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mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:55 !tell Goreval of course you can make a pull request for slex, but whether I really implement it depends on whether I want it in the game, and I'm quite picky ;) 01:55 LarienTelrunya: Message from aosdict at 2018-02-08 13:27 EST: slex trap idea: an escape hatch. it looks like the down stairs but it escapes the dungeon 01:55 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 01:56 hothraxxa: "escape hatches" would already be possible to create, they're called magic portals :P when triggering one on a level that does not actually have a magic portal branch, it escapes the dungeon, even in wizard mode 01:56 (they don't generate on those levels though, because that would really be bullshit!) 02:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:06 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26 so they would be the perfect feature for slex! 02:27 nah, they wouldn't; I implemented the evilvariant mode for slex yesterday (which according to jonadab will be the most popular mode once that version goes live), and even that does not spawn magic portals randomly 02:27 that reminds me, I still need to make it so that in evilvariant mode there's elder priests instead of normal temple priests 02:28 but generally I intend to keep slex balanced and winnable; random magic portals that end the game would be bullshit! 02:29 *keep* slex balanced? 02:29 slex *isn't* balanced now 02:29 IMHO it's the most balanced nethack variant that currently exists 02:30 well 02:30 i guess that's your opinion 02:46 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law), 87818 points, T:24042, quit 02:47 !lg DemoBot 02:47 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 02:47 !lastgame DemoBot 02:47 StatueSurfer: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/DemoBot/nh343/dumplog/1518153761.nh343.txt 02:48 !tell [Demo] your bot quit 02:48 Will do, StatueSurfer! 03:07 [hdf-us] [dyn] Kaleigh (Robin) (Sam Hum Fem Law), 149 points, T:226, poisoned by a rotted jackal corpse 03:08 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:16 -!- krychu has joined #hardfought 03:25 [hdf-us] [dyn] Jen (Robin) (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 54 points, T:289, killed by kicking a wall 03:32 [hdf-us] [fh] Rambunctious Playtester (StatueSurfer) (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 36154 points, T:2455, killed by a werewolf 03:32 i hate those situations 03:32 where i'm too healthy to pray but not healthy enough to survive another turn 03:33 gotta port slex's scrolls of healing and phase door to other variants :D 03:34 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:35 aww, apparently mentioning slex can really make people flee in terror 03:49 -!- hpardis has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:49 YASI for FIQhack: when zapping a wand of wishing with insufficient skill, the computer decides what you wish for, which may or may not be something useful. 03:52 you mean EPI 04:00 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 04:03 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:03 -!- 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10:42 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:43 "had mace bestowed upon him" 10:43 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2018-01-31 20:44 EST: the message log is purely clientside on the engine, this is why they work, there was previously a bug that broke the that I fixed a while back (also in nh4 and 4k) 10:43 ais523: Message from @luxidream at 2018-02-04 22:39 EST: my file in NH4 just segfaulted after a nymph jumped down a hole 10:43 ais523: Message from @luxidream at 2018-02-04 22:40 EST: file is "nerf me", orc wizard 10:43 ais523: Message from @luxidream at 2018-02-04 22:44 EST: never mind, you probably already know about it, it's that one bug where enemies changing levels with time-sensitive items crashes the game 10:43 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2018-02-07 02:39 EST: something something getobj reminder 10:43 hmm, I don't think Beholder can send messages for Discorders, although I guess discord's own functionality works 10:44 ais523: hi! would you want to take a short survey (takes at most 5 minutes) about slex? https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/7vdmg8/a_survey_about_slashem_extended/ :) *bundlebundlebundle* 10:44 @luxidream: I vaguely thought that one was fixed, maybe not though? at any rate, you can fix it by running around offlevel until the corpse in the nymph's inventory rots 10:44 LarienTelrunya: does that not require you to have played the game? 10:45 nope, the questions are all worded such that it's possible to answer them just by having read about slex 10:50 new terrain types are the sort of thing in slex I can get behind the most 10:51 ais523: in case you just took the survey, I'm surprised you didn't check "transvestite role" at the "features considered offensive" question ;) anyway, thanks for participating! 10:51 I didn't take it yet 10:51 huh, so apparently someone else just randomly happened to take the survey right now? 10:51 me 10:51 ah, thanks! 10:52 I think the main issue with SLEX in terms of putting people off is that it has a very large number of features, with no real filter on them; and therefore, for any given person, the odds that you happen to have included at least one feature that offended them are fairly high 10:52 yes but how likely are you to end up seeing it 10:52 aosdict: that was going to be my next point, the more commonly seen the feature is, the more likely it is for someone who gets offended by it to notice it and stop playing 10:52 some people just refuse to touch slex at all because they read the nethackwiki page and stumbled upon something they consider offensive 10:53 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:53879 10:53 in addition to potential offensive features, though, I also have huge balance concerns 10:53 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "7 blessed wax candles", on T:53879 10:53 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 shield of reflection", on T:53880 10:53 well LT believes it to be the most balanced variant so... 10:53 due to different interpretations of balance 10:53 ^^ 10:54 for instance, I don't consider it unbalanced if the game can kill you in unfair ways; it's part of the slex design philosophy, i.e. the game is more or less built around the fact that sometimes the player can be killed through no fault of their own 10:55 I generally think that roguelikes should be designed to be won, but to make you go through a lot of effort/creativity working out how 10:55 actually this is my opinion for all games, not just roguelikes 10:55 well, scaling the amount of effort, presumably. you can have a short fun game. 10:56 thing is, few of the evil things in slex kill the player outright, and it's up to the player to try to find a way to come out on top; sometimes there is no such way, but more often than not there is ;) 10:56 aosdict: fair enough, although I tend to personally prefer longer games 10:56 I also personally prefer high-headroom games, i.e. games which give you the scope to do your own thing without punishing you for it, even if it's not technically optimal 10:56 and I'd restrict this to single-player games with a defined win condition, though that's getting a bit pedantic 10:56 aosdict: OK, yes 10:56 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 10:57 although I'd also allow games with an undefined win condition but in which you can reasonably define your own 10:57 e.g. beating your high score in a tetris-alike 10:57 !tell LarienTelrunya ok larien wtf why did you make the elder priest's tentashit attack even stupider in slex 10:57 Will do, rikersan! 10:57 and of course some of the evil things in slex are designed specifically to make the player wish their character were dead instead; of course it's easy to say "screw this, #quit", but those who tough it out obviously have a better chance at winning 10:57 LarienTelrunya: Message from rikersan at 2018-02-09 10:57 EST: ok larien wtf why did you make the elder priest's tentashit attack even stupider in slex 10:57 hi rikersan! well clearly the dnethack elder priest was too weak, so I beefed him up for slex. 10:57 "You can't. It is cursed." 10:57 ais523: that's a custom win condition :) 10:58 people do custom win conditions in NetHack too 10:58 which nearly always involve ascension at some point, although technically they don't have to 10:58 ais523: https://alt.org/nethack/dudley/?494 10:59 aosdict: yes, that's what I was referencing, thanks for finding the link for me 10:59 although I assumed it was on one of the older Dudley's Dungeon sites rather than paxed's 11:00 I feel like there are several more good potential strips with "You can't. It is cursed." as the punchline 11:06 it's a good line 11:07 ooh, https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/7vlce3/w/dtwin0m/ has some interesting alternate amnesia ideas 11:08 particularly evil is transferring player-provided object class calls... 11:09 quite a few of those break the interhack principle 11:09 though several don't hold up to the interhack principle 11:09 yeah 11:09 incidentally, Slash'EM has a trap which randomizes inventory letters (not even Extended) 11:09 but it basically never goes off because for some reason turning on the fixinv option changes its effect 11:09 and fixinv is on by default and basically nobody turns it off 11:12 slex has a scroll of instant amnesia that will give the amnesia effect upon trying to pick it up, and be destroyed in the process without identifying itself, plus it has a chance of randomizing the appearances of all items :D 11:16 LarienTelrunya: belated hello, was afk 11:16 and hm ok I guess that makes slex sense 11:17 remember that the elder priest is completely optional, unlike the dnethack one, so he can be arbitrarily difficult ;) 11:17 that is true 11:17 I still wish you gave houchou a 100% kill chance / hit chance 11:17 I feel like being able to cheese the stupid guy but then having a worse result _is_ the slex way 11:18 did you try to houchou him in wizmode? 11:18 YASI: a fake houchou that instahits and instakills the enemy you throw it at, but the enemy resurrects a couple of turns later 11:18 (hmm, in a way this is a reverse of PMD's fake amulet of lifesaving equivalent…) 11:20 LarienTelrunya: not yet, I'm writing stupid nethack / not nethack code 11:20 what's the fake aols? 11:21 rikersan: reviser seed (the real aols is reviver seed) 11:21 -!- krychu_ has joined #hardfought 11:25 -!- krychu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:35 <[Demo]> I like the name not nethack 11:35 [Demo]: Message from StatueSurfer at 2018-02-09 02:48 EST: your bot quit 11:45 <[Demo]> !tell StatueSurfer not my bot not my problem 11:45 Will do, [Demo]! 11:46 <[Demo]> ain't not quitter my son 11:46 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 24894 points, T:9419, killed by a dwarf lord, while sleeping 11:47 -!- krychu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48 -!- krychu has joined #hardfought 11:50 anybody know where the curse func is handled in the nh source? 11:50 I can find rndcurse but not curse 11:50 "not nethack"? 11:50 unnethack? 11:50 rikersan: try mkobj.c? 11:51 is where I think the straight up curse() function is 11:51 thanks 11:52 [hdf-us] [nd] ellipsis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 silver dagger", on T:37122 11:52 also, since it might matter to ais523 at least: fairly certain magicbane doesn't block fountain curses where it probably should 11:53 rikersan: it's not clear exactly what magicbane is intended to do in that respect 11:53 [hdf-us] [nd] ellipsis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:37129 11:53 ais523: I assumed it was "block any curses" 11:53 you can make an argument that it blocks cursing spells, and cursed water cursing things is not a spell even if it comes from a fountain 11:53 oh, is that the logic behind that? 11:54 the fountain water being cursed? 11:54 I always wonder 11:54 *wondered.. 11:54 it might be 11:54 It doesn't block dipping into unholy water, after all. 11:54 one problem with NetHack is that the flavour decisions are usually unrecorded and might not have existed in the first place 11:54 that is true, but that's also directed jonadab 11:54 you choose to curse things like that (generally) 11:54 You also choose to mess with fountains. Or not. 11:55 I recommend not. 11:55 this is a similar argument to !oPoly bypassing magic resistance, come to think of it 11:55 that's true 11:55 (Well, except dipping for Excalibur. That is _worth_ the risk.) 11:55 ais523: this is why all new commits made for flavor reasons should record that in the commit message :) 11:55 -!- krychu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:55 jonadab: is it really? I've rarely done it 11:55 if not by outright commenting the code 11:56 I've never really needed excalibur and always found grayswandir far superior (and worth a wish) 11:56 rikersan: yeah but excalibur is _significantly_ more reliable to acquire in the early game. 11:57 aosdict: my commit messages to NetHack are really detailed for this sort of reason 11:57 that's true 11:57 partly it's so that if someone disagrees they can at least see my reasoning 11:58 rikersan: I don't consider grayswandir worth a wish; it's good but I tend to consider weapon wishes to be a waste 11:58 there are so many weapons that are good enough 11:59 I guess 12:00 worth it for tourist at least tho imo 12:00 unless you get mjollnir or magicbane I guess 12:03 tou can use basically anything 12:03 it might be worth sacfesting for a decent artifact if you don't find one on the ground 12:03 there are a lot to choose from 12:13 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 86 points, T:95, burned by molten lava 12:19 woohoo! key of access get! 12:21 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law), 8591172 points, T:61366, poisoned by Demogorgon 12:25 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Arc Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:8502 12:27 ^ nice message 12:27 is that the natural livelog or k2's work 12:29 Tangles, I think 12:29 that's K2 and Tangles shenanigans 12:32 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Arc Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:8656 12:38 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 12:38 . 12:38 Chris_ANG: Message from @riker at 2018-02-07 20:55 EST: what the fuck. I got fire resistance from a corpse, it timed out, and took my half dragon resistance with it..... >.> (I'm a fire breathing dude) 12:38 Chris_ANG: Message from @riker at 2018-02-08 11:04 EST: also, looks like that "corpse overrides extrinsic/perm intrinsic" thing happens for artifacts too. Cloak of the Unheld One is supposed to give sleep resis, but I didn't get it, since I ate an elf and my sleep resis timed out. 12:38 :S 12:40 -!- firemonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:41 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 12:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 12:41 -!- krychu has joined #hardfought 12:45 -!- krychu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:46 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 12:46 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 12:54 Chris_ANG: looks like it can someitmes (sometimes) be fixed by taking the extrinsic item (i.e. cloak) on and off again 12:54 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:57 -!- Goreval has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:59 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:05 !who 13:05 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] DemoBot [nh] mightyquinn [sp] Eleven [nd] 13:05 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] Goreval [slex] AmyBSOD [slex] elenmirie [nd] pondlife [nd] 13:06 !tell rikersan That is probably messaging weirdness, rather than an actual loss of the resistance. The messages go by your intrinsics, which would not count extrinsic resistances like that granted by the Cloak. Also, Half Dragon resistance is handled oddly, which would lead to message weirdness :/ 13:06 Will do, Chris_ANG! 13:11 -!- Goreval has joined #hardfought 13:21 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:38 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 13:38 -!- noty has quit [Client Quit] 13:39 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 13:54 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 7727 points, T:6414, killed by a hill orc, while sleeping 14:00 [hdf-us] [dyn] TenCkah (Luxidream) (Pri Hum Mal Law), 51919 points, T:16186, killed by a wraith, while paralyzed by a monster 14:09 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:21 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:22 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 14:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 14:35 awesome 14:37 woohoo she dropped 6 healing potions :) 14:42 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Arc Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14126 14:54 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:03 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:23542 15:04 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:23542 15:04 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:23546 15:04 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "7 blessed wax candles", on T:23556 15:04 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 speed boots", on T:23557 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 uncursed scrolls of genocide", on T:23608 15:10 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) had athame named Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:17963 15:10 \o/ 15:19 EPI: scroll of death. You read it, you die. 15:20 that violates the no poison rule though 15:21 incidentally, the original implementation of slex's potion of cyanide was exactly that: you die outright, even with poison resistance; I changed it so that it deals lots of HP and strength damage when quaffed but generally not so much that you'll die 15:24 What about a potion of arsenic? You drink it, "This tastes like almonds." But it adds rnz(50) to u.uarsenic, and if your arsenic level goes over some random amount determined at game start, you die. 15:24 And then poisoned darts and arrows could also increment it! 15:24 (But by only one point each hit.) 15:24 heh, maybe poisoned darts would increment a counter and if it gets high enough, "The poison was deadly..."? 15:25 "You die of long-term overexposure to cumulative poisons." 15:25 and a potion of arsenic would increase it by much more in one quaff? would monsters be able to throw it at you for similar effect? 15:25 If they threw it at you, that'd be a lot less exposure than if you quaff it. 15:25 Maybe 10% as much, tops. 15:26 Also, why don't cobra bites drain your Int? RL cobra venom is a neurotoxin... 15:27 added it (the cobra bite) to my to-do list :) 15:28 heck, I should just make cobras whose bite is so poisonous, it drains all of your abilities at once! 15:29 That'd be a dire snake. 15:29 ah, that's a good name for it, thanks 15:30 it will be rare of course, since such a poison attack is rather nasty (obviously) 15:47 -!- isha has quit [] 15:48 -!- isha has joined #hardfought 15:49 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 15:51 jonadab: arsenic does get removed from the body eventually though, right? 15:52 unlike lead and other heavy metals that just accumulate in the body 16:00 aosdict: Oh, does it? I thought it was a cumulative poison, but I haven't really studied the issue. 16:01 But maybe that's compared to things like cyanide, which do whatever they're going to do in the first few hours after exposure. 16:06 I do think arsenic sticks around a while, but it does eventually leave the body, unlike heavy metals, which... just don't. 16:09 Goreval: I'm watching you play; is there a specific reason why you're not wearing armor? That mage plate mail in particular is very probably much better than the leather jacket; you can use a standard id scroll on it to make sure it doesn't have a nasty enchantment 16:11 aosdict: Ah, ok. 16:12 EPI: cursed armor increases its weight every time you get hit. 16:13 EPI: monsters can throw potions of unholy water at you to curse your armor. 16:13 haha, that would be doubly evil, since it would use up valuable water in the process 16:13 i like that 16:14 fiq: does fiqhack have something like that? throwing potions of holy/unholy water to bless/curse/uncurse armor of an enemy/friend? 16:14 maybe even throw it straight up so it lands on yourself 16:15 <@Tone> aosdict I thought heavy metals left the body too, albeit slowly 16:15 <@Tone> Maybe that is only specific metals 16:15 Well, _everything_ would eventually, but for some things the rate is so slow as to be irrelevant during your lifetime. 16:16 I was thinking there was one element that would get put into the bones in place of calcium and stay there more or less indefinitely, barring severe osteoporosis. 16:16 <@Tone> heh, I guess that's true 16:18 -!- isha has quit [Quit: Updating details, brb] 16:19 -!- isha has joined #hardfought 16:24 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 16:27 -!- ellipsis has joined #hardfought 16:28 -!- ellipsis has quit [Client Quit] 16:31 jonadab: I know there's some element besides lead which was infamous for just that. Cadmium I think. 16:38 jonadab: that arsenic thing is very similar to the way radiation works in ZAPM 16:40 I mean your idea for it, not the way it works in real life, which I don't know 16:41 although I do remember something about, in the 1920s, there were pills marketed that, when taken daily, would redden the lips and cheeks 16:41 if you took them regularly, you would eventually die, because these were some of the symptoms of arsenic poisoning 16:45 Ouch. 16:46 around the same time, they were putting tapeworm eggs in diet pills 16:46 they did work 16:47 ah, the free market! What a paradise 16:58 but you do get very thin if you have a tapeworm inside you! it works! 17:00 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 helm of telepathy", on T:33013 17:00 raisse: as I said, it did work! 17:00 here's a good article (american source) on the subject of harmful cosmetics over the ages: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22546056/ns/health/t/suffering-beauty-has-ancient-roots/ 17:03 heh, heh, once when I was in acting school, we were doing the Elizabethan period (you know, Shakespeare)... and we had to do papers on the culture of the time. Mine was on sugar and how women with less money would black their teeth to make it look like they were richer and could afford sugar 17:03 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:04 it was very in to be missing a couple of teeth to rot 17:04 oh wow 17:04 sort of puts you off fashion forever :D 17:05 * raisse squirrels away culture fact to use in fiction if applicable 17:05 :) 17:05 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Hea Gno Fem Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:48200 17:05 they also used lead makeup, but that's probably a more well-known fact 17:05 yay a gnome healer 17:05 to look really pale 17:05 yep, know that 17:05 Gnome gnation! 17:06 I'm a gnome arc atm 17:07 huh, I didn't know kohl was antimony 17:07 (went down a shallow wikipedia rabbit hole) 17:08 I think it was many things... including that 17:08 there's no such thing as a shallow rabbit hole :D 17:09 well, I only went down a little way 17:09 lol 17:09 i had a girl like that once 17:09 like what? 17:10 only went down a little way 17:10 oh! 17:10 lol 17:10 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 17:15 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Arc Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:21671 17:17 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Arc Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:21673 17:24 . 17:24 rikersan: Message from Chris_ANG at 2018-02-09 13:06 EST: That is probably messaging weirdness, rather than an actual loss of the resistance. The messages go by your intrinsics, which would not count extrinsic resistances like that granted by the Cloak. Also, Half Dragon resistance is handled oddly, which would lead to message weirdness :/ 17:25 Chris_ANG: no it's not it's actually removing them 17:25 I kept getting slept by the stupid quinons 17:26 !tell Chris_ANG Chris_ANG: no it's not it's actually removing them, I kept getting slept by the stupid quinons 17:26 Will do, rikersan! 17:26 Hm. I tested and it didn't. 17:26 Chris_ANG: Message from rikersan at 2018-02-09 17:26 EST: Chris_ANG: no it's not it's actually removing them, I kept getting slept by the stupid quinons 17:27 I wonder if there is a separate bug with quinons specifically. 17:27 no, sleeping gas trap too (valley) 17:27 (Also, it CAN'T, half dragons get their resistance directly from the variable that tracks their breath weapon) 17:27 ... 17:27 I was fire breathing this was sleep 17:28 Oh 17:28 fire was buggy too but that may have not reproed 17:28 That's different 17:28 yes 17:28 it's a problem with perm intrinsics / extrinsics vs timed out intrinsics 17:28 I think 17:30 Chris_ANG: can you repro that? :/ 17:30 (fwiw, the cloak of the unheld was my sleep resis, so who knows maybe you just changed that) 17:31 The half dragon/breath weapon bug reproduces, and is a message bug. 17:31 ah ok good 17:31 that's hard to test, since fire stills burns gear :/ 17:32 looks like the unheld one just doesn't grant sleep resis anymore? 17:32 I wasn't clear on the other thing, so I haven't tested. From my code inspection, there's no reason why an intrinsic timing out SHOULD change your other intrinsics, but that's not the same as saying it DOESN'T XD 17:32 ah ok cool 17:32 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:35345 17:34 Hm 17:34 CARY(AD_SLEE) 17:34 So it SHOULD give sleep resistance. 17:35 but that's the bug then lol 17:37 Confirmed: it doesn't 17:39 Blarg, where are the "while carried" artifact extrinsics even handled? 17:40 OOOh 17:41 The carry-handling code is not general, and lacks a case for sleep. 17:47 that makes more sense now 17:50 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:52 Chris_ANG: also, progress bar for 3.15.2? 17:53 or are we windows and stuck at one second remaining 17:55 We are windows 17:57 YASI: progress bar for nethack. Increases mainly with experience and when you pick up ascension kit worthy items. 17:59 Chris_ANG: lol ok then 18:01 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:01 Amy stings the horse. It explodes! The manes looks confused. 18:02 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:38168 18:15 is demobot just walking around randomly? 18:15 probably 18:16 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 18:16 its part of its strategy to confuse and distract 18:17 whose strategy? slex's? 18:17 StatueSurfer: Message from [Demo] at 2018-02-09 11:45 EST: not my bot not my problem 18:17 sorry 18:17 thought it was your bot 18:18 no, no one here wrote it 18:18 well i mean 18:18 but when you run an instance of it, you can name it 18:18 i figured it was the bot he was using so i thought he might care 18:18 ah 18:20 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:21644 18:20 also whose strategy "to confuse and distract" were you talking about when i came in 18:20 the bot 18:21 side note - i got my fake teeth today! 18:27 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28 k2: it seems that in grunthack, polymorphing a pet with a trap wears off, am i right? 18:28 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 18:29 no i dont think so 18:29 however 18:29 and this is true for monsters now as well as the player 18:29 actually they do, i see it in the change notes 18:29 if you kill a polymorphed monster/shapechanger, instead of dying, it reverts to its natural form 18:29 yeah i've seen that a lot 18:30 ok so i guess polymorphed pets have a timer 18:30 anyway the way i read the wiki is that poly times out for a polymorphed pet 18:30 i usually dont use pets so that's something i wasnt really aware of 18:30 well i have charm monster 18:30 ah 18:31 so i charmed some zombies and started using this poly trap 18:31 the mine zombies are much easier if you can reliably cast charm monster 18:33 i liked it in fiqhack when i charmed a zombie and it enslaved a bunch of other corpses, it got pretty funny 18:33 not sure if fiq changed that 18:33 heh 18:33 cue undead army 18:33 oh yeah 18:34 i was ready for bruce! 18:34 [hdf-us] [nh] DemoBot (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3449592 points, T:39907, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/DemoBot/nh343/dumplog/1518196915.nh343.txt 18:34 wooo 18:35 i need to watch evil dead again 18:41 ok grunthack has serious issues with pets and pet hunger 18:42 like what 18:42 i had a troll that polyed into a bone devil. while it was a bone devil, it still ate 18:42 er 18:42 yeah that's a problem 18:43 or maybe not. it would move around but when i tried to go upstairs, it stayed behind because it was sill eating 18:43 that's not in vanilla, so grunthack somehow added it 18:43 only pets aren't supposed to move while eating 18:43 yeah. in grunthack, you can kill your pet by throwing it a treat 18:43 it'll choke 18:44 although it won't eat voluntarily, which i know now to watch for 18:44 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44 anyway, it goes on. my bone devil went back to being a troll 18:44 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 18:45 i tried going upstairs and it was eating. that's ok for a troll 18:45 so i went back down and waited and went up when it moved. the first time it was still eating but the second time it followed me up 18:45 then it hit me because it was confused from hunger 18:47 yeah that makes perfect sense... 18:48 -!- krychu_ has joined #hardfought 18:49 hothraxxa: it took me so long to find and fix/remove all the Grunthack pet satiation code from AceHack 18:49 players tend to get upset when they throw their pet some food and it dies as a result 18:49 so i threw tripe at the troll, who didn't touch it 18:49 yeah, that would be me 18:49 then my fire giant pet ate the tripe 18:49 i think that's wrong too 18:49 i think that would be most people 18:50 "i tried to increase my pet's apport, but then it died" 18:50 it's happened to me twice 18:51 grunthack is not nice. i really hate those door traps 18:51 hothraxxa: honestly, pets eating themselves to death off the floor wouldn't be out of place in grunthack. 18:52 well at least then you'd get the hint that pet satiation could be deadly 18:52 i have to admit that the first time it happened, i didn't really have a grasp of grunthack and pets 18:53 -!- krychu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:53 basically, gh doesn't want you to have a pet 18:53 ais523: i'd be very interested in what you did to fix the pet satiation code for grunthack 18:53 K2: basically tried to find and delete it 18:53 heh 18:54