00:00 -!- Menche_ has joined #hardfought 00:03 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:06 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Sup Sov Fem Cha), 138 points, T:305, killed by a monster (kobold) 00:13 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Bul Yuk Fem Cha), 82 points, T:270, fell into a pit 00:27 -!- Menche_ is now known as Menche 00:34 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:04 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 01:57 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:59 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 02:07 !booze everyone 02:07 * Beholder hands everyone a tumbler of SKYY vodka, distilled by Izchak at 345 Kelvin. 02:24 xnethack? That is a thing? 03:01 yup 03:01 aosdicts new variant 03:01 started beta testing roughly 24 hrs ago or so 03:02 https://github.com/copperwater/xNetHack 03:03 bedtime for me 03:03 see you 03:04 Um, wanted to ask if it's actually hosted somewhere. 03:04 But later. 03:05 yup 03:06 here on hdf both servers 03:45 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:10 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:51 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 04:55 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:55 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 05:14 ... and now I find it impossible to leave Sokoban because I'm mobbed by werewolves 05:17 I had to lock doors behind me and dig through all the floors 05:18 the only shops until now are in minetown (but minetown has several, and a coaligned altar) 05:18 s/altar/temple/ 05:23 woo, an armor store 05:26 speed boots! 05:30 grr 05:30 was generated right next to me 05:30 it was on the quest portal level so no bones either 05:30 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:44 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 05:46 -!- deadnoob has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:45 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 07:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 07:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:00 ugh, my game of xnethack seems to have gone 08:00 on eu.hardfought 08:00 oh well 08:24 elenmirie: sorry, pushed an update to patchlevel.h that K2 didn't realize would wipe out saves 08:24 that's ok... it's beta! :) 08:24 shouldn't happen again anyway 08:24 I'm sure I'll find a wand of wishing on level 2 again soon. 08:25 * aosdict huddles from the coming Amy ragestorm 08:25 lol 08:25 should be entertaining 08:33 Heh. 08:33 And yes, pretty much the whole point of patchlevel.h is to mark savebreaks. 08:37 Could have waited till I declared it released I guess and just put up with the version reporting "3.6.1" for now, but what's done is done 08:38 <[Demo]> ill diddle with xnethack a little i guess 08:39 <[Demo]> any like, change notes or anything? 08:43 Demo: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/copperwater/xNetHack/xnh0.1.0/xnh-changelog.txt 08:44 <[Demo]> yansh 08:58 <[Demo]> hmm 08:58 <[Demo]> im very picky 09:09 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:30 -!- theRaisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 09:49 <@luxidream> xnethack is out? 09:49 -!- jonadab has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:50 hi 09:50 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 09:50 Beholder: :) 09:50 @luxidream: yes it is! 09:52 <@luxidream> wow I need to play this like right now 09:57 -!- jonadab has joined #hardfought 09:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v jonadab] by ChanServ 10:37 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Thoth Amon, on T:33199 10:37 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33200 10:39 EPI: without shock res, 5% of shock attacks stop your heart, instakilling you 10:44 nice patch idea: a defibrillator to save your life if that happens 10:47 <@kritixilithos> ^ but the defibrillator will not work if the player has shock res 10:47 <@kritixilithos> wait, nvm, that doesn't make sense 10:47 <@riker> and you need a tame humanoid pet to apply it 10:47 <@kritixilithos> you wouldn't need a defib if you have shock res 10:47 <@kritixilithos> or a peaceful nurse 10:48 <@riker> ^ 10:58 no, the defibrillator *only* works if there's a peaceful nurse around. >:) 11:09 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:11 heh, "The gelatinous cube eats a scroll labeled YUM YUM! Yum!" 11:12 -!- jonadab has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:23 Yum! 11:25 hmm, making wizards rely mostly on spells probably makes hunger more of a problem for them 11:26 elenmirie: what do you think of the Pw regen changes 11:26 I had food, I just forgot to eat :( 11:26 -!- dtype has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:26 -!- dtype has joined #hardfought 11:27 I don't know if I've made it far enough yet to have an opinion. So far, so good 11:28 I like starting with four spells :) 11:28 and I should pay attention to the bonuses you can get from wielding spellbooks 11:28 hm, I thought there would be complaints along the lines of "where are my rings and potions and wand, I like startscumming" 11:28 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 11:28 AFAIK the bonus is simply halving the Pw cost. 11:29 that's what the change log says 11:29 <@riker> aosdict: the random scrolls were nicer than the rest 11:29 <@riker> I'd be a fan of giving them like 1 blessed ID or maybe 2 uncursed ID and calling it good 11:29 but at low levels it's potentially useful 11:29 that would be nice (if nothing else, you'd also know what ID looks like) 11:30 YANI: Wizards start with several random scrolls and rings and wands type-identified, but they don't actually have any in their starting inventory. 11:30 s/rings/potions 11:30 <@riker> that's a pretty neat idea 11:31 aosdict: hungerless casting 11:32 tell that to my 13 Int orc wiz 11:32 elenmirie was gnome 11:33 pretty smart, for an orc 11:33 <@riker> iirc my last orc had something like 18 14 16 4 4 4 11:35 sounds like dnh 11:35 <@riker> it may have been 11:35 lol, I just killed a newt by hitting it with my spellbook of force bolt 11:35 hah 11:36 *squish* 11:36 [hdf-us] [un] ttc1401 (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 9470 points, T:7955, killed by a vorpal jabberwock 11:36 <@riker> !lastgame ttc1401 11:36 @riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/ttc1401/un531/dumplog/1520693145.un531.txt.html 11:37 <@riker> hm k2 I'm getting 403 forbidden? 11:37 <@riker> or actually no 403 but forbidden 11:37 -!- jonadab has joined #hardfought 11:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v jonadab] by ChanServ 11:37 <@riker> Forbidden You don't have permission to access /userdata/t/ttc1401/un531/dumplog/1520693145.un531.txt.html on this server. Server unable to read htaccess file, denying access to be safe 11:41 Defibrillator doesn't work if your heart is _stopped_. TV notwithstanding.~ 11:42 IN fact, _stopping_ your heart is what a defibrillator _does_. 11:42 Normally, if you are still alive, the heart then restarts itself, _hopefully_ on a reasonable rhythm. 11:43 It's used when the heart is beating much too fast or much too irregularly or, especially, both. 11:51 The last time I took AED training was several years ago, but I'm pretty sure they can be used and are intended to be used on people without a pulse. 11:52 <@riker> pulse checking is not generally part of the pre-AED usage 11:52 <@riker> check for responsiveness, breathing, obstructed airway first 11:52 <@riker> begin cpr while somebody preps the AED, then alternate doing that 11:55 aosdict: The AED itself detects whether the heart has an existing rhythm and whether it should administer a shock or not. 11:55 And yes, pulse is not necessarily a reliable indicator. A person whose heart is beating rapidly and highly irregularly (fibrillating) may not have a pulse. 11:56 s/detects/tries to and is supposed to detect, and does better than nothing if you don't have a hospital available/ 11:58 I mean, it's not like using a defibrillator on a flatlined patient will make them _more_ flatlined. If the heart isn't beating, it isn't beating. 11:59 But if you want the heart to _start_ beating, you administer epinepherine or whatnot. 11:59 Or warm them up, if they drowned in cold water. 11:59 And do CPR, of course. 12:04 <@riker> aosdict: nice door traps 12:04 <@riker> just got the "door falls forward" one 12:04 hopefully a bit more spiced up that KABOOM!! all the time 12:04 than* 12:07 Did you do the trapped open door that suddenly slams when you try to go through, knocking you back? 12:07 That exists, but it doesn't hurt you. Then it locks itself. 12:07 Ah. 12:07 Neat. 12:08 no wonder my cat didn't want to go through open doors 12:08 Heh. 12:10 elenmirie: an unimplemented part of that is allowing *open* doors to generate trapped (which they'll swing shut behind you and lock once you step over their square) 12:20 hm, that earlier thing inspires me 12:21 yani - things that eat items (just cubes?) seek out scrolls named YUM the same way pets seek tripe. also, players eating scrolls is a whole new mode in which to generate unusual effects, like confused scroll use. 12:33 jonadab: sounds like ZAPM 12:38 @riker there's a bug with dgl not setting the correct chmod on dumplog files. there's a cronjob that runs every couple of minutes that scans them and corrects them, you just happened to check that game before the cronjob had a chance to run 12:38 ooh 12:38 except its still forbidden... 12:39 odd. user folder doesnt exist 12:40 hah what the hell 12:42 weird 12:42 i see it, perms are wrong for the folder 12:42 how did the cronjob not catch this... 12:42 there's another older one as well from late feb, same perms 12:43 time to do some deeper investigation 12:43 thanks @riker, found a small bug ;) 12:46 <@riker> ty 12:46 <@riker> for fixing 12:46 <@riker> and np 12:51 there now try the link 12:51 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/ttc1401/un531/dumplog/1520693145.un531.txt.html 12:55 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 12:59 hm 13:00 playing roguelikes with true monster/player symmetry 13:00 makes me annoyed over how far nethack is from having it 13:01 to be fair, nethack bends over backwards to put in a lot of monster/player symmetry. It's just that it wasn't designed that way from the ground up. 13:05 hrm 13:05 there were several hundred folders affected 13:06 new crontab catches these now too 13:06 weird 13:08 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 13:08 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 13:09 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 13:09 eu server had same issue 13:09 fixed there also 13:17 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 13:18 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 13:27 -!- aosdict_ has joined #hardfought 13:27 -!- aosdict_ has quit [Client Quit] 13:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:31 huh, so nhmall just changed vanilla so that speeding a monster is considered hostile if and only if they aren't tame 13:31 oh that's cool 13:31 (the change probably isn't public yet, it will be soon) 13:32 it just confusese me 13:32 *confuses 13:32 why is speeding up a peaceful monster considered an attack? 13:32 no more feeling like a hypocrite because you speed your pet 13:32 ??? 13:32 Why? 13:32 that change makes it 100% clear it's intentional but I don't see why 13:33 someone is flooding #ascension.run with useless fiqhack suicides it seems 13:33 no idea why 13:33 +Athame │ [fh] Mourne (ViliusP2) (Pri Orc Mal Cha), 1230 points, T:9, killed by hitting a wall 13:33 this x100 13:33 startscumming? 13:33 it will mess up my tracking of variant activity :( 13:33 FIQ: maybe add a startscum filter? 13:34 just sent him an ingame mail 13:34 ais523: kerio doesn't seem to care :P 13:34 I mean, on your tracker 13:34 or in an extreme cast, in your variant ;-) 13:34 ais523: I piggyback on Mandevil 13:34 https://scoreboard.xd.cm/recent.fh.html 13:35 fh is now outdoing vanilla in play activity 13:35 how... impressive? :P 13:36 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 13:36 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 13:36 but yeah 13:36 sent him an ingame mail to ask him to quit/escape if startscumming instead 13:36 it made him quit entirely lol 13:37 FIQ: More activity being Vilius2 hitting a wall? 13:38 Mandevil: I've already mentioned that my way of tracking variant activity was flawed 13:38 but yeah, I wasn't serious 13:39 there has been similar things happening (but not nearly to the same extent) on dnh at times 13:41 I need to rearchitect NHS. 13:41 But I don't have the experience. 13:43 you don't have the... experience? 13:43 I don't know your skills, but surely you have experience 13:43 Yeah, with writing web applications. 13:43 * FIQ points at NHS 13:43 That doesn't count? 13:43 That's just static pages. 13:44 But I'd like something more dynamic. 13:44 But I need some middleware that is between the db and the frontend. 13:44 Because database is too slow for use by front-end. 13:44 the page updating itself in realtime via html5 would be cool 13:45 Problem is that many of the queries take a lot of time. 13:45 So there needs to be some caching/pre-caching layer. 13:45 And that's where my knowledge falls short. 13:46 K2: please no js crap 13:46 I'm tired of sites taking forever to load due to js bloat 13:46 FIQ: Good sites load pre-rendered page which is only then updated with JS. 13:46 did i say js? 13:47 K2: you said realtime 13:47 that implies js 13:47 There's nothing wrong with using JS for web. 13:47 But it needs to be done well. 13:47 [13:44] <@K2> the page updating itself in realtime via html5 would be cool 13:47 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:47 It's pretty unclear what "via html5" means. 13:48 html5 is just markup 13:48 it can't update realtime from just pure html 13:48 needs js 13:49 actually it can with nasty hackery and the site never stopping to load 13:49 but that doesn't count 13:49 (also I think the browser would eventually timeout anyway) 13:49 HTML5 usually means more than just markup 13:49 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Cam Ang Fem Cha), 2691 points, T:1523, killed by a flying goomba 13:49 Mandevil: right 13:49 look up server-sent events 13:49 as I said 13:49 realtime 13:49 implies js 13:49 html5 can use SSE with js, but its doesnt HAVE to be js 13:50 SSE? 13:50 no one implied js anything FIQ 13:50 that would be news for me then 13:50 server-sent events 13:50 SSE 13:50 What's that? 13:50 back when I did webdev, if you wanted dynamic updates 13:50 Never heard about this? 13:50 you had to use js 13:50 no way around this 13:50 of course there's js and there's js 13:50 as Mandevil said 13:50 but 90% of web today use shit js that takes forever to load 13:50 I hate it 13:51 Well, SSE are a no starter it seems. 13:51 Not supported in Edge at all. 13:51 sweet 13:51 use iframe with js for FIQ 13:51 And I don't see how can SSE be used without JS. 13:52 Anyway, that FIQ doesn't like JS doesn't mean we can't use it :) 13:52 you should refactor NHS with js just for FIQ 13:52 The JS is not the problem. 13:52 The backend is 13:53 of course, just because I don't like something doesn't mean nobody is allowed to use it... 13:53 even in HTML1 you can do server-side push without JS 13:53 it wont make me happy (if it's the typical thing that slow things down) 13:53 you shouldn't because it's insane but it's theoretically possible 13:53 but it's not like I will stop you 13:53 (basically you make a page that shows one thing if partially loaded and another thing if fully loaded and then have the server load the page really slowly and make it up as it goes along) 13:54 ais523: I think that's the kind I referenced earlier? 13:54 basically make the site never stop load 13:54 and load a bit "further" when pushing new things 13:54 FIQ: Actually, AJAX update is much better than full page reload. 13:54 ^^ 13:54 Mandevil: sure, that I agree with 13:54 but have you seen the average website today? 13:54 so much slower than yesteryear 13:54 because tons upon tons of JS bloat 13:55 FIQ: Lot of sites are bloated. 13:55 as I said, js isn't evil by definition 13:55 Mandevil is not your avergae web developer FIQ 13:55 just that 90% of people use it for evil 13:55 you worry too much ;) 13:55 K2: Yeah, I am pretty below-average :) 13:55 Mandevil lol no 13:55 I used ajax myself 13:55 the tribute tournament is proof against that statement ;) 13:55 when I did webdev 13:55 (for very basic things back then, but still) 13:56 I don't like JS as language. 13:56 and I always had a graceful fallback 13:56 for js-disabled browsers 13:56 But for webdev you don't have a choice. 13:57 late lunch time, bbl 14:04 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Cam Ang Fem Cha), 287 points, T:330, killed by a monster (division jedi) 14:16 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 14:17 <@riker> aosdict I found a thiefstone! 14:18 <@luxidream> as someone who doesn't scum I don't like the nonrandomized wizard inventory 14:18 <@riker> lol 14:18 <@luxidream> less variety imo 14:20 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 14:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 14:20 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Cam Ang Fem Cha), 811 points, T:1471, killed by a solar beam 14:23 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:24 <[Demo]> acquired about 25 ethernet cables today 14:24 <[Demo]> im a happy lad 14:24 <@riker> gratz 14:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 775 points, T:1639, killed by a hobgoblin 14:30 <@riker> !role slex 14:30 @riker: bloodseeker 14:31 <@riker> !role slex 14:31 @riker: jester 14:31 <@riker> !role slex 14:31 @riker: elementalist 14:35 <@luxidream> alright we got new orctown 14:35 <@riker> yep 14:35 <@luxidream> let's see if it's that much better 14:37 <[Demo]> hey whats the 3.6.x msg_wall_hits alternative? 14:41 <@riker> wait waht I have quest on xplvl 2 14:41 <@riker> in slex 14:42 <@riker> er, dlvl2 14:42 <[Demo]> u sure its quest? 14:42 <@riker> yes 14:42 <@riker> since I'm actually here 14:42 <[Demo]> probably fakequest 14:43 <@riker> I know I tohugth it was a loudspeaker 14:43 <@riker> well it has the portal 14:43 <@riker> nad it takes me there 14:43 <[Demo]> yeah to the fake one 14:43 <[Demo]> with a fake nemesis 14:43 <[Demo]> with the fake artifact 14:43 <[Demo]> and the fake bell 14:43 [hdf-us] [slex] rikerw (Elm Ang Mal Cha), 692 points, T:1062, killed by a monster (lime killer tomato), while reading a cursed book 14:43 <@riker> aw heck 14:44 <@luxidream> xnethack spellbook wielding is broke af 14:46 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Cam Ang Fem Cha), 2534 points, T:2362, killed by a monster (Merle) 14:47 -!- loli has joined #hardfought 14:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 5814 points, T:3576, killed by a fire ant 14:53 <[Demo]> whats it do 14:54 <@riker> half power cost 14:54 reduce mana costs for that particular spell by 75%, i thought 14:54 it's been through a few iterations 14:55 <@riker> ^ 14:56 [Demo] read full replacement of percent success https://github.com/copperwater/xNetHack/compare/a2d98d2614ef...eecdabcb1550 14:58 [hdf-us] [slex] rikerw (Elm Ang Mal Cha), 9 points, T:109, killed by a monster (couple murderer) 14:58 <@riker> what the fuck 14:59 <@riker> @le?couple murderer 14:59 couple murderer (D) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 24 | Spd: 9 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 20 | Generates: special | AC: -3 | Attacks: 3d6 breath drain str, 4d6 bite physical, 3d3 lashing physical, 3d3 weapon head-spike | Alignment: 6 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, seeinvis, poisonous 14:59 <@riker> ok 15:01 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Bar Ang Fem Cha), 993 points, T:1183, killed by a lucern hammer 15:06 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 15:07 hi @riker! *heart* 15:07 LarienTelrunya: Message from jonadab at 2018-03-09 18:29 EST: Huh, weird. My workstation wasn't down entirely... it just stopped doing IPv4 for some reason. 15:07 LarienTelrunya: Message from K2 at 2018-03-09 21:24 EST: your xnethack save game is broken, I applied a patch that aosdict put out and didn't realize until it was too late it would break old saves. it does fix some bugs you were complaining about though. bundlebundlebundle and stuff 15:07 LarienTelrunya: Message from aosdict at 2018-03-09 22:50 EST: is it possible in slex to inspect the high altar, confirm that it matches your god, offer the amulet and then WHOOPS it was actually one of the other gods' altars? if not, EPI 15:07 <@riker> larien: was playing slex obviously, brb 15:07 !tell K2 ...what??? dude I would have fucking ascended that xnh game 15:07 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 15:08 <@riker> RIP amy 15:08 <@riker> ded of savebreak 15:09 oh well, I'll probably play FIQhack next, where you don't get perfectly ascendable games ruined by sudden savebreaks... because there's no way to get a perfectly ascendable game in gameoverhack :P 15:09 <@riker> lol 15:09 !tell K2 I guess there's no way to make multiversioning for xnethack to let me continue that old game? 15:09 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 15:10 <@riker> !rng medic/pocket | ctf | medic | mge 15:10 @riker: mge 15:10 also, it's totally retarded that the "version mismatch" immediately deletes the save without a prompt, I hope the person responsible for that gets his or her penis caught in a gear 15:10 <@riker> > his or her penis 15:10 <@riker> > her 15:11 oh well, who cares :P I'll just count that game as an ascension because I know it would have been one :P 15:11 <@riker> ok 15:13 * LarienTelrunya checks whether that brain-dead savegame destruction also happens in slex 15:13 ah I fixed it already, making it give a prompt that asks "Delete the old file?" 15:14 !tell aosdict please look at slex's restore_saved_game() function in files.c and implement that for xnethack so it doesn't erase ascension-capable saves from old versions without even a prompt, kthx 15:14 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 15:14 boah I'm gonna be pissed if that happens during junethack 15:14 if it does, there will be *at least* two dozen messages added to slex 15:26 LarienTelrunya: compare with NH4, which takes a backup of the save basically every turn, and even after game over you can unquit the game by manually editing the save file 15:27 yeah but neither slex nor xnh have the nh4 interface 15:32 !tell [Demo] riker was right when he said his quest portal was on dlvl2; you should realize that this is slex, it's specifically designed to make you go "Now that can't be that she made it behave like that." Yes, in 1 of 33 games, the quest can be anywhere between dlvl2 and 50. And in 1 of 33 other games it will be in Gehennom. 15:32 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 15:32 :P 15:35 LarienTelrunya: how likely is the quest portal to be on the quest? 15:35 !tell K2 also, trying to load my xnh save erased it, obviously; if there will be no multiversion anyway then oh well, it's gone, but if there will be, is there a chance to restore a backup of that save that would let me continue it? 15:35 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 15:35 ais523: hahahahahahaha :D 15:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:37 I guess you could reasonably put it in Sokoban, or the Mines 15:37 or Vlad's :-P 15:37 and probably you have a lot of other branches too 15:38 yeah but for every version that puts it somewhere else, I'd need an additional dungeon.def file 15:40 you could just expand the dungeon compiler 15:40 LarienTelrunya: also because fiqhack hasn't had a single save break 15:40 unlike certain other variants 15:40 that's problematic because if I try to use bison, the file it produces is completely different from the previous one for some reason 15:42 argh where's K2 if you need him? I want to know whether I should write off my xnh wouldhavebeenanascension save or if there's still a faint light of hope 15:42 also curse the complete retard vanilla dev who made it erase the save without a confirmation prompt!!! 15:43 every variant should fix this, IMHO 15:43 aosdict: If you're going to savebreak that easily, perhaps make saves portable and make it so that you can add fields without breaking saves? 15:43 but I fear SLEX is the only one that does 15:43 While porting the NH4 save system for this would be overkill, I think you could reuse some of its code to make saves portable 15:43 Should be simpel 15:43 *simple 15:44 !who 15:44 FIQ: [hdf-us] orange [slex] dolores [slex] DemoBot [nh] pavelek [nh] Delraven [sp] Grasshopper [nd] Eleven [nd] Demo [xnh] 15:44 FIQ: [hdf-eu] engelson [dyn] Raisse [nd] 15:45 <@riker> many peoples 15:46 Tangles: help! :P *bundlebundlebundle* a xnethack savebreak has killed my very promising save, and K2 doesn't seem to be here, can you look whether there's a .bak or other backup of that save on the us server? my username is AmyBSOD 15:47 LarienTelrunya: hdf has a backup system 15:48 yeah but I'm not sure how the hdf backup system works 15:48 i.e. I don't know whether it keeps a .bak of every savegame (esm does) 15:48 pixie dust 15:48 if not, then all hope is lost 15:51 nice patch idea: warn before meleeing a monster with passive attacks that might kill you or damage your weapon 15:52 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:52 <@riker> larien: role idea; gets stupid prompts for every single little thing that could possibly hurt you 15:53 <@riker> including moving adjacnet to a monster 15:53 haha 15:53 <@riker> and having a pet that could turn traitor 15:53 <@riker> and opening doors without #untrapping htem first 15:53 <@riker> and chests 15:53 <@riker> etc. 15:53 <@riker> it's a yes/no prompt, not just y/n 15:54 you want annoying message spam? that's the artifact pair of boots "Greneuvenia's Hug" in slex, it prints your momma jokes every turn and specifically makes msgtype not work on it :P it's not a prompt though 15:54 <@riker> lol 15:55 LarienTelrunya: of course xnethack can have multiversions just like any other variant can/does. its just we didnt realize until too late when we patched xnethack. old saves are no longer viable 15:55 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-03-10 15:07 EST: ...what??? dude I would have fucking ascended that xnh game 15:55 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-03-10 15:09 EST: I guess there's no way to make multiversioning for xnethack to let me continue that old game? 15:55 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-03-10 15:35 EST: also, trying to load my xnh save erased it, obviously; if there will be no multiversion anyway then oh well, it's gone, but if there will be, is there a chance to restore a backup of that save that would let me continue it? 15:55 also, no one can guarantee an ascension. ask Tariru 15:56 K2: so there's no way to compile the old version (where that save would load), restore my save from a backup that hopefully exists, and then implement multiversioning so I can actually play it? 15:56 sorry you lost a promising save (I did as well) but you knew we're in beta testing mode 15:56 no i'm not recompiling an older version 15:56 :( 15:56 dude I could have been the first one to ascend xnethack ever! 15:57 you dont know that 15:57 gah, I won't play xnh again at least until junethack 15:57 because who knows how many more savebreaks will eat my promising chars :P 15:57 and if its that big a deal to you, start anew game. if you're confident you're that good, this is just a minor setback yeah? 15:58 well I just wanted to playtest and it just so happened that the game was going very well, I don't want to put in the time to raise another and then lose it to a savebreak again 15:58 <[Demo]> epic 15:58 [Demo]: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-03-10 15:32 EST: riker was right when he said his quest portal was on dlvl2; you should realize that this is slex, it's specifically designed to make you go "Now that can't be that she made it behave like that." Yes, in 1 of 33 games, the quest can be anywhere between dlvl2 and 50. And in 1 of 33 other games it will be in Gehennom. 15:58 there wont be anymore savebreaks without a multiversion setup in place 15:58 of course I could probably get to that point again, but... I don't feel like wasting more time 15:59 <[Demo]> !tell aosdict !!!epic segfault!!! so im walking into a cool old store, wield a wand, and im like lol lets id it by checking my spells and i get segfault 15:59 Will do, [Demo]! 15:59 was an oversight on my part. get over it please 15:59 from now on I'll play good variants like FIQhack and Nethack Fourk and Dynahack instead :P 15:59 <[Demo]> aaaa k2 my game isnt offering an autorecover 15:59 <[Demo]> am dead? 16:00 [Demo] what happened? 16:00