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01:43 <FIQ> 2018-01-17 03:07:12     rumflump        don't 4k/fh already have a skill bonus to digspeed
01:43 <FIQ> 2018-01-17 03:08:18     +rld    <@luxidream> not FH
01:43 <FIQ> wrong
01:43 <FIQ> it was introducd in FH
01:43 <FIQ> then cherry-picked into 4
01:43 <FIQ> k
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02:14 <FIQ> rumflump: your readme on the roguelikes.live server for how to start rld wasn't working btw
02:14 <FIQ> due to it not finding the config
02:14 <FIQ> I had to specify the absolute file location
02:17 <FIQ> jonadab: locking the mail file will prevent watchers from reading it I think
02:17 <FIQ> or worse, make watchers lock the file for readers
02:17 <FIQ> s/readers/players/
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02:51 <FIQ> !who
02:51 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-us] No current players
02:51 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nd] 
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04:42 <FIQ> so I implemented the ability for monsters to have pets
04:42 <FIQ> it is theoretically possible for those to also have pets on their own
04:42 <FIQ> etc...
04:57 <elenmirie> can *your* pet have pets?
05:22 <FIQ> yes
05:23 <FIQ> however the chain can only go up to 8
05:23 <FIQ> this is to limit perf impact on a sanity check that prevents infinite loops
05:24 <FIQ> (which is possible by monsters going offlevel or dying, leaving a corpse)
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06:19 <FIQ> "A friendly Uruk-hai (the Archon's pet)"
06:19 <FIQ> heh
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06:26 <FIQ> !tell K2 pushed some fixes
06:26 <Beholder> Will do, FIQ!
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07:51 <aosdict> I wonder if there could ever be useful artifact instruments.
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08:44 <K2> ok
08:44 <Beholder> K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-01-17 06:26 EST: pushed some fixes
08:47 <K2> FIQhack updated (us and eu)
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08:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 2331 points, T:11034, killed by a goblin
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09:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 7606 points, T:6100, killed by a yeti
10:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] ellipsis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:10210
10:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] ellipsis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:10223
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10:21 <[Demo]> hmm
10:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] ellipsis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11023
10:39 <K2> why does it feel like Monday
10:42 <[Demo]> its snowing here
10:42 <[Demo]> so it feels like confusion
10:42 <[Demo]> its snowed here too much lately
10:51 <[Demo]> hmm for some reason im getting too many more prompts
10:51 <[Demo]> "You see here a magic marker.--More--" I press space and there is no further message
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11:13 <hothraxxa> msgtype stop
11:14 <[Demo]> well its intermittent
11:14 <[Demo]> sometimes itll pop the more prompt sometimes it wont
11:14 <hothraxxa> ah. i have a msgtype stop for magic marker and a bunch of other stuff
11:16 <hothraxxa> hm. apparently i do not in my hdf nhdev rc, which i never use
11:16 <hothraxxa> well no magic marker. most of the others are here
11:17 <[Demo]> i think its related to some monster
11:17 <[Demo]> cause when i killed em all it stopped happening
11:17 <hothraxxa> mostly about life-threatening stuff
11:17 <hothraxxa> oh yeah? sounds like fh
11:18 <hothraxxa> had a bunch of those sort of bugs when i first played it
11:18 <hothraxxa> fiq was quick to fix them
11:18 <hothraxxa> however, some might have been nh4 bugs that still exist in other variants. what are you playing?
11:18 <[Demo]> i think it is my fault
11:19 <[Demo]> modified dnh
11:19 <hothraxxa> you!
11:19 <hothraxxa> well then
11:19 <[Demo]> it could be something caused by chris my spirit monsters are hitting
11:20 <[Demo]> hmm i need to figure out how lightsaber damage is calculated
11:20 <[Demo]> cause somehow I'm doing 1.6k damage in one hit and that is way too much
11:21 <hothraxxa> i'll have whatever you're having please
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11:28 <[Demo]> oh great now it isn't doing it
11:34 <FIQ> hothraxxa: there is a nhqdb entry about fiqhack being buggy
11:34 <FIQ> but all of the referenced bugs in the quote was actually nh4 ones
11:34 <FIQ> that fh inherited
11:34 <FIQ> not saying fh isn't buggy but yeah :P
11:34 <hothraxxa> i don't see many fh bugs being reported now
11:35 <jonadab> I see a lot of fh bug _fixes_ being committed.
11:35 <jonadab> Constantly.
11:35 <jonadab> Make of that what you will.
11:35 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: idea for you: a second foot slot that consists of accessories you can wear on your shoes. Includes things like attachable crampons and bouncy soles.
11:35 <hothraxxa> i was just commenting on the number of mentions here
11:36 <jonadab> Do I want to know what "crampons" are?
11:36 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: oh shut up, my beloved winter boots broke today and now I had to buy a new pair even though they were just 4 months old! :(
11:36 <aosdict> jonadab: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crampons
11:36 <hothraxxa> i was about to ask what you were doing with them and then i realized who i was asking
11:36 <jonadab> Please tell me the word "crampons" is not a portmanteau word.
11:36 <[Demo]> it seems it is not
11:36 <jonadab> Not sure if I should follow that link or not.
11:37 <[Demo]> i am disappointed
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11:37 <aosdict> jonadab: do you really think a wikipedia link is something terrible
11:37 <FIQ> jonadab: if you are referring to my !tell k2 pushed fixes
11:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] ellipsis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13103
11:38 <FIQ> that is usually a half-truth
11:38 <FIQ> it's much easier to say "fixes" rather than actually telling exactly what I did
11:38 <jonadab> aosdict: Who knows?  Wikipedia has articles on basically everything.
11:38 <FIQ> usually when it's a lot
11:38 <FIQ> jonadab: also, I tend to make commits, then fixes to said commits
11:38 <FIQ> before actually publically notifying about the change
11:39 <aosdict> okay, for the record, crampons are spiky shoe attachments meant for crossing or climbing ice
11:39 <FIQ> aosdict: wiki gangrene
11:39 <jonadab> Ah.
11:39 <jonadab> aosdict: I mean, seriously, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_botfly
11:39 <hothraxxa> please don't
11:40 <hothraxxa> otoh if you want to start a gross-me-out challenge...
11:40 <jonadab> No, no, I was just demonstrating that just because Wikipedia has an article on it, doesn't mean it's something pleasant that I would want to know about.
11:41 <FIQ> jonadab: me too
11:41 <raisse> "wikipedia has an article about it" = "at least 2 people think it exists"
11:41 <jonadab> raisse: More or less.
11:42 * raisse invokes Rule 34
11:42 <FIQ> jonadab: but specifically I was referring to something with a picture that might be undesirable right on load
11:42 <jonadab> Rule 34 in the context of the Human botfly article = Eww.
11:42 <jonadab> FIQ: Ah.
11:42 <hothraxxa> see i was saving that in case jonadab wanted to take up the challenge
11:42 <raisse> eek yes (haven't clicked on the link but I can imagine)
11:43 <jonadab> (The botfly's just a type of insect with parasitic larva.  The rest you can imagine.)
11:43 <hothraxxa> i bet there's a wiki article on goatse
11:43 <jonadab> (Though you might not want to.)
11:43 <jonadab> hothraxxa: Probably.
11:43 <hothraxxa> which trust me, does exist
11:43 * raisse goes away to cook
11:44 <oh6> I believe there's a wikipedia article on the entire category of such sites
11:44 <hothraxxa> as there should be
11:44 <jonadab> There's also stuff like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_%28meme%29
11:45 <hothraxxa> well knowyourmeme.com is a rabbit hole, if you want to go there
11:45 <jonadab> Yeah, there is probably a Wikipedia article on that as well.
11:46 <hothraxxa> i was there for the first round of shock urls in the 90s
11:47 <jonadab> My standard example I use IRL, to explain to people just exactly how extensive Wikipedia is, is that there's an article on North Robinson, Ohio, with detailed demographics and stuff.
11:47 <jonadab> (It's a community near here, population in the low three-digits.)
11:47 <hothraxxa> also https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ
11:47 <jonadab> hothraxxa: "Church of Spam"?
11:47 <jonadab> Or was that second round?
11:48 <hothraxxa> that would be seocnd or even third
11:48 <jonadab> Ok.
11:48 <jonadab> I didn't have access to the internet until late '93.
11:49 <jonadab> So I missed the really early stuff.
11:49 <hothraxxa> i loved those days. you could spend the first hour of your morning visiting all the new sites that had gone online
11:49 <jonadab> Does the kremvax posting count, or is that a different category?
11:50 <jonadab> (I only read about that one much after the fact, of course.)
11:50 <hothraxxa> that's not shock or a meme though
11:50 <hothraxxa> i guess a meme of sorts
11:51 <jonadab> It's really a joke, but.
11:51 <hothraxxa> i can't recall when the term meme came into common use
11:51 <jonadab> Nineties.
11:51 <jonadab> Late nineties, I think.
11:51 <hothraxxa> sounds right
11:52 <jonadab> In the eighties we probably would have called them "fads".
11:52 <hothraxxa> yeah
11:54 <hothraxxa> wow! cool site of the day still exists
11:54 <jonadab> Wait, the original one?
11:54 <hothraxxa> yeah
11:54 <jonadab> Huh.
11:55 <rld> <@mtf> any of ya'll remember this? http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com/
11:55 <jonadab> I don't.
11:55 <hothraxxa> me niether
11:55 <hothraxxa> er
11:56 <hothraxxa> neither
11:56 <jonadab> I do remember when Yahoo was hosted on akebono.
11:56 <rld> <@mtf> the kid who made that website made a million dollars
11:56 <rld> <@mtf> selling pixels
11:57 <hothraxxa> akebono was one of my favourite turtles
11:57 <rld> <@mtf> It's one of the most genius ad campaigns I've ever seen
11:57 <FIQ> @mtf hah
11:57 <FIQ> never seen that
11:58 <rld> <@mtf> I wish I was smart enough to come up with a simple idea like that to get filthy rich
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11:58 <jonadab> Eh, I don't think I want the headache of trying to find an accountant I can trust.
11:58 <FIQ> how old is that site
11:58 <hothraxxa> sadly a million doesn't make you filthy rich anymore
11:59 <jonadab> And I _certainly_ don't want the headache of managing that amount of money on my own.
11:59 <rld> <@mtf> @FIQ 2005 was when it was made
11:59 <rld> <@mtf> @jonadab don't think I'd have that problem... I know enough people with those types of accountants that I'm sure I could find someone reputable
12:00 <jonadab> Ah.
12:00 <jonadab> Yeah, see, I don't really know a lot of people in that income bracket.
12:00 <jonadab> Nor the next several down from it, either.
12:00 <rld> <@mtf> I just moved in with a guy who makes ~200k a year and owns his own mansion
12:01 <rld> <@mtf> good friend of mine from college
12:01 <jonadab> Dwacious.
12:01 <[Demo]> what's he make money doing?
12:01 <FIQ> @snice
12:01 <rld> <@mtf> demo: CAO of a investment firm
12:01 <[Demo]> ah
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12:02 <rld> <@mtf> I gotta say, out of all the things that I did / learned in college, the networking I did has been the most beneficial
12:02 <FIQ> jonadab: only the homepage is still up it seems
12:02 <FIQ> err, mtf
12:02 <FIQ> of that site
12:02 <rld> <@mtf> FIQ: yea, 4 years ago 22% of the ads were dead links... can only imagine how many are now
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12:03 <rld> <@mtf> which is what makes the whole idea that much more interesting
12:03 <rld> <@mtf> these companies that clearly went out of business were so desperate for ad space that they gave a million dollars to this rando kid
12:03 <rld> <@mtf> lol
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12:08 <FIQ> I wonder how big proportion, if any, are big today
12:09 <FIQ> didn't see anything familair when I skimmed through it
12:13 <hothraxxa> my t-shirt reads "cK -- Cockatrice touches the Kop"
12:13 <hothraxxa> i don't get it
12:14 <K2> calvin klein
12:14 <hothraxxa> oh, i'm out of touch it seems
12:14 <K2> you're not missing anything
12:14 <hothraxxa> is their logo cK then?
12:15 <K2> si
12:16 <hothraxxa> i often chide my wife about how she is out of touch with popular culture. clearly i should look in a mirror
12:17 <rld> <@mtf> lel
12:17 <K2> i give my wife shit about not being able to identity 80's rock songs on the radio. nevermind that she wasnt born until 1980
12:17 <K2> *identify
12:17 <hothraxxa> cradle robbing done here
12:17 <K2> pfft
12:18 <[Demo]> that makes sense why ur kids are so young
12:18 <K2> only 9 yrs difference
12:18 <K2> yeah
12:18 <K2> i was 40 / she was 31 when we had mini me
12:20 <K2> wooo go elenmirie!
12:20 <elenmirie> thanks!
12:20 <elenmirie> I've lost Vlad
12:20 <hothraxxa> so together, you two are about as old as me
12:20 <K2> heh
12:20 <hothraxxa> i am 70 and 1/3 going on 71
12:20 <K2> 46 and 37 now
12:21 <K2> she's almost 38
12:21 <hothraxxa> oh. you WERE just about as old as me then
12:21 <K2> elenmirie: how did you lose vlad? you're on vanilla
12:21 <elenmirie> he ran out of his tower and then disappeared
12:21 <K2> or was something added concerning vlad i wasnt aware of?
12:22 <hothraxxa> won't he still read cursed teleportation?
12:22 <K2> oh
12:22 <K2> i thought the cursed tele was a grunthack only thing
12:22 <elenmirie> I've just been all the way up to DL1 and am going down level by level hunting him
12:22 <rld> <@mtf> What is better? To be born in the age of roguelikes, or to overcome AAA gaming popularity and find roguelikes through great effort?
12:22 <K2> @mtf yes
12:22 <hothraxxa> k2: i had it happen to me and i don't think it was grunthack
12:22 <rld> <@mtf> 😛
12:22 <K2> huh
12:22 <rld> <@mtf> also, name that (twisted) quote
12:23 <K2> so many variants
12:23 <K2> i cant keep track of which does what and when
12:23 <FIQ> eh
12:23 <[Demo]> oh god what the hell is this cant_go_back stuff
12:23 <FIQ> cursed tele can happen anywhere
12:23 <[Demo]> im very concerned
12:23 <hothraxxa> it was right after tangles mentioned that he always hit vlad with fire to prevent that
12:23 <K2> yeah i do as well in gh
12:23 <K2> i dont worry about it elsewhere
12:24 <FIQ> not just in grunt
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12:24 <K2> sporkhack, vlad is a bad-ass with a bad-ass weapon. proceed with caution
12:24 <hothraxxa> which is the variant that has his wives? that one got me
12:24 <K2> dnethack i think?
12:24 <FIQ> dnethack yes
12:25 <FIQ> but vlad is much earlier there
12:25 <FIQ> he isn't technically stronger than in vanilla
12:27 <K2> we should all get together for halloween and dress up as each persons favorite version of vlad
12:27 <elenmirie> got him.
12:27 <K2> \o/
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12:40 <rld> <@luxidream> my favorite version of vlad is the FH one
12:40 <rld> <@luxidream> he spawned with a two handed sword of mercy
12:40 <FIQ> hahahahaha
12:40 <FIQ> that's amazing
12:40 <rld> <@mtf> lolwat
12:40 <FIQ> I should perhaps prevent bosses from doing that
12:40 <rld> <@riker> nah
12:40 <FIQ> but eh, that sounds hilariou
12:40 <FIQ> s
12:40 <rld> <@riker> let them stay
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12:41 <rld> <@riker> fiq: nurses should also have a 10% chance of spawning with a weapon of mercy
12:41 <FIQ> (for reference: mercy converts damage to healing)
12:41 <rld> <@mtf> I def feel like that's something that shouldn't happen
12:41 <rld> <@mtf> lol
12:41 <FIQ> @riker I considered that actually
12:41 <rld> <@mtf> bosses w/ healing weps seems dumb
12:41 <rld> <@riker> 1% chance of a blessed fixed +9 two-handed sword of mercy
12:41 <rld> <@luxidream> nurses seem to get random attack spells
12:42 <rld> <@luxidream> so I’m just nurse dancing when I get hit with magic missiles
12:42 <FIQ> oh I thought I gave them a fixed spell list of healing spells
12:42 <rld> <@luxidream> like what
12:42 <rld> <@mtf> "You cut off the newt's head! The newt seems to feel a lot better!"
12:42 <FIQ> specifically to prevent that
12:42 <FIQ> I guess I forgot
12:42 <FIQ> let me fix that
12:42 <[Demo]> maybe it was a sad newt
12:42 <rld> <@mtf> whooo elen
12:42 <rld> <@mtf> you got this
12:43 <hothraxxa> something must have happened. that's like two elenmirie games
12:43 <hothraxxa> in turns
12:43 <FIQ> pushed a fix to nurses
12:44 <elenmirie> hothraxxa: I'm trying not to die so damn much
12:44 <elenmirie> :)
12:44 <hothraxxa> heh
12:44 <FIQ> !tell K2 pushed a fix to prevent nurses from pounding you with attack spells when nurse dancing by not giving them any spells beyond (extra) healing
12:44 <Beholder> Will do, FIQ!
12:45 <hothraxxa> elenmirie: try some variants. i'm still avoiding 3.6.1
12:45 <FIQ> compromise
12:45 <FIQ> you try 3.6.1
12:45 <FIQ> elenmirie tries dynahack
12:45 <FIQ> :P
12:45 <elenmirie> heh
12:45 <K2> bwahahah
12:45 <Beholder> K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-01-17 12:44 EST: pushed a fix to prevent nurses from pounding you with attack spells when nurse dancing by not giving them any spells beyond (extra) healing
12:46 <K2> FIQ thats awesome
12:46 <hothraxxa> fiq: i accidentally played a 3.6.1 orc wizard
12:46 <FIQ> the nurse thing or vlad?
12:46 <hothraxxa> ascended
12:46 <K2> both
12:46 <K2> but esp the nurse bit
12:46 <hothraxxa> but it was local
12:46 <FIQ> heh
12:46 <hothraxxa> that was my rodney-less ascension
12:52 <[Demo]> kill the wizard of moloch
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12:58 <[Demo]> what a cheap bribe
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13:00 <rld> <@riker> TIL pray can restore attribute loss from poison
13:02 <[Demo]> yeah they do a neat blessed restore abil
13:10 <rld> <@riker> thanks god: prayed and got a minion.. a dwaf
13:10 <rld> <@riker> just a plain dwarf with mines equipment
13:10 <[Demo]> in what variant?
13:11 <rld> <@riker> dnh
13:12 <[Demo]> from prayer?
13:12 <rld> <@riker> yep
13:15 <K2> bad wizard, bad!
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13:17 <[Demo]> did you have low health?
13:17 <[Demo]> i thought dnh didnt implement minions from prayer..
13:19 <elenmirie> what the hell are rock trolls doing on the plane of air?
13:19 <elenmirie> I guess they came through the portal
13:22 <rld> <@riker> [demo] yeah I was at 1 hp :p
13:22 <rld> <@riker> and oh it def does I've gotten a mirkwood spider from that
13:24 <[Demo]> someone told me otherwise at some point i think
13:25 <rld> <@riker> obviously not :p
13:30 <K2> wewt
13:30 <elenmirie> streak of 2... :p
13:30 <K2> too bad we dont track losing streaks
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13:30 <elenmirie> oh, I'd be the champ at that!
13:30 <K2> never! its meeeeee
13:31 <K2> lol
13:31 <elenmirie> lol
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13:55 <rld> <@Tone> !deathstreak
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13:58 <K2> i read that as 'deathsteak'
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14:07 <aosdict> K2: thanks for the new fruitname
14:07 <K2> :)
14:07 <[Demo]> oh nice elenmirie!
14:08 <elenmirie> thx [Demo]!
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14:17 <hothraxxa> You put the Amulet of Yendor into the bag of holding.
14:17 <hothraxxa> hah
14:17 <rld> <@riker> k then
14:17 <hothraxxa> FAKE AMULET
14:18 <[Demo]> epi: fake amulets blow up bags of holding
14:18 <hothraxxa> you monster!
14:19 <rld> <@riker> epi: scrolls and spellbooks blow up oilskin sacks
14:21 <K2> !tell ais523 stormbringer issue (nh4): it's not just shopkeepers/guard types - any friendly/peaceful creature you encounter, stormbringers 'bloodthirsty' behavior does not engage
14:21 <Beholder> Will do, K2!
14:22 <[Demo]> wonder if fiqhack changes the bloodthirsty behavior
14:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:25932
14:22 <jonadab> NH4 does.  Fourk does more.
14:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:25955
14:22 <jonadab> Not sure if fh has anything beyond the NH4 change.
14:22 <[Demo]> what do they do?
14:23 <K2> jonadab: so the nh4 issue with stormbringer is deliberate?
14:23 <jonadab> In Fourk, wielding Stormbringer makes peaceful and tame monsters consider you a valid target to attack.  Until you unwield it.
14:23 <LarienTelrunya> riker: play slex! *bundlebundlebundle*
14:23 <rld> <@riker> can't am doing bio hw
14:23 <jonadab> NH4 just removes the UI screw that 3.x has.
14:23 <rld> <@riker> I was thinking about playing earlier but I migth do it in a bit
14:23 <[Demo]> so it does nothing?
14:24 <jonadab> Basically.
14:24 <[Demo]> nice
14:24 <LarienTelrunya> ah, yay :) (I'm too tired to play anymore today since I don't want to YASD my characters, but I always like to watch others play)
14:24 <[Demo]> gonna play my slex monk on hdf if u wanna watch
14:25 <LarienTelrunya> are you gonna segfault scum? :P
14:25 <jonadab> K2: It's deliberate, yes, in accordance with the Interhack Principle.
14:25 <rld> <@riker> u got dis
14:25 <rld> <@riker> [demo] race?
14:25 <[Demo]> probably not
14:25 <[Demo]> troll
14:25 <LarienTelrunya> well, a 211x58 terminal does cause that weird buffer overrun as we've observed
14:25 <rld> <@riker> -1 is not wraith
14:25 <rld> <@riker> wraith or angel monks are great
14:25 <rld> <@riker> larien: please merge dnh monk changes
14:25 <[Demo]> oh yeah, whats xcnf and xstn?
14:26 <rld> <@riker> (more resistances past lvl 17)
14:26 <rld> <@riker> xcnf is very confused, xstn is very stunned
14:26 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: status effects that you cannot cure; you have to wait them out
14:26 <rld> <@riker> think they don't time out normally / last mcuh longer / effects are strong
14:26 <rld> <@riker> 1 of those
14:26 <rld> <@riker> i was close
14:26 <LarienTelrunya> riker: the monk is powerful enough as is, giving intrinsic acid resistance and stuff would make them OP
14:26 <rld> <@riker> no
14:26 <rld> <@riker> does not >:U
14:27 <LarienTelrunya> in fact, monk is the only slex role that has 2 ascensions already
14:27 <rld> <@riker> oh really? TIL
14:27 <rld> <@riker> larien: but pleasseeee
14:27 <LarienTelrunya> one of them was in lost soul mode, which should tell you something ;)
14:27 <rld> <@riker> you even get intrinsic MR >.>
14:27 <LarienTelrunya> oh, you can get intrinsic MR as a monk in slex! incantifier! :D
14:27 <rld> <@riker> ... that doens't help
14:27 <LarienTelrunya> why not? is that a weaker magic resistance than the monk's one in your book? :P
14:27 <rld> <@riker> I've always loved intrinsic stone resis
14:28 <rld> <@riker> no but slex incs are dumb
14:28 <[Demo]> what is this weird level with a lot of trolls and purple dueragers
14:28 <LarienTelrunya> wraith! they have intrinsic stoning res :P
14:28 <rld> <@riker> the mines? :p
14:28 <rld> <@riker> wait, do they? hm I migth go back to wraith monks
14:28 <[Demo]> no
14:28 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: maybe you have a throne room or something on this level
14:28 * aosdict checks balance issues list for if unicorn horn being a perfect panacea for status problems is on there
14:29 <rld> <@riker> do they still get the gauntlets of defense larien?
14:29 <[Demo]> shit passive sliming
14:29 <rld> <@riker> ^
14:29 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: there is at least one point in the game where it's not, and it's Pestilence and his stun attack :P
14:29 <rld> <@riker> run away from moaner types
14:29 <jonadab> aosdict: The real problem with unicorn horns is, once you find one once, you have no further use for a bunch of things for the rest of the game.
14:29 <jonadab> Several potions, spells, etc.
14:29 <aosdict> jonadab: yes, that is the balance issue.
14:29 <LarienTelrunya> riker: role-specific sacrifice gifts are no longer guaranteed in slex, though there's a relatively high chance to get them from sacrifice
14:29 <rld> <@riker> larien: at least port dnh's monk AC (lvl and wiz + no body armor = more AC)
14:30 <LarienTelrunya> riker: no body armor already means more AC for slex monks!
14:30 <rld> <@riker> oh does it? kk cool
14:30 <LarienTelrunya> well, not sure what about robes, IMHO the robe should not nullify the bonus, don't know if it does
14:30 <[Demo]> ooh a hydra bow
14:30 <LarienTelrunya> nice! monks get expert bow skill
14:31 <LarienTelrunya> in fact, with that lost soul monk, my main weapon was a +7 orcish bow, and I left martial arts at basic :P
14:31 <[Demo]> is hydra bow actually good?
14:31 <LarienTelrunya> yes, that multishot bonus kicks ass
14:32 <LarienTelrunya> with the cavewoman I got an artifact hydra bow that does fire damage as a sacrifice gift
14:32 <LarienTelrunya> it was killing non-fire-resistant things amazingly quickly!
14:33 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: obtw, you can tame the timid troll with tripe rations if you want a tame one
14:34 <[Demo]> oh neat
14:34 <LarienTelrunya> certain other food types might also work, e.g. corpses, candy bars, food rations, sandwiches
14:35 <LarienTelrunya> there used to be a bug where they could even be tamed with vegetables but I fixed that
14:38 <[Demo]> can trolls eat humans?
14:38 <[Demo]> like the race
14:38 <LarienTelrunya> yes, you can eat whatever you want, even other trolls :)
14:40 <LarienTelrunya> pry that wand out of the ooze's hands!
14:40 <[Demo]> is it real?
14:40 <[Demo]> or a trap?
14:40 <LarienTelrunya> yes, you can zap yourself to gain more max HP; beware when trying to charge it, for they often come already recharged
14:41 <rld> <@riker> what is it?
14:41 <rld> <@riker> wand of (extra) healing
14:41 <LarienTelrunya> wand of increase max hitpoints
14:41 <rld> <@riker> *?
14:41 <rld> <@riker> lo
14:41 <rld> <@riker> lol
14:41 <[Demo]> cool didnt  instakill me
14:41 <rld> <@riker> LOL
14:41 <LarienTelrunya> hahaha, you're just begging me to add an artifact version that will instakill you! :D
14:43 <[Demo]> oh this is bad
14:44 <LarienTelrunya> huh? what happened?
14:46 <[Demo]> lava level
14:47 <LarienTelrunya> ah
14:47 <rld> <@riker> that's why you go angels :D
14:47 <[Demo]> i have an amulet of flying but im a troll so fire is danger
14:47 <rld> <@riker> why? o-O
14:48 <LarienTelrunya> trolls cannot have fire resistance, ever
14:48 <rld> <@riker> ah
14:48 <rld> <@riker> that's dumb but ok
14:48 <LarienTelrunya> why? trolls fear fire :)
14:51 <rld> <@luxidream> what is Slex’s best polyform
14:51 <LarienTelrunya> uhh... that's hard to answer :D
14:51 <[Demo]> what is this strange branch?
14:51 <LarienTelrunya> some of the high-level shoes are terrific polymorph forms, but good luck actually turning into them
14:52 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: it's a 5-level branch that has a town at the top (hence it's called the "Town" branch)
14:52 <[Demo]> oh so like unnethack but longer?
14:52 <LarienTelrunya> huh, it was shorter in unnethack? because that's where I stole it from :D
14:53 <rld> <@luxidream> It’s 2 levels or something there
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14:53 <rld> <@luxidream> very short
14:53 <[Demo]> what does sputa boot base item do?
14:53 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: means that this pair of boots is high-heeled, even if the base item is not
14:53 <[Demo]> ah ok
14:54 <LarienTelrunya> huh, you don't want to wear an infoless helmet? :)
14:56 <rld> <@riker> RIP
14:57 <[Demo]> yeah it looks unfun
14:57 <elenmirie> *sigh*
14:57 <rld> <@luxidream> YANI: Helm of beginner’s luck. Gives +13 luck as long as the player is a beginner by score
14:58 <rld> <@riker> score or xp?
14:58 <rld> <@luxidream> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Beginner
14:59 <[Demo]> "You feel that someone forgot to close the door to the freezer" uh oh
14:59 <rld> <@riker> lol wut
14:59 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: means that there's a cooling chamber on the level
14:59 <rld> <@riker> which means?
14:59 <LarienTelrunya> a special room filled with cold- and ice-themed monsters
14:59 <rld> <@riker> ah cool
14:59 <aosdict> @luxidream that will lead to a lot of people trying minscore...
14:59 <rld> <@luxidream> I wasn’t serious
14:59 <rld> <@luxidream> yasi*
14:59 <rld> <@riker> minscore is still like 10x more than that
15:00 <rld> <@riker> beginner I mea
15:00 <rld> <@riker> mean
15:00 <rld> <@luxidream> You get most of it at the end though
15:00 <[Demo]> ice blocks?
15:00 <[Demo]> oh theres a sad face in there
15:00 <LarienTelrunya> basically a stronger cold attack that has a higher chance of shattering potions and can freeze you solid
15:00 <LarienTelrunya> :(
15:00 <[Demo]> what happens if i freeze solid?
15:00 <rld> <@riker> you're paralyzed
15:00 <rld> <@riker> and then slowed once you get out iirc
15:00 <LarienTelrunya> it means that you move at half speed unless you eat an orange
15:00 <rld> <@luxidream> It’s like pokemon
15:00 <rld> <@riker> or maybe just #2
15:00 <rld> <@riker> okt hat
15:01 <rld> <@luxidream> You sit there until you die
15:01 <[Demo]> does it time out?
15:01 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, in fact it just timed out in a single turn for you there
15:01 <rld> <@riker> lol
15:01 <LarienTelrunya> also please don't choke over the orange :P
15:01 <rld> <@riker> LOL
15:02 <[Demo]> good idea
15:02 <LarienTelrunya> one way to get rid of excessive nutrition is to cast a lot of spells
15:02 <[Demo]> did i hit some sort of adom trap?
15:03 <rld> <@riker> definitely
15:03 <rld> <@riker> I don't know what's happeneinng but it's like a 99% chance you did
15:03 <rld> <@riker> since this is slex
15:03 <LarienTelrunya> the message about feeing a certain tension just means there's a tension room on the level
15:04 <rld> <@riker> oooh adom rooms
15:04 <rld> <@riker> those are always !fun!
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15:04 <rld> <@luxidream> SLEX yani: Trap trap. Your gender is changed to male if it wasn’t, but all characters in game assume you’re female
15:05 <LarienTelrunya> LOL
15:05 <[Demo]> hmm what did i hit here?
15:05 <LarienTelrunya> guess :D hint: press : while on that tile
15:05 <[Demo]> whats it do?
15:06 <LarienTelrunya> many random things, but in this case you got hit by a particularly nasty effect that curses a bunch of stuff in your inventory
15:06 <[Demo]> well that sucks
15:06 <LarienTelrunya> how can you even play without menucolors, I'm wondering?
15:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Demo (Mon Tro Mal Law) killed Mister Who, on T:10298
15:07 <[Demo]> its slex
15:07 <[Demo]> how can you even play to begin with?
15:07 <LarienTelrunya> well if you can't, does that mean me seeing you play is only an illusion?
15:08 <LarienTelrunya> oh, I guess I'm dreaming, and I'll wake up any moment now ;)
15:08 * LarienTelrunya wants an amulet of restful sleep to ensure the beautiful dream doesn't end
15:09 <[Demo]> this town sucks
15:09 <LarienTelrunya> hopefully you have a key
15:09 <[Demo]> every store is closef!
15:09 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, that's "locktown", one of the different versions of this level
15:09 <[Demo]> oh neat
15:10 <LarienTelrunya> if you can unlock the stores, you can then shop as normal
15:11 <LarienTelrunya> shit, the curse got your bag of holding!
15:12 <[Demo]> yeah
15:13 <LarienTelrunya> one way to get at the items is to put a wand of cancellation or bag of tricks inside, which will destroy the bag of holding (obviously) and, since this is slex, scatter the contents over the floor; however, potions and items made of glass will break in the process
15:14 <[Demo]> another way is a damn potion of holy water
15:14 <[Demo]> also if i had cancellation could i not just cancel it?
15:14 <LarienTelrunya> yes, put the bag on the ground and zap it
15:14 <LarienTelrunya> that will remove the curse without affecting the contents
15:14 <LarienTelrunya> yet another way is to wield the bag and read remove curse
15:16 <LarienTelrunya> btw [Demo], as a troll you're immune to sickness, so you can melee things with sickness attacks and eat tainted corpses :)
15:16 <[Demo]> oh neat
15:16 <aosdict> it'd be interesting if zapping cancellation at a floor BOH converted it to a sack. But on the other hand that's a terrible idea since it's literally the only way to remove its curse if you can't lift it.
15:22 <[Demo]> what does styx river do?
15:22 <LarienTelrunya> it contaminates you if you move over it
15:23 <LarienTelrunya> the effect is reduced while flying though
15:23 <bhaak> LarienTelrunya, [Demo]: it used to be longer, with some generic fill levels. later I removed them and made the river level. also to explain why nobody from town would descend into the dungeon.
15:24 <LarienTelrunya> oh, *that* river level, the one I turned into a bigroom in slex :D
15:24 <bhaak> did you take my mandelbrot bigroom as well?
15:24 <LarienTelrunya> of course, I love that one! ♥
15:25 <bhaak> <3
15:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Demo (Mon Tro Mal Law) killed Elif, on T:12072
15:27 <LarienTelrunya> aww, poor Elif
15:27 <rld> <@riker> @le?elif
15:27 <Beholder> Elif (r) | Lvl: 1 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 18 | Res: disintegrate poison petrification | Confers: poison | MR: 20 | Generates: unique | AC: 7 | Attacks: 1d4 weapon physical, 1d5 kick disarm, 1d2 breath drain str | Alignment: 15 | Flags: omnivore, breathless, nopoly, stalker
15:27 <rld> <@riker> let me guess: it's a shoe? :p
15:27 <LarienTelrunya> no, but she loves using her shoes to kick the player's hands bloodily :D
15:27 <[Demo]> its the word file backwars
15:28 <[Demo]> there are so many strange branches
15:28 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, and they're almost all optional and only one level long
15:29 <[Demo]> cant figure out what the hell this branch is supposed to be
15:29 <LarienTelrunya> it would normally be the stronghold, but slex special levels have a chance of being replaced with different random ones; I think this is actually a bigroom?
15:30 <[Demo]> what even
15:30 <LarienTelrunya> if you don't feel like clearing it, you don't have to :)
15:31 <[Demo]> how contaminated does a contamination trap get me?
15:31 <[Demo]> and can unihorns restore stat loss?
15:32 <LarienTelrunya> as long as it didn't display an extra message like "You're now suffering from slight contamination", you got less than 100 points of contamination
15:32 <LarienTelrunya> unihorns can restore stat loss, but it doesn't always work and can result in losing stat points forever; wisdom lost due to contamination is always lost permanently
15:32 <LarienTelrunya> weird how you only have 5 wisdom as a monk
15:32 <[Demo]> oh
15:33 <rld> <@riker> weeping angel? :p
15:33 <LarienTelrunya> riker: yes, except in slex it's flavored as a generic contamination and has many more sources
15:35 <[Demo]> do wooden tables do anything?
15:35 <LarienTelrunya> yes: while standing on one, you have +5 to-hit, and you can pick things up from wooden tables even while levitating
15:36 <[Demo]> what about the straw beds in sleeping rooms?
15:36 <LarienTelrunya> straw mattresses are a hazard; standing on one can randomly make you fall asleep, and sleep resistance reduces the chance but doesn't eliminate it
15:36 <LarienTelrunya> oh, you found one of the alignment quest portals!
15:36 <rld> <@riker> wagons are good too
15:36 <[Demo]> that low?
15:36 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, the portals can be from 15-39
15:36 <[Demo]> would think slex would push them further
15:36 <[Demo]> what do wagons do?
15:37 <LarienTelrunya> it's random :)
15:37 <LarienTelrunya> standing on a wagon improves your AC and hides you, so monsters have a harder time finding you
15:37 <[Demo]> ah yeah right i was using one
15:37 <rld> <@riker> burning wagons are kinda teh same but you also take fire damage iirc
15:37 <[Demo]> law quest
15:37 <[Demo]> neato
15:37 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, and you got the vanilla slashem version
15:38 <[Demo]> oh theres a hell slex version?
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15:38 <rld> <@riker> of course
15:38 <[Demo]> did the vanilla one get slexified at all?
15:38 <LarienTelrunya> there's 3 slex-specific versions of each alignment quest, and the lawful ones in particular have very different, much more difficult solutions :P
15:38 <rld> <@riker> probably
15:38 <LarienTelrunya> the vanilla one is mainly the same, except you can't cheese out the spice girls as easily because Elbereth cannot be engraved on the clouds anymore :D
15:39 <[Demo]> its too bad i already have an amulet of flying
15:39 <[Demo]> portal broke
15:39 <[Demo]> oh weird
15:39 <LarienTelrunya> the magic portal only has a chance of working; just keep trying
15:39 <LarienTelrunya> (this is an anti-portaldancing measure)
15:40 <[Demo]> ah
15:40 <bhaak> a bigroom with a shop
15:41 <LarienTelrunya> bhaak: slex has that, I guess it's also from un originally?
15:41 <[Demo]> wonder if this quest is worth doing
15:42 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: in the current slex version, you can very easily cheese the game by knowing one of the sphere spells and spamming that to wake Vlad, so you don't really need to do the alignment quests
15:42 <LarienTelrunya> might be worth it to get to the guaranteed coaligned altar though
15:42 <LarienTelrunya> and no matter what you do, *do not* chat with the priest
15:43 <[Demo]> oh damn bearkiller bolts seem nice
15:43 <LarienTelrunya> yes, and the +50 damage is not a typo
15:43 <bhaak> LarienTelrunya: no, you have a comment there that you had a dream about it
15:43 <LarienTelrunya> ah, yeah I did :)
15:44 <LarienTelrunya> sweet slexy dreams of YANIness ♥
15:44 <aosdict> bhaak: I like the mandelbrot bigroom
15:44 <[Demo]> man a lot of artifacts
15:45 <LarienTelrunya> and lots of thrown potions of confusion, it seems!
15:45 <[Demo]> yeah
15:45 <[Demo]> damn shame kingslayer doesnt give the warning like it does in dnh
15:46 <LarienTelrunya> whaaaaaaaaaat why did the game make an active superscroller trap
15:46 <[Demo]> it must hate me
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15:47 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: hint: you can eat the dragon corpses when they're tainted, and they'll give intrinsics if you get lucky!
15:48 <[Demo]> can i tin them?
15:48 <LarienTelrunya> the black one in particular :D
15:48 <LarienTelrunya> well, that tinning kit is probably empty, but if you have one with charges then yes
15:49 <LarienTelrunya> yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay :D:D:D
15:49 <[Demo]> can i just eat them all?
15:49 <rld> <@riker> yes
15:49 <[Demo]> why are they so low nutrition?
15:49 <LarienTelrunya> sure, although I think gray and deep don't convey anything
15:49 <rld> <@riker> but you will likely choke
15:49 <LarienTelrunya> they're tainted and thus give 0 nutrition
15:50 <rld> <@riker> ah cool
15:51 <LarienTelrunya> wtf the troll is attacking the priest???
15:51 <[Demo]> yeah he's a real badass
15:51 <rld> <@riker> u got dis timid troll
15:52 <rld> <@riker> who is likely lvled up now
15:52 <rld> <@riker> kill da priest
15:53 <[Demo]> lost him
15:53 <[Demo]> he just kinda went away
15:53 <LarienTelrunya> you can also use #sit on the portal to trigger it again
15:54 <LarienTelrunya> maybe the troll killed the priest while he was in one of the other rooms
15:54 <aosdict> K2: do you have any interest in documenting spork changes better than they are on the wiki (like half the links on its page are red, and it doesn't go into enough detail)? You seem to be one of the most active players. I'd do it but don't really know it very well.
15:54 <LarienTelrunya> aww, Force Field is a fake :(
15:55 <aosdict> (of course, lorimer might be the better person to do it, but I doubt he has time :)
16:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Demo (Mon Tro Mal Law) killed Nightmare, on T:13730
16:02 <LarienTelrunya> woohoo! TROPHY GET!
16:02 <LarienTelrunya> good job [Demo]!
16:02 <[Demo]> fuck
16:02 <LarienTelrunya> there were more unihorns from the unicorns you killed
16:02 <[Demo]> yeah bit
16:02 <[Demo]> idk what letter
16:02 <LarienTelrunya> uh-oh, it's cursed!
16:03 <[Demo]> good god
16:03 <LarienTelrunya> the one in slot y is the cursed one
16:03 <LarienTelrunya> better adjust the noncursed one to your usual unihorn slot
16:04 <[Demo]> how dangerous are thrones?
16:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:30915
16:04 <LarienTelrunya> not much more dangerous than in vanilla, and they can give some amazing good effects, including unrestricting a skill that your role normally wouldn't get
16:04 <LarienTelrunya> with some luck you might even learn how to dual-wield!
16:04 <LarienTelrunya> aww...
16:05 <[Demo]> heh
16:05 <[Demo]> can i drop it in lava?
16:05 <LarienTelrunya> nope, but you can try to dip it in lava, not sure if that does something
16:05 <LarienTelrunya> some items can be destroyed that way
16:06 <LarienTelrunya> alternately, find a water tile and dip it repeatedly to rust it away
16:06 <LarienTelrunya> that lich vault for example
16:06 <LarienTelrunya> (don't wake the lich unless you know what you're doing, of course :D)
16:07 <[Demo]> right yeah
16:08 <K2> aosdict: yes I am. I can move/clean that up a bit over next few days
16:13 <[Demo]> weird looking rooms seem bad
16:13 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, don't move around in them
16:13 <[Demo]> what do they do?
16:13 <LarienTelrunya> they have nasty traps everywhere
16:16 <[Demo]> i really hope that boulder is a real artifact
16:16 <LarienTelrunya> it is, but how are you gonna lift it?
16:16 <[Demo]> oh god it is
16:17 <LarienTelrunya> it gives slotless magic resistance but you have to be a giant
16:18 <[Demo]> a boulder seems like a slot to me
16:18 <[Demo]> like more than an entire inventory worth
16:18 <[Demo]> is this level a level worth caring about?
16:19 <LarienTelrunya> well, every level can have one of the alignment quest portals, but other than that, nope
16:19 <FIQ> K2: having enhanced watchmode on dyna would be cool though
16:20 <FIQ> maybe it can be done some other way
16:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law), 295941 points, T:31006, killed by a red dragon
16:20 <FIQ> I want to do something like it in curses interface for NH3 as well
16:21 <[Demo]> uh oh
16:21 <[Demo]> hit a portal and feel deathly cold
16:21 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, Vecna's level
16:21 <[Demo]> figured
16:21 <[Demo]> what does slex do for those?
16:21 <LarienTelrunya> this is the "stormy mountain" version I created, and it's possibly the easiest version of the Vecna level
16:22 <aosdict> K2: yeah, a lot of new pages could be created, or existing ones have a SporkHack section added
16:22 <LarienTelrunya> basically it's a long, winding path to Vecna, so you're free to do it at your leisure rather than being surrounded by 50 undead
16:22 <[Demo]> oh wow
16:22 <[Demo]> so when pummle comes back i can kick his ass?
16:22 <LarienTelrunya> see lich-2 in Lich.des
16:22 <aosdict> K2: also the spork page image is... a dgl screen. >.>
16:22 <LarienTelrunya> well pummel alone won't kill Vecna, he's level 49 and therefore has lots of HP; you'd need chained blitz
16:23 <[Demo]> holy shit thats a lot of Ls
16:24 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, you should have magic resistance when going in
16:24 <LarienTelrunya> also, your fists only count as a +3 weapon right now, but Vecna needs +4 to be hit reliably, which requires you to be XL16
16:25 <[Demo]> ah damn
16:25 <[Demo]> good knowledge
16:25 <FIQ> aosdict: it's great, isn't it
16:26 <[Demo]> oh my
16:26 <FIQ> aosdict: how about replacing it with the fancy new character selection screen instead
16:26 <FIQ> since an ingame screenshot doesn't really say much
16:26 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: up that high heels skill :D
16:26 <[Demo]> uhh
16:27 <LarienTelrunya> also read the description of that spear, hahaha
16:27 <[Demo]> oh no its evil
16:27 <[Demo]> oh shit wait i can get half phys from carrying?
16:27 <LarienTelrunya> what? nope, it requires you to wield it
16:27 <[Demo]> damn
16:28 <[Demo]> thought that was how SPFX_HPDAM worked
16:28 <LarienTelrunya> well, like many other artifact properties, it can be either when wielded or when carried
16:28 <LarienTelrunya> chances are in dnethack it's when carried :D
16:28 <LarienTelrunya> though I guess the spear could be useful if you somehow find sources of hallu/conf/stun resistance, all of which are very rare
16:29 <[Demo]> hmm
16:29 <[Demo]> when will i find the quest?
16:29 <LarienTelrunya> you mean the actual monk quest? also 15-39
16:29 <[Demo]> well shit
16:30 <aosdict> FIQ: I'd go with a shot of a spork-exclusive level that contains some other sporky stuff and a sporky pline.
16:30 <aosdict> of course, wikis can have multiple images
16:30 <FIQ> Sounds reasonable
16:30 <FIQ> Not something I can produce as easily though since I don't know spork :P
16:31 <FIQ> also I should create a screenshot to show on the fiqhack page probably
16:31 <FIQ> it doesn't have a screesnhot at all
16:31 <FIQ> *screenshot
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16:34 <[Demo]> hmm i dont like this branch
16:34 <LarienTelrunya> lost tomb, but it got replaced with some sort of random cavern?!
16:34 <LarienTelrunya> if that mind flayer leaves a corpse, eat it :)
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16:35 <[Demo]> damn troll
16:35 <LarienTelrunya> :(
16:38 <[Demo]> i figure wear testing most armour isnt safe even if uncursed?
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16:46 <StatueSurfer> hey
16:46 <Beholder> Hello StatueSurfer, Welcome to #hardfought
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16:55 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: my connection suddenly dropped without telling me; it's also very late now so I'll be off to bed. You seem to be having a good run, and I'm looking forward to see the continuation :)
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17:05 <lorimer> HAY GUISE
17:05 <Beholder> lorimer: Message from K2 at 2017-12-23 19:03 EST: in sporkhack, splint mail is treated as being leather in material, was that on purpose or is this a minor bug?
17:06 <lorimer> bad beholder.
17:06 <lorimer> that's not the response i was looking for! :)
17:07 <lorimer> also apparently i don't talk enough. Anyway. K2: I am pretty sure I meant to build out the concept of "bamboo splint mail", and leather was the cheapest way to turn it non-metal
17:07 <lorimer> ie. least dev effort.  I don't think I ever followed through and built out the additional material code to support it though
17:09 <FIQ> ooh so you can use it to cast in :D
17:09 <FIQ> more AC than leather armor, allthough I think also more heavy
17:09 <FIQ> lorimer: anyway... wood?
17:12 <aosdict> FIQ: EPI: the Wizard of Yendor always or commonly generates with a +7 helm of brilliance.
17:12 <FIQ> aosdict: I don't think it would make much of a difference
17:12 <FIQ> Also it would mean nice polyfodder
17:12 <FIQ> it's more a nice patch idea
17:13 <aosdict> perhaps I was overvaluing fiqhack's monster spellcasting formula
17:13 <FIQ> http://home.fiq.se/wiz_spells.png
17:14 <FIQ> aosdict: It is just the vanilla formula
17:14 <aosdict> and by the time you're facing the Wizard enough to take his helm from him, aren't you basically done with polypiling anyway
17:14 <FIQ> Wizard of Yendor is level 30+, has Expert in all spell schools
17:14 <aosdict> FIQ: I meant the Int and Wis contributions to it
17:14 <FIQ> So seeing him with anything other than 0% would be weird
17:14 <FIQ> aosdict: Ah
17:15 <aosdict> I suppose it has more of an effect on pw regen than anything else, then.
17:15 <aosdict> But it makes flavor sense that the Wizard would find equipment that boosts his own mental capacities.
17:17 <rld> <@riker> !tell Chris_ANG "you christen it" msg always appears even if you have multiple, should pluraize
17:17 <Beholder> Will do, @riker!
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17:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 478348 points, T:50894, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hothraxxa/dynahack/dumplog/2018-01-17%2017_44_34%2C%20hothraxxa-Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha%2C%20ascended.txt
17:45 <hothraxxa> there ya go, first dynahack orc wizard
17:45 <[Demo]> oh wow nice
17:45 <hothraxxa> no geno no wish no elbereth no polyself
17:47 <hothraxxa> btw whoever gave famine that amulet of reflection, i'll get you for that
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18:31 <hothraxxa> hrm. what does magi mean under conducts? (on scoreboard.xd.cm)
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19:26 <FIQ> it means your magic usage was so great that it deserved a conduct of its own
19:26 <FIQ> (I don't know)
19:29 <FIQ> tariru is at 43 now
19:29 <StatueSurfer> he hasn't ascended again since yesterday
19:29 <StatueSurfer> i'm disappointed
19:29 <FIQ> lol
19:30 <StatueSurfer> he might be the one person who can ascend slex
19:30 <StatueSurfer> but no he's just gonna do vanilla a zillion and a half times
19:30 <FIQ> !streak Tariru
19:30 <Beholder> FIQ: No streaks for Tariru.
19:31 <FIQ> what a noob
19:32 <StatueSurfer> i know next time i play slex i'll just blessed geno everything
19:32 <FIQ> that wont work
19:32 <[Demo]> oh neat trickery code segfaulted
19:32 <FIQ> the hardest monsters in each sym is ungenocideable
19:33 <FIQ> and geno only works 90% of the time
19:33 <rld> <@riker> and they resist geno
19:33 <StatueSurfer> wow
19:33 <FIQ> on a per-monster basis
19:33 <rld> <@riker> based on MR iirc
19:33 <rld> <@riker> iirc amy tried to blessed geno ; for her quest once
19:33 <rld> <@riker> and had the quest monster resist geno
19:33 <rld> <@riker> :D
19:33 <FIQ> (I pulled 90% out of my ass, but it's something like that)
19:33 <StatueSurfer> that's just
19:33 <rld> <@riker> it's not 90% fiq it's based on monster mr
19:33 <FIQ> ah ok
19:33 <StatueSurfer> i've maintained since my last run that slex is just a bunch of fake difficulty
19:34 <FIQ> StatueSurfer: yes, pretty much
19:34 <[Demo]> slex is god tier
19:34 <FIQ> whether you suck at nethack
19:34 <[Demo]> its a very powerful insult
19:34 <FIQ> or you're Tariru
19:34 <FIQ> ascending slex will remain a crapshoot
19:34 <[Demo]> slex is more insulting than any words could be
19:34 <[Demo]> and that is always neat
19:34 <rld> <@riker> lol
19:34 <StatueSurfer> except for amy, which doesn't count, since she understands everything in the game
19:34 <StatueSurfer> and still dies
19:34 <FIQ> [Demo]: you mean like saying something is like slex?
19:35 <FIQ> StatueSurfer: I think her asc rate is like 5%
19:35 <[Demo]> heh
19:35 <StatueSurfer> lol
19:35 <[Demo]> slex is a matter of perspective
19:35 <StatueSurfer> i think this proves that slex is a fundamentally broken game
19:35 <[Demo]> you gotta not look at it as you would any sane game
19:35 <StatueSurfer> i have to go with jonadab on this
19:35 <FIQ> well IMO slex' main issue isn't really the fake difficulty
19:35 <FIQ> it just makes it lack any semblance of balance
19:36 <rld> <@riker> ^
19:36 <[Demo]> slex is brilliant and nuts
19:36 <FIQ> but it can still be fun to play
19:36 <FIQ> however
19:36 <FIQ> my experience of slex
19:36 <rld> <@riker> IMO fiqhack's main issue isn't really the alignment record
19:36 <rld> <@riker> it's the lack of symetry
19:36 <FIQ> boils down to the game trying its absolute best to make me ragequit
19:36 <StatueSurfer> it's fun in the same way DF is fun for normal people e.g. not jonadab
19:36 <FIQ> and general frustration
19:36 <rld> <@riker> :p
19:36 <[Demo]> i think slex would make a lot more sense absolutely smacked
19:36 <rld> <@riker> wait, does jonadab not like dorf fortress?
19:36 <rld> <@riker> wtf
19:36 <rld> <@riker> who doesn't like dorf fortress
19:36 <StatueSurfer> he says it's too EASY
19:36 <FIQ> too easy
19:36 <rld> <@riker> wtf
19:36 <rld> <@riker> yeah ok then
19:37 <rld> <@riker> I got a crystalline forgotten beast hte other day
19:37 <rld> <@riker> its' not too difficult
19:37 <[Demo]> i will never try that evil closed source harmful software
19:37 <rld> <@riker> what, DF?
19:37 <[Demo]> yeah
19:37 <rld> <@riker> o-O
19:37 <FIQ> didn't you know it was closed source
19:37 <rld> <@riker> nope
19:38 <rld> <@riker> I've only played not modded :p
19:38 <StatueSurfer> i tried it once but i couldn't really figure out how to do anything
19:38 <FIQ> well it has a bunch of resource files
19:38 <FIQ> so you can still mod in that sense
19:38 <FIQ> and of course you can go further if you RE the game
19:38 <FIQ> but it isn't open sourc
19:38 <FIQ> e
19:39 <StatueSurfer> also it's technically still in alpha
19:39 <StatueSurfer> or beta or something
19:39 <rld> <@riker> ya
19:39 <[Demo]> gross
19:39 <aosdict> That's not to say it can't be made open source. Lot easier to go that way than the reverse.
19:40 <FIQ> !who
19:40 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-us] ellipsis [nd] 
19:40 <Beholder> FIQ: [hdf-eu] No current players
19:40 <FIQ> ok
19:47 <jonadab> @riker I can play Dwarf FOrtress for a week or so, and then my brain goes "meh" and I shelf it for months.  Because there's no challenge _at all_.
19:47 <jonadab> (Granted, I haven't tried Adventure Mode.  May at some point.)
19:49 <jonadab> Also, DF made really horrendously bad first impression on me by requiring me to add a gratuitous additional architecture and install otherwise-unneeded versions of a ton of libraries just to run it, because they can't be bothered to release a source tarball so people can compile it in the modern era, and also can't be bothered to compile for the dominant architecture.
19:49 <jonadab> (This was only a couple of years ago, and they had no amd64 builds.  At all.)
19:49 <jonadab> (Which I could live with, if there were a source tarball, but there ain't.)
19:51 <jonadab> And when I asked on the forums about why there wasn't an amd64 build, since amd64 had displaced i386 as the predominant architecture about ten years previously, I was basically told "ROFL Linux suxxorz use Windoze".
19:52 <jonadab> (Static linking is _another_ way they could've avoided this problem.  But no.)
19:53 <jonadab> With that said, Glazedcoast is some of the most entertaining stuff I've ever read.
19:53 <jonadab> So there's that.
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20:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] Luxidream (Kni Orc Fem Cha), 13335 points, T:6932, killed by a riding accident
20:01 <StatueSurfer> oof
20:01 <StatueSurfer> what happened
20:06 <rld> <@luxidream> went downstairs when burdened
20:07 <rld> <@luxidream> forgot it did about a million damage because I never ride
20:07 <rld> <@luxidream> whoops
20:11 <rld> <@luxidream> wow, so the convict's iron ball does d9 damage to them when wielded and they go downstairs
20:11 <rld> <@luxidream> they start with 9 HP
20:11 <rld> <@luxidream> seems fair
20:12 <StatueSurfer> nobody's forcing to play convict here...
20:12 <aosdict> best level up before going downstairs then!
20:12 <rld> <@luxidream> because you have time to do that with no food
20:12 <rld> <@luxidream> 😛
20:12 <StatueSurfer> eat their corpses
20:12 <StatueSurfer> or just pray when weak
20:13 <aosdict> YANI: Increase starting HP for all characters by some constant amount. 8-10 is really not enough.
20:13 <StatueSurfer> tell that to tariru...
20:13 <rld> <@luxidream> convicts can't pray for food
20:13 <StatueSurfer> wow
20:13 <rld> <@luxidream> statuesurfer have you been hit by a falling rock trap
20:14 <StatueSurfer> not in a while
20:14 <rld> <@luxidream> that's why starting characters need more HP
20:14 <StatueSurfer> my pets die to falling rock traps a lot more often then i do
20:14 <StatueSurfer> *than
20:14 <StatueSurfer> generally because they step on it first
20:14 <rld> <@luxidream> 215    0:02:40    -1/11    2017-11-05 22:45    killed by a falling rock
20:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 115 points, T:343, killed by a sewer rat
20:15 <rld> <@luxidream> Luxidream    Rog-Orc-Mal-Cha    309    215    0:02:40    -1/11    2017-11-05 22:45    killed by a falling rock
20:15 <rld> <@luxidream> maybe we should just ban falling rock traps
20:15 <StatueSurfer> that's a rogue not a convict
20:15 <StatueSurfer> pff
20:15 <rld> <@luxidream> and rolling boulder traps
20:15 <StatueSurfer> you can't fool me
20:15 <rld> <@luxidream> from DL 1-2
20:16 <aosdict> StatueSurfer: @luxidream you know about ais' recent change to stop this, right?
20:16 <aosdict> in 3.6.1
20:16 <StatueSurfer> no
20:16 <rld> <@luxidream> yes, the marked traps?
20:16 <rld> <@luxidream> on early dungeon levels?
20:17 <aosdict> StatueSurfer: traps on early dungeon levels generate usually with a corpse and one or more cursed items on the square
20:17 <StatueSurfer> oh those
20:17 <StatueSurfer> i've seen those
20:18 <rld> <@luxidream> is it on the
20:18 <rld> <@luxidream> HF version
20:18 <aosdict> @luxidream I think pretty much all floor traps are unbalanced, not because they're tuned incorrectly or anything but because their effects are totally flat and don't scale at all
20:18 <rld> <@luxidream> of 3.6.1?
20:19 <rld> <@luxidream> trapdoors can suck for anyone
20:19 <rld> <@luxidream> that's about it, though
20:19 <aosdict> in my door trap patch, most of the damaging effects scale damage based on level for this reason :)
20:20 <rld> <@luxidream> how much damage for example?
20:20 <StatueSurfer> "The door explodes! You take 300 damage! You die..."
20:20 <rld> <@luxidream> maybe it should be like exploding wands
20:20 <rld> <@luxidream> those scale based on your max HP
20:20 <aosdict> @luxidream the flatness hits two ways: one, in that falling rock (or whatever) traps can hit a very high proportion of an early character's maxHP, but a very low proportion of a late character's maxHP
20:21 <StatueSurfer> a helmet also blocks most of a falling rock traps damage
20:21 <aosdict> so falling rock traps, and pits, and dart and arrow traps, generate all over the place in Gehennom but nobody actually cares about them by then
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20:22 <StatueSurfer> i would say that being largely unavoidable sources of damage they should probably consistently deal a relatively low percentage of max HP
20:22 <rld> <@luxidream> Gehennom is already unfun. I'd rather not have to 20s every square in it to avoid dart traps that do hundreds of damage, thanks.
20:23 <StatueSurfer> a volley of arrows so vast it darkens the sky hits!
20:23 <aosdict> @luxidream as for door trap effects: unprotected, a static shock zaps you for 1d(DL*2) damage, falling doors deal 1d(DL/2), red-hot knobs deal 1d(DL)
20:24 <StatueSurfer> falling doors are the only actual threat in Nom
20:24 <StatueSurfer> rodney's tower is the lowest possible floor at like let's say DL42
20:24 <StatueSurfer> so that would be 1-21 damage
20:24 <StatueSurfer> and should also remove the door
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20:25 <aosdict> And I think that "dart traps that do hundreds of damage" is not what anyone wants
20:25 <rld> <@luxidream> does untrap always work in your doors patch?
20:25 <aosdict> StatueSurfer: of course, it does remove the door if it falls off the hinges.
20:25 <StatueSurfer> okay
20:25 <rld> <@luxidream> I really dislike the command. I've untrapped a box several times only to have it blow up in my face and die
20:26 <aosdict> @luxidream unsure about what to do there. Probably it should guarantee *finding* the trap in one go, but you might need to make multiple attempts to actually get rid of it.
20:26 <aosdict> On the other hand, I don't want to encourage GruntHack-style "untrap every door before touching it" play, so bleh.
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20:27 <rld> <@luxidream> I think that's perfectly reasonable. As it is, there's no point in untrapping
20:27 <rld> <@luxidream> none of the traps are deadly on their own anyway
20:28 <rld> <@luxidream> the ones that you are suggesting
20:28 <rld> <@luxidream> so I don't think that will be a problem
20:28 <aosdict> @luxidream I've also toyed with the idea of making a "door trap" an actual trap, stored in the level's trap field, that just happens to occupy the same space as the door.
20:28 <aosdict> Which would then be discoverable with s.
20:28 <rld> <@luxidream> but then if it was a hidden door, would you find the trap before the door?
20:28 <aosdict> (And searching for traps needs an overhaul anyway, as jonadab and ais523 will tell you...)
20:29 <aosdict> Also, where did you get the idea that none of these traps are deadly? Some of them do deal HP damage.
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20:29 <rld> <@luxidream> if you're at full health, you generally won't die
20:29 <aosdict> Ah, ok.
20:31 <aosdict> Perhaps it shouldn't be 1d(DL*2) damage though, some characters' HP maximums can come perilously close to twice the current dungeon level
20:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Cav Dwa Mal Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:56119
20:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Cav Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:56156
20:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:56161
20:51 <FIQ> I like to walk into doors to open them
20:51 <FIQ> It's really convenient
20:51 <FIQ> If I have to deal with untrapping everything, this major convenience is all but removed
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20:56 <rld> <@luxidream> so you would rather untrapping be worse then?
20:59 <rld> <@luxidream> or pointless?
20:59 <rld> <@luxidream> why have an untrap command at all then
21:04 <FIQ> good point
21:04 <FIQ> let's remove it
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21:14 <FIQ> apparently the Wii, released in 2006, is still getting games today
21:14 <FIQ> well, kind of
21:15 <FIQ> it has gotten 2 games each year sonce 2014
21:15 <K2> hi
21:15 <Beholder> Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought
21:15 <FIQ> er 2015
21:16 <FIQ> just dance and let's sing
21:16 <K2> FIQhack updated (us and eu)
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21:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] bouquet (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 51894 points, T:13429, killed by a fire ant
22:04 <K2> The black blade draws the life from Croesus!  You kill Croesus! Welcome to experience level 12. You feel more confident in your skills. 
22:04 <K2> wooot
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22:57 <bouquet> is there a leaderboard somewhere for scores on the various games hosted at hardfought?
23:12 <K2> yes
23:12 <K2> !scores
23:12 <Beholder> K2: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/scoreboard (HDF) or https://scoreboard.xd.cm (ALL)
23:13 <K2> right now it only tracks the us server
23:13 <K2> there are plans to track eu server games as well
23:20 <bouquet> thanks!
23:20 <bouquet> dang, doesn't show my nao 3.6.1-dev ascensions. How will I impress my grandchildren?
23:24 <StatueSurfer> hey i have the 79th highest FIQhack score!
23:25 <StatueSurfer> there are no ascensions in the current version of slex
23:26 <K2> why would we show nao server games? ;)
23:26 <K2> if you want to see all games, check out Mandevil's scoreboard (2nd link)
23:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law), 2331 points, T:3531, killed by a wand
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