00:05 @d?pale night 00:05 Pale Night (&) | Lvl: 96 | Diff: 52 | Spd: 10 | Res: fire cold sleep disintegrate poison petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 96 | Generates: unique | AC: -66 | Attacks: 4d4 gaze level drain, 4d4 gaze confuse, 4d4 cast spell, 4d4 reach abduction, 4d4 passive sex | Alignment: -20 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, undead, demon, stalker, covetous, infravisible 00:05 so i guess i'll be saving a wish for a cockatrice corpse 00:08 <@luxidream> res: petrification 00:08 <@luxidream> can't cheese these guys, sorry 00:08 okay so i just fight it and die horribly 00:09 reading through these demon lords i'm not totally sure there's a point to armor in dnh 00:09 except to avoid dying to an armor-shredding attack 00:11 <@luxidream> probably damage reduction. most of their levels are so high that they're pretty much guaranteed to hit you 00:12 isn't there one with some armor teleport attack 00:12 <@luxidream> yeah, lamashtu 00:12 <@luxidream> @d?lamashtu 00:12 Lamashtu (&) | Lvl: 107 | Diff: 58 | Spd: 24 | Res: fire disintegrate poison acid petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 95 | Generates: unique | AC: -26 | Attacks: 3d7 bite vampire-drain, 3d7 touch steal-by-teleportation, 3d7 touch abduction, 0d7 cast clerical, 0d7 cast clerical | Alignment: -20 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, demon, stalker, covetous, infravisible 00:14 the wiki says that someone got a naked AC of -21 for the purpose of fighting this one 00:15 <@luxidream> I remember someone saying the best thing to do would just be to branchport to soko and then leave her there 00:15 heh 00:16 <@luxidream> or somewhere where you'll never go again 00:20 <@luxidream> maybe you should play dyna. you like knights, don't you? 00:21 yeah 00:21 i was thinking of being a clockwork samurai if i played dnh 00:22 they can hit skilled in lance which seems convenient against these monstrosities 00:25 <@luxidream> casting can help 00:26 <@luxidream> probably spirit powers too 00:26 -!- deadnoob has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:26 <@luxidream> but I don't know that much about dnh so 00:38 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:38 and you also don't cast spells 00:38 but thanks for the tips 01:03 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 01:06 [hdf-us] [dyn] the fitness gram pacer test (Luxidream) (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1001 points, T:23738, choked on a tin of giant ant meat 01:07 whups 01:10 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:10 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 01:11 -!- Chris__ANG is now known as Chris_ANG 01:14 <@luxidream> oops 01:41 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:54 . 01:54 LarienTelrunya: Message from @riker at 2018-02-11 12:36 EST: talking to a friend in discord, he said this, I told him I'd ping you about adding it to slex 01:54 LarienTelrunya: Message from @riker at 2018-02-11 12:36 EST: (begin quote) that reminds me of this role I was thinking of, the Shopkeeper, where the identities of anything in any shop will be revealed to you. and because of your union of shopkeepers/whatever, and you start at a shop (end quote_ 01:54 LarienTelrunya: Message from @riker at 2018-02-11 12:38 EST: (quote) more details that might be of interest: you can "borrow" anything from any shop without paying them, killing a shopkeeper results in {insert a very big punishment} (riker's note: generates great wyrm of power), there is a guaranteed shop on DL 1(quote) 01:55 !tell riker ugh, a shopkeeper role would require a lot of special casing and stuff... unfortunately I don't really feel like adding one to slex :( 01:55 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 01:58 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:59 aww StatueSurfer why'd you quit :( 01:59 !tell StatueSurfer hybrid races in slex let you be several races at once; most of the hybrid races do substantial changes to the game, e.g. the ironman hybrid race makes it so that almost every room is a (random) special room 01:59 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:05 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 02:20 !tell K2 SLEX 2.1.7 is out and ready for the server *bundlebundlebundle* It's the current master branch. If you do put it on the server, please make sure that I can still finish my 2.1.1 game on hdf-eu (2.1.7 breaks saves, obviously), I made it to the quest on that savegame :) 02:20 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 02:20 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:27 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:47 -!- krychu_ has joined #hardfought 02:50 -!- krychu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:51 -!- krychu_ has joined #hardfought 02:59 -!- krychu__ has joined #hardfought 03:02 -!- krychu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:12 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:75087 03:12 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:75088 03:12 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:75089 03:12 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:75104 03:15 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "7 blessed wax candles", on T:75180 03:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:29 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:29 -!- Crawlwyvern has joined #hardfought 03:29 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:39 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 04:14 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 04:14 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 04:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 04:19 [hdf-us] [nh4] Wiz (Nobbs) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 49042 points, T:11932, killed by a bolt of lightning 04:30 [hdf-us] [dyn] Aurakatu (Robin) (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 1310 points, T:1832, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted imp 04:32 -!- krychu__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33 -!- krychu_ has joined #hardfought 04:36 -!- krychu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:36 -!- krychu_ has joined #hardfought 04:40 -!- rumflump has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:47 winny: are you here? do you happen to know how many levels the Mainframe in ZAPM has? the wiki doesn't seem to have that info :( 04:51 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:53 -!- Crawlwyvern has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:53 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 05:01 -!- krychu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 05:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 05:01 -!- krychu_ has joined #hardfought 05:06 -!- krychu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:11 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 05:15 Mandevil: huh, how is the polearm usage UI "sucky"? The alternative would be to autotarget the nearest enemy, but sometimes you want to single out a specific enemy and then it would be ultra annoying if it autotargetted the wrong one... 05:28 Somehow Crawl makes it work well. 05:28 And yes, if you really want target specific monsters, you can revert to manual targeting. 05:29 ah, so you do retain full control over it and it just saves a bunch of keystrokes when you don't care which monster to attack first? 05:29 Yes. 05:30 But autofight is quite intelligent as monster selection is concerned. 05:30 oh? I just assumed it would target the nearest monster, or if several are at the same distance, the one who reached that distance first or something. 05:30 No, it actually chooses on several criteria. 05:31 It also refuses to work when your HP gets below user-defined threshold. 05:31 ooh, user-defined low hitpoint warnings, I wish Elona's devs would finally wise up and make it configurable there as well 05:32 instead they force-feed a 25% HP low hitpoint warning... in a game where monsters that can one- or two-shot you are very common *headdesk* 05:32 This is not warning I am talking about. 05:32 It just ceases to work. 05:32 yeah but it's similar in concept 05:32 Generally, in Crawl you mostly autofight. 05:33 Fighting the way we do in NetHack is only for major fights where you need to be careful. 05:33 hmm, my best crawl run so far got to the lair, where I got utterly obliterated by a pack of yaks... I guess I'm just doing it wrong 05:34 If you were obliterated by yaks, then yes, you were doing it wrong. 05:35 -!- krychu_ has joined #hardfought 05:56 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 06:00 -!- krychu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:01 -!- krychu_ has joined #hardfought 06:02 -!- krychu_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:03 -!- krychu_ has joined #hardfought 06:03 -!- krychu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04 -!- krychu_ has joined #hardfought 06:04 -!- krychu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04 -!- krychu_ has joined #hardfought 06:09 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 06:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 06:16 -!- krychu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:16 -!- krychu_ has joined #hardfought 06:18 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Quit: Derezzed] 06:18 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:93041 06:19 !asc demobot 06:19 Grasshopper: demobot has ascended 10 times in 214 games (4.67%): nh:10 (4.67%) 06:19 not bad 06:54 Evil Patch idea: if you die and are resurrected by an amulet of life saving, you automatically drop all your gear on the spot you died and are then teleported back to dungeon level 1, or the sanctum if you already had the Amulet of Yendor. 06:55 oh, that's brilliant! 06:57 :) 07:02 LarienTelrunya: Mandevil: FIQHack has changed the polearm UI 07:02 3.6 also 07:02 hmm, I never bothered trying to use polearms in 3.6 07:02 vanulla is basically "get excalibur, use melee on everything, ascend" :P 07:02 *vanilla 07:03 Both 3.6 and FIQHack did this: instead of centering the targeting cursor on the player, it is centered on an appropriate target (from the player's POV; so ignoring invisible if no see invis, etc) 07:03 FIQHack, in addition to this, made 'f' with an empty quiver while wielding a polearm, immediately attack an appropriate target as per above 07:03 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:67872 07:04 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:67875 07:04 FIQHack also has autoswap, which apart from letting you autoswap ranged launchers and melee weapons, will also work on polearm<->melee 07:04 FIQ: can it be turned off? Because if there are several applicable targets, it would be *ultra annoying* to have to check where the cursor jumped to every time and then manually move it over to the target you actually want to attack. If the cursor starts out centered on you, you can muscle memory the keystrokes. 07:04 It can't be turned off, but IIRC it will switch target to whatever you targeted last if it's still valid 07:04 . 07:04 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-02-12 02:20 EST: SLEX 2.1.7 is out and ready for the server *bundlebundlebundle* It's the current master branch. If you do put it on the server, please make sure that I can still finish my 2.1.1 game on hdf-eu (2.1.7 breaks saves, obviously), I made it to the quest on that savegame :) 07:05 Don't remember 07:05 !tell LarienTelrunya I'll put 2.1.7 up tonight 07:05 Will do, K2! 07:05 K2: yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay *hug* ♥ 07:05 LarienTelrunya: Message from K2 at 2018-02-12 07:05 EST: I'll put 2.1.7 up tonight 07:05 FIQ: ah, that makes sense 07:05 LarienTelrunya: If this is not the case, feel free to tell me about it and I'll implement it 07:06 and/or fix it 07:07 well, there's no yeoman in FIQhack so I'd have to actually play and see if I can turn up a polearm :P 07:07 maybe I can wizmode on my local copy 07:08 WTF, you made it so that equipping a beaked polearm takes more than one turn??? "You stop preparing to swing your polearm" WTF 07:08 or is that because it automatically removes the shield while the titan is bashing on me? 07:09 no, it akes one turn to do 07:09 gah, and I'm restricted with polearms so I can only hit stuff on the four cardinal directions... I really like what SLASH'EM did to polearms, i.e. giving them their full range regardless of your skill 07:10 that is just a misleading message 07:10 blame NH 07:10 *NH4 07:10 also why is there no role that can reach expert with polearms? please add the yeoman role to FIQhack :D 07:10 basically it is to avoid NH3's being able to wield weapon for free 07:11 If I am going to add a role to FIQHack, I will not do so unless it is sufficiently unique 07:11 Yeoman is just knight with polearms instead of lances 07:11 wtf, why is ctrl-G not wizard mode monster creation 07:11 Because it is something else 07:11 Use #genesis 07:12 ah 07:12 thx 07:12 Whenever new commands were added, they generally replaced wizmode controls 07:12 because they, you know 07:12 are debug-only 07:12 FIQ: I solved this by making lances use polearm skill, and giving Knights the ability to get to expert in it. 07:12 jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-02-10 16:52 EST: Congratulations, your evil patch ideas just claimed another soul. The oilskin gloves, specifically. 07:12 jonadab: Hmm that is an interesting take on it 07:12 But aren't they completely different in use IRL? 07:13 Yes, but I don't care, because in the game non-lance polearms are basically never used. 07:13 I mean, NHINIRL, but there should be at least a semblance of logic 07:13 Gameplay is more important than realism, IMO. 07:13 FIQ: well, unfortunately in this version it's so that if I try to use my beaked polearm, it selects one of the lichens surrounding me and even if I manually target another one and miss, and then try again, it again selects the one it originally autoselected :( 07:13 LarienTelrunya: ok, I'll look into that 07:14 jonadab: Yeah but this would be as if club and long sword shared skill 07:14 OK, maybe not *that* bad, but short sword vs long sword 07:15 Speaking of, club should share skill with mace 07:15 I think it's more like club and mace and flail sharing skill. 07:15 jonadab: I've seen you record a Nethack Fourk video; unfortunately I cannot listen to it here since this PC doesn't have sound output, but once I get home I can. Will you also make a video where you play slex and say in the comments what you think of its features? I'd love to see such a video :) *bundlebundlebundle* ♥ 07:15 LarienTelrunya: Not really interested in doing a Let's Play of slex, but I am considering doing Brogue daily seeds. 07:16 Not every day, but sometimes. 07:16 well I don't mean an actual Let's Play, just one video "for fun" ;) 07:16 (Every day would be impractical, because of the amount of time the videos take to upload to YouTube, which is rather insane.) 07:16 "fun" 07:16 Let me think about that. 07:16 jonadab: do it 07:16 if you want, I can also make one about Fourk :D 07:16 `Hmm. 07:16 and roast the game 07:17 Ok, I've thought about it. 07:17 No. 07:17 Grasshopper is on the plane or air... 07:17 that way you might be able to avoid LarienTelrunya pestering you in the future :) 07:17 I did something similar a while back with slex 07:17 FIQ: Doesn't work that way. 07:17 made it loud and clear that I was not to play slex, and what I thought of the game, without sugarcoating whatsoever 07:17 jonadab: awwwwwwwwwwwwwww :( 07:18 it 1: pised LarienTelrunya off (temporarily), 2: made her basically never tell me to play slex anymore 07:18 so, mission accomplished 07:18 but you're the wonderful, lovely jonadab, master of evil patch ideas, and you'd be able to see them in action! 07:18 FIQ: play slex! *bundlebundlebundle* ♥ 07:18 * FIQ zaps LarienTelrunya with a wand of lightning! 07:18 I don't want to see Evil Patch Ideas in action. They're evil and should not be implemented, that was the whole POINT. 07:18 (actually: FIQ: wait until SLEX 2.1.7 goes live on hardfought and then play it *bundlebundlebundle*) 07:19 jonadab: roast the game so hard 07:19 it'll be fun to watch 07:19 LarienTelrunya: I think he'd rather chew a jumbo roll of aluminum foil. 07:19 at least 07:19 I mean, I do "play" slex sometimes 07:19 when debugging curses 07:19 FIQ: LarienTelrunya's shield of reflection fails to reflect the lightning explosion! LarienTelrunya's ring of free action explodes! LarienTelrunya's ring of levitation explodes! LarienTelrunya falls into the moat! LarienTelrunya drowns... Do you want your possessions identified? 07:19 LarienTelrunya: why do you think I chose a wand of lightning 07:20 death > lightning > fire > striking 07:20 is my "order of severity" with my equivalent of /me slaps X around a bit with a large trout 07:20 haha, I'm not annoying enough to deserve the death field? 07:20 no 07:21 That is reserved for spammers. 07:21 that's only if someone has genuinely pissed me off 07:21 jonadab: no that's different, those I just ignore (or if I have chanop, kick) 07:21 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:98404 07:22 !asc demobot 07:22 FIQ: demobot has ascended 10 times in 214 games (4.67%): nh:10 (4.67%) 07:22 10? what 07:22 jonadab: you know that you want to do a 5-minute slex-trashing video, admit it ;) 07:22 it was like 3 not that long ago? 07:23 huh 07:23 he's on a streak 07:23 !streak demobot 07:23 FIQ: demobot Max[nh]: 2 (2018-02-11 - 2018-02-11)(current). 07:24 Woah. 07:24 A bot that streaks. 07:24 he's taken inspiration from Tariru 07:24 LarienTelrunya: You should teach bothack to play slex. 07:25 And then rename it slex-o-matic 07:25 heh 07:26 jonadab: but that would eat up tons of free time which I'd much rather use to improve slex itself and make it more fun to play! 07:26 "fun" 07:26 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof magic harp named Stratocaster", on T:68089 07:27 LarienTelrunya: You should make a list of the EPIs that you considered too evil even for slex. 07:27 I bet that would be a pretty scary list. 07:27 jonadab: elder priest 07:28 wand destruction patch 07:28 FIQ: I meant stuff from my EPI list. 07:28 So this would mean Amy and I both consider it too evil to put in the game. 07:29 ah 07:29 "EPI: if you push a boulder, the game checks your Str against 5 * rne(2), and if your Str is lower, the boulder rolls back into you, dealing damage and knocking you back." is an example of one I didn't implement 07:29 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:68097 07:29 !whereis demobot 07:29 FIQ: [hdf-us] DemoBot [nh]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:99080 The Elemental Planes level: -3 (with Amulet) 07:29 FIQ: elder priests and the mean parts of the wand destruction patch both are in the game now, but only if you pick the optional evilvariant mode 07:29 ah, Fire 07:29 so at least it'll get to astral 07:29 because who dies on fire 07:29 or water 07:29 when lawful 07:36 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Pestilence, on T:68118 07:39 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Pestilence, on T:68148 07:39 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:68158 07:41 FIQ: you played ZAPM a couple of times, can you tell me how many levels the mainframe has? the wiki doesn't have any info :( 07:42 5 07:42 -!- krychu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:42 they're maze levels 07:42 jonadab's favorite 07:42 except it's widemazes 07:42 unlike nethjack 07:42 *nethackl 07:42 **nethack 07:42 -!- krychu_ has joined #hardfought 07:42 rabbit hole and 5 mazes? or does the rabbit hole count as mainframe too? 07:43 wtf is rabbit hole 07:43 oh you mean that level 07:43 * raisse watches the bot on astral 07:43 that is part of space base... 07:43 ah 07:44 oh I somehow misread the robot town placement, I thought robot town was the bottommost space base level but it's really level 8 out of 12 07:44 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:68200 07:45 not first altar 07:45 eep it's running low on HP 07:46 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:68224 07:47 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death, on T:100149 07:47 -!- krychu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:47 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:68238 07:49 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law), 11350194 points, T:100237, killed by an Angel of Loki (with the Amulet) 07:49 aww 07:49 -!- krychu_ has joined #hardfought 07:49 it didn't deal with the baluchitherium that was wearing it down, and then the angel got in the final hit 07:50 a human would have killed the q first or teleported it away 07:50 that is one thing 07:50 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:68254 07:50 bothack doesn't use tele strats on astral whatsoeve 07:50 r 07:50 which is weird 07:50 because it is really effective and not that hard to implement 07:50 bothack also kills the killer bees and soldier ants even when they're behind him and preventing Famine from catching up 07:51 that is another thing 07:51 one issue that also affects fiqhack player monsters because I haven't bothered addressing it yet 07:51 rather than prioritizing walking towards their goal above all else on astralk 07:51 *astral 07:51 *its 07:52 it will keep killing stuff that happens to be nearby 07:52 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:68267 07:55 congrats Grasshopper! 07:55 grasshoppers are better at astral than bots, evidently 07:56 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 3397890 points, T:68275, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Grasshopper/nhdev/dumplog/1517724445.nhdev.txt 07:56 ... and so it was written in the Book of Grasshopper... 07:57 thanks raisse! 07:57 Grasshopper: congratulations! btw, teaser: once the new slex version goes live on hdf, you can enjoy it too because the hangup penalty will disappear :) 07:57 I went to watch you after watching the bot and it was already the end-of-game log, but I had to wait until it said either "You survived" or "You died" 07:58 er, "You are dead' 07:58 grats Grasshopper! 07:58 LarienTelrunya, oh really? That is exciting news! 07:58 * raisse is in a meeting but it's boring and most of the stuff doesn't concern me 07:58 :) 07:58 (irc meeting, don't have to look physically present) 07:58 yeah, I figured that no one is using hangup cheating anyway, so the penalty might as well be abolished 07:59 thanks K2 :D 07:59 (that does not mean anyone should be using hangup cheating though, for I have added a way to blacklist users who do that and make it so the hangup penalties are in effect for them specifically :P) 07:59 Evil Patch Idea: if the hangup penalty is unfair to people with a bad connection, fix it by making it happen even to people who are on a good connection, by having the game just randomly hang you up sometimes -- and penalize you. 08:00 jonadab: haha, I thought about a disconnect trap that disconnects you from the server when triggered, but that's an example of an EPI that's really too evil for slex. 08:01 LarienTelrunya, although there are nasty little cheaters out there, it is nice to assume that most people aren't out to find a new to exploit the game 08:01 but if they prove that they are, then hit 'em hard! 08:01 yeah :) 08:02 in fact, of all the slex players I've watched so far, there was exactly one who used hangup cheating, and that was the one prompting me to add the hangup penalty; it seems harsh to punish everyone for something that at most 1% of players are doing 08:02 and thus, 2.1.7 is free of that penalty at last. 08:03 \o/ 08:03 What about the slex penalty? 08:04 The one that punishes you for playing slex, by making your game slexy. 08:04 I kept whining about that thing 08:05 jonadab: you can play the soviet race, then the game behaves similar to slashthem and is less slexy on average; it even makes it so that wands of deslexification exist, which will randomly cancel, disintegrate or delete non-vanilla monsters. 08:09 * LarienTelrunya installs RealLifeSlex on jonadab's PC! jonadab's life becomes slexy! 08:11 Oh how cruel... 2 tripe rations on a falling rock trap (aka "puppy pounder" or "kitty krusher") 08:11 to attract more victims! 08:11 the RNG didn't count on my playing a knight (starting pet = pony!) 08:11 You see a carafe shatter! Something seems to be holding you. You see a jar shatter! You feel somewhat dizzy. A spellbook is torn to shreds! You feel less confused now. 08:12 yikes 08:12 shouldn't have tried to open a chest with my quarterstaff 08:12 now all I've got is 62 gold pieces 08:14 Show no quarter! 08:14 I don't have any quarters so that's easy :-) 08:26 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 794 points, T:2960, killed by a rabid rat 08:32 LarienTelrunya: I don't think that'll run on my Devuan system, fortunately. 08:58 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:06 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 328 points, T:1218, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze 09:07 go elenmirie go! 09:10 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:19 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:49 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2856 points, T:5117, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 09:49 lovely, instadeath from poison spikes - just what my streak needed 09:50 dang! 09:51 :( 09:53 !lotg poisoned spikes 09:53 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, poisoned spikes! 09:54 Grasshopper: heh, the tripe rations on a trap thing are probably an unexpected side-effect of deliberately putting items on traps 09:54 The high priest intones: "Pilgrim, you enter a sacred place!" "Come here often?" 09:55 good pickup line for a temple 09:55 mb an Un streak would be less BS 09:55 go elenmirie! 09:58 YASI: create artifacts with names that are the abbreviations of other nethack variants. Flavored as paying homage to those variants, but actually just to confuse people talking about them. 09:59 So, artifacts named Un, Grunt, etc. 10:10 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 10:11 Grasshopper: on that falling rock trap earlier, did your pets actually go for the treat? 10:11 aosdict: knight 10:12 Or was it cursed and they're like "nah, not gonna eat cursed tripe" 10:12 pony 10:14 I suppose a pony wouldn't want to eat cursed tripe. 10:17 it doesn't eat tripe at all 10:17 unless hungry 10:18 monsters don't care about cursed food IIRC 10:19 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:19 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:28720 10:20 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:20 aosdict, the tripe was cursed, but my pet pony wouldn't have been interested anyway 10:20 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 10:30 grats elenmirie! 10:31 grats elenmirie! 10:32 "Things that are here:... a heavy iron ball named The Iron Ball of Levitation" 10:32 slex 10:36 -!- rumflump has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:38 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:46 -!- krychu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:47 !tell Grasshopper that's a dnethack item 10:47 Will do, FIQ! 10:52 ooh elenmirie ascended when I was away, congrats! 10:54 thanks, raisse! 10:54 and K2 and Grasshopper! 10:56 !tell Grasshopper in fact, in dnethack, it's one of the best artifacts in the game 10:56 Will do, FIQ! 11:01 heh 11:01 I like how female droven noble quest is considered harder than ana despite the nemesis being something that is plentiful in ana as merely a minion 11:01 due to the power level difference 11:19 -!- dtype has quit [] 11:19 -!- dtype has joined #hardfought 11:25 -!- oh6_ has joined #hardfought 11:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6_] by ChanServ 11:29 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:49 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 12:05 -!- hothraxxa_ has joined #hardfought 12:08 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:10 -!- hothraxxa_ is now known as hothraxxa 12:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hothraxxa] by ChanServ 12:19 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Rog Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a homunculus, on T:12197 12:21 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:48 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15090 13:00 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:06 [hdf-us] [gh] arnibald (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had mace bestowed upon him by Mog, on T:2360 13:21 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Rog Hum Fem Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:16111 13:47 You have a little trouble lifting X - an uncursed scroll of RNG taming. 13:47 alrighty! 13:51 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 14:03 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 14:16 The tin opens like magic! You stop opening the tin. 14:16 thought this should never happen 14:21 you playing NH4? 14:23 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 14:27 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 263 seconds] 14:27 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 14:28 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:46 fiq: grunthack 14:51 this level is insane. when i got here there were two kobold nurses. now there's four 14:51 i'm running around naked 14:53 nobody look okay 14:54 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:57 hothraxxa: Do we need to get Durkon to cast Cat's Grace on you? 14:57 * aosdict is noticing an uptick in oots references and is pleased 14:59 it's nuts. i am just standing in this room and the nurses are finding me 15:07 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:25 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 15:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 15:33 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:62762 15:33 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:62774 15:33 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:62775 15:33 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 helm of telepathy", on T:62777 15:33 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:62780 15:33 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 shield of reflection", on T:62781 15:38 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of enchant armor", on T:62921 15:52 <[Demo]1> demobot is annoying 15:52 <[Demo]1> i might kill him 15:52 i wouldnt be sad about that 15:59 doesn't he kill himself often enough anyway? 15:59 :) 16:01 <@riker> . 16:01 @riker: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-02-12 01:55 EST: ugh, a shopkeeper role would require a lot of special casing and stuff... unfortunately I don't really feel like adding one to slex :( 16:11 because the existing 4,677,892 roles are enough really 16:12 <@riker> lol 16:13 !tell LarienTelrunya slex YANI: new shop type psychedelicatessen. Is like a delicatessen, except all of its regular potions are replaced with potions of hallucination and tins of violet fungus. 16:13 Will do, aosdict! 16:13 -!- Goreval has joined #hardfought 16:14 <[Demo]1> i support 16:17 <@riker> y tho 16:19 because its slex 16:19 <@riker> buy 16:19 <@riker> *but 16:19 <@riker> you're missing all the other good slex drugs 16:19 <@riker> pink pills for one 16:20 [hdf-us] [gh] arnibald (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6999 16:21 okay, stock it with all the other good slex drugs then. I don't have any idea what drug-induced drug ideas slex implements. 16:21 <@riker> lol 16:21 Probably all of them. 16:22 <@riker> all the drugs AND all the drugs 16:22 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:45 The invisible golden naga points all around, then curses. 16:45 with what? 16:46 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 16:46 With its hands? 16:46 <@riker> they have hands 16:46 <@riker> snakes != nagas 16:46 Nagas are humanoid from the waist up, IIRC. 16:46 <@riker> ^ 16:46 At least approximately. 16:46 <@riker> which makes you then wonder: what the heck are they all solid gold? black? red? 16:47 Depending on the source, I think nagas may or may not have arms. 16:47 <[Demo]1> do the tiles? 16:47 But in nethack they appear to have M1_NOLIMBS. Hmm. 16:47 They're also MZ_HUGE, where I would expect (from the humanoid part) they'd be no more than MZ_LARGE. 16:49 Hmm, yes, that seems different from my expectations. 16:50 Hmm, the presence or absense of arms is ambigous in the default tileset, due to the small size. (The arms would have to be one pixel wide and adjacent to the body...) 16:50 Okay, so the nohands() macro *only* checks M1_NOHANDS. 16:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 16:51 aosdict: Oh, doesn't check nolimbs? Interesting. 16:51 <@riker> do monsters have a kick thing? 16:51 Oh, but M1_NOLIMBS actually isn't a single bit; it includes the no hands bit. 16:51 <@riker> might be applicable, see if the kick() function or whatever 16:51 aosdict: Ah. 16:51 <[Demo]1> i wanna see a monster go ninjakick jump rolling on stuff 16:51 So I suppose 0x00004000 would be the bit for having no legs, whereas 0x00002000 is no hands. 16:52 (could there be monsters with legs but no hands? ...tengu?) 16:52 i thought they have no hands because istr being polytrapped into one and not being able to toss a dagger up 16:52 Hmm, FWIW, the Slashem-32 tileset clearly depicts them with no arms. 16:53 aosdict: tengu normally are considered to have hands in Japanese lore. 16:53 <@riker> I don't trust slex and I'm unlikely to trust slashem 16:53 They may have beaks instead of noses, depending on the era you look at. 16:53 <@riker> aosdict: well, all birds last I checked have feet/legs but no hands... 16:54 They do appear to have arms in some other tilesets, but those are non-canonical. 16:54 In other fantasy games, they normall have arms and often use weapons. 16:54 *normally 16:55 so i tested. in 3.6 for sure you cannot throw anything 16:55 Interesting. 16:55 In that case, you may have found a bug. 16:55 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55 this is grunthack though 16:55