00:05 <@luxidream> congrats k2 00:08 thx 00:12 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 00:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:39 ah nethack messages 00:39 "You start equipping your ring mail. You feel tough!" 00:41 -!- rumflump has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:46 [hdf-us] [fh] Cait L. Iff, Playtester (StatueSurfer) (Kni Dwa Fem Law) killed the tourist of nht, the former Rambler, on T:813 00:47 and my save file broke 00:48 i attempted to go to DL4, and then the game kicked me out 00:48 and when i try to reload it, it kicks me out again 00:48 @FIQ 00:51 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 00:56 wait hold on a second 00:56 why was there a bones file on DL3 00:56 was it the first mines level? 00:57 that's possible if it was level 4 when the bones were left 00:57 yeah it was the first mines level 00:57 and then the game crashed when i tried to go to DL4 00:58 and when i try to load it, it crashes immediately 00:59 that's nothing to do with the bones I think 01:00 probably not 01:00 but it's sure a bad glitch 01:39 [hdf-us] [nd] Menche (Rog Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3206 01:42 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:03 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 02:57 nht, how do you ascend with 3900 turns or so 02:57 teach me your secrets 03:01 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:02 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 03:06 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:06 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 03:15 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 03:17 the wiki has a decent primer https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Speed_ascension 03:19 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:19 it requires some persistance, 99 out of 100 games will die trying to get enough early wishes/scrolls for writing 03:23 also you should be able survive every stage of the game with minimal armour and no additional max hp 03:26 oh yeah that doesn't sound difficult at all 03:27 i guess you'd have to have invisibility and speed to do that 03:29 it probably requires finding poly control early and becoming a titan ;) 03:30 you get a bunch of free AC/speed/hp in polyforms yeah 03:30 at least that's what I observed in one of Maud's speedruns 03:30 HOW ARE TITANS A VALID POLYMORPH FORM 03:30 THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE 03:31 they're actually stronger than the non-polymorphable angels 03:31 at least in Nethack they don't have the "lol I just killed you" ground stomp attack they have in Elona :D 03:32 at least in terms of level and speed 03:32 no instead they have the "lol i just killed you" summon nasties spell 03:32 I guess what is valid to polymorph and genocide was decided piecemeal over some years by the devteam 03:32 yeah but you don't get to cast that if you polymorph into one ;) 03:32 except in FIQhack I guess 03:33 for attacking, minotaur,jabberwock of master mind flayer forms are preferred when speedrunning 03:34 after genociding cockatrices i take it? 03:35 that would be a luxury 03:35 it's unusual to have spare marker charges for genocide 03:36 then do you just avoid the cockatrices? 03:36 you can cheat and SIGHUP to avoid death if you accidentally attack a trice in most variants 03:37 or avoid them if you're being honest 03:37 i've heard xorns are sometimes used for gehennom 03:39 phasing is useful on levels where teleport is banned 03:39 so the lairs 03:40 and rodney's place 03:40 so... what exactly are the first things you wish for? 03:41 charging, wand of polymorph, ring of polymorph control, then markers 03:42 possibly wishing for cursed genocide scrolls as well 03:43 right, for the wraiths 03:43 for teleport control/teleportitis from tengu and XLs from wraiths 03:45 also unicorns for luck/horns if you can manage to identify some gems 03:46 altar farming sounds more efficient on the surface 03:47 if you can spare to get create monster that is 03:48 if there's a convenient altar 03:49 the Dark One's altar is sometimes used as it doesn't require backtracking 03:49 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 03:50 oh yeah that'd be convenient 03:51 well i'll have to carry this on later, it's getting late for me 03:51 night all 03:51 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:26 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:45 -!- aeoi has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:18 -!- rumflump has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:45 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 05:50 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 07:01 !tell K2 need statuesurfer's save 07:01 Will do, FIQ! 07:10 us or eu server? 07:10 K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-01-19 07:01 EST: need statuesurfer's save 07:10 nm i see it 07:12 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:12 FIQ see pm 07:26 -!- earenndil has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:27 -!- earenndil has joined #hardfought 07:57 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 07:58 saw your message regarding splint mail lorimer 07:58 thx 07:58 was hoping it was intentional :P 08:12 np :+1: 08:12 man, slack forms bad habits 08:13 but yeah, it was likely intentional. there may even be a comment buried somewhere in the code about it 08:13 i tried to make sure to mark things like that so people later didn't end up confused, but 08:13 i doubt i was perfect 08:14 -!- firemonkey has joined #hardfought 08:44 no worries 09:12 -!- firemonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:33 lorimer: yeah but 09:33 for bamboo 09:33 isn't wood better? 09:36 <@luxidream> so I closed out of the terminal when one of my nh4 wizards died 09:37 <@luxidream> and the save file is still there, and there's no way I can get rid of it and have the death reported 09:38 @le?komodo dragon 09:38 komodo dragon (:) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 9 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 5 | Attacks: 2d6 bite drain con, 1d12 claw physical, 1d12 claw physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, thick hide, oviparous 09:38 that should definitely be a D glyph 09:41 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/403921878529605642/death.png 09:42 <@luxidream> if anyone can help me get this death out of my saves and onto scoreboard I'd appreciate it. didn't mean for this to happen 09:52 <@Tone> heh, what happens when you load that, lux? 09:53 FIQ: It is, I was just too lazy at the time to do all the legwork to add "WOOD" as a known armor type :) 09:54 <@luxidream> it brings up a replay 09:54 <@luxidream> when it reaches the end it only closes 09:54 <@luxidream> and the save file stays 10:16 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 10:19 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 74862 points, T:25192, killed by a couatl 10:32 lorimer: but it already exists... 10:32 small shields and elven shields use it 10:42 those are shields, not body armor though. i seem to recall that might have mattered. (I'm honestly not sure anymore, I just remember that the switch was intentional -- and if I picked LEATHER i'd have had at least a lazy-good reason at the time) 10:42 or you just didn't know 10:42 which is what I expected :) 10:56 -!- rumflump has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:12 -!- aeoi has joined #hardfought 11:15 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 11:38 !pom 11:38 elenmirie: The moon is new for 1 more day. 11:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 12:00 -!- aeoi has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:24 !who 12:24 FIQ: [hdf-us] Menche [nd] 12:24 FIQ: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nd] 12:24 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:33 <@luxidream> !tell K2 one of my deaths is stuck as a save file when I hung up and isn't being recorded on scoreboard. is there any way you can remove the save and get the game reported? 12:33 Will do, @luxidream! 12:37 K2: to help @luxidream , do this: open the relevant save, at the bottom, there should be a "Q". If there isn't, you've open the wrong save. If there is, remove this. Then at the top, there is written "done". Replace this with "save". Then tell @luxidream to load the save 12:37 *opened 12:52 <@luxidream> one thing that I really wish was in nh4 is #wrest or something of the sort 12:54 <@luxidream> the only way to do this that isn't extremely tedious (holding down z) can be dangerous 12:55 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 13:00 <@wheals> nh4 fixes the engraving bug i assume 13:01 <@luxidream> not sure 13:01 <@luxidream> didn't play much 3.4.3 so I never got around to abusing that 13:01 @wheals which engraving bug? 13:02 @luxidream Fourk makes wresting much easier. Never takes more than a few tries. 13:02 <@wheals> the one relevant to what luxi was talking about, where you can wrest in 0 time by trying to engrave while levitating 13:03 <@wheals> of course even if it didn't it would still be extremely tedious so it wouldn't help anyway 13:05 -!- firemonkey has joined #hardfought 13:06 Ah. 13:06 [hdf-us] [nd] Menche (Rog Orc Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicing a pile of gold, on T:9772 13:07 wow, notifications for everything 13:07 does that mean I just broke some conduct? 13:08 polyselfless 13:08 <@luxidream> becoming a mimic doesn't break polyselfless 13:10 Tangles: ^^ 13:18 [hdf-us] [nd] Menche (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 19488 points, T:10558, killed by a crocodile 13:40 <@luxidream> found an NH4 bug where the portal in the plane of water is treated as lava for whatever reason 13:41 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/403982347084496907/lavawat.png 13:42 <@luxidream> actually, I'm completely stuck, NH4 is telling me that every square around me is currently lava 13:45 do you have a scroll of earth? wand of cold? 13:45 <@luxidream> well, I can levitate. that works 13:45 and why doesn't becoming a mimic break polyself? (and if it doesn't, why is it notified?) 13:46 <@luxidream> "Turning into gold is a weak form of polymorph: you won't polymorph if you have unchanging, and you'll fall off your steed if you are riding. However, armor and such is not affected, your stats are unchanged, and you do not break polyself conduct." -wiki 13:46 luxidream: oh it's not real lava, I was confused for a moment 13:47 <@luxidream> it would also have made all conducts broken in jnh too easy 13:47 breaking all conducts *is* easy 13:47 <@luxidream> well not too easy, just a bit easier 13:47 it's remembering to break all conducts that's difficult 13:48 (says the woman who wished for a wand of poly on the coaligned high altar once) 13:48 <@luxidream> the hard one for me is wasting one on artiwishless 13:49 <@luxidream> that's the one I have to do last minute 13:51 <@luxidream> @ais523 halp 13:53 Does it actually prevent you from moving there? 14:01 <@luxidream> I can force move safely 14:02 <@luxidream> thankfully it's not real lava 14:03 YASI: if real lava ever *is* created on the Plane of Water, it instantly turns into a boulder. 14:03 I don't think boulders are allowed on the Planes other than Earth. 14:04 shhh 14:05 <@mtf> you know what nethack needs? the ability to create walls 14:05 i thought you could wish for them on astral 14:05 <@mtf> oh, and shifting dungeons 14:05 <@mtf> 😛 14:05 pretty sure i've seen it done 14:06 who can explain to me how the armour & shield skills work in dyna and friends? 14:06 i thought i understood it but clearly i don't 14:07 mtf: aperture science portal gun 14:07 we need those 14:08 the eota is a pussycat comparatively 14:09 wow! my own minetown bones 14:14 hothraxxa: portal guns would make orange and blue ^, obviously 14:14 aye 14:15 there wouldn't be any cake though 14:15 <@luxidream> reminds me of the dudley that had a rolling boulder trap through two portals 14:15 <@luxidream> instakilling him 14:26 You wear a +3 ring of gain constitution and brilliance (on left hand). 14:30 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 14:35 <@luxidream> oh my god there are locusts in dyna 14:35 <@luxidream> fml 14:37 ah. you are a dynhack knight 14:39 <@luxidream> yes, and I was doing okay before these chameleons started showing up 14:39 <@luxidream> what? new sokoban levels 14:40 maybe you can explain how the armour and shield skills work 14:40 yes. i don't think there are spoliers 14:40 <@luxidream> they give you more AC 14:40 <@luxidream> I don't know anything past that 14:40 no luck penalties, soko cheating is a tracked conduct 14:40 <@luxidream> you train by wearing them for a while 14:40 <@luxidream> only knights can reach expert in body armor and shield 14:40 yes, so the wiki said. yet i advance the skill and i see no effect 14:41 <@luxidream> I got +2 AC for enhancing shield 14:41 there's also weight loss 14:41 hothraxxa: Not sure about Astral, it might be special. 14:41 @le?mouse 14:41 mouse ~1~ moose (q) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: special | AC: -1 | Attacks: 1d8 bite physical, 1d8 butt physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore 14:41 well that's not what I was going for 14:42 @luxidream Are these mundane locusts that eat up all the food, or are they demon locusts that sting you and cause great pain? 14:42 hm. this time it worked. i got -2 14:42 <@luxidream> un locusts 14:42 hothraxxa: so armor and shield skills are actually just really great diet plans? :D 14:42 <@luxidream> lots of fun 14:42 in a manner of speaking 14:42 armor and shields weigh less 14:43 I kind of want to add flesh-eating scarab beetles, under x; every time they take a bite of you, they reproduce. 14:43 <@luxidream> anything's probably better than melee sickness imo 14:43 i think last time i must have misread my ac. that's the only explanation i can think of 14:43 jonadab: ticks with a blood draining sticky attack? 14:43 aosdict: what does having your blood drained do? Lower con? 14:44 I feel like there was a YANI for this in the context of vampires. 14:44 i'd expect to get a potion of blood when you kill them, but you don't always 14:45 jonadab: in dyna it doesn't lower constitution 14:45 probably abuses it 14:47 jonadab: "Vampires drain levels much less than they currently do, or not at all; instead they use a bite with an AD_DRHP damage type, which drains your HP and heals theirs by the amount of damage done." 14:48 Which cleanly would extend to other bloodsuckery monsters. 14:50 aosdict: where did you get that? 14:51 my YANI list on the wiki 14:51 oh, i thought it was implemented somewhere 14:51 <@luxidream> oh sorry hothraxxa, didn't look at what role you were playing before I picked D: 14:51 hey, go for it. i don't mind 14:52 hothraxxa: I might implement it soon. I like it better than vampires being menaces solely because they _might_ get 2 level drains in on you before you can react. 14:52 Perhaps V lords should have a AD_DRHP bite and a second AD_DRLI bite. 14:52 luxidream: i apologize for that remark about scooping the fh tourist. i was trying to be funny 14:55 hi 14:55 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 14:55 K2: Message from @luxidream at 2018-01-19 12:33 EST: one of my deaths is stuck as a save file when I hung up and isn't being recorded on scoreboard. is there any way you can remove the save and get the game reported? 14:55 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:58 damn... @luxidream, which save am I looking at? 14:58 you have a bazillion 14:59 <@luxidream> FekYouFek 14:59 and which variant are we talking about? nh4 or fh? 14:59 <@luxidream> nh4 14:59 ok 14:59 <@luxidream> it's all good @hothraxxa 15:00 aosdict: Ah. 15:00 Steals-your-HP attack, right. 15:00 Makes sense. 15:01 <@luxidream> T - a ring of stealth and reflection 15:01 <@luxidream> is this a guaranteed sokoprize? 15:01 ok luxidream, give it a whirl 15:01 <@luxidream> or did I just get lucky 15:02 [hdf-us] [nh4] FekYouFek (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 42484 points, T:8962, killed by an invisible watch captain 15:02 <@luxidream> all clear, thanks 15:02 np 15:02 thanks FIQ 15:04 <@luxidream> how to close doors in dynahack 15:04 <@luxidream> c just chats 15:07 c works for me. check your bindings 15:07 or just cast wizard lock. also works 15:08 wand of locking 15:08 this is too easy 15:12 [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 1087 points, T:1390, killed by a giant bat 15:12 <@riker> rip k2 15:14 -!- lorimer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 15:14 @luxidream try o 15:15 K2: np 15:17 @luxidream it does in 3.6.1 15:17 becoming a mimic that is 15:18 <@riker> what, break selfpoly conduct? 15:18 yes 15:19 that seems weird 15:20 <@riker> not really 15:20 <@riker> I mean, you do techinicially become something else 15:20 YASI: when a player monster dies, a tombstone is created, items are 80% cursed, and you get info about his conducts followed 15:21 I thought your adventurer (perhaps slightly out of sorts) decides to lie on the floor. "I'm a pile of gold now!" 15:22 <@riker> to me that sounds a tad more than "slightly" 15:22 <@riker> I always figured he became a mimic, but just couldn't control his actions 15:22 [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 654 points, T:1498, killed by a sewer rat 15:22 aosdict: you know pets mimic things when they eat mimic corpses, right? 15:22 yeah 15:22 and they're clearly shapeshifting 15:23 oh well I guess it's not really that hard to avoid eating mimics 15:25 You wear a +0 orcish cloak of speed. 15:26 it was designed to flow out behind you catching the wind as you charge through the dungeon 15:27 i'm liking this +3 ring of gain constitution and brilliance 15:29 nice one 15:29 i'm a knight. i started with in 8 15:29 i'm 11 now! i are smart!!! 15:32 YANI: at Int < 10, reading a scroll may give its confused effect even when you're not confused. 15:37 s/YANI/EPI/ 15:37 I was just thinking that! 15:37 because, genocide.... 15:37 yeah, that exactly 15:46 <@riker> RIP barbarians 15:46 <@riker> mine sometimes start with 5 int 15:47 Being confused, you mispronounce the magic words... You identify this as an identify scroll. 15:48 trying to buff your stuff would be an exercise in frustration... 15:48 <@riker> "Being an absolute idiot, you mispronounce most of these weird words" 15:49 fun fact: in ADOM, low intelligence makes you unable to realibly distinguish how many of things you have 15:49 "low" intelligence being like 4 15:49 your number system is 1, 2, 3, and lots! 15:53 or in Blackadder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSlfttDnurw 15:55 elenmirie: maybe 10 is too high of a threshold? how about <7, which you can only get to through dunce caps or brain eating? 15:55 or cursed unihorns, I guess. 15:55 or playing an orc 15:55 haha 15:56 elenmirie: every role is guaranteed at least 7 starting int 15:56 really? 15:56 hm 15:57 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Attribute#Starting_attributes 15:59 Third, each attribute has a 5% probability of having a random number from -2 to +4 added to it 16:00 doesn't that mean...? 16:05 ugh, maybe it does 16:06 but <= 6 would be nice because that's dunce cap level 16:07 * aosdict checks page history, finds that I was the last person to edit that page and clarify that very sentence 16:07 lol 16:08 aosdict: lol 16:08 * elenmirie zaps aosdict with a wand of confusion 16:08 oooh 16:09 a wand of confusion 16:09 that would be neat 16:09 yeah 16:09 probably exists in slex 16:09 * K2 looks at FIQ 16:09 * K2 nudges FIQ 16:09 I don't just add items willy-nilly 16:09 * K2 nudges FIQ all willy-nilly like 16:09 (he said, haughtily) 16:09 FIQHack only has 1 new item besides spells 16:10 And it was perhaps a mistake 16:10 make a wand of pure awesomeness 16:13 scroll of confuse monster == wand of confusion 16:18 "You zap the wand of pure awesomeness. You feel extremely awesome! But nothing else happens..." 16:19 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 16:19 you feel an irresistable urge to look in the mirror. 16:19 hothraxxa: YANI: when you have glowy red hands from any source, you can zap - to hit monsters with confusion at range. 16:23 [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 3454 points, T:2327, killed by a werewolf 16:29 [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 453 points, T:1399, killed by a dwarf 16:33 -!- nht has quit [Quit: nht] 16:43 FIQ: My game on the server won't load. 16:43 FIQ: I end up back at the dgl menu. 16:52 <@luxidream> am I allowed magical wishes in dyna 16:52 <@luxidream> from lamps 16:52 @luxidream no 16:53 jonadab: ok, I think I know why 16:53 same issue as earlier save today 16:53 was doing other stuff so didn't look at it 16:53 can do it now 17:08 !tell K2 Pushed a fix 17:08 Will do, FIQ! 17:18 luxidream: my last dynahack ascension was wishless because dynahack wishing sucks 17:20 <@luxidream> even the wow? 17:20 <@luxidream> or is it the same as un 17:27 actually i think it's slightly better than un, in that you can't get a 1:0 wand 17:28 mine wa 1:1 and i didn't bother to use it 17:28 i actually bought magic markers on the black market at 2500 zm a pop 17:30 because of the way dyna does dragons, you can't use an early wish for g/sdsm 17:30 <@luxidream> if I have polycont 17:30 although gold dragon scale mail is nice 17:30 <@luxidream> can I choose which dragon I turn into 17:30 the one dragon you know 17:30 sure but do you know which one is which? 17:31 shimmering would be best if you can do it 17:31 <@luxidream> you can #monster afterwards, I guess? 17:31 i think so 17:31 <@luxidream> but I don't have magic resistance 17:31 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 17:31 shimmering has all the resistances 17:31 <@luxidream> wtf 17:31 but i don't know if you can poly into one 17:32 <@luxidream> is there anywhere I can find the randomized dragon name 17:32 <@luxidream> names* 17:32 <@luxidream> like sarkany, etc 17:32 <@luxidream> I remember reading about it for un 17:32 <@luxidream> and then completely forgetting about it after jnh 17:32 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 17:32 gah! i should have said chromatic! sorry 17:33 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/DynaHack 17:33 lists them 17:33 i was wondering about that 17:33 like i was pretty sure shimmering just does displacement 17:33 yeah 17:34 also chromatic is not eligible 17:34 makes sense since it is op 17:34 <@luxidream> chromatic doesn't give MR 17:34 gold is the only one you can be sure of 17:34 right 17:34 "it's not OP if it doesn't give MR" 17:34 well ok 17:34 "it's not like there's fifteen other things that give MR" 17:34 is Beholder going to spam me with messages again? 17:34 apparently not 17:35 <@luxidream> which fifteen things give MR statuesurfer 17:35 i can fix that 17:35 the cloai 17:35 ais523: it's a surprise each time! 17:35 *cloak 17:35 some artifacts 17:35 by the time you meet chromatic dragons you'll have a couple 17:35 idk what your role is 17:35 <@luxidream> because I have wishes for all of those, yes 17:35 <@luxidream> I'm trying to save wishes here 17:35 ais523: talking with people in #nethack today, it seems like forcing or near-requiring any sort of grind for experience levels can make people lose interest in the game and want to quit playing it forever. 17:35 what is your role anyway 17:36 <@luxidream> knight 17:36 <@luxidream> so I can do quest 17:36 (case study: person who had no !oGL, no sinks, no wraiths) 17:36 magic mirror of merlin?? 17:36 <@luxidream> but not right now 17:36 <@luxidream> also the wizard can steal it 17:36 quest at xl10 don't forget 17:36 aosdict: I think it's important to have a safety valve that lets you get the last couple of levels some other way 17:36 <@luxidream> what??? brb doing quest holy crap 17:36 5% chance to steal 17:36 it could be as simple as a couple of !oGL in an optional branch 17:36 that's so rare 17:37 I think dropping the XL bar to the quest is better (and doesn't depend as much on spoilers) 17:37 orb of detection apparently also grants slotless MR 17:38 it does 17:38 <@luxidream> ais523: I ran into a NH4 bug on the plane of water where it thought every square around me in a bubble was lava 17:38 for lawfuls 17:38 and is pretty much its only useful property 17:38 but really, you probably prefer MMoM 17:38 much less heavy for basically the same benefits 17:38 if artiwishing, that is 17:38 fiq did you see my report of my game crashing last night 17:38 StatueSurfer: I did 17:38 It should be fixed 17:38 in case K2 has updated yet 17:38 cool 17:39 hmm he hasn't it seems 17:39 what was the cause 17:40 hm 17:40