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An object appears at your feet! The voice of Mr. Maradonna booms: "Use my gift wisely!" You see here a polished silver shield named Itlachiayaque {20}. 06:45 I should probably implement livelogging for sacrifice gifts at some point 06:51 <[Demo]> yeah 06:52 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 06:54 great, someone made a pit on my coaligned altar! 06:58 <[Demo]> :( 06:58 ... and peaceful monsters keep falling in 06:58 <[Demo]> that happened to me too much in slashem with damn sparkbugs and wands of digging 06:58 <[Demo]> or lightning bugs 06:58 oh :( 06:58 yeah those things are ultra dangerous in regular slashem, where item destruction still runs rampant 06:59 they're also ultra dangerous in dnhslex :D 06:59 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:4363 07:06 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 07:12 -!- tubs has quit [Quit: *poof*] 07:19 -!- tubs has joined #hardfought 07:31 -!- hpardis_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:47 !who 07:47 elenmirie: [hdf-us] Tariru [slex] Tangles [4k] 07:47 elenmirie: [hdf-eu] AmyBSOD [slex] winsalot [fh] elenmirie [xnh] 07:48 -!- mpt| has joined #hardfought 07:49 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:50 -!- tubs has quit [Quit: *poof*] 08:38 FIQ: nah, doesn't make sense that a newt would somehow have some maxed attributes just to make it have 75 total. 08:42 <@Winsalot> ok, so It seems like turning my pet invisible wasn't the best idea 08:43 <@Tone> Not if you can no longer see it, no 😄 08:57 [hdf-us] [slex] Tariru (Rog Ang Fem Cha) killed Girtab, on T:77107 08:58 -!- Tariru_ has joined #hardfought 09:01 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:06 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:08 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:8727 09:16 FIQ: Were I implementing monster attributes, I would first do a step where they're static and just permonst fields, not changeable on an individual monster basis but still useful for symmetry in things like skill checks. 09:17 Honestly, I think trying to replicate the player-stat-init code on the monster side is not worth it. 09:18 I would probably go for a simplified version with 19 fields: min, max, min starting for each attribute, plus one other field representing the number of points that get added with a uniform distribution. 09:19 Even that might be too complicated. 09:19 I don't think it will be a very useful exercise to come up with ability score distribution weighting numbers for every monster. 09:24 aosdict: Making attributes dynamic on monsters is the easy part IMO 09:24 The awkward part is trying to figure out attributes for each monster type 09:24 FIQ: Yes, but it would be a good small(er) first step. Not saying I wouldn't later build them out to be dynamic. 09:25 But I don't think I'd ever go as far as providing distribution weights for each permonst. 09:26 As for initialization, if you think forced 75 stat points on each monster is undesirable, I'd probably just simply list attribute levels for each kind of monster and have a general fuzzer of +/-2 points across the board for each monster 09:26 Could do that on players too if I wanted 09:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 5182 points, T:5465, killed by a panther 09:27 ugh 09:28 Actually the way I'd probably do it is to randomly increase and decrease points for each monster, kinda like how ADOM potions of exchange work 09:28 The reason I like having some backup points distributed randomly is it means you could occasionally run into a super-strong gnome or a super-charismatic tiger or something 09:28 That would work too. 09:28 basically, something like 09:29 get the total of the fixed attribute scores 09:29 then, that total / 5, points is randomly swapped 09:30 Sure. 09:31 Has the advantage of not having to balance the number of extra points. 09:31 Do you think applying this system for players too would be a bad idea? 09:31 I personally see no issues with making player attributes somewhat more consistent 09:31 (but still random) 09:36 Seems like it might make it _less_ random, which could be a bad thing. 09:38 [hdf-us] [slex] Tariru (Rog Ang Fem Cha) killed Isabel, on T:77212 09:41 [hdf-us] [slex] Tariru (Rog Ang Fem Cha) killed Shelob, on T:77274 09:58 YANI: Spider nest room. Contains giant and cave spiders. Each square has a 70% chance of having a web on it. Loot consists of several "bones piles" scattered through the room with a corpse and a few random objects; no food. 09:58 YANI: Spiders have an attack that tries to wrap you in a web, restricting movement or to-hit or something. 09:59 [hdf-us] [slex] Tariru (Rog Ang Fem Cha) killed Geryon, on T:77599 10:01 [hdf-us] [nd] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1964 points, T:2234, killed by a killer bee 10:12 [hdf-us] [slex] Tariru (Rog Ang Fem Cha) killed Venonir, on T:77993 10:15 <@Winsalot> is scroll of charning worth using on ring of increase damage in very early game? 10:15 Depends on what your other equipment is, I'd say. 10:15 Maybe. 10:16 Having identified the scroll, you can write more of them later when you get a marker. 10:16 So the question I'd ask is, would the scroll be better spent on something else _now_. 10:18 <@Winsalot> Nothing is better than more damage lol 10:19 Well, depending on equipment, applying it directly to your weapon might improve damage _and_ accuracy. 10:19 And doesn't use up a ring slot. 10:19 BUt as I said, it depends on your equipment. 10:19 IF your current weapon is a throw-away, then you don't want to enchant that. 10:20 Or if you're a Ranger, wielding a bow, likewise. 10:21 <@Winsalot> wait, I can use charging scroll on weapons? 10:23 k2 & aosdict: i rarely rub magic lamps, but in my orc wizard game i rubbed two and was 0 for 2 10:23 maxed luck at the time 10:24 if i find one in this game i will rub it if i don't get killed first 10:25 @Winsalot Oh, wait, no, sorry. 10:25 I was thinking Brogue. 10:25 Charging only works on rings, wands, tools (most notably markers), in NetHack. 10:26 So yeah, the increase damage ring is a pretty good target early-game. 10:30 <@Winsalot> Btw, you guys tried playing DCSS? Am I the only one feeling that that game is kinda bland? 10:31 <@Winsalot> Like that game doesn't even let me choke on my food. 10:37 [hdf-us] [nd] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:781 10:44 <@Winsalot> If my pet falls into a pit, is there a way to help him out? 10:47 elenmirie: have YOU ever gotten a wish from a magic lamp in xnh? 10:59 @Winsalot I had trouble getting into DCSS, yeah. Never got very far. I felt like I was wandering aimlessly around a mostly-empty dungeon, picking up worthless objects and easily killing monsters, until all of a sudden one of the monsters that _seemed_ exactly identical to the ones I'd been easily kiling, one-shots me out of the blue, typically at depth 2 or 3. 10:59 I back-burnered DCSS and moved on to ADOM. 11:01 <@Winsalot> ffs, first lost my armour to poly trap, then died to fucken zombie 11:36 <@Tone> I've heard a lot of people with similar opinions of dcss @Winsalot 11:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hea Swn Fem Neu), 537 points, T:990, killed by a dwarf 11:42 jonadab: Probably an orcish priest 11:42 They do like no damage but has a smite ability that hurts a lot 11:42 DCSS monster ability use is pretty much entirely random 11:42 Leading to what you see 11:45 [hdf-us] [nh] pavelek (Val Hum Fem Law), 5572 points, T:2196, choked on an owlbear corpse 11:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 cursed rusty historic scrolls of genocide named my audience", on T:27473 11:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed greased historic lit magic marker named steve ditko", on T:27504 12:01 [hdf-us] [slex] Tariru (Rog Ang Fem Cha) killed Sith, the Cat, on T:79186 12:03 [hdf-us] [slex] Tariru (Rog Ang Fem Cha) killed Desert Dwarf, on T:79199 12:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:27552 12:07 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 12:08 . 12:08 Chris_ANG: Message from @riker at 2018-03-26 11:41 EDT: fwitw, can we have a #spirits command to show bound spirits & timeouts? drawing seals works too, but it can't be done always 12:08 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-03-26 12:00 EDT: I want non-BUC-known things to automatically merge onto BUC-known ones in dnethack (e.g. I have a stack of 5 known-uncursed food rations, it would be great if picking a non-known-uncursed one automatically merged onto that stack as long as it's also uncursed 12:08 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-03-26 12:18 EDT: when studying a spellbook of which I already know the ward, it would be great if it told me which ward it is :D 12:08 Chris_ANG: Message from FIQ at 2018-03-27 03:55 EDT: You should be able to pray as an Anachronaut who saved the future 12:08 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-03-28 06:25 EDT: why is there no vaapad lightsaber form :D 12:08 Chris_ANG: Message from @riker at 2018-03-28 11:49 EDT: idea: monks will only get gifted weapon classes they have hit with (skills or maybe just "blunt", "edged", "stabby", etc.) 12:08 Chris_ANG: Message from @riker at 2018-03-28 11:49 EDT: another idea: gods are more likely to grant artifacts that you already have skill in (i.e. aren't restricted in) over ones you are / have less/no skill in 12:08 Chris_ANG: Message from @riker at 2018-03-28 12:18 EDT: I hit the previous msgs command (ctrl-p) and the game crashed? recovered fine though (in minetown shop after selling a lot of stuff) 12:08 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-03-28 15:02 EDT: seriously, what's up with dnethack crashes always claiming false trickeries that erase your game. My chiropteran samurai (dnhslex) just wanted to open the discoveries screen and blam. 12:08 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-03-28 15:40 EDT: these messages are misleading: You miss the uninjured grid bug. The uninjured grid bug just misses! You hit the bloodied grid bug. The bloodied grid bug bites! - shouldn't the grid bug be "bloodied" only after I hit him? The messages sound like he was bloodied before the hit and is now wounded worse... 12:13 <@riker> i can always tell when chris comes back 12:14 <@riker> !tell LarienTelrunya vaapad == juyo, already in the game 12:14 Will do, @riker! 12:14 !tell LarienTelrunya re telling you which ward is on a spellbook even if you already know it: That has been sitting on the to-do list for ages now. Re vaapad lightsaber form: That's a variant of Form... 7?... that works against/has a lot to do with the Dark Side of the Force. Since there's no Force in dnh, there's no Vaapad. Juyo is very similar to how Vaapad would be, though. 12:14 Will do, Chris_ANG! 12:14 lol 12:14 <@riker> ninja'ed 12:14 <@riker> anyway sorry for the pingfest 12:14 Hazards of being away for a few days. 12:15 <@riker> such is life 12:15 [hdf-us] [slex] Tariru (Rog Ang Fem Cha) killed Cait the cat, on T:79303 12:15 Re #spirits: yes probably a good idea 12:16 !tell LarienTelrunya re false trickeries: Not sure. You seem to get more than the usual amount. 12:16 Will do, Chris_ANG! 12:17 <@riker> I'm still shocked porkman didn't have more than one bug during his ascensions 12:18 !tell LarienTelrunya re message order with bloodied etc: That has been on the refinements list for ages, but given how the bloodied/etc messages are currently implemented wouldn't be straightforward to implement. 12:18 Will do, Chris_ANG! 12:20 Re FIQ: Anas who have saved the future SHOULD be able to pray. They should also gain the ability to make regular sacrifices, not that you'd ever be able to do that in a normal game. 12:21 <@riker> can't you sac on the high altar? 12:22 I thought it refused anything but the amulet? Didn't test. 12:22 <@riker> I didn't think so but maybe 12:23 [hdf-us] [nd] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 831 points, T:2381, killed by a gnome king 12:25 <@riker> yeah you can chris 12:25 <@riker> at least in vanilla 12:25 Yeah, just tested. 12:25 You can, but it has to be in your inventory. 12:25 It skips looking at the ground. 12:25 <@riker> no repro in vanilla 12:25 <@riker> >_> 12:25 Weird. 12:26 3.6 vanilla or 3.4.3 vanilla? 12:26 <@riker> .4.2 12:26 <@riker> er 12:26 <@riker> .3 but yea 12:26 Weird. Maybe one of the patches I included. 12:26 <@riker> astral escape maybe 12:26 <@riker> i think you have that one 12:27 Like, leaving without #offering? No. I have one that re-colors the high altars, and one that prevents Call-IDing high priests. 12:27 Also NAO. 12:27 (Parts of NAO, that is) 12:27 <@riker> oh huh 12:28 <@riker> astral escape is teh #invoke amulet to ascend I think 12:35 Chris_ANG: ahh, way ahead of me are you huh :P 12:35 Yup :P 12:36 [hdf-us] [slex] Tariru (Rog Ang Fem Cha) killed Paimon Flyer, on T:79727 12:37 [hdf-us] [slex] Tariru (Rog Ang Fem Cha) killed Utsutsu Mujuro the Blind, on T:79736 12:37 <@riker> !le?utsutsu mujuro the blind 12:37 <@riker> @le?utsutsu mujuro the blind 12:37 Utsutsu Mujuro the Blind (&) | Lvl: 41 | Diff: 54 | Spd: 18 | Res: cold sleep disintegrate poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 70 | Generates: unique | AC: -7 | Attacks: 5d5 weapon physical, 5d5 weapon physical, 5d5 gaze fear, 5d5 weapon physical, 5d5 gaze blind | Alignment: -10 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, stalker 12:48 <@Winsalot> In fh, is it bad idea to dip my main weapon into potion of wonder? 12:48 <@riker> what is the weapon? 12:48 <@Winsalot> spear +4 12:48 <@riker> and you migth want to use it on a nice bit of armor instead 12:48 <@riker> !whereis winsalot 12:48 @riker: [hdf-us] winsalot is not currently playing on this server. 12:48 @riker: [hdf-eu] winsalot [fh]: (Pri Hum Mal Cha) T:4365 The Dungeons of Doom level: 6 12:49 <@Winsalot> But it can still fuck up my gear, right? 12:50 <@riker> yes it can 12:50 <@riker> but if you find something like a plain dwarvish mithril then you may want to try dipping 12:50 or you can use it on your DSM 12:50 since it isn't hard to manufacture new 12:50 once you have DSM that is 12:51 Blessed +2 gray DSM of brilliance and fumbling. 12:51 <@Winsalot> Or maybe you FIQ could change blessed potion of wonder to not give bad properies 😃 12:51 no 12:51 No, that would be unbalanced. 12:51 <@Winsalot> 😦 12:51 being a risk is by design 12:52 FWIW the vast majority of object properties are good 12:52 Drinking is much riskier 12:52 <@Winsalot> Ok, dipped my spear, got earching property 12:52 (but also potentially more rewarding -- phasing...) 12:53 I should probably add a RNG for drinking wonder 12:53 Indeed, it should probably be on its own RNG. 12:55 <@Winsalot> What do you mean by that? 12:56 @Winsalot only relevant for setseed. 12:56 <@Winsalot> ok 13:11 !tell LarienTelrunya Wiping a cream pie off my face in my SLEX game has managed to overflow the blindness counter to a negative (-3355432), and there seems to be no way to remove the blindness now. 13:11 Will do, Tariru_! 13:12 <@Tone> involuntary zen conduct, it's a feature 😄 13:15 <@Tone> Tariru_ Can you fix it with a potion of extra healing or similar? 13:15 Nope, tried that. 13:15 And tried doing something to increase the blindness counter to wrap it around again, doesn't work. 13:16 <@Tone> huh, well that's annoying 13:18 <@Tone> I suppose slex doesn't have artifact cream pies that confer permablindness 13:23 -!- Tariru_ has left #hardfought 13:28 Can't wipe his face, I suppose? 13:33 <@Winsalot> Feels good to encounter my own bones level and kill the fucker mumak that got me last time. 13:41 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:49 EPI: a monster attack that sets your blindness counter to -65535 13:50 Maybe the hallu counter also. 13:53 <@Winsalot> I'm so happy I found one of my old bones. I was really sad to die with that high enchanted gear, but now I have it back. Cursed, but it's fine 13:53 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/429337404936290306/Screenshot_2018-03-30_20-52-06.png 13:55 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 13:56 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Mon Ang Fem Law), 33122 points, T:2387, quit 14:07 jonadab: So basically clawing your eyes out? 14:08 aosdict: Heh, sure. 14:08 Flavor it however you want. 14:09 It's no more evil than the monster attacks that permanently cut off limbs. 14:09 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Med Orc Fem Cha), 317 points, T:490, killed by a monster (migo queen) 14:09 And if you last enough turns, long enough for it to overflow, they grow back. 14:11 hi 14:11 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 14:11 @le?chestburster 14:11 No such monster. 14:11 @z?chestburster 14:11 <[Demo]> slex is a game of faking 14:11 EPI: chestbursters that burst out of your chest, killing you. 14:11 As in the movie Alien 14:11 Adeon: let's get pinobot to report zapm monsters :P 14:12 Heh. 14:12 He'll be all over that like white on rice, I'm sure. 14:12 -!- jared55 has joined #hardfought 14:14 hah jonadab 14:14 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:16 Like college boys on free pizza. 14:19 like a pack of soldier ants coverging on lvl 2 arc that just found grayswandir on dlvl 1 14:19 Heh. 14:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 830 points, T:1542, killed by a giant bat 14:24 * aosdict changes the fiqhack updated script to see how many times jonadab has started a message with "Heh" 14:24 285 since I began logging 14:26 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Kni Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:1144 14:32 <@Winsalot> Phew. Fixing my previous failyures 😃 14:32 <[Demo]> more like losing pvp to yourself 14:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 219 points, T:1890, killed by a gnome zombie 14:33 <@Winsalot> lol 14:34 *winning* pvp against yourself 14:34 <[Demo]> that too 14:34 <@Winsalot> Schrodinger's pvp 14:35 -!- irina|log has joined #hardfought 14:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v irina|log] by ChanServ 14:37 -!- irina|log has quit [Client Quit] 14:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 168 points, T:1598, killed by a sewer rat 14:38 knights cant hit for shit early game 14:38 forgot about that 14:38 you miss 14:38 you miss 14:38 you miss 14:38 x10 14:38 they should be as competent as valks, right? Basic long sword? 14:38 Unless you're riding. 14:38 yes 14:38 -!- irina|log has joined #hardfought 14:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v irina|log] by ChanServ 14:38 but their starting dex is low 14:38 Ah right. 14:38 and str inst so hot every time either 14:38 isnt 14:39 -!- jared55 has quit [Quit: *poof*] 14:40 FIQ: if you were going to do the starting stat fuzzing on the player's side too, would you retain the guaranteed minimums? 14:42 aosdict: Heh. 14:42 :-) 14:43 jonadab: Oh, I wasn't counting times when you said "foo: Heh." 14:43 Just when you started a message with it. 14:44 Ah. 14:44 heh 14:44 370 for it appearing anywhere in the message :-) 14:44 Perhaps you should count all occurrances of /\bheh\b/i and GROUP BY nick. 14:45 why do you think I store irc logs in a SQL database 14:45 I don't, I just stated it that way figuring you'd know what I mean. 14:46 Actual implementation details are left as an exercise. 14:46 (No relational database I'm aware of would support that regular expression, so clearly I was writing pseudocode.) 14:54 [hdf-us] [un] ttc1401 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 154655 points, T:25586, crushed to death by a collapsing drawbridge 14:58 jonadab: did you add this (or something similar to this) to fourk? - https://bilious.alt.org/?309 14:59 K2: are you Keith in the replies? 14:59 i think so! 14:59 i had made a win32 and ms-dos local build with a bunch of patches years ago, i remember including this patch 15:00 K2: Yes. 15:00 I applied that patch, and then made some additional modifications to it. 15:00 yeah thats me... the date I uploaded and made public my compile matches the post dates 15:01 jonadab nice 15:01 curious as to what modifications you made 15:06 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:06 -!- Tariru_ has joined #hardfought 15:10 <@Winsalot> What the fuck. There are 2 balrogs right now. One tame, one hostile. 15:10 <@Winsalot> WHere tf did the hoistile one come from? 15:10 K2: I don't recall the details, it's been a while. 15:10 <@Winsalot> Oh fuck, there are 2 hostile balrogs against my one! 15:10 <@Winsalot> Mission abort! 😃 15:11 jonadab i'll have to search your commits 15:11 K2: look for things with an Author: field of Leon Arnott 15:11 ok 15:11 that would be L i take it 15:11 Yes. 15:13 K2: Looks like commit 42805c62844895c0 15:13 ah thanks 15:14 [hdf-us] [slex] ttc1401 (Pri Gno Mal Law), 990 points, T:1973, killed by a queevolt 15:15 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:15 Looks like my most important change was for nurses. 15:15 In the original, they "punch", I changed it back to "touch" 15:16 yeah i love your comments 15:16 'because I am a silly nerd who actually cares about things like grammar and terminology.' 15:17 aosdict - https://github.com/tsadok/nhfourk/commit/42805c62844895c0391750052a2824171a3ab9c2 15:17 as a suggestion 15:17 and i may just add this grunthack 15:17 forgot all about this 15:17 K2: See also commit 940809616531bc 15:18 Cosmetic-only features are a lower priority. 15:18 (says the person who just spent two days implementing tin labels) 15:18 OTOH, cosmetic-only features have a lower chance of upsetting players. 15:18 agreed. should focus on E word conduct instead 15:18 good point 15:19 K2: you know it won't strictly be E word conduct right? 15:19 it'll be any time you scared a monster via E or ?oSM 15:20 YANI: add community members to hallucinatory monster inventory 15:20 ^ for slex 15:20 aosdict: yeah that makes sense as ?oSM is the new E word 15:21 Write E all you want, the conduct is only broken when you actually scare something with it. 15:22 however, suggest maybe separating the two (e word and scroll) 15:22 becuase a brand new spoiled player can start a new game and spam E word from turn 1 15:22 but you actually have to find and successfully pick up a ?oSM 15:22 not worth tracking two fairly obscure game mechanics separatel 15:22 y 15:23 (pick up if you want to save it for later that is) 15:23 consider this 15:23 if you're writing elbereth, your intent is to have it protect you 15:24 therefore in the act of engraving it, you break the conduct 15:24 same as if you wish for an artifact - doesnt matter if you receive it or not, you still break the conduct 15:25 now, your idea of the conduct being broken if a monster is scared by it would apply to places in the game where the word already exists 15:25 sokoban and castle 15:25 thats actually a good idea, i dont think current E word conduct in existing variants count that 15:26 right, you can currently lock yourself in one of the castle turrets, stack the room edges with boulders, and revgeno D 15:26 and not break the conduct 15:26 ^^ that 15:29 [hdf-us] [fh] ahrimen (Val Dwa Fem Law), 31873 points, T:2035, killed by a rothe 15:29 you figure out how to check againt that scenario, i'd add it to grunthack and sporkhack e word conduct tracking 15:31 new knight, finds spellbook dlvl 2, reads it - magic missile 15:31 \o/ 15:31 Nice. 15:31 i'll be dead soon 15:31 Dead from rebounding magic missile? 15:32 Need reflection or MR. 15:32 no 15:32 dead from some random sewer rat or bat 15:32 because i found my special spell so early 15:32 the RNG is not pleased I imagine 15:34 !who 15:34 aosdict: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] ahrimen [fh] colforbin [nh] k2 [xnh] 15:34 aosdict: [hdf-eu] winsalot [fh] tubs [dnh] 15:35 well, knight's special spell isn't MM anyway, but even more so in xnh. :) 15:38 <[Demo]> trying to find shit to do tonight but it looks like im gonna end up spending the night playing nethack 15:38 <[Demo]> oh well 15:38 aosdict what? magic missile is knight special spell 15:38 no, it's wizards' 15:38 ooh 15:39 wait 15:39 <[Demo]> get xnethacked 15:39 thinking of quest artifact 15:39 <[Demo]> fix ur variant name 15:39 <[Demo]> cause like when ppl get fucked by fh i can say get fiqd 15:39 <[Demo]> but that doesnt work with xnh 15:39 it doesn't work with any other variants either 15:39 <@Winsalot> @FIQ I crashed your variant on eu hardfought 15:39 [Demo]: get xed. 15:40 xed looks like a command-line hexdumping version of ed. 15:40 Heh. 15:40 <@Winsalot> So whole hardfought crashed? 15:40 exed then. 15:40 @Winsalot lol no 15:40 K2 is still here, I assume not 15:41 your FIQhack game crashed 15:41 Let me guess, by "crashed" you mean "got the panic/impossible/desync dialog"? 15:41 that does not always mean the server itself crashed 15:41 <[Demo]> xed is x11 ed 15:41 <[Demo]> so like a little gui window for ed 15:41 <@Winsalot> no, when I load the save it goes back to hardfought lobby 15:41 <[Demo]> just like xnethack is X11 nethack 15:41 Ah, that sounds like a segfault then. 15:41 <@Winsalot> and then just goes crazy 15:42 <[Demo]> not this crap 15:42 FIQ will need to look at your save 15:42 ? 15:42 there he is 15:42 <@Winsalot> very responsive dev ❤ 15:42 @Winsalot is your account name the same as your handle here? 15:42 uhh can someone tell me what is going on 15:42 <@Winsalot> yeah 15:42 ok 15:43 <[Demo]> fuck me 15:43 FIQ: fiqhack game crash 15:43 ahh ok 15:43 [hdf-us] [fh] nerfpurplegargoyle (Demo) (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 73068 points, T:13050, petrified by catching the eye of Medusa 15:43 impossible? panic? segfault? 15:43 grabbing save 15:43 [Demo]: ouch 15:43 <[Demo]> thought my ring of levitation was my blindfold 15:43 levitation rings usually doesn't do that sadly 15:43 <[Demo]> yeah i put blindfold on P 15:43 <[Demo]> cause thats where towel goes 15:43 <[Demo]> and levitation ring goes on p 15:43 powel 15:43 <[Demo]> PP 15:44 that sounds error-prone 15:44 <[Demo]> it makes it really easy to put it on 15:44 <[Demo]> blindfold goes in a in a regular variant where you can put it on by applying it 15:44 You can do that outside NH4? 15:45 <[Demo]> good lord 15:45 <@Winsalot> so, what about my save file? Is there any hope? 15:45 <@Winsalot> was doing quite well 15:46 you were going to die unavoidably in 10 turns anyway, don't feel bad 15:46 :P 15:46 see pm please FIQ 15:47 <[Demo]> what should i splat next in fh? 15:47