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01:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:64643
01:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:64645
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01:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:65243
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01:58 <LarienTelrunya> !tell jonadab thanks for improving the appraisal code. That weird multifire case you mentioned would easily be fixable if you simply make it so that picking up a not-known +0 stack while having a known +0 stack would merge the former onto the latter, which is the way slex handles it :D
01:58 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya!
01:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed Cthulhu, on T:65431
02:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:65452
02:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed Cthulhu, on T:65476
02:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed Cthulhu, on T:65528
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02:53 <bhaak> jonadab: lore-wise, the heart of ahriman was not supposed to be handled by a normal person. so in that regard, it doesn't need to benefit its quest role.
02:55 <Mandevil> bhaak: But maybe future demigods are not regular persons?
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04:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh] pavelek (Val Hum Fem Law), 2116 points, T:2005, killed by a gnome
04:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh] pavelek (Val Hum Fem Law), 293 points, T:745, killed by a gnome
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05:54 <LarienTelrunya> Evil Patch idea: mindflayer mimics that have brain-sucking attacks.
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06:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:5069
06:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha), 18039 points, T:5172, killed by a gnome king
06:11 <[Demo]> !whereis DemoBot
06:11 <Beholder> [Demo]: [hdf-us] DemoBot [nh]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:30800 The Dungeons of Doom level: 3
06:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:1102
06:44 <LarienTelrunya> YASI: bihorns, which are unicorns... except that they have two horns, and throwing gems to them will reduce luck rather than increase it. EPI addendum: you have to read a scroll of identify while next to any "u" to discover its amount of horns.
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08:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 3090 points, T:2974, killed by a dust vortex, while frozen by a monster's gaze
08:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh] pavelek (Val Hum Fem Law), 7429 points, T:3932, killed by a vampire bat
08:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Jonadab (jonadab) (Val Hum Fem Neu) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:11588
08:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh] pavelek (Val Hum Fem Law), 351 points, T:689, killed by a gas spore's explosion
08:47 <Beholder> jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-02-27 01:58 EST: thanks for improving the appraisal code. That weird multifire case you mentioned would easily be fixable if you simply make it so that picking up a not-known +0 stack while having a known +0 stack would merge the former onto the latter, which is the way slex handles it :D
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09:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh] pavelek (Val Hum Fem Law), 4896 points, T:3859, killed by a warg
09:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh] pavelek (Val Hum Fem Law), 392 points, T:416, killed by a gnome, while helpless
09:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5666
09:48 <K2> morning
09:49 <dtype> morning!
09:49 <K2> heh
09:49 * K2 is home sick
09:49 <K2> bleeeeeeh
09:49 <aosdict> better than being homesick?
09:49 <K2> no
09:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh] pavelek (Val Hum Fem Law), 1453 points, T:1444, killed by a hill orc
09:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] paulik (pavelek) (Val Hum Fem Law), 24672 points, T:482, killed by an arrow, while sleeping off potion vapours
10:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:66020
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10:14 <ais523> Beholder: hi
10:14 <FIQ> hm
10:14 <FIQ> one sec
10:15 <FIQ> oh I didn't reply, but intended to, sorry
10:15 <FIQ> ais523: anyway, how am I going to alias #enhance properly?
10:16 <FIQ> hmm
10:16 <FIQ> ooh I am stupid, it seems that it aliases based on commands, not keys
10:16 <FIQ> why did I think it aliased based on keys...
10:17 <FIQ> nvm, all good then
10:17 <ais523> vanilla thinking, perhaps?
10:17 <ais523> I'm fairly confident that Vulture translates its commands into keypresses behind the scenes
10:17 <ais523> or used to, at least
10:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] paulik (pavelek) (Val Hum Fem Law), 32773 points, T:1583, killed by a water demon
10:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:66846
10:37 <FIQ> hmm
10:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:67343
10:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class m, on T:35463
10:52 <FIQ> !tell K2 pushed some updates: a major bug fix, and added a minor feature so that you can use + and alt+e to view spellbooks and skills respectively in replaymode/watchmode
10:52 <Beholder> Will do, FIQ!
10:52 <FIQ> s/spellbooks/spells/
10:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] s (pavelek) (Val Hum Fem Law), 51334 points, T:2649, quit
10:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:67769
11:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:67865
11:07 <rld> <@riker> ^ I feel like 100 turns was a very fast plane sprint?
11:08 <rld> <@riker> to get from the wzi, presumably on earth, to astral
11:08 <aosdict> @riker look above, there were other wiz kills
11:08 <rld> <@riker> ah I see
11:08 <rld> <@riker> so he kept double troubling
11:09 <aosdict> or just respawning
11:09 <rld> <@riker> I thought he stopped respawning once you hit the planes
11:09 <aosdict> nope
11:09 <aosdict> he can't respawn in astral, but that's it
11:10 <rld> <@riker> hm ok
11:10 <aosdict> and he can follow you to astral if he happens to be right there on Water
11:12 <rld> <@riker> k2: wha'ts the point of chugging those !oFH, while on the right high altar?
11:12 <K2> i want to max my hp
11:12 <Beholder> K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-02-27 10:52 EST: pushed some updates: a major bug fix, and added a minor feature so that you can use + and alt+e to view spellbooks and skills respectively in replaymode/watchmode
11:12 <rld> <@riker> k2: is that more score or smth?
11:13 <K2> whatever smth is
11:13 <rld> <@riker> smth = something, but lol ok
11:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 2197574 points, T:67951, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/un531/dumplog/1519265972.un531.txt.html
11:14 <K2> alrighty
11:14 <K2> bhaak - all roles and races have now been ascended in unnethack
11:14 <rld> <@riker> grats k2
11:14 <rld> <@riker> dnethack next!
11:14 <K2> heh
11:15 <K2> gnome ranger sucks
11:15 <K2> just fyi
11:15 <rld> <@riker> ^
11:15 <rld> <@riker> it does in dnethack too, don't worry
11:15 <K2> i think its universal
11:15 <rld> <@riker> in dnethack it's even worse though
11:15 <rld> <@riker> :D
11:15 <K2> :)
11:16 <K2> and thanks!
11:16 <rld> <@riker> but seriously, what are you gonna try next?
11:16 <K2> Fourk
11:16 <rld> <@riker> I think that's spork, gh, and un so far?
11:16 <rld> <@riker> ah cool
11:16 <K2> i've only ascended once in sporkhack
11:16 <rld> <@riker> oh I thought you'd done all roles there
11:16 <K2> oh no hah
11:17 <K2> i've ascended all roles/races/genders in grunthack
11:17 <K2> only
11:17 <rld> <@riker> gh full monty when
11:17 <K2> rofl
11:17 <bhaak> K2: by you? which one sucked the most?
11:18 <K2> bhaak: no not quite. if you look on Mandevil's scoreboard, it will show which roles/races havent been ascended yet for a particular variant
11:18 <K2> i wrapped up gnome ranger, that was the last one
11:19 <K2> https://scoreboard.xd.cm/firstasc.unh.html
11:19 <K2> refresh that page in one min, i'll show up in the gnome ranger slot
11:20 <rld> <@riker> so technically all races/roles/genders have been ascended now, cool
11:20 <K2> for unnethack yes
11:21 <K2> thats been my mission last few weeks
11:21 <K2> now i want to tackle some Fourk unascended roles/races
11:26 <rld> <@riker> !tell LarienTelrunya add to slex plz: https://pastebin.com/ag9NzE08
11:26 <Beholder> Will do, @riker!
11:27 <rld> <@Tone> 'grats K2 😄
11:28 <elenmirie> congrats K2!
11:29 <elenmirie> extra credit for gnome ranger ;)
11:29 <rld> <@riker> !role slex
11:29 <aosdict> gnomerang!
11:29 <elenmirie> the gnome that keeps coming back
11:30 <rld> <@riker> aosdict: does xnethack already let you throw monsters? LD
11:30 <rld> <@riker> *:D
11:30 <aosdict> talk about SMOPs...
11:31 <rld> <@riker> eh
11:31 <rld> <@riker> if you try to 'm' onto a square with a monster at least 2 sizes smaller than you
11:31 <rld> <@riker> (i.e. MZ_TINY by default)
11:31 <rld> <@riker> then you can "pick it up? y/n"
11:31 <aosdict> also, relevant: https://nhqdb.alt.org/?1996
11:31 <rld> <@riker> if you choose to pick it up, you can't move until you drop /throw it
11:31 <rld> <@riker> throwing it at a wall deals 2d6 or something, at a monster deals 1d6 to both
11:32 <rld> <@riker> presumably distance is based on strength
11:32 <rld> <@riker> if you drop it, it goes to an adjacent square
11:32 <aosdict> yeah, that would add *so many* weird edge cases with invent code
11:32 <bhaak> K2: anything in particular that you would want to see improved?
11:32 <rld> <@kritixilithos> there should be a #stomp command that can be used on terrestrial creatures that are X sizes smaller than you, where if you get past its AC, you can instakill it
11:32 <rld> <@riker> aosdict: you're not wrong
11:32 <aosdict> I think that may be my favorite nhqdb quote of all time.
11:32 <rld> <@kritixilithos> YANI ^^
11:34 <bhaak> aosdict: I expected a joke about dwarf tossing
11:34 <K2> thanks @Tone, elenmirie!
11:34 <K2> bhaak: I did notice that the map overview would omit sokoban and the town after visiting
11:34 <K2> is that by design?
11:36 <bhaak> hmm, I wouldn't remember
11:37 <bhaak> but it only records note worthy stuff. in sokoban there is nothing I think 
11:39 <rld> <@riker> adeon made beholder, right?
11:39 <rld> <@riker> since amy never got around to it I've got a list of races/roles for slex to add to it: https://pastebin.com/uShsaBdi
11:39 <rld> <@riker> should I leave him a !tell?
11:39 <bhaak> K2: it should record the town, unless you drought up all the fountain and the sink?
11:39 <Adeon> I've made nothing
11:39 <Adeon> I deny everything
11:39 <rld> <@riker> hm ok
11:40 <rld> <@riker> that sounds completely true
11:40 <rld> <@riker> anyway I've got to go now whoever owns beholder please fess up :)
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11:40 <Adeon> I made crystal ice golems
11:40 <Adeon> they've killed people
11:41 <Adeon> although I don't know if they are in whatever variant you are playing right now
11:41 <K2> @riker the channel bot Beholder?
11:41 <Adeon> oh, beholder the IRC bot?
11:41 <K2> that would be Tangles, he's done 99% of the work on it
11:41 <Adeon> I think that was the super annoying monster in slash'em
11:42 <K2> and in grunthack
11:42 <K2> i beefed it up in gh
11:42 <K2> but this was a Good Thing™
11:42 <rld> <@Tone> Yeah I think he wants a !race/role command that works for slex
11:42 <K2> um
11:42 <K2> prob never will
11:43 <K2> i dont feel like hand jamming hundreds of different roles and races into the bot
11:43 <rld> <@Tone> heh
11:43 <K2> Adeon: yeah the ice golems. nice work there
11:43 <K2> they hit rather hard ;)
11:44 <K2> about the bot and races/roles for slex - I started to actually do that several months ago and got tired of typing
11:44 <K2> and them Amy added even more
11:45 <K2> so, starting at line 300 - https://github.com/NHTangles/beholder/blob/master/beholder.py
11:45 <K2> if anyone wants to finish that, feel free
11:46 <ais523> how much work would it take to parse it out of the source rather than typing it?
11:46 <ais523> it's probably nontrivial but likely better than writing out the entire list
11:46 <K2> hmm i think someone did that once (bugsniper i think)
11:46 <K2> but it wasnt in the same format
11:46 <K2> so still much typing involved
11:46 <K2> as in tedious mind numbing typing
11:47 <K2> ok lunch time brb
11:48 <bhaak> K2: also, you can #annotate every level.
11:49 <rld> <@Tone> Riker made a list already, not sure if the format is what you need though
11:50 <FIQ> K2: tell LarienTelrunya to do it
11:50 <rld> <@Tone> https://pastebin.com/uShsaBdi
11:50 <FIQ> don't do it yourself
11:50 <FIQ> she brought this upon herself
11:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:12235
11:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:12236
12:05 <rld> <@riker> !role dnh
12:05 <Beholder> @riker: binder
12:08 <rld> <@riker> k2: I'm working on making for you
12:08 <rld> <@riker> just pasted into a text doc and using sed
12:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Lol (Val Hum Fem Neu) was given Mjollnir, on T:10216
12:51 <hothraxxa> are hardfought servers sharing bones files now?
12:54 <aosdict> K2: ^
13:01 <elenmirie> hothraxxa: yes they do
13:02 <hothraxxa> thanks. i just found bones on us of someone i was sure plays on eu
13:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 2789 points, T:3423, killed by a gnome
13:12 <hothraxxa> well now it's double bones
13:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) was given Magicbane, on T:6350
13:12 <rld> <@riker> yay!
13:12 <rld> <@riker> even more loot!
13:12 <rld> <@riker> even more deadly things!
13:13 <rld> <@riker> !lastgame hothraxxa
13:13 <Beholder> @riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hothraxxa/gh/dumplog/1519741003.gh.txt
13:14 <hothraxxa> i could have healed. i didn't. i died.
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13:29 <K2> thanks @riker
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13:30 <K2> hothraxxa yeah Tangles developed a way for all servers to share bones. its pretty neat
13:30 <hothraxxa> it is
13:31 <rld> <@riker> k2: not done yet and I gotta do something in the meantime
13:31 <rld> <@riker> but I will do it
13:31 <rld> <@riker> (turns out that my strat of copying from the starting abilities didn't work)
13:31 <K2> no rush
13:32 <K2> feeling better, think i'll go in to work for a few hrs
13:32 <K2> dont want to feel like a complete turd
13:32 <rld> <@riker> get well soon!
13:36 <K2> boss just told me to stay home
13:36 <K2> lol
13:36 <K2> grrrrr
13:36 <K2> i didnt push it tho
13:40 <aosdict> probably doesn't want you getting other people sick
13:47 <K2> well too late for that
13:47 <K2> you're typically contagious before symptoms show
13:47 <rld> <@riker> k2: what do you work as?
13:47 <rld> <@riker> presumably software?
13:47 <K2> @riker hah no, i am anything but a programmer ;)
13:48 <rld> <@riker> huh ok
13:48 <K2> IT systems admin for a decent sized company here in VT
13:48 <rld> <@riker> that's still kinda what I had in mind I guess
13:49 <K2> i wish i were a programmer
13:49 <K2> that way i wouldnt have to keep asking Tangles and FIQ to keep un-fucking my coding mistakes
13:50 <jonadab> K2: Start a NetHack variant.  After a few months, people will start to _think_ you are a programmer.  Whether you really are or not.
13:50 <K2> oh god lol
13:50 <rld> <@riker> I mean he's not wrong
13:51 <K2> i could call it 'PissFIQOffHack'
13:52 <K2> and just take grunthack and make it more evil
13:52 <K2> where every door is booby trapped
13:52 <K2> and soldiers dont have any skill in wands
13:52 <jonadab> Oooh, GruntHack + Evil Patch Ideas
13:52 * K2 gasps
13:58 <aosdict> You mean, GruntHack + More Evil Patch Ideas.
14:00 <rld> <@riker> ^
14:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] Som (Val Dwa Fem Law), 556 points, T:910, killed by a gnome zombie, while fainted from lack of food
14:01 <jonadab> aosdict: Heh.
14:03 <jonadab> Start by implementing the one where if you don't quaff enough liquids you get dehydrated, leading to hallucination, confusion, and eventually death.  Then go from there.
14:03 <aosdict> I would think it would be confusion THEN hallucination (and confusion at the same time)
14:03 <rld> <@riker> "do I drink the !oHallu? I'm gonna hallu anyway..."
14:04 <jonadab> Heh.
14:04 <ais523> jonadab: this frequently comes up in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
14:04 <ais523> if you're really hungry you'll often eat random potion-equivalents for nutrition
14:05 <ais523> typically the bad ones first because the good ones might save you in an emergency
14:05 <ais523> and you can normally get rid of the ill effects by changing levels, so you just eat them on the downstairs
14:05 <ais523> (items are pre-IDed in that game)
14:16 <FIQ> I've sometimes considered making all potions give minor nutrition
14:16 <FIQ> (and boost nutrition given by actual nutritious potions like booze and fruit juice)
14:18 <aosdict> and drinking water from fountains and sinks gives a small amount of nutrition. you can theoretically survive the whole game on that and a ring of slow digestion
14:18 <ais523> that's basically what PMD does
14:18 <APic> lol
14:18 <APic> Good one
14:18 <ais523> the increase is 1/20 of that from typical permafood
14:18 <aosdict> stupid ascension trick: ^^^ that.
14:19 <ais523> aosdict: "liquid diet"
14:19 <aosdict> except stricter.
14:19 <aosdict> no nutrition from *any* source except fountains
14:19 <ais523> although it's normally done with the help of a horn of plenty and the PYEC
14:19 <ais523> rather than fountains
14:19 <rld> <@Tone> Gehennom would be difficult
14:20 <aosdict> you would also probably have to speedrun; fountains don't stick around forever
14:20 <ais523> if you're going off a single =oSD rather than two, and not restoring nutrition any other way, you'd need to be speedrunning pretty fast to pull that off
14:20 <FIQ> doesn't water potions give nutrition?
14:20 <FIQ> so just blank everything
14:20 <ais523> although speedrun-foodless has been done before now
14:20 <aosdict> @Tone you would have to get lucky at juiblex
14:20 <ais523> without even using fountains
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14:21 <rld> <@Tone> Probably just poly for gehennom or something
14:21 <aosdict> FIQ: yeah, but my rule is you can't gain nutrition from any source except fountains, so water potions are out
14:21 <rld> <@Tone> That basically cheating for those constraints though
14:21 <ais523> or, hmm, it's mentioned as a strategy in the nethackwiki but it doesn't list any example runs
14:21 <ais523> aosdict: I don't see that being fundamentally different to speedrun-foodless
14:22 <ais523> oh, it's on the notable ascensions page
14:22 <APic> Liquid Diet
14:23 <APic> The Augmentation of that would be Light-Nutrition
14:23 <APic> (No Idea what the Word is in English, it is „Lichtnahrung“ in German)
14:24 <ais523> https://bilious.alt.org/rgrn/?101033,101036,101042,101053,101054,101088,101089,101772,102562
14:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a coyote, on T:16477
14:24 <APic> (Godly „Brahma“ or something…)
14:24 <APic> Well
14:24 <ais523> wow =oSD lasts a long time
14:24 <APic> That is not much different from foodless
14:24 <ais523> 11662 turns doesn't even really qualify as a speedrun nowadays
14:24 <hothraxxa> you quaff the potion of healing! you choke! you die... dywypi?
14:24 <rld> <@riker> APic is that what plants do?
14:24 <APic> Just potionless true
14:25 <rld> <@riker> in english we call that photosynthesis iirc
14:25 <APic> Yup, something like that
14:25 <APic> s/true/also/
14:26 <aosdict> Unfortunately the game takes place in a dungeon.
14:27 <jonadab> ais523: Yeah, I have this idea to make rings of slow digestion and hunger into a single, enchantable/chargeable "ring of digestion".
14:27 <jonadab> Where getting the effect of a vanilla ring of SD would require charging up to like +10 or so.
14:27 <aosdict> I have not heard that one before - YANI ^
14:27 <jonadab> (Or using two +5 ones.)
14:28 <ais523> OK, so 569 out of 19121 NAO ascensions with a recorded turncount were done fast enough to not starve with the help of an =oSD and no other nutrition gain
14:28 <ais523> that's much less than I expected
14:28 <hothraxxa> i've ascended without slow digestion. it's horridly annoying
14:29 <ais523> hothraxxa: foodless or foodful?
14:29 <aosdict> That seems like a _much_ better solution to the slow digestion problem my nutrition overhaul faces than the "ring of stasis".
14:29 <ais523> I consider =oSD a negative ring for non-casters
14:29 <hothraxxa> oh never foodless, i'm not a masochist
14:29 <jonadab> foodless petless nude zen atheist pacifist FTW.
14:29 <ais523> and will even wear an =oH voluntarily on occasion (although not a cursed one, obviously)
14:29 <hothraxxa> see i find it annoying enough that i give up a ring slot for it
14:29 <ais523> got to get those intrinsics
14:29 <hothraxxa> where it == hunger
14:30 <ais523> jonadab: I don't think petless pacifist has been done?
14:30 <hothraxxa> i also wear hunger occasionally
14:30 <jonadab> ais523: But intrinsics don't time out in vanilla, so once you have all your intrinsics, you have no further need of hunger.
14:30 <ais523> I'd love to see it done but can't think of a strategy that's likely to work outside TAS conditions
14:30 <jonadab> No idea if petless pacifist has been done, pretty sure it would be difficult.
14:32 <aosdict> Part of the problem is that you would need to check the whole ttyrec to verify petless.
14:32 <ais523> turncounts of NAO runs: mean 54025, median 44163, mode 26907/26683/31481
14:32 <ais523> jonadab: what are the odds that a run like that wouldn't lead to an rgrn post and reddit post and wiki post?
14:32 <ais523> plus announcements all over IRC?
14:32 <ais523> as stupid ascension tricks go, that one is particularly stupid (and also stupidly impressive)
14:33 <ais523> would using conflict count as cheating?
14:33 <aosdict> it was done by someone who has no idea that the nethack community exists and doesn't know anything about the game beyond nethack.org
14:33 <aosdict> :P
14:33 <ais523> hmm… foodless no =oSD seems like an interesting conduct
14:33 <ais523> although you'd probably just abuse failed polyself
14:34 <rld> <@Tone> ais523 conflict seems like the only "reasonable" way I can think to go about that
14:34 <jonadab> You could use evasion a lot, but it has limits, e.g., evasion will not get you the invocation items.
14:35 <jonadab> Not to mention, it's really hard to entirely avoid combat on crowded levels and around fast monsters.
14:35 <ais523> polyself to something with a powerfull passive? or does that credit you for the kill?
14:35 <ais523> *powerful
14:35 <jonadab> Not 100% sure, but probably credits you, I suspect?
14:35 <ais523> you aren't actively attacking though
14:36 <ais523> it's like killing a monster with reflection
14:36 <jonadab> Sure, but weaponless is easier than pacifist.
14:36 <ais523> that shouldn't credit you except arguably in the case of Medusa
14:36 <jonadab> Hmm.
14:36 <ais523> in weaponless you still get to punch things
14:36 <jonadab> I don't think reflecting rays credits you, good point.
14:37 <jonadab> Also, I think you can punch things as a pacifist.  Just not to death.
14:38 <rld> <@Tone> Hmm I guess you could poly into a nymph or similar to steal invocation items?
14:39 <rld> <@Tone> Actually it would just be nymphs
14:39 <aosdict> jonadab: So you wear reflection and toss all the wands of reflection at intelligent monsters? I like that
14:39 <ais523> @Tone: foocubi work too
14:39 <hothraxxa> what is a wand of reflection? makes you think...
14:39 <ais523> I think they're a valid polyform?
14:40 <jonadab> hothraxxa: wand of fire, wand of lightning, etc.  Any ray-based attack wand.
14:40 <aosdict> *wands that reflect
14:40 <hothraxxa> jonadab: you must be a treat at parties
14:41 <ais523> YANI: artifact that #invokes to create attack wands
14:42 <hothraxxa> out of a random choice of your wands
14:42 <jonadab> hothraxxa: I tend to avoid most parties.
14:42 <jonadab> Unpleasant things where people expect you to be _sociable_.
14:42 * jonadab shudders.
14:43 <rld> <@Tone> ais523 ah, I assumed they only stole armor
14:43 <aosdict> jonadab: doesn't your job require you to interact with library visitors all day
14:43 <jonadab> What nymphs?  No, they'll rob you blind.  I've had them steal every single item I had in inventory in one go, occasionally.  Rare, but happens.
14:43 <jonadab> aosdict: Not most days.  Occasionally.
14:44 <ais523> jonadab: that only happens if they steal armour though
14:44 <rld> <@Tone> No, foocubi jona
14:44 <jonadab> aosdict: Also, that's a much more structured environment.
14:44 <jonadab> @Tone, Oh, them.
14:44 <ais523> as they'll teleport away unless the theft inflicts helplessness
14:44 <jonadab> Not sure then.
14:44 <rld> <@Tone> Talking about players stealing items from monsters while polied
14:44 <hothraxxa> how do they get the armour off so damned fast is what i want to know
14:44 <hothraxxa> takes me 4-5 turns
14:45 <jonadab> Also, I'd be somewhat surprised if monster-vs-player theft works exactly the same way as player-vs-monster theft.
14:45 <rld> <@Tone> Lots of practice
14:45 <aosdict> hothraxxa: they don't. you become helpless for the armor delay. which lets them get multiple additional stealing attacks in.
14:45 <jonadab> hothraxxa: foocubi have some kind of magical time dampening field.  "The world holds still, while..."
14:45 <hothraxxa> not with foocubi
14:45 <Mandevil> K2: Well done on that First To Ascend front :)
14:45 <aosdict> Oh, them.
14:45 <ais523> right, the flavour is that the nymph is charming you to remove your armour
14:45 <K2> thanks Mandevil ;)
14:45 <ais523> while you're doing that she steals everything else you have too
14:46 <[Demo]> hey who wants to fix the broken ass grappling hook theft bug in their variant?
14:46 <ais523> hmm, this is actually an argument for not wearing high-delay armour
14:46 <Mandevil> K2: Still lot of work in Spork, FIQ and Fourk.
14:47 <jonadab> ais523: Could that be a way to nerf DSM?  Give it a very high armor delay?
14:47 <aosdict> ais523: at least in the early game. (Stealing attacks should be relevant past the early game IMO)
14:47 <jonadab> Or would that be evil?
14:47 <K2> yes, esp sporkhack
14:47 <K2> hardest imo
14:47 <hothraxxa> stealing attacks by nymphs are always relevant
14:47 <K2> tackling Fourk now, been since junethack since I played it seriously
14:48 <jonadab> Especially in variants with island nymphs?
14:48 <hothraxxa> esp when a nymph in fiqhack gets your boh
14:48 <Mandevil> Oh, Grunt has lot of openings left still.
14:48 <ais523> jonadab: I still think we should use dtsundDSM
14:48 <jonadab> ais523: So do I.
14:48 <K2> it does but i've already asc all roles/races. just not every alignment combo
14:48 <jonadab> In fact, it's implemented in 4.3.0.5
14:48 <jonadab> (Which is still bleeding-edge, i.e., not save stable.)
14:49 <K2> arnibald has a ecent gh game going at the moment, hope he/she ascends
14:49 <ais523> in that case, high delay works as a nerf but not tied to dragon armour specifically
14:49 <K2> *decent
14:49 <ais523> and very high delay is probably a bad idea because "nymph susceptability" is a bit bizarre as a trinsic
14:49 <ais523> especially if combined with high MC :-)
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14:51 <K2> jonadab: playing arc scurrier
14:51 <K2> i get this message trying to dig into a boulder
14:51 <K2> Sparks fly as you whack the boulder. The axe-handle vibrates violently!
14:51 <jonadab> K2: Oooh, arc.  That's one of the roles I have really NO idea how to do.
14:51 <K2> but i am not wielding anything other than my bullwhip
14:51 <jonadab> K2: Oh, that's a bug.  
14:51 <jonadab> Let me make note of it, I thought it was fixed, but.
14:51 <K2> ok
14:51 <jonadab> There's probably more than one codepath.
14:52 <K2> scurrier chew through the earth correct?
14:52 <K2> *scurriers
14:53 <jonadab> They dig.  Not sure if they chew or use their paws like a rabbit.
14:53 <jonadab> That's left ambiguous.
14:53 <K2> You start chewing a hole in the rock.  You continue digging.
14:53 <K2> ah there we go
14:53 <jonadab> (My headcannon is the latter, but it's not an important distinction.)
14:54 <K2> it may be important. say i am wielding a cursed weapon
14:54 <K2> wouldnt be able to use my claws to dig would i?
14:54 * K2 likes that scurriers chew
14:54 <jonadab> Do rabbits dig with their forepaws, or hind paws?
14:55 <K2> no clue
14:55 <jonadab> I should research this.
14:55 <hothraxxa> i think they use little backhoes
14:55 <K2> scurrier is rabbit-based?
14:55 <jonadab> Heh.
14:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] actuallyme (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 41048 points, T:5079, killed by an owlbear
14:55 <jonadab> K2: Rabbit / Squirrel / Reepicheep
14:55 <K2> hahahah
14:55 <K2> i like the balance
14:56 <K2> i can successfully dig in one turn
14:56 <K2> but cannot dig through a boulder
14:56 <jonadab> Interesting.
14:56 <K2> intended?
14:56 <jonadab> I didn't really think through boulders very well.
14:56 <jonadab> Probably should.
14:56 <K2> arcs start off with intrinsic speed so that may contribute
14:56 <jonadab> If nothing else, we would need a flavor message if we decide to leave it that way.
14:56 <jonadab> Because the axe handle message is very obviously wrong.
14:57 <jonadab> Ah, do they?  Ok.
14:57 <jonadab> And scurriers have higher base speed than any other race.
14:57 <jonadab> Which _is_ intended.
14:57 <jonadab> (They're supposed to be fast and squishy.)
14:58 <K2> neat
14:58 <K2> um... what does the M stand for in my stats display
14:58 <jonadab> movement rate.
14:58 <K2> aaaahhh
14:58 <jonadab> Humans are 12.
14:58 <K2> i have M:24
14:58 <jonadab> Well, humans with no bonus or malus are 12.
14:58 <K2> no wonder those grid bugs seemed like they were asleep
14:59 <jonadab> Heh.
14:59 <K2> i'm like hammy from over the hedge!
14:59 <jonadab> At 24 you should be able to comfortably outrun ants.
14:59 <hothraxxa> and carry nothing
14:59 <K2> this is going to be fun
14:59 <K2> ok time to get my kid, bbl
15:26 <rld> <@riker> "# so don't do that (I'm looking at you, FIQ)"
15:26 <rld> <@riker> LOL fiq getting roasted by tangles(?)
15:41 <FIQ> what
15:41 <FIQ> where
15:41 <rld> <@riker> beholder.py in beholder
15:41 <FIQ> link
15:41 <rld> <@riker> basically it's about recognizing "!role gamename"
15:41 <rld> <@riker> can't take 'fiq'
15:41 <rld> <@riker> has to take fiqhack
15:41 <rld> <@riker> since 'fiq' is parsed from yoru name
15:41 <rld> <@riker> linking
15:42 <rld> <@riker> https://github.com/NHTangles/beholder/edit/master/beholder.py
15:42 <rld> <@riker> edit link since I'm a lazy fuck
15:42 <FIQ> your link doesn't work
15:42 <FIQ> you have commit access apparently
15:42 <FIQ> hence why it works for you
15:43 <FIQ> https://github.com/NHTangles/beholder/blob/master/beholder.py better lin
15:43 <FIQ> k
15:43 <rld> <@riker> I don't
15:43 <rld> <@riker> >_>
15:43 <rld> <@riker> I'm just editing
15:44 <FIQ> then you have a fork
15:46 <rld> <@riker> not yet but I will in a moment
15:46 <rld> <@riker> yea
15:47 <rld> <@riker> I know how to github believe it or not :D
15:57 <rld> <@riker> k2: can you merge beholder PRs or only tangles?
16:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:13968
16:25 <Tangles> haha... sorry FIQ.
16:25 <aosdict> yet another reason not to rename xnethack aosdicthack
16:25 <rld> <@riker> lol
16:25 <rld> <@riker> tangles: was that you?
16:26 <Tangles> The comment? Yes, probably.
16:26 <rld> <@riker> heh
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16:31 <Tangles> I just meant that if we accept "fiq" as an abbreviation for "fiqhack", things like "!lastgame fiq" would be ambiguous.
16:31 <rld> <@riker> oh, didn't knw that worked
16:31 <rld> <@riker> !lastgame fiqhak
16:31 <Beholder> @riker: [hdf-us] No last game for fiqhak on this server.
16:31 <rld> <@riker> !lastgame fiqhack
16:31 <Beholder> @riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/naeroon/fiqhack/dumplog/2018-02-26%2023%3A06%3A41%2C%20Naeroon-Val-Dwa-Fem-Law%2C%20died.txt
16:31 <Beholder> @riker: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/kritixilithos/fiqhack/dumplog/2018-02-27%2008%3A29%3A54%2C%20kritixilithos-Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha%2C%20died.txt
16:31 <rld> <@riker> TIL
16:31 <isha> other bots i know that work similarly would take `!lastgame * fiq` as last fiqhack game and `!lastgame fiq` as last game from user fiq
16:32 <isha> (not those specific terms but that method of disambiguation)
16:32 <jonadab> That would make more sense, honestly.
16:32 <rld> <@riker> reasonable
16:32 <jonadab> I mean, what if I create an account with a username of sporkhack, and use it to play GruntHack?
16:32 <jonadab> The bot will get confused.
16:32 <Tangles> yeah
16:34 <rld> <@riker> or even "dynamite" playing grunthack or something
16:34 <Tangles> but then everyone needs to remember to always give !lastgame two args, and which order they go in. I was trying to avoid that.
16:37 <isha> i tend to expect !lastgame foo to always mean foo's last game anyway - ie the first arg is always username - but that might just be that i'm used to bots working like that
16:42 <dtype> I just got an email from "DeathOnAStick", like the *actual* guy
16:42 <dtype> (only maybe interesting to *very* old NAO fans)
16:44 <[Demo]> heh
16:46 <hothraxxa> i'm on dlvl 6. i #untrap a door
16:46 <hothraxxa> In what direction? You find no traps on the door. In what direction? You find no traps on the door. In what direction? You find no traps on the door. In what direction? You find no traps on the door. The door opens.  KABOOM!!  The door was booby-trapped!  You are caught in the explosion!  Your boots smoulder! One of your scrolls of identify catches fire and burns!  Your scroll of remove curse catches fire and burns! Your magic
16:47 <hothraxxa> and that, chilldren, is why you should never ever play that evil grunthack
16:47 <FIQ> Tangles: no
16:47 <FIQ> basically
16:47 <FIQ> !lastgame whatever would take game, or player if such a game doesn't exist
16:48 <FIQ> !lastgame * whatever would take game, and only game
16:48 <FIQ> there's also generally . for "myself"
16:48 <hothraxxa> oh it was truncated
16:48 <hothraxxa> Your magical scroll labeled NR 9 catches fire and burns!  Your scroll of blank paper catches fire and burns! Your shining spellbook catches fire and burns!  You stagger...
16:48 <rld> <@riker> EPI: wand of sleep/death are merged.  now, if you zap one with above +3 luck (i.e. something+noncursed luckstone) you get a death ray 1/ (rnz(luck) of the time
16:48 <FIQ> for instance, !lg uses this
16:48 <rld> <@riker> if a monster zaps it, you get death if your luck is under 12 otherwise sleep
16:49 <FIQ> that isn'
16:49 <FIQ> t symmetric
16:49 <rld> <@riker> shush up fiq
16:49 <aosdict> hothraxxa: heh, this can now happen in xnethack, though only on levels 15 and below
16:49 <FIQ> demon is a great roguelike
16:49 <FIQ> it has SYMMETRY
16:49 <aosdict> and fire explosions don't burn *away* armor
16:49 <rld> <@riker> S y M M e t R y
16:49 <hothraxxa> in gh you can expect this shit at dlvl 4
16:49 <FIQ> dlvl4? try dlvl1
16:50 <FIQ> door fireballs
16:50 <FIQ> fun stuff
16:50 <aosdict> yeah was about to say
16:50 <hothraxxa> i've never had the pleasure before dlvl 4
16:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:15418
16:59 <K2> hi
16:59 <Beholder> Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought
17:07 <hothraxxa> hello hothraxxa. welcome to my double bones
17:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:15879
17:07 * hothraxxa scoots back upstairs
17:08 <aosdict> hello. my name is hothraxxa. you killed my earlier incarnation. prepare to die.
17:08 <hothraxxa> yeah, but not right now. i have to pee
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17:19 <raisse> wow, the server and I share a birthday
17:19 <raisse> (not the year obviously, but the date)
17:19 <[Demo]> wait when is hdf bday?
17:19 <raisse> 25 February
17:19 <[Demo]> ok
17:20 <[Demo]> today is pokemon bday
17:20 <raisse> see the topc
17:20 <[Demo]> cant
17:20 <[Demo]> bot
17:20 <raisse> !topic
17:20 <[Demo]> im typing in discord
17:20 <raisse> can't you type /topic?
17:20 <raisse> ah right
17:21 <[Demo]> my bot is minimalistic and by that i mean featureless
17:21 <raisse> at least you're not so obnoxious as the other people typign in discord who have sort of double usernames
17:21 <raisse> [23:20] *** The channel topic is "Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org or nethack@eu.hardfought.org ¤ 2/25/2018 - NetHack server one year anniversay".
17:21 <raisse> [Demo]: ^
17:22 <[Demo]> oh well im late to the party
17:22 <raisse> I must admit that I'm (exactly) 59 years older than the server
17:23 <K2> happy birthday raisse ;)
17:23 <raisse> thanks!
17:24 <raisse> nobody came (they were all afflicted with deadlines and I had a streaming cold so we postponed the celebration to March 25) but I had a lot of fun anyway
17:24 <isha> oh, happy birthday!
17:24 <[Demo]> wow that sucks
17:24 <raisse> it was Sunday
17:25 <raisse> spouse gave me flowers and an art book I wanted, and today a present from my twin daughters was delivered (replica historical glass decanter and glasses)
17:25 <[Demo]> oh that sounds nice
17:25 <raisse> and we went out for Thai food which unclogged my nose (and was delicious)
17:26 <raisse> couldn't go to church to sing, no voice because of the cold, but I got a card from the choir
17:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) was given the Gauntlets of Spell Power, on T:16383
17:27 <raisse> turning 60 is kind of weird
17:27 <raisse> feel like I should feel older :-)
17:27 <K2> need more time for it to sink in
17:28 <raisse> yes, probably until I'm 70 :-)
17:28 <K2> i didnt feel like i was in my 40's until about 41.5
17:28 <K2> heh
17:28 <raisse> 40 was liberating for me, I felt like I didn't need to do anything because *someone else* wanted it, I could finally do what *I* wanted
17:28 <K2> :)
17:28 <K2> now i'm closer to 50...
17:29 <raisse> oh 50 is fun
17:29 <K2> i hope so
17:29 <K2> 46 has been alright so far
17:29 <[Demo]> that sounds scary
17:31 <raisse> are you frightfully young? 
17:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] Jonadab (jonadab) (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 29011 points, T:1942, killed by a giant mimic
17:31 <[Demo]> yeah
17:31 <raisse> time will cure that
17:47 <K2> hah
17:47 <K2> time is the fire in which we all burn...
17:52 <jonadab> Alright, Dr. Sorin.
17:52 <jonadab> *Soran
17:52 <jonadab> (Had to look up the spelling.)
17:52 <jonadab> ^ confirmed: jonadab not a _true_ Star Trek fan.
17:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:38348
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17:58 <K2> @riker just merged your pull request to beholder
17:58 <K2> great job
17:58 <K2> now lets go live with it
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18:00 <K2> !ping
18:00 <Beholder> K2: Pong! 
18:00 <K2> !role slex
18:00 <Beholder> K2: goff
18:00 <K2> !role slex
18:00 <Beholder> K2: bully
18:00 <K2> !role slex
18:00 <Beholder> K2: yeoman
18:00 <K2> b to y
18:00 <K2> good spread heh
18:00 <K2> !role dnh
18:00 <Beholder> K2: convict
18:00 <K2> heh
18:01 <K2> !role un
18:01 <Beholder> K2: barbarian
18:01 <K2> !role un
18:01 <Beholder> K2: ranger
18:01 <K2> !role un
18:01 <Beholder> K2: tourist
18:01 <K2> !role un
18:01 <Beholder> K2: rogue
18:01 <K2> !role un
18:01 <Beholder> K2: wizard
18:01 <K2> !role un
18:01 <Beholder> K2: priest
18:01 <K2> !role un
18:01 <Beholder> K2: healer
18:01 <K2> !role un
18:01 <Beholder> K2: convict
18:01 <K2> wow
18:01 <K2> ok 
18:01 <aosdict> !race slex
18:01 <Beholder> aosdict: polyinitor
18:01 <K2> !race slex
18:01 <Beholder> K2: inka
18:02 <K2> !race amy's weird thing
18:02 <Beholder> K2: No variant amy's on server.
18:02 <K2> !race 'amy's weird thing'
18:02 <Beholder> K2: No variant 'amy's on server.
18:02 <K2> hmm hah
18:02 <aosdict> Not true. We know of one variant amy on the server.
18:02 <K2> !commands
18:02 <Beholder> K2: available commands are !help !ping !time !pom !hello !booze !beer !potion !tea !coffee !whiskey !vodka !rum !tequila !scotch !goat !lotg !d(1-1000) !(1-50)d(1-1000) !8ball !rng !role !race !variant !tell !source !lastgame !lastasc !asc !streak !rcedit !scores !sb !setmintc !whereis !players !who !commands
18:03 <K2> well
18:03 <K2> this will make amy happy
18:03 <K2> and dnethack got some love too
18:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:18210
18:07 <K2> so bard was renamed to what in dnethack?
18:10 <[Demo]> troubadour
18:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:18829
18:29 <Tangles> beholder does not parse quoted strings
18:30 <K2> oops. i ate a giant rat as a scurrier
18:30 <K2> You cannibal!  You will regret this!  You finish eating the giant rat corpse.
18:31 <K2> so i guess any r's are right out
18:31 <K2> Tangles: yeah i keep forgetting that
18:33 <[Demo]> rats!
18:35 <FIQ> !race amy
18:35 <Beholder> FIQ: No variant amy on server.
18:35 <[Demo]> !whereis demobot
18:35 <Beholder> [Demo]: [hdf-us] DemoBot [nh]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:30800 The Dungeons of Doom level: 3
18:35 <[Demo]> uh
18:35 <[Demo]> hmm
18:36 <[Demo]> fuck me, i dont care, do what u want demobot, be stuck if u wanna be stuck
18:36 <[Demo]> i forgot where demobot lives
18:36 <[Demo]> and i have no idea in which tmux session
18:39 <FIQ> looks like it misidentified magic lamps somehow?
18:40 <[Demo]> if it wants to rub its lamp repeatedly im not gonna judge
18:43 <Tangles> I looked in on demobot yesterday.  I don't think that turncount is right, unless it overflowed.
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18:47 <[Demo]> !whereis demobot
18:47 <Beholder> [Demo]: [hdf-us] DemoBot [nh]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:30800 The Dungeons of Doom level: 3
18:47 <[Demo]> it isnt moving
18:48 <[Demo]> i think it is protesting
18:53 <aosdict> jonadab: ooh you have an alignment record proposal? didn't know that
18:54 <K2> [Demo] want me to kill demobot?
18:54 <rld> <@riker> k2: ty
18:54 <rld> <@riker> !role slex
18:54 <Beholder> @riker: transvestite
18:54 <rld> <@riker> !race slex
18:54 <Beholder> @riker: rohirrim
18:54 <rld> <@riker> cool
18:55 <rld> <@riker> tangles: isn't it supposed to take like 192 days to overflow the turncount, even at bot speeds
18:55 <rld> <@riker> !whereis demobot
18:55 <Beholder> @riker: [hdf-us] DemoBot [nh]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:30800 The Dungeons of Doom level: 3
18:55 <rld> <@riker> ^ that's a lie
18:56 <rld> <@riker> !race amy's weird thing
18:56 <Beholder> @riker: No variant amy's on server.
18:56 <rld> <@riker> !race "amy's weird thing"
18:56 <Beholder> @riker: No variant "amy's on server.
18:56 <rld> <@riker> damnit
18:57 <K2> Tangles says that no workie
18:57 <rld> <@riker> yah
18:57 <K2> but thank you very much for putting all of those roles/races together
18:57 <rld> <@riker> k2: mind changing the spcaes to underscores
18:57 <rld> <@riker> >_>
18:57 <K2> sure
18:57 <rld> <@riker> I really want that to wokr
18:57 <rld> <@riker> amy's-weird-thing actually would be better I guess
18:57 <K2> mmmk
19:04 <rld> <@riker> ty k2
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19:06 <aosdict> jonadab: any other old proposals lurking around that I should know about?
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19:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof spellbook of identify", on T:39177
19:09 <rld> <@riker> !whereis Grasshopper
19:09 <Beholder> @riker: [hdf-us] Grasshopper [nd]: No details available
19:09 <rld> <@riker> ^ ironic that vanilla is the one without livelogs
19:12 <K2> you mean whereis
19:12 <rld> <@riker> er thanks
19:12 <K2> dev has livelogs (our version anyways)
19:12 <rld> <@riker> *that part of the livelogs
19:12 <rld> <@riker> (or is that not part of it)
19:13 <K2> they are separate afaik
19:13 <rld> <@riker> hm ok
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19:14 <K2> !role amy's-weird-thing
19:14 <Beholder> K2: rocker
19:15 <aosdict> heh
19:16 <K2> !race amy's-weird-thing
19:16 <Beholder> K2: inka
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19:23 <Tangles> nice :)
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19:23 <Tangles> I'm kind of surprised the apostrophe works tbh
19:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] k2 (Arc Scu Mal Neu), 12171 points, T:1753, killed by a giant spider
19:24 <K2> heh
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19:49 <FIQ> !role adeon
19:49 <Beholder> FIQ: No variant adeon on server.
19:49 <FIQ> !role DemoBot
19:49 <Beholder> FIQ: No variant DemoBot on server.
19:50 <FIQ> !who
19:50 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-us] naeroon [fh] DemoBot [nh] Grasshopper [nd] 
19:50 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-eu] No current players
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21:39 <aosdict> jonadab: oh my gosh this demilichens anthem is terrific
21:39 <aosdict> that should go on the fan works page of the wiki, I don't think anyone's created music for nethack yet
21:56 <jonadab> aosdict: You realize it's just spoof lyrics, with the sheet music for an old Handle piece, right?
21:56 <jonadab> (I mean, the lyrics are written so that they at least fit the meter of the piece.  But.)
22:03 <aosdict> Eh, not going to be picky.
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22:04 <jonadab> When I joined teamsplat, instead of writing an anthem, I just picked out and linked to an existing one.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGbqGkS1c2w
22:10 <aosdict> Back to the important stuff - besides this alignment record proposal I found, do you have any other old proposals floating around?
22:13 <jonadab> Dunno.  What alignment record proposal?
22:14 <aosdict> http://jonadab.jumpingcrab.com/nethack-stuff/nethack-alignment-record-proposal-0.3.html
22:15 <aosdict> Oh hey, you had the godly favor idea years before I did!
22:15 <jonadab> Ah, I'd forgotten I wrote that up in that level of detail.
22:15 <jonadab> Man, that's _old_.
22:16 <aosdict> So this means if you did write other proposals, you have likely forgotten about them?
22:16 <jonadab> Possibly.
22:16 <jonadab> I mean, there was the component alchemy one.  That's on reddit someplace.
22:16 <jonadab> But it is probably needlessly complex, and I'm not sure it really fixes much.
22:17 <jonadab> There's the Gehennom Fun Patch, I suppose.
22:17 * jonadab shudders.
22:17 <jonadab> http://jonadab.jumpingcrab.com/nethack-stuff/gfp/GeFuPa.txt
22:18 <aosdict> This? https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/5e1taf/request_for_comments_solventsolute_alchemy/
22:18 <jonadab> Oh, yes, that.
22:19 <aosdict> I guess that stuff I hear about reddit's search being terrible is true, since it completely failed to find it (but duckduckgo could)
22:21 <jonadab> reddit is terrible in general, I do not understand why the roguelike community prefers it over usenet.
22:25 <aosdict> Usenet is rather obviously a dying platform, and accessing it traditionally has a considerably higher barrier to entry for newcomers than reddit or Discord or even IRC.
22:26 <jonadab> Eh, Google Groups has a lower barrier to entry than reddit, IMO.
22:26 <jonadab> For commenting, anyway.  Maybe not for just reading.
22:26 <jonadab> The barrier to entry for Discord is obscene.  It took me _months_ to get a working solution.
22:27 <jonadab> It's _supposed_ to work in web browsers, but the list of web browsers it doesn't work in is long and includes all the major ones except maybe IE.
22:27 <aosdict> Well, then you're asking "why does the roguelike community prefer it over a well-known mailing list platform", which isn't the same.
22:27 <jonadab> Chrome, Opera, Firefox, Seamonkey, it doesn't work in any of them.
22:27 <jonadab> Mailing list platform?
22:27 <jonadab> Google groups is usenet.
22:28 <jonadab> Well, I mean, ok, it also has some non-usenet groups.  But ignore those.
22:28 <aosdict> Huh? It definitely works in Firefox (because I pop in on the web interface sometimes), and I know people who use it in Chrome.
22:28 <aosdict> s/It/Discord
22:28 <jonadab> Hmm.  Didn't work for me.
22:28 <jonadab> At all.
22:28 <aosdict> I mean, if you disable second-party javascript, it probably won't work.
22:28 <jonadab> I eventually got it to work with Bitlebee.  Only way I've found so far.
22:28 <jonadab> The only browser I disable Javascript in is Seamonkey.
22:28 <jonadab> The rest all have it enabled.
22:29 <jonadab> I'm betting the real problem is it uses some horrid plugin I haven't installed.  Flash, like as not.
22:29 <aosdict> I definitely don't have Flash or Java or any other plugins installed.
22:30 <aosdict> Well, I have an auto-installed video codec plugin, evidently.
22:30 <aosdict> Is your copy of it up to date?
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23:44 <aosdict> jonadab: why do you consistently spell it "diety" and not "deity"?