00:04 -!- emar has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:09 [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Arc Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:44969 00:11 !tell K2 pushed a fix to Plane of Water 00:11 Will do, FIQ! 00:12 K2: anyway ok 00:14 k 00:14 K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-03-26 00:11 EDT: pushed a fix to Plane of Water 00:16 did you update the server 00:17 did you see a message stating that I have yet? :) 00:17 no 00:17 but 00:17 !whereis mtf 00:17 FIQ: [hdf-us] mtf [fh]: (Arc Hum Mal Neu) T:45099 The Elemental Planes level: -3 (with Amulet) 00:17 FIQ: [hdf-us] mtf [sp]: (Archeologist human Mal Law) T:15 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 00:17 :P 00:18 [Fire] 00:18 its compiling 00:18 ok 00:19 FIQhack updated (us and eu) 00:21 [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Arc Hum Mal Neu) reached the Astral Plane, on T:45170 00:27 Congrats, mtf 00:29 [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 272720 points, T:45214, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mtf/fiqhack/dumplog/2018-03-26%2004%3A28%3A51%2C%20MTF-Arc-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20ascended.txt 00:31 @mtf grats! remember to save your vods permanently :p 00:31 <@mictf> 😄 oh I certainly will 00:31 <@mictf> gonna do it tonight 00:31 <@mictf> misery: thanks! 00:31 <@ahrimen> great game man! congrats on the iwn 00:32 <@mictf> haha thanks man 😄 I really had a lot of fun with that Arc 00:32 <@mictf> had a bit of a rocky start 00:32 <@mictf> but whadya know, no arch-liches on d:10 and things go pretty well 00:33 maybe the next time I can watch properly too :P (I followed in watchmode) 00:33 1080p60 was too much for this poor thing 00:34 <@mictf> yea sorry man 00:34 <@mictf> a few people complained 00:34 <@mictf> about the quality being too high lul 00:34 <@mictf> I'm thinking I might drop it to 30fps next time 00:35 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:35 <@mictf> FIQ: btw I love the in-flight-dev'ing lol 00:35 <@mictf> fucking hilarious 00:45 aah 00:46 *hah 00:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:53 <@mictf> FIQ: made the VOD's, put some links to em on /r/roguelikes and /r/nethack 00:53 <@mictf> time to get some more interesting in FH 😃 00:53 <@mictf> more interest* 00:58 cool :) 01:03 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 01:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 01:30 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 01:35 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:35 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf 01:46 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 01:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 01:50 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Pri Inc Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:15806 02:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] noty (Hea Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 stormhelm", on T:28671 02:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] noty (Hea Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 helping hand", on T:28723 02:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] noty (Hea Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 cloak of the unheld one", on T:28730 02:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] noty (Hea Inc Mal Neu) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:28814 02:30 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:31 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 02:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 02:38 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Pri Inc Mal Neu) was given Tensa Zangetsu, on T:17336 02:46 [hdf-us] [fh] Blue (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) received Magicbane from Anhur, on T:1668 02:49 [hdf-us] [fh] Blue (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 42337 points, T:1995, quit 02:55 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:06 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:09 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 03:14 As far minetown goes 03:14 this one was rather meh 03:14 Only two stores, only thing worth buying was a lock pick cause the RNG is being :( 03:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] Elysium (Bin Elf Fem Non), 51 points, T:83, killed by a kobold 03:38 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Pri Inc Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:20025 03:40 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 03:40 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5008 03:44 ... 03:45 * NCommander didn't ident it 03:45 But OK 03:50 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Elysium (Bin Hum Fem Non), 25 points, T:219, killed by a small dart 03:51 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 04:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] NCommander (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 15686 points, T:7107, killed by a bolt of fire 04:23 Damn 04:23 WHAT WAS A GREEN SLIME DOING ON DL:11?! 04:23 * NCommander didn't survive burning the slime off 04:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Pri Inc Mal Neu) was given the Gauntlets of Spell Power, on T:21969 04:31 is was collecting footprints 04:40 -!- theRaisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 04:40 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 04:57 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:07 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 05:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 05:29 !who 05:29 FIQ: [hdf-us] cpittman [nh4] Grasshopper [nd] 05:29 FIQ: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [xnh] 05:42 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Pri Inc Mal Neu) was given Quicksilver, on T:23901 06:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Pri Inc Mal Neu) was given Nodensfork, on T:24056 06:27 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Ran Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:21167 06:43 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 06:49 !tell ais523 the results of (un)block_point(y,x) isn't saved in the save file, this might be related to why you have to reset the vision system on a gamestate jump 06:49 Will do, FIQ! 06:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Pri Inc Mal Neu) was given the Black Arrow, on T:24752 07:00 aosdict: google no longer just assumes I meant nethack when typing "xnethack", allthough it still sgugests nethack as typo correction 07:06 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:22444 07:09 -!- emar has joined #hardfought 07:15 !tell K2 add rings of carrying 07:15 Will do, FIQ! 07:16 ±50 carrycap per encantment 07:18 FIQhack updated (us and eu) 07:18 K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-03-26 07:15 EDT: add rings of carrying 07:18 As usual, this doesn't break saves 07:19 or increment version numbers. with the updates and changes you've made over the last year, you should probably be on version 6.x something 07:19 :D 07:21 I will probably release 4.3.1 after Junethack since it will inevitably bring bug fixes 07:21 But not break saves 07:21 hehe 07:21 FIQ --> http://termbin.com/zhmy 07:21 warnings i get during compile 07:22 ok off to work 07:22 all but the last one is known 07:22 see you soon 07:22 see you 07:35 I miss when Google used to do actual full text searching 07:40 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 07:48 what is more readable? http://home.fiq.se/container.patch before or after change 07:50 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Pri Inc Mal Neu) destroyed the Legion, on T:25981 07:53 FIQ: NOt sure, but in either case, shouldn't the both and both reversed options only be listed if both inokay && outokay ? 07:55 That is not how it worked in NH3 and someone wanted it to work exactly like in NH3 07:55 But sure, I can see the merit in that 07:55 Note that this wouldn't reduce the amount of if statements 07:56 jonadab: anyway, IMO, the previous is definitely more hacky and dubious in that regard (which it really only is to silence the warning K2 brought up, the existing version before that is simpler), but I find it more readable 07:57 than the latter 07:57 It has less code duplication. 07:57 But yes, it's hacky. 07:58 (before, there was just MENUITEM, and it wasn't really hacky, but the compiler complained) 07:58 bottom https://raw.githubusercontent.com/FredrIQ/fiqhack/4.3.0/libnethack/src/pickup.c 07:59 What was the compiler's complaint? 07:59 "used only once"? 07:59 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha), 4872 points, T:591, killed by a crossbow bolt 08:00 http://termbin.com/zhmy 08:00 nnte that I don't want to silence the warning -- there is a real (useful) warning there, the last one in spoiler.c 08:00 and it just happens to be of the exact same type -- silencing the warning would have hidden it 08:02 (The spoiler.c warning is on me, not you, I introduced it when adding a new artifact effect) 08:05 Ah, that. 08:05 Right. 08:07 ok I left it alone for now except removing the n++ line (it's redundant) and capitalizing the macro 08:07 since it isn't pure 08:07 as in 08:07 it will still warn 08:12 A wizard starts with force bolt and healing. The first two random spellbooks he encounters are... 08:12 force bolt, and healing. 08:12 What are the chances? 08:13 well 08:13 100% this game ;) 08:37 heh 08:39 FIQ: duckduckgo still assumes that xnethack means nethack, but with a search for "xnethack" the top three results are the xnethack wiki page, the repo, and K2's messageboard post 08:40 xnethack does mean nethack! :-) 08:40 there are more links... I think xnethack may have been used in the past to refer to the x11 port 08:40 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse\splat 08:40 -!- raisse\splat is now known as theRaisse 08:40 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 08:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:40 <[Demo]> and still is dude 08:42 wooo 08:42 go elenmirie! 08:44 probably brought up before, but... 08:44 YANI: monks who obtain grand master skill in martial arts should be able to shatter boulders/statues with their bare hands 08:45 <[Demo]> ooh yeah 08:47 The xorn eats a bear trap! 08:47 only monks can ever get to grand master, right? 08:47 well, that's one way to get rid of it 08:47 om nom nom 08:47 yummy iron! 08:47 raisse I believe so yes 08:48 some day I'll try a weaponless monk again 08:56 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 09:02 orcus and then juiblex? hmm 09:05 going up from the VS level I suppose 09:09 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:2483 09:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Pri Inc Mal Neu) killed Axus, on T:27849 09:15 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:17 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Pri Inc Mal Neu) became the Envoy of Balance, on T:27955 09:23 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:35 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:51 K2: now that all unnethack combos have ascended, should I open up more races and roles? :-) 09:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 6005 points, T:4665, killed by a bolt of cold 09:54 bhaak: hahah 09:54 You don't even need to think up new ones. Just use slex as a data source. 09:54 you could mirror what sporkhack did 09:55 but i wouldnt do it just because :P 10:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Rog Vam Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1818 10:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Rog Vam Fem Cha), 11382 points, T:5085, killed by a giant spider 10:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Inc Fem Neu), 2919 points, T:504, killed by a rabid rat 10:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Inc Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:682 10:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Inc Fem Neu), 5475 points, T:784, killed by a freezing sphere 10:52 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 11:00 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Rog Inc Fem Cha) was given Stormbringer, on T:4456 11:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Rog Inc Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4947 11:13 <@riker> fuck I thought MR protected vs weeping angels 11:13 <@riker> :( 11:13 <@riker> just lost like 5 levels 11:13 wasn't it reflection that protects against their gaze? 11:14 <@riker> or drain resis / MC 11:14 <@riker> I'm not talking about the gaze tho 11:14 @d?weeping angel 11:14 weeping angel (A) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 18 | Spd: 48 | Res: fire cold sleep disintegrate poison acid petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 70 | Generates: dungeons | AC: -5 | Attacks: 0d0 gaze blink, 2d20 touch magic drain, 2d4 touch levtele-drain, 2d6 claw physical | Alignment: -7 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, thick hide, regenerates, seeinvis, nopoly 11:14 <@riker> oh yeah gaze is reflection 11:14 <@riker> the touch is the annoying one 11:14 "levtele-drain" lol, no wonder that works differently 11:15 <@riker> holy fuck 11:15 <@riker> no 11:15 <@riker> plz 11:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pir Inc Mal Neu), 110031 points, T:9894, killed by a blue jelly 11:15 <@riker> i thought i was cold resis 11:15 <@riker> oh well 11:15 that's how one of my promising grunthack chars died too 11:16 <@riker> !rng keep this priest even tho it's not what I want but it has a great start | no fuck that pirates 11:16 @riker: keep this priest even tho it's not what I want but it has a great start 11:16 <@riker> hm ok 11:16 <@riker> eh nvm 10 dex sucks 11:16 my thinking was "oh yeah I have 80-something HP and good skills, I'm invincible!" so I started whacking the blue jelly, and the blue jelly said "lol u noob u just died :P" 11:16 <@riker> ^ same 11:16 <@riker> I was training dagger so I was ignoring the "ineffective" messages 11:17 <@riker> I had like 5 good artifacts too (first one was on the second square of the game :() 11:17 heh, I somehow never find random artifacts in dnh, they seem to be kinda rare 11:17 <@riker> that's the special thing of pirates tho 11:17 <@riker> they have massively increased changes to find them 11:17 ah 11:18 <@riker> 4x iirc, 1/5 of an item being an artifact vs 1/20 11:18 !8ball shall I play dnhslex if my current slex char dies? 11:18 LarienTelrunya: My reply is no 11:18 hmm 11:18 <@riker> !rng listen to 8ball | don't | don't 11:18 @riker: don't 11:19 this slex char has intrinsic hunger, aggravate monster and conflict, I'll probably starve soon anyway :P 11:19 <@riker> courier? 11:19 yeah 11:20 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 11:20 oh come oooooooooon 11:20 died because I pressed the wrong button :( 11:21 <@riker> anyway amy have you fixed the travel 'bug'? 11:21 it's not a bug IMHO :P 11:21 <@riker> (when confused it checks direction every time it's changed, not every turn) 11:21 <@riker> yes it is 11:22 but I need to be able to reproduce it first 11:22 <@riker> it's not hard 11:22 <@riker> be confused 11:22 <@riker> try to travel in a straight line 11:22 <@riker> esp. in a corridor 11:22 <@riker> you end up travelling back the direction you started in 11:23 okay, can reproduce it, still not a bug IMHO; what would be the behavior you'd consider non-bugged? 11:23 (please don't say "make you walk normally as if you weren't confused" :P) 11:23 <@riker> every time confusion makes it change directions, move one square that direction 11:23 <@riker> instead of moving that direction until the 1/5 chance per square is triggered again 11:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 361 points, T:643, killed by a water moccasin 11:24 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:25 god I don't understand that uberwierdo vikeys control scheme 11:25 "k" is up??? wtf 11:25 anyway, the "bug" is also in vanilla 3.4.3 11:26 <@riker> ya 11:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] Elysium (Bin Hum Fem Non), 95 points, T:67, killed by a fox 11:26 <@riker> I know that, I just asked you since its' most relevent to slex 11:26 <@riker> since the addict race is a thing 11:27 *sigh* so I guess I have to look into that movement spaghetti code 11:27 NH4 has a fix 11:27 probably the "direction you entered" and "direction that confusion moved you" use the same variable, so the latter overrides the former :P 11:28 <@riker> ^ 11:28 so I'd have to introduce an extra variable... gah 11:28 meh 11:28 maybe I should just take the lazy way out and make it stop travelling if confusion/stun strikes 11:28 it's simple cod 11:28 e 11:28 <@riker> larien: of note this doesn't apply to the travel command 11:28 <@riker> only capital movements 11:29 <@riker> or number movements 11:29 yes, because travelto plots an actual path and tries to move you along that 11:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Elysium (Con Hum Fem Cha), 32 points, T:51, killed by a grid bug 11:30 colored branch staircases would really be useful in dnethack 11:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Rog Inc Fem Cha), 14175 points, T:6408, killed by a winter wolf cub 11:31 <@riker> larien: maybe, I kinda like that patch 11:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pir Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1285 11:36 <@riker> anyway gonna take a break now 11:36 <@riker> once you fix that I'm gonna play a slex american addict gladiator :D 11:40 is there a command that lets you see your currently known wards? 11:40 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:40 <@riker> yeah 11:40 <@riker> try to draw a ward 11:40 GAH 11:40 <@riker> ? 11:40 !tell Chris Please give us a command that lets us see currently known wards *without* accidentally making a motion towards the altar with the knife. A simple command that lists all currently known wards. Thanks! :) 11:40 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 11:41 <@riker> !tell Chris_ANG fwitw, can we have a #spirits command to show bound spirits & timeouts? drawing seals works too, but it can't be done always 11:41 Will do, @riker! 11:41 <@riker> ooooh ouch u dun fucked up 11:41 well, not my fault if such a crucially important command doesn't exist :P 11:41 * LarienTelrunya immediately adds a couple messages about that to slex 11:43 <@riker> but yeah I've done that before don't worry 11:44 <@riker> make sure you don't read scrolls on altars either 11:44 <@riker> i.e. if you BUC them and then read them 11:44 <@riker> ward (always) and warding (if you're not careful) will get you dinged for that too 11:45 and I guess even if I do try to ctrl-W on a non-altar, I only see the wards that I can engrave with whatever I decided to use, so it won't let me see e.g. stave wards, right? 11:46 if I had added a wards system to slex, I certainly wouldn't have forgotten to add a command that remembers the known wards for you! :P 11:46 <@riker> that's correct 11:47 <@riker> staff wards can be seen by trying to apply a dagger or knife 11:47 <@riker> (maybe any edged weapon) 11:47 wait, why do I know toustefna and dreprun and all kinds of stuff? I never learned those... 11:47 <@riker> dwarf? 11:47 <@riker> you start with them 11:47 yeah 11:47 <@riker> otherwsie, you start with the wards you have on your spellbooks 11:47 <@riker> (iirc bards start with all plain wards no matter what as well) 11:48 <@riker> but yeah dwarfs start wiht a club, knife, and knowledge of all staff wards (all 4) 11:48 so I'd have to engrave them into clubs I guess? 11:48 <@riker> yes 11:49 good thing I have a sane carry capacity in dnhslex, otherwise those ward-engraved things would slow me down :P 11:49 <@riker> or staffs, or anything wooden I think 11:49 <@riker> lol 11:49 <@riker> you can carve them into elven daggers I think 11:49 <@riker> and those are pretty light 11:49 it's also great how the engraved weapons then don't show what they are engraved with, so you have to manually call them something like "nymphs and leprechauns fuck off" :P 11:50 <@riker> ikr 11:50 J - ) an uncursed carved club named n and l fuck off 11:50 <@riker> I love that ward tho 11:50 <@riker> i name mine 'fuck nymphs' but yea 11:50 dnhslex adds a couple more stupid nymphs so it's even more important! 11:51 <@riker> no plz 11:51 <@riker> aosdict YANI to add to xnethack: remove 'n' 11:51 <@riker> >_> 11:55 I'm just re-discovering how much I hate the price identification mechanic 11:55 I considered removing it at one point 11:55 especially since spacebarring past the annoying "Wonotobo offers blah zorkmids for your scroll labeled WHO CARES" causes you to sell it, arrrrrrrrrgh 11:55 but backed out when people complained 11:55 @riker stealing from the player is a good mechanic 11:56 LarienTelrunya: just hold down esc instead 11:56 FIQ: heh, would you also remove player/monster symmetry when I complain? :P 11:56 the problem is stealing everything at once 11:56 LarienTelrunya: no 11:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Pir Hum Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2446 11:56 * LarienTelrunya is just so glad she ascended fourk before it got tainted with symmetry 11:56 if a majority of people is against something that doesn't directly align with FIQHack's design goals (hint hint!) 11:56 then I might back down 11:57 seriously, who wants to see every single scroll of identify or enchant weapon to be wasted by a goblin who decides to use it on his +0 orcish dagger? 11:57 <@riker> aosdict: no it's not 11:57 and if you're really unlucky, the goblin gets a cursed one and wastes remove curse scrolls on it 11:57 there has been a single exception to this 11:57 <@riker> larien: it's not that horrible 11:57 pet choking 11:57 I was going to add it 11:57 <@riker> ? 11:57 I even had the code for it ready 11:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Pir Hum Fem Neu), 2276 points, T:2571, killed by a flaming sphere, while reading a book 11:58 *everyone* said "FIQ NO" 11:58 yeah because what nethack needs is *even more* ways for pets to die 11:58 more or less 11:58 <@mictf> lol what are we FIQ NO'ing about 11:58 <@riker> pets choking on food 11:58 <@riker> what's with the new name mtf 11:58 <@mictf> ... fiq plz no 11:58 he's doing ctf competitions 11:58 aosdict: lol 11:58 <@riker> really? 11:58 @mictf this is old news 11:59 <@riker> I'd play that 11:59 <@mictf> lol 11:59 it was a while ago I was about to add this 11:59 <@riker> ctf_2fort /r/roguelikes match 11:59 <@mictf> micbran (one of our discord mods) and I have fused like gotenks from DBZ 11:59 <@mictf> wrong mictf 11:59 before you started playing I Think 11:59 <@mictf> you also pinged him xD 11:59 <@mictf> FIQ: oh I see 11:59 <@mictf> hello fiq! 11:59 that isn't my fault 11:59 mobile investigatory combat task force? 11:59 gah I want non-BUC-known things to automatically merge onto BUC-known ones in dnethack, all the good variants have that 11:59 blame the bot 11:59 <@riker> @mictf I'd like to point out that you see identical to mtf 11:59 <@riker> to mtf, to fiq I mean 11:59 <@riker> the bot doesn't show usernames just nicks 11:59 FIQ: nice patch idea: pets will never eat while satiated, leaving more food on the floor for you 11:59 <@riker> :p 11:59 <@mictf> yeah i know 12:00 <@mictf> lol ok 12:00 <@mictf> hey wait! 12:00 aosdict: that is a feature yes 12:00 <@mictf> hehe I know, just thought it was amusing that it picked micbran to ping over me 12:00 <@mictf> now youre really gonna confuse him 12:00 in FIQHack 12:00 !tell Chris_ANG I want non-BUC-known things to automatically merge onto BUC-known ones in dnethack (e.g. I have a stack of 5 known-uncursed food rations, it would be great if picking a non-known-uncursed one automatically merged onto that stack as long as it's also uncursed 12:00 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 12:00 <@mictf> @mictf obviously micbran is superior 12:00 <@mictf> ah yes, the amystorm 12:00 <@mictf> @mictf gasp how dare you 12:00 <@mictf> youre ruining our fusion 12:00 LarienTelrunya: even NH4 does this 12:00 <@mictf> hey nice colors 12:00 @mictf you guys are confusing me 12:00 FIQ: yeah, as I said, all the good variants have it, but dnethack somehow doesn't 12:00 <@mictf> fiq: ya dnh doesn't tho 12:00 it looks like you're talking to yourself 12:01 I know that was riker 12:01 <@mictf> lol 12:01 <@FIQ> shut up FIQ 12:01 because of the way he talks 12:01 <@mictf> xD 12:01 <@mictf> oh oh do me and mtf 12:01 <@riker> aw thanks 12:01 <@riker> lol 12:01 <@mictf> is this me or mtf 12:01 <@riker> > me and mtf 12:01 <@riker> nice try 12:01 it isn't mtf 12:01 <@mictf> damn 12:01 <@mictf> hes too good 12:01 <@riker> >_> 12:01 <@mictf> gottem 12:01 :P 12:01 <@riker> anyway amy is the confusion 'bug' fixed? 12:01 not sure if I've ever seen mtf use "gottem" 12:02 <@mictf> @mictf as I'm sure you know, fusion only last so long.... nooooooo 12:02 riker: wtf what the hell do you think I am? I'm not actually coding slex stuff right now 12:02 <@mtf> poof 12:02 <@Micbran> fair enough 12:02 <@riker> larien: i think you're playing dnh 12:02 if at all, it'll be in the next version 12:02 <@riker> :p 12:02 <@riker> I'm just bugging you about it 12:02 <@riker> ah ok 12:02 <@riker> then I won't hold my breath 12:02 he assumed you was me 12:02 and actually fixed things 12:02 when reported 12:02 <@mtf> xDDDD 12:03 <@mtf> not all of us can live up to your example FIQ 12:03 <@mtf> in-stream-bug-fixing 12:03 I had looked for that bug for a while 12:03 I just happened to find the cause pretty much right before you entered the planes 12:03 obtw @mtf 12:03 <@mtf> lol I was laughing when I entered the water plane and saw your message 12:03 did you see my question in rldev 12:03 <@mtf> was like "how omniscient is FIQ, fixing bugs before I find them" 12:03 <@bugsniper> @mictf doesn't work for me in discord though 12:04 @mtf haha 12:04 <@mtf> @bugsniper that's because we just split xD 12:04 I was watching you play 12:04 but couldn't really see your reactions 12:04 I also alluded to the MF right after you entered votd 12:04 <@mtf> MF? 12:04 the greatest mechanic in the game 12:04 the mysterious force 12:04 you know 12:04 the thing that forces you to do levels like 5 times 12:05 <@bugsniper> I see 12:05 <@riker> amy plz I can't make it out ofo this room 12:05 <@mtf> oh right, right 12:05 even LarienTelrunya removed that mechanic 12:05 riker: why not? 12:05 <@mtf> yea I talked about it being removed in FH 12:05 ahh 12:05 FIQ: I didn't, regular slashem did, so I didn't have to remove it because it was already removed when I forked :P 12:05 <@mtf> I actually played off your messages quite a bit, too bad you didn't get to hear my responses 😛 12:05 LarienTelrunya: close enough 12:05 @mtf ah :P 12:06 should watch your stream some day 12:06 <@mtf> guess I could have replied with # commands 12:06 you can't 12:06 kite shield in dnethack any good? (also in-game item descriptions when :P) 12:06 <@riker> no 12:06 <@mtf> I can't? You wouldn't be able to read me typing stuff in #? 12:06 <@riker> it's passable but not great 12:06 # commands doesn't show in enhanced watchmode 12:06 <@mtf> oh, I see 12:06 <@mtf> well nvm 12:06 I need to figure something out for tat 12:06 *that 12:06 amy, have you beaten slex now that you've added the 100 level bell tower? 12:07 <@mtf> FIQ: why not let the player "reply" when recieving a message? 😛 12:07 bug_sniper: not yet 12:07 I think you can 12:07 if you map the mail button 12:07 which isn't mapped by default 12:07 <@mtf> oh I see 12:07 [hdf-us] [slex] rikersan (Gla Add Mal Cha), 1709 points, T:274, killed by genocidal confusion 12:07 <@riker> i have regret 12:08 <@mtf> btw guys, for anyone who's interested, here's a link to the reddit thread that surmises all the VOD's from the stream: https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/876k4v/fiqhack_archeologist_win_w_commentary/ 12:08 yeah you can 12:08 <@riker> amy you complain about fiq 12:08 <@riker> :p 12:08 <@riker> (i don't really care) 12:08 @mtf I think it's bound to ctrl+m 12:08 <@mtf> gotcha 12:08 but old users (before mail was added) have to add the keymap 12:08 riker: was that you trying to get admitted into the "are you tough enough" clubP :P 12:08 <@mtf> ok I'll do that 12:09 also riker, OPTIONS=hybridamerican is your friend 12:09 <@mtf> so has anybody every ascended nethack w/ no inventory? 😛 12:09 that isn't possible 12:09 <@mtf> I.E. super nudist 12:10 @mtf see rldev, any ideas 12:10 <@mtf> no? I mean, other than the ammy and the required stuff 12:10 <@mtf> lemme look 12:10 I can post it in here too 12:10 http://home.fiq.se/badcode.c 12:10 was trying to figure out how to best fix a warning 12:10 evil hack or unreadable code 12:11 or just leave it alone and cry :( 12:11 <@mtf> what's the warning exactly? 12:11 there is a link to it :P 12:11 <@mtf> ah, so there is 12:11 http://termbin.com/zhmy 12:12 also some talk over at rldev about it 12:13 am I seeing it right that peaceful tinker gnomes are making hostile clockwork whatevers? :P 12:13 <@mtf> ok I understand the issue, and I don't like the hack 12:14 <@mtf> I feel like this could be easily solved by overloading your macro 12:15 what do you mean 12:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Rog Vam Fem Cha), 4068 points, T:1935, killed by touching The Cloak of the Unheld One 12:17 <@mtf> well, right now the problem is being caused by the fact that you're calling that msgprintf statement and not using the extra argument, right? (I.E. no %s in your message to fill with that extra parameter) 12:17 <@mtf> Hmm ok, not overloading the macro then, nvm 12:18 !tell Chris_ANG when studying a spellbook of which I already know the ward, it would be great if it told me which ward it is :D 12:18 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 12:19 also an easy way to identify a weapon's enchantment would really be great 12:20 [hdf-us] [slex] rikersan (Gla Add Mal Cha), 13215 points, T:860, killed by sinking in shifting sand 12:20 @mtf I added a proposed solution in rldev, I think it might be ok 12:20 <@riker> confusion made it so I couldn't get out in time oh well 12:20 <@riker> I actually really liek that combo 12:20 rip riker :( 12:20 what's rldev 12:21 <@mtf> FIQ: see my reply 😛 12:21 <@riker> roguelike dev 12:22 oh the subreddit? 12:22 <@riker> I think he means /r/rldev, the subreddit for that kind of thing 12:24 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Rog Vam Fem Cha), 6085 points, T:1894, killed by Ms. Cannich, the shopkeeper 12:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 973 points, T:361, killed by a gnome lord 12:28 yani for slex data delete attack to delete your nose or ears, reducing your information 12:31 <@mtf> no, we don't 12:31 <@mtf> we mean #roguelikedev 12:31 <@mtf> which is a channel in our discord 12:31 <@mtf> and is the main channel for discussion pertaining to /r/roguelikedev 12:32 <@mtf> ya'll on the IRC side don't have a good list of all the channels we have available 😛 There's a hell of a lot more here than just nethack... 12:32 maybe you should set up a #roguelikedev bridge to IRC... 12:32 * aosdict checks 12:33 bridge all the things! 12:33 #roguelikedev doesn't exist on IRC, I just created it 12:33 <@riker> aosdict for admin 2018 12:33 <@mtf> aos: we have a roguelikdev bridge... FIQ's using it right now 12:34 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:34 aosdict: try with double ## 12:34 <@mtf> couldn't tell you which IRC channel it is, though 12:34 this is freenode 12:34 # means official 12:34 there you go 12:34 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 12:34 <@mtf> I wonder if we should just take the plunge and set up IRC channels for every discord channel we have 12:35 might be better to just make an IRC network at that point 12:35 and then nobody would join it (on the irc side) 12:35 good point I guess 12:35 well I would :P 12:35 better idea: convince discord to set up an irc endpoint 12:35 <@mtf> yea isn't the point to pull in more dinosaurs who don't like new tech? 12:36 <@mtf> 😛 12:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Rog Vam Fem Cha), 3606 points, T:1388, killed by a giant spider 12:36 @mtf btw were those people serious when they mentioned distaste for the bridge 12:36 @mtf even if I used discord, I'd still want greppable logs. 12:36 <@mtf> a) I don't care if they were, and b) it doesn't matter in the slightest, if they don't like it they can kick rocks 12:36 ahh ok 12:37 just wondered what kind of say they had 12:37 :P 12:37 * aosdict kicks a rock. The rock hits the newt! 12:37 kick loadstones 12:37 <@mtf> admins / mods have the final say, though we pay a lot of attention to requests in #townhall 12:37 <@mtf> I have yet to hear anybody actually seriously complain about the IRC bridge 12:37 ok 12:38 <@mtf> also while we don't have greppable logs in discord, I find discord search to be immaculate 12:38 <@mtf> and now we have the capabilities to see deleted messages 12:38 yeah but I have about 20 search patterns 12:38 some of them regexes 12:38 grep is the way 12:38 <@mtf> I'm sure you could translate those patterns to something that works in discord... might even be less characters 😛 12:39 @mtf I can see deleted messages too 12:39 because they aren't deleted here 12:39 mwahahah 12:39 <@mtf> lel 12:39 <@mtf> too bad you can't see messages that get sent while you're not here 12:39 I have my VPS on constantly 12:39 but we can, we can log in anonymously to discord 12:39 you're talking to the wrong person in that regard 12:40 <@riker> mtf does this server have a perm invite setup? 12:40 it does 12:40 https://discord.gg/DMh69JV 12:40 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 146647 points, T:26881, petrified by a cockatrice corpse, while fainted from lack of food 12:41 @Grasshopper :( 12:41 <@mtf> @riker it does, but you don't have to use that one specifically... anybody has the ability to create invites to this server 12:41 anyone who can pass a captcha can see the discord message log 12:41 <@mtf> grass: that's hilarious 12:41 <@riker> mtf: ah ok 12:42 <@mtf> It is interesting seeing which invites get used 12:42 pfft "By 'dev', they mostly mean dreams and vaporware." 12:42 who wrote that channel topic, jonadab? 12:42 <@mtf> most of our invites only have about one to two hundred uses, but the one in rules-faq on the other hand: 12:42 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/427869937369874442/unknown.png 12:42 <@riker> lol 12:42 aosdict: where is that 12:42 <@mtf> talking about the #hdf channel topic? 12:42 oh it was rumflump 12:42 no, ##roguelikedev 12:43 <@mtf> ah 12:43 ahh 12:43 <@mtf> yea, we also have a #brogue IRC bridge, can't remember the channel for that one either tho 12:43 ##brogue 12:43 I bet rumflump got it from jonadab though 12:43 sounds just like him 12:44 it's the only non-nethack-channel jonadab interacts with RLdiscord-wise 12:44 actually far earlier than everyone else here 12:44 since it is an old connection 12:44 <@mtf> It was the first 12:44 <@riker> yeah I mean this bot is litearlly called BrogueBot 12:44 <@riker> >_> 12:44 <@mtf> we set up the IRC bridge for #brogue heh 12:46 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 12:47 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:49 <@mtf> nooo chat must not die, I'll have to start working then 12:49 <@mtf> quick, somebody say something interesting 12:50 Evil Patch Idea: place the Amulet of Yendor randomly in the Sanctum level 12:50 and make it immune to object detection 12:50 and bury it 12:50 that interesting enough for you? 12:50 <@riker> plz 12:50 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:52 @mtf I worked on this today: http://home.fiq.se/attr_table.txt 12:53 the idea is to make HP/Pw gain/loss from levels completely consistent 12:53 and to make changes to Con/Wis retroactive 12:53 (this was a change I suggested to Chris_ANG years ago, it has been in dnethack since) 12:53 I think we lost hiim 12:53 <@riker> fiq; OGRESMASHER 12:54 him* 12:54 rip 12:54 but he wanted the chat to be interesting 12:54 I figured this was the most interesting nethack-related I did today 12:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Pir Hum Fem Neu), 13022 points, T:3436, killed by an umber hulk 12:54 aosdict: also I need to figure out how to deal with monsters 12:55 Is there anything that Wisdom actually affects besides Pw stuff? 12:55 probably for HP I'll add some generic modifier (probably same as Monk) 12:55 and for Pw it'll be more elaborate 12:55 It would be funny if it had a real effect on player behavior like in that one OOTS strip with Belkar. 12:55 since FIQHack monster Pw works pretty much just like players 12:56 gain-wise 12:58 <@riker> is fh dark one still pretty weak? 12:58 unfortunately yes 12:59 he is actually even weaker I think 12:59 because he has trouble casting 12:59 IIRC 13:00 should I make the AI priority slow monster 13:00 <@riker> no 13:00 <@riker> FoD first 13:00 <@riker> if that is resisted but hits, then slow monster 13:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 4 points, T:12, killed by a sewer rat 13:03 -!- Tmasher has joined #hardfought 13:05 <@mtf> FIQ: sorry, since you brought it up, we are having a fierce debate about IRC bridges in #admin chat lol 13:06 <@mtf> I did see your conversation earlier today about the stat changes 13:06 <@mtf> not entirely sure how I feel about it, adds a lot more meta-gaming to characters than I'd care for I think 13:06 <@mtf> but I'd have to try it out 13:07 <@riker> mtf: summarize the #admin discussion? 13:07 metagaming? why? 13:07 <@riker> are they in favor of bridges? 13:07 @mtf I wonder if it was brought upon by the complaints in rldev? 13:08 someone complained "why is this thing here, make it go away" 13:09 why would someone complain about that 13:09 it doesn't do anything unless someone is chatting on the irc side 13:09 that's anyone's guess 13:09 looked on the discord side, the one who complained is a mod 13:09 no wonder there's a #admin debate 13:09 *an 13:10 <@mtf> some people don't like the look of the IRC Bot because it has a line-break in the message, and they use compact mode which is supposed to put all messages on one line 13:10 I agree 13:10 I wasn't the one who did that 13:10 <@mtf> normal mode of discord does put linebreaks in messages though, which is why I set it up like that by default 13:10 I complained about it 13:10 Do you remember? 13:10 :P 13:10 <@mtf> I know you did, but compact mode is not the default, and therefore most discord users won't use it 13:10 It looks really dumb to me 13:10 as it is now 13:10 <@riker> wait, what's the issue 13:10 <@riker> I use compact mode I don't see it 13:10 there's a difference between "I don't like thi thing's appearance, fix it" and "I don't like this thing's appearance, get rid of it" 13:11 <@riker> oh I see it 13:11 forced linebreak between the nick and message 13:11 <@riker> well that and weird spacing 13:11 <@riker> oh nvm that's my zoom 13:11 <@mtf> lol 13:11 <@riker> shush mtf 13:11 <@mtf> so it looks like this in compact mode (and I agree, doesn't look the best) 13:12 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/427877382943146004/unknown.png 13:12 <@mtf> but like this in normal mode (and I think it looks totally fine) 13:12 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/427877492246708245/unknown.png 13:12 <@riker> wait what 13:12 <@riker> I like compact mode 13:12 <@riker> :/ 13:12 <@riker> it makes the name appear where usernames are 13:12 <@riker> not just under it 13:12 <@mtf> no riker, I'm talking about the bot 13:12 <@mtf> not the mode in general 13:12 <@riker> no I am too 13:12 <@riker> the name of hte IRC user appears in the username line 13:13 <@mtf> oh yea, but the message doesn't 13:13 <@riker> I couldn't care less about the fact that FIQ is in IRC 13:13 @riker there used to be no linebreak at all 13:13 that looked far better 13:13 IMO 13:13 <@mtf> ... for those in compact mode 13:13 <@mtf> It was incredibly hard to read for those in normal mode 13:13 yeah not my problem if people insist on using stupid display modes :P 13:13 (/s) 13:13 <@mtf> you mean the default? 😛 13:14 at least you got rid of the "feature" where there was a forced linebreak before the nick too 13:14 that looked even worse 13:14 <@mtf> I dunno, we could revert it back to single line... but I'll cry on the inside 13:14 <@mtf> oh yea that was bad haha 13:15 well I mean 13:15 I don't even use discord 13:15 except for the channels lacking IRC gateways 13:16 so don't decide based on my opinion 13:16 I shouldn't have any sawy 13:16 *say 13:16 <@mtf> oh don't worry, I'm not 😛 13:16 ok :P 13:16 <@mtf> but we're thinking about holding a poll in #townhall to see what everyone else wants 13:16 if the option "get rid of this thing complately" wins, then rip 13:17 @mtf but what did you mean with metagaming? 13:17 @ the hp/pw change 13:17 -!- Tmasher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:18 I don't understand that remark 13:18 <@mtf> well right now in NH I barely focus on my stats, other than Str 13:18 You know there was role/race-specific stats before too, right? 13:18 Just that they were rather... arbitrary 13:18 <@mtf> with your changes stats become a lot more important, including deciding not to level up until I've raised some of those stats 13:18 (This one also kind of is, but yeah) 13:18 @mtf Umm 13:18 Holding a poll in a discord-only channel will unfairly disenfranchise the IRC users! Revolt! Call to arms! Overthrow the mods! 13:18 :P 13:19 Stats had a huge impact on your HP/Pw 13:19 <@mtf> lol 13:19 In fact 13:19 Even worse now 13:19 than with the change 13:19 Because with the change 13:19 I will make con/wis changes alter HP/Pw retroactively 13:19 @mtf if your con goes up, it's as if you had that higher con since the beginning of the game 13:19 <@mtf> so if you lose con / wis then you lose HP essentially 13:19 You gain d(Wis/2) Pw + some role/race specific bonuses 13:19 per level 13:20 and Con worked similarly 13:20 s/worked/works/ 13:20 ^ vanilla behavior, not FIQ's proposal 13:20 right/ 13:20 (Pw is worst here because Pw is more decided by Wis than everything else) 13:20 aosdict: yes 13:21 @mtf Do you know why I lost my polyself run in devnull on astral? Not sure if you saw that splat 13:21 But, because I was basically polymorphed the entire run, I never exercised my stats 13:21 Meaning my Con stayed at 10 13:21 This led to me having absolutely awful HP growth 13:21 Like... worst I've ever seen 13:21 <@mtf> I didn't 13:21 I had like 60 max HP at level 15 13:21 <@mtf> oh damn 13:22 Also, you know your arc that splatted? 13:22 That guy had 13 con IIRC 13:22 It also had bad HP growth 13:22 Early high Con is *huge* 13:22 This is stupid 13:22 Even without the change I am making in general 13:22 making con/wis retroactively is a good change 13:22 (which is why I suggested it to Chris -- back then I didn't have a variant of my own) 13:23 (Early Wis also matters a lot for Pw growth, but crappy max Pw isn't nearly as bad as crappy max HP) 13:23 <@Winsalot> Is it worth to sacrifice for a gift as a neutral priest? 13:24 <@mtf> FIQ: ah that makes a lot of sense 13:24 @Winsalot lawful has the best artifacts, neutral has arguably the worst... but since your starting weapon is so bad, you might as well do it 13:24 <@mtf> my next arc had much more HP 13:24 *sacrifice artifacts 13:24 best artiwishing by far 13:24 <@mtf> isn't the orb of fate neutral? 13:24 @mtf that isn't a sac arti 13:24 <@Winsalot> But there is always chance to get unalignet artifacts from sacrifice, right? 13:24 <@mtf> oh right, artiwish 13:24 neutral has amazing artiwish potential 13:24 <@mtf> sorry 13:24 but not sac 13:24 <@mtf> I dunno, I did get cleaver 13:25 @Winsalot after the 1st gift, yeah 13:25 <@mtf> best wep in the game 13:25 @mtf yeah Cleaver got a huge buff 13:25 <@mtf> that certainly makes neutral sacc'ing better 13:25 before then, neutral was basically useless 13:25 <@mtf> true 13:25 <@riker> in dnh, lawful is definitely best for saccing, I think that's the same in vanilla 13:26 I played priest with the starting weapon up to castle 13:26 It was... painful 13:26 found no enchant weapon at all 13:26 and it was rusty 13:26 I did like no damage 13:26 in hindsight I should perhaps have switched to an unskilled weapon 13:26 <@riker> rip 13:27 <@riker> law priests in vanilla can wish sceptre of might at least 13:27 <@mtf> FIQ: I find priest's with maces do pretty good damage? 13:27 <@riker> not a +1 rusty mace 13:27 @mtf mace is 1d6 13:27 <@mtf> ofc no enchant wep doesn't help 13:27 <@mtf> but I think I did the same one on of my priest games 13:27 <@mtf> +1 mace through castle 13:27 1d6+1 vs small, but that's a fraction of all monsters 13:28 <@riker> what's the standard priest setup in vanilla? 13:28 SoM :P 13:28 <@riker> for non-law 13:28 <@mtf> OH BABY 13:28 <@riker> vorpal or stormy? 13:28 <@mtf> my HTC VIVE just showed uppppppppppp 13:28 I suggested to jonadab to make SoM the pri quest arti 13:29 Fits priest better than caveman lol 13:29 <@riker> it's that in 4k at least 13:29 so now cavemen has a bad arti 13:29 lol 13:29 <@riker> Big Stikc? 13:29 <@riker> lol 13:29 yes 13:29 <@riker> I might suggest that for chris 13:29 it's a worse excal 13:29 and since cav is lawful... 13:29 why would you ever use that thing 13:29 other than conflict 13:29 huge downgrade 13:30 <@riker> limb of the black tree? 13:30 SoM is basically grays if you're lawful 13:30 <@riker> hm, that's cha 13:30 minus the silver 13:30 <@riker> hm 13:30 <@riker> you could get a reflavored sceptre of frozen hell from dnh 13:30 <@riker> !! lawful intelligent iron bar Grants +1 to-hit, 2x cold damage Causes cold explosions centered on struck target 13:30 (yeah grays is better but it's better than basically everything) 13:31 <@riker> 2x cold and explosions isn't bad 13:31 <@riker> limb of the black tree is better but useless vs demons 13:31 if you are suggesting cav quest artis 13:31 <@riker> ya 13:31 I already have something in mind 13:31 take the 4k quest arti 13:31 <@riker> or at least gifts 13:31 but make it actually good 13:31 <@riker> hm maybe 13:31 I was thinking stun on hit 13:31 not 100%, that'd be broken 13:31 but like 33-50% 13:31 (and make monster stun like player stun) 13:32 <@mtf> better idea 13:32 <@mtf> how about knockback 13:32 is that useful 13:32 I don't think it is 13:32 <@mtf> and if the enemy hits anything else (monster, wall), it does extra damage 13:32 <@mtf> oh sure it is 13:32 so like CoQ Conk 13:32 ? 13:32 <@mtf> it allows you to have more tactical combat, and use walls / other enemies to inflict even more damage 13:32 <@mtf> yea exactly 13:32 <@riker> how about 13:32 yeah but 13:32 <@riker> "Makes two bonus attacks against a struck target, each doing normal weapon damage (damage dice + enchantment). If both bonus attacks hit, the target is stunned and confused" 13:33 this is on something you'd ideally use as main weapon 13:33 <@riker> ^ I've always loved that mechanic 13:33 it's your quest artifact 13:33 that could get annoying fast 13:33 <@mtf> picture this FIQ 13:33 <@mtf> you're in astral 13:33 <@mtf> in one of those hallways 13:33 <@mtf> and you're just smashing enemies into each other as you try to go down it 13:33 btw, sporkhack has gauntlets that do this 13:33 I forgot what they're called 13:33 gauntlets of force? 13:33 <@mtf> lots of extra dmg would build up fast 13:33 <@mtf> you can also smash stuff out of your way to make a break to the altars 13:33 perhaps 13:33 <@mtf> finally, I think its amazingly flavorful with a caveman 13:34 <@riker> yeah but that would be annoying when you're fighting it 13:34 @mtf I thought stun was flavourful for cavemen :P 13:34 <@mtf> caveman w/ a big stick smashing things across the room? 13:34 take a big club 13:34 smash with it as hard as you can 13:34 <@mtf> I mean, if they hit a wall you could inflict stun as well 13:34 knocking things off-balance (stun) 13:34 hell 13:34 <@mtf> imagine smashing stuff into water 13:34 I've considered doing this for clubs in general 13:34 <@mtf> drowning monsters quick 13:34 <@mtf> or lava 13:34 keep the thrash damage 13:34 but make it stun on hit 13:35 <@mtf> I like that idea FIQ 13:35 <@mtf> anything to differentiate weapon types more is good in my book 13:35 yeah 13:35 I like what brogue/coq does there 13:35 not going to just copy them 13:35 but variety is nice 13:35 as long as it doesn't end up like "ok I have this weapon for this monster, and that weapon for these kind of monsters, and ..." 13:36 because that'd be tedious 13:36 so is the YANI here to make all clubs possibly stun the monster they hit? 13:36 aosdict: yes 13:36 or just Big Stick? 13:37 aosdict: I think making clubs in general do this would work better 13:37 Mhm. 13:37 Big Stick would also do this, by virtue of being a club 13:37 of course 13:37 <@riker> I think 'stun' isn't quite the right one 13:37 and @mtf was talking about knockback? 13:37 <@Winsalot> Give all blunt weapons stun chance depending on type, weight and skill 13:38 <@riker> maybe just paralyze for 1 turn or somthing? 13:38 aosdict: sporkhack has gauntlets of force 13:38 <@riker> I like knockback better as well 13:38 have you played with them 13:38 <@riker> stun just doesn't seem thematic 13:38 FIQ: never played spork 13:38 I think he's suggesting that 13:38 more or less 13:38 ah 13:38 @riker Why would using a club *paralyze*? 13:38 It seems more flavourful for it to stun IMO 13:39 (In CoQ, cudgels, basically club-type weapons, does paralyze, but it's flavoured as stun there) 13:39 also, the effect shouldn't be guaranteed. 13:39 aosdict: I was considering making it skill-based 13:40 0% unskilled, 10% basic, 20% skilled, 40% expert oslt 13:40 (Enemies could use the 20% here if you play with skill-less enemies) 13:41 aosdict: Also, for this to actually be a substantial effect, stun needs to actually do something on enemies 13:41 I intend to port player stun to enemies 13:41 atm it just gives -2 to-hit 13:41 and nothing else 13:43 <@Winsalot> Ok, I got second wish on my neutral priest. Already have GDSM, so I guess it's time for some quest artifact 13:44 <@Winsalot> Any suggestions? 13:45 <@Winsalot> The Staff of Aesculapius sounds cool 13:46 <@riker> that or maybe speed boots 13:46 <@riker> are you fh? 13:46 <@Winsalot> yeah 13:47 <@Winsalot> Orb of fate also sounds awesome, as a reliable escape 13:47 <@riker> it's heavy as fuck 13:48 <@Winsalot> so staff then 13:48 <@riker> if you want I guess 13:48 <@riker> I mean, if you want to get crowned vorpal isn't too bad 13:50 FIQ: Might as well add "make monster stun actually do something" to the YANI list. 13:50 <@Winsalot> hm, still not sure about staff. Kinda don't like that it's 2 handed 13:51 Intelligent artifacts almost never get cursed. Blessed intelligent artifacts functionally never get cursed. 13:52 <@Winsalot> Are ll artifacts corrosion proof? 13:52 <@Winsalot> all* 13:53 <@riker> no you need to wish it .... rustproof 13:53 <@riker> ._> 13:53 <@riker> >_> 13:54 <@Winsalot> 😦 13:55 <@Winsalot> Wtf, peaceful kitten is fighting my pet 13:55 <@riker> conflict? 13:55 <@Winsalot> First time seeing somehting like that 13:55 <@Winsalot> No rings on me, no magic items as well 13:56 <@mtf> FIQ: made a poll in #townhall , used an everyone ping, and things exploded 13:56 in a good way or a bad way 13:57 @mtf kaboom 13:57 <@mtf> well I had to threaten mutes to stop people from being assholes 13:58 * aosdict hops on discord to check 13:59 <@riker> next time just ping nethack and brogue roles 13:59 <@riker> >_> 13:59 not a bad idea 13:59 andn devs 13:59 *and 14:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:01 <@mtf> I pinged everyone because we are considering expanding the IRC bridge 14:02 ok 14:04 <[Demo]> expanding it? 14:04 @mtf yo can we have a connection to qud 14:04 please 14:04 err 14:04 not this channel 14:05 I meant, can rld be connected to it 14:05 I can create an irc channel for it if there's no issues 14:05 I am now thinking the average age of a user of this discord server is a lot lower than what I had previously thought 14:05 <@mtf> FIQ: I'm ok with that 14:06 <@mtf> aos: some of our mods are in highschool 😛 14:06 <[Demo]> christ 14:06 <@mtf> but personally I like the mix of young and old people that our community sees 14:06 I mean, you're uhh late 20s iirc? Late 30s? 14:06 aosdict: You've only seen the nethack parts 14:06 <@mtf> It's very unique 14:06 what did you expect 14:06 <@mtf> I'm 29 14:07 23 here 14:08 @mtf also wtf is this partnership people keep going on about 14:08 <@mtf> discord partnership 14:08 yeah but 14:08 what is it 14:08 <@mtf> essentially we become a main server advertised by discord 14:08 why do people want it 14:08 ah 14:08 ok 14:08 <@mtf> think "default subreddit" 14:08 ahh 14:08 hmm 14:08 <@riker> I always figured jonadab was teh oldest person here 14:08 but how useful is it really 14:08 if a bunch of discord servers has it 14:09 <@mtf> I'm not sure tbh 14:09 <@riker> i feel like he's in his 80s or something /s 14:09 seems pointless to me 14:09 @riker no, hothraxxa is 14:09 <@riker> ah ok 14:09 <@mtf> FIQ: https://discordapp.com/partners 14:09 I think jonadab is in his 40s or possibly 50s? 14:09 <[Demo]> hes in his 40s, he said 14:09 hothraxxa is uhh 70? 71? and is probably the oldest here 14:09 hey now. i am 70 and a half going on 71 14:10 nailed it 14:10 <@riker> really? huh 14:10 <@riker> I was not expecitng that 14:10 <@riker> shit you're older than my dad 14:10 <@mtf> like I said, this community is a mix of young and old... and I think we're better off for it 14:10 jonadab's apparent age is higher because as he says himself he's a bit of a luddite 14:10 <@riker> ^ 14:11 <@Winsalot> Now this is bullshit 14:11 <@Winsalot> Wanted to invoke staff to heal 14:11 <@Winsalot> But died instead 14:11 <@Winsalot> omfg 14:11 !who 14:11 FIQ: [hdf-us] Luxidream [nh4] Grasshopper [nd] Kame [dnh] Blue [un] bouquet [xnh] hothraxxa [xnh] 14:11 FIQ: [hdf-eu] winsalot [fh] 14:11 @luxidream streaking NH4 again? 14:11 winsalot: you can't invoke another role's qeust artifact 14:12 <@Winsalot> Now I will know 14:12 <@mtf> ooooof 14:12 <@mtf> that is brutal 14:12 never thought I'd be happy to see orctown! "You hear the chime of a cash register"... can't wait to meet the lone survivor. 14:12 <@Winsalot> verything was going really well until that 14:12 hothraxxa: that is false 14:12 <@mtf> >< 14:12 <@mtf> artifact blasting is a bitch 14:12 Well, you can, you'll just get blasted. Unless fiqhack makes it not work like that? 14:13 hothraxxa: there used to be a 3.6.1 bug that did this 14:13 but since that has been fixed 14:13 not a single variant on hdf has this 14:13 nao might, nao updates like once every other month 14:15 NAO: "Version 3.6.1-0 Unix Beta, built Sep 26 15:45:36 2017." 14:15 Still?! 14:15 <@Winsalot> Btw, FIQ, I have an idea for a new role: Deprived. Starts with a shitty club and shitty shield. No other items. All stats at 10. Skills randomised. Maybe gets random intristics from levelling. 14:15 YANI: ^ 14:15 the only vanilla 3.6.1 game i ever played had this bug then 14:15 because i was quite disappointed with the pyec 14:15 we're quite lucky the devteam didn't decide to file that one as "working as intended" 14:16 now you say that, i am starting to recall discussion about this 14:17 hothraxxa: Winsalot isn't even playing vanila 14:17 *vanilla 14:17 !whereis Winsalot 14:17 FIQ: [hdf-us] Winsalot is not currently playing on this server. 14:17 um 14:17 that is not true 14:17 !whereis winsalot 14:17 FIQ: [hdf-us] winsalot is not currently playing on this server. 14:17 !who 14:17 FIQ: [hdf-us] Luxidream [nh4] Grasshopper [nd] Kame [dnh] Blue [un] hothraxxa [xnh] 14:17 FIQ: [hdf-eu] No current players 14:17 ah he left 14:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu) was given the Cloak of the Unheld One, on T:2441 14:17 anyway hothraxxa, winsalot is playing fiqhack 14:17 not vanilla 14:19 <@riker> kame is splatting so many damn tourists 14:19 <@riker> I must say I admire his dedicatoin 14:19 <@riker> but holy crap man 14:19 <@riker> choose something else 14:19 <@mtf> lol 14:19 <@riker> /shrugu 14:19 <@riker> ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 14:20 aosdict: when i loot and try to stash an item, it won't accept a count. this might be 3.6.1 but i know this worked in 3.6.0 14:21 <@riker> !lastgame kame 14:21 @riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/K/Kame/dnethack/dumplog/1522082453.dnh.txt 14:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3988 points, T:3552, killed by a rothe 14:21 aosdict: perhaps I flipped one of the booleans wrong in the relevant getobj call @ hothraxxa's issue 14:22 <@riker> rip kame 14:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 12 points, T:60, killed by touching The Rod of Lordly Might 14:22 yeah I did 14:22 aosdict: pushed fix 14:23 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 14:24 I love having FIQ as an upstream developer, it means that I get that sweet FIQ hotfix speed 14:24 hah 14:24 K2: pushed getobj update 14:24 please implement more fiq stuff thanks 14:26 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 842 points, T:2787, killed by a wand 14:26 *cough* E word conduct tracking *cough* 14:26 aosdict: btw, not sure if this is correct for xnethack: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Ring_of_carrying 14:26 K2: savebreaking in NH3's save system 14:26 expecting it to be implemented w/o a version update is unfai 14:26 r 14:29 <@riker> !8ball is kame gonna make it 14:29 @riker: It is decidedly so 14:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2023 points, T:1577, killed by an acid blob 14:29 <@riker> lies 14:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 246 points, T:127, killed by a jackal 14:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 53 points, T:77, killed by a newt 14:31 i never said implement e word conduct without version update, besides thats up to aosdict 14:31 he already said it'd be 0.1.1 14:32 we can do multiple version of same variant easy now in dgl 14:32 thanks to Tangles 14:32 K2: how long has my nh4 been going 14:32 *nh4 process 14:32 i dunno lemme look 14:32 eu i take it 14:33 us 14:33 I think it has been going since february 25th 14:33 you're not playing on either server... watchmode thing? 14:33 yeah 14:33 can't bypass idle restriction in play :P 14:35 nobbs? 14:35 yes 14:35 stalker 14:35 33 days 10 hours 14:35 :P 14:35 ahh 14:35 hmm 14:35 pretty long 14:35 when it inevitably dies 14:35 nary a blip on cpu/mem usage 14:35 I blame your connection 14:35 :P 14:35 yeah, or I would have exited it 14:36 so this bypasses dgl timeout settings 14:36 yep 14:36 it's' a feature 14:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 4248 points, T:704, killed by a dwarf, while sleeping 14:36 *it's 14:36 * K2 reaches for the sigkill button 14:37 * FIQ slaps K2 around a bit with a large FIQ-bot 14:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 40 points, T:112, killed by a grid bug 14:37 * FIQ threatens to launch a bunch of FIQHack replays 14:37 heh 14:37 that is worse on memory 14:37 NH4 replay is worse on CPU 14:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 228 points, T:103, killed by a goblin 14:37 or you know 14:37 I could always start farming tribbles again 14:37 :-) 14:38 but iirc you fixed that 14:38 so it shouldn't bring down the rest of the server 14:38 anymore 14:39 <@ahrimen> how do i use an ability to teleport? 14:39 xNetHack updated (us and eu) 14:39 @ahrimen ctrl+t 14:39 make sure not to use hterm 14:40 <@ahrimen> im in windows fiqhack-portable 14:40 then it should work fine with ctrl+t 14:40 ctrl+t is notable for being the one instance where hterm doesn't work (because browsers override ctrl+t to new tab) 14:40 <@ahrimen> um, under abilities it says i can tele, but when i use ctrl+t "you are not able to teleport at will" 14:41 hence why I pointed it out 14:41 hmm 14:41 sounds like a bug 14:41 you're playing the 4.3.0 release, right 14:41 <@ahrimen> latest as of maybe friday 14:43 <@ahrimen> looks like its maybe random tele, just got sent someone else without control 14:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3760 points, T:1062, killed by a clockwork dwarf 14:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:51, killed by kicking a wall 14:43 yeah it is 14:44 teleport control is seperate 14:44 but how did you get the message...? 14:44 if it works 14:46 teleport at will is one of the weirdest intrinsics 14:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 652 points, T:703, killed by a giant bat 14:47 varying XL requirements, no messages telling you you got it 14:47 only works properly when combined with teleportitis 14:47 <@ahrimen> no idea how i picked it up, maybe eating a leperchaun? 14:48 <@luxidream> @FIQ no lol, got haxed by an air E yesterday 14:48 ah, rip 14:48 <@luxidream> will try to pick it back up though 14:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 4099 points, T:534, killed by a priest of Ghaunadaur 14:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 4436 points, T:1601, killed by a guard 15:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1786 points, T:187, killed by Ms. Melac, the shopkeeper 15:05 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 15:10 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 15:14 <@riker> !rng elf | human | inc 15:14 @riker: inc 15:19 <@ahrimen> from last week there was a talk about stairs and monsters, is that still up in the air? And are monster's able to follow you between floors? 15:20 <@riker> they are, but it depends on the monster 15:20 Chris_ANG had what I think was a pretty good suggestion: when you create a bones file, set every monster's movement points to 0. 15:20 <@riker> all demons (& and i) and covetous uniques 15:21 Not sure if that would fix the follower problem though. 15:21 @riker also a bunch of random monsters like wraiths 15:22 <@riker> yeah I meant a comma there 15:22 <@riker> also covetous, uniques 15:25 Well, for example a salamander follows you, but it's not covetous. 15:25 <@riker> oh, TIL 15:25 <@riker> @?salamander 15:25 salamander (:) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire sleep | Confers: fire | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom | AC: -1 | Attacks: 2d8 weapon physical, 1d6 touch fire, 2d6 hug physical, 3d6 hug fire | Alignment: -9 | Flags: thick hide, poisonous, stalker, infravisible 15:25 <@riker> oh not covetous 15:25 <@riker> stalker 15:25 <@riker> I mixed them up 15:26 <@Tone> Yeah there are a bunch of them 15:26 <@Tone> A, T, V, wraiths 15:27 Covetous also follow you, just even more so. 15:27 <@riker> oh, T does? 15:27 <@riker> fuck trolls 15:28 "aosdict please remove trolls from xnethack" 15:29 <@riker> no trolls are balanced 15:29 <@riker> and it's a neat mechanic 15:29 <@riker> tbh I think I'd be ok if nymphs either weren't stupid fast or maybe had only a 1/3 chance to succeed in stealing your weapon (out of your hands) 15:35 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:36 <@Tone> Random idea but what if wraiths weren't followers? 15:36 <@Tone> It would essentially be a nerf to wraith luring 15:37 <@riker> random idea but what if wraiths didn't give you a lvl up and you could actually get enough xp to lvl up normally? 15:37 <@riker> ~~ dnethack 15:37 <@Tone> heh 15:38 <@Tone> I don't think it's possible to get past level 12 without help 😄 15:44 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 15:49 <@ahrimen> @?wraith 15:49 wraith (W) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 12 | Res: cold sleep poison petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 15 | Generates: sheol gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Attacks: 1d6 touch level drain | Alignment: -6 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, unsolid, undead, stalker 15:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Mon Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pair of riding boots on an altar, on T:3577 15:55 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:58 FIQHack removed wraith luring 15:58 Also some other variant, Iforgot which 15:58 <@mtf> @ahrimen we were mostly talking about monsters / stairs due to a few players (myself included) dieing immediately upon descending into a bones level in FH (a Jabberwock was right next to the stairs) 15:58 DynaHack maybe 15:58 *I forgot 15:59 <@mtf> FIQ: oooh that's a good change 16:00 @mtf rumflump gave me the PR IIRC 16:01 it was a change I wanted to do but had forgotten about 16:01 <@mtf> gotcha 16:01 <@mtf> hey btw, not sure how much of the game you caught, but what did you think about overall difficulty in FH these days? 16:01 <@mtf> just curious about an outside opinion looking in on my game 16:02 I watched your stream 16:02 well, not stream 16:02 but the play 16:02 I fixed some issues I found as you played 16:02 Most notably, magical armor is not supposed to gain properties from player monsters like that 16:02 At least not as commonly as they did 16:02 <@mtf> lol oh really? were there others than the water plane issue? 16:02 You got 2 immunities basically for free 16:02 <@mtf> wait whadya mean 16:03 Speed boots of fire immunity 16:03 <@mtf> ohhh PM gear shouldn't be all crazy like that? 16:03 and HoB of... cold IIRC? 16:03 It should have properties 16:03 But not the already magical gear 16:03 <@mtf> I see 16:03 So speed boots shouldn't have properties nearly as much as they did 16:03 as an example 16:03 <@mtf> was kinda sweet to keep getting UPGRAYYYYDES as we went haha 16:03 haha 16:04 <@mtf> but yea there was two power creeps from the PM's at least 16:04 <@mtf> what did you think about the # of PM's I fought? 16:04 Anyway yeah I got rid of that (mostly, it skips the removal 95% of the time) 16:04 <@mtf> I think it was one in non-gehennom, 3/4 in gehennom, and a million in astral? 16:04 Astral is like it should, it was always like that 16:04 <@mtf> for sure 16:04 The new amount seems ok 16:05 Perhaps a bit much, but needs more games to verify what it ends up being 16:05 usually 16:05 <@mtf> It might have been more than 3/4, didn't keep track o;f the names and I know some bounced really fast 16:05 I want around 2-4 16:05 <@mtf> yea 2-4 seems like a good number to shoot for 16:05 Yeah and there was that one valkyrie with a long sword of mercy 16:05 lol 16:05 <@mtf> bwahahha yea that was hilarious 16:06 Considering making mercy not generate on player monsters 16:06 <@mtf> laughing my ass off in stream 16:06 I mean, logically they should have figured out a better weapon at that point in the game 16:06 <@mtf> perhaps 16:06 <@mtf> maybe pre-gehennom PM's can gen with mercy weps? 16:06 <@mtf> since they might still be noobs 16:07 I don't think they generate with properties at all? 16:07 besides RNG 16:07 <@mtf> oh gotcha 16:07 as in, they're not very strongly biased towards getting properties 16:07 like the Gehennom ones are 16:07 <@mtf> makes sense 16:07 btw, I also added teleportitis and teleport control as potential intrinsics for them to get 16:07 should make them... interesting 16:07 when it happens 16:08 and made the Gehennom player monsters much more likely to have almost a full set 16:08 (they get +5 intrinsic rolls) 16:10 !tell K2 Pushed fix: Don't make player monsters generate with mercy 16:10 Will do, FIQ! 16:11 Mercy is too OP anyway, no idea what Blizzard was thinking 16:13 [hdf-us] [un] ttc1401 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 crystal pick", on T:3548 16:14 @mtf btw, I used flume flier and phasing a bunch in qud 16:15 it was kinda fun going in hyperspeed all over the overworld 16:15 until the save froze and became unusable 16:15 apparently, doing what I did causes zones to not unload, meaning eventually too many zones are loaded 16:15 -> crash and unusable save 16:15 hooray for stability :D 16:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Elysium (Con Hum Fem Cha), 1137 points, T:2234, killed by a small aklys 16:17 @mtf are you up for linking an IRC channel for coq? 16:17 I made an IRC channel if so 16:17 <@mtf> sure... I'll need to add some config to the bot eh 16:18 <@mtf> FIQ: send me the info and I'll add / restart 16:19 idk what you need 16:19 irc channel ##cavesofqud 16:19 RLdiscord channel ID 205347309742063617 16:19 anything else? 16:19 there is no channel key 16:19 <@mtf> think that's it 16:21 <@mtf> ok, restarting bots 16:21 @riker Eh, I ain't even fifty yet. 16:21 cool :) 16:21 jonadab: have you had your mid-life crisis 16:21 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21 FIQ: Not in the traditional way, no. But then I never really had my teenage years in the traditional way either. 16:21 ah 16:22 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 16:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 16:23 <@mtf> we back? 16:23 <[Demo]> yeah 16:23 <@mtf> yay 16:23 and bot is up there 16:27 -!- Tariru has joined #hardfought 16:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] Elysium (Con Hum Fem Cha), 49 points, T:169, killed by a jackal 16:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7866 16:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] Elysium (Con Hum Fem Cha), 26 points, T:444, killed by a jackal 16:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12550 16:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 3057 points, T:1581, killed by a magic missile 16:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 17:04 -!- riker has joined #hardfought 17:06 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 17:07 <@Winsalot> Can tame monsters spawn randomly in fh? 17:07 <@Winsalot> Because I somehow have a tame snake ❤ 17:07 -!- mpt| has joined #hardfought 17:08 no, but your pet can hit polytraps and/or a magic trap can tame nearby monsters 17:08 <@Tone> Have you picked up any eggs lately? 17:08 <@Winsalot> yep, collecting all eggs. Dog died in DL1 😄 17:09 <@Tone> It probably hatched then 17:09 <@Tone> from one of the eggs 17:10 <@Winsalot> ok, nice 17:16 <@Winsalot> Actually, snake is very nice pet, never wanders off. 17:19 it does hide under stuff though 17:22 -!- mpt| has quit [] 17:23 -!- mpt| has joined #hardfought 17:24 -!- mpt| has quit [Client Quit] 17:24 -!- mpt| has joined #hardfought 17:28 -!- riker has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:5674 17:38 !tell ais523 What are your thoughts on headroom in nethack as it relates to polypiling? 17:38 Will do, aosdict! 17:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Elysium (Sam Hum Fem Law), 323 points, T:1173, killed by a coyote 17:50 -!- winny has quit [Quit: beep beep] 17:51 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 17:55 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 156774 points, T:22426, killed by a boojum 17:56 -!- Tariru_ has joined #hardfought 17:59 -!- Tariru has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:59 [hdf-us] [slex] Tariru (Rog Ang Fem Cha) killed Dickmouth, on T:59960 18:02 Dickmouth 18:02 K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-03-26 16:10 EDT: Pushed fix: Don't make player monsters generate with mercy 18:02 what the hell Amy lol 18:04 <[Demo]> hes a dangerous enemy 18:13 FIQhack updated (us and eu) 18:15 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:24 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 4186 points, T:4485, killed by a white unicorn 18:51 aosdict: just checked this out for grins to see what the values would be. playing as a monk, wearing an iron helm and a shield of reflection, took off my robe. still only costs me 11 power to cast a healing spell 18:51 that cant be right 18:53 take off helm (still wearing shield of reflection) only 7 power now 18:53 this would normally be 80-100% fail 18:56 i already mentioned that my healer was wearing gauntlets of power and a metal helm and could still cast with a cost of about 1 extra point of power 18:56 collaborating stories 18:56 i had to level up a bit 18:56 i'm only xp lvl 6 18:58 i found that some spells i could cast at xl2 (extra healing eg) weren't available to me until xl5-6 18:59 d'oh! i never learn 19:00 * hothraxxa makes a note yet again: do not put on ring of levitation while standing on a magic portal 19:00 actually there are times when you want to. this wasn't one of them 19:01 heh 19:01 hows your current game going? 19:01 not bad, except i'm still carrying a box for a container 19:01 bleh 19:01 this is the quest portal 19:02 i'm in mine town, co-aligned altar/priest 19:02 i haven't found a stethoscope yet either. annoying 19:02 what race/role you playing this time? 19:02 dwarf valkyrie to see what it's like for a non-caster 19:03 also, surprisingly no one has ascended one yet 19:03 a decent speedy player could easily beat me to it 19:03 [hdf-us] [slex] Tariru (Rog Ang Fem Cha) killed the Beholder, on T:62058 19:04 also, that guy... is not human 19:04 <@riker> brb watching hours and hours of adeon ascensions to train and beating you to it 19:04 heh 19:04 <@riker> tariru? yeah I think we established that 19:04 i dont want to jinx it 19:04 but... well, you know 19:04 <@riker> nethack head canon: amy is tariru's alt, trying to make a stupid variant to show that they're the best nethack player (and can even beat slex) 19:05 we're rooting for you Tariru_ 19:05 hothraxxa: yeah surprised no one has ascended dorf valk yet 19:05 maybe you'll be the first :P 19:06 i killed one, embarrassingly 19:06 after this monk, i may go for barbarian orc if elenmirie doesnt start one first 19:07 so with int 11 xl2 i managed to read a spellbook of remove curse 19:07 was prob blessed 19:07 no i just kept reading it 19:07 no guarantee in xnh but still 19:07 hahahah 19:07 !lotg hothraxxa 19:07 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, hothraxxa! 19:08 well this is the thing. in xnh the penalty for failing to read a spellbook is worth it sometimes 19:08 maybe most of the time, i'm not sure 19:08 exactly 19:08 esp if you have a unihorn handy 19:08 i didn't :( 19:08 but yeah 19:09 <@riker> what's the failure penalty in xnh? 19:09 <@riker> just blindness still? 19:09 confusion and teleport 19:10 if the book is high enough level, a chance of dropping 1 buc 19:10 <@riker> ah 19:11 so i have been reading unidentified spellbooks as soon as i know they aren't cursed 19:12 except not so much as a valk, since i can't cast shit 19:12 xl 12 pw 21 19:12 also i'm wearing mithril 19:13 its still my opinion, mithril should have a reduced spell failure rate 19:13 cuz you know.. mithril 19:13 let me take it off and see what difference it makes 19:13 i can cast force bolt for 9 pw 19:15 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 19:16 hey oh6! congrats! 19:16 sorry, forgot to mention that weraing mithril it takes 100 19:16 (he just ascended on NAO about an hour ago) 19:17 because hdf has no 3.6.0 19:17 oh and @mtf I dont think I congratulated you on your fh ascension earlier. congrats! 19:18 ah well 19:18 maybe someday oh6 will play on hardfought :P 19:18 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:20 <@mtf> K2: thanks man 😄 19:20 <@mtf> arc's are pretty fun I have to say 19:21 hell yeah they are 19:21 you find two sabers, watch out 19:21 or in xnh, two unihorns 19:23 K2: with me, for a monk with 9 Int at XL 1, wearing a orcish helm and shield of reflection and removing my robe makes my starting sleep spell uncastable. 19:23 what's your Int and XL? Those should be the only two other variables 19:24 With the robe on it costs me 50 Pw. 19:24 when i was testing, xp lvl 6, int 12 19:24 big big different spell casting ability between xp lvl 1 and 6 19:24 however 19:25 wearing any shield that isnt a small one, should incur a rather large penalty 19:25 Shields of reflection are considered small, I think. 19:25 hmm no i dont think so 19:25 I used oc_bulky to determine this 19:25 base ac bonus is 2 19:25 I mean *I* considered reflection small. 19:25 heh 19:26 Yeah, a non bulky shield will hurt chance by 15 pp, a bulky one will hurt it by 50 19:26 uh but the additional metal penalty is 5... that doesn't seem right 19:26 shield of reflection isnt bulky in vanilla?? 19:27 Only the large shield is. 19:27 hmm 19:27 xnh also considers dwarvish roundshield and uruk-hai shield to be bulky. 19:28 But yeah, that should not be a 5% penalty... 19:28 ooh aosdict: while looking at this, you have an opportunity to tweak mithril spell penalty 19:28 if you think the same way i do about it 19:28 aosdict: wearing a ring of levitation and trying to go downstairs produces no message 19:28 and how do you think about it 19:29 hothraxxa: reproduced in vanilla. care to report that to DT? 19:30 how would i go about that? 19:30 https://nethack.org/common/contact.html 19:31 just say it's a recent 3.6.1 git build for the version 19:31 or if you want I can rebuild and ensure it's the latest version 19:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1130241 points, T:17890, killed by a hedrow warrior 19:33 <@riker> !lastgame kame 19:33 @riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/K/Kame/dnethack/dumplog/1522090882.dnh.txt 19:34 huh. the info they want doesn't show up with v or ?|a 19:39 aosdict: sorry for late reply. so, mithril is a magical metal (ask JRR Tolkien) 19:39 aosdict: they want info there i don't have, about the compile and such. possibly this should be presented in the ?|a output, but at any rate i can't complete this report 19:39 there should still be a penality for wearing mithril in regards to spell casting 19:39 just not as much as regular metal armor 19:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3380 points, T:879, killed by a rothe 19:40 <@riker> !8ball is kame gonna give up splatting tourists anytime soon 19:40 @riker: My sources say no 19:41 and mithril should be a material option for helms, shields, boots, gauntlets and weapons 19:41 not just the suit of torso armor 19:44 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:10687 19:47 <@riker> is that the ranger strat 19:47 <@riker> just sacfest until you get something good for melee 19:47 <@riker> magicbane, stormy, grays, or vorpal? 19:47 <[Demo]> heh vorpal 19:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 5228 points, T:2214, killed by an iron golem 19:57 -!- Tariru_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 5015 points, T:1711, killed by a kobold lord 20:09 K2: My main motivation for not really wanting to touch that yet is I don't want to exacerbate the body armor problem of DSM > mithril > everything else 20:09 understandable 20:09 also I'm a long ways from implementing object materials 20:10 and its not like a 'omg you have to change this now' kind of idea. just food for thought 20:10 i am interested to see what your take is on object materials, if any 20:11 probably not all too different from grunt, or at all different. don't see much wrong with the way it does it 20:11 grunt object properties and material implementation has some issues 20:12 but its still fun 20:12 (FIQ fixed some of it already last year) 20:12 but first... E word conduct :P 20:12 i'd submit a pull request for it, but 3.6.x is too different from 3.4.3 20:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:16608 20:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:16617 20:17 you really think that reflection should be considered a bulky shield? I always envisioned it as a little bigger than a buckler, or at most the size of captain america's shield 20:24 [hdf-us] [un] ranlhach (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 6924 points, T:7451, killed by an owlbear 20:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13836 20:40 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:43 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 20:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 21:04 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 21:04 -!- deadnoob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] noty (Hea Inc Mal Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:32716 21:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] noty (Hea Inc Mal Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:32816 21:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:361 21:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 atma weapon", on T:362 21:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 premium heart", on T:363 21:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] noty (Hea Inc Mal Neu) killed the Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:33000 21:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:366 21:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 blue dragon scale shield", on T:367 21:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] noty (Hea Inc Mal Neu) killed the Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:33047 21:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 cloak of the unheld one", on T:368 21:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] noty (Hea Inc Mal Neu) killed the Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:33247 21:59 [hdf-us] [un] Blue (Val Dwa Fem Law), 9257 points, T:3321, petrified by a cockatrice 22:03 -!- mpt| has quit [] 22:09 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1070 22:30 [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:14433 22:41 [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law), 21484 points, T:14637, killed by a scorpion 22:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:4240 22:48 hothraxxa: I think I may have an answer to your levitation problem 22:49 Yeah. 22:49 So the line printed is "You are floating high above the stairs". 22:49 You have a MSGTYPE=hide "You .* the stairs" 22:51 If you change that to "You (descend|climb up) the stairs" it works. 22:54 This also affects other things like "You can't set a trap on the stairs!" 23:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16793 23:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] krm26 (Kni Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5029 23:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:5002 23:08 [hdf-us] [nd] koumakan (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 201 points, T:711, killed by a falling rock 23:10 [hdf-us] [fh] Valkeray (Blue) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 28002 points, T:1804, killed by a watchman 23:13 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 23:14 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:15 [hdf-us] [fh] Diaz (TheDiaz) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 21495 points, T:754, killed by a dwarf 23:16 [hdf-us] [fh] Amy (Blue) (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Mjollnir from Tyr, on T:1441 23:17 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:25 !lastasc Kame 23:25 Tarmunora: [hdf-us] No last ascension for Kame on this server. 23:25 Tarmunora: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/xnethack/dumplog/1521629895.xnh.txt 23:26 [hdf-us] [slex] koumakan (Nin Din Mal Cha), 3554 points, T:829, killed by a thrown potion 23:29 [hdf-us] [fh] Amy (Blue) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 48444 points, T:3741, killed by a gray dragon 23:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 stormhelm", on T:6367 23:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] noty (Hea Inc Mal Neu) killed the Garland, on T:38928 23:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] noty (Hea Inc Mal Neu) destroyed Chaos, on T:38962 23:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] bouquet (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (mind flayer), on T:21607 23:45 "You hit k2's ghost! 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