00:04 -!- theRaisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 893 points, T:3130, killed by a gnome 00:16 [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed the eye of the aethiopica", on T:41198 00:17 [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:41199 00:41 -!- earenndil has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.3+deb1 - http://znc.in] 00:44 -!- earenndil has joined #hardfought 00:49 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 01:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:05 [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Mon Hum Mal Law), 58661 points, T:9985, killed by a giant zombie 02:30 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 02:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 02:33 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:36 -!- greqrg_ has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 02:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:57 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Quit: Derezzed] 03:12 -!- _catalyst_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 97 points, T:177, killed by a fox 03:29 -!- _catalyst_ has joined #hardfought 03:36 -!- u0_a126 has joined #hardfought 03:37 -!- u0_a126 has quit [Client Quit] 03:40 -!- _catalys1_ has joined #hardfought 03:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 323 points, T:967, killed by a small mimic 03:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Bin Inc Mal Non), 171 points, T:847, killed by a water moccasin 03:50 -!- _catalys1_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Bin Hum Mal Non), 100 points, T:595, killed by a small mimic 03:56 -!- _catalyst_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:58 -!- _catalyst_ has joined #hardfought 04:07 -!- _itzcatalyst_ has joined #hardfought 04:07 -!- _itzcatalyst_ has quit [Client Quit] 04:08 -!- _itzcatalyst_ has joined #hardfought 04:08 -!- _itzcatalyst_ has quit [Client Quit] 04:09 -!- _itzcatalyst_ has joined #hardfought 04:10 -!- _catalyst_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:13 -!- _itzcatalyst_ has quit [Client Quit] 04:14 -!- _itzcatalyst_ has joined #hardfought 04:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Rune (Bin Inc Mal Non), 111 points, T:1540, killed by a jackal 04:17 -!- _catalyst_ has joined #hardfought 04:17 -!- _itzcatalyst_ has quit [Client Quit] 04:17 -!- _itzcatalyst_ has joined #hardfought 04:19 -!- _itzcatalyst_ has quit [Client Quit] 04:19 -!- _itzcatalyst_ has joined #hardfought 04:23 <_catalyst_> Sorry, setting up irc scripts on my phone for when I'm on the go. =x 04:24 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 04:24 -!- _itzcatalyst_ has quit [Quit: Done testing scripts] 04:27 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:30 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 04:34 -!- NCommander has quit [*.net *.split] 04:36 -!- NCommander has joined #hardfought 04:52 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:22 @4k?the dark one 06:22 No such monster. 06:22 @4k?dark one 06:22 Dark One (@) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 0 | Spd: 12 | Res: petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 80 | Generates: unique | AC: 0 | Attacks: 1d6 weapon physical, 1d6 weapon physical, 1d4 claw amulet steal, 0d0 cast spell | Alignment: -10 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible 06:24 K2: pushed a minor update to Fourk. Only relevant for chaotic players with pets. 06:27 Thanks jonadab! :) 06:38 hmm Beholder's livelog thread for fourk has stopped. 06:39 it expects a bones_rank field if the bones_killed field exists.... I can fix it to test for that and use bones_role instead. 06:55 !tell K2 pushed a beholder fix - fourk livelogging. 06:55 Will do, Tangles! 06:58 -!- bug_sniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:59 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:59 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 07:08 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:39 -!- Schrubber1 has joined #hardfought 07:40 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha), 24117 points, T:25617, killed by a gryphon 07:40 ow 07:41 -!- Schrubber has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:47 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha), 1389 points, T:264, killed by a dwarf king 08:36 -!- captain42 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:38 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha), 9366 points, T:2200, killed by a dwarf 09:20 -!- captain42 has joined #hardfought 09:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] Lol (Bar Hum Mal Cha) was given Cleaver, on T:6566 09:32 morning 09:32 K2: Message from Tangles at 2018-02-25 06:55 EST: pushed a beholder fix - fourk livelogging. 09:32 fourk livelogging! 09:35 NetHack Fourk updated (us and eu) 09:40 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 09:40 -!- moon.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org or nethack@eu.hardfought.org ¤ our channel is now linked to #nethack-hardfought on Roguelikes Discord 09:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 09:42 beholder is all up to date now also 09:42 4k livelogs wooo 09:43 !ping 09:43 K2: Pong! 09:43 !lastgame 09:43 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/nhfourk/dumps/2018-02-25%2013%3A38%3A22%2C%20Tangles-Wiz-Syl-Fem-Cha%2C%20died.txt 09:43 K2: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/nhdev/dumplog/1519565477.nhdev.txt 09:45 argh and now I'm starving and Anhur is displeased 09:45 "I can't eat Magicbane, Anhur!" 09:45 yeah 09:46 and I had a tripe ration but used that to re-tame my cat that I'd left one level down to sac uninterrupted 09:46 The voice of Anhur booms out: "Then hou shalt feast on Magicbane!" e - a ring of polymorph control. 09:46 thou* 09:47 I ate Frost Brand once 09:47 it was delicious 09:47 was it cool and minty? 09:47 didn't say 09:47 it didn't give me cold resistance, which I sort of expected 09:47 lol 09:47 or more sweet, like ice cream 09:47 was it cool and minty 09:47 (didn't eat it on purpose, I was standing on my stash) 09:48 relevant https://nhqdb.alt.org/?699 09:48 new poll - if you're a xorn and you ate every artifact, what would they taste like? 09:49 hmm the qdb looks like there might be some vote brigading going on in favor of slex 09:50 mainly because I'm skeptical that things like " e - a Marleen's block-heeled combat boot orange named Durandil (laid by you)." would get more votes under normal circumstances than other quotes in the most recent 10 09:53 [hdf-us] [fh] Naeroon (naeroon) (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the valkyrie of Naeroon, the former Skirmisher, on T:6157 10:00 <@Tone> YASI: Sword-eater role. Can eat swords 10:00 <@Tone> or sword swallower, I guess 10:03 <@Tone> K2 Maybe that whole Eye of the Tapioca thing started because someone tasted it 😛 10:03 hah 10:03 well raisse is the one who coined it 10:08 I did? 10:08 I think I got it from usenet about a century ago 10:08 in the previous century anyway 10:10 ah so it is not as recent as https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2183 10:11 (which remains one of my favorites) 10:13 -!- K2 changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org or nethack@eu.hardfought.org ¤ 2/25/2018 - NetHack server one year anniversay 10:17 <@riker> !lastgame kritixilithos 10:17 @riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/kritixilithos/nhdev/dumplog/1518550647.nhdev.txt 10:17 @riker: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/kritixilithos/nhdev/dumplog/1519562852.nhdev.txt 10:18 <@riker> huh, on dlvl 8? seems a tad early 10:19 polytrap? 10:19 <@riker> possibly 10:19 <@riker> dlvl 8 s eems a tad early too but maybe nto 10:20 that's the first level that you can get polytraps... 10:20 <@kritixilithos> I made a mistake in trying to jump outside the jumping range 10:21 <@kritixilithos> but at least I was resistant to its breath attack 10:22 <@riker> elenmirie: oh is it? I didn't know that 10:22 <@riker> thought it was 10 10:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Lol (Bar Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:10183 10:24 <@kritixilithos> I've heard of deucehack, how does the multiplayer part of it work? 10:24 <@riker> no servers run it anymore iirc 10:24 <@kritixilithos> unfortunate 10:24 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:25 <@riker> ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 10:25 <@riker> not sure how many people would play a 2 player acehack, maybe more if you could get that working for vanilla/fh 10:25 <@riker> (cc fiq :)) 10:25 @kritixilithos Jumping outside the jumping range really _ought_ to not waste a turn. That, and the jumping range available to you should be made clear before you jump. 10:26 <@Tone> That was definitely poly of some sort 10:26 <@Tone> That Dragon was way out of the level's difficulty range 10:28 yes, definitely... I think the only way you could get that are polytrap, shapeshifter, or bones 10:28 <@kritixilithos> aosdict: I very much agree with you on that, it isn't consistent with a fail in teleportation, the least it should do is to put the player at the end of the jumping range if they jumped further 10:28 or I guess if you polymorphed a newt or something 10:29 <@riker> might have been bones 10:29 <@riker> since it was right there next to the upstair and I didn't see a ^ 10:29 <@kritixilithos> riker: but do you know how the multiplayer worked? as in, do the players have to wait for each other to finish? 10:29 <@kritixilithos> riker: I disabled bones 10:29 <@riker> no clue 10:30 <@riker> and huh why? 10:30 <@riker> bones is fun :D 10:30 <@kritixilithos> I found it some ~20 tiles from the staircase, then I ran back while it followed me 10:30 <@riker> ah 10:30 multiplayer nethack is not really nethack 10:30 <@riker> then it could have been polytrap yeah 10:31 <@kritixilithos> oh6: it would probably be a fork, if that's what you mean 10:31 <@Tone> Should be PvP, everyone trying to get the amulet for their god first 10:32 * LarienTelrunya has written a fanfic about a hypothetical 30-player multiplayer nethack where the one who manages to do things first will get trophies, i.e. there is only one luckstone/sokoprize/etc. and the one who comes first will get it :) 10:32 there was a sort-of multiplayer nethack waay back, called Myth - it looked like nethack but it was a real-time game so it played utterly differently 10:33 apparently there was a cheat in deucehack where you got one player and three wizards or whatever role you were playing to start the game, and then the other three would all disconnect so the real player could slaughter them and take their starting inventories. 10:34 <@Tone> That would be some nice loot 10:34 <@kritixilithos> I take it deucehack is supposed to be coop? 10:35 <@Tone> There's also a lot of role imbalance in nethack if that's something people care about in multiplayer 10:35 <@kritixilithos> if it is, then slaughter of teammates should probably invoke your deity's wrath, including luck/alignment penalties 10:52 [hdf-us] [fh] Naeroon (naeroon) (Val Dwa Fem Law) heard a rumor from The Oracle, on T:8052 10:58 @kritixilithos I've proposed that the Bard/Troubador role should start out leading a "party" of 3 other tame player monsters from other roles (in this case, they'd be pets so it would be quite difficult to kill them intentionally) 10:58 Unrelated YANI: treasure zoos try very hard to stock themselves specifically with M1_ANIMAL monsters. 11:21 [hdf-us] [nd] dotdotdot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:345 11:27 jonadab: why does Nethack Fourk say "welcome back to Nethack!" and not "welcome back to Nethack Fourk!"? 11:27 <@riker> since it's obviously vanilla in disguise 11:28 but it's not! it even plans to add FIQhack's player-monster symmetry and something completely terrible called achievement unlockables! 11:28 plus it has the wand destruction patch :P 11:28 <@riker> I was being sarcastic 11:33 !tell jonadab UGH. Can you *please* fix fourk's travelto command? Screenshot: https://abload.de/img/unbelievablycrappytrat7q9h.png - I try to travel to the downstair, and it stops at every. single. turn. because somehow it considers bends in the corridor to be something worth stopping for. 11:33 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 11:39 -!- _catalyst_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:42 !tell jonadab err, is it normal that if I'm invisible, the shopkeeper won't let me out of his shop even though I'm not holding unpaid items (I teleported in)? 11:42 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 11:42 <@riker> yes 11:42 <@riker> that's quite normal 11:42 ugh 11:42 <@riker> it's in vanilla/dnh too :/ 11:42 <@kritixilithos> even in vanilla 11:42 really??? in slex the shopkeeper will let me out normally, and I didn't specifically make it so, meaning it must be a slashem change 11:43 <@riker> yep 11:43 <@riker> I think slashem shks get see invis 11:43 apparently vanilla shopkeepers don't see invisible 11:43 <@kritixilithos> do shopkeepers in slex have "see invisible"? 11:43 invisible = I'm going to stand here and block the door 11:43 great minds think alike :-) 11:43 @le?shopkeeper 11:43 shopkeeper (@) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 29 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 50 | Generates: special | AC: -6 | Attacks: 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, flies, nopoly, infravisible 11:43 oh great, so I have to read-test scrolls now and hope to get identify 11:44 <@riker> raisse: and apparently my awful one got lucky this time 11:46 !tell jonadab "Where do you want to center the cloud?" when reading a scroll of scare monster appears only after I already placed the cloud, which means there's no clue for the unspoiled player that you have to select a location now. 11:46 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 11:46 [hdf-us] [fh] . (rikersan) (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 1230 points, T:25, killed by kicking a wall 11:46 (I hope jonadab won't ignore this Amystorm like he did with the last one...) 11:46 <@riker> cc @kritixilithos :) 11:46 the larger the Amystorm, the more likely it is to get ignored 11:46 <@riker> cloud and scare mosnter? o_O 11:46 <@riker> do you mean stinking cloud 11:46 !tell jonadab I meant stinking cloud of course 11:46 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 11:47 <@riker> :) 11:47 whew, second to last scroll was tele 11:47 I wonder what an amystorm about xnethack would look like 11:48 put it on a server and you'll find out :D 11:48 [hdf-us] [nd] dotdotdot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) averted death, on T:2339 11:49 sort of hoping it can participate in junethack 11:49 if it does, you'll definitely get an amystorm :P 11:49 which means I should probably officially release it at least a month or two beforehand 11:49 the hardest part may be convincing K2 to use the green color in the Beholder tag 11:50 <[Demo]1> hey im gonna be a big cock about any variant ever just a warning 11:50 <[Demo]1> unless it is super easy 11:50 <[Demo]1> but if it kills me, im gonna kill it 11:50 <@riker> and unless its' ndnh 11:50 <[Demo]1> no fuck that shit that shits gay as fuck 11:50 <[Demo]1> but like i still fuck with it 11:50 <@riker> LOL 11:51 <@riker> pst, aosdict: make the amulet generated on dlvl1 upstair in xnethack IFF name==Demo 11:51 ha 11:51 <[Demo]1> then id still die 11:51 <[Demo]1> ok so i was playing fnethack 11:51 <[Demo]1> which is apparently pretty obscure 11:51 <[Demo]1> but like when u pick up the amulet, it takes u to the astral plane 11:52 <@riker> and the right high altar 11:52 <[Demo]1> nah 11:52 <[Demo]1> but u get rodney up there 11:52 <@riker> lol 11:52 <[Demo]1> and it sucks 11:52 aosdict your variant is out soon? 11:52 it's an unfortunate name, not very well google searchable 11:52 [Demo]1: Such a fleecy Lynn! ♥ 11:52 this one? https://github.com/copperwater/xNetHack 11:53 yep 11:53 <[Demo]1> and u cant zap him with a wand of death cause its removed 11:53 <@riker> larien: what where did lynn come from 11:53 i will give xnethack a green tag lol 11:53 <[Demo]1> aosdict ur about to get level raided 11:53 riker: Lynn is the creator of fnethack 11:53 bhaak: I mean, the name doesn't seem to be very popular, but the only other suggestion is "aosdicthack" or "aoshack" which... no. 11:53 <[Demo]1> oh wait u didnt make any more levels yet for amy to steal? 11:53 <[Demo]1> dammit 11:54 <[Demo]1> slex needs more silly levels cause it makes it even more of a deadly experience 11:54 <@riker> oh I see I didn't see the fnhetack mention 11:54 aosdict: my variant is also not called "bnethack" :-) 11:54 <@riker> nah that's bhaack 11:55 <@riker> (on a side note if yu make a variant please name it htat) 11:55 riker: me? :) 11:55 <[Demo]1> whats unnethack? 11:55 bhaak... already has a variant 11:55 <[Demo]1> go bhaak to unnethack 11:55 call it CarlHack 11:55 even two if you count 3.6.1 :-D 11:56 <@riker> oh, TIL they made un 11:56 <@riker> amy: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/r-z/shoes-haunted 11:56 <@riker> :D 11:56 bhaak: the devteam needs to add Tangles' livelogging work officially to 3.6.1 11:56 schwebäuglerhack :D 11:56 just saying 11:57 <@riker> what does that mean >.> 11:57 there's a pull request for it 11:57 ^^ that 11:57 been sitting there for almost a year 11:57 and apparently the devteam at large is newly aware that github in fact exists 11:57 <@riker> pigbawlerhack? 11:57 riker: hahaha, is that d20 site one of those uberfeminism communities where the player's character is assumed to be female? :D 11:58 LarienTelrunya: right. actually 3 if you count unnethack, nethack-dev and nethack-de :-D 11:58 <@riker> floatingeye? 11:58 yes 11:58 riker: yeah, "Schwebäugler" is a possible German translation of floating eye 11:58 <@riker> huh 11:58 but the literal translation would be "schwebendes Auge" 11:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] Lol (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:16294 11:59 <@riker> my limited german says "floating ball", google translate says pigbawler when I put in spaces, rumor.true in bhaak's german nethack says floating eye :P 12:00 aosdict: somewhat. apparently, lots of github mails went to /dev/null. coppro did set it up originally and when xe discharged, some settings were off 12:02 wonder where it gets the "pig" from. also the "bawler". I mean, that's a synonym of "shrieker", so both arefar away from float and eye 12:02 <@riker> I think I put the splash after shew 12:03 <@riker> lol, the full rumor pasted in gives "blind? catch a hoverbug!" 12:03 aosdict: let me know when you want to do a live server beta test of xnethack. I can compile and setup a port for it, and hide the access to it via dgl until you're ready to go public 12:04 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 12:05 TIL, Äugler is also the name for rabbit in fables (German has historically unique names for the animal characters in fables) 12:05 K2: cool. the only thing on my original to-do list is to modify the HP regen formula. Though I might just steal a variant of fiqhack's. 12:06 xlog and livelog should be the same as nethack-dev, except I haven't added xlog fields for petless/artifactless conduct. I should do that. 12:06 so this is a variant off of dev 12:06 awesome 12:07 started out as a variant of 3.6.0, then paxed started adding features and I was like "wait, I want these too!" 12:07 :D 12:07 this would be the first variant based off of 3.6.1 12:08 that we know of, yes 12:09 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 12:09 i had a fork based on dcss dev. they would do things like change the capitalization on all structs to be more correcter 12:09 yes, i could pull it, but then anything i'd made had to be hunted down and made compatible with the vogue code style 12:13 !tell jonadab ugh... seriously??? my shuriken skill allows me to appraise the shuriken's enchantment... BUT IT ONLY APPRAISES THE ONE I THREW AND NOT THE REMAINING STACK AND THEY DON'T STACK ANYMORE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD 12:13 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 12:13 I feel like that probably wasn't _intentional_... 12:15 I wish jonadab updated fourk more regularly (say it with me now: "katana skill proposed 20 months ago and still not in the game and will probably not be 'ready' for this year's Junethack either, meaning at least 6 more months of delay") 12:16 Do you *want* katana skill? 12:16 I thought it was an unpopular idea and that is why he held off on it. 12:16 <[Demo]1> gotta master the blade 12:17 not really, but samurai have been bad at what real-life samurai are good at for 20 months in nethack fourk and if jonadab can't be bothered to fix it "correctly", I wish he'd at least fix it somehow at all (twoweaponing still only goes up to skilled on the server) 12:17 Fourk was updated earlier today LarienTelrunya 12:17 K2: oh really? let's see if I can find the branch on github 12:18 of course master is not the current branch :P 12:18 of course bleeding-edge isn't either 12:19 wtf, 4a1ee38a isn't the top commit in *any* of fourk's branches... what am I missing here? 12:19 huh, it's a commit from Dec 22 12:19 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:19 Unix NetHack Fourk version 4.3.0.4 (4a1ee38a) - last build Fri Dec 22 17:02:46 │d - 17 blessed shuriken {17} │ │2017. 12:20 -!- oh6 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:20 <[Demo]1> i want to host myself a gameboy emulator web page that saves my saves locally and lets me choose from games stored on the server and now im trying to do that but im dying 12:20 On branch master 12:20 Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/master'. 12:20 K2: does that mean I'm on a version from Dec 22? I have no clue how to determine which of the github changes on Fourk is or isn't on the server 12:20 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 12:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6] by ChanServ 12:21 [hdf-us] [nd] dotdotdot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 3 arrows on an altar, on T:4041 12:21 Unix NetHack Fourk version 4.3.0.4 (62c0c361) - last build Sun Feb 25 12:21 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 12:21 -!- _catalyst_ has joined #hardfought 12:21 what server are you playing on? 12:21 LarienTelrunya? 12:21 K2: hdf-eu 12:22 <[Demo]1> holy fucking shit, first try 12:22 huh i thought i had updated fourk on eu as well 12:22 one sec 12:22 should I save my game? 12:23 sure 12:23 yeah its dec 22nd on hdf-eu 12:23 i think i know why, brb 12:42 <@riker> amy how angry are you at 4k right now lol 12:43 <[Demo]1> I'm angry at slex cause it is silly and sloppy grr grr grr it killed me 12:49 riker: Check the recent commits to slex a few days from now, and see if any 4k-specific scroll labels were added. 12:52 for some reason the build script on hdf-eu is skipping a fair amount of steps 12:52 dont know why exactly 12:52 scripts are identical between us and eu server (except for differing paths, which are correct) 12:52 thsi is all in regards to Fourk 12:54 and of course sprunge is down 12:54 hmm 12:54 i thought sprunge saved everything ever made with it? 12:55 -!- _catalyst_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:56 yeah site is messed up 13:00 riker: not too badly, I didn't die yet :P 13:01 but now that fourk char is on hold since I'll want to wait until the recent version goes live... so I guess I'll bridge the time by playing a throwaway character in slex! yaaaaaay! :D 13:02 aosdict: scroll labels unfortunately break saves, but pager.c often adds fourk-specific messages ;) 13:03 let's see how long a chaotic female specialist ironman problematic aggravator venturean DQ Slime can survive 13:06 LarienTelrunya: The shopkeeper vs invisible player thing is true in every variant including Slash'EM. 13:06 jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-02-25 11:33 EST: UGH. Can you *please* fix fourk's travelto command? Screenshot: https://abload.de/img/unbelievablycrappytrat7q9h.png - I try to travel to the downstair, and it stops at every. single. turn. because somehow it considers bends in the corridor to be something worth stopping for. 13:06 jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-02-25 11:42 EST: err, is it normal that if I'm invisible, the shopkeeper won't let me out of his shop even though I'm not holding unpaid items (I teleported in)? 13:06 jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-02-25 11:46 EST: "Where do you want to center the cloud?" when reading a scroll of scare monster appears only after I already placed the cloud, which means there's no clue for the unspoiled player that you have to select a location now. 13:06 jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-02-25 11:46 EST: I meant stinking cloud of course 13:06 jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-02-25 12:13 EST: ugh... seriously??? my shuriken skill allows me to appraise the shuriken's enchantment... BUT IT ONLY APPRAISES THE ONE I THREW AND NOT THE REMAINING STACK AND THEY DON'T STACK ANYMORE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD 13:07 jonadab: what??? I played slex earlier today, and my char is invisible, yet the shopkeeper let me out of his shop no problem 13:07 LarienTelrunya: There's an option that gives you _some_ control over what travel stops for. I forget what it's called. 13:07 It is, granted, not perfect. 13:08 LarienTelrunya: Ah, the invisible prompt thing is actually an upstream NH4 bug, and not in any way specific to stinking cloud. It can happen any time there's a question dialog, at certain very specific terminal widths. We have no idea what causes it. 13:08 140x40 is mine 13:08 But it's a known bug, so there's that. 13:09 You can work around it by having your terminal be a different width in columns. 13:09 LarienTelrunya: changing the list of skills breaks save compat, that will not happen on master branch until _after June_, at the very earliest. 13:09 but we don't know the exact number that would fix it? 13:10 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 13:11 LarienTelrunya: Dunno about slex, when I said Slash'EM I meant actual Slash'EM. 13:11 too bad I don't have a regular slashem binary here or I'd wizmode 13:12 oh, I have unnethack on this PC, I can test with that! 13:14 okay, made myself perma-invisible via blessed potion, Aned says "Invisible customers are not welcome!" and blocks my entry, but if I teleport into his shop he lets me out like normal 13:14 I want proof that they allegedly won't let you out in vanilla :P 13:14 Oh, hmm, so they let you out but not in in Un? 13:14 until then, I say fourk (or nh4) specifically changed it :D 13:15 yes, in un it works like I'd expect (read: it works like it does in slex) 13:15 Huh. 13:15 Dunno, I could've sworn they'd also block you in in 3.4.3. 13:16 But I don't have time for wizmode testing today. 13:16 I have to catch up on my IRC hilights, and then it'll be time to leave again. 13:16 well I could swear they don't block you in 3.4.3 13:19 [hdf-us] [fh] Naeroon (naeroon) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 63538 points, T:11023, zombified by an elf zombie, while praying 13:20 -!- [Demo]1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20 -!- [Demo] has joined #hardfought 13:21 [hdf-us] [fh] Naeroon (naeroon) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4230 points, T:248, quit 13:24 LarienTelrunya: you don't have a local copy of 3.4.3 available? 13:24 (I mean, neither do I, but I have never had a reason to.) 13:25 EPI: if invisible customers are not welcome, why don't shopkeepers _attack_ you if you somehow get into their shop while invisible? 13:26 That is a slight inconsistency, yes. "You're not welcome, so I'm going to prevent you from leaving!" 13:27 I also don't understand the reason for this mechanic in the first place. The shopkeeper doesn't have a problem counting what you owe him when you pick up stuff inside the shop, even when invisible. 13:31 aosdict: If you were running a shop, would you want an invisible person leaving? How do you knwo they're not carrying junk out? 13:31 -!- realinari has joined #hardfought 13:31 What I don't understand is why they'll happily chat to you, sell to you, etc., basically remain peaceful while you're in the shop. 13:32 And yeah, clearly they can see you. 13:32 Maybe it's just to give invisibility a downside? 13:32 Dunno. 13:33 #german 13:33 ops 13:33 XD 13:34 is eu.hardfought still up? 13:34 Last I checked, yeah. 13:34 In fact, they were just talking about building a Fourk update on it earlier. 13:36 yes its up 13:36 jonadab: That argument doesn't hold up to the fact that the shopkeeper does indeed charge you for anything you picked up while invisible. 13:36 They are infallible. 13:37 aosdict: Right, they clearly can see you. 13:37 So yeah. 13:37 Dunno. 13:38 How do you feel about it as a downside to permanent invisibility? 13:38 ok that worked 13:38 I mean, it only works until you can controlled teleport at will, so. 13:38 K2: What, the clean build? 13:38 Cool. 13:38 That _usually_ should not be necessary. 13:39 But when there's an unexplained build problem, it's something to try. 13:40 yes 13:40 LarienTelrunya: Fourk is updated on eu now 13:40 jonadab: I think there should probably be some downside to permanent invisibility, yes, but in that case the inconsistencies need to be cleaned up. 13:41 i'm always a bit leary to deviate from normal operation with variants I dont build that often, esp nh4 types 13:41 exception being FIQhack because its updated often, i'm familiar with it 13:41 Well, the downside of doing a clean build is just that it takes a little longer. 13:42 its only a couple extra minutes 13:42 It's actually _more_ reliable than dirty building. 13:42 Though dirty build usually works just fine. 13:42 now, doing a clean build of slex - i can go make a sandwich 13:42 or change the oil on my truck 13:42 Heh. 13:43 All those levels to compile? 13:44 !tell LarienTelrunya you should make an aimake.rules file for building slex with aimake, so people can do a quick dirty build for minor updates. 13:44 Will do, jonadab! 13:44 lots of highlights 13:44 Yeah, I had a lot of hilights today too. 13:45 Finally got through them all. 13:45 Took basically my whole free time for today (not that that's saying much for me on a Sunday). 13:46 FIQ: this is one reason why the name is xnethack and not aosdicthack :P 13:47 LarienTelrunya: the travelto behaviour you explain sounds wrong, can you elaborate? 13:47 ok pizza/star trek time 13:47 bbl 13:47 aosdict: Heh, indeed. 13:48 LarienTelrunya: the stinking cloud thing is actually a channelization bug that FIQHack fixed a while back 13:48 Wait, really? 13:49 aosdict │ the hardest part may be convincing K2 to use the green color in the Beholder tag 13:49 not really a fan of K2 forcing people to adhere to his theme color 13:49 it's not like others complain to him about variant colors not working well with their themes etc 13:53 [hdf-us] [nd] ellipsis (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 300 points, T:1580, killed by a giant bat 13:53 K2: sprunge used to be realible. Until around half a year ago. Use ix.io instead 13:54 (It went down every now and then before as well, but half a year ago it was very rarely *up*) 13:54 FIQ: yeah but then K2 i will give xnethack a green tag lol 13:54 er, that should have been in quotes 13:54 jonadab: the getpos prompts has nothing to do with terminal width 13:55 FIQ: Oh? 13:55 Hmm. 13:55 I thought it happened a LOT more often at certain widths (just barely wide enough for bigterm widths.) 13:55 LarienTelrunya: Shopkeepers do block you both directions, at least in 3.4.3. 13:57 Back in present time 13:57 jonadab: It's even in the todo 13:57 your todo 13:58 of a quote of me typing about teleport prompts while "drunk" (using my phone which I'm awful at typing on) 14:00 Right, the bug is listed there. 14:01 I knew that. 14:01 I was not aware, however, that you'd fixed it. 14:01 I fixed that over a year ago 14:01 Or that it was channelization-related. 14:01 I think I even told you 14:01 lol 14:01 I don't remember the commit anymore :( 14:01 Hmm. 14:01 Obviously. 14:02 I've looked through your git log, looking for getpos, but found nothing relevant. 14:06 It's not 75341f89 is it? 14:07 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 14:07 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 14:08 Ah. 14:08 Might've found it. 14:09 commit 2eea159f6c 14:09 yes 14:09 that 14:09 git says I have that already. 14:10 Wants me to use git commit --allow-empty to cherry pick it. 14:10 Oh, wait. 14:10 I was in FIQHack dir, that's why. 14:14 Oh, I need to get going. 14:14 K2: thanks :) 14:14 LarienTelrunya: Message from jonadab at 2018-02-25 13:44 EST: you should make an aimake.rules file for building slex with aimake, so people can do a quick dirty build for minor updates. 14:15 jonadab: you can push it to nh4 mainline too I guess 14:15 also I don't have a 3.4.3 build on this PC, but I could download one I guess 14:17 FIQ: on that screenshot, if I use travelto, targetting the downstair, it moves me all of one square in that winding corridor. Use it again, moves me one square again. Basically, it's as if it thinks the corners are intersections, and as if it somehow has to stop travelling at (known) intersections. Do you never quicktravel in Fourk? It's really very noticeable because it happens every single time you travel down a non-stra 14:17 Thing is, Fourk has not changed travel. 14:17 Though NH4 did rewrite some related code. 14:17 Can't remember who did that rewrite, might've been coppro. 14:18 Not sure. 14:19 holy shit the shopkeeper really blocks me in vanilla 3.4.3 14:20 it doesn't happen in fiqhack, and I highly doubt it happens in NH4 vanilla 14:20 why did the vanilla dev team change it from unnethack??? it was working alright in unnethack, so when the vanilla devteam decided to make that 3.4.3 fork of unnethack, they should just have kept it the way it was 14:21 ??? 14:21 yeah, unnethack is older than vanilla, in fact vanilla is a variant of unnethack :P 14:22 now you're starting to sound like [Demo] 14:22 <[Demo]> insane? 14:25 also, nethack fourk is a variant of slex and nethack 3.6.0 is a variant of FIQhack! :D 14:26