn 04:42 @luxidream: caveman 04:43 <@luxidream> !race dyn 04:43 @luxidream: elf 04:43 <@luxidream> !race dyn 04:43 @luxidream: vampire 04:43 <@luxidream> !race dyn 04:43 @luxidream: dwarf 04:43 <@luxidream> k 04:43 !who 04:43 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] 04:43 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [slex] tubs [dnh] 04:44 !whereis AmyBSOD 04:44 tubs: [hdf-us] AmyBSOD is not currently playing on this server. 04:44 tubs: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [slex]: No details available 04:44 sorry, whois is only in the development version 04:44 err, whereis 04:44 (why do I always say "whois"?) 04:44 <@luxidream> !coffee tubs 04:44 * Beholder throws tubs a cup of cafe latte, fermented by demogorgon at 209 Kelvin. 04:45 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:45 <@luxidream> that's pretty cold 04:45 LarienTelrunya: because you are a gentle philospher 04:45 "Who even are we?" 04:45 :D 04:45 <@luxidream> !coffee luxidream 04:45 * Beholder hands luxidream a cup of Blend 43, conjured by FCCBot at 37 degrees Celsius. 04:46 I am 90% sure K2 has eu.hardfought set up to detect when you're in sokoban and send in lag ._. 04:46 <@luxidream> I was getting lag in the US server too 04:46 oh it's lagging for you too? I thought it was my connection again 04:46 <@luxidream> I had to reconnect several time last ascension run 04:46 <@luxidream> *times 04:46 Aren't you in great deutchland with the perfect internet!? 04:47 tubs: well I'm living in a small village on a hill where the internet is shitty; 50 meters over, on the other hill, it's about 3 times as fast :P 04:48 Ahh, alas 04:48 I bet it's really pretty though 04:49 I love holidaying in Germany, I always go to Bad Reichenhall 04:49 Arrrgghh, fireworks carts, maxhp, noo 04:49 there are indeed nice parts of Germany, I guess I'm living in one (my job takes me to all kinds of places and the one I'm living in is really one of the most beautiful :D) 04:51 LarienTelrunya: what is your job (other than slex)? :o 04:52 driving around by train and interviewing people to find out how much (or not) they like the "Deutsche Bahn" (german railway company) 04:52 which usually means travelling for several hundred km on each tour ;) 04:52 Ah that sounds pretty fun, I take it you get to code on trains a lot? 04:53 hahaha that would be great, but alas, nope; I do collect ideas for slex during the breaks though 04:53 the actual coding is done at home 04:56 Ah fair enough, I used to get to travel loads for work, but not anymore :( 04:57 LOL my slex character currently has -50 AC on dungeon and experience level 11 04:58 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:58 Oh yeah, what is Gray Fuckery? 04:58 an armor that makes everything display in shades of grey, and I think it gives magic resistance too 04:59 I got it while playing on the tube, then got syphilis 04:59 the person sitting next to me was looking over my shoulder and coughed :( 04:59 morning 05:00 haha, he was watching you play? :D 05:00 aosdict: actual morning! kind of 05:00 morning! 05:01 my idea of time is a bit fucked up because yesterday I got up at 4:15 and last night I went to bed at about that time 05:01 I did have about 3 1/2 hours of sleep in the evening 05:01 Good morning all! 05:01 LarienTelrunya: yes, most people read on the tube, but I just finished a 13 book series and I am too emotionally distraught to start another. 05:02 Am I allowed to blow up a drawbridge from far away? 05:02 In dnh 05:03 @luxidream did that nymph just steal half your inventory? 05:03 tubs: heh, I also often get emotionally distraught when reading books; I read the entire Twilight and 50 Shades of Fucked Up series *shiver* Never again! Who writes such garbage anyway??? 05:03 <@luxidream> yes 05:03 <@luxidream> yes it did 05:04 LarienTelrunya: there are so many better things in the world to read! 05:04 raisse: indeed! but even if I read something like Harry Potter or The Hunger Games, I still get emotionally distraught 05:04 Don't read Malazan Book of the Fallen then 05:05 You will dehydrate to death 05:06 LarienTelrunya: if you want to read something really light and fun with some magic, I recommend these books by a friend of mine http://www.emepps.com/category/books/ 05:07 especially the magical romances are fun, and not emotionally draining 05:07 hmm, maybe 05:08 lately I've not had much time for reading books at all though, since I'm constantly doing slex work :/ gotta meet that deadline! 05:08 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 05:14 Vlad just seduced me; I feel... dirty. 05:26 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:26 Also did they really need to make magicbane both iron *and* silver? :- 05:27 what? dnethack allows items to be of several materials at once??? wtf 05:27 Must be special cased 05:28 *checks* 05:30 There's an arti_silvered, but magicbane isn't there 05:33 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:33 Not sure 05:35 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:36 -!- stenno is now known as Guest65328 05:45 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 05:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 05:51 Incantifier priest is hilarious on the quest... you can spam the 1-turn #turn 05:54 -!- Guest65328 has quit [Changing host] 05:54 -!- Guest65328 has joined #hardfought 05:54 -!- Guest65328 is now known as stenno 06:11 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 06:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:22 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 06:26 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:30 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 06:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 06:32 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:34 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Wiz Tro Mal Law) killed the zyborg of Tmasher, the former Metal Woman, on T:2131 06:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:47 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:48 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Wiz Tro Mal Law), 18822 points, T:2910, quit 06:55 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Sag Tro Mal Law), 17 points, T:114, killed by a monster (goblin) 07:02 Who is ttc1401? 07:02 no idea, but he plays slex, which makes me very happy :) 07:02 Now I feel bad I don't play it as much! 07:03 Emotional blackmail 07:03 haha, no problem, I consider dnethack the next best thing after slex (that's why I made dnhslex after all) :D 07:03 YASI: Emotional Blackmailer, drains wis unless you #chat to it! 07:03 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:03 :D 07:03 I think SLASH'EM was my first (variant) love 07:04 But hilariously imbalanced 07:04 yeah, regular slashem is ultra hard in the beginning but gives you a huge monty haul segment in the midgame, and then the lategame is incredibly boring 07:04 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Sag Tro Mal Law), 1456 points, T:573, drowned in a moat by a hata-mata 07:05 omg, 1200 /* In Soviet Russia, people only know dogs, cats and maybe horses. Everything else cannot be tamed, and variety 07:05 1201 * is also something that absolutely no one likes. Communism means everyone gets the same, so you can't have an 07:05 1202 * exotic pet! If you do then you'll "vanish" silently, like all the other lawbreakers. --Amy */ 07:05 Is that the SLASH'THEM compat? 07:06 yes: if you add OPTIONS=hybridsoviet to your config file, you'll play SLASHTHEM Extended :D 07:06 I'm surprised you don't have a vanilla, slash'em, etc. race x 07:06 :x 07:07 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 07:07 well, SLASHTHEM is "special" because it's a variant of slex 07:07 oh, hi Tariru! can you please try to load your game on hdf-us? it will probably still crash but I made changes that should allow us to get a better backtrace so I can hopefully track down the bug 07:08 Sure, I'll do that now. 07:08 Tariru: Message from K2 at 2018-04-07 22:46 EDT: please try loading your game again, let me know how it goes 07:08 Ah right - I had alwasys thought it was a variant of slashem, parallel to slex 07:08 Alright, just did that, and got the crash again. 07:08 recovery successful and then back to dgamelaunch? 07:09 when trying to watch you, my terminal crashed :P 07:09 It just threw me back to dgamelaunch, didn't even ask about recovery first. 07:09 oh, apparently K2 had used recovery locally, or something 07:10 That'd explain it. 07:10 anyway, we need K2 now 07:10 !tell K2 alright, Tariru reproduced the crash; there should be a new core dump now. Can you please generate a backtrace of that in gdb? I'm hoping it will now give me the exact location in display.c that caused it 07:10 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 07:10 ./recover -d level/5Tariru.0 07:10 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-08 07:10 EDT: alright, Tariru reproduced the crash; there should be a new core dump now. Can you please generate a backtrace of that in gdb? I'm hoping it will now give me the exact location in display.c that caused it 07:10 ./recover: cannot chdir to level/5Tariru.0. 07:11 recover binary doiesnt work 07:11 doesnt 07:11 WTF 07:11 never seen that with any other variant 07:11 that must be because of the update I made? 07:11 ding ding ding 07:11 i have exactly 3 min before i have to leave again 07:11 oh 07:12 okay, can you please get me a backtrace of the new core dump in those 3 min? ;) 07:12 in the meantime I'll probably roll back to the old recover routine 07:12 no i cant 07:12 one wasnt produced 07:13 nooooooooooooooo! :( 07:13 LarienTelrunya: when i get back i'll give you Tariru save 07:13 you can troubleshoot all day long then 07:13 actually... 07:13 one sec 07:14 give her the backup too 07:14 the save might b e useless/incomplete 07:14 *be 07:15 LarienTelrunya see pm please 07:15 i have to go now 07:15 got it :) 07:15 thanks! 07:16 now I have to somehow get that save onto the esm server to test 07:16 and hope it even loads there 07:17 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Sag Tro Mal Law), 1016 points, T:651, quit 07:20 esm erver? 07:21 yes, that's the server I maintain, i.e. I have root there so I can conduct testing 07:21 hopefully the version of slex we have there will load your save! 07:24 What's the worst that can happen? 07:24 jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-04-08 03:25 EDT: If you provide a windows build of Fourk without the installer, I'll test it ;) 07:24 What could possibly go wrong? 07:24 I'm sure it'll load just fine. 07:24 Everything will be fine. 07:24 Nothing can go wrong. 07:26 gah, configuration incompatibility of course :( 07:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:27 damn, that means I simply can't test with the save at all now 07:27 I guess I could at least see whether the changed recovery code really trashes things 07:28 FIQ: actual morning? 07:28 LarienTelrunya: Just compile a version with the other configuration :-) 07:28 how do I pull a specific branch again? git pull origin slex-2.1.7 ? 07:29 hmm, apparently that works 07:30 Not sure, I almost never use pull. 07:30 I git remote update 07:30 And then checkout what I want to checkout or merge what I want to merge. 07:30 well I guess that's because you're not a server administrator ;) 07:31 okay, slex updated on esm and the dummy save I was using still loads, so at least I didn't accidentally break saves 07:31 I think it's more likely because I haven't had an "origin" branch on my NH4 and Fourk repositories since gitorious died. 07:31 Which was like a month or two after I started using git. 07:32 Err, origin *remote 07:32 alright, time to segfault slex on purpose now to check what the recover code is doing 07:32 I have other repos that do have origin remotes, of course; but I'm used to doing things the way I do with NH4 and Fourk, because those are my most active git projects. 07:32 wizmode #segfault ? 07:33 lol nope, missingno transformation (the segfault is removed in the development version btw, because it's a security loophole) 07:33 Segfaults are often security-relevant, yes. 07:35 I believe security people usually consider segfaults "almost certainly" a security problem unless proven otherwise. 07:35 yeah, that's why I finally came to my senses and decided to remove it 07:37 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:37 :D 07:37 rip wins 07:38 <@Winsalot> ... 07:38 Frost Brand syndrome 07:38 <@Winsalot> more like mumak syndrome 07:39 <@Winsalot> there should be a statistic that shows to which letter I have died the most times 07:39 <@Winsalot> because I feel like it will be q 07:39 To much qq 07:39 Not enough pewpew! 07:39 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Sag Tro Mal Law), 4583 points, T:1206, killed by a bullet 07:39 Fuck I need to cook a chicken now 07:39 leocrottas are quite nasty for as early as they show up. 07:40 First time you die to a leocrotta... it's certainly an experience! 07:40 mumak are only speed 9, though, so you can almost always outrun them. 07:40 <@Winsalot> rothes are also nasty if you are very low lvl 07:40 "What's this little red cow over there? Why is it moving so fast?? WHERE DID MY HP GO??" 07:40 Especially when the gang up on you winsalot! 07:40 The thing about rothes is that you can run into groups of four or more of them. 07:41 If they only ever occured individually, I think they would not be any more dangerous than the average monster at their depth. But they come in groups. 07:41 They're still not nearly as bad as ants, though. 07:42 Ooh, YANI: that's what I could do to make quasits more interesting: make them generate in large groups! 07:42 <@Winsalot> well, at least when you see ants you always know that you are in some serious shit 07:42 !tell K2 weird, the changed recover code works when I use it on the other server; anyway, I made a reverting commit on the slex-2.1.7 branch that reinstates the old recover code, maybe that will help. I guess the best course of action would be to roll back to the working backup of Tariru's save at this point, though. 07:42 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 07:42 <@Winsalot> when you see q, it's hard to judge how much of a problem they will be 07:43 Agreed with that 07:44 Huge variety in speed if nothing else 07:44 Eh, it's not too bad. red q: you can't run, so stand your ground and pray. group of q: better get to a corridor or other bottleneck. Any other q: outrun or kite. 07:44 This is assuming you have intrinsic speed before you start seeing things like baluchitherium. 07:44 But that's generally the case. 07:45 <@Winsalot> but I mean, sometimes I slice through rothes like butter, sometimes single rothe fucks me up 07:45 red q as anything fragile: put on your brown pants and try to escape 07:45 variance yo! 07:45 They are d3 d3 d8 07:45 So big damage range they can put out 07:45 You don't need to put on brown pants; if you see a red q as a squishy early-game character, your pants are going to naturally turn brown when you poop yourself. 07:46 jonadab: That's why you put the pants on, so no one will ever know. :) 07:46 Ah. 07:50 Turns out I don't even have a chicken, so now I need to troop through the rain to Little Waitrose. Curses. Seeya all in a bit! 07:50 -!- tubs has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:52 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:58 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:3894 08:06 <@Winsalot> is it possible to enchant stackable items? 08:06 <@Winsalot> Like 15 daggers all at once? 08:06 Yes. 08:07 Or 50 elven daggers all at once. Or 200 arrows all at once. 08:07 <@Winsalot> good 08:08 Ranger would be one of the most powerful roles, if levitation didn't block multi-fire and/or weren't effectively mandatory on several particularly important levels. 08:15 I think that was one of the initial impetuses for saying we need to work on fixing the speed system (which has now stalled...) 08:16 Because a very fast Ranger can fire off 4-5 missiles, *2 to 3 times per turn*. 08:17 <@Winsalot> Does it mean I can eat cockatrices now? 08:17 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/432514209570619402/Screenshot_2018-04-08_15-16-42.png 08:18 jonadab: The main reason that that's stalled is that if you take it to its logical, symmetrical end, all fighting without moving would occur at speed 12. And I'm not sure that really works. Any thoughts? 08:24 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Gol Tro Mal Law), 2413 points, T:1008, quit 08:39 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Ran Tro Mal Law) averted death, on T:926 08:39 FIQ: "killed by a Mr. Izchak, the shopkeeper's wand" 08:39 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Ran Tro Mal Law), 597 points, T:926, killed by a monster (heisenbug), while helpless 08:45 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 08:46 Now I am moist and damp and icky. 08:51 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 08:54 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:03 aosdict: Is it 4-5 missiles, or is it 1-5 missiles average 3? 09:04 4-5 as a theoretical max. 3 or 2.5 as a realistic average. 09:04 Bear in mind, a very fast samurai can whack foes upside the head with +7 Excalibur and a +7 long sword, 2-3 times per turn. 09:04 Or with the Tsurugi, at 1d8+2db+1d8. 09:05 Err, 1d8+2d6+1d8 09:05 Yes, the damage output here is not really the point, it's the speed and how that amplifies damage output. 09:05 Plus enchantment bonus, plus skill bonus. 09:05 Sure. 09:05 But I think it's reasonable for rangers to have a _similar_ power level as melee fighters. 09:06 So, my initial idea was, if you do something that's not a move, you forfeit your remaining movement points. 09:06 Though vanilla Samurai is a bit unfair, because expert two-weapon Excalibur + katana is OP. 09:06 aosdict: Ah. 09:06 Hmm. 09:06 But then what if you have a ton of movement points from being in a very fast polyform like an air elemental? 09:06 And then, shouldn't air elementals not be able to attack you any faster than speed 12, for symmetry? 09:07 Polyform not changing your moverate until next turn is a separate issue, IMO. 09:07 Right, monsters should get the same nerfs as players here. 09:07 Meaning that if you have a duel with a monster, and neither of you is moving, it's just I swing, you swing, I swing, you swing... regardless of relative speeds. 09:07 Though you could do something sneaky like not count engulfing attacks when the victim is already engulfed. 09:07 Which is the part that seems wrong. 09:08 Which _in practice_ would mostly buff the Plane of Air. 09:08 But in principle it's symetric, if the player can also engulf. 09:08 (Which I think is not fully implemented? But so fix that.) 09:09 Yeah, but the question is, we know that this proposed system is symmetric, great. Is it a _good_ system that speed is only useful for movement ever? 09:09 Hmm. 09:09 I would be ok with ants being impossible to outrun but only attacking once per round. 09:09 But I'd have to think through the list of monsters. 09:09 Don't have time this morning, about to leave. 09:10 But it's a good question. 09:16 aosdict: you complained once when I said morning when it was afternoon here 09:18 jonadab: I think certain segfaults are entirely safe? 09:18 pretty sure dereferencing NULL will just kill your program before it tries to do anything weird 09:19 Assuming the mere fact that it crashed isn't a security problem, that is (such as a firewall, AV, etc) 09:20 <@Tone> aosdict If you could only attack once per turn, I think jumping boots would become preferable to speed in almost every scenario 09:20 <@Tone> Actually jumping ends your turn though so at least you could move and attack with speed boots? 09:21 jumping drains your nutrition 09:21 not by a lot, but it adds up 09:21 also, using jumping optimally is really annoying 09:21 <@Tone> Agreed on both counts 09:21 <@Tone> I've played a few games jumping as much as possible 😄 09:22 <@Tone> But if you aren't going for a low turncount then you don't care about either of those really 09:23 aosdict: In ADOM, the speed boots equivalent only improves movement speed 09:23 by 4/3 09:23 <@Tone> I guess there are also scenarios like when you are levitating where you can't jump either 09:42 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:7742 09:43 So yeah, I guess jumping would have to be nerfed then? I mean, it sort of does anyway; you can ALREADY use it to go faster than speed boots will allow. 09:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided disenchanter, on T:24797 09:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided arch-lich, on T:24798 10:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) averted death, on T:11941 10:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) was given their Quest, on T:12792 10:13 Is there any technical reason why spell levels stop at 7? 10:13 Could we have level 8 or 9 spells, if we wanted to? 10:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) was given the Gauntlets of Spell Power, on T:13966 10:24 <[Demo]> ok this is dumb 10:24 <[Demo]> im a vampire and i cant wear iron gop 10:24 <[Demo]> but i can wear silver gop 10:27 aosdict: no technical reason, but you'd need to add new failure results 10:27 when reading 10:28 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:28 Beholder: what's up? 10:28 hmm, not much it seems 10:31 <[Demo]> something is wrong with convict when i can squeeze myself onto a boulder while wearing cpm 10:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Warden Arianna, on T:17330 10:55 <[Demo]> any dnh convict players in here? 10:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) became the Glory of Arioch, on T:17646 11:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tariru (Nob Inc Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2464 11:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tariru (Nob Inc Mal Law) was given the Rod of Lordly Might, on T:2636 11:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:18 -!- deadnoob has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 11:33 TROPHY GET! ancient orange dragon polymorph ftw! (I ♥ polymorphitis :)) 11:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:38 [hdf-us] [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Mal Law), 9345 points, T:4622, killed by a minotaur 11:40 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:52 YANI: Peaceful monsters are peaceful to both the player and hostiles. Since xnh has player peaceful displacement, hostile monsters should be able to displace too. 11:52 Meaning that you can hide behind a pet, but not peacefuls. 11:54 WTF, I'm just discovering that slex tracks the training of skills that you don't actually have, i.e. behind the scenes the game still increases the training counter for those... 12:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:51964 12:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:51966 12:06 [hdf-us] [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law), 107 points, T:276, burned by a tower of flame 12:12 <[Demo]> im pretty sure this convict is actually a pirate 12:13 <[Demo]> the number of random artifacts ive found is insane 12:24 [hdf-us] [nd] redshirt (Rog Orc Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5790 12:25 <[Demo]> wow i just got lucky 12:25 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 12:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed +2 tiny silver dragon scale shield", on T:22391 12:31 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Ran Agb Mal Law), 15099 points, T:3419, quit 12:34 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:35 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 12:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Axus, on T:23630 12:47 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 12:47 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 12:47 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:55 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 12:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:24235 13:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Sir Garland, on T:24636 13:03 FIQ: Yes, if the cause of the segfault is known, there are some times when security people can categorically say it's not exploitable. 13:04 But this tends to be the exception rather than the rule. 13:08 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:09 -!- theRaisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 13:09 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:14 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed the Nightmare, on T:25328 13:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:25376 13:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:25380 13:18 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- theRaisse has quit [Client Quit] 13:19 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:20 -!- theRaisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:25563 13:21 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:25598 13:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) killed Garland, on T:25737 13:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) destroyed Chaos, on T:25754 13:41 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 13:47 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 13:48 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Elp Elf Mal Law), 4744 points, T:1682, killed by a monster (pole duck) 13:51 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Elp Elf Mal Law), 32 points, T:176, killed by a monster (ant general) 13:52 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:57 <@luxidream> "You are falling down an unbelievably deep shaft! While falling you wonder how unlikely it is to find such a deep shaft." 13:58 <@luxidream> lol 13:59 !whereis luxidream 13:59 aosdict: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn]: No details available 13:59 <@luxidream> can't say I've ever seen that before 14:00 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Elp Ang Mal Law), 1270 points, T:982, killed by a bullet 14:02 @luxidream Ranger quest? 14:02 <@luxidream> I dropped 6 levels in the main dungeon 14:03 ah 14:03 ouch 14:03 EPI: Ranger quest locate level pits drop you into Moloch's Sanctum. But there aren't any upstairs since you haven't done the Invocation. 14:03 <[Demo]> get shafted 14:05 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Elp Ang Mal Law), 287 points, T:416, killed by a monster (ice mimic) 14:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Con Vam Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Center of All, on T:28148 14:11 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:14 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:37 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 14:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:46 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Elp Ang Mal Law), 19357 points, T:2585, killed by a monster (penultimate kappa) 14:52 <[Demo]> nearly flawless ry'leh run 14:53 [Demo]: how do you even do such a long, boring, repetitive dungeon without falling asleep in front of the monitor :D 14:54 he closes his eyes and thinks of amy 14:54 <[Demo]> its just so loot filled 14:55 <[Demo]> chris messed up convict by making it not suck too much 14:56 <[Demo]> well im not really sure what im supposed to do for ranged attacks 14:56 darts? do convicts get that skill in dnh? 14:56 <[Demo]> they get sling 14:57 <[Demo]> but im not using a fucking sling cause im not a shitty convict 14:57 <[Demo]> im a word class elite criminal mastermind 14:57 says here they can get skilled in daggers 14:57 that'd be good enough for me 14:57 and also skilled in dart and expert in knife 14:57 yeah, knife sucks 14:58 i've played a lot of healers and never once advanced knife 14:58 wasn't there someone who multishot knives as a healer? 14:58 <[Demo]> yeah someone did 14:58 <[Demo]> i might consider maxing knife and doing that 14:58 <[Demo]> cause my spoon is a knife 14:58 LarienTelrunya: long boring repetitive dungeon? tower of yendor much? 14:58 <[Demo]> and my spoon is pretty good if my target is crippled and i can get that backstab 14:58 at least in slex, soldiers often have knives, not sure if that's also the case in dnh 14:58 <[Demo]> amy you'd like dnh convict 14:59 <[Demo]> they get a shit ton of weight capacity 14:59 that's the other problem with knoves. it's way late before you can accumulate any 14:59 knives 14:59 aosdict: the problem is that in dnethack, you fight the same boring chaff monsters for 25 levels in that quest 14:59 [Demo]: ahh, the glitchy ball of glitchiness :P 14:59 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?1914 15:00 does anyone miss the good old iron ball of liberation? 15:00 ok that one is hilarious 15:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:02 Wouldn't giving you its weight in extra carry cap do net zero no matter how high it was? 15:03 !who 15:03 aosdict: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] Demo2 [dnh] hothraxxa [xnh] 15:03 aosdict: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [slex] 15:03 maybe it gives you the extra weight even while it's not in inventory? 15:03 although I guess that would be awkward, because you'll be moving at half speed, plus rust monsters would be able to eat the ball away 15:04 rust monsters eating your balls sound like an slex thing to me 15:05 LOL :D 15:08 <[Demo]> i still havent found a boh 15:08 <[Demo]> and im still not totally fucked with weight issues 15:09 <@luxidream> I don't think the iron ball increases carrycap 15:10 <@luxidream> unless that's a slashem thing and not an unnethack thing 15:10 <[Demo]> its a dnh thing 15:11 <@luxidream> okay because I went through inventory hell in dyna because I used CPM while having to carry the ball 15:11