00:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:48306 00:10 been carrying this wand around forever and finally decided to engrave ID it... 00:10 hah nice I thought you were at the castle 00:10 I've been trying to find some MR before I go there or quest. 00:10 Well now you have some. 00:11 [ hdf-us] [slex] Demo (Mon Ang Mal Cha), 8158 points, T:1887, killed by a monster (Demogorgon) 00:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:48323 00:13 aosdict: favor to ask... I'm going to be on vacation for the next 10 days and unlikely to connect to HF to play xnh... please don't introduce anything that breaks saved games :) 00:14 nice :d 00:14 no chance of that 00:14 doesnt matter 00:14 any reason to wait for id engrave? 00:14 enjoy your vacation 00:14 if a variant comes out with a save breaking change, we set dgl here to offer both (old and new) 00:14 I will git clone your xnh so I have something to look through and compile while I'm stuck on the plane. 00:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:48324 00:15 you'll play old version until game complete (die or ascend) then you transition to newest build 00:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:48325 00:15 so save break away 00:16 cool, thanks for the reassurance 00:16 no worries 00:17 and added piece of mind- server is backed up daily ;) 00:17 I'll give YOU a piece of my mind 00:17 heh 00:17 *peace 00:17 gdammit 00:18 careful aosdict, if you keep that up soon you'll lose your mind ;) 00:18 what if I drink a potion of restore ability? 00:20 YANI/EPI: Each unicorn horn restores one specific affliction, so e.g. one only works to cure blindness, another only cures sickness, etc. 00:23 ft ludios portal dlvl 11 00:23 not ready for that yet 00:25 aosdict: considering the number of unihorns I collect in game for polyfodder that's not a bad idea. 00:26 heh, my ludios was on lvl 12 00:27 cue "it's a conspiracy by aosdict! he changed ludios!" 00:28 i didnt start with grayswandir as an arc. conspiracy!! 00:33 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:36 how hard is it to kill a peaceful priest at an altar? 00:37 my god was displeased when I prayed and now the damn priest has all my Ludios money 00:37 and my 10 points of protection are gone :( 00:37 xnh didn't change priests at all 00:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:49649 00:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) genocided class L, on T:49653 00:44 why are mindflayers in the "h" class? Ilithids are pretty alien, in fact some D&D mythos considers them from another planet. 00:45 it's the same reason minotaurs are "H" 00:45 they start both start with m 00:45 they're bipedal, have two arms, a torso and a head right? 00:46 is that the actual logical reason? 00:46 wait do they have legs or tentacles 00:46 illithid have tentacles for mouth 00:46 yeah but do they have them for feet 00:47 i wouldn't put it past imagination to give them tentacle toes 00:54 I was under the impression they had tentacle legs like squid. 01:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:51768 01:01 <@mtf> oh my god 01:01 <@mtf> VR MMO's 01:01 <@mtf> are the future 01:02 <@mtf> I have never had more fun interacting with a community of people in my entire life 01:02 <@mtf> well, maybe other than here 😛 01:03 we love you too mtf 01:03 ooh I just discovered why you often get levels that consist of a lot of up and down switchbacks 01:06 VM nethack is the future. 01:06 *VR 01:07 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:07 heh, you can play VM nethack any time you like 01:39 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:57 -!- MysteryMyra has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:34 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Quit: Derezzed] 03:25 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:29 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:34 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:55 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:08 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:10 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:10 -!- MiseryMyra has joined #hardfought 04:10 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 04:11 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:12 -!- FIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:13 -!- Mandevil has joined #hardfought 04:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Mandevil] by ChanServ 04:15 -!- FIQ has joined #hardfought 04:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o FIQ] by ChanServ 04:26 -!- shpingrlde has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:28 -!- FIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:31 -!- FIQ has joined #hardfought 04:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o FIQ] by ChanServ 04:36 -!- shpingrlde has joined #hardfought 04:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v shpingrlde] by ChanServ 04:55 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 05:11 Evil Patch idea: monsters can zap your stash chests with wands of teleportation just to piss you off, or pick them up and then intentionally use trap doors/level teleporters. 05:21 just loot them 05:28 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:28 oh, I guess that would also work :D super evil patch idea: monsters rummage through your stash chest and break all wands, throw all potions against walls etc. just to aggravate you. Except if it's something they benefit from using, e.g. potions of full healing, which they instantly use on themselves. 05:29 and I guess if they get their hands on a magic marker they'll write scrolls of light and confuse monster with it, or spellbooks of detect food :P 05:43 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 05:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:00 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 06:05 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 06:05 Tariru: foundanymorebranches? 06:05 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:07 probably not, at least his amulet is still at 1/3 imbues 06:09 ok 06:10 level 62 atm 06:10 i.e. a bit over a third of the way up 06:13 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 06:13 Good day to you all! 06:14 To You, too 06:26 Evil Patch idea: a mind flayer that can conceal underneath items and is not detected by telepathy. 06:26 Bonus evil patch idea: and is invisible to boot. 06:30 Wait what, female drow Ana attack 4d8 barehanded??? 06:31 LarienTelrunya: I really dislike invisiblity because it is so binary, makes playing roles who don't have it feel really punished, and those who do just bleh. :-\ 06:31 it being see invisble* 06:32 yeah; slex adds another layer of invisibility that turns things invisible in a way that cannot be detected by see invisible :D 06:36 Ah, that's good! 06:36 LarienTelrunya: did you remove the AD_SHDW from Drow Ana, or was it added after you ported? 06:37 huh, I know nothing about any AD_SHDW 06:37 I'm just not 100% sure I'm reading the source correctly, I'm not really familiar with how stuff works. 06:37 it must be a dnethack thing 06:38 and while I did fork the development version of dnethack, all I really did was to fix some obvious bugs and add some "amyfication" to it, i.e. I don't know what most of the dnethack-specific stuff actually does 06:41 "if((u.specialSealsActive&SEAL_BLACK_WEB) && u.spiritPColdowns[PWR_WEAVE_BLACK_WEB] > moves+20){", I'm not sure if the 'u.spiritPColdowns > blah' is trying to say if the power is active or not active, or on cooldown. .-> 06:42 oh... dnethack binders are a riddle wrapped up in an enigma IMHO, I've never been able to even bind a spirit in the first place 06:42 I bound my first last night! :D 06:43 But female Drown Ana are perma-bound to "The Black Web" 06:43 whenever I try to draw a seal, stepping off it immediately scuffs it and then I can't talk to it to bind the spirit :( 06:43 am I just missing something obvious or is this mechanic really some sort of hit-or-miss retardery (i.e. you must get very lucky to not scuff the seal)? 06:45 I used the starting knife to engrave the first seal 06:45 But yeah I could never ever get it to work with engraving with - 06:46 I think you can only get one engraving with the knife before it goes dull 06:46 But then I just picked up random engrave-y weapons on the way 06:46 lol I'm almost inclined to say "10/10 design" here :P 06:46 And then died pretty quickly because it is too hard! :D 06:46 PS: what on earth is the menu bug? 06:46 And why did it prolong my pain and suffering so much!? 06:47 you mean the menu bug in slex? were you playing a DQ slime? 06:47 No, I was a Redguard Diver. 06:47 And yes slex! 06:47 menu bug means that you can't use certain commands, but can do "perilous life saving" when you die, which erases all your items and known spells and drains 2 levels in exchange for resurrecting you 06:49 What was weird was I got a level with loads of "open" shops, which are horrible because I couldn't tell where the "border" was, but the first time I walked out with something the shopkeeper reminded me, so it was fine, second time he let me walk out then the guard descended like a rash after an ill-advised drinking sleepover. 06:50 The guard captain stole my lightsaber, I fell through a hole and got gang banged by invisible scary things all the time being brought back from the dead so I could get pounded again. :( 06:50 what, you mean the second time you got no warning about holding unpaid stuff? 06:50 If you'll excuse my imagery. 06:50 Yeah, 90% sure. 06:51 I'll have to look at the ttyrec 06:51 I bet I fat fingered and esc'd through it ._. 06:51 But I was being really careful because I am scared of open shops. 06:51 also, that part about being gangbanged by invisible scary things, I absolutely need to add that as a random epitaph if you permit :P 06:52 I'd be honoured. :-) 06:52 okay, it's on my to-do list now! thanks! 06:53 I'm terrified to think how long that particular list is! 06:53 also I found out why the watch got angry: you freed one of the prisoners by moving next to him, and the guards don't like that 06:54 normally the prisoners would be in walled-off areas too, with obvious "cells", but since the walls were replaced with other train... 06:54 Ah, that makes (twisted-amy) sense, though it's a tiny bit weird there's no warning like the shopkeeper or "bad"-tile-confirmation, 06:54 But I live (or die) and I learn! :D 06:56 the prisoner thing might be familiar if you ever did the tourist quest in vanilla 06:57 I have but it was a looooooong time ago, I think I ascended Ayreon the genocideless wishless tourist. 06:57 But that was... 8 years ago, maybe longer? 06:58 wow so you've been playing Nethack for a long time? I only discovered it 5-6 years ago... 06:58 I started playing at uni on the lab computers, so that would have been about 13 years ago 06:58 And I still suck :-) 07:00 I actually ported a playable version of vanilla to C#/XNA with a whacky control scheme for the Xbox! 07:00 Wait, may have been the '360. 07:00 wow, that sounds like a lot of work 07:00 also, how can you "suck" if you ascended a multi-conduct tourist? 07:00 No-life computer engineer. 07:01 the only role I ever ascended outside of slex is the samurai, so I guess I suck even more :P 07:01 Remember the thing about infinite monkeys and typewriters? I'm like a monkey with infinite games of nethack! :p 07:01 I've ascended SLASHEM exactly once with a valk. 07:02 my slexcensions are scientist, healer, 2x monk, binder, korsair, foxhound agent, barbarian and cavewoman, but all of my 8 non-slex ascensions were samurai 07:03 basically the samurai is the only role I know how to play outside of slex, yet I haven't ascended one in slex 07:03 Wait so you've done neither Samurai nor Otaku in slex? 07:03 heh, I plan to try to ascend a slex samurai in junethack this year 07:08 morning 07:08 !players 07:08 K2: [hdf-us] No current players 07:09 K2: [hdf-eu] tubs [dnh] elenmirie [xnh] 07:10 Morning K2! 07:10 somehow I misread that as !prayers :D 07:10 i like the hitchhikers guide reference there 07:10 monkeys and typewriters 07:14 Bah, now I want to write my own roguelike again ._. 07:15 Wait, when did the Infinite Monkey Theorem become a Hitchhiker's Guide reference? 07:15 That is news to me. 07:17 https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/98208-ford-he-said-there-s-an-infinite-number-of-monkeys-outside 07:18 Ok, so Hitchiker's Guide referenced the thing. I wasn't quite aware of that. But I'm pretty sure it's not a reference _to_ the Hitchhiker's Guide. 07:18 thats how i remember it 07:18 Pretty sure the Infinite Monkey theorem predates and is quite a bit more famous than the Hitchhiker's Guide. 07:19 i'm pretty sure the HG2G is more well known than the infinite monkey theorem 07:19 plus it says 'dont panic' on its cover 07:20 I'll let you have the latter point. 07:20 ;) 07:20 In any case, 4chan is in fact _nothing_ like Shakespeare. 07:24 :D 07:26 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1716 points, T:4303, killed by a soldier ant 07:39 Evil Patch idea: new monster spell "container bust", randomly picks d3 items from each of your currently carried containers and destroys them outright. 07:39 LarienTelrunya: there are probably people in here that have played NetHack before you were born 07:40 is Nethack older than 31 years? Rogue certainly is, but is Nethack too? 07:40 I think nethack was 87 07:40 *pull fact out of ass* 07:40 I was right! 07:40 I only know because it's the same age as me. :-) 07:43 LarienTelrunya: you surely must be younger. :-] 07:43 bhaak: why? 07:44 Would anyone like to see a video of my cat being both graceful and goofy at the same time? 07:44 LarienTelrunya: your frolicking personality. 07:45 well, just because I am physically "old", doesn't mean there's not a little child inside me that wants to have some fun :D 07:45 <@Tone> That container bust would just lead to carrying a bunch of light worthless items in your boh 07:45 you can't have experienced the last 20 years consciously and still be cheerful 07:45 hmm, that might be it. have you been in a coma for a while? 07:46 lol :P 07:46 what was so bad about the last 20 years? 07:47 the net got centralized, politicians throwing out terrorism for anything that they want have changed, financial crisis 07:47 but, fun fact: IRL I'm also always assumed to be at least five years younger than I really am 07:48 anyway, gotta go now, see you later :) 07:48 hi 07:48 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 07:48 * bhaak waves 07:49 financial crisi did not apply to minors 07:49 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:50 oh, I forgot the millenials depression blues 07:50 Oi! Technically I'mn a millenial :( 07:50 everything is our fault 07:50 And stuffed full of Citalopram on a daily basis. 07:51 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 07:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 07:54 So am I right in thinking murder is A-OK for Anachrononauts? 07:54 Because there is no god to anger 07:57 <[Demo]> murder isn't about angering gods 07:58 Alignment can be fixed easily though 07:58 Not worried about quest for ages 07:59 And chaotic so I keep my telepathy 07:59 Which I do not have 08:14 Flavor-wise, if you have no god, your alignment record shouldn't _ever_ change. Who's keeping track of it? 08:22 <[Demo]> the greater good 08:22 <[Demo]> yourself 08:22 <[Demo]> losing telepathy is still losing telepathy 08:22 <[Demo]> i hope neutral anas can lose telepathy for murder 08:22 <[Demo]> because if you get it before the quest you wanna lose it 08:28 ._. 08:28 [Demo]: how come? 08:31 aosdict: YASI: the moment the Ana kills off Ilsensei, all his/her deeds catch up with him/her -- murders, etc 08:32 Also there is something weird with fem drow ana - you are bound to the black web, so you don't attack unarmed, you attack with "shadow blades (AD_SHDW)", but that doesn't exercise unarmed, and doesn't appear to use your signet ring? 08:33 Or am I misinterpreting something badly here? 08:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 09:09 Huh. I never realized there's no such thing as a horizontal closet. 09:11 Really? 09:11 I hadn't noticed ever 09:15 huh, yeah aosdict 09:16 Closets can still generate, but not as a deliberate action I think 09:16 as in, it can still happen by "accident" 09:17 FIQ: ? 09:17 Closets do generate randomly. 09:17 But never horizontally. 09:19 <@Tone> Like on the left or right side of a room? 09:19 @Toner yes 09:19 pfft toner 09:19 <@Tone> huh, never noticed that 09:20 <@Tone> haha 09:20 aosdict: no I mean, horizontal "closets" can generate as part of normal corridoring 09:20 afaik 09:20 but not as an explicit "closet" internal-wise 09:21 <@Tone> but not with a scroll of tele and all, I assume? 09:21 FIQ: possibly. I haven't gone through dig_corridor yet. 09:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:22 @Tone right 09:23 Why is it so sunny today? ._. 09:24 <@Tone> tubs That's just the universe telling you to go outside. You can ignore that 09:24 why go outside when you have nethack 09:24 <@roushguy> What's hardfought? 09:24 <@Tone> Public nethack server and gaming community @roushguy 09:25 <@Tone> This is a bridge to the hardfought irc channel 09:25 <@roushguy> ah, okay 09:26 I could go onto my balcony, but still continue playing nethack.... 09:26 I am a genius! 09:26 Now my mum can't shout at me for "wasting the weather" 09:43 Hmm, looks like there is no such thing as murder for Ana? 09:43 I didn't get the message when I killed a watchman at least. 10:14 [hdf-us] [nh] karlos (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 22 points, T:133, killed by a goblin 10:27 [hdf-us] [nh] karlos (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 473 points, T:1073, killed by a giant bat 10:27 [09:09] Huh. I never realized there's no such thing as a horizontal closet. 10:27 it's interesting you should say that, because i encountered my first ever horizontal closet recently in xnh. i think it was my dwarf valk and i found it because excalibur. i wondered whether they're xnh or 3.6.1 10:28 either way, it's the only one i've ever seen 10:28 I think Grasshopper is correct, a failed corridor can sometimes be a horizontal closet. 10:28 hm. i guess so 10:28 i should have kept reading down 10:29 credit to fiq btw 10:37 [hdf-us] [nh] karlos (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1020 points, T:601, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse 10:39 [hdf-us] [nh] karlos (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 67 points, T:68, killed by a newt 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh] karlos (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 416 points, T:580, killed by a black pudding 10:52 hi 10:52 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 10:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:52 Ahoya K2 10:55 huh 10:55 !lastgame tubs 10:55 tubs: [hdf-us] No last game for tubs on this server. 10:55 tubs: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tubs/dnethack/dumplog/1522936601.dnh.txt 10:57 I thought they preferred to attack zombies to me :-( 11:07 aw yeah. Got my crysknife and silver dagger dual wielded! Can't wait for my YASD. 11:09 :D 11:09 I have a loadstone loaded into my mass-shadow pistol 11:09 Which I believe is d30/d30 ? 11:12 woah 11:13 And I died. To a living lectern :( 11:14 I get addicted to the power of the black web, and tghen forget to shootyshoot stuff 11:19 What does "You feel itchy" mean when putting on an item? In the source it says something to do with healing rate, but I can't grok it too good. 11:29 <@rikersan> tubs: that doesn't work in dnh I don't think 11:29 <@rikersan> generally flint is best but maybe rocks vs zombies? something like that 11:29 <@rikersan> in dnh loadstones do like d5 lol 11:31 rikersan in the code it does 30,30 ? 11:31 <@rikersan> oh really? 11:31 <@rikersan> huh I thought I checked a while ago and it didn't 11:31 ROCK("loadstone", "gray", 0, 10, 500, 1,30,30, -5, 1, 10, 6, MINERAL, CLR_GRAY), 11:31 <@kritixilithos> A rock that weighs several kilos only does d5? Fair enough :P 11:31 With -5 to hit 11:31 <@rikersan> hm ok 11:32 #define ROCK(name,desc,kn,prob,wt,gval,sdam,ldam,hitbon,mgc,nutr,mohs,glass,color) 11:32 <@rikersan> ya 11:32 -!- Blastin_in has joined #hardfought 11:32 <@rikersan> flint is still useful tho 11:32 <@rikersan> zombies are immune to blunt 11:32 Yeah that has +2 to-hit 11:32 <@rikersan> er not immune but 1/4 dmg 11:32 Yeah "ineffective" 11:32 <@rikersan> I've used silver bullets, loadstones, and flint before 11:33 But shadow blades are sooooooo strong 11:33 I mean wtf 11:33 <@rikersan> ikr 11:33 <@rikersan> they don't level well iirc but yea 11:33 It's 4d8 which is stil made 11:33 still* 11:33 <@rikersan> also lol you haven't even seen teh quest yet 11:33 <@rikersan> holy crap it's horrifying 11:33 I am not doing quest until last because everyone say it is scary 11:33 <@rikersan> also whatever you do don't get telepathy 11:34 Ok 11:34 <@rikersan> tubs: generally good idea to dip into the home level to loot the stash of food, scrolls/spbks, and future tech, and then do everything else 11:34 Ahh, no bad bad on the home level? 11:34 <@rikersan> I generally dip that asap, then chaos quest, castle, law, neu (then real quest) 11:34 <@rikersan> tubs: well yes but the quest guardians will try to kill the flayers, U, changed, and deep ones for you 11:35 <@rikersan> as long as you do it quick you'll be ok 11:35 Also it is weird that you can't train unarmed combat 11:35 But there is no skill for shadow blade? 11:35 <@rikersan> martial arts? 11:35 You don't get it as Ana 11:35 <@rikersan> you should as fem drow 11:36 Current skills: 11:36 11:36 Fighting Skills 11:36 bare handed combat [Basic / Grand Master] 11:36 Maybe bug? 11:36 <@rikersan> huh, just bare hands 11:36 You also don't get the #monster to make dark 11:36 <@rikersan> thats intentional 11:36 But like you say it trains martial arts 11:36 <@rikersan> you're not drow 11:36 <@rikersan> you're "myfrafakr" 11:36 so you are stuck at basic forever, which is still fun 11:36 <@rikersan> *myrkalfar 11:36 Fair enough! 11:36 <@rikersan> uh what 11:36 Just seems a bit weird right? 11:36 <@rikersan> wait, holy shit is that actually not training 11:36 Yeah :p 11:37 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG apparently shadow blades/fem myr melee doesn't train bare handed skill? also can they please have martial arts thank you 11:37 Will do, @rikersan! 11:37 <@rikersan> tubs: use your pistol as much as possible tho 11:37 Yeah I train that up super fast 11:37 <@rikersan> anas have a huge problem with a lack of skill slots late-game 11:37 <[Demo]> so play human lol 11:37 <@rikersan> but they're not so fun 11:38 No!!! shadow blades are still way better than martial arts 11:38 4d8 + you get Dark Web 11:38 <@rikersan> yea 11:38 Black Web, which melees every mob adjacent if you attack or move 11:38 <@rikersan> but GM martial arts takes like 15 levels lol 11:38 Ya 11:38 Good thing I can't train it :p 11:38 <[Demo]> in ndnh gm martials arts is totally worth it 11:38 <@rikersan> ikr 11:38 <[Demo]> cause u get a bonus kick attack 11:39 Do you know what the passive effect of "Your soul is bound to the Eddergud"/"Your shadow is wrapped in the black web." is? 11:39 The source code for spirits is... interesting. 11:39 <@rikersan> eddergud is messed up yo 11:39 !tell Chris_ANG https://pastebin.com/vhZ8kyBn 11:39 Will do, tubs! 11:40 <@rikersan> since nobody but traitor male drow really kow I think 11:40 Female drow 11:40 I think? 11:40 <@rikersan> that's not a bug? 11:40 <@rikersan> yeah you'er not traitor tho 11:40 Yes it is, look, the mimic dies, then flows through the web 11:40 <@rikersan> oh 11:40 <@rikersan> nvm 11:40 I am 90% sure this was a bug in vanilla about 12 years ago 11:40 Where if you stood on elbereth and a mob died in a pit, it would die, then run away. 11:41 Probably a different bug though, but reminds me of it! 11:43 Oh maybe the shadow black web makes me immune to passive attacks 11:43 I am sure they are not proccing on e 11:43 me 11:43 whew thank goodness 11:43 an altar 11:43 <@rikersan> yay k2 11:43 (not counting mines) 11:44 Praise be the gods! 11:44 its attended by a cross-aligned priest, but its an altar 11:44 dlvl 19 11:44 rikersan: you reckon it's worth keepiong Sickle Moon? 11:44 <@rikersan> oh fuck yes 11:44 <@rikersan> holy crap yes it's a great weapon 11:45 Restricted though 11:45 <@rikersan> dunno if you get skil in farm tho 11:45 <@rikersan> hm yes still >_> 11:45 <@rikersan> you can always find the necro later 11:45 I died :) 11:45 <@rikersan> and it's great for slow things 11:45 <@rikersan> :( 11:45 I love this combo though, so fast, so fragile! 11:45 <@rikersan> wait shit gime a sec I need to roll a fem hlf and find yer bones 11:45 hlf? 11:45 <@rikersan> ya 11:46 <@rikersan> half dragon 11:46 how come hlf? 11:46 <@rikersan> fem hlf get expert farm implement 11:46 specifically 11:46 ah 11:46 <@rikersan> no matter the role 11:46 <@rikersan> not male tho 11:46 Get dem gurl dragons out in the fields!!! 11:46 <@rikersan> it's from dark souls iirc 11:46 <@rikersan> dev has my hlf ana patch but not on the server :( 11:50 riker no play Ana drowfem! 11:50 JOIN ME 11:50 <@rikersan> ok 11:50 <@rikersan> will do 11:50 <@rikersan> 1 sec need to turn off vpn 11:50 Work vpn? 11:51 <@rikersan> tubs: no but I'm in high school parents have this thing called 'view history' 11:52 <@rikersan> k starting 11:53 <@rikersan> and by starting I mean startscumming for a decent ring 11:53 Hacks! 11:53 <@rikersan> no I just don't want stealth >_> 11:53 PS: Black Bolt does not anger shopkeepers 11:53 And you can kill them at level 1 with it 11:53 ;) 11:53 <@rikersan> wait what 11:53 <@rikersan> are you kidding me 11:54 <@rikersan> holy crap chris please 11:54 Nope 11:54 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG black bolt (myr ana) doesn't anger shk 11:54 Will do, @rikersan! 11:54 Does no one play this combo? :) 11:54 <@rikersan> well tarmunora ascended an attmepted max score game 11:54 <@rikersan> didn't make it tho turns out magicite don't give enough points 11:54 And I'm sorry Mr. Shopkeeper, but if you can't charge/uncurse, ain't no reason for you to be around! 11:55 <@rikersan> well gen store prem ID is nice 11:55 <@rikersan> also armor and weapon shops are great if they enchant 11:57 Yeah 11:57 I keep one gen for id! 11:58 <@rikersan> this guy only has basic ID rip 11:58 <@rikersan> not worth keepign around despite his scrolls 11:59 <@rikersan> this takes forever to kill the shks :( 12:00 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Ran Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8660 12:00 -!- Blastin_in has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 Ok, so at level 1 Blac Bolt does 1d5 + 8 12:01 <@rikersan> lvl 3 here 12:01 And it cannot miss 12:01 it calls set_BypassDR# 12:01 <@rikersan> just loaded a loadstone in and killed that 12:02 Level 3 is 2d5 + 8 12:02 Ah was he stuck in his web? 12:02 And didn'#t fight back? 12:05 [hdf-us] [un] ttc1401 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "+2 blessed greased Grayswandir", on T:29040 12:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Ana Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1867 12:06 <@rikersan> yeah 12:06 <@rikersan> he didn't want to get out 12:06 But of course Izchak gets a free pass! 12:07 Remember to slaughter the watch!! 12:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Ana Dro Fem Cha), 5320 points, T:2056, killed by Ms. Akalapi, the shopkeeper 12:08 :D 12:08 <@rikersan> what, how was he not trapped 12:08 <@rikersan> er her 12:08 <@rikersan> whatever let's try again 12:08 <@rikersan> :p 12:09 I just spam the bolt for safety 12:09 You can smash them with weave black web as well# 12:09 <@rikersan> takes too long 12:09 <@rikersan> ah true 12:09 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:11 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:11 You can't kill priests with it though, they heal 12:11 But it does not anger their god 12:12 <@rikersan> well lvl 10 or so black bolt might work 12:12 At 6 you get 3d5+8, 10 is 4d5+8 12:12 So yeah probs! 12:19 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:23 [hdf-us] [nd] winny (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1067 points, T:2391, killed by a giant bat 12:34 -!- tubs has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:41 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:51 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:56 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 12:58 wooohoo go elenmirie! 13:00 -!- tubs has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:03 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 13:03 !whereis rikersan 13:03 tubs: [hdf-us] rikersan is not currently playing on this server. 13:19 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:23 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18518 13:42 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 13:53 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 13:55 aosdict: so apparently the digestion timer isn't just used for digestion 13:56 but for engulfing in general 13:56 just that when it runs out 13:56 you're expelled 13:56 rather than killed 13:56 for others 13:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:33068 13:56 this means that the better your AC 13:56 the longer you're engulfed 13:56 this makes no sense 13:56 at all 13:56 Hmm, Luck Blade doesn't act as a luckstone? 13:58 LarienTelrunya: that sounds like me on a daily basis! 13:58 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Ran Elf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 15 arrows on an altar, on T:11554 13:58 haha, sex with kobold zombies can kill, as I just discovered :P 13:59 overexertion means leveldrain while XL1 I think 13:59 yes; I was XL1 and the kobold zombie came out on top and rolled the level drain effect 14:01 -!- Tariru has quit [Quit: Tariru] 14:02 :D 14:13 Fuck. You know you're playing too much of one variant when the only bones you find are your own. :-\ 14:13 heh, I almost never find bones in slex, because most slex players are playing on hdf-us (if they play at all that is) 14:13 and somehow I rarely leave bones when I die 14:13 Ah also that! 14:14 PS: Assume that you have convinced/inspired me to write my own variant, what would be the "best" (pros/cons) codebase to start from? 14:14 uhh, everyone's going to give a different answer to that :P I started with SLASH'EM and have never regretted that decision 14:15 I'm only really interested in the "engine" code, i.e. I'm not super interested in the items/monsters/roles/races that are already there. 14:15 I care about dungeon gen, interface, A.I (monster and pet), etc. 14:15 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 14:16 Hrmm 14:16 bones are transported 14:17 not sure then, if I weren't completely turned off by that nh4-style interface I'd probably say FIQhack would be a good base for that 14:17 i've found raisse bones, eg 14:17 I dislike the UI! 14:17 Ah cool hothraxxa, didn't there used to be a funny tool to do it, like hearse or something? 14:17 well that's for local play i think. k2 and tangles set up bones sharing here 14:18 tubs: You dislike the NH4 UI? 14:18 Can you elaborate? 14:18 ruh roh 14:18 hothraxxa: what? does that mean you can find hdf-us bones on eu and in reverse? 14:18 yes 14:18 LarienTelrunya: Yes 14:18 You didn't know this? 14:19 is that bones sharing also in slex? :D 14:19 i don't see why not 14:19 Should be everywhere 14:19 ask K2 about it 14:19 because I rarely, if ever, find a bones level in slex on hdf-eu 14:19 That is because people rarely, if ever, play slex 14:19 K2: does slex have bones sharing between the us and eu servers? 14:19 FIQ: Purely aesthetics - I am pretty sure it's just because it is unfamiliar 14:19 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:19 FIQ: I really like a lot of FIQHack, I try to make the interface look as "classic" as possible :x 14:20 tubs: Were you the one who disliked it because it looked like it tried to emulate a window manager? 14:20 Oh wait no, that was bhaak 14:20 LarienTelrunya: all bones with all variants are shared between the two servers 14:20 I didn't say that but I see where he is coming from. 14:20 LarienTelrunya: "never regretting starting with slashem" you are hardcore and into masochism. that explains a lot 14:20 tubs: Just wondering what you disliked about it 14:20 FIQ: I think I just like the dungeon taking the full terminal size, I put my font at like size 26 14:20 K2: cool, so I should be able to find a variety of bones :) 14:20 [hdf-us] [fh] Max (knaveightt) (Tou Gno Mal Neu), 3982 points, T:58, quit 14:20 Not going to hate on anyone just because ethey dislike the UI :P 14:20 But with the multiple windows it makes the dungeon itself really small 14:21 bhaak: hahaha :) 14:21 tubs: You know the game works fine in 80x24 too, right? 14:21 It's just not... the optimal way to play IMO 14:21 I couldn't find out how to turn off all the panels :x 14:21 (Allthough I would recommend at least 80x26 so you get 2-line msgbar and 3-line status) 14:21 also, the next slex version adds the overview/annotate stuff to the dumplog now (the current version on the server does not), because I shamelessly stole the unnethack code :D 14:21 They turn off automatically... 14:21 One thing to note 14:21 is that dgamelaunch will not care if you resize while it is running 14:22 this also applies to NH3, the issues are just less noticeable 14:22 I've never resized my terminal in my life! 14:22 (it messes up inventory lists) 14:22 They are full screen only 14:22 tubs: you said you liked font 26 :P 14:22 increasing font size is basically a resize 14:22 I have a profile for nh and one for other stuff 14:22 in the view of dgl 14:22 LarienTelrunya: great! code wants to be free! 14:22 anyway, my point is 14:22 if you reduce screen real estate for the terminal 14:22 (in the view of dgamelaunch) 14:23 for reference, I usually have my terminal at a size around 100x30 14:23 be it by literally shrinking the terminal 14:23 or increasing the font size 14:23 you need to restart the ssh session 14:23 dgamelaunch will not notice the resize 14:23 bhaak: I'll probably try to port more parts of unnethack's dumplog version too, the current slex code is okay but the unnethack one is simply better ;) 14:23 FIQ: I mean I have a terminal dedicated to nh, which is always running at the large font size 14:23 So I ssh in from the large font size 14:23 tubs: well what I am saying is 14:23 if there is no room for the extra elements 14:24 it will not shjow 14:24 *show 14:24 Ahhh! Bingo, it does work 14:24 Oooooh 14:24 you can also manually disable extrawin and sidebar 14:24 I know what happened - I used the web terminal 14:24 if you want 14:24 And in THAT, scaling the fonts just broke everything, but using my own terminal + SSH works fine 14:24 yeah but that isn't really on fiqhack 14:24 it breaks dgamelaunch in general :P 14:24 LarienTelrunya: is there any other variant that has DYWYPISI? ? that's one to steal. 14:24 *nods* 14:25 bhaak: yes 14:25 4k 14:25 and dyna 14:25 and grunt 14:25 grunt? 14:25 bhaak: well the DYWYPI is the main reason why I want to steal from un; currently, if you decline, slex doesn't dump your inventory, which is of course not the way it's supposed to be 14:25 vanilla grunt or hardfought grunt? 14:26 FIQ: thanks! :-) I think I may start from your stuff then! 14:26 Though I need to work out how to make the black black not gray 14:26 what do you mean? 14:26 are we going to see a tubshack variant? ;) 14:26 try options -> interface options -> pallet 14:26 (near the bottom) 14:26 I'm fiddling with that as we speak, lemme fiddle more! 14:27 LarienTelrunya: perhaps - but I don't want to do something particularly nethack-like, I have a couple of ideas that may or may not be poop but will have to try them out! :) 14:28 FIQ: I've tried all of them but the background remains "gray", I'll look at what my terminal colours are set to 14:28 Weird, it is using "Black", rather than Black. 14:29 Oh I see, FIQ, FIQHack is setting the background to "Black", rather than leaving it at the terminal default right>? 14:29 My "Black" is actually light gray, but my terminal bg is black black. 14:29 yes 14:29 Dunno if that makes any sense at all ^ 14:30 that is what happens 14:30 libuncursed does that in general 14:30 it's a feature 14:30 to make sure the colors are consistent 14:30 Yeah, I have a lot of trouble with nethack (and almost every variant) that means I don't see black/blue quite often. 14:30 I can imagine forcing the bg to be a "known" colour fixes that very well. 14:31 It's in fact the reason my "Black" is not actually black :) 14:31 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 14:31 just use 24 bit colors and get the hate of the 3 users who use too old terminals 14:31 \o/ 14:34 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:40 And feel free to tell me why that was a terribad wish :) 14:40 premium heart is a good wish 14:40 usually 14:41 I'm not entirely sure I count as unarmed, but I need gauntlets of power, and I like the dex. 14:41 It's unclear of AD_SHDW counts as unarmed 14:41 or martial arts 14:42 I also still don't know what "feeling itchy" means, but premium heartmakes me feel itchy 14:44 Not that it matters, died to a shocking sphere :-( 14:45 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:50 tubs: elves have an aversion to iron in dnethack ( i think) 14:51 thats the 'feels itchy' message 14:51 yes - I think it may come from unnethack 14:51 sounds right 14:52 Does it reduce healing rate? 14:52 it does in Un - I think you may not regenerate HP at all 14:52 I definitely regeneraed a little bit 14:53 I saw in the code it affected healingbonus or something 14:53 Didn't look too hard at it tbh 14:53 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 14:54 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Client Quit] 14:54 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 14:56 <@rikersan> tubs: it affects healing rate signficiantly 14:56 I should try dnethack again some time - it's changed a lot since my last game 14:56 <@rikersan> elves also take extra damage (not sure how much, 1d10? 1d20?) from iron weapons hitting htem 14:56 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:56 <@rikersan> gloves and a shirt prevent most itchy armor/weapons tho 14:56 1d20 good lord 14:56 <@rikersan> yeah it's something evil 14:57 <@rikersan> I mean vampires are the same but with silver, but then again silver is rarer 14:57 No way it's d20 14:57 I got seared tons and it didn't do that much to me 14:58 But I think femal drow ana have some weird special rules? 14:58 <@rikersan> I konw I've been oneshot by akyls at 18-20 hp 14:58 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:58 <@rikersan> tubs: they aren't 'drow' 14:58 I never ever got affected by a single passive attack, for example 14:58 <@rikersan> so they have catsight not darkvision 14:58 <@rikersan> uh that's just luck 14:58 As elf, or as femanadrow rikersan? 14:58 <@rikersan> no, femanadrow 14:58 No no, I stood there hitting and healing a bliue jelly 14:58 <@rikersan> elf and drow have the same iron thing, but I don't think myrfalkar do 14:58 <@rikersan> hm 14:58 Maybe it's just the shadow blades? 14:58 I didn't try it while wielding 14:59 But now I have to go to a dance, I'll be back later where TUBHACK will be born, and FIQ will cry salty tears at the abuse I ut his lovely code through. :-) 14:59 <@rikersan> uh ok 14:59 <@rikersan> have fun! 14:59 cheerop 15:00 cheerio* 15:00 -!- tubs has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:00 heh 15:00 <@rikersan> looks liek it adds rnd(lvl) damage 15:00 <@rikersan> not sure if it's your level or the monsters tho 15:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:19587 15:06 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:06 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 15:12 !tell tubs if you are interested in dungeon gen, that is what I am currently working on in xnehtack 15:12 Will do, aosdict! 15:13 !tell tubs Also, FIQ thinks the dungeon gen code is mostly the same across most variants due to nobody putting in the effort to understand it - well I am doing that now, and documenting everything as I go! 15:13 Will do, aosdict! 15:19 FIQ: any idea why the nh3 code occasionally has blocks that are unconnected to any control statements 15:19 I mean, it's valid C, but... why 15:24 -!- mpt| has joined #hardfought 15:25 <@Winsalot> omg 15:26 aosdict: in switch statements it is usually to allow declaring variables 15:26 but NH3 has them in other places too, I have no idea about those 15:27 for whatever reason that I never understood, C doesn't allow you to declare statements right after a label 15:27 that is the usual reason 15:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:64573 15:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:64576 15:29 -!- MisteryMyra has joined #hardfought 15:31 K2: need mtf's save, no crash but a weird bug that will possibly lead to his death 15:32 oh wait 15:32 before I do 15:32 @mtf 15:32 is your horse confused 15:32 <@mtf> not that I know of? he attacked a blue jelly 15:32 <@mtf> and got hurt 15:32 -!- MiseryMyra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:32 black lights 15:32 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Val Tro Mal Law) killed the Akane, on T:448 15:32 <@mtf> I didn't see one 15:32 ...they're invisible 15:33 <@mtf> but I just closed my game, no message history now lol 15:33 try replaymode 15:33 pray it doesn't break 15:33 actually 15:33 I have it here 15:33 <@mtf> how do I do that again 15:33 ctrl+c 15:33 thenb i 15:33 *then i 15:33 <@mtf> ah 15:33 <@mtf> if it breaks will it destroy my game? lol 15:33 no 15:34 it will just crash the process 15:34 <@mtf> oh 15:34 <@mtf> uhh 15:34 <@mtf> it put me on a different floor 15:34 <@mtf> wtf 15:35 heh, the minotaur had a potion of booze 15:35 just ctrl+g 15:35 can't say that I blame him 15:35 then 10500 15:35 or something 15:35 <@mtf> doesn't work 15:35 works fine for me 15:35 <@mtf> this the last turn for me 15:35 <@mtf> 10398 15:36 anyway this is what I mean with replaymode having issues 15:36 :P 15:36 <@mtf> when in game my last turn is 11377 15:36 <@mtf> FIQ: gotcha lol 15:36 <@Winsalot> damn it's hard to play rogue. Maybe Im just careless 15:36 I am trying to mess with replaymode and see what happens 15:37 <@mtf> FIQ: you don't need me to keep my game open for you to watch, do you? 15:38 meh whatever 15:38 last checkpoint isn't usable in replaymode 15:38 <@mtf> lol 15:38 !tell K2 need mtf's save, he claims that his horse is attacking him unprovoked 15:38 Will do, FIQ! 15:38 I am pretty sure it is confused 15:38 but meh 15:39 <@mtf> are there no messages when your horse is confused? 15:39 o 15:39 no 15:39 unless you #chat 15:39 <@mtf> well 15:39 <@mtf> ok let me try to chat 15:40 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/431538537377169418/unknown.png 15:40 <@mtf> almost died 15:40 <@mtf> lol 15:40 <@mtf> he nieghed 15:40 <@mtf> and then beat me 15:41 that doesn't sound good 15:41 actually I just checked 15:41 only dogs and cats are useful to #chat to 15:41 to see if they're confused 15:41 <@mtf> huh 15:41 horses will neigh if tameness<5 15:41 just get away from it 15:41 close the door, recover 15:41 if it is confused 15:41 it will wear off 15:42 <[Demo]> get a sniper rifle and turn it int oglue 15:42 @v?black light 15:42 black light (y) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire cold sleep disintegrate shock poison acid petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Attacks: 10d12 explode hallucination | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies, amorphous, breathless, mindless, unsolid, seeinvis, invisible, vegan 15:42 @mtf 10d12 turns 15:43 <@mtf> so I can wait like 120 turns ad I"ll be good 15:43 yes 15:43 assuming it's just confused from a black light 15:43 if not blame me I guess? 15:43 <[Demo]> one time gwyn beheaded me 15:43 <@mtf> FIQ: 15:43 <[Demo]> cause a black light got her 15:43 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/431539401948921858/unknown.png 15:43 <[Demo]> and she had a beheading weapon 15:43 <@mtf> pretty sure it was hungry 15:43 <[Demo]> and she gets a fuck ton of attacks 15:43 yeah that would confuse it 15:43 <[Demo]> !asc Demo 15:43 [Demo]: Demo has ascended 4 times in 55 games (7.27%): dnh:4 (50.00%) 15:44 <[Demo]> lmao 15:44 wait 15:44 that isn't hunger 15:44 <[Demo]> i wanna see specific dumplogs 15:44 that is petrification 15:44 it attacked a cockatrice presumably 15:44 <@mtf> oh there's a chickatrice here 15:44 meaning that yeah it was most definitely confused 15:44 <@mtf> LOL 15:45 K2: I don't need mtf's save, PEBKAC 15:45 <@mtf> lollll 15:46 <@mtf> so I guess the player's just supposed to recognize confused based on pet attacks / movement patterns? 15:46 after a bit over a day of play 15:46 19:46:00 FIQ-bot │ Variant stats: 4k:1h 34m :: dnh:17h :: dyn:1m :: fh:4h :: gh:1m :: nd:14h 47m :: nh:3h 15m :: nh4:1h 19m :: slex:15h 38m :: sp:2h 54m :: un:1h 1m :: xnh:1d 12h 21m 15:47 <@mtf> youv'e played your own variant the least? 15:47 amount of play 15:47 across each variant 15:47 for the server 15:47 <@mtf> oh 15:47 for 27h 15:49 @mtf yes they ere 15:49 or use a stethoscope 15:49 *are 15:49 <@mtf> gotcha 15:52 hm, is the scoreboard down, or is it just me? 15:52 Mandevil's one, I mean 15:53 elenmirie: just you 15:54 thx 15:54 -!- MisteryMyra is now known as MiseryMyra 15:54 it's fine for me now, just my ever-flaky connection I guess 15:58 FIQ: Yeah, not in switch statements. Just random floating around blocks. 16:09 elenmirie: Congratulations, anyway. 16:09 elenmirie: I think xNetHack should be called SplatHack :) 16:09 thanks, Mandevil! 16:09 elenmirie: Given that only TeamSplat members ascend it :) 16:10 lol, yes! 16:10 I should hurry while there are still unascended slots. 16:10 * LarienTelrunya mumbles something about spontaneous version updates preventing non-teamsplat members from ascending xnh. 16:11 you are never going to stop going on about that are you? 16:11 no :P 16:11 I got caught by that too... just rolled up a new one 16:11 or, wait, I will, if you go ahead and ascend an ironman bleeder in slex. 16:12 You first. 16:12 aosdict: I guess you're doing something wrong if you're breaking save compatibility ;-) 16:12 Mandevil: I got told that it was a one-time occurrence and will not happen again 16:12 Mandevil: it was because K2 didn't know that a savebreak happened because I didn't tell him 16:13 it was very early, like the first few days of xnh on the server 16:13 Well, for an experimental variant I think it's a fair game. 16:13 I'm currently following fourk's model: anything savebreaking goes on $nextversion branch 16:13 I like DCSS model. 16:14 <[Demo]> all nh4 base variants should pad the fuck out of their saves 16:14 It basically never breaks. 16:14 <[Demo]> the fact fourk doesnt have padded saves is sad 16:15 I don't even remember what the savebreak *was* 16:15 actually I think it wasn't a savebreak at all 16:15 well, not a feature 16:15 <[Demo]> i can see not wanting to pad saves that arent compressed 16:16 aosdict: the savebreak was changing patchlevel.h's version number 16:16 K2 was like "hey shouldn't you change patchlevel.h so th - yes 16:21 aosdict: LarienTelrunya is still complaining about genocide bug 16:22 almost a year later 16:22 You will never live this down 16:22 Sorry 16:22 FIQ: That is my main data point for why she will not stop complaining about it 16:22 All I ask is that she doesn't badmouth xnh 16:22 She will 16:22 <@mtf> FIQ: stop giving me cursed rings of carrying 16:22 don't worry, I won't badmouth it more than the other forks :P 16:23 If she is around if anyone asks about fiqhack 16:23 she goes and calls it horrible and monsters will genocide you and you can't win 16:23 I lost a game with an early wand of wishing in that particular honk, but I've kept the whinging to a minimum 16:23 just saying... 16:24 @mtf btw, ptychomancer is apparently doing a devstream, seems like he never noticed my highlight :P 16:24 oh well 16:24 <@mtf> damn =/ 16:24 that is what I expected tbh 16:24 I mean, I could keep throwing toys out of pram and bitching, but I choose not to 16:24 <@mtf> well wait 16:24 <@mtf> you pinged unormal 16:24 <@mtf> not ptycho 16:24 hmm 16:24 oh yeah 16:24 should I ping him now though 16:24 seems dubious 16:25 <@mtf> for sure 16:25 ok 16:25 if anyone complains 16:25 I blame mtf 16:25 (ok maybe not :P) 16:25 <@mtf> if anyone other than the CoQ dev's complain, tell em to come to me 16:26 elenmirie: a human healer, nicely done! don't see many of those 16:26 I think it was my first, actually! 16:26 I only did it because you took gnome ;) 16:26 there 16:26 i don't think i've ever played a human healer 16:26 did the protection racket, too :) 16:26 afk food for now 16:26 heh 16:29 i'm trying to see how good an orc barbarian (in:7) can get at spellcasting but i have some frustrating handicaps 16:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:66056 16:29 30k+ turns and i have yet to see a blindfold or towel 16:29 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 16:30 that doesn't matter much yet because i've seen only four floating eyes and none have left a corpse 16:30 congrats elenmirie! 16:30 K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-04-05 15:38 EDT: need mtf's save, he claims that his horse is attacking him unprovoked 16:31 FIQ: i think i saw you said you no longer need MTF's save correct? 16:31 yes 16:31 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: The bitchy Amy is going to sleep ;)] 16:31 correct 16:32 thanks K2! 16:33 \o/ 16:33 hothraxxa: thanks for indulging my paranoia :) 16:35 i know this has nothing to do with your changes, but the last few xnh games have all had weird lengthy shortages of resources 16:35 for me 16:35 like what hothraxxa? I think I've had similar 16:36 like one game, no scroll of identify until the castle or thereabouts 16:36 such as no bag whatsoever until i polyed one up in my last ascension, maybe 30k turns in 16:36 or this one without any blindoflds or towels 16:36 heh 16:36 no scope yet either 16:36 I've been seeing similar things 16:36 same 16:36 i've scoured the mines 16:36 as long as these are all shortages of _different_ resources, I'm chalking it up to RNG 16:36 is it 3.6.1 or something new for xnh? 16:37 I wonder if it might be somewhat driven by the monster generation policy 16:37 yeah i have a hard time blaming xnh 16:37 so if things don't show up randomly, there's less opportunity to get them through deathdrops etc 16:37 (just guessing) 16:37 case in point - current game, no floating eyes 16:37 but it does seem more pronounced than in vanilla 16:37 i think that might explain the small numbers of potions i've been getting 16:37 last game, nothing at all to confer shock res 16:37 etc etc 16:38 K2: I had a similar no floating eyes once 16:38 k2: same here almost. i've seen 4 with no corpse, over 30k turns 16:38 last game, I had to revgeno unicorns to get a horn 16:38 yeah i had one game where i saw my first unicorn after 47k turns 16:38 also, only two lizards so far 16:38 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:39 anyway, if it is really xnh then so what 16:39 it's maddening but fair enough 16:39 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:39 elenmirie you've played enough 3.6.1, do you notice same behavior? 16:39 item shortages are not my intention though 16:39 not as much 16:40 you get the occasional game with weird shortages 16:40 aosdict: its not that big a deal imo. sporkhack is the same way 16:40 * aosdict wants to not madden players :-) 16:40 aosdict: if you mess with the monster generation it's a potential side effect 16:40 but not so consistently 16:40 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 16:40 i've had lots of 3.6.0 games with an odd shortage 16:40 i had a lampless game 16:40 hothraxxa: Hmm. Do you think you are fighting fewer monsters per floor on average in xnethack? 16:40 I am 16:41 I find that it's much more attractive to sort of hang around for ages in an empty dungeon... 16:41 once i clear a floor generation seems slow 16:41 I don't do that consciously, it's just an adaptive thing I've developed 16:41 elenmirie: not sure whether you are calling xnh or 3.6.1 the more attractive in that regard 16:41 the greeting mobs seems to have been dialled back 16:42 hothraxxa: have not touched them 16:42 aosdict: in xnh I hang around more than in 361 16:42 aosdict: did you already state that monster generation at level creation is higher than normal, but spawns afterwards are less? 16:42 in my first game it was chronic 16:42 every new floor and they'd be waiting at the bottom of the stairs 16:42 I intend to fix it by rloc-ing any monsters that spawn next to the stairs 16:42 now, only sometimes 16:42 partly because I have resource shortages and am hoping to see a unicorn, floating eye or whatever 16:42 partly because bags seem even harder to come by, so I am forced to stash 16:43 K2: Yes. But it was only touched once and I haven't revisited it. 16:43 * K2 nods 16:43 elenmirie: I think I'm going to add a sack to all minetowns 16:43 that would help 16:44 even if it's in a shop 16:44 oilskin please 16:44 :P 16:44 hard to guarantee it's in a shop 16:44 K2: maybe I'll stick an oilskin one in monkeytown 16:44 ;) 16:44 hah 16:44 BoH in orctown, please! 16:45 guaranteed 16:45 uncursed 16:45 * aosdict puts a bag of tricks in orctown, and teaches the monster AI how to use it. 16:45 * elenmirie pouts 16:45 you can swipe fiq's code for that 16:46 in reality I am still documenting mklev.c 16:46 then need to do sp_lev.c 16:46 will not do anything more with xnh at the moment unless it's an important fix 16:47 that's an impressive undertaking 16:47 Pretty sure I'm at least 2/3 done. 16:47 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 16:47 with all the level gen code. 16:47 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 16:47 i spent many years documenting or editing documentation. you have my deepest respect and sincere sympathy 16:47 same here! 16:47 hothraxxa: it's for my own benefit, though I intend to submit it as a 3.6.1 PR 16:47 i cant read, so.... 16:48 * K2 shrugs 16:48 (I'm working on my copy of 3.6.1, not xnh) 16:48 aosdict: yes but tabs or spaces? 16:48 If I tried to implement the terrain gen changes I want right now, I'd be lost because nothing is documented. 16:48 aosdict: I had a reply from Pat regarding that wonky secret door (if you recall)... hang on, let me get what he said 16:49 which wonky secret door is this? 16:50 hothraxxa: there's been a recurring problem in 361 with hidden secret doors in special levels showing up as the wrong direction of wall tile 16:50 ah that one 16:50 eg, a horizontal tile in a vertical wall 16:51 and I found yet another one in the caveman quest level a few days ago 16:51 anyway, here was Pat's reply to aosdict's comment that I passed along: 16:51 "Displays properly" may be over-optimistic. If that area of the 16:51 map is unlit, the door spot shows up as wall from a distance, as 16:51 if it were lit, while the actual wall spots on either side remain 16:51 blank (unlit). I'm washing my hands of this one; someone else 16:51 will need to figure it out. ;-} 16:51 lovely 16:51 hehe 16:52 wait what was my original comment 16:52 am I the one who said "displays properly" 16:52 um, stand by... 16:52 yes 16:52 > Tell Pat that the DOOR command for that secret door is missing 16:52 > and if it is added back in at (63,16), the wall displays properly. 16:53 anyway, he also said that it's now fixed, they handle everything in the special level loader whether or not it has the DOOR command 16:53 good to know 16:53 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:53 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 16:54 since you're knee-deep in that stuff, I thought you'd want to know that 16:54 Eh, it seems more of a display issue than level gen. 16:54 go on, figure it out, be a hero! 16:55 if the devteam is going to appreciate any contribution by me, I'd prefer it to be this level gen documentation 16:56 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 16:56 * elenmirie sidles out of the middle 17:01 wow, first three wands I found are all different vanish ones 17:01 at least I know I've got them all... 17:01 now put everything else into your BOH with free abandon 17:02 what BoH? All I got is a bag of dirty tricks 17:02 is that the kind that rogues use 17:03 heh 17:03 * elenmirie is an honourable knight! 17:05 <@Winsalot> @FIQ seems like pressing > or < to auto go to stairs doesn't work when levitating. is that intended? 17:05 Felix the Cat had a Bag of Tricks but it always seemed to supply whatever he needed at the time 17:05 @Winsalot yes 17:05 at least > 17:05 <@Winsalot> i mean, it's just QOL? 17:06 <@Winsalot> Why would levitation affect it? 17:06 > means to unlevi 17:06 when he hits < he should bump his head 17:06 ^^^ 17:06 that is why > doesn't work while levitation 17:06 *levitating 17:06 <@Winsalot> what doe sit mean to unlevi? 17:07 I mean, you should still be able to do _>. 17:07 <@Winsalot> Yeah, but I preffer to press one key 17:07 <@Winsalot> 😃 17:07 Winsalot: stop controlled levitation, ie float down to the floor 17:07 <@Winsalot> It 17:07 (blessed potion of lev, heart of ahriman etc) 17:07 <@Winsalot> oh ok 17:08 <@Winsalot> never knew that levitation could be controllable 17:10 YANI: put engravings outside inaccessible closets so you know something's there. 17:10 <[Demo]> slex should hide gays in the closet 17:11 YASI: put humorous engravings _inside_ inaccessible closets. Just because. 17:11 <[Demo]> graffiti mode, engravings everywhere 17:13 * aosdict does want to bump up the graffiti frequency, but I already kind of did 17:14 Actually, what I really want to add is helpful random graffiti that provides some real in-game information. 17:14 True rumors? 17:14 Or something beyond that? 17:14 isn't that what rumours are supposed to be? 17:15 Something like "VENZAR BORGAVVE is a scroll of identify". 17:15 oooh 17:15 Ah. 17:15 Or "The Mines entrance is on dungeon level 4." 17:15 Only 75% true? 17:15 but they could be false? 17:15 jonadab: probably rare enough that it's not worth it for them to lie. 17:15 <[Demo]> make rumors based on the changelog 17:15 Considering I'm still going to use all the true and false rumors. 17:16 I love how the shopkeepers insist that I get off my horse, and then it attacks them 17:16 it wouldn't have, if you'd let me stay on him! 17:16 Wait, they have a problem with riding? Why? 17:17 they don't let you ride into a shop, never have 17:17 that's not new 17:17 Yeah, but still. 17:17 I guess your pet could pick something up and then you could ride right out of the shop? 17:17 well, I guess... in real life they generally would object as well 17:17 Rather than hoping for it to exit the shop randomly on its own? 17:17 except a mount won't pick something up while your riding, afaik 17:18 oh, I guess, you could get off it, then let it pick something up, then ride out, or something like that 17:18 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 23023 points, T:14017, killed by a Green-elf, while sleeping off a magical draught 17:23 3 points of protection! 17:23 EPI: consulting the Oracle breaks atheist. 17:24 <[Demo]> why 17:25 <[Demo]> consulting the oracle doesnt mean you take any credit to what she says 17:25 <[Demo]> its like looking at an altar 17:26 <[Demo]> now dropping shit on an alter u give faith to some jesus fuckery when u decide that the color given off equals its BUC automatically so that makes sense 17:26 <[Demo]> but the whole oracle experience is pretty secular? 17:27 [Demo]: you could make a similar argument for divine protection. "I gave a dude some gold. Seems like monsters hit me less now, but I'm still skeptical of this whole 'religion' thing. Not enough data." 17:27 not if you were an ancient Greek it wasn't secular 17:27 <[Demo]> but r u an ancient greek 17:27 <[Demo]> there is a direct cause and effect from divine protection 17:27 who the hell knows? 17:27 in nethack 17:27 <[Demo]> ur ac goes down 17:28 <[Demo]> the oracle is just some crackpot spewing bullshit 17:28 <[Demo]> and if u toss some money her way u can get a listen 17:28 crackpot on crack 17:28 lol 17:28 [Demo]: I think you are taking this evil patch idea too seriously 17:28 <[Demo]> oh that was an EPi 17:28 <[Demo]> i didnt read 17:28 <[Demo]> great EPI 17:28 lol 17:29 Demo becomes literate by reading an EPI 17:29 maybe K2 should read it, then he will be able to read 17:29 since he claims he can't 17:30 YANI (not original): pet cats can pray to Bastet for help when they are in trouble 17:31 <[Demo]> i kinda wanna do a coptic wizard thing with dnh koth code 17:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Bar Orc Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Set, on T:34712 17:38 hm. 17:39 oh good the livelog message for that isn't bugged 17:39 yeah, i summoned up juiblex earlier. he's right here getting in my way 17:39 time to lure him somewhere else 17:41 juiblex! see the shiny downstairs? are we going down the nice downstairs? yes we are! good juiblex! good boy! now wait right here, ok? I'll be back in just a minute... 17:44 sokoban was upstairs. he has the whole second level to himself now 17:45 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 17:46 so i got my first floating eye corpse on turn 35031 17:46 well, that's something! 17:46 <[Demo]> wow 17:46 i'm satiated :( 17:46 live life on the edge 17:46 * aosdict gives hothraxxa a tinning kit 17:47 i've got an amulet of lifesaving and i'm tempted to try it 17:47 I do think I sort of like that in xnh, you're less guaranteed to see a monster by hanging around on the right dungeon level for long enough. 17:50 This floating eye corpse tastes okay. You finish eating the floating eye corpse. You feel a strange mental acuity. 17:50 they're only 10 nutrition 17:50 now all i need is a blindfold or towel 17:51 meanwhile i can engrave with these silly wands of lightning that i'll never use otherwise 17:52 YANI: Illusioner monster, or (probably better) illusion/disguise self spell, which makes a monster appear as a different permonst. Perhaps extrinsic see invisible could be extended to penetrate such illusions. 17:52 aosdict: haha what are you doing with juiblex 17:53 FIQ: I have a dog 17:53 I am treating juiblex like a dog that will cheerfully follow me somewhere 17:54 aosdict: it was much funnier when I thought it was actually juiblex 17:55 FIQ: it was 17:55 in hothraxxa's game 17:55 ah 17:56 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 835 points, T:1242, killed by a rothe, while fainted from lack of food 18:05 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 313 points, T:1041, killed by a blast of fire 18:32 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Ran Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a vampire lord, on T:14967 18:37 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 18:37 ahoya 18:37 tubs: Message from aosdict at 2018-04-05 15:12 EDT: if you are interested in dungeon gen, that is what I am currently working on in xnehtack 18:37 tubs: Message from aosdict at 2018-04-05 15:13 EDT: Also, FIQ thinks the dungeon gen code is mostly the same across most variants due to nobody putting in the effort to understand it - well I am doing that now, and documenting everything as I go! 18:38 !tell aosdict Thanks! I'll keep an eye/ear on what you're doing! 18:38 Will do, tubs! 18:38 . 18:38 aosdict: Message from tubs at 2018-04-05 18:38 EDT: Thanks! I'll keep an eye/ear on what you're doing! 18:39 Oh he is here, sorry, I thought you were a +. 18:39 And I was planning on starting tonight but after that experience I am just going to drink a lot instead :-\ 18:41 Good point. Hey K2, can I have +v? 18:43 "mostly" the same :-) I've heard that in the past!!! 18:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v aosdict] by ChanServ 18:44 Just disclaiming that that's FIQ's take on it, not mine. 18:45 I know that variants have occasionally messed with level gen code, but I don't think on a very deep level (no pun intended) 18:46 Not in a "let's refactor this wholesale" sense, no. 18:46 Also not in a "let's give all these functions clear names" sense. 18:46 In an ideal world I would love to get the dungeon gen, interface, input, etc. built as an independent library (for me, not in general), so I can build my stuff without the madness of the build systems. 18:46 jonadab: where's the fun in that? :) 18:47 Most of the names are at least descriptive. When you squint. 18:47 Taken individually, yes. 18:47 BUt when you look at the list of different functions, can you tell which is which? 18:48 I would get the wrong idea when looking at dodoor() and dosdoor() :-) 18:48 Quick, off the top of your head, what is the difference between makemaz and mkmaze? 18:49 mkmaze doesn't exist. 18:49 That's the primary difference :P 18:49 Ok the difference between makelevel and mklev then. 18:50 Ha, I just went through those! 18:50 Ah, no fair. 18:50 Wait a month, then try to remember the answer. 18:50 mklev is mostly a wrapper around makelevel, but it handles some extra cases before and after it like bones. 18:51 It also does things like mineralize. 18:51 But yeah. 18:51 Yep. 18:51 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16192 18:51 How about mkaltar vs create_altar then? 18:52 The real problem is with all the tangled up global variables. 18:52 Ah, I have less problem with that because NH4. 18:52 There are still some global variables, some of which are confusing, but it's a lot fewer than in 3.x 18:52 Pretty sure mkaltar is random altars, create_altar is special levels. 18:53 You _have_ been looking at the level gen code recently. 18:53 What, you thought I was lying for no good reason? 18:53 aosdict: what does is_db_wall do 18:53 without checking 18:53 THAT is unfair. 18:54 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:54 Haven't covered that one. But my guess is it checks for whether a wall is the up-position of a drawbridge. 18:54 correct! 18:54 what does is_drawbridge_wall do? 18:55 uh 18:55 I'll give you a hint 18:55 not the same thing 18:55 bahaha 18:55 The wall on either side of a drawbridge? :s 18:55 As I said, asking about the drawbridge wall functions is unfair. 18:56 tubs: It returns what direction a drawbridge wall is facing, or -1 if that isn't a drawbridge wall 18:56 That's a pathological case. 18:56 Note that one of the directions is 0. 18:56 Of course it does! :) 18:56 jonadab: ok, what does dochug do 18:56 SO if you treat it like a boolean... 18:56 FIQ: something about the AI. 18:56 I'm documenting level gen, not dbridge.c. 18:56 Like, maybe decides what a monster will do on its turn? 18:56 jonadab: great and specific answer :) 18:57 NOt sure exactly, I don't claim to understand the AI code. 18:57 FIQ: the is_ is the most confusing thing about that name. 18:57 jonadab: yeah 18:57 aosdict: I renamed it drawbridge_wall_direction in 4.3-maint and Fourk. 18:57 After porting the dev team's fix for a 3.4.3 bug that was caused by calling the function as if it were boolean. 18:58 Yeah, the main reason I'm hesitant about doing major refactors is that I don't want massive merge conflicts every time I try to merge in vanilla. 18:58 jonadab: what does mb_trapped do 18:58 it is the function for when a monster si hit by a door trap 18:58 FIQ: trick question, it doesn't exist in xnethack 18:58 duh 18:58 *is 18:58 Haven't seen that one. No idea. Off the top of my head, I can't think what mb stands for. 18:58 magicbane? Makes no sense. 18:58 Dunno. 18:58 jonadab: neither can I 18:58 jonadab: It's the monster version of b_trapped. 18:58 Ah. 18:58 oh, naturally 18:59 but mb_trapped sounds like mb is together... 18:59 b_trapped being, umm? 18:59 Quick question - can you enchant a rock? 18:59 booby trapped presumably 18:59 tubs: no 18:59 tubs: NOt in vanilla. 18:59 Maybe in some variants. 18:59 you can in slex 18:59 Should just wait for a bullet then, np 18:59 slex doesn't count. In slex you can also _eat_ the rock. 18:59 Because of course you can. 18:59 You can eat rocks as in slashem! 18:59 <[Demo]> i love eating rocks! 19:00 as a rock-eaty-thing 19:00 yabba-dabba-doo 19:00 [Demo]: would you say it... rocks? 19:00 <[Demo]> yesss 19:00 tubs: YEEEEAAAAH 19:00 tubs: are you stoned? 19:00 jonadab: I wish. 19:00 jonadab: terrible terrible night, just got back and I have a date with me, my cat, and a bottle of soda and whiskey. 19:01 The cat don't get no whiskey though. 19:01 * jonadab tossed tubs a cockatrice egg. 19:01 <[Demo]> christ 19:01 if you have a date with you what are you doing on irc 19:01 Enchanting a launcher (mass-shadow gun) only increases acc rihgt? 19:01 aosdict: was going to ask 19:01 <[Demo]> i decided im gonna finally battle javascript websockets tonight 19:01 aosdict: Trying not to be super depressed :-) 19:01 <[Demo]> no it increased enchantment 19:01 <[Demo]> spe 19:01 Working quite well! 19:01 <[Demo]> ive had a lot of fun with mass shadow pistols 19:01 oh I misinterpreted 19:01 <[Demo]> like a lot a lot 19:02 aosdict: hmm what does he really mean then? 19:02 or she 19:02 [Demo]: drow fem ana? 19:02 <[Demo]> never 19:02 I thought you had been on a date, and brought the person home with you 19:02 <[Demo]> wizmode modified so you can put anything in 19:02 yes, that was my interpretation too... 19:02 <[Demo]> which yes is crashy 19:02 it is wrong? 19:02 <[Demo]> but a lot of fun 19:02 FIQ: remove the cat from the sentence and try again 19:02 and "me" 19:03 aosdict: ohhh 19:03 I see 19:03 Nah, I went to my regular dance today, but it was the first time I've been there since breaking up with my girlfriend, wasn't as much fun as I thought it would be. :-\ 19:03 Damn [Demo] so you can't help with how on earth shadow blades work? 19:03 [Demo]: we also found Black Bolt doesn't anger peacefuls, so you can kill shopkeepers at level 1. :-) 19:04 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG request: known necronomicon things in end dumplog 19:04 Will do, @rikersan! 19:04 typical dnh silliness 19:04 <@rikersan> but it's slow af and it's easier to web then and zap from range 19:04 <[Demo]> i never play myrf ana of whatever gender that is 19:04 I still want to know what shadow blades does ._. 19:04 <@rikersan> i might try a mal drow w/ teh sniper 19:04 myrkalfar anachrononaut called tubs 19:05 rikersan you don't get shadowblades 19:05 SHADOW BLADES 19:05 I am in love :( 19:05 <@rikersan> so? 19:05 <@rikersan> sniper is fun 19:05 @d?dokkalfar elder matriarch 19:05 No such monster. 19:05 has anyone actually met one of these 19:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:22957 19:06 whatever they're spelled 19:06 <@rikersan> yes 19:06 <@rikersan> they suck 19:06 <@rikersan> fuck them 19:06 @d?dokkalfar eternal matriarch 19:06 dokkalfar eternal matriarch (L) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 39 | Spd: 13 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison petrification drain | Confers: fire cold | MR: 100 | Generates: dungeons | AC: -8 | Attacks: 6d8 weapon disenchant, 6d8 weapon disenchant, 4d6 touch vampire-drain, 4d6 touch cold, 6d6 cast spell | Alignment: -15 | Flags: genocidable, tunnels, breathless, regenerates, poisonous, nopoly, undead 19:06 those 19:06 <@rikersan> yeah fuck those 19:06 they sound like great pets 19:06 <@rikersan> MR 100 but maybe 19:07 Can you do wiz mode on the server? 19:07 no 19:07 used to be able to in NH4+derivatives 19:07 it was removed 19:07 hmm, would like to test why pasive attacks seem to work against me 19:07 it was never ever possible on hdf 19:07 but in old asc versions 19:07 <@rikersan> huh I mihgt wish that next thanks fi 19:07 <@rikersan> fiq 19:07 tubs: build your own copy ;) 19:07 okey dokey 19:08 <@rikersan> since they start at like lvl 29 19:08 <@rikersan> tubs: lol good luck. 19:08 aosdict: I had trouble with dnh 19:08 <@rikersan> use dnao 19:08 I got slex, fiq, slashem all working 19:08 get dNAO 19:08 make install 19:08 done 19:08 dNAO? 19:08 <@rikersan> it doesn't work like that fiq 19:08 I'm on mac if that helps :-\ 19:08 <@rikersan> if you're not on wnidows 19:08 <@rikersan> https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dNAO/ 19:08 dNAO is dnethack with the NAO patchset 19:08 <@rikersan> tubs 19:08 And by helps, I mean, it doesn't help. 19:08 <@rikersan> LOL same here it's horrible. 19:08 @rikersan worked for me 19:08 on linux 19:09 <@rikersan> ok tubs is this just for wizmode? so you don't need menucolors? 19:09 <@rikersan> use this 19:09 <@rikersan> https://gist.github.com/RikerW/ccc2a6a0192cca1827e049e0ff447f4d 19:09 Oh talking of which... why can I not do make -j?!?! 19:09 or just make install dNAO 19:09 tubs: you can with fiqhack's makefile 19:09 the NH3 makefiles aren't able to deal with it 19:09 they were built in the 90s 19:10 FIQ: glory be. 19:10 thank kerio 19:10 it is his makefile 19:10 I just modified it 19:10 to work for my purposes 19:12 <@rikersan> has kerio made a variant? 19:12 <@rikersan> he just runs ascrun I thought 19:14 Ok, riker I have applied your patches and it seems to be working... 19:14 <@rikersan> it should 19:14 <@rikersan> menucolors won't work tho 19:14 <@rikersan> (since you commented htat out) 19:14 No, it doesn't, not bothered to fix it really! 19:15 Will 19:15 <@rikersan> if you want it to work, I can walk you through that but not right now 19:15 <@rikersan> kk 19:15 Will just use the server. 19:15 Nah, I can smash through the errors, I just have no will to do it. :) 19:15 <@rikersan> side note - you can build the dev version like that if you want to see some of chris's new features 19:15 <@rikersan> (or if you encounter a gamebrekaing bug and need to wait until tha'ts fixed cough mines cough) 19:15 <@rikersan> !role dnh 19:15 @rikersan: valkyrie 19:15 <@rikersan> !race dnh 19:15 @rikersan: chiropteran 19:16 <@rikersan> !race dnh 19:16 @rikersan: human 19:16 <@rikersan> go ascend a human valk after this tubs :p 19:16 <@rikersan> variety is the spice of nethack 19:16 Sorry [Demo] so does increasing the spe on mass-shadow increase damage? 19:16 <[Demo]> depends 19:16 <@rikersan> just accuracy I think 19:16 <[Demo]> do rocks with higher spe do more damage? 19:16 <@rikersan> if your'e shooting ofc 19:16 <@rikersan> no they don't 19:16 <@rikersan> tha'ts a stupid thing chris did 19:16 <[Demo]> because the item created will mirror the spe of the shooter 19:17 <@rikersan> clones have +0 :/ 19:17 <[Demo]> so until you get bullets, no 19:17 <[Demo]> they do now? 19:17 <[Demo]> still? 19:17 <[Demo]> i dont think so 19:17 <@rikersan> last I hcecked 19:17 <@rikersan> this was before he started dev tho 19:17 <@rikersan> so he may have changed 19:17 <@rikersan> let me check 19:18 otmp->spe = blaster->spe 19:19 Looks like the projectile gets the spe of the blaster? 19:19 <[Demo]> yeah 19:19 <@rikersan> ^ 19:19 <[Demo]> i was shooting chests 19:19 <@rikersan> huh I was wrong ok then 19:19 <[Demo]> with a +4 blaster 19:19 <[Demo]> and they were coffins 19:19 Does spe on chest say the type of chest? 19:19 <[Demo]> only for coffins 19:19 <[Demo]> cause chris ghettod it 19:19 :D 19:20 Ok cool so enchanting the weapon does increase the damage of projectiles, and enchanting projectiles is pointless 19:20 Strange but ok! 19:20 <[Demo]> its worth it when u get bullets or whatevr 19:20 <@rikersan> silver bullet OP 19:21 But it overwrites the spe of the object in the mass-shadow with the spe of the blaster itself. 19:21 So the spe on the bullet is completely ignored 19:21 <@rikersan> ydp 19:21 FIQ: heh, mktrap calls maketrap, lovely 19:21 Unless I am badly misreading this, which is entirely likely! 19:22 <@rikersan> *yep 19:22 <@rikersan> but silver bullets still do silver ;p 19:22 Yes yes 19:22 <@rikersan> no chris just makes bs code 19:22 Silver stone is not much worse than bullet 19:22 6/6 versus 8/6 19:22 <@rikersan> oh really? hm that makes life easier 19:23 YANI: nuggets of various metals (copper, gold, iron, silver, generic metal maybe?) that are all * class and are basically like rocks, except worth more. 19:23 AHHH juggernaut vault on level 1. I KNOW I HEAR SCRAPING STOP TELLIN GME. 19:23 aosdict: there are mithril nuggets for dwarf nobles I think 19:24 Oh mithril, that's a good addition. 19:24 <@rikersan> oh thanks tubs 19:24 <@rikersan> meant to leave a chris message 19:24 You're welcome! Not sure what I did. :) 19:25 <@rikersan> !tell Chris_ANG idea: juggernauts only give their scraping msg on direction change 1/10 of the time? it's a pain in the ass when you can hear it across the level, every third/second turn when they pace their vaults 19:25 Will do, @rikersan! 19:25 Ah that yes. :) 19:26 Does the game mock me on purpose? Whenever I play ana I get absolutely spammed with altars. :-\ 19:26 <@rikersan> lol 19:29 [hdf-us] [slex] Tariru (Rog Ang Fem Cha) killed Vitali the Grandmaster Vampire, on T:129988 19:30 I really enjoy the short-cooldown ctrl-f powers, I wish more roles/races had them, I am definitely going to make tons for tubhack! 19:31 <@rikersan> @le?vitali the grandmaster vampire 19:31 Vitali the Grandmaster Vampire (V) | Lvl: 28 | Diff: 39 | Spd: 24 | Res: sleep disintegrate poison petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 80 | Generates: unique | AC: -6 | Attacks: 1d10 weapon physical, 1d6 bite level drain, 4d4 gaze paralyze, 1d16 passive paralyze | Alignment: -10 | Flags: flies, breathless, regenerates, poisonous, nopoly, undead, stalker, covetous, infravisible 19:32 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Zyb Ang Fem Cha), 20916 points, T:2746, killed by a monster (invisible Kostchtchie) 19:33 <@rikersan> !lastgame slex 19:33 @rikersan: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/dumplog/1522969242.slex.txt 19:33 @rikersan: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AmyBSOD/slex/dumplog/1522951116.slex.txt 19:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:23086 19:53 rikersan [Demo] with Binder am I only unrestricted while I have the spirit bound? 20:04 -!- Tariru has quit [Quit: Tariru] 20:07 <[Demo]> it stays unrestricted after 20:11 You should get a postcard 20:18 [Demo]: thanks, also... I have ablessed magic lamp, anything partiocular I want as a drow femana? I feel like I want something that gives me half-damage or something else to make me more survoivable? 20:23 <[Demo]> femana lol 20:23 I really wany premium heart, but it is metal and that's bad for drow right? 20:24 <[Demo]> not for myrf 20:24 <[Demo]> you arent actually a drow 20:24 Oh, so the "itchy" message I can ignore completely?!? 20:24 <[Demo]> thats a thing for you? 20:25 <[Demo]> really? 20:25 <[Demo]> oh fuck im dumb 20:25 I get the message, but I definitely still recover some hp 20:25 <[Demo]> i have on gloves 20:25 <[Demo]> yeah no thats a thing for myrf too 20:25 <[Demo]> premium heart would be bad for you 20:25 bleh, because I do need gauntlets of power I think, otherwise I'm capped at 18 str which sucks? 20:25 <[Demo]> honestly 20:26 <[Demo]> my artiwishes would go to the t shirt and probably quicksilver 20:26 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 20:26 quicksilver? 20:27 <[Demo]> slotless very fast speed 20:27 Ah right, so just for carrying, to free up flying boots? 20:28 I really wish I could wish for the flourite octet, how awesome would that be in the blaster?! 20:28 pistol* 20:29 <[Demo]> not sure how it works there 20:29 <[Demo]> oh i wouldnt have artiwished til castle but ok 20:30 The thing is I am so so fragile 20:31 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:33 Also presumably if an artifact is between here and castle I'd be sad if I didn't wish earlier? 20:33 <[Demo]> i cant think of anyway ogresmasher would make sense for you 20:33 <[Demo]> what? 20:34 <[Demo]> dnh dont care about randomly generated artifacts when it comes to wishes 20:34 <[Demo]> you get 2 free ones regardless of shit 20:34 <[Demo]> and then after that it gets lower 20:35 <[Demo]> so artiwishes are a lategame thing for some role/race combos 20:36 Ah. Oopsies. 20:36 Wait what ogresmasher? 20:36 Oh, for str 20:36 <[Demo]> and con 20:36 <[Demo]> but you wouldnt use it lategame 20:36 <[Demo]> and that would be a huge waste of an artiwish /slot/ 20:37 <[Demo]> ana not twoweaponing is a sin 20:41 well, I died to an invisible uruk-hai 20:41 So! :) 20:42 <[Demo]> do an easier ana race 20:43 <[Demo]> dwarf is pretty high up there, so is ana 20:43 <[Demo]> human is too 20:43 <[Demo]> just run for the quest level 20:43 <[Demo]> and raid all the good gear 20:43 Huh, 3.6.1 has an "acoustics" option which is basically voluntary deafness. 20:43 :o 20:43 But it isn't a roleplay option like blind is. 20:44 The problem is [Demo] I am addicted to the Black Web 20:44 You can unset it. 20:44 The Eddergud is my everything... 20:46 But now I am going to stumble into bed, via my shower, I'm a stinky winky! 20:46 G'night all and good luck :) 20:46 ?quit 20:46 -!- tubs has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:55 <[Demo]> heh 20:57 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 21:00 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:01 bhaak: I've submitted my level gen documentation pull request (not entirely complete, but I decided if it's going to get some eyeballs, might as well get them early.) Anything else I should do here? 21:12 -!- mpt| has quit [] 21:27 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 21:54 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 21:54 *returns* 21:55 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 22:00 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:06 Experimenting with a new formula for how often a randomly generated door is made a secret door (mostly relevant in the Dungeons of Doom filler levels): https://i.imgur.com/cdUs1m8.png. What do people think? 22:06 Makes sense 22:06 I think secret doors are one of the most infuriating things a. on early dungeon levels, b. for new-ish players. 22:07 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:07 I don't think the formula works well going into Gehennom (assuming secret doors can be found there), but then again maybe it does? 22:07 Other than things like vaults and vlad holes etc. 22:08 Those closets usually *don't* have secret doors. (They have secret corridors behind them though.) 22:08 Tbh after a certain point they become only mildly irritating rather than a full on annoyance, I'm not really sure what the actual point of them are? 22:08 I thought the doors were secret but they always had an engraving/writing in front? 22:09 Oh, possibly. 22:09 and in xnh you can easily see the engraving :D 22:09 But those are fine because you don't NEED them, and you can find them with the writing. 22:09 That shows engravings as a glyph? 22:10 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 22:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 22:10 Yes, it was one of the more major refactors I have done (because it revealed how badly I had been messing up tilesets from other stuff) 22:10 The biggest refactor so far was doormasks, though. 22:11 In any case, yes, engravings in xnh are visible from a distance. 22:11 Secret doors and corridors are my #1 hated feature in nethack tbh. 22:11 One of the reasons I didn't go to bed is because I am writing up some ideas I had while I was in the shower :) 22:11 Also I'm not quite drunk enough to sleep yet 22:11 Ooh, pretty please upload them when you're done. 22:12 I will, if only so people can tell me why things can never work! 22:17 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:18 K2: pushed some fixes, a featurefix and a balance change to secret doors 22:19 ok 22:19 i saw your commit to vanilla 22:19 documentation only commit 22:22 xNetHack updated (us and eu) 22:32 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 22:53 aosdict: https://pastebin.com/aKMWqk18 there you go, I am pretty sure 70% of what I thought of in the shower has evaporated though :-) 22:56 I shall attempt bed again now though, nn all. 22:56 -!- tubs has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:45 !tell tubs I have some agreements and some disagreements, but am not sure what is the best format to respond. 23:45 Will do, aosdict!