00:20 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Bar Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:17345 01:18 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:36 [hdf-us] [un] cpittman (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:48850 01:41 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:54 [hdf-us] [slex] orange (Nec Ang Fem Law), 80 points, T:125, killed by a monster (raging blaze) 01:54 [hdf-us] [un] cpittman (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 shield of reflection", on T:49543 01:56 !tell riker oh, you ran into the #1 reason why I removed the trickery mechanic from slex :( rip :( I wish all other variants would remove the stupid trickery too, because it ONLY triggers when the player did nothing wrong. I literally hex-edited a vanilla savegame once, fully expecting to get a trickery, but it not only loaded, the change I made (modded the x,y coordinates of an item) actually worked. 01:56 LarienTelrunya: Message from @riker at 2018-03-07 21:29 EST: be proud of me my angelic chevalier is doing great (angry good but hey you can't win them all). reflection & MR, using a spiked battle boot for a nice weapon 01:56 LarienTelrunya: Message from @riker at 2018-03-07 21:29 EST: *angry god 01:56 LarienTelrunya: Message from @riker at 2018-03-08 18:03 EST: angel chevalier was fun. until I transgressed..... >_> 01:56 LarienTelrunya: Message from @riker at 2018-03-08 18:04 EST: can you try to tone done monster donning AI? this alien princess kept getting stuck changing armors, which means I can't attack them (caitiff) until they finish. 01:56 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 01:58 !tell riker you shouldn't say your slex run is going well, because that will jinx it :P also, monster donning definitely works as intended, if that means knight/chevalier are more annoying to play then that's collateral damage, sorry :P in the case of doubt, cast spells or use pets against that alien princess bitch to avoid the alignment penalty 01:58 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:01 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 02:05 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:13 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:20 K2: map slex to e 02:21 but e is change email address 02:22 meh 02:22 map slex to X 02:22 that would be so annoying :P 02:23 map xnethack to o :D 02:24 aosdict: change the name 02:24 so we really have xnethack 02:24 wait holy shit it's playable? 02:25 read backlog 02:25 well I usually only grep the backlogs for slex-related keywords, didn't see the xnethack bit ;) 02:26 xnethack is mapped to o already 02:28 8 for config 02:28 o for te game 02:28 the 02:28 ah, I see 02:28 !who 02:28 FIQ: [hdf-us] dolores [slex] DemoBot [nh] cpittman [un] 02:28 FIQ: [hdf-eu] No current players 02:28 maybe I'll playtest when I get home ;) 02:29 aosdict: Be afraid, for I'll playtest your variant. Amystorm practically guaranteed. :P 02:29 !who 02:29 FIQ: [hdf-us] dolores [slex] DemoBot [nh] cpittman [un] 02:29 FIQ: [hdf-eu] No current players 02:29 hmm 02:29 the bot does not show me 02:31 !whereis FIQ 02:31 FIQ: [hdf-us] FIQ is not currently playing on this server. 02:40 LOL I just found out that a certain döner kebab place I haven't tested yet, and which I still want to test one day, is actually called "K2 Döner Kebab Center" :D:D:D I so absolutely have to go there to eat! 02:59 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Nec Ang Fem Cha) killed the ghost of zhngchq, the former Ninja Gaiden, on T:2106 03:06 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 03:40 -!- Adeon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:56 -!- deadnoob has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:56 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 04:08 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:51 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 04:54 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:54 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 04:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 04:55 WTF? apparently xnethack is only on the us server, I can't seem to start it on eu :( K2: is that intentional? 04:58 gah, so I'll have to play with lag if I want to play it at all 04:58 here at my office I'd have a ping of 121 ms, but at home it will be much worse 05:07 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:09 !tell aosdict you mention under "design philosophies" that keystroke consistency is important to you... choosing a spell to cast, followed by a direction, should not result in you moving in that direction when you get that accursed "You fail to cast the spell correctly" without a --More-- to catch the direction command you muscle-memory-used. 05:09 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 05:10 * LarienTelrunya tries to think about what her SLEX design philosophies list would look like 05:34 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 05:41 !tell aosdict based on yours, I've written a first draft of slex's design principles at https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Bluescreenofdeath/Blog ;) 05:41 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 05:41 (abandon all hope, ye who enter here) 05:45 LarienTelrunya: NH4 fixes the "You fail to cast" movement problem. You complained. 05:47 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:27 <@kritixilithos> LarienTelrunya: s/hope/work/ 06:36 kritixilithos: haha :D 06:36 jonadab: yeah but NH4 fixes it in a wierdo way! it gives the direction prompt no matter what, and then say "hahaha april's fools, you fail to cast the spell correctly!" or "hahaha april's fools, you don't have enough mana to cast the spell!" 06:37 LarienTelrunya: Think of it this way: first you tell it what you want to do, and then the game checks to see if you can successfully do that or not. 06:37 This is the same way most other commands have always worked. 06:38 e.g., you use the open command, it asks you what you want to open, _then_, after you tell it the door, it checks whether you can open it. 06:38 Maybe you can open the door, or maybe it resists, or maybe it's locked. 06:39 Yeah, but if you have no hands, the game tells you immediately. It doesn't go "which direction?" and then after you pick one it says "hahaha april's fools, you have no hands!" 06:39 YEs, and if you don't know any spells, same thing. 06:40 The game already knows that you don't have enough mana to cast the spell. Why does it not tell you immediately in nh4? 06:43 Actually, it doesn't know that until you tell it what spell you want to cast. 06:43 You want it to ask you one thing, then tell you no, then ask you something else? 06:43 That would be weird. 06:45 yeah but when you select the spell, the game knows "ah, she tries to cast magic missile, it costs 10 mana, but she only has 9". In vanilla it then rightfully says "You don't have enough energy to cast the spell." and doesn't give me a direction prompt. 06:47 Which can lead to typo deaths. 06:47 you mean like the one where I was on the plane of earth already and accidentally selfzapped finger of death? 06:49 Like that, yes. 06:52 xnethack is only on us server for time being 06:52 i didnt have time last night to put it on the eu server 06:53 its on my list to-do today, as well as having beholder announce xnethack games 06:53 and web rc cfg editing 06:54 ah, nice :) 07:13 given the nature of the latest commits to 3.6.1-dev... it feels like it's being primed for an official release 07:13 just my gut feeling 07:13 !players 07:13 K2: [hdf-us] DemoBot [nh] Tangles [4k] 07:13 K2: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nd] 07:14 heh hi demobot! 07:14 ok off to work 08:10 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:4866 08:10 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:12 -!- Adeon has joined #hardfought 08:41 LarienTelrunya: "I follow the No Cyanide Rule: No item should, if use-tested in reasonable circumstances, be game-ending! Also, here's an example of an item which directly violates it!" 08:41 aosdict: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-03-09 05:09 EST: you mention under "design philosophies" that keystroke consistency is important to you... choosing a spell to cast, followed by a direction, should not result in you moving in that direction when you get that accursed "You fail to cast the spell correctly" without a --More-- to catch the direction command you muscle-memory-used. 08:41 aosdict: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-03-09 05:41 EST: based on yours, I've written a first draft of slex's design principles at https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Bluescreenofdeath/Blog ;) 08:41 LarienTelrunya: Never fear, in xnethack "You fail to cast the spell correctly" is a thing of the past 08:42 haha, well, that cloak of death can only kill players who don't resist magic/touches of death, so with the correct preparation it cannot instakill you 08:48 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: gonna be back later and play xnethack and quaff-test its nonexistant potions of cyanide :)] 08:49 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Pri Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:66325 08:50 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Pri Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:66331 09:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:42 woo go elenmirie and Grasshopper! 09:46 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:23749 09:52 -!- deadnoob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:52 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 10:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:17 [hdf-us] [nd] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:40009 10:20 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:25 !tell aosdict wow... first no-go in xnethack happens even before I've moved!!! Amazing! And it is the fact that your inventory apparently doesn't know how to sort itself, i.e. slot a (the katana) is not at the top, what is this shit :P 10:25 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 10:25 wow and I can't even fix it with the lootabc option 10:26 ... the hell, no other variant does that, not even 3.6.0 (which I ascended, so I would have noticed!) 10:33 wtf, SYMBOLS=S_ghost:8 doesn't work, I guess S_ghost got removeremoveremoved in xnethack 10:35 IT DID 10:35 oops caps 10:35 ghost is now a W in xnethack 10:35 so if you still want to change it, use S_wraith instead 10:36 nah, the only reason to change S_ghost is to make it into something that is not an empty space; W's are visible :) 10:37 * LarienTelrunya is now going to actually play xnethack, now that she finally finished changing the settings 10:37 also, your 'constructive criticism' sounds more like bitching. aosdict would prob be more receptive to any suggestions you have if you change your tone a bit 10:37 ;) 10:38 sorry, bitching is my normal modus operandi when playing non-slex forks :D I do try to not sound too harsh, but sometimes I just get really annoyed 10:38 hah 10:39 there was some weird option I changed IIRC... maybe if I can find and revert that, the inventory sorting will become normal again 10:39 maybe if I try to start a game with my testing account? 10:39 my inv sorting seemed fine last night 10:39 havent had much time to play it yet tho 10:39 hoping for time to really give it a go this weekend 10:39 nope, started a new character on the BSOD2 account, which has an unedited rcfile, same problem 10:39 Weapons d - 31 +0 ya (in quiver) c - a +0 yumi a - a +0 katana (weapon in hand) b - a +0 wakizashi (alternate weapon; not wielded) 10:40 it should clearly put the katana at the top since it's slot a 10:40 huh 10:40 yeah it's ultra confusing 10:41 wait! more problems! I have "implicit_uncursed" set to true! yet it still only says "a +0 katana" without saying that it's uncursed! WTH? 10:42 !tell aosdict is it just me, or does the implicit_uncursed option not work? I've set it to true, yet the game fails to tell me that my starting +0 katana is an uncursed +0 katana! 10:42 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 10:42 my implicit_uncursed is working 10:43 as is sorting 10:43 look at my game 10:43 ... you used magic :P 10:43 well my splint mail correctly shows as uncursed for some reason, all the other stuff doesn't 10:43 it could be an issue with your rc cfg 10:43 oh wait, the blindfold also shows uncursed 10:44 maybe it's an issue with weapons only? your weapon is blessed, which is shown of course, but maybe it wouldn't show uncursed identified ones as uncursed 10:44 LarienTelrunya: you should know that I have changed no options and there should be no differences between it and 3.6.1. 10:44 aosdict: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-03-09 10:25 EST: wow... first no-go in xnethack happens even before I've moved!!! Amazing! And it is the fact that your inventory apparently doesn't know how to sort itself, i.e. slot a (the katana) is not at the top, what is this shit :P 10:44 aosdict: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-03-09 10:42 EST: is it just me, or does the implicit_uncursed option not work? I've set it to true, yet the game fails to tell me that my starting +0 katana is an uncursed +0 katana! 10:44 nope look at my game now 10:45 K2: ? those arrows and mace are unidentified 10:45 also LarienTelrunya, you may need to start a new game with the changes you made to your cfg to take affect 10:45 yes 10:45 i dont know their BUC status 10:45 K2: right, that happened to me yesterday with pickup_types 10:45 K2: yeah, I'm aware of that, but I also changed the settings in-game and verified that implicit_uncursed is set to "true" 10:46 let's see what happens if I set it to false 10:46 ok... ? 10:46 WTF 10:46 that somehow makes it work 10:46 if i dont know their BUC status, they wont show as uncursed 10:46 LarienTelrunya set your cfg they way you want it, start a new game 10:47 very confusing... so it's reversed, "implicit_uncursed == TRUE" means "somehow don't always show uncursed status" while if it's false then it always shows it 10:47 anyway it works now 10:49 aww no hilite stairs 10:49 LarienTelrunya: I think that's how it works in 3.6.1. 10:49 (re: implicit_uncursed) 10:50 for some reason 10:50 hmm 10:50 well, as long as it's possible to set it so that it works correctly... ;) 10:52 * aosdict wonders how many people are going to complain about stuff because they either are playing with the default config or it was in 3.6.1 and they didn't know about it 10:52 probably all those who don't regularly play 3.6.x (I qualify)? :D 10:55 wtf, sinks are almostinvisibleoptometristcolor \ instead of gray # now? 10:55 -!- oh6_ has joined #hardfought 10:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6_] by ChanServ 10:59 aosdict: so I guess you also have no idea why the game insists on showing my ya (slot d) above the katana (slot a)? 11:01 As you reach for the gray stone, your scroll labeled VE FORBRYDERNE is pulled out of your pack! It touches the gray stone and they disappear! 11:01 aosdict: wtf is that the "thiefstone" thing you talked about? 11:01 also why can't I open the menu with esc :P 11:02 the hell, how do I access my discoveries without the menu 11:03 ah, the stone did get autoidentified, good :) 11:09 phew, good thing the bright green F is still a lichen 11:11 apparently xnethack allows me to displace peaceful monsters, or is that also 3.6.1? 11:13 stuff weigh way too much! 11:14 ugh it's also ultra confusing that gold automatically maps to $ in the inventory/loot menu, at least for people who come from a variant where it doesn't do that :D 11:14 @v?guardian naga hatchling 11:14 guardian naga hatchling (N) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 10 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Attacks: 1d4 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, thick hide 11:15 wtf I write in the dust with my fingertip, how cute :P 11:20 don't $ always do that? or is that only when compiled as object? 11:21 no idea, but I know they don't do that in slex, or maybe it's an option there 11:21 used to be a compile-time choice in 3.4.3 (last version I compiled myself) 11:21 GOLDOBJ 11:21 now it's the default 11:23 aosdict: is there a changelog for xnethack? 11:24 oh apparently there is, at https://raw.githubusercontent.com/copperwater/xNetHack/xnh0.1.0/xnh-changelog.txt 11:29 also stuff weigh way too much!!! :P 11:30 snickersnee get! :D 11:30 pff, a shopkeeper in orc town 11:33 here's hoping unihorns still restore stats normally in xnethack, because I'm going to eat this giant spider corpse now 11:33 yay poison resistance :P 11:33 also stuff weigh way too much arrrrrrrrgh 11:34 I almost said "you're just a pussy" but that could be taken the wrong way :-) 11:34 :) 11:35 haha, I wouldn't have a problem with that, in fact you could even call me the c word if you so desired :) 11:35 * K2 gasps 11:35 not the C word! 11:35 LarienTelrunya: haha a wild thiefstone! 11:35 "C# programmer" is a harsh insult 11:35 and I did add peaceful displacement 11:35 lol 11:35 aosdict: well I guess it's less evil than slex's stone of item teleportation? 11:36 LarienTelrunya: if you wield a unicorn horn barehanded, its effects apply passively every turn. 11:37 LarienTelrunya: if you can find where the thiefstone went, it could be very useful in building a stash 11:37 which would solve some of your carrycap problems 11:37 oh so it's an intra-level teleportation, I thought the items levelported 11:38 also sadly I don't actually have a unihorn yet, but hopefully I'll get one soon 11:38 they do. Intra-level only on the level where the thiefstone is "keyed" to. 11:38 and one more thing: will webs become ^ like all the other traps? it's very confusing that they look almost like amulets 11:39 I didn't have any plan to do that. 11:39 plus, with the lack of paranoid trap, it's very easy to stumble into them without meaning to :P 11:41 oh well, gonna be afk for a while 11:41 YANI: spiders intentionally spin webs in doorways and choke points. (This goes for at-level-generation webs.) 11:42 that's what spiders *do*! 11:42 I mean RL spiders 11:42 spin webs in doorways 11:46 True. 11:52 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 12:12 makes sense 12:12 surprised thats not already in vanilla 12:13 woot! 12:19 oh god xnethack has a mines end level with water... I guess paranoid water isn't a thing here? 12:19 wait, I have water walking boots so this shouldn't be so bad :D 12:19 find out 12:20 well at least with the boots there's no paranoid check 12:21 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:21 yay the shrieker shrieked once and immediately got a purple worm 12:22 GAH and that mines end variant has far too many squeezing spots! 12:22 !8ball am I dead? 12:22 LarienTelrunya: Outlook not so good 12:22 "The purple worm sinks as water rushes in and flushes you out." wtf 12:23 you were swallowed by a purple worm while over water 12:23 it drowned 12:23 perhaps it was a chameleon 12:23 oh they can't swim? TIL 12:23 yeah that's not me 12:23 I didn't even know that can *happen* in vanilla 12:23 nah, it appeared after a shrieker had shrieked, so it probably spawned that way 12:24 anyway have fun finding the seven rings 12:24 aosdict I had that happen to me in a recent unnethack game 12:24 gah, can it be that it's impossible to get everywhere due to the proliferation of squeezing spots? 12:25 do I really have to say 0/10 to this mines end variant :P 12:25 All of the # and . tiles should be connected, with one or two exceptions where you could walk on water anyway 12:25 <@riker> larien: RIP collat dmg 12:25 @riker: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-03-09 01:56 EST: oh, you ran into the #1 reason why I removed the trickery mechanic from slex :( rip :( I wish all other variants would remove the stupid trickery too, because it ONLY triggers when the player did nothing wrong. I literally hex-edited a vanilla savegame once, fully expecting to get a trickery, but it not only loaded, the change I made (modded the x,y coordinates of an item) actually worked. 12:25 @riker: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-03-09 01:58 EST: you shouldn't say your slex run is going well, because that will jinx it :P also, monster donning definitely works as intended, if that means knight/chevalier are more annoying to play then that's collateral damage, sorry :P in the case of doubt, cast spells or use pets against that alien princess bitch to avoid the alignment penalty 12:25 wut? watch my game 12:25 <@riker> but yeah my pet died 12:25 Amy wants easy mode 12:25 there's literally *tons* of places where I couldn't get without waterwalking 12:26 <@riker> lol 12:26 aosdict shame on you for not coding in an easy mode 12:26 LarienTelrunya: are you using a lamp 12:26 yes 12:26 pfft thats fine 12:26 is that bad? does using a lamp on that map turn random floor tiles into water? 12:26 gh has mine levels similar to this 12:26 <@riker> ^^ what 12:26 well, some things might look like dead ends because you haven't seen all of them 12:27 like, walk 2 squares to the right 12:27 yeah but that's like the only way forward, I already explored everywhere else 12:27 and again, tell me how to get around without WW :P 12:27 yup. she wants easy mode 12:27 <@riker> oh aosdict did you add my trap-detecting-lamp? 12:27 no 12:27 OMG a rat! 12:28 noooo a violet fungus! 12:28 GAH 12:28 item destruction in vanilla is just bullshit!!! 12:28 errrrmahgerd 12:28 * aosdict blames the presence of electric eels on jonadab 12:28 goodbye you asshole eel 12:28 (if I didn't have that scroll I'd be dead now) 12:28 aosdict i like your mines end 12:29 please add fire eels that instantly blow up my only source of teleportation, because it's still possible to escape by levelporting away :P 12:29 its unique 12:29 LarienTelrunya: isn't this level one of the des files you begged me to make 12:29 has elements of gh style mines 12:29 but laid out differently 12:29 okay so that mines end is officially unplayable, not gonna return to it 12:29 K2: the idea and map are by jonadab 12:29 aosdict: well I didn't know the map was designed so badly :P 12:29 nice 12:29 hmm I wonder what it would look like if wallified 12:29 * LarienTelrunya takes a look at the des file 12:30 okay so it's apparently designed such that you can only get everywhere if you drop 80% of your inventory 12:31 <@riker> !whereis larientelrunya 12:31 @riker: [hdf-us] larientelrunya is not currently playing on this server. 12:31 <@riker> !whereis amybsod 12:31 @riker: [hdf-us] amybsod is not currently playing on this server. 12:31 <@riker> !who 12:31 @riker: [hdf-us] DemoBot [nh] krm26 [nd] Grasshopper [nd] cpittman [un] Delraven [un] 12:31 @riker: [hdf-eu] pondlife [nd] elenmirie [nd] 12:31 <@riker> did you quit? 12:31 I think xnethack isn't hooked into Beholder yet 12:31 riker: I'm playing xnethack, the bot doesn't know about it yet 12:31 <@riker> oh, also, you found that sewer mines end? cool 12:32 it isnt 12:32 in slex that mines end would be a non-issue due to the player's ability to walk through squeezing spots, but in non-slex there's a (stupid) hard limit on the amount of stuff you may be carrying 12:32 its on my to-do 12:32 <@riker> sleep trap ftw 12:32 <@riker> instadeath 12:32 * LarienTelrunya points at the vanilla dev who made it so that the limit can't be increased with higher STR or CON, then curses. 12:33 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 12:34 also the fucking electric eels are on my list now, I'll so wipe out semicolons if I get a blessed genocide scroll 12:35 <@riker> lol 12:35 riker: oh you're playing too? let's see who of us gets screwed over fastest! :D 12:35 <@riker> wait, what 12:35 <@riker> already did ay 12:35 <@riker> *amy 12:35 <@riker> sleeping trap in the mines 12:35 <@riker> gnome lord hit me 5x and I'm dead 12:35 ah 12:36 <@riker> why is my long sword not BUCed 12:36 were you playing some squishy role? 12:36 <@riker> no 12:36 <@riker> samurai 12:36 <@riker> >_> 12:36 wtf??? 12:36 <@riker> with 18 con no less 12:36 lol 12:36 also, you'll want to set implicit_uncursed to false, it's very counterintuitive but the option does the exact opposite of what one would expect (message for slex's pager.c already written :P) 12:37 <@riker> oh thanks 12:37 <@riker> in dnh it's called show_buc I think 12:37 anyway, how the hell do you die to a gnome lord with a samurai, that's literally impossible since samurai is the best role, you can't die unless you do stupid things like bump into a floating eye :D 12:37 <@riker> that's just it 12:37 <@riker> I pretty much did 12:37 <@riker> but with sleeping trap instead of that 12:37 <@riker> :p 12:38 <@riker> I never woke up 12:38 also why do monsters even bother throwing daggers and stuff, the game is literally coded such that they never hit you if your AC is better than X, and it's very easy to reach that X 12:39 stuff weigh way too much! 12:40 "You feel strong! You must have been exercising diligently." lol I read that as "diagonally" 12:40 Evil Patch idea: boulder pushing only exercises strength if you do it diagonally on sokoban. 12:41 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:56095 12:41 <@riker> WAND DESTRUCTION PATCH NO 12:41 what did you lose? in my case it was an unidentified ring 12:42 <@riker> fire wand? 12:42 <@riker> oh no wand of nothing phew 12:43 how did you find out? don't wands just vanish without doing anything when they explode in vanilla? 12:44 also, explored the whole mines and still no bag 12:44 FeelsBadMan 12:45 <@riker> larien: uh, no I engrave id'ed 12:45 <@riker> it was no effect 12:45 ah 12:45 <@riker> then I zapped and it was no effect nodir 12:45 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:46 <@riker> !gt fountain 12:46 wtf you died??? 12:46 <@riker> ya 12:46 <@riker> totally my fault 12:46 <@riker> water demon from fountain while I was trying to uncurse some spinach 12:46 maybe I find your bones, I haven't been to the oracle in this game yet ;) 12:46 <@riker> lol 12:46 l monsters being lizards is uberweirdo 12:47 l 12:47 for lizards 12:47 what are leprechauns then? 12:47 <@riker> i larien 12:47 <@riker> for imp 12:47 but they're no minor demons :P 12:47 <@riker> bold i green i, like bold homoconvluthuhus 12:47 <@riker> yes they are 12:47 <@riker> they're the most demonic fuckers ever 12:48 hmm I wonder whether forcing a chest can break my Snickersnee; if not, I could ditch that wakizashi 12:49 LarienTelrunya: specifically i is described as "an impish creature", which leprechauns definitely are 12:50 and yes, the Sewer should be modified so that you can get everywhere by walking 12:50 ^^ 12:50 well not everywhere, there are some watery dead ends with nothing in them that I don't think people would care about 12:51 hmm... I got levelported there, and I would be surprised if those dead ends would be exempt 12:51 they should be exempt, they're water 12:52 anyway my build is broken right now because I can't figure out what else I need to change to get the game version from 3.6.1 to 0.1.0 12:53 patchlevel.h i thought 12:53 but, you're in the right place, as there's you know... a ton of variant authors/devs here :P 12:53 K2: yeah I changed those constants but am now getting "Version mismatch for file 'dungeon'" even after a full rebuild 12:54 hmm 12:54 3.6.1 may have added another mechanism 12:54 or maybe i just dont remember 12:54 #nethack-dev might be a better place since I think the mechanism is new in 3.6 12:54 aosdict: maybe the nhshare (or whatever they're called) files didn't get copied correctly? but I guess you're on unix so I don't know how it behaves there 12:56 debugging some more now 12:57 ah I think that's it 12:58 ok, I typoed changing the VERSION_COMPATIBILITY constant in patchlevel.h 12:58 now works 12:58 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:56142 13:01 LarienTelrunya: I see very few actual choke points in the Sewer map. Most of them have water on one side or another that would let you pass normally. 13:02 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03 [hdf-us] [un] cpittman (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:57122 13:07 well I see them everywhere, there's tons of places where you can't get to unless you drop a ton of stuff, I tried to mark them here: https://abload.de/img/sewerunplayable3wo19.png (I didn't bother marking all the areas that are inaccessible if you additionally lack waterwalking) 13:08 squeezing spots are a pain; if we consider all of them, there's very few ways to get around the level, and most of them involve going through the water 13:08 I think it's fine if water-only passages go through diagonal corridors. 13:08 But you should be able to get everywhere on dry ground that is dry. 13:08 so if, like me, you end up levelported there and not in the area with the upstair, you have to leave tons of stuff behind just to get out 13:08 (unless waterwalking, i.e. I really got lucky there) 13:12 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:12 aosdict: can it be that your wierdo lizardwierdos are generated asleep, because the code still thinks "l = leprechauns and therefore normally spawns asleep"? 13:12 jonadab: can it be that your wierdo lizardwierdos are generated asleep, because the code still thinks "l = leprechauns and therefore normally spawns asleep"? 13:14 ...no? they aren't S_leprechaun anymore 13:15 lol the sleep spell costs ∞ mana 13:15 well all the newts, iguanas etc. I encounter are spawning asleep 13:15 <@riker> ^ 13:15 or at least it seems that way to me 13:17 ugh who the hell left a bones level with 6+ killer bees and a chickatrice at the dlvl8 upstair??? 13:17 I just started a game as an Arc (for stealth), quaffed blessed monster detection, three newts on the level, they're all moving. 13:18 hmm or maybe they all spawned naturally... well they're dead now :P 13:22 yay, unlike fourk you can quicktravel in xnethack's soko without being screwed over :P 13:25 oh, I once had hours of fun with that "swallower swallos you over water" thing. in 3.4.3 there was a strange edge case that either segfaulted or had wrong message/action ordering. 13:25 I would have to dig up the bug report to refresh my memory. it needed quite an elaborate setup 13:26 LarienTelrunya: No, monsters are sometimes generated asleep in Fourk because of changes related to the stealth system. 13:26 jonadab: hmm... still, in both Fourk and xnh, I get the feeling that "l" are spawned asleep disproportionately often 13:27 Oh, no idea about in x. 13:28 bhaak: What about the case where you are expelled by a leashed tame engulfer over water in a shop, while levitating and generating conflict, while the leash is wielded? 13:29 oh, 3.4.3 had this segfault bug with engulfers: if you drop an amulet of life saving while inside Jubilex, then zap him with speed monster to make him equip it, get engulfed again, pick up the item, leave the level without him following, and being attacked by a nymph, you get a crash. 13:29 Because the game fails to realize that the amulet should no longer be equipped by Jubilex, and still says "being worn". 13:30 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 13:30 Heh. 13:30 aosdict you know how you track how many times FIQhack is updated? 13:30 LarienTelrunya: nice 13:30 you should start tracking how many times LarienTelrunya complains about xnethack 13:30 jonadab: I don't remember that exact one but it might be related to the one I have in mind 13:30 K2: LOL 13:30 we could turn it into a drinking game 13:30 bhaak: I just made that one up out of whole cloth, actually. But it's probably a bug. 13:31 except you'd get wasted after about 5 min of playing 13:31 :) 13:31