00:08 i had an idea for the demon lords in my heavily-disregarded variant 00:08 which was to give all of them lairs, and make the no-teleport aspect of the levels be removed when they were killed 00:10 I think I've seen the idea of removing no-teleport kicking around before 00:10 yeah it was jonadab's idea 00:11 to make it less tedious 00:21 and my other idea was to have each demon lord be carrying a special candle of invocation 00:22 so then you'd get all 7 candles and light the candelabrum with them 00:23 wasn't that something Chris_ANG wanted to do? 00:23 that i have no idea 00:30 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 00:39 well at least that nymph ID'd enchant armor scrolls for me 00:39 after stealing my entire inventory 00:46 positive enchantment always adds 10 value to an object right? 00:48 -!- Menche has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:49 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 00:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:55 um 00:55 i'm playing fiqhack 00:55 and the game just printed a pink "!" 00:55 and forced me to tab through it 00:56 now i'm a little bit worried 00:57 <@luxidream> what do you mean? 00:57 because being forced to tab through a message usually means it's important 00:58 <@luxidream> hm, I can't view previous messages on watchmode 00:58 but that was all that was on the line 00:58 just a pink "!" 00:58 the previous messages were just "you hear some noises in the distance" 00:58 maybe you lost a pet 00:58 <@luxidream> weird 00:59 <@luxidream> ask FIQ when he wakes up 00:59 it's 7 am in sweden, fiq may be around soon 00:59 i'm riding my only pet 00:59 <@luxidream> flump I'm actually playing dyna 00:59 <@luxidream> it's pretty fun 00:59 nice! 01:00 okay it was informing me of zombies on the level 01:00 bringing back corpses 01:01 <@luxidream> that's useful info, actually 01:03 your inventory window spills past your window window O_o 01:03 http://i.imgur.com/xYOAXue.png 01:03 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:05 liking the black market? 01:05 that's a damn lotta things to look at 01:05 <@luxidream> it's all right. I like the second version better 01:05 <@luxidream> there's one with eight shops 01:05 and they're ALL too expensive to buy 01:05 gnite all 01:05 good night k2 01:05 <@luxidream> night K2 01:07 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 01:09 <@luxidream> now I can actually hit things 01:09 <@luxidream> about time 01:10 can you hit one-eyed sam? :D 01:11 <@luxidream> not with -20 to-hit I can't 01:12 eyes actually seem nicely convenient 01:14 <@luxidream> what kinda castle is this 01:15 now i know: in fiqhack, zapping a wand of opening straight down while riding removes your steed's saddle 01:16 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 01:17 https://github.com/tung/DynaHack/blob/unnethack/libnitrohack/dat/castle.des#L474 01:19 <@luxidream> somehow don't have any wands of striking 01:19 <@luxidream> guess I gotta go buy from one eyed scam 01:19 at only a 1000% markup! 01:20 <@luxidream> it's 100x 01:20 <@luxidream> so 10000% 01:20 even better 01:20 <@luxidream> I did buy my towel from sam 01:21 <@luxidream> 1250 zm, surprisingly affordable 01:22 <@luxidream> shoot, I'm 2500 zm short 01:22 <@luxidream> time to sell the eyes 01:22 $$$alibur 01:22 > sell the eyes 01:23 seems legit 01:23 sell a source of MR for force bolt 01:23 d:23 could have a much shorter stair-stair walk 01:24 you know what'd be cool 01:24 if the game actually told you when monsters were fleeing 01:29 <@luxidream> what's a stone dragon 02:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] flump (Hea Inc Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1609 02:11 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 02:13 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 02:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:30 -!- deadnoob has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:31 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 02:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:42 !tell K2 http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.21/clans/kamikatze.html 02:42 Will do, rumflump! 03:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:18 -!- Crawldragon has joined #hardfought 03:49 -!- Crawldragon has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [SeaMonkey 2.49.1/20171016030418]] 04:00 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:04 -!- rumflump has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:35 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 04:48 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:50 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:56 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 05:47 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 06:24 -!- Setneicum has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:48 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:09 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:23 -!- nht has quit [Quit: nht] 08:25 a message line with nothing but a ! is generally a debug line 08:25 I guess I forgot to remove one somewhere 08:28 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 08:29 !tell K2 minor fix 08:29 Will do, FIQ! 08:33 @luxidream a stone dragon breathes lava and confers stone res 08:35 rumflump: I am not awake 7am on a Sunday 09:28 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 09:33 -!- firemonkey has joined #hardfought 10:01 <@luxidream> why is the dcss tourney so much bigger 10:03 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:13 @luxidream as opposed to? Junethack? 10:13 DCSS has a much bigger online community 10:14 a lot of NetHack players play offline 10:14 compare nethack.org and whatever the "main" dcss page is 10:14 nethack.org doesn't even mention online play at all 10:14 dcss has a large "play online" push 10:15 <@luxidream> I see 10:15 <@luxidream> a server that offered easy tiles play could probably draw a decent amount of players 10:16 I want to look into webtiles some day 10:17 me too, but it's waaaaaaay down on the priorities list 10:17 same 10:18 <@luxidream> the possibility of server play on a phone without having to deal with an absurdly small screen and vikeys would also help 10:18 <@luxidream> I think a lot of people play on phones these days, gurr's app is pretty good 10:19 @luxidream I have also toyed with the idea of pitching a new nethack.org site to the devteam. But it will be hard to satisfy 1) pages should look good to the standard consumer's browser 2) pages should look good with CSS disabled 3) convincing them that the site is actually really terrible in the first place. 10:20 I've considered making a fiqhack page just for fun 10:20 it wouldn't be hard to make something superior to devteam's page I think 10:27 NetHack 3.6.1-dev updated (us and eu) 10:27 K2: Message from rumflump at 2018-01-21 02:42 EST: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.21/clans/kamikatze.html 10:27 K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-01-21 08:29 EST: minor fix 10:27 \o/ 10:28 FIQhack updated (us and eu) 10:30 heh clan K2 10:31 this site looks suspiciously like Mandevil's scoreboard 10:41 !tell ais523 NetHack 3.6.1-dev on hdf is updated as of a few min prior to this message 10:41 Will do, K2! 10:42 YANI: you can read the label on tins. Player-made tins have no label, but random ones will occasionally say what's actually in them and otherwise just say a funny message. 10:42 [hdf-us] [dyn] hothraxxa (Kni Hum Mal Law), 938 points, T:10497, killed by Mr. Donmyar, the shopkeeper, while sleeping 10:43 well i think that plan sucked 10:51 <@luxidream> why were you trying to murder people 10:51 <@luxidream> play chaotic for that 10:52 oh this is hilarious 10:53 so i tried to a)pply k (my key) to unlock the door 10:53 somehow i just typed k and crashed through donmyar's door 10:54 as far as i can make out, the soldier hit me with a wand of sleep and dyna sleep resistance was worthless 10:54 and he and mr. donmyar took turns until i was dead 10:56 ugh 10:57 <@luxidream> 😦 10:59 i thought it was funny 11:05 -!- firemonkey has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 11:20 !tell ais523 getobj reminder etc 11:20 Will do, FIQ! 11:25 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Gno Fem Neu) received advice from The Oracle, on T:4053 11:31 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Gno Fem Neu), 44015 points, T:4557, killed by a rothe 11:33 [hdf-us] [fh] freeze (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 32320 points, T:7843, killed by a fire ant 12:12 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 12:40 <@luxidream> wow, demogorgon is actually a legitimate threat in dyna 12:40 <@luxidream> he was still doubling me at very fast 12:40 is... is there some variant where he is not a legitimate threat? 12:40 <@luxidream> burned all my AoLS 12:40 @?Demogorgon 12:40 Demogorgon (&) | Lvl: 106 | Diff: 57 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 95 | Generates: unique | AC: -8 | Attacks: 8d6 cast spell, 1d4 sting level drain, 1d6 claw disease, 1d6 claw disease | Alignment: -20 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, demon, stalker, covetous, infravisible 12:40 <@luxidream> vanilla 12:40 unnethack stats 12:40 should be similar in dyna 12:42 <@luxidream> I feel like he's easier in vanilla 12:42 <@luxidream> I've had to fight him twice out of three runs so far in dyna 12:43 I appreciate how you're playing dyna, which is announced in red, and irssi happens to be coloring rld red 12:44 heh 12:44 a lot of red 12:47 <@luxidream> so this time, he was summoned through summon nasties, which made me think 12:47 <@luxidream> in FIQhack, can you get a tame demogorgon or yeenoghu by spamming summon nasties? 12:48 <@luxidream> a 12:48 in vanilla, covetous monsters can only ever be peaceful, which is probably also true in fiqhack 12:48 unless there's some bug loophole that allows it 12:50 summon nasties will not summon demon lords if it would have been made tame 12:55 <@luxidream> @?Cthulhu 12:55 Cthulhu (h) | Lvl: 106 | Diff: 58 | Spd: 15 | Res: sleep disintegrate poison acid petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 95 | Generates: unique | AC: -8 | Attacks: 4d6 cast spell, 6d8 claw physical, 4d10 bite physical, 6d6 hug physical, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 0d0 gaze confuse | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, swims, amphibious, breathless, thick hide, regenerates, seeinvis, teleports, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous 12:56 @?Great Cthulhu 12:56 No such monster. 12:56 @d?Great Cthulhu 12:56 Great Cthulhu (&) | Lvl: 100 | Diff: 51 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire cold disintegrate shock poison acid petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 127 | Generates: unique | AC: 0 | Attacks: 100d4 claw physical, 1d10 gaze wisdom, 8d8 passive poison | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, flies, swims, seeinvis, metallivore, nopoly 12:57 @luxidream Cthulhu in dyna will not give amnesia I think 12:58 <@luxidream> but Un does? 12:58 yes, of course 12:59 <@luxidream> strange how Un made a big deal about removing the scroll yet doesn't seem to care about flayer amnesia 12:59 because it's such a great game mechanic 12:59 it removed flayer amnesia 12:59 but gave it to cthulhu 12:59 <@luxidream> because the best time to forget maps is right before the ascension run 13:00 I think that was the point. 13:00 Not a *good* point, but a point. 13:04 Is there a demon lord named Molek in dnethack? 13:04 @d?molek 13:04 molek ~2~ monk (@) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 2 | Generates: special | AC: 10 | Attacks: 1d8 claw physical, 1d8 weapon physical, 1d8 kick physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: herbivore, nopoly, infravisible 13:04 @le?molek 13:04 Molek (&) | Lvl: 90 | Diff: 75 | Spd: 6 | Res: fire cold disintegrate poison petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 100 | Generates: unique | AC: -20 | Attacks: 4d2 weapon physical, 4d2 claw physical, 9d1 butt stun, 6d6 bite lava, 1d88 suicide explode fire | Alignment: 20 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, demon, stalker, covetous, infravisible 13:04 yeah it is in dnh 13:04 hmm, could have sworn he's from dnethack... I guess he's a deferred feature and the bot doesn't know about those 13:04 pinobot is just outdated 13:05 does he have a lair? 13:05 dunno 13:05 ask someone who play dnh more than I 13:05 [Demo]: wake up! :D does Molek have a lair in dnethack? 13:06 Is it some sort of weaker, killable Moloch? 13:06 also, isn't Molek just a different spelling from Moloch? 13:06 The encyclopedia spells it Molech. 13:06 (Which, I'm pretty sure the -ch sound is intended to be pronounced -k.) 13:06 <@luxidream> found you, faker! 13:15 @luxidream grats 13:16 [hdf-us] [dyn] Larien Telphoneya (Luxidream) (Mon Hum Fem Law), 773464 points, T:60161, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dynahack/dumplog/2018-01-21%2013_16_22%2C%20Larien%20Telphoneya-Mon-Hum-Fem-Law%2C%20ascended.txt 13:16 lol 13:16 faker? 13:17 <[Demo]> nice 13:18 !streak Luxidream 13:18 FIQ: Luxidream Max[nh]: 1 (2017-06-25 - 2017-06-28). 13:18 <@luxidream> does it not track because dyna has multiple saves? 13:20 ep 13:20 correct 13:20 *yep 13:20 <@luxidream> in any case, dyna is better than FH, because it is has paranoid_trap 13:20 <@luxidream> 😛 13:20 <@luxidream> it has* 13:20 * FIQ brandishes a wand of fire threateningly 13:21 Mandevil: could there be a "variants" filter? like the "all" filter https://scoreboard.xd.cm/streaks.all.html but sans 343/36x. mb the inverse (a vanilla filter) too? 13:21 fire wands are the employer's natural response to striking wands 13:21 lux, other things you dig about dyna? 13:21 aosdict: Heh 13:22 <@luxidream> if you play a role with body armor skills the game gives you AC for literally existing 13:22 that sounds silly 13:22 <@luxidream> obviously monk is restricted, but that didn't stop me 13:22 ...did you unrestrict it? 13:23 <@luxidream> no, how was I supposed to do that 13:23 I like a lot of the buffed "junk artis" in dyna. though they come from Un I'm not as likely to play Un any time soon 13:23 <@luxidream> wield a dwarvish mithril coat while crowning? 13:23 lol 13:23 <@luxidream> I did crown for excal though, very early 13:23 I don't think that works, just thought "didn't stop me" meant you found a way to get the skill 13:23 <@luxidream> I hate martial arts 13:24 <@luxidream> no I did not get the skill 13:24 https://scoreboard.xd.cm/streaks.dyn.html is counting it at least 13:25 YANI: after you're crowned, your character gains a literal ethereal crown above their head. Monsters of much lower level than you must pass a resistance roll against fleeing just from seeing you. 13:25 aosdict: been playing dom4 have you? 13:25 no, what's that 13:26 <@luxidream> that'd just be annoying, then you'd have to chase them 13:26 dom4? 13:26 @luxidream that's if you want to kill them, which for weak monsters you probably don't. 13:27 aosdict: http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Awe 13:27 man, why have all the other roguelikes not gotten off wikia yet :P 13:27 turn based strategy game that has a kitchen sink approach to including various fantasy/mythological nations and gods and magics 13:27 not roguelike 13:28 FIQ: perhaps crowning should have some extra restrictions on it, like you need to have gotten pretty far through the game (completed quest? entered gehennom from valley?) before your god is ready to do that. 13:29 (I'm assuming this in a system that doesn't base crowning on Luck.) 13:30 <@luxidream> crowning is only good early to midgame though 13:30 <@luxidream> there would have to be some extra benefit to consider doing it lategame 13:30 Yeah, but I don't think your character should really deserve it early game. 13:31 <@luxidream> then how will I get my poison resistance 😦 13:31 YANI: confused genocide doesn't genocide you. Instead, it sets a level flag that prevents regular monster spawns on that level for the remainder of the game. 13:32 FIQ didja see the idea to make crowning require an altar? so you can avoid it by making all your holy waters after the first one by dipping stacks, no juggling a luckstone around. ALSO, more importantly, this prevents emergency prayers from being turned into crowning prayers that kill you :D 13:33 emergency prayers will always override favours 13:33 ah, I musta miscalculated 1/7 hp when I was in that air elemental 13:34 "about to die? here's another random sword, good luck" 13:34 rumflump: have you seen this? https://etherpad.net/p/NetHack_Religion%2C_Alignment%2C_and_Luck 13:34 ideas for religion stuff that aren't ready to build into a proposal yet 13:36 that's a lot of words 13:37 <@luxidream> so gods no longer give artifacts under this proposal? 13:37 yes they do 13:37 <@luxidream> or are extremely unlikely to give them 13:37 and it's not a proposal 13:37 yes they doyet 13:37 yet* 13:38 * aosdict points and curses at the trackpad. 13:40 @luxidream the way I envision it is that you do generally need to butter up your god with sacrifices before they'll give you an artifact. if you give them 1-2 sacrifices and then pray for a gift, they'll be like "uh OK... here, have a wand of cold" 13:41 <@luxidream> okay, so you have a way to get somewhat useful items early on without wasting a bunch of time 13:41 <@luxidream> and you can come back later with more resources and sac for something good 13:41 yes, without the RNGness of "I sacced a newt on a lucky DL1 altar and got Magicbane" 13:43 <@luxidream> would there still be the problem of getting bad artifacts that decrease the chance of getting anything useable 13:44 <@luxidream> the giantslayer --> trollsbane --> werebane --> ogresmasher downward spiral that leads to 20k+ turns of farming 13:44 in a system like this... probably I would only track and reduce odds on wished-for artifacts. 13:47 note that I also want to do stuff that will thwart 20k+ turns of farming, namely: remove the spellbook of create monster. 13:48 <[Demo]> thats such a superficial fix 13:50 <@luxidream> 20k+ turns of farming happens because players don't have that spellbook though 13:51 how else do you farm for that long? I guess the monster generation rate is high enough so that you can get enough nutrition off sitting around and waiting for spawns? 13:51 <@luxidream> slow digestion 13:52 <@luxidream> eating the occasional owlbear or wolf also can sustain you for a while, but not forever 13:53 don't people pray while altar farming? 13:53 for nutrition 13:53 unrelatedly, am still confused as to why you said 'found you, faker!' 13:53 <@luxidream> that's risky, I've died doingthat before 13:53 see 13:54 <@luxidream> you can get a ridiculously long timeout with rnz 13:54 in my unfinished nutrition overhaul proposal, I declared =oSD to be acceptable because that's the entire point of the item 13:54 <@luxidream> and the longer you farm, the more likely this is to happen 13:54 but not if it allows indefinite altar farming 13:55 <@luxidream> If there's an overhaul that makes obtaining useable artifacts more consistent, like the one you mentioned 13:55 <@luxidream> then there's no need for altar farming 13:56 <@luxidream> rumflump: they were talking about molech from dnh and moloch 13:56 well, another idea on this pad is that chaotic gods just grant you whatever, so it *would* be less consistent for chaotics 13:57 <@luxidream> yeah, I didn't like that idea 13:57 <@luxidream> law is strong enough as it is 13:59 !tell K2 when was the last build of 361dev prior to the one today? 13:59 Will do, elenmirie! 14:00 elenmirie: dec 13 14:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:09 elenmirie: December 13th 14:09 !tell K2 Pushed a small update to FIQHack that implements having to use 'm' to move into harmful traps (traps that may hurt you or your inventory) 14:09 Will do, FIQ! 14:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:14 <@luxidream> lol 14:14 [hdf-us] [nd] ellipsis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed scroll of genocide", on T:36546 14:15 just one? 14:15 [hdf-us] [nd] ellipsis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class R), on T:36546 14:16 YASI: you can wish for 3 of any item, e.g. 3 cloaks of magic resistance, 3 amulets of life saving etc. and if the RNG likes you, you'll get them. (That would make magic markers very overpowered though.) 14:17 <[Demo]> 3 blessed magic markers of power and confusion 14:18 Three very thoroughly holy burnt magic markers of spinach. 14:18 (lit) 14:22 @luxidream there, fiqhack is no longer inferior to dynahack /s 14:23 (This was on my TODO anyway, just figured why not since you mentioned it) 14:25 <@luxidream> lol, thanks 14:25 <@luxidream> it's a good feature 14:26 <@luxidream> especially for me 14:26 FIQ: why not all traps 14:26 why are e.g. trap doors "safe" to move onto even though they can potentially put you in a perilous situation 14:28 aosdict: they aren't? 14:28 look at the commit 14:29 traps are only considered harmless if they have no effect at all 14:29 (potentially besides printing a message) 14:39 ah 14:42 aosdict: "Digging speed should decrease with higher pick-axe skill." I'm not sure if that's really how it's supposed to work. 14:43 that is already a feature in FIQHack and later ported to 4k 14:43 except it increases digging speed 14:43 rather than decreasing it 14:51 aosdict: "Blessings or cursings on spellbooks does not translate to automatic success or failure. Instead, it" - that sentence simply ends without saying what the effect of BUC should be 14:53 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:06 wow, my very own personal editor 15:07 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 15:10 @luxidream with such a wide range of gifts, perhaps the player should just be able to request stuff directly from the god. 15:12 [hdf-us] [un] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 2847 points, T:2175, killed by a soldier ant 15:15 -!- AngelaSmythe has joined #hardfought 15:20 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:20 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:28 [hdf-us] [slex] Panthserv (Che Asg Mal Neu) shouted "", on T:917 15:36 [hdf-us] [slex] Panthserv (Che Asg Mal Neu), 969 points, T:1667, killed by a monster (Danielle's cuddly sneaker) 15:37 ... 15:37 -!- AngelaSmythe has left #hardfought 15:40 come back AngelaSmythe! we don't all play slex here 15:41 [hdf-us] [un] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 1371 points, T:1639, killed by a dog 15:43 !who 15:43 FIQ: [hdf-us] Luxidream [dyn] FIQ [nh4] ellipsis [nd] 15:43 FIQ: [hdf-eu] No current players 15:48 hi 15:48 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 15:48 K2: Message from elenmirie at 2018-01-21 13:59 EST: when was the last build of 361dev prior to the one today? 15:48 K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-01-21 14:09 EST: Pushed a small update to FIQHack that implements having to use 'm' to move into harmful traps (traps that may hurt you or your inventory) 15:50 FIQhack updated (us and eu) 16:28 daaaaamn.... Tariru is now at 44 consecutive games 16:34 <[Demo]> wins? 16:35 yes 16:36 [hdf-us] [nd] ellipsis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:37816 17:16 [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 8451 points, T:6153, killed by a lynx 17:33 jonadab: in Fourk and in Dr. Jeckyl's Laboratory, are all the sinks eligible to produce a pudding, a ring, and a foocubus by kicking? 17:34 !tell LarienTelrunya thanks for being my editor :) 17:34 Will do, aosdict! 17:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] flumpraxadabIQ2k (Kni Hlf Mal Law), 96 points, T:576, killed by a riding accident 17:51 YANI: the game tells you exactly how many turns you missed when you're helpless for more than 1 turn. 17:51 dynahack does something like that 17:52 if there goes more than 1 turn inbetween you getting control, it says [N turns] 18:06 YANI: you can smite-target potions when you throw them, but if the potion would pass over a "low-ceiling" tile like a corridor or doorway, it smashes on that tile. 18:08 <[Demo]> i like it 18:08 Any other low-ceiling tiles I'm forgetting about...? 18:12 Heck, why not allow all ranged attacks to be smite-targeted? (The UI would probably need to show the path of travel it would take as you move the cursor. Could also do things like auto-selecting the first monster in range and being able to tab to other monsters). 18:12 yani ^ 18:16 aosdict: The sinks are normal sinks, AFAIK. 18:17 would be interesting (though would probably require some lev_comp rewriting) to have some of them come pre-used (cause that's a lot of rings...) 18:18 Hmm, that is a lot of rings. Though perhaps the better way to balance this is just to reduce some of the level's other loot. 18:18 it's also a lot of opportunities for foocubus dancing, too. 18:19 Yes, but this is Fourk. 18:19 Foocubi in Fourk are almost purely a hazard. 18:19 how so? 18:19 I might've left some of the minor beneficial effects, such as exercising charisma. 18:20 But they don't e.g. level you up any more. 18:20 Ah. 18:21 People complained I was "nerfing pacifist", but my position has always been that I don't intend to balance around conducts. 18:21 Conducts are supposed to be hard, that's why they're voluntary challenges. 18:21 Did you drop the quest XL requirement or fix the XP curve, or does the player still have to deal with getting to level 14 without the benefit of foocubui? 18:21 The XP curve is somewhat adjusted. 18:22 Though the differences mostly kick in around XL13. I believe XL14 requires 60,000 XP to vanilla's 80,000. 18:22 I would balance around conducts if the change I want to make effectively forces that conduct to adopt some sort of degenerate strategy. 18:22 Foocubus dancing isn't degenerate? 18:22 So if pacifists in Fourk are only viable by farming for potions for gain level, then I would say there needs to be some other way. 18:23 Wraith luring? 18:23 heh, foocubus dancing is practically the definition of "degenerate" :D 18:23 Indeed. 18:23 Not in the gameplay sense. 18:23 !tell K2 fixed a major bug with speed and print a message for how long helplessness takes 18:23 Will do, FIQ! 18:24 You don't think foocubus dancing is boring tedious gameplay? It's way more annoying to do than wraith luring, IMO. 18:24 aosdict: right, I agree -- I wouldn't balance around conducts per se, but I would try not to screw conduct play over 18:24 Which is bad enough. 18:24 jonadab: so to make wraith luring work, you have to have a pet kill the wraiths that won't eat their corpses? I mean, it's kind of hard to set up. 18:24 That seems a bit more tedious than foocubus dancing. 18:24 aosdict: What? 18:24 foocubi dancing is *much, much* less annoying than wraith luring 18:24 No, you can kill the wraiths yourself once you get them off level. 18:24 foocubi is just 18:24 200s 18:24 engage 18:24 200s 18:24 engage 18:24 jonadab: but... we're talking about pacifist...? 18:24 etc 18:25 simple 18:25 awkward but not too bad 18:25 But unlike wraiths, foocubi don't have to be engaged a dozen times each, and teleport away after each time. 18:25 aosdict: Oh, pacifist, right. 18:25 wraith corpse rate is like 50% anyway 18:25 even outside graveyards 18:25 Namely, the lack of options for pacifist to gain levels. 18:25 yes 18:25 <[Demo]> jesus should smite u if u fuck a succubus cause that shit aint allowed 18:25 this is my issue with 4k 18:25 aosdict: I also buffed pacifists with my Oracle changes. 18:25 you did not 18:25 I did. 18:25 no 18:25 Jesus is an actual deity in slex, isn't he? 18:26 If they do it in the right order, they can get two XL from the Oracle now. 18:26 you buffed *non-paci* 18:26 yes, they could before too 18:26 <[Demo]> i think slex doesnt have jesus 18:26 <[Demo]> im trying to get amy to add jesus 18:26 major 18:26 then minor 18:26 -> 2 XLs 18:26 Ah, I thought that only gave them one before. 18:26 no 18:26 Perhaps I was confused. 18:26 Oh, wait. 18:26 It wasn't Oracle. 18:26 It was Sokoban. 18:26 yes, that is actually a buff 18:26 the *only* buff 18:26 The Oracle buffed some other conduct, I forget which. 18:27 it doesn't make up for your throne farming nerfs or foocubi nerfs 18:27 And I got confused. 18:27 basicall 18:27 Because it's been a while. 18:27 y 18:27 if I want to play paci in 4k 18:27 Throne farming nerfs? 18:27 I pretty much have to get into quest by XL1 18:27