00:02 aaaaaaand the US govt has been shutdown now for 2.5 min 00:02 awesome 00:03 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:05 [hdf-us] [nh4] bptato (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 26772 points, T:4180, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gnome 00:09 <[Demo]> do u work for them? 00:15 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 00:24 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 00:28 yup 00:28 vermont army natl guard 00:28 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 00:29 just the one weekend per month / 2 weeks in summer tho 00:29 * K2 used to be active duty a ways back 00:46 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:51 <@luxidream> about to kill the wizard in dyna 00:51 <@luxidream> burned my life saving on demo 00:51 <@luxidream> not gonna be fun 00:53 good grief this interface looks awful on my end 00:54 <@luxidream> ? 00:54 <@luxidream> if you're watching me, it's probably my terminal size 00:54 oh i was watching your game 00:54 no my terminal was too small 00:54 and idk you seem to be doing fine 00:56 <@luxidream> yeah, I genocided vorpal J 00:56 <@luxidream> still could get hairy though 00:56 is rodney tougher in dyna or something 00:56 is the sanctum tougher? 00:57 <@luxidream> sanctum has cthulhu I think? 00:57 <@luxidream> covetous high level mmf basically 00:57 <@luxidream> speaking of which, let me grease my hat 00:58 what no levelport 00:59 okay 01:00 just cast spells to burn nutrition 01:00 <@luxidream> don't have telecont 01:01 you don't have telepathy 01:01 <@luxidream> I have telepathy 01:01 <@luxidream> what are you talking about 01:01 what's telecont then 01:01 oh 01:01 now i get it 01:03 how deep is dyna's gehennom 01:05 <@luxidream> doesn't seem to be deeper than gehennom 01:05 <@luxidream> in vanilla 01:05 <@luxidream> anyway, it looked like I was wasting my time 01:05 <@luxidream> but I really need int to use this crystal ball 01:06 <@luxidream> they don't let you use gold detection in dyna 01:07 oof 01:07 sheesh 01:08 and... you didn't bless geno L? 01:10 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 01:10 <@luxidream> bless geno only affects one specific monster in dyna 01:10 <@luxidream> so its like uncursed geno 01:11 :/ 01:11 okay 01:12 <@luxidream> so yeah everything sucks 01:12 <@luxidream> nerfhack 01:13 lol 01:14 <@luxidream> ah, there's our friend cthulhu 01:14 looks like a stellar wand of death candidate 01:15 unless that no longer kills things in one hit 01:17 <@luxidream> better run before he comes back 01:18 why did you keep backing out of the temple after you killed him 01:18 <@luxidream> what do you mean 01:19 <@luxidream> I got the amulet 01:19 <@luxidream> I'm leaving 01:19 nevermind then 01:25 does dyna have the mysterious force? 01:25 <@luxidream> no 01:25 cool 01:25 -!- rumflump has quit [Quit: rumflump] 01:26 <@luxidream> it's more merciful than un about this 01:26 <@luxidream> un doesn't have the force either but spawns a ton of monsters at every stairs 01:27 oof 01:27 i heard un also bars regular teleport with the amulet 01:28 <@luxidream> not sure about that 01:28 <@luxidream> I didn't have tele when I ascended un in any case 01:36 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:39 <@luxidream> whoo 01:41 [hdf-us] [dyn] HI BILLY MAYS HERE FOR DYNAHACK (Luxidream) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1094864 points, T:51434, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dynahack/dumplog/2018-01-20%2001_40_56%2C%20HI%20BILLY%20MAYS%20HERE%20FOR%20DYNAHACK-Kni-Hum-Mal-Law%2C%20ascended.txt 01:52 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 02:43 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 02:51 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:03 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:07 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 03:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 03:19 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:11 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 04:45 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:12 -!- Setneicum has joined #hardfought 06:04 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 06:14 !tell FIQ slex doesn't add stuff willy-nilly either, that's just what everyone thinks I'm doing but I really judge new stuff for whether I want it in the game or not, before I implement it 06:14 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 06:41 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 06:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 08:20 <[Demo]> that'll never get old 08:31 FIQ: [backscroll] haha, we had the same thought on cavemen being able to make flint stones out of rocks. I think I'm not happy with my change as-implemented, and I want to drop the weight of flint to 1 as well as drop the chance of non-Cavemen getting flint from rocks. 08:38 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 08:57 qgrats @luxidream 09:15 @luxidream dynahack has actually undone several of unnethack's "nerfs" 09:15 FIQ: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-01-20 06:14 EST: slex doesn't add stuff willy-nilly either, that's just what everyone thinks I'm doing but I really judge new stuff for whether I want it in the game or not, before I implement it 09:15 for convenience purposes 09:25 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:28 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 09:29 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 09:47 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:56 <@luxidream> FIQ: Really? Still, I wasn’t taking any chances 09:59 <@luxidream> Have to say, I still don’t have as much fun on un and the like for some reason 10:01 <@luxidream> Still have plenty enough to win, I guess, just have to cut more corners 10:05 <@luxidream> dyna gives MR to all quest artifacts 10:05 <@luxidream> what 10:15 It does? 10:15 On top of all other benefits? Always? 10:17 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 10:23 <@luxidream> DynaHack differentiates roles further than NetHack by improving their quest artifact. The quest artifact cannot be stolen by the Wizard of Yendor in DynaHack, making it a reliable source of resistances. It also grants magic resistance when carried by their role, giving most characters a good reason to make use of their unique powers. 10:24 I guess that's intended to cut down on artiwishing? 10:25 <@luxidream> I guess so. wasn't sure if it was a problem in the first place 10:26 [hdf-us] [slex] zhngchq (Fla Hum Mal Neu) shouted "what?", on T:3970 10:27 I want to remove questartiwishing, because I think it has way too much influence on the metagame. 10:28 <@luxidream> it has almost zero influence in my opinion 10:28 <@luxidream> what artifact are you wishing for earlygame 10:29 Midgame is when you usually artiwish. Usually for something that grants slotless MR. 10:31 <@luxidream> it's hard for me to find a time when I would take slotless MR over a whopping amount of extra AC 10:33 And I think the correct solution to this is to fix the fact that MR is way more important than any other resistance, especially late-game. 10:33 Because it protects against a bunch of different things, several of which are instadeaths. 10:39 @luxidream the Rodney stealing thing was also removed in FIQHack 10:39 but it doesn't give all quest artis MR 10:40 <@luxidream> h 10:40 k 10:40 <@luxidream> I think that was a little on the unbalanced side 10:40 the Rodney thing or the MR thing? 10:40 <@luxidream> the MR thing 10:40 ah 10:41 jonadab: what if you went into the other direction 10:41 remove slotless MR from quest artis that isn't youirs 10:41 *yours 10:45 FIQ: I feel like that doesn't solve the problem entirely, it just forces more people to wear cloak of MR, which doesn't diversify asckit at all. 10:47 <@luxidream> what about gray DSM 10:49 Well, yes, that's the other option. 10:49 But we were trying to make it so colors _other_ than silver or gray might see some use. 11:02 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 11:04 <@Tone> I only really wish for quest artis when I have luxury wishes or want to do something different (like a monk or wizard with staff of aesculapius) 11:04 <@Tone> or if I want to be able to cast spells in vanilla 11:08 [hdf-us] [nd] ellipsis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:32344 11:32 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 11:41 I feel like quest artifact wishing has a very large influence on most of my games. 11:45 bleh how do I keep letting a week pass before updating YANI lists 12:05 i've arti-wished maybe three times ever 12:07 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 12:07 * bhaak reading backlog 12:08 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:08 hothraxxa: un's WoW also don't give 1:0 anymore. that was changed with the wand wresting. 12:09 good to know. dyna's wishing is pretty nerfed anyway 12:10 i don't play dyna because it's the most fun. it most certainly isn't 12:11 i am playing variants to ascend roles that haven't been done yet 12:15 <@luxidream> oh, um, about that... 12:22 <@luxidream> were you playing knight to get the first ascension 12:24 hehe. yes 12:24 congrats btw 12:25 btw nurses do heal in dyna. did you forget to unwield maybe? 12:26 <@luxidream> maybe I was wielding a non weapon item by mistake 12:26 <@luxidream> I'll try again, and be more careful this time 12:26 that would do it i think 12:27 when i was a waizard i got 47 points at the castle from a pair of nurses i ran into 12:27 is there a term that conveys what "team" a monster is on, i.e. tame/peaceful/hostile? 12:27 attitude 12:28 affiliation perhaps 12:28 I've had trouble with this myself in code heh 12:29 I've ended up using alignment, but I don't like it 12:29 or allegiation 12:29 *allegiance 12:31 it depends on your context. deportment, for example. or demeanor. i don't think you'll like any of the choices for this purpose, though 12:32 FIQ: you didn't like my earlier idea about regeneration doubling your natural HP regen rate. how about this idea: it gives you faster regeneration if your HP is at a lower % of max, and slower regeneration if close to max 12:33 for a hard formula, if HP is currently x% of max, your regeneration rate is multiplied by (2 - x%) 12:34 <@luxidream> is current regen too strong? 12:35 It's not too strong, but I don't like how it doesn't scale (a flat +1/turn is really really good early game, and not worth much late game) 12:35 so I proposed making it double your natural regen rate, but FIQ didn't like that 12:36 because it makes it too fast lategame 12:36 weee 12:37 I mean, it could be *1.5 or something. 12:37 But I do sort of like the idea that extrinsic regen gets more powerful the closer you are to death. 12:38 [hdf-us] [nd] ellipsis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:34674 12:43 K2: hi 12:44 YANI: blessed/cursed on spellbooks doesn't translate to always succeed/fail, it merely acts as a (fairly large) +/- to your effective Int score. 12:47 hiya 12:48 oh my 12:48 1st ever sac, deity grants me stormbringer 12:48 it was a white unicorn, but still... woop! 12:48 so what are you waiting for? Get out there, and BRING some STORMS! 12:49 boom! crash! pew pew pew 12:49 so this being unnethack and not nh4, i need to be careful 12:51 welp 12:52 i just ran into a watchman 12:52 oops 12:52 <[Demo]> cause you didnt watch, man 12:52 boo hiss 12:54 i need to get my skill up to basic before i start tackling the watch captains 12:54 unnethack, that's going to take a few swings 12:55 how many, inquiring minds want to know 12:55 from unskilled to basic its 20 in vanilla 12:55 i think its 100 for unnethack 12:55 in dyna, 100 hits to get to basic 12:56 some roles get double credit for some weapons 12:56 dyna is unnethack 4 plus other bits on nh4 platform 12:56 err nitrohack 12:56 i know but there are lots of differences, hence my question 12:56 * K2 nods 12:56 i think that part stayed the same 12:57 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Skill#UnNetHack 12:57 it's cruel to wizards and healers 13:00 hothraxxa: you really dislike variants making things hard for healers huh 13:00 i like healers 13:01 um no 13:01 you *love* healers 13:01 its your thing 13:01 that was supposed to be a secret 13:01 \o/ 13:01 i just outted you. sorry 13:02 hopefully society will learn to accept what you are 13:02 i might be developing a thing for orc wizards 13:02 soon we will learn hothraxxa's tragic backstory from medical school 13:02 accident. couldn't be helped 13:03 oh good... wands of teleportation and lightning. that'll help 13:04 i should get back to my dyna knight, i suppose. yesterday my former pet fire vortex engulfed me, by way of which i learned that the vanisher i had was not teleportation 13:05 i got out with 5 hp left 13:05 [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 7647 points, T:6168, killed by a gnome king 13:06 hothraxxa: if you are trying to ascend roles in variants that nobody's done yet, there are plenty of them in slex 13:06 * aosdict stops channeling LarienTelrunya 13:07 * hothraxxa kicks aosdict in the balls with a pair of iron doc martin's of extra pain 13:07 * hothraxxa stops channeling slex 13:08 fuck that 13:08 i have no intention of filling in every empty slot 13:08 <@luxidream> no 13:08 <@luxidream> orc wizards is my thing 13:08 * hothraxxa is highly selective 13:09 well there goes the grunthack orc wizard 13:10 i wasn't looking forward to it anyway 13:11 <@luxidream> but grunthack is evil 13:12 <@luxidream> I think I tried grunthack once. meleed a zombie then died instantly 13:13 perhaps i could interest you in this nice gnome convict. hardly used 13:13 luxidream: i have no doubt you could ascend a gh orc wizard 13:14 gh is crazy fun once you get past the early game 13:14 s/once/if 13:14 still, it IS evil 13:15 <@luxidream> yeah, looking forward to eating a stack of vorpal daggers to the face 13:15 my gh gnome healer is still my fastest ever ascension 13:15 on account of I GOTTA GET OUT OF HERE FAST 13:16 <@luxidream> 35k? 13:17 <@luxidream> how did you get so many silver daggers 13:17 believe it or not, they were thrown at me by demons 13:18 <@luxidream> uh, okay? 13:18 i thought it was hilarious 13:18 i mean, silver haters, got to unload them right? 13:19 "here! you have them they burrrrnnnn..." 13:21 oh, that vorpal silver dagger was fantastic 13:22 <@luxidream> that's pretty crazy 13:23 <@luxidream> so you can wish for any material, right? 13:24 <@luxidream> so dragonhide t-shirt of reflection is fair game 13:24 almost. i got advice from k2 13:24 oh yes 13:24 <@luxidream> what can't you wish for? 13:24 did i have that? 13:24 <@luxidream> no 13:25 <@luxidream> you had dragonhide robe of reflection 13:25 get dragonhide, that's the lesson 13:25 the rest is gravy 13:26 <@luxidream> is dragonhide CPM possible 13:26 no, dragonhide and crystal are both materials 13:27 i'm no expert on this. k2 has a lot of gh experience and fiq also knows a lot about the possibilities 13:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:28 I think it can only be dragonhide if the base material is leather (and maybe cloth) 13:30 looking at K2's gh ascension dump files gives a pretty good overview of what works 13:31 [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 886 points, T:5239, killed by a purple worm 13:31 cloth yes 13:32 fucking shrieker 13:32 elenmirie: cloth or leather yes 13:32 which is why you wish for dragonhide GoD, not GoP 13:32 yes, I remember now 13:33 silver only works on metal, so if you want silver for monk fighting, you want silver GoP 13:33 gop are hugely overrated 13:33 13:33 now that would be fun (silver GoP) 13:33 hothraxxa: pls 13:33 I wasn't advocating wishing for GoP per se 13:33 only how to deal with material restrictions 13:33 i know 13:33 :P 13:34 my point was nobody should be wishing for gop 13:34 well hardly anybody 13:34 there might be an edge case for a monk or something 13:39 <@luxidream> and yet it's one of the most popular wishes on NAO 13:39 <@luxidream> I blame the wiki 13:42 i don't believe in wishing for gloves of any sort 13:42 maybe in gh, dragonhide gloves 13:43 in vanilla, insanity 13:43 not sure if aosdict has plans for gloves 13:44 the current vanilla situation needs attention 13:45 <@luxidream> YANI: Reach gloves. Gloves that let you pick up items in any surrounding square, not just the one you're standing on. Can be used on enemies for a grabbing attack 13:45 or pets to get stuff they won't drop 13:46 <@luxidream> you should be able to chat intelligent pets and trade items with them 13:47 like the time i dropped my amulet of reflection a nd stepped off of it, and my pet took it and put it on 13:48 <@luxidream> maybe even discuss minor strategy with them, like whether they should favor melee or ranged attacks 13:48 i don't remember what variant or even what the pet was, but i certainly remember being royally pissed off 13:48 you could tell them, "you go round the back" 14:24 [hdf-us] [nd] ellipsis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 silver dagger", on T:35784 14:24 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:58 !tell K2 minor tweak to remove the "There is x here, check it for traps?" for #untrap 14:58 Will do, FIQ! 14:59 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 15:06 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 15:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:49 hothraxxa: what about my plans for gloves which I don't think exist? 15:50 you should have some! 15:51 can you elaborate on how the current vanilla situation needs attention 15:52 too vanilla 15:52 <@luxidream> not enough cool gloves 15:52 dnh has orihalcyon gauntlets 15:53 ^^^ 15:53 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 15:53 FIQ: isn't your philosophy not to add lots of new stuff? 15:53 why should I differ? 15:53 <@luxidream> and they would generate like 1% in vanilla 15:53 <@luxidream> and add nothing to the game whatsoever 15:54 i'm just saying that if ppl are wishing for gop, that needs some attention 15:55 -!- deadnoob has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55 <@luxidream> people wish for gops because wiki hypes it up 15:55 hothraxxa: the only other glove-slot armor I've ever really considered is something like a standard gauntlet: iron, nonmagical, base AC of 3 or so. 15:55 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 15:55 <@luxidream> that sounds awesome 15:55 <@luxidream> 3 AC gloves 15:56 i bet people think that str 25 is way better than 18/** 15:56 probably don't need elven counterpart armor because elves don't seem like the sort to wear much armor, esp on hands 15:56 let alone 18/50 15:57 <[Demo]> is slex scary? 15:57 no 15:57 <[Demo]> is slex feared? 15:57 by some 15:58 it can't hurt you if you don't acknowledge its existence 15:58 <@luxidream> well, it’s a pain to get 18/** in the first place 16:01 shut up and eat your spinach 16:03 aosdict: I was being sarcastic 16:03 [hdf-us] [nd] Menche (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 5542 points, T:4897, killed by a little dog, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:03 sorry 16:03 I figured it was obvious due to my "too vanilla" "explanation" 16:03 can armor in fiqhack have the reflection property? 16:04 yes 16:05 EPI for fiqhack: armor of reflection doesn't work if it's not "exposed", i.e. shirts don't work if you wear other torso armor, torso armor doesn't work if you wear a cloak, gloves don't work if you're wielding anything 16:05 this isn't fiqhack-specific 16:05 sdsm vs cloak 16:11 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 16:14 FIQhack updated (us and eu) 16:14 K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-01-20 14:58 EST: minor tweak to remove the "There is x here, check it for traps?" for #untrap 16:15 hi K2 and sorry for my constant updates 16:15 ... 16:16 again. stop apologizing ;) 16:16 K2 could always just update every week or so if it got to be too much 16:17 its not 16:19 fiqhack updated! fiqhack updated! pushed a fix. pushed a minor tweak. did random stuff. new useless feature! some QoL thing. new bugs! fixes the bugs. something something replaymode bugs. some random tiny change that actually is huge in practice. something something symmetry. 16:24 * aosdict checks the number of fiqhack update announcements using the shiny new script I made explicitly for this purpose 16:24 lol 16:24 that is a sign of there being too many :P 16:25 208 16:25 got my new receiver all set, speakers are dialed in 16:25 damn it sounds good 16:25 since uh, sometime in july 16:25 now i just need some actual high end speakers 16:57 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:00 [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 polished silver shield", on T:7454 17:00 -!- nht has quit [Quit: nht] 17:20 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:25 !tell K2 Ported a feature from 3.6.x where Sokoban rules stop applying once you complete it 17:25 Will do, FIQ! 17:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:29 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 17:33 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 17:38 FIQhack updated (us and eu) 17:38 K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-01-20 17:25 EST: Ported a feature from 3.6.x where Sokoban rules stop applying once you complete it 17:38 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:56 luxidream: you need to specify the vs level. going past it doesn't work in dyna 18:58 <@luxidream> okay, well. next time! 18:58 <@luxidream> shit I forgot vlad 18:59 oops. rodney's dead, this should be fun 19:00 <@luxidream> hopefully he doesn't waste too many death charges 19:00 <@luxidream> I need a couple for cthulhu 19:01 the last two times i faced cthulu my first shot missed 19:01 so yeah, at least two 19:02 @luxidream you streaking dyna? 19:02 <@luxidream> yes 19:02 cool 19:02 why is the frame smaller than your terminal resolution? 19:03 message height is 10? 19:03 <@luxidream> yes 19:03 ah 19:03 you can set it to 0 for auto I think 19:03 <@luxidream> automessage height forces me to look all the way at the bottom of my screen 19:03 <@luxidream> annoying 19:03 ahh 19:04 heh this is pretty much the only reason I enabled extrawin in NH4 19:10 !tell ais523 Restoring a 4.2 save creates a null diff once you do something, right? How and why? Do you think it would be a good idea to instead of creating a NH3-style save for optimizing load, instead create a 4.3-style binary checkpoint for better save integrity for no additional size (since the null diff is just as big)? Pondering this for DynaHack 19:10 Will do, FIQ! 19:10 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 19:12 it's 51 19:12 luxidream 19:12 <@luxidream> there, I did it right this time 19:24 <@luxidream> should I wish for a crystal ball 19:24 <@luxidream> or just wing it 19:25 the amulet is more effective in dyna, if that matters 19:25 i used a crystal ball myself 19:25 <@luxidream> let's wing it, I can always wish it up if any trouble comes up 19:25 lol 19:25 so I was going to add the "Solved"/"Unsolved" from 3.6 soko 19:25 and I found a very bold claim 19:26 2029 /* players are computer scientists: 0, 1, 2, n */ 19:31 <@luxidream> all right, that worked out 19:35 yay! congrats 19:36 i find your tank methods intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter 19:36 [hdf-us] [dyn] Edgelord With a Blunt Weapon (Luxidream) (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 667372 points, T:55002, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/dynahack/dumplog/2018-01-20%2019_36_21%2C%20Edgelord%20With%20a%20Blunt%20Weapon-Pri-Hum-Fem-Cha%2C%20ascended.txt 19:36 <@luxidream> tank methods? 19:37 ac -52 roll over everything 19:38 <@luxidream> yeah, I like AC 19:38 <@luxidream> probably a bit too much 19:38 it certainly helped you there 19:39 priests can train armor too can't they? 19:39 <@luxidream> they're actually amazing at it 19:39 <@luxidream> skilled armor, expert shield 19:40 sucks to be me playing wizards and healers 19:40 and my poor knight stuck in minetown 19:40 <@luxidream> why can't he get out 19:40 <@luxidream> stair bug? 19:40 <@luxidream> no, that's spork 19:40 <@luxidream> I'm tired 19:41 no, just lethargy 19:41 no pr so the mines are a bit scary 19:42 <[Demo]> dark and bad 19:42 and full of terrors 19:42 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 19:42 <@luxidream> quest is scary too 19:43 <@luxidream> when I went there I didn't know breath attacks weren't reflected 19:43 and you get resistances not immunities 19:44 <@luxidream> yeah, still wasn't enough to convince me to get CDSM though 19:44 i always go for the chrome 19:45 <@luxidream> I can't resist the CPM 19:45 <@luxidream> so much AC 19:45 *cough*paralysis*cough* 19:46 <@luxidream> it gives free action? 19:46 no chromatic dragons can be paralyzed 19:46 <@luxidream> I didn't even go into the caves 19:47 clearly skilled armor makes cpm viable 19:48 <@luxidream> my knight also had it. he had even better AC due to expert body armor 19:50 <@luxidream> monk probably won't be fun in dyna though 19:50 haven't tried 19:50 <@luxidream> complete lack of armor skills 19:50 * hothraxxa shrugs 19:50 what else is new? 19:51 i think monks should have it better than healers or wizards 19:55 dynahack is where partial resists originated that I later ported to fh 19:55 hothraxxa: not firefox? :P 20:42 -!- aoei has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:14 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 21:15 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 21:16 !tell K2 Could you update vanilla (3.6.1)? This request forwarded from the devteam's internal mailing list, who didn't seem to realise they could just ask. Also, for the record, when was the last update? 21:16 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2018-01-20 19:10 EST: Restoring a 4.2 save creates a null diff once you do something, right? How and why? Do you think it would be a good idea to instead of creating a NH3-style save for optimizing load, instead create a 4.3-style binary checkpoint for better save integrity for no additional size (since the null diff is just as big)? Pondering this for DynaHack 21:16 Will do, ais523! 21:17 unlike a certain other server (NAO...), hdf actually tries its best at keeping the version up to date 21:18 but yeah, probably not completely up to date atm 21:18 FIQ: the null diff was originally a bug but I realised it would be a good way to help recover broken saves after the fact (4.2save tended to break in odd ways) so I left it in; adding in a binary checkpoint makes sense for optimising loads, we could rewind it once an action is given so that compulsive savers don't end up with massive saves 21:19 ais523: This was specifically for DynaHack 21:19 I was thinking to have it to replace the current null diffs 21:19 Which shouldn't increase save size 21:19