00:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Val Hum Fem Neu), 856 points, T:2032, killed by a kitten 00:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 4 points, T:26, killed by a falling rock 00:02 K2: just read a zorkmid to break illit, no livelog 00:02 i already read something this game 00:02 the 3000 turn limit is on btw 00:03 ah, 3000 00:04 yeah someone else can go that long to test it 00:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law), 5490 points, T:3345, killed by a watch captain 00:05 gdammit 00:07 heh, perhaps I should port fourk's entering the Minetown temple livelog 00:07 it's easy, just go 3000 turns without reading a zorkmid, and then read one! 00:07 but without reading anything else beforehand 00:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 4 points, T:101, killed by a kobold zombie 00:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 76 points, T:62, killed by a jackal 00:12 hm just hit with a wielded weapon for the first time... not seeing anything 00:12 T:3277 00:15 ok lemme check something 00:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 174 points, T:3394, killed by a hobbit 00:17 ok so the settings for livelogging in include/config.h and sys/unix/sysconf are identical between 3.6.1 dev and xnethack 00:18 hahah shit 00:18 makefile.top and .src 00:18 i didnt pull your changes over to make makefiles 00:18 to my 00:18 go go Grasshopper! 00:19 yup, my fault 00:20 aosdict fixing and recompiling... 00:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:13, killed by a sewer rat 00:30 hmmm no 00:31 the changes you put into makefile.top just do what our install to chroot script already does 00:31 and according to it, livelog DOES go in whatever is set as $VARDIR 00:31 so wtf am i missing 00:32 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:33 -!- stenno is now known as Guest52599 00:35 oh i see 00:35 old sysconf that was copied to game root wasnt copied over with new one 00:35 why the hell not? hmm 00:36 aaaahhhh 00:37 i seeeee :) 00:37 aosdict livelogging coming up 00:37 -!- Guest52599 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:49 hrm 00:57 ok livelogging is working 00:57 i think i need to restart beholder tho 00:57 (path is /xnethack/var) 01:00 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 01:00 -!- tolkien.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org or nethack@eu.hardfought.org ¤ aosdict's new variant xNetHack (beta) is now live! 01:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 01:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] k2 (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:5818 01:01 boom 02:27 -!- _catalyst_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:29 -!- _catalyst_ has joined #hardfought 02:41 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:52 . 02:52 LarienTelrunya: Message from @riker at 2018-03-12 19:35 EDT: welp, my angel gladiator died, had a good run. I actually can't be pissy about how it died. anyway, are there any good ways to get weapons in the early/mid game? I died mainly because of the shitty +0 silver spear I was using (vs trolls), no good fake artis 02:53 !tell @riker finding a good weapon is mainly luck-based; it can be a good idea to pet-test weapons of types you can get skill with, and then use appraisal hoping to find one that's better than +0 02:53 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:56 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:56 -!- stenno is now known as Guest37788 03:05 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:12 -!- _catalyst_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:13 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 03:14 -!- _catalyst_ has joined #hardfought 03:17 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:23 -!- _catalyst_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:23 -!- _catalyst_ has joined #hardfought 03:27 -!- Guest37788 has quit [Changing host] 03:27 -!- Guest37788 has joined #hardfought 03:27 -!- Guest37788 is now known as stennowork 03:27 -!- stennowork is now known as stenno 03:43 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:48 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:47 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:17 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:41 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:51 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 05:54 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:54 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 05:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:05 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 07:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 08:02 !tell Chris_ANG is there a reason for fire/frost/lightning storm spellbooks to not be generated randomly? 08:02 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 08:17 <[Demo]> they OP 08:17 <[Demo]> thats about it 08:17 <[Demo]> totally shit ud enable to random geno 08:17 how do you obtain them without the books? wishing only? 08:18 <[Demo]> there are places 08:18 <[Demo]> ana quest home has two 08:18 <[Demo]> u can learn them from endless spells 08:18 <[Demo]> infinite magic 08:18 <[Demo]> whatever that spellbook of secrets is called 08:20 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 08:22 so you're saying they're so OP that making them spawn randomly would break wizards and other mage classes? 08:23 <[Demo]> no 08:23 <[Demo]> those are already broken lol 08:23 <[Demo]> would just devalue shit like storm helm and infinite spells 08:23 <[Demo]> and wishing 08:25 * LarienTelrunya buffs the dnhslex elder priest :D 08:28 annoyingly dnethack has neither data delete nor ragnarok attacks, so I have to add them 08:30 <[Demo]> what r those? 08:31 "Irasshaimase, Tangles! Welcome to Ganden's health food store!" ... You see here a candy bar (15 zorkmids). 08:31 data delete does loads of nasty stuff, ragnarok generates lava and evil monsters 08:31 <[Demo]> Wonder why it doesn't have those 08:32 well, for now the elder priest will only get additional bisection and decapitation attacks, plus a stronger tentacle attack because Chris clearly made it too weak :P 08:32 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:32 -!- deadnoob_ has joined #hardfought 08:33 https://github.com/AmyBSOD/dnhslex/commit/6d06b094f4c9a7e0eec756463939f64083ee057c :D 08:33 K2: awesome, thanks! 08:34 Tangles: it really means vegetarian food store! Vegetarians would rather eat candy than meat! 08:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] Tangles (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1505 points, T:1982, killed by a giant spider 08:50 aosdict: There was also a tin which I hoped was spinach, but no... turns out Ganden was a yellow-mold dealer. 08:51 who apparently also stocked candy bars for when his customers got the munchies. The "health-food" business was just a front. 08:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] Tangles (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 4 points, T:10, killed by a jackal, while praying 08:54 lol harsh. 08:54 there were two of them! and a newt, and a lichen! 08:56 Hmm... xnethack is not picking up my autopickup types or exceptions. 08:57 nvm I fixed it. 08:57 there was an error in the file, and it ignored everything afterwards 09:00 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] Tangles (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 952 points, T:1076, killed by a rothe 09:20 oh... you implemented thiefstones. 09:22 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Arc Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism by consulting with the priest of Huhetotl, on T:6004 09:31 Tangles: what did you get stolen? 09:33 -!- ais523_ has joined #hardfought 09:35 Hmm, it's theoretically possible for one thiefstone to steal _another thiefstone_ if you happen to be carrying one. They have oc_magic. 09:37 <[Demo]> Wait xnh is the one with the thiefstone? 09:37 It just took some unidentified potion I was carrying. 09:37 <[Demo]> does it work? 09:37 x is currently the only variant with thiefstones, yeah. 09:37 Actually there was a bunch of stuff in a chest and I just grabbed everything before noticing the last item was a 'gray stone' 09:37 I don't dislike the idea, but it's lower priority for Fourk than it would otherwise be, due to already having magic chests. 09:38 Tangles: Too bad it wasn't a loadstone. 09:38 Tangles: well, grabbing unidentified gray stones out of chests isn't the best idea anyway. 09:38 indeed. I did not do it on purpose. 09:39 Though, sometimes if I have adquate holy water and haven't yet identified a gray stone that I want, I'll go ahead and knowingly do that. 09:39 anywhere, it'll be somewhere else on that level 09:39 if there's a vault it will definitely be in the vault 09:39 ON the theory that if it's a loadstone, I can typename, uncurse, and drop it. 09:40 I just read the commit messages on the thiefstone commits to try to figure out what they actually do. 09:40 <[Demo]> what happens if u theifstone a loadstone? 09:40 Tangles: I put a better version on the wiki 09:40 Ah right I should read that instead :) 09:40 I assume a _cursed_ loadstone would resist being stolen? 09:40 <[Demo]> Probably break 09:40 [Demo]: it steals it like normal. Actually that could be used to get rid of a loadstone. 09:40 Oh, interesting. 09:41 \o/ 09:41 Didn't intend that, but I don't really see a reason to change it. 09:41 Hmm, if it steals a scroll of scare monster, is that a way of getting the scroll on the floor without using up a use? 09:42 Yes, although only a cursed thiefstone will steal it right off the ground, and when that happens it'll teleport itself away too. So not actually that useful. 09:42 Ah. 09:42 Tangles: also if you find a chest in a vault or closet, that's a good indication that there's a thiefstone somewhere on the level 09:42 Wait, do thiefstones put the items in a container? 09:43 If one exists on its keyed location, yes. 09:43 Otherwise it just dumps them there. 09:43 Ah. 09:43 Interesting. 09:43 And when it chooses a keyed location, it normally creates an empty chest there. 09:44 EPI: 10% chance of a cursed BoH there instead. 09:44 cursed BoH containing 3 loadstones. 09:44 Heh, oh man. 09:45 Actually then you could just #loot it until they disappeared. 09:46 ONly if there's not yet anything in there you want. 09:46 But yeah. 09:47 Actually, I'm of two minds whether this is actually evil or not, because it would make bags of holding more common. 09:47 Maybe make it a cursed thorougly burnt bag of holding, and make thoroughly burnt bags of holding sometimes leak some of their items, which drop to the floor. Without a message. 09:47 EPI: ^ 09:48 heh 09:48 -!- xSmurfwg has joined #hardfought 09:49 just reading the wiki page... You clearly think identification makes the game too easy :P 09:49 jonadab thats evil 09:49 love it 09:50 yeah aosdict bring back the spellbook of identify :P 09:50 I think _renewable_ identification makes the game too easy. I buffed scrolls of ID significantly. 09:50 true 09:50 also, no full-inventory ID. 09:50 Though 7 items for a blessed scroll is generous. 09:51 i think a throne ID will do full inventory ID 09:52 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:52 jonadab: I'm not particularly against "traps that give you a reward for overcoming them", like cursed BoHes on a thiefstone target 09:52 Yes, it will, always. 09:52 although, I do have concerns that BoHes are more common than stacks in the early game 09:52 *than sacks 09:52 aosdict will it full ID everything inside carried containers also? :) 09:52 sorry, I'm in computer science gear at the moment 09:52 No :P 09:53 on the subject of identification, I'd love it to be less formulaic than it is at the moment 09:53 ais523_: Perhaps thiefstone-generated containers could sometimes be sacks. 09:53 epi: loadstones falling out of a burnt bag into your inventory 09:53 maybe not /harder/, but more decision-based 09:53 ais523_: explain how you think it is formulaic (in vanilla, I assume) 09:54 aosdict: for example, if you find an unIDed wand, it nearly always makes sense to engrave with it right away (unless you're in combat) 09:54 epi: loadstones can occasionally fracture in half, requiring 2 potions of holy water to remove the whole weight 09:55 potions probably have the most interesting ID game of any item class in vanilla, but that mostly doesn't matter because potions are generally sufficiently important that how and whether you ID them doesn't hugely matter 09:55 *generally insufficiently important 09:55 -!- xSmurfwg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] Tangles (Sam Hum Fem Law), 518 points, T:904, killed by a dwarf 09:56 nonmagical armour is typically easy but tedious to identify and not worth the trouble 09:56 I guess magical armour can be interesting, especially before you have an uncursing source, because it's often valuable even if cursed 09:57 aosdict, did you also do something about shop price id? 09:59 no 10:03 Oooh, YANI: buff scroll of ID by allowing it, if blessed, to reach inside containers: if the player selects a container initially, then they get a second menu that lets them pick the container _itself_, or some of its contents. 10:06 -!- deadnoob_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:08 I could see an argument for scrolls of ID at both uncursed and blessed to identify some proportion of your inventory chosen at random 10:08 maybe ¼ for uncursed, ½ for blessed 10:08 (as a proportion of the unIDed items) 10:08 then cursed scrolls of ID would ID just one item but you could choose what it is 10:08 Hmm. 10:09 That would make cursing them potentially useful in exotic situations. 10:09 reaching inside containers too, to avoid inventory swapping tedium 10:10 btw, what happened to the "reverse identify" YANI (i.e. you specify an item class and learn what the corresponding appearance is) 10:10 as that seems like something that has meaningful decisions behind it, too 10:10 (you could either make it confused ?oID or a new item) 10:15 I think nothing has materialized for that yet. 10:15 But it's potentially an interesting idea. 10:15 I've never heard of that one. 10:15 It would have to be balanced carefully. 10:16 guess it'll be credited to ais523 10:16 Particularly, with regard to writeable scrolls. 10:44 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Pok Ang Fem Cha), 231 points, T:612, killed by a monster (ettin mummy) 10:47 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 10:54 ais523_: I proposed making that the confused version of ID scrolls 10:54 People said it would be too OP because markers 10:54 Markers are the problem, yes. 10:54 It might be possible to balance it, but this would need careful thought and planning. 10:56 I mean, how about confused ID just identifies _random_ object classes? You're confused, after all. 10:56 YANI: ^ 10:57 Heh. There's an interesting thought. 11:05 perhaps it gives an informal ID, not a formal ID? 11:05 then, barring bugs in 3.4.3, it wouldn't help with markers at all 11:05 I like the idea of it being "like a wish but doesn't give you the item" 11:07 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 2629 points, T:8085, killed by a wand 11:07 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:08 informal ID? 11:08 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Kur Ang Fem Cha), 10084 points, T:2058, killed by a monster (dried corpse) 11:10 -!- ais523_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:19 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:33 i always wondered why a cursed ?oID didnt make you *forget* the ID or X number of objects 11:34 s/or/of 11:34 too cruel, probably 11:34 K2: can work on adding extrainfo today. You said there's an implementation somewhere? Where can I find it? 11:35 give me a few min i will dig it up for you 11:36 maybe confused cursed ?oID causes you to forget the id of an object(s)? 11:37 K2: also that would break the interhack principle for the same reason as amnesia 11:37 you could just write down what everything is once you identify it, and keep doing this every turn, to negate such an effect 11:38 sure 11:38 the portal to the quest is in a 3x4 room that also has a teleport trap, a magic trap, and a polymorph trap 11:38 but who wants to write notes? :P 11:38 thanks, aosdict! 11:38 There is a broken large box here, but its lock is already broken. 11:38 isn't that a bit tautological? 11:39 you can break a box and not the lock 11:39 hothraxxa: I blame the devteam 11:39 heh 11:39 but I broke the lock, not the box 11:39 i also thank you for the complete lack of any sort of bag 11:40 raisse: then that's a bug 11:40 although i was being pedantic. in nethack, you shouldn't be able to break a box and not the lock 11:41 well, you can completely shatter a box, never mind the lock 11:41 yes but a lock without a box (or a door) doesn't exist 11:43 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:43 -!- stenno is now known as Guest17323 11:48 -!- Guest17323 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:54 [hdf-us] [nh] pavelek (Val Dwa Fem Law), 7788 points, T:3728, poisoned by a soldier ant 12:04 aosdict I put the links to extrainfo and simplemail for 3.6.1 in the #xnethack channel 12:12 * K2 smacks hothraxxa with a new and improved xnethack scalpel 12:12 K2: what has hothraxxa done to you? 12:12 what's your knife skill? 12:13 raisse: nothing. just being goofy 12:13 hothraxxa: my knife skill is that I can cut myself while trying to close a locking blade 12:14 <@riker> can you end up closing it tho 12:14 @riker: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-03-13 02:53 EDT: finding a good weapon is mainly luck-based; it can be a good idea to pet-test weapons of types you can get skill with, and then use appraisal hoping to find one that's better than +0 12:14 :) 12:14 <@riker> !tell LarienTelrunya I know, I jsut kinda assumed that a silver spear was a pretty good one :/ 12:14 Will do, @riker! 12:16 hm. what are the stats for the new scalpel? i don't see them mentioned 12:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] rikerw (Sam Hum Fem Law), 7722 points, T:6405, quit 12:17 i think aosdict mentioned 1d5/1d7 for it 12:17 <@riker> I liked dnh's "healers start with quarterstaffs" 12:19 wait 3.6.1 doesn't have the correct simplemail? 12:19 that's only a minor help. staves are shitty weapons 12:20 I thought it did, since NAO has it and it works unpatched 12:20 someone send me mail 12:21 ok 12:21 ah, doesn't work 12:21 the framework is there 12:21 on the dgl side 12:24 Doesn't it require like a SYSCF setup or something? 12:24 Not 100% sure. 12:26 enabling mail is handled in include/config.h 12:26 i dont remember seeing anything mail related in sysconf 12:28 K2: I imagine it would be easiest if I kept these #define DGAMELAUNCH and similar the way Tangles left them in config.h and elsewhere 12:28 yes 12:28 i already have them in for the hdf install 12:31 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 12:35 aosdict: Set up an aimake.rules so people can just do --with=dgamelaunch to compile for dgl ;-) 12:50 K2: cherrypicked and pushed, see if extrainfo works 12:50 ok gimmie a few min 12:53 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58 [hdf-us] [un] cpittman (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:15354 13:08 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 13:45 gah 13:45 a rock mole 13:45 * K2 has died to a rock mole before 13:47 I think the kill is actually down to team e 13:49 one wafer of lembas got me from hungry to satiated 13:50 along with a message "a little goes a long way" 13:50 I'm an elf, that might have something to do with it 13:51 hahah 13:51 never seen that before 13:51 [hdf-us] [un] ttc1401 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3271 points, T:2008, killed by a boulder 13:55 K2: oh, the simple mail fix should also be in those commits, assuming it was in the two you linked in the first place 13:55 yes 13:55 working on it now 14:00 aosdict - what do you wrong with this line? (from changes you did for include/config.h) 14:00 *you see 14:00 #define EXTRAINFO_FN "/dgldir/extrainfo-nhdev/%n.extrainfo" 14:03 :P whoops 14:03 heh 14:03 i switch nhdev to xnh 14:04 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:04 extrainfo working 14:05 saved games from last build will need to transition to a diff level for it to kick in it looks like 14:05 trivial 14:05 lets test mail 14:06 mail works 14:06 good job aosdict 14:06 send me a mail? 14:06 sure 14:06 heh 14:06 don't thank me, thank Tangles 14:07 well yeah it made it possible... but for a first variant i think you're doing well 14:07 s/it/he 14:07 Tangles is not an it 14:07 * aosdict reads a scroll labeled uhim()! 14:08 alrighty lemme get the eu server up to date also 14:09 aosdict: what are the chances of dropping from uncursed to cursed when spellbook reading fails? 14:11 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:12 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 14:12 -!- stenno has quit [Changing host] 14:12 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 14:13 hothraxxa: 1/4 14:14 3/4 chance of teleport, 1/4 chance of cursing, unless it's already cursed 14:14 in which case it teleports 100% of the time and disintegrates 14:14 hm. i took my uncursed spellbooks to soko 1 and read them, never got a cursed one 14:15 failed three times iirc 14:15 so i beat the odds 14:15 failed three times and tried to teleport you, except for soko? 14:16 xNetHack updated (us and eu) 14:16 i'm trying to recall whether it tried to teleport me every time. i don't think it did 14:16 confused every time but with a unihorn that's no problem 14:17 anyway as a healer i wouldn't ordinarily read unidentified spellbooks but it seemed worth trying 14:18 [hdf-us] [un] cpittman (Val Dwa Mal Law), 78746 points, T:21246, killed by a fire ant 14:18 somehow i thought the odds were lower 14:19 since there's no paralysis anymore, there's nothing really bad that can happen from failing to read an uncursed level 1-2 spellbook. 14:19 yeah that was my thinking 14:19 Worst case, the book becomes cursed and you need to fix it. 14:19 i thought the real risk didn't start til 5 though 14:20 i tried to read a spellbook while in a vault to steal all the money out (used tele closet, no pick) 14:20 hothraxxa: yes 14:20 and of course i was successful on that one reading 14:20 heh 14:20 'who are you?' 14:21 creosote 14:21 i'm just a poor boy from a poor family 14:21 Also worth noting: a cursed spellbook does not guarantee failure. It merely counts as -10 Int. 14:21 i'm just a squirrel. trying to get a nut 14:22 aosdict: i noted that 14:22 blessed is ony +10 14:22 enabling situations like K2's even if he knew he had a cursed level 1 book 14:23 it would have been better had it been cursed in his case 14:23 yup 14:23 i didnt even know what its BUC status was 14:23 dlvl 1 as a valk 14:23 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 14:24 hmm I should add an impossible to the default case of that switch statement 14:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:30662 14:26 >:O 14:26 no i didn't! that was raisse! 14:26 lol 14:26 raisse is a nice white dragon i met at a poly trap 14:27 sometimes she gets rambunctious 14:32 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1273 points, T:6483, killed by a dwarf king 14:32 start new game. step on magic trap. die. 14:35 still the queen of speed 14:35 heh 14:35 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 14:40 !who 14:40 aosdict: [hdf-us] dolores [slex] DemoBot [nh] Delraven [sp] Eleven [nd] cpittman [un] ttc1401 [un] k2 [xnh] hothraxxa [xnh] 14:40 aosdict: [hdf-eu] Raisse [nd] elenmirie [nd] 14:42 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 14:42 okay, today is my day for YASDs... 14:43 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Abu Duf Fem Cha), 3510 points, T:2518, killed by a cowardly attack on her breasts 14:43 !lastgame 14:43 LarienTelrunya: Message from @riker at 2018-03-13 12:14 EDT: I know, I jsut kinda assumed that a silver spear was a pretty good one :/ 14:43 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/dumplog/1520965429.slex.txt 14:43 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/nhdev/dumplog/1520966000.nhdev.txt 14:45 !rng update yani archives | implement more xnh features | do more actual work 14:45 aosdict: do more actual work 14:45 more work? 14:45 you mean xnethack work right? 14:45 sadly no 14:46 Work is what we do when we haven't got time for anything more important. 14:49 ^^ 14:50 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:50 work is what we do when we want to earn money for a decent living 14:52 at least for me its that way 14:53 . 14:53 Chris_ANG: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-03-13 08:02 EDT: is there a reason for fire/frost/lightning storm spellbooks to not be generated randomly? 14:53 hi Chris_ANG! do you happen to know how to install dNAO on a server? is GNUmakefile the makefile I'm supposed to use, or is it Makefile.top? 14:54 LarienTelrunya Code wise? No. They replace the skilled-level spells of fireball etc, so they aren't SUPPOSED to be randomly generated, but I doubt that'll stop you :P 14:54 It's the GNUmakefile 14:55 However, I don't know how to install it really. 14:55 hmm, GNUmakefile is in the base folder, but when I try to "gmake install" there, it says include/color.h:64:30: error: field has incomplete type 'struct re_pattern_buffer' struct re_pattern_buffer match; 14:55 stenno: Well, yes, the need to do that is why we don't have time for other things. 14:55 the weird thing is that I can build dNAO on a local system just fine 14:55 [hdf-us] [un] cpittman (Val Dwa Fem Law), 9784 points, T:4547, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted soldier 14:57 LarienTelrunya: Is the local system using the same regular expression engine? 14:57 K2: are you here? you compiled dNAO on the hdf server, right? I'm in need of compile instructions because the compile is failing for me :( 14:57 jonadab: dunno, but I guess dnethack requires it and it might not be on the server? 14:57 LarienTelrunya 14:57 http://termbin.com/ew8l 14:57 NAO normally uses POSIX regexes I _think_. 14:58 thats our GNUMakefile for dNAO 14:58 Which you almost certainly don't have on Windows. 14:58 http://termbin.com/m24pj 14:58 K2: and then you just "gmake install" in the base folder? 14:58 that's the local.mk file it references 14:58 i am trying to recall the command to kick it off hah 14:59 gmake -f GNUMakefile perhaps? 14:59 looking 14:59 i have a bookmark somewhere 15:00 so my GNUmakefile seems to be exactly the same 15:00 You don't have a set of shell scripts called rebuild-dnethack.sh, rebuild-nethack-dev.sh, etc.? 15:01 no 15:01 we have an install-to-chroot.sh that we run after the compile is finsihed 15:01 tangles wrote it 15:02 K2: where is local.mk located? sorry if I'm stupid but I can't find it :( 15:02 LarienTelrunya: That's the second http link above. 15:02 in /dNAO, same place as the GNUmakefile 15:02 well yeah, but on my system I mean 15:02 do I have to create that first? 15:02 local.mk yes 15:03 the GNU file should come with the git repo 15:03 okay 15:03 i think you just use 'make' 15:04 so 'make all' 15:04 K2: YOu can only use "make" if the make in your path is Gnu make, probably. 15:04 and then 'make install' if you dont use your own script afterwards 15:04 Which on Linux is usually the case. 15:04 On other systems possibly not. 15:04 true 15:04 gmake, if it exists, is basically always Gnu make. 15:05 can I also put something like this? GAMEDIR = $(PREFIX)/dnethackdir 15:05 If you don't havce a gmake command, make may be gnu make. 15:05 or will that not work? 15:05 oh, PREFIX is supposed to be /opt/dnethack 15:05 If $PREFIX is defined, that would likely work? 15:05 so all of this knowledge I had bookmarked from when Tangles and I started the nethack server is tied up in sprunge links 15:05 Err, defined correctly, I mean. 15:05 which do not work STILL 15:07 dammit 15:08 Fundamental rule of data: keep copies in more than one place. 15:08 K2: huh. if I just "make all", it says: ( cd src ; make ) make[1]: no target to make. make[1]: stopped in /slashem/dnhslex/src *** Error code 2 Stop. make: stopped in /slashem/dnhslex 15:08 Local copy _and_ cloud copy is good. 15:08 Cloud copy only, not as awesome. 15:08 have you done ./configure first ? 15:08 well 15:08 Local copy only, probably even worse. 15:09 none of my bookmarks are super critical 15:09 Wait, does dnao use autotools? 15:09 I thought only un did that. 15:09 dunno 15:09 (Among the major nethack variants.) 15:09 no .configure 'ing? 15:09 slashem does, too 15:09 i was just guessing 15:09 Oh, it does? Ok. 15:10 LarienTelrunya dunno what to tell you, make is probably the wrong command to use if you're getting that error 15:10 Vanilla certainly doesn't support ./configure 15:10 'no target to make' 15:10 Though 3.6 at least lets you put stuff in a hints file instead of editing headers and makefiles. 15:10 K2: maybe; but if I "gmake install", I get In file included from src/monst.c:19: include/color.h:64:30: error: field has incomplete type 'struct re_pattern_buffer' struct re_pattern_buffer match; 15:10