00:10 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:25 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 00:26 hey 00:26 Hello StatueSurfer, Welcome to #hardfought 00:37 -!- nup0z has joined #hardfought 01:05 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:07 -!- nup0z has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:18 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 01:33 <@Pawkisinov> That moment when your crossbow welds to your hand... 01:38 Didn't that happen at Agincourt? 01:41 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:50 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:52 !tell K2 *bundlebundlebundle* is there a chance of seeing slex 2.1.7 on hardfought? ;) 01:52 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:31 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 02:38 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 02:39 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 02:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 02:46 [hdf-us] [nd] kritixilithos (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 248 points, T:929, killed by a goblin, while sleeping 02:55 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse\splat 02:55 -!- raisse\splat is now known as theRaisse 02:55 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 03:09 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:32 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 03:42 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:44 -!- firemonkey has joined #hardfought 04:14 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 04:30 bouquet: something called OBS. 04:31 rumflump: Because nobody ever plays them. 04:31 I want the role to be challenging but have some advantages and be interesting and fun. 04:40 FIQ: Re: more newbie-friendly (with emphasis on "more", making nethack newbie friendly in an absolute sense would probably make the game unrecognizable to old timers): for example less instadeaths, no luck penalty in sokoban, or the bag explosion change 04:41 Speaking as a relative scrub, I don't notice many unavoidable instadeaths in the early game. 04:42 FIQ: the changes in unnethack are not driven by a desire to remove degenerate behavior but by wanting to make the game more interesting. wishing up an ascension kit early on makes for a boring game. being instakilled is an immediate unsatisfying end to a game, etc. 04:43 I don't think it's necessary to _remove_ degenerate behavior, but I want to avoid _motivating_ tedious behavior. 04:44 When players feel like they "have to" do tedious things, the game is boring. 04:44 Crawldragon: poison. but even if they are "avoidable", avoiding them is usually cumbersome and boring. I don't think it makes for a good game if one of the strategies is to search every square 20 times if you want to be certain not to die. playing like a bot is not fun. 04:45 I like it though... but then again I also like Daggerfall. 04:45 jonadab: it's often easier to remove the degenerate behavior if you can't deter the player to do it. e.g. pudding farming, although I probably went overboard with that one 04:46 sometimes you have to protect the player from themselves 04:48 FIQ: what did unnethack do to compensate? how about more stuff being around, more levels, chromatic dragon armor, remove amnesia for the most part, etc. 04:48 I ♥ amnesia :) 04:49 if you want degenerate behavior, I think I know a variant you'd like ;-) 04:49 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 04:49 bhaak: dnethack? 04:50 LarienTelrunya: :-P 04:50 the OOP monsters are probably due to vaults. 04:50 obtw, please tell me how the stupid invisible levelport barrier in unnethack makes the game "more interesting" :P 04:51 it only serves as a "**** you, say goodbye to your precious teleport scroll" measure IMHO 04:52 it's only a barrier if you want to teleport beyond the dungeon 04:53 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Quit: Derezzed] 04:53 but it's stupid! why do I have to be autistic and OCD enough to remember the exact level number the vibrating square is on? at least remove the restriction if the player has already located the VS! 04:53 -!- rumflump has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:55 hmm? if you know the number, it shouldn't kick in? as I said, it should only affect you, if you try to jump beyond the dungeon levels 04:56 well, usually after locating the VS, I then go to off the wizard, and then I'd want to teleport back down but during that time I forgot if the VS was on 55, 56 or 57... and if I'm off by even a single level, the barrier teleports me all the way back to dlvl1 or something. 04:56 And then I can waste a scroll to teleport to the valley and another to guess the VS depth again. 04:56 you can't blame me if you don't use ctrl-o 04:57 well, you can't blame me for preferring the vanilla way where you're not required to use ctrl-o :D 04:59 says the dev with the variant where you need an usb port with an external memory extension in your skull to have enough brain capacity to keep all the new ways of being killed in your brain ;-) 05:01 ooh, may I use that quote in slex please? :) 05:01 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:02 sure :) 05:03 thanks! 05:07 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 05:08 -!- firemonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:24 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 05:41 <@kritixilithos> noo, I forgot to make it greased 05:51 [hdf-us] [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a spotted jelly, on T:3296 05:55 [hdf-us] [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law), 7937 points, T:3380, killed by an ettin mummy 06:16 -!- Schrubber has joined #hardfought 06:17 -!- Schrubber1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:35 jonadab: wat you'll "rebase fourk onto fiqhack"??? does that mean it will also be fully monster-player symmetric? 06:36 LarienTelrunya: Only insofar as FIQHack already is. I'm letting FIQ do the monster/player symetry work. 06:37 Although, Fourk's new features, if implemented on a FIQHack base, should be easier to implement in a monster/player symetrical way. 06:38 Is this really the first you've heard of my rebase plans? 06:38 rip old player-monster-unsymmetric nethack fourk when that day comes :( 06:38 yes 06:38 I've been putting it off for months and months. 06:39 the fact that there was (and currently still is) no such symmetry in fourk is one of the chief reasons I like Fourk more than FIQhack 06:39 Will probably do it after 4.3.0.5 goes save stable. 06:39 monsters reading scrolls of genocide is just wrong IMHO 06:39 I thought you hated Fourk with a fiery burning passion. 06:39 Oh, yes, the genocide is a bit over the top, I admit that. Might possibly nerf it, dunno. 06:40 well I do, but I still consider Fourk one of the three best non-slex variants (at least the current version on the server) 06:40 What are the other ones you like? 06:40 GruntHack? 06:40 grunthack and dnethack, of course 06:40 Ah. 06:40 Called it on Grunt. 06:40 Should've known. 06:41 oh, and of course I prefer the "true" version of grunthack where beholders are level 6 :P 06:41 Also, you know perfectly well that if I'd put monsters' reading genocide on the EPI list before FIQHack implemented it, you'd have thought it was a great idea and put it in slex. 06:42 It's exactly the sort of thing you usually go in for. 06:42 jonadab: naaaaaaaah, slex has standards, random instakills are reserved for if you step on the wrong square and trigger a bisection or guillotine trap :P 06:44 Sure, slex has standards. And the usual standard is, everyone else has to think it's a bad idea, or you won't implement it. 06:44 well, slex crosses borders that no other variant dev is willing to cross 06:45 True. 07:09 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:15 LarienTelrunya I was compiling 2.1.7 last night 07:15 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-02-14 01:52 EST: *bundlebundlebundle* is there a chance of seeing slex 2.1.7 on hardfought? ;) 07:15 and how did it go? 07:16 you know that I like to use DLB function to put all of the .lev and .des files into nhshare and nhushare 07:16 like every other variant does 07:16 (vanilla calls its file nhdat, etc) 07:17 yes; did it not work correctly? 07:18 yes but too a point 07:18 (sorry had a grumpy 6 yr old to deal with there for a min) 07:19 aww, but she's cute! did she receive my birthday congratulations? 07:19 you have made so many extra levels, you hit the limits of how many files DLB function will compress into a single dat file 07:19 yes i did 07:19 oh, that... I thought I had increased the limit for the # of levels it puts into that file 07:20 i get this msg during compile: 07:20 Too many dlb files! Stopping at 3900. 07:20 it doesnt error out, it finishes the compile 07:20 but i bet there are missing levels it didnt add to nhushare 07:20 yes, one moment, I'll figure out where it sets that variable 07:20 ok 07:20 #define MAX_DLB_FILES 3900 /* max # of files we'll handle */ 07:20 dlb_main.c 07:21 I'll change it to a higher value and then it should work :) 07:21 the weird thing is that (when it was much lower than 3900) I used to get that exact same error message on windows too, but not this time 07:21 heh 07:22 so I thought I hadn't hit the limit yet, but apparently gcc does things differently 07:22 so i have to leave for work now, but if i get to a slow point there i'll recompile with the new value you set 07:23 see you in a bit 07:23 cool, thanks :) repo is now updated with a higher limit in dlb_main.c so the error should hopefully go away 07:23 see you later! 07:49 LarienTelrunya what should MAX_DLB_FILES be now? 07:50 10000 (the repo has been updated, so if you do a git pull then it should be set to that value automatically) 07:50 k 07:51 i dont see a dlb_main.c 07:51 just dlb.c 07:52 in /util/dlb_main.c 07:52 #define MAX_DLB_FILES 07:52 ah ok 07:54 recompiling 07:55 is the version at commit e95ea06 or dc1464e or something different? 08:01 i didnt pull just edited by hand 08:01 i had already made edits to include/config.h 08:02 compile successful 08:02 yay! hopefully without error message this time? 08:02 ok so i need to do so dgamelaunch config edits so we dont kill off any 2.1.1 games 08:02 yeah, I have a well-progressed 2.1.1 game on hdf-eu, wouldn't want to lose that ;) 08:02 yeah if its a successful compile then no show stopping errors 08:03 well you said the "too many dlb files" error didn't cause the compile to fail either 08:04 true 08:04 but what I wanted to know is if the commits I pushed 6 hours ago are in the game or not, since they include some important bug and exploit fixes 08:04 ugh ok one sec 08:05 recompiling 08:05 shouldn't your changes to config.h be preserved by a git pull as long as I didn't change config.h in my commits? 08:05 yes but the original pull did 08:05 oh 08:05 didnt realize you made more edits other than the dlb_main.c file 08:06 well the dlb_main.c I did just now, the other stuff I did this morning 08:06 ok 08:13 LarienTelrunya now nhshare and nhushare are not being created 08:14 what??? 08:14 is there any error message? 08:14 the compile ends at touch quest_levs 08:14 it doesnt proceeed past that 08:15 these lines here I normally see during compile at the very end, they are now missing: 08:15 make[1]: Entering directory '/home/build/SLASHEM-Extended' 08:15 ( cd util ; make dlb ) 08:15 make[2]: Entering directory '/home/build/SLASHEM-Extended/util' 08:15 cc -g -O2 -I../include -c dlb_main.c 08:15 cc -g -o dlb dlb_main.o ../src/dlb.o ../src/alloc.o panic.o 08:15 make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/build/SLASHEM-Extended/util' 08:15 ( cd dat ; ../util/dlb cf nhshare help hh cmdhelp history opthelp wizhelp gypsy.txt data oracles options quest.dat rumors ) 08:15 ( cd dat ; ../util/dlb cf nhushare dungeon dungeon2 dungeon3 dungeon4 dungeon5 dungeon6 dungeon7 dungeon8 *.lev ???-goal.lev ???-fil?.lev ???-loca.lev ???-strt.lev ) 08:15 make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/build/SLASHEM-Extended' 08:17 gah! 08:17 just check your edits from this morning 08:17 you didnt edit a lot of files from what i could tell 08:17 something maybe got commented out 08:18 ok i have to get back to work, will check back soon 08:18 none of those changed anything critical... maybe it's the dlb_main.c change that somehow causes it to fail? 08:21 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:27 !tell K2 I'll have to leave now but will be back in a few hours; maybe the git pull inadvertently overwrote a file you changed, maybe even the one that makes it so that the DLB is used in the first place? otherwise, maybe try setting MAX_DLB_FILES to 5000 instead and see if the compile still aborts? 08:27 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 08:27 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:29 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:51 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:52401 09:19 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Geryon, on T:52688 09:26 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 10:03 Beholder: messages? 10:03 ais523: Message from @luxidream at 2018-02-10 23:49 EST: since when was grope reverted back to vanilla behavior? just died to a c corpse 10:03 @luxidream: it wasn't meant to be, perhaps there's a bug somewhere? 10:08 [hdf-us] [un] Som (Sam Hum Fem Law) shouted "Am I alone?", on T:335 10:09 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 10:10 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:20 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 10:21 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 10:22 [hdf-us] [un] Som (Sam Hum Fem Law), 261 points, T:680, killed by a gnome lord 10:27 [hdf-us] [un] Som (Bar Hum Fem Neu) shouted "Hello? Anyone there?", on T:418 10:28 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 10:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 10:29 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:32 lol 10:32 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-02-14 08:27 EST: I'll have to leave now but will be back in a few hours; maybe the git pull inadvertently overwrote a file you changed, maybe even the one that makes it so that the DLB is used in the first place? otherwise, maybe try setting MAX_DLB_FILES to 5000 instead and see if the compile still aborts? 10:33 YANI: replace DLB with a permissively licensed library that implements .zip format. 10:34 !tell LarienTelrunya the compile doesnt abort, it finishes without errors. it's now missing the bit to start compiling levels (ends on quest_des). this behavior didnt start happening until you asked me to pull down the edits you had made this morning. nothing was overwritten; I did not have to stash anything. 10:34 Will do, K2! 10:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Graz'zt, on T:39827 10:36 !tell LarienTelrunya replace DLB with some existing, permissively/compatibly licensed library that implements PKWare .zip format. 10:36 Will do, jonadab! 10:43 +jonadab │ Oh, yes, the genocide is a bit over the top, I admit that. Might possibly nerf it, dunno. 10:44 <@riker> kritixilithos: brb eating 10:44 way ahead of you 10:44 boolean mon_allowed(int objtyp) { return !(objtyp == SCR_GENOCIDE); } 10:44 <@riker> cc @kritixilithos 10:44 FIQHack allows everything but has code to disable certain items 10:44 <@kritixilithos> o/ 10:45 <@kritixilithos> btw @riker (for when you come back) how did you move so quickly while searching for the downstairs? 10:55 <@Tone> @kritixilithos _ is fast travel if that's what you mean 10:56 <@Tone> You can input > to got straight to the downstair for example 10:57 <@Tone> You might be thinking of auto explore if you're playing a variant 10:59 Or just capital-letter movement. 10:59 I tend to use capital-letter movement a lot when exploring. 10:59 I don't use autoexplore, because it goes in completely the wrong direction much too often. 11:02 <@kritixilithos> I think it might be auto explore, I am familiar with _ and capital-letter, but when riker was playing his character did everything fast 11:03 Capital-letter movement can seem pretty fast in the hands of an experienced player. But yes, some players also use autoexplore. 11:04 Personally, I don't. 11:05 jonadab: your terminal colors look like powershell 11:05 I think it uses the exact same foreground/background 11:06 ah, you're on windows 11:06 so ok 11:06 FIQ: Which terminal colors? Oh, the Putty ones in one of those videos? 11:06 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GqMUvpINog&list=PLzoawcCVJCrbMBYcwtEsJkZ1L5ewLIKqM 11:06 Yeah, for the first video I hadn't really customized them much. 11:06 FOr the second episode I did _a little_. 11:06 But yeah, it's the Windows laptop, it doesn't have all my usual customizations. 11:07 btw, you could give Giants intrinsic halfphy 11:07 to compensate all their current disadvantages 11:07 :P 11:07 There's a thought. 11:08 I mean to start by implementing some smaller armor bits ("gnomish foo" perhaps) that gnomes and scurriers can wear, and then make a decision about what to do in regard to giants. 11:08 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:08 . 11:08 LarienTelrunya: Message from K2 at 2018-02-14 10:34 EST: the compile doesnt abort, it finishes without errors. it's now missing the bit to start compiling levels (ends on quest_des). this behavior didnt start happening until you asked me to pull down the edits you had made this morning. nothing was overwritten; I did not have to stash anything. 11:08 LarienTelrunya: Message from jonadab at 2018-02-14 10:36 EST: replace DLB with some existing, permissively/compatibly licensed library that implements PKWare .zip format. 11:08 I don't intend for those three races to be _entirely_ bereft of armor. 11:08 Just... limited. 11:09 K2: ugh. but those commits didn't change anything to the dlb logic, they only made some minor changes to some of the .c source files 11:09 your choice of pallet in 4k is really hard to read btw 11:09 the darker colors 11:09 so it should normally still be compiling, especially since you did successfully compile it once with the 10000 setting 11:10 yes 11:10 then i pulled your edits from this morning 11:10 did a make clean 11:10 make all 11:10 and it stops at quest_des 11:10 damn 11:10 make clean then make spotless rather 11:11 ugh, what now? travis compiled the current master branch with no problems, so it should work in theory 11:11 any changes to makefile.top that i didnt see? 11:11 oh, I thought you're using GNUmakefile 11:11 from this morning 11:11 no 11:11 LarienTelrunya: Consider the possibility that the "Too many files" error wasn't put there just to stop you from having lots of files, but as a sanity check to prevent you from trying to have more files than _something_ can handle. 11:11 Makefile.top was last changed 2 months ago 11:12 ok 11:12 jonadab: K2 successfully compiled it with the files number variable set to 10000, it's only when he pulled some more unrelated commits afterwards that it suddenly stopped working 11:12 and the only edit i saw there was the comment about a FIQ suggestion and spec_lvls = *.lev 11:12 LarienTelrunya: Oh, hmm. 11:12 Dunno then. 11:12 did K2 screw up the conflict merge? 11:13 <@riker> @Deadly Spaghetti Code when searching for the downstairs? 11:13 there was no conflict merge 11:13 <@riker> er sorry deadly wrong ping 11:13 <@riker> @kritixilithos when searching for teh downstairs? 11:13 <@riker> I type fast 11:13 <@riker> when moving to them once I found them? _, travl command 11:13 <@riker> dnh does not have explore like fiqhack 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh4] succ (Luxidream) (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 37472 points, T:2725, killed by a black pudding 11:14 K2: maybe it's choking on the fact that it first puts all the .lev files into it due to SPEC_LEVS and then tries to put the quest-related ones into the same file due to QUEST_LEVS? 11:14 but there's no error 11:14 it just ends 11:15 <@luxidream> Thanks, whoever left their pudding army in mt 11:15 'Done' 11:15 i can run it again and see 11:15 one min 11:15 Makefile.top line 146: @echo "Done." 11:15 so it apparently doesn't execute anything that's below 11:16 or rather, it might be choking on something that's below 11:16 line 176 ( cd dat ; $(MAKE) quest_levs ) 11:16 that one seems suspicious, maybe we should remove it 11:16 !whereis luxidream 11:16 FIQ: [hdf-us] luxidream is not currently playing on this server. 11:16 !whereis FIQ 11:16 FIQ: [hdf-us] FIQ [fh]: (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 11:16 FIQ: [hdf-eu] FIQ [fh]: (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) T:2209 The Dungeons of Doom level: 4 11:16 !whereis FIQ 11:16 FIQ: [hdf-us] FIQ [fh]: (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 11:16 hmm 11:16 K2: I have an idea: I try to make a patch to Makefile.top and then you can apply the changes I made and see whether it still aborts 11:16 why? it needs to make the quest levels 11:17 !whereis FIQ 11:17 FIQ: [hdf-us] FIQ is not currently playing on this server. 11:17 ok 11:17 LarienTelrunya it doesnt abort 11:17 K2: yes, but line 132 says: SPEC_LEVS = *.lev 11:17 <@riker> !rng do fierna, belial | don't 11:17 @riker: don't 11:17 it thinks its completed the compile successfully 11:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:17 that includes the quest levels already 11:17 ok 11:17 one min 11:17 well yeah, but if the nhshare files aren't being created then it's still somehow faulty 11:18 and I *think* I know why, that's why I want to make a patch and see if it fixes it 11:18 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 11:18 -!- raisse is now known as Guest75600 11:19 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 11:19 I just hope quest_levs isn't being referenced in some other file! 11:20 gah, but apparently it is :( so this probably won't work 11:21 -!- Guest75600 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:24 lemme know when you're done editing 11:24 i can see you're making changes to makefile.dat as well 11:24 yeah, because that had quest_levs in it too 11:25 So much fun. 11:26 well, it might work now; K2: can you try to compile it with the changes to makefile.top and makefile.dat? I'm not sure if the latter is used by the compiling process but maybe it is 11:26 LarienTelrunya: Has the number of permonst structures in the monst[] array exceeded 64-bit maxint yet? 11:26 jonadab: haha 11:26 ok 11:30 compiling 11:31 oh, the reason why the travis build is working is probably because that one is using GNUmakefile 11:31 so travis won't even tell me if there's something wrong with Makefile.top :( 11:41 ../util/lev_comp Valkyrie.des 11:41 ../util/lev_comp Wandkeep.des 11:41 ../util/lev_comp Warrior.des 11:41 ../util/lev_comp Wizard.des 11:41 ../util/lev_comp Yeoman.des 11:41 ../util/lev_comp Zooke.des 11:41 touch spec_levs 11:41 make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/build/SLASHEM-Extended/dat' 11:41 Done. 11:41 still no nhshare or nhushare file created 11:41 crap, so it still doesn't want to work? 11:41 :( 11:42 something changed this morning 11:43 commit 56a226a on Dec 5 2017 might have caused it 11:44 specifically the part that changed Makefile.top 11:44 is there a specific reason you're using Makefile.top instead of GNUmakefile? 11:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:42651 11:45 maybe FIQ's method of making SPEC_LEVS be *.lev isn't actually working and I need to revert things 11:47 ... 11:47 it's just a wildcard 11:47 it matches everything 11:47 if not, you're doing something silly 11:48 but sure 11:48 K2: can you try to pull the version at dc1464e and see if that doesn't want to compile correctly either? 11:48 if you want to make your own and everyone who hosts the game's life harder 11:48 more power to you 11:48 FIQ: you're welcome to tell me how to make it compile correctly 11:49 well this is clearly unrelated 11:49 since it broke this morning 11:49 way after this change 11:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:43160 11:49 yeah but we don't know if K2 was using the old Makefile.top (the one before that Dec 5 commit) all this time; in fact, I can check when slex was last compiled on hdf 11:50 oh, Jan 14 2018 11:50 why can't Github say "committed on "? why does it have to tell me "committed 19 days ago"? 11:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Daughter Lilith, on T:43341 11:50 try hover over that text? 11:51 works in some places for an exact timestamp 11:51 or use proper git 11:51 LarienTelrunya no i dont 11:51 i dont have the time at the moment 11:52 i have an idea 11:52 one sec 11:52 so the version on hdf is commit 1f3aaea - now I need to find out what commit that is 11:53 hmm that was after the Makefile.top change 11:54 one sec 11:54 i haz idea 11:54 <@riker> go k2 11:54 <@riker> u can do the idea 11:54 LarienTelrunya: told you 11:54 ok so that version on the server really wasn't compiled with FIQ's Makefile.top change 11:54 because that commit was in the slex-2.1.1 branch, which didn't ever receive that Makefile.top change! 11:55 we changed Makefile.top in version 2.1.2, but the server is still running 2.1.1! 11:55 K2: what is the idea? 11:55 LarienTelrunya: but K2 explicitly said that *before today's change*, it worked fine 11:55 making sure makefile.top is inline with makefile actual 11:55 he compiled slex yesterday, you know 11:55 err vice versa 11:55 not sure if he pushed it on server but yeah 11:56 Do Unix shells have a limit on length, that could cause wildcard expansion to fail if there are a ton of files? My instincts say probably not, but it would explain things here. 11:57 (Windows shells have _really crazy low_ limits on such things...) 11:57 jonadab: thing is, K2 managed to successfully compile it this morning 11:57 then LarienTelrunya would be unable to compile slex herself 11:57 FIQ: Oh, hmm, good point. 11:57 yeah, it compiles just fine on windows 11:58 recompiling 11:58 So whatever make is doing to expand the wildcard must not depend on command.com then :-) 11:58 windows also uses a completely different makefile 11:58 (I actually have relatively little idea how make works.) 11:58 LarienTelrunya: Ah, that's actually not very surprising. 11:59 makefile.gcc (the one for windows) doesn't do this strange separation between quest levels and all the other special levels that Makefile.top is somehow doing 12:08 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 12:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased magic marker", on T:46376 12:12 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 12:17 <@riker> hah! 12:17 <@riker> The master lich drinks a potion of gain level! 12:17 <@riker> The master lich seems more experienced. 12:17 <@riker> The arch-lich's body crumbles into dust. 12:17 <@riker> I didn't know I'd geno'd them :D 12:17 that never gets old! 12:18 <@riker> first time for me :D 12:21 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:23 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:23 <@riker> !tell Chris_ANG dagon's level is impossible to cross without magical breathing in this run. the maze doesnt' connect. 12:23 Will do, @riker! 12:24 <@riker> this is dissapointing 12:26 <@riker> I can self-poly but tha'ts one-way only cuz screw dagon 12:26 riker: Can you paste your map into the dnethack channel or put it in a pastebin or something? 12:26 Chris_ANG: Message from @riker at 2018-02-14 12:23 EST: dagon's level is impossible to cross without magical breathing in this run. the maze doesnt' connect. 12:27 <@riker> I'm live on hdf rn 12:27 That happens from time-to-time but I don't know why. 12:27 <@riker> can you screencap from there? I have curses on myself so it's kinda hard ot paste 12:28 Yeah, got it. 12:28 <@riker> kk 12:28 <@riker> also, I think it's a bug? can't leave the water sometimes 12:28 <@riker> I was a deep one to cross 12:28 <@riker> and I couldn't leave teh water in places I knew were floor not rock 12:29 <@riker> it was kinda glitchy 12:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha) averted death, on T:48773 12:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Dagon, on T:48866 12:31 <@riker> hey chris got anothe rbug for you 12:31 jonadab: you can use a, to loot chests in NH4 12:31 <@riker> > There are also -1 degraded and 3 fragmentary pentagrams carved here. 12:31 <@riker> I know dagon and cthulhu are non-euclidean and all but I'm not sure that extends to things they stand on 12:32 @riker heh, I've seen that too 12:33 jonadab: btw, I have no issues hearing your voice but you seem to talk a bit too close to your mic 12:33 a lot of blowing noise as you talk 12:33 <@riker> the ward bug? 12:33 <@riker> ah cool 12:33 @riker yeah 12:33 <@riker> chris_ang to repro I'm fairly certain it was me reinforcing the ward, I started with 4 degraded 3 frag iirc and reinforced it 7 times 12:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Glasya, on T:49477 12:35 <@riker> ok then 12:35 <@riker> I've got asmo in the same room upstairs 12:35 <@riker> this gonna be good 12:36 Ooh, that's what that one is... 12:36 if(oep->partial_wards){ 12:36 <@riker> he's peaceful still but I have not nearly enough to bribe him 12:36 ... 12:36 why no hpmonitor? 12:36 oep->degraded_wards--; 12:36 Oops 12:36 <@riker> ? 12:36 <@riker> talking to me fiq? 12:37 (ie, it checks for partial wards but DECRIMENTS degraded wards. So degraded wards goes negative if there are any partial wards) 12:37