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03:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] jonaDAB (Luxidream) (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 238030 points, T:44229, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack4/dumplog/2018-01-13%2008%3A10%3A14%2C%20jonaDAB-Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu%2C%20ascended.txt
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07:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "2 cursed potions of gain level", on T:40503
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07:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed figurine of an archon", on T:42451
07:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:42675
08:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha), 10845 points, T:2310, killed by a kitten, while sleeping
08:14 <Tangles> oh yeah... it was totally the kitten
08:16 <Tangles> New game, T:3 - Tigger falls into a pit!  Tigger is killed!\
08:18 <aosdict> jonadab: congrats on ascending nh4 :P
08:19 <jonadab> aosdict: wat?
08:22 <aosdict> [hdf-us] [nh4] jonaDAB (Luxidream) (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 238030 points, T:44229, ascended
08:23 <jonadab> Ah.
08:23 <jonadab> That.
08:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:616
08:24 <jonadab> {"version",  "このバージョンのNetHackのコンパイルオプションを確認する", doextversion, TRUE},
08:26 <jonadab> It's tempting to try to modify everything so the English and Japanese versions can be side-by-side instead of several screenfulls away from each other in huge #ifndef JP blocks.
08:26 <jonadab> But that would be a large undertaking, so for now I am going to skip it.
08:26 <jonadab> See if we can get the most serious bugs fixed first.
08:26 <jonadab> And maybe some of the quality-of-life patches, and xlog and stuff.
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09:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] metzfan (Val Hum Fem Law), 5654 points, T:3654, killed by a sarkany
09:27 <aosdict> What determines whether a message should be printed only if flags.verbose is set?
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09:58 <jonadab> aosdict: I don't think anyone knows at this point.
09:59 <aosdict> it would also be nice to have a plinev() function, or similar, that plines only when verbose.
10:00 <jonadab> aosdict: Just implement channelization already.
10:00 <jonadab> Then you can have pline_implied() and such.
10:01 <aosdict> who has space for a 13-character pline_implied? Vanilla strictly limits itself to 80 chars.
10:01 <jonadab> ipline() then, whatever.
10:01 <aosdict> anyway I'll let someone else handle the channelization I think :-)
10:02 <jonadab> Also, yes, even NH4 observes the 80-character limit, so I _mostly_ do in Fourk as well, for consistency, though I kind of hate it.
10:02 <jonadab> It creates a lot of vertical clutter.
10:02 <jonadab> aosdict: But channelization is such a nice feature!  Players love it!
10:08 <K2> morning
10:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] metzfan (Val Hum Fem Law), 10844 points, T:4401, killed by a bolt of fire
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10:46 <LarienTelrunya> !tell jonadab all those things you listed that would happen in the Evil Patch after claiming the amulet (and also some things you didn't list) can happen if the player exceeds the maximum permissible amount of turns until ascension in slex.
10:46 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya!
10:48 <[Demo]> ew
10:54 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: what is the unknown god good for? he only has a passive polymorph attack?!
10:55 <[Demo]> heh
10:55 <[Demo]> you'll see 😉
10:56 <rld> <@riker> wait did you push notdnh?
10:56 <[Demo]> he isnt for fighting, he is for flavor
10:56 <[Demo]> on a small branch i have yet to add
10:57 <rld> <@riker> that's actually a cool idea for unknown gods: they change your artifact to another random one
10:57 <rld> <@riker> (preserves enchantment n buc thouhg0
10:57 <[Demo]> he is for an alternate ending
10:57 <[Demo]> err... it
10:57 <rld> <@riker> ndnh bringing the jrpg to life here
10:59 <rld> <@riker> [demo] mind linking the ndnh (is that the acronym) repo?
11:00 <LarienTelrunya> riker: you have to find it yourself, I managed to do it too :D
11:00 <rld> <@riker> lol
11:00 <LarienTelrunya> (just kidding!)
11:00 <rld> <@riker> I honestly wouldn't put it past demo
11:00 <rld> <@riker> >_>
11:00 <[Demo]> yeah ndnh is the acronym and yeah https://github.com/demogorgon22/notdnethack
11:01 <LarienTelrunya> here's all the repos I'm starring: https://github.com/AmyBSOD?tab=stars
11:01 <rld> <@riker> huh, lynn made a nethack fork? TIL
11:10 <aosdict> LarienTelrunya: describe the tower of yendor for [Demo] please?
11:10 <rld> <@riker> I got this
11:10 <rld> <@riker> "the most dumb thing you've ever seen"
11:10 <rld> <@riker> that's about it
11:11 <[Demo]> when/where was it described?
11:11 <[Demo]> i have logs i just dont read them
11:11 <aosdict> well you know how the dnethack folks, and LarienTelrunya, recently discovered how to bypass the 127-level cap?
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11:13 <[Demo]> yeah just change a shit load of xchars to ints
11:13 <[Demo]> oh god
11:18 <LarienTelrunya> riker: WHAT? where is that?
11:18 <LarienTelrunya> aosdict: huh? you mean that slex has a 100-level main dungeon and a 100-level extra dungeon, because the cap has been broken?
11:19 <aosdict> yes
11:22 <K2> cutting/crimping/splicing coax cable outside 10 degrees F while snowing - success
11:22 <K2> directv can suck it
11:22 <K2> i fix it myself
11:23 <[Demo]> feels weird hiding hints on the quest in the form of engravings
11:31 <dtype> K2: is your cable going to shatter?
11:31 <dtype> does the internet move slower when it is cold?
11:32 <dtype> does it shrink?
11:32 <FIQ> !tell K2 pushed some updates
11:32 <Beholder> Will do, FIQ!
11:33 <K2> dtype yup
11:33 <Beholder> K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-01-13 11:32 EST: pushed some updates
11:33 <K2> heh
11:33 <FIQ> levi no longer lets you avoid water on the plane of water
11:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached the Astral Plane, on T:43058
11:35 <K2> compile is finsihed, i'll update when groovejumper is done
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11:38 <rld> <@riker> larien: you talking about my "dumb thing"?
11:38 <rld> <@riker> it kinda is :p
11:38 <rld> <@riker> (mainly the uber-priest leve)
11:39 <rld> <@riker> !who
11:39 <Beholder> @riker: [hdf-us] groovejumper [fh] 
11:39 <Beholder> @riker: [hdf-eu] lynn [nd] 
11:42 <LarienTelrunya> riker: I mean that lynn apparently made a nethack fork, where is it?
11:42 <rld> <@riker> in your stars
11:42 <rld> <@riker> >__>
11:42 <LarienTelrunya> wtf?
11:43 <rld> <@riker> https://github.com/maurisvh/fnethack
11:43 <K2> who is lynn?
11:43 <rld> <@riker> oh, mauris = lynn
11:43 <rld> <@riker> username change
11:43 <K2> ah
11:43 <rld> <@riker> in case you didn't know that
11:43 <LarienTelrunya> oh
11:43 <K2> i didnt
11:43 <rld> <@riker> ya
11:43 <rld> <@riker> lol
11:43 <rld> <@riker> lynn/mauris is on hdf right now anyway :D
11:43 <LarienTelrunya> Such a fleecy Lynn! ♥
11:43 <rld> <@riker> so go say hi there larien
11:44 <LarienTelrunya> well I already mailed her in-game once and got no reaction :(
11:44 <rld> <@riker> :(
11:44 <rld> <@riker> any clue what her named SDSM is about?
11:44 <rld> <@riker> it's called r:fiposl
11:45 <LarienTelrunya> resist fire, poison and lightning?
11:45 <LarienTelrunya> I do the same, naming my gear after the resists I acquired from corpses
11:45 <rld> <@riker> oh, makes sense
11:46 <rld> <@riker> I've never had to, thanks to dnh's ctlr-x :p
11:46 <rld> <@riker> obvious dnh > 3.6.
11:46 <rld> <@riker> *3.6.1
11:46 <LarienTelrunya> btw I'm playing slex on esm now (cannot tell you in the esm channel since you're not there, so I have to spam this one with this message that is irrelevant to everyone else :D)
11:46 <rld> <@riker> lol
11:46 <FIQ> I think groovejumper has forgotten / didn't know about fiqhack cancellation
11:47 <rld> <@riker> why?
11:47 <FIQ> cancelled wizard on astral with no means of uncancel
11:47 <rld> <@riker> are they horribly confused?
11:47 <rld> <@riker> ouch
11:47 <K2> :/
11:47 <FIQ> I mean he's carrying a +5 ring of increase damage
11:47 <LarienTelrunya> hmm, speaking of cancellation, slex has no messages about FIQhack monsters using wands of cancellation or slow monster (OMFG) yet
11:47 <rld> <@riker> ?
11:48 <rld> <@riker> what's fiqhack slow monster
11:48 <FIQ> which could be useful
11:48 <FIQ> it makes your speed half of your base speed
11:48 <FIQ> 6 if not polymorphed
11:48 <LarienTelrunya> FIQhack slow monster is what wand of inertia is in slex: it gives you long-lasting slowness that used to be impossible to cure and is now very difficult to cure (IIRC you need a specific item, potion of speed or something, and if you run out, good luck)
11:48 <FIQ> it overrides (very) fast
11:48 <rld> <@riker> watching lynn, dang soko muscle memory is fast
11:48 <LarienTelrunya> FIQ: yep, that's exactly what inertia does in slex
11:48 <FIQ> LarienTelrunya: or use blue dragon scale mail
11:49 <rld> <@riker> ./me wishes I had that kind of memory
11:49 <FIQ> or wear free action which makes it work less often
11:50 <rld> <@riker> what's ""you feel like a hypocrite" mean
11:50 <LarienTelrunya> awwwwwwwwwwww the lovely fleecy girl died :( *sadface*
11:50 <rld> <@riker> :(
11:50 <[Demo]> hmm think i got acu intro text working
11:50 <rld> <@riker> is that msg for hitting while on elbereth?
11:50 <rld> <@riker> nice
11:51 <FIQ> @riker that means you hit a monster while standing on elbereth
11:51 <FIQ> yeah
11:51 <rld> <@riker> any penalty?
11:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "a blessed potion of gain energy", on T:43101
11:51 <FIQ> it makes elbereth vanish
11:51 <FIQ> and igve -5 alignment
11:51 <LarienTelrunya> oh, "nhdev" is 3.6.1, right?
11:51 <FIQ> just a single potion?
11:51 <FIQ> LarienTelrunya: yes
11:52 <LarienTelrunya> wtf why don't I hear a beep if someone pings me
11:52 <rld> <@riker> larientelrunya: test
11:53 <LarienTelrunya> hmm, didn't hear it this time either; can you try again?
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11:53 <rld> <@riker> larientelrunya: test
11:53 <groovejumper> fiq i got your mail
11:53 <FIQ> hi groovejumper 
11:53 <LarienTelrunya> ah, this time it worked, thanks riker :)
11:53 <LarienTelrunya> apparently I just had the system volume set too low
11:54 <groovejumper> yeah i knew that, but I'm just playing around now that I got lucky and found the right altar on the first try
11:54 <rld> <@riker> lol
11:54 <groovejumper> and lived
11:54 <FIQ> groovejumper: ah
11:54 <groovejumper> which i didn't think i would
11:54 <FIQ> how was astral
11:54 <FIQ> didn't see you until the end
11:54 <groovejumper> being canceled on astral plane really sucked!
11:54 <FIQ> I can imagine
11:54 <groovejumper> that was new for me
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11:55 <FIQ> groovejumper: so how was fiqhack
11:56 <FIQ> overall
11:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 grayswandir", on T:43108
11:57 <rld> <@riker> does this rld bot not report joins/leaves?
11:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "2 dilithium crystals", on T:43109
11:58 <FIQ> @riker no
11:59 <FIQ> groovejumper: that thing has magic resistance it seems
11:59 <[Demo]> if u die on the high altar then u know u got fiqd over really hard
11:59 <rld> <@riker> > fiqd over
11:59 <rld> <@riker> not as bad as slex tho
12:00 <rld> <@riker> where offering anything (or dropping smth) can summon nasties
12:00 <rld> <@riker> or just delete the altar
12:00 <[Demo]> slex isnt meant to be taken seriously if it is then oh well
12:00 <FIQ> lol did she charge the wand of lightning
12:00 <rld> <@riker> slex > fiqhack
12:00 <rld> <@riker> since slex at least lets me know I'm in for a odd ride
12:00 <LarienTelrunya> riker: that summoning thing only happens if you triggered a certain nasty trap that makes altars screw you over :)
12:00 <aosdict> if FIQ implements uvm seduction can we call him a "sick FIQ" :D
12:00 <rld> <@luxidream> can you make the game unwinnable by making the high altar disappear in slex
12:00 <[Demo]> im not sure which is funnier
12:00 <FIQ> aosdict: but I will not
12:00 <rld> <@riker> @luxidream think so
12:00 <[Demo]> they are different kinds of humor
12:01 <LarienTelrunya> luxidream: of course not, I thought about that and made it so that high altars don't disappear
12:01 <rld> <@riker> ah ok good
12:01 <rld> <@riker> ya never know with slex
12:01 <[Demo]> make it so they teleport somewhere random
12:01 <[Demo]> and you gotta go find em
12:01 <LarienTelrunya> FIQ: what happened to your idea to make everything symmetrical?
12:01 <rld> <@riker> gotta catch em all
12:01 <aosdict> FIQ: I'd still do it, but make it do nothing versus a large number of monsters (ie pretty much all non humanoids)
12:01 <rld> <@riker> :D
12:01 <FIQ> LarienTelrunya: it stands
12:01 <[Demo]> can monsters ascend with the amulet?
12:01 <[Demo]> thatd be a pretty funny ending
12:01 <FIQ> aosdict: I'd feel uncomfortable doing it
12:01 <rld> <@riker> don't think so
12:02 <rld> <@riker> EPI: rodney effect, gives all currently alive monsters on the level an amulet-stealing attack
12:02 <LarienTelrunya> lol, monsters are allowed to read scrolls of genocide to insta-end your run, but you being able to take off a green-elf's cloak when you're polymorphed into a succubus is not an option?
12:02 <aosdict> FIQ: rather than what ais says and say "well I guess for symmetry, we should remove seduction altogether"
12:02 <[Demo]> oh i could do that in the void but i cant think of any relevance it would have
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12:02 <[Demo]> oh god
12:03 <[Demo]> make charisma useful
12:03 <FIQ> aosdict: I could make it a birth option I guess
12:03 <FIQ> it already is, partially
12:03 <FIQ> seduction: none/non-self/both
12:04 <rld> <@riker> ?
12:04 <rld> <@riker> you're saying you want self-seduction
12:04 * LarienTelrunya is glad that she's not prude when it comes to AD_SSEX attacks :D
12:04 <rld> <@riker> that's not even in slex yet fiq hold up there
12:04 <FIQ> @riker no I am not
12:04 <FIQ> I am arguiung *against* it
12:04 <[Demo]> oh
12:04 <rld> <@riker> ak ok
12:05 <[Demo]> sounds like a powerful attack
12:05 <rld> <@luxidream> self seduction sounds op
12:05 <aosdict> I wasn't even thinking of self
12:05 <rld> <@riker> @luxidream absolutely not whatever gave you that impresion?
12:05 <FIQ> aosdict: oh, mvm is simple
12:05 <FIQ> just say "The succubus and X shimmer for a moment"
12:05 <FIQ> omit the... details
12:05 <aosdict> I like the idea of being able to dis-armor most monsters
12:05 <rld> <@riker> "Time stands still while the floating eye lays in the Wizard of Yendor's arms..."
12:06 <rld> <@luxidream> he has a seduction attack now?
12:06 <rld> <@riker> absolutely
12:06 <LarienTelrunya> "The water nymph gently pulls down the goblin's pants with her soft, fleecy hands..."
12:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) averted death, on T:43199
12:06 <FIQ> apparently groovejumper doesn't want to win
12:06 <rld> <@luxidream> PC x Rodney ship confirmed
12:06 <rld> <@riker> YASI: remove floating eye passive para/etc.  replace with passive seduction
12:07 <FIQ> fiqhack already removed passive para
12:07 <FIQ> from floating eyes
12:07 <[Demo]> i like that slex does a good job not pulling punches
12:07 <rld> <@riker> ik fiq
12:07 <rld> <@luxidream> ranged seduction
12:07 <rld> <@riker> that's what etc is for :p
12:07 <rld> <@riker> I mean slex already has a passive Death monster
12:07 <rld> <@riker> so I see no reason why amy shouldn't add htat
12:07 <rld> <@riker> D:
12:07 <rld> <@riker> *:D
12:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 296256 points, T:43201, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/g/groovejumper/fiqhack/dumplog/2018-01-13%2017%3A07%3A47%2C%20groovejumper-Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha%2C%20ascended.txt
12:07 <rld> <@riker> grats groovejumper
12:07 <[Demo]> nice
12:08 <jonadab> @riker HOw about ranged disintegration?
12:08 <Beholder> jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-01-13 10:46 EST: all those things you listed that would happen in the Evil Patch after claiming the amulet (and also some things you didn't list) can happen if the player exceeds the maximum permissible amount of turns until ascension in slex.
12:08 <[Demo]> you didnt get fiqd
12:08 <rld> <@luxidream> gz
12:08 <K2> congrats groovejumper
12:08 <rld> <@riker> jonadab: thats called a black dragon >_>
12:08 <groovejumper> lol thanks
12:08 <[Demo]> im gonna add that as a t-shirt
12:08 <K2> FIQhack updated (us and eu)
12:08 <groovejumper> i was trying to wrest one more wish to get a couple dilithium for score
12:08 <LarienTelrunya> well done groovejumper, you avoided the looming possibility that a wizard player monster spawns, gets confused by someone else's thrown potion of confusion, and then reads a scroll of genocide :D
12:08 <groovejumper> fiq was great, much fun
12:09 <jonadab> @riker Oh, right, yes.  But what if it bypasses reflection?
12:09 <jonadab> Ranged WADB :-)
12:09 * FIQ zaps a wand of sleep at LarienTelrunya
12:09 <rld> <@riker> I think dnh already has that
12:09 <aosdict> jonadab: we *just* finished putting this one on the qdb
12:09 <rld> <@riker> SDSM protects but not plain reflection
12:09 <jonadab> Or AoE disint :-)
12:09 <groovejumper> in the sanctum, a wraith found a blessed scroll of genocide and hit @'s
12:09 <rld> <@riker> jonadab: dnh has that too!
12:09 <rld> <@luxidream> that happens
12:09 <LarienTelrunya> jonadab: Clearly, what you should do is to add a wand of disintegration and then wand "balance" patch it so that if a monster is skilled, it creates a disintegration explosion that cannot be reflected.
12:09 <FIQ> "2 species genocided by you, 13 by monsters"
12:10 <groovejumper> confused the heck out of me when I couldn't find who had the amulet
12:10 <LarienTelrunya> FIQ: LarienTelrunya falls asleep! The sleep ray hits LarienTelrunya! The sleep ray hits LarienTelrunya! The sleep ray hits LarienTelrunya! The sleep ray hits LarienTelrunya! The sleep ray hits LarienTelrunya! The sleep ray hits LarienTelrunya! The sleep ray hits LarienTelrunya! The sleep ray hits LarienTelrunya! The fireball hits LarienTelrunya! LarienTelrunya dies... Do you want your possessions identified?
12:10 <groovejumper> and i learned about being canceled
12:10 <groovejumper> and that / of teleport doesn't work on astral
12:10 <groovejumper> or magic whistles
12:10 <rld> <@luxidream> could probably have prayed
12:10 <FIQ> bless the whistle
12:10 <rld> <@luxidream> also wand skill
12:11 <groovejumper> ah didn't think of those
12:11 <groovejumper> managed to squeeze through anyway
12:11 <groovejumper> and beat #1 by 1000 pts
12:11 <rld> <@riker> niceee
12:11 <FIQ> gz, highest scoring fiqhack game overall
12:12 <[Demo]> oh nice
12:12 <groovejumper> wasted a wish on grayswandir, it was just for points
12:12 <groovejumper> got dilithium though which put it over
12:12 <FIQ> 40 out of 48 ascensions in FIQHack has been made on hdf, heh
12:13 <aosdict> I claim, but cannot prove, 10,000 fiqhack ascensions locally. :)
12:14 <FIQ> actually, 41
12:14 <FIQ> if ehdf is included
12:14 <rld> <@riker> I claim and can prove 10k fiqhack ascensions locally
12:15 <FIQ> lol
12:15 <rld> <@riker> oddly enough they all ended with the same exact stuff (and game seed) as grooverjumper's
12:15 <rld> <@riker> *groovejumpers
12:15 <rld> <@riker> and I'm partial to that name so I use it locally
12:15 <rld> <@riker> :D
12:15 <FIQ> lol
12:15 <aosdict> wow, 10k #1-score ascensions!
12:16 <rld> <@riker> by one method of scorign that means the #2 score is actually #10k+1
12:16 <FIQ> http://home.fiq.se/hdf_scorelist.png
12:17 <rld> <@riker> RIP nero
12:17 <rld> <@riker> so many by luxi lol
12:17 <FIQ> heh
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12:19 <aosdict> BAD APPLE!! (AP Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu ascended to demigod-hood.
12:19 <aosdict> hmm some name truncation
12:19 <FIQ> aosdict: scoreboard names are cut off
12:20 <FIQ> I tried to fix it a while back
12:20 <FIQ> it did... really weird things
12:20 <aosdict> what was that originally? APPLES ONLY?
12:20 <FIQ> and had a tendency to completely truncate the scorelist
12:20 <FIQ> I think so yeah
12:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] K2 (k2) (Arc Hum Mal Law), 25916 points, T:1257, killed by a rabid rat
12:23 <FIQ> Tangles: have you considered looking into record merging, kinda like xlog merging of devnull?
12:24 <FIQ> between ehdf and hdf
12:26 <K2> FIQ I cant remember, how do you set nh4 based games to run down corridoors without stopping at turns
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12:26 <K2> you've showed me before, but its been months
12:26 <K2> thought i had nh4 set
12:26 <FIQ> this is actually a mistake in ais523's rebinding macro
12:26 <FIQ> one sec, let me see what bindings are wrong
12:27 <ais523> ?
12:27 <ais523> K2: "corridorbranch" option in the options
12:27 <FIQ> pushed a minor fix to it for fiqhack, I had forgotten one of them
12:27 <FIQ> ais523: no that isn't it
12:27 <FIQ> there is a "go" command
12:28 <ais523> oh, at turns
12:28 <FIQ> and a "run" command
12:28 <ais523> right, there's probably a bug here somewhere
12:28 <FIQ> you map "go" to stuff
12:28 <ais523> that code was always buggy
12:28 <FIQ> but the correction is to map "run"
12:28 <FIQ> not really, you just bind the wrong command
12:28 <FIQ> K2: ok so
12:28 <FIQ> go to options
12:28 <FIQ> keymap
12:28 <jonadab> The various kinds of "keep going" commands are always going to have DWIM-failure problems.
12:28 <K2> k
12:28 <FIQ> (it's below interface options)
12:29 <FIQ> rebind game commands
12:29 <FIQ> find the command "run"
12:29 <FIQ> bind it to what key you want to use
12:29 <K2> ok
12:30 <K2> that works, thanks
12:31 <FIQ> np
12:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] K2 (k2) (Arc Hum Mal Law), 10632 points, T:490, killed by a giant rat
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12:56 <jonadab> Anyone intrested in Brass:  I pushed use_darkgray and menucolors.
12:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [fh] FIQ (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 12797 points, T:529, killed by a fox, while frozen by a spellbook
12:58 <FIQ> Brass runs on hdf?
12:58 <jonadab> No.
12:58 <jonadab> But I have a repo for it now and am attempting to bang it into shape.
12:59 <[Demo]> id play brass again if it were on hdf
12:59 <jonadab> I could use help on figuring out the segfault that only happens when not running in gdb, or figuring out how to make it run in valgrind.
12:59 <jonadab> (Valgrind complains it can't run it because of the suid stuff.)
13:00 <ais523> jonadab: oh, you can just do a non-suid install for that
13:01 <jonadab> ais523: Oh, hmm, I suppose I could.
13:01 <jonadab> I could even create a second build script that does, I don't know, a single-user install or something.
13:02 <jonadab> As of now, from minimal fooling around I know of _three_ show-stopping bugs that need to be fixed before we should even think about putting this on a server.  One's a segfault.
13:02 <jonadab> Plus we should do anything that's gonna nuke save compat, like annotate/overview, before putting it on a server.
13:03 <jonadab> And players will want a bunch of quality-of-life patches.  I am thinking of trying to port 3.6.1 statushilights instead of the old statuscolors patch.
13:04 <aosdict> jonadab: out of interest what made you suddenly decide to get brass server-ready?
13:04 <jonadab> Not sure.  People saying things about it, mostly.
13:04 <jonadab> It was kind of a major fork at one point in time.
13:06 <jonadab> Oh, I also need to do xlog/livelog.  Preferably with 3.6-style htab for SEP.
13:06 <[Demo]> yeah brass was gnarly
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13:54 <aosdict> Has anyone built vanilla recently? I'm getting four warnings from its code and would like to know if anyone else has seen them.
13:59 <APic> Not recently, but i could give it a try. GCC or CLang?
13:59 <APic> You mean current GIT?
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14:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] ellipsis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) had Grimtooth bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:5818
14:18 <rld> <@riker> go kos
14:19 <rld> <@riker> giving 100% useful artifacts since '87
14:19 <rld> <@luxidream> really wish the travel command only hit known safe squares
14:19 <rld> <@riker> :/
14:19 <rld> <@riker> what happened?
14:19 <rld> <@luxidream> I hit medusa, decide to go up to stash
14:19 <rld> <@luxidream> travel back to stair
14:19 <rld> <@luxidream> poly trap
14:20 <rld> <@riker> ow
14:20 <rld> <@riker> !tell ChrisANG seriously? Pearl rings are iron? wtf chris? my elf can't wear alacrity >>
14:20 <Beholder> Will do, @riker!
14:20 <rld> <@riker> did that format right?
14:21 <rld> <@luxidream> wait NH4 doesn't revert your DSM when you step in a polytrap?
14:21 <rld> <@luxidream> whaaat
14:21 <rld> <@riker> don't think so
14:24 <APic> remote: Compressing objects: 100% (13297/13297), done.
14:24 <APic> error: RPC failed; curl 18 transfer closed with outstanding read data remaining
14:24 <APic> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
14:24 <APic> lol, sorry
14:24 * APic will maybe try out when i will be back at Home, or when my VM here will have leeched it ☺
14:25 <rld> <@FIQ> @riker it didn't
14:25 <Beholder> @FIQ: Message from FIQ at 2018-01-11 11:34 EST: test
14:26 <rld> <@riker> fiq: on IRC end
14:27 <APic> aosdict: Maybe just paste the Warnings to some PasteBin in Meantime?  ☺
14:29 <rld> <@riker> did it seriously send a "synchronous idle" character when I tried to msg chris
14:29 <rld> <@riker> -.-
14:29 <rld> <@riker> !tell Chris_ANG seriously? Pearl rings are iron? wtf chris? my elf can't wear alacrity
14:29 <Beholder> Will do, @riker!
14:34 <K2> i am done adulting for the day
14:34 <rld> <@riker> good job k
14:34 <rld> <@riker> *k2
14:35 <rld> <@riker> are you going to go back to ascending spork|grunt|dyna?
14:35 <K2> working on nh4 atm
14:36 <K2> then will prob go back to sporkhack
14:36 <K2> i've ascended all roles/races/genders in grunthack, so I am moving on to others
14:36 <K2> nethack brass perhaps when jonadab has it ready for public consumption
14:37 * K2 thinks what jonadab is doing is awesome
14:37 <[Demo]> anyone know how to fix the retarded shit dnh did where it made blues and blacks the same color?
14:38 <K2> OPTIONS=use_darkgrey i thought?
14:39 <[Demo]> could be
14:39 <rld> <@riker> welll fuccckkk
14:39 <rld> <@riker> local game of dnh
14:39 <rld> <@riker> find wand of wishing
14:39 <rld> <@riker> it's 0:1
14:39 <rld> <@riker> zap it once, get a wish, zap it twice, it wrests on the first try
14:39 <rld> <@riker> no charging for me :/ I didn't get anything out of it except for 2 scrolls
14:40 <[Demo]> thats why you always engrave
14:40 <[Demo]> hmm not seeing a use_darkgray ingame
14:40 <bug_sniper> epi: the undroppable effect of loadstones works through containers
14:40 <K2> set it in your cfg
14:41 <[Demo]> im really confused
14:41 <rld> <@riker> use_darkgray is os x only I thought
14:41 <[Demo]> what is the benefit of making blue and black both blue
14:44 <rld> <@riker> to mess with people makign weird variants that include anachronobinders?
14:45 <[Demo]> ok so there is an option and i just changed the default
14:45 <[Demo]> so hopefully my level will look cool after transformation
14:48 <[Demo]> also big fuck you to whoever named levl level like fuck you either remove all vowels or no vowels, not just the last one
14:49 <K2> lol what?
14:50 <[Demo]> the levl array of the levl is named levl because of some old dude who i hope is dead now
14:50 <rld> <@riker> to quote a wise man
14:51 <rld> <@riker> "lol what?"
14:53 <rld> <@riker> [demo]: recommended first wish for elven ana?
14:53 <[Demo]> when it doubt, t-shirt lmao
14:53 <rld> <@riker> don't need prem heart (even if you ignore the iron) since I've got pretty nice ability scores
14:53 <rld> <@riker> hm ok
14:53 <[Demo]> https://i.imgur.com/TJfz8fm.png but this shit
14:53 <rld> <@riker> lol
14:53 <[Demo]> why is it levl
14:53 <[Demo]> thats an awful name
14:53 <rld> <@riker> wondering if there's any better gear
14:53 <[Demo]> are you neutral?
14:53 <rld> <@riker> no :/
14:53 <rld> <@riker> would probably go for the cloak of the unheld one then
14:54 <[Demo]> im really liking tht cloak yeah
14:54 <rld> <@riker> I can get GM robe from naming tho
14:54 <[Demo]> quicksilver is always nice too
14:54 <[Demo]> especially if you dont wanna use blue dragon scale related materials
14:54 <rld> <@riker> ooh true
14:54 <rld> <@riker> but then again? I get lightsabers sooo
14:54 <[Demo]> and you said you cant wear alacrity
14:54 <rld> <@riker> yeah for some dumb reason smh
14:54 <rld> <@riker> I actually can
14:54 <rld> <@riker> since I don't need to regen
14:54 <rld> <@riker> since I've got hallu, gain ability, full healing ampules
14:54 <rld> <@riker> thank GOD for hallu
14:55 <rld> <@riker> you can shk bless anything
14:55 <[Demo]> oh
14:55 <[Demo]> thats a thing?
14:55 <rld> <@riker> [demo] what about whisperfeet?
14:55 <rld> <@riker> yea
14:55 <[Demo]> i always wear flying boots
14:55 <rld> <@riker> make yourself hallu
14:55 <rld> <@riker> #chat and ask to uncurse
14:55 <[Demo]> cause flying is so strong
14:55 <rld> <@riker> ^
14:55 <rld> <@riker> true
14:55 <rld> <@riker> esp in ana quest
14:55 <rld> <@riker> might go for atma weapon lol
14:55 <[Demo]> need more sources of flying
14:56 <rld> <@riker> ^
14:56 <rld> <@riker> I don't get why dnh doesn't ahve the amulet
14:56 <[Demo]> yeah
14:56 <rld> <@riker> so probably default to shirt I guess
14:56 <rld> <@riker> which sucks since I don't need it really right now
14:56 <[Demo]> yeah
14:56 <[Demo]> quicksilver is always nice too
14:56 <rld> <@riker> and I'd love something useful
14:56 <rld> <@riker> but I don't really need it and I'm training saber skill w/ a silver saber rn
14:56 <[Demo]> basically anything nearly slotless that provides something hard to get is good
14:57 <rld> <@riker> hm I coudl get soulmirror
14:57 <rld> <@riker> but fuck up my spells
14:57 <[Demo]> oh do you not just run for the quest?
14:57 <rld> <@riker> oh fuck I haven't yet
14:57 <rld> <@riker> then ofc tshirt
14:57 <rld> <@riker> I'm so dumb
14:57 <rld> <@riker> >_> thanks demo
14:57 <[Demo]> thats how all my runs go on ana now,excluding inc
14:57 <[Demo]> just run for the quest
14:57 <[Demo]> and if i die on the way there oh well
14:57 <[Demo]> and if i make it, yeeha
14:57 <rld> <@riker> ikr
14:58 <rld> <@riker> I did htat as human and got fucked over again by nightgaunts
14:58 <rld> <@riker> I've gotten fucked like that from hlf, dwarf, and human ana so far
14:58 <rld> <@riker> all outside of the neu quest
14:58 <[Demo]> i pulled it off on a human and it was real neat
14:58 <[Demo]> cause of all those fun slots
14:58 <rld> <@riker> ooh nice
14:59 <rld> <@riker> !rng kill the shk | don't do it
14:59 <Beholder> @riker: don't do it
14:59 <rld> <@riker> hm ok then
14:59 <rld> <@riker> I might wnad him for more id n blessing
15:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law), 1277 points, T:1621, killed by a death ray
15:02 <rld> <@riker> tfw ice boxes fit in the chest
15:02 <rld> <@riker> LOl wut
15:02 <rld> <@riker> *LOL wut
15:02 <[Demo]> are you on the stor lvl?
15:03 <rld> <@riker> not yet
15:03 <[Demo]> cause yeah tools will generate in that chest that shouldnt
15:03 <rld> <@riker> just a treasure trap room
15:03 <[Demo]> oh yeah i think those have the same issue
15:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] K2 (k2) (Arc Hum Mal Law), 27982 points, T:3091, killed by a rothe
15:07 <rld> <@riker> !rng kill him for his CPM | don't do it
15:07 <Beholder> @riker: kill him for his CPM
15:07 <rld> <@riker> yeah that was barely a question
15:08 <[Demo]> kill whom? 😛
15:08 <rld> <@riker> shk
15:08 <rld> <@riker> armor store
15:08 <rld> <@riker> blessed +1 so :p
15:08 <rld> <@riker> he has speed and flying boots too
15:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] K2 (k2) (Arc Hum Mal Law), 18777 points, T:611, killed by a carnivorous bag
15:10 <rld> <@riker> RIP
15:11 <rld> <@riker> hm, CPM or jumpsuit
15:11 <FIQ> [Demo]: engraving has the same 1/121 chance at wresting
15:12 <FIQ> @luxidream nethack4?
15:12 <FIQ> shouldn't happen
15:13 <[Demo]> what
15:13 <[Demo]> is that new?
15:13 <[Demo]> or wait thats a crucial part of 0 turn wresting isnt it
15:13 <[Demo]> well damn
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15:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law), 1509 points, T:1484, killed by a magic missile
15:20 <rld> <@luxidream> FIQ: yep
15:21 <rld> <@luxidream> it's nice to have a break from enemies looting every container and trashing you with player spells for once
15:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] K2 (k2) (Arc Hum Mal Law), 26555 points, T:1316, killed by a rothe
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15:28 <[Demo]> if you don't play with lit_corridor on ur a goon
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15:43 <rld> <@riker> I don't
15:43 <rld> <@riker> fit me
15:43 <rld> <@riker> *fite me
15:46 <rld> <@riker> !tell Chris_ANG serious bug: you can get away with shoplifting ana quest, if you kill one shk. lift stuff from teh other guy, walk out through the other (deserted) store, and then you're free
15:46 <Beholder> Will do, @riker!
15:47 <[Demo]> wait
15:47 <[Demo]> oh neat
15:47 <[Demo]> i dont fuck with stealing from those guys
15:47 <[Demo]> cause they are total dicks and get ilsensine on your ass
15:48 <aosdict> APic: [backscroll] they're mostly unused variable warnings, which leads me to believe none of the devteam are currently building with -Wunused-variable on
15:52 <rld> <@riker> [demo] lol who cares
15:52 <rld> <@riker> cuz chris thought it was a great idea
15:52 <rld> <@riker> to give elven anachronauts 40-something wand of death charges
15:52 <rld> <@riker> :D
15:52 <aosdict> there's also a weird warning in read.c, let me get it
15:52 <rld> <@riker> (stun gun set to kill, 10x power packs, 14 + 10x14)
15:52 <[Demo]> i love me some rayguns
15:52 <rld> <@riker> actually no tha'ts like 150 charges
15:53 <aosdict> read.c:1450:25: warning: suggest parentheses around operand of ‘!’ or change ‘|’ to ‘||’ or ‘!’ to ‘~’
15:53 <aosdict>              do_genocide(!scursed | (2 * !!Confusion));
15:53 <aosdict> on the !scursed
15:53 <aosdict> why someone is mixing logical and bitwise operators, I don't know
15:58 * APic does not want to build it here on my slow Shell, sorry.  9😸
15:59 * APic will add to his .plan to try to build it at Home, both with GCC and with CLang.  ☺
16:19 <FIQ> @luxidream Heh
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17:01 <hothraxxa> Croesus picks up a curved sword.
17:01 <hothraxxa> *facepalm*
17:10 <FIQ> ?
17:13 <hothraxxa> croesus, he of the famously damaging two-handed sword
17:14 <hothraxxa> he's dead now, the fool
17:14 <[Demo]> yeah fuck his sword
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17:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] ellipsis (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 9186 points, T:11528, killed by a gnome mummy
17:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] PSYSTYLE (Luxidream) (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 259716 points, T:55919, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack4/dumplog/2018-01-13%2022%3A26%3A04%2C%20PSYSTYLE-Cav-Gno-Fem-Neu%2C%20ascended.txt
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17:29 <[Demo]> oh nice
17:33 <ais523> hmm, does Beholder post ascension dumplogs without being asked nowadays?
17:34 <ais523> Luxidream is now on a 6-streak, anyway
17:34 <ais523> the longest recorded NH4 streak ever
17:34 <ais523> by quite a margin
17:35 <ais523> they're all artiwishless elberetheless, too
17:37 <rld> <@luxidream> I guess NH4 doesn't see much play?
17:37 <rld> <@luxidream> that's a shame
17:37 <ais523> actually 6 is fairly long for a variant streak
17:37 <ais523> people don't do much streaking in the variants
17:37 <ais523> FIQHack has no more than a 2-streak, for example
17:38 <jonadab> ais523: Tariru
17:38 <jonadab> Does streaks in All The Things.
17:38 <rld> <@luxidream> part of the reason for that is saved games
17:38 <jonadab> Though I don't think _anyone_ has attempted a streak in slex.
17:38 <ais523> actually, that's now the longest streak in any variant if you don't count Tariru
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17:39 <ais523> (who has 7-, 10-, and 11-streaks in dNetHack)
17:39 <ais523> jonadab: I don't think slex is designed to be won any more
17:40 <rld> <@luxidream> *played
17:40 <[Demo]> amy wins it somehow still
17:40 <jonadab> [Demo]: Yes, but by sheer main force of playing it incessantly, I think.
17:41 <Grasshopper> Ah hah! Found a magic lamp in Orcustown
17:41 <rld> <@luxidream> and because she knows everything about it
17:41 <jonadab> I'm sure that also helps.
17:41 <[Demo]> somehow ive managed to break things so that my stairs to a branch are up stairs and my stairs from a branch are up stairs
17:41 <hothraxxa> wait! grasshopper, does it puff smoke when you rub it?
17:41 <Grasshopper> which is ironic, as some people were asking yesterday why I would bother genociding mimics
17:41 <jonadab> But I doubt very much if it's _enough_ to enable winning consistently.
17:41 <hothraxxa> if so, that's mine
17:42 <Grasshopper> hothraxxa I thought you gave up smoking
17:42 <Grasshopper> :D
17:42 <hothraxxa> well yes
17:42 <rld> <@luxidream> Grasshopper: but I always get nothing D:
17:42 <hothraxxa> i always genocide mimics before orcus town if i can
17:42 <Grasshopper> @luxidream :C
17:43 <hothraxxa> even when i don't need anything
17:43 <hothraxxa> because greed
17:43 <Grasshopper> in my case I broke the conduct, but I don't care about that
17:43 <Grasshopper> I'm greedy too!
17:43 <hothraxxa> also, i hat mimics
17:43 <hothraxxa> hate
17:43 <hothraxxa> always mimicing 
17:44 <Grasshopper> too many early YASDs
17:44 <rld> <@luxidream> slex yani: hat mimic. always imitates a fedora
17:44 <hothraxxa> i should check this, but i don't think mimics have killed me too often
17:44 <Grasshopper> wearing it causes instadeath?
17:44 <Grasshopper> bit like trying to wear a bag of tricks
17:45 <hothraxxa> my ass always looks big in those
17:45 <LarienTelrunya> luxidream: added to my to-do list, thanks :)
17:45 <LarienTelrunya> ais523: it can still be won, it just won't be easy; be the first non-Amy who manages it! ready set go :D
17:45 <rld> <@luxidream> sweet
17:46 <rld> <@luxidream> I'm making the world a better place
17:46 <Grasshopper> bit by bit
17:46 <Grasshopper> and line by line
17:46 <ais523> LarienTelrunya: I find some slex features highly offensive, and that strongly discourages me from playing it
17:46 <ais523> also, the general style isn't really my style of game
17:47 <LarienTelrunya> aww
17:48 <[Demo]> wait no one has one it that isnt amy?
17:48 <rld> <@luxidream> yes
17:48 <LarienTelrunya> nope; a few players came awfully close though
17:49 <[Demo]> jesus
17:49 <LarienTelrunya> ShivanHunter splatted on the Astral Plane due to Famine, Heliokopis died with the Amulet after going up a few levels
17:50 <ais523> you'd probably get better results just playing a missingno. and hoping to randomly ascend within the first couple of turns :-P
17:50 <[Demo]> heh
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17:50 <[Demo]> do they actually corrupt memory?
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17:51 <ais523> they read random blocks of memory for their stats, which normally makes the game crash (at least in the original mode, I think they have a saner mode as an alternative)
17:51 <rld> <@luxidream> what
17:51 <rld> <@luxidream> I gotta see this
17:52 <[Demo]> do these count for junethack with the safety off?
17:52 <LarienTelrunya> !tell K2 SLEX update ready - it's on the slex-2.1.1 branch and fixes a segfault that would happen when generating a quest filler level (the master branch still isn't ready for the server)
17:52 <Beholder> Will do, LarienTelrunya!
17:52 <rld> <@luxidream> is missingno a race?
17:52 <[Demo]> yes
17:52 <rld> <@luxidream> oh, alright
17:53 <LarienTelrunya> it's the missing_safety option that controls it; the crash happens because the player polymorphs into an uninitialized monster and the game tries to display its name, which is likewise uninitialized
17:53 <ais523> why do people keep forgetting the dot? the original was "MISSINGNO." but all names were in allcaps back then
17:54 <rld> <@luxidream> I have a pet RNG
17:54 <rld> <@luxidream> cute
17:55 <LarienTelrunya> the missingno has a chance of transforming when eating any food; to get a crash, turn off missing_safety while polymorphed (if you turn it off before you polymorph, you'll crash when you do polymorph)
17:55 <[Demo]> can you use it to abuse recovery and savescum?
17:56 <LarienTelrunya> probably yes :(
17:56 <LarienTelrunya> however, no sane player would pick the missingno anyway, since they lack limbs and the polymorph forms suck and it's generally a sucky race
17:56 <[Demo]> that would be  tricky to do though still because you get so many shitty polyforms yeah and that
17:57 <[Demo]> might try to pull it off this jnh
17:57 <rld> <@luxidream> yep
17:58 <LarienTelrunya> well, I'm fairly sure slex will screw you over anyway even if you do segfault scum :P
17:58 <rld> <@luxidream> what's a good race/role in slex
17:58 <rld> <@luxidream> since I'm feeling especially suicidal
17:58 <LarienTelrunya> luxidream: oh you want to play an actual char? one moment :)
17:59 <LarienTelrunya> alright here's some role suggestions for slex:
17:59 <LarienTelrunya> Melee roles: Barbarian Jedi Knight Monk Ordinator Samurai Valkyrie Warrior Zyborg  Shooting roles: Doom Marine Elph Gunner Ranger Rocker Twelph  Caster roles: Acid Mage Altmer Electric Mage Flame Mage Ice Mage Mahou Shoujo Necromancer Wizard
17:59 <LarienTelrunya> Harder than hard roles (for those who think getting kicked in the balls repeatedly isn't enough, and who want to get slapped in the face with a cactus and be subjected to chinese water torture at the same time): Camperstriker Courier Failed Existence Feminist Kurwa Transsylvanian
18:00 <[Demo]> part of me thinks a monk troll could be on the easier end
18:01 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, monk is one of the easier roles
18:01 <LarienTelrunya> it's also the most-ascended role in slex (2 of my 9 slexcensions were monks)
18:02 <[Demo]> well i know how to do vanilla monk pretty well
18:02 <[Demo]> (vanilla slashem)
18:03 <[Demo]> what is troll secret weakness?
18:03 <LarienTelrunya> cannot have fire resistance
18:03 <[Demo]> ok cool
18:04 <LarienTelrunya> (read: have fun in Gehennom where fire traps are plentiful)
18:04 <[Demo]> can lawfuls still be pussies and emo themselves and have their god send down a solar?
18:04 <rld> <@luxidream> how do I know what's cannibalism and what isn;t
18:04 <rld> <@luxidream> *isn't
18:04 <[Demo]> guess
18:05 <LarienTelrunya> luxidream: humans count as cannibalism (angels are basically "divine humans"); all K and most @ (except elves) are human
18:05 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: yes, but the chance of getting a solar pet is much lower; you're more likely to get lower angelic minions in slex instead
18:05 <rld> <@luxidream> whoops
18:05 <[Demo]> ok
18:05 <LarienTelrunya> luxidream: what happened?
18:05 <[Demo]> what is spirituality?
18:06 <[Demo]> prayer?
18:06 <LarienTelrunya> spirituality is trained by praying, dropping stuff on an altar or otherwise interacting with the gods and determines your saving throw
18:06 <LarienTelrunya> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Slash%27EM_Extended#Magic_cancellation
18:06 <rld> <@luxidream> i quit
18:06 <rld> <@luxidream> rolled a new char
18:06 <LarienTelrunya> yeah but why? because of the cannibalism?
18:07 <rld> <@luxidream> yes
18:07 <[Demo]> "This stair is currently blocked and will reopen in 5 turns"
18:08 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: wow you're playing too!
18:08 <ais523> don't encourage her :-P
18:08 * LarienTelrunya opens another terminal window to watch :)
18:08 * ais523 vaguely wonders how good LarienTelrunya is at other people's variants
18:08 <rld> <@luxidream> don't worry I won't last very long
18:08 <LarienTelrunya> ais523: FWIW I ascended 5 non-slex variants last Junethack
18:09 <LarienTelrunya> and got the most trophies award, no one had more trophies than I did :D
18:09 <[Demo]> u were tied, werent you?
18:09 <LarienTelrunya> https://junethack.net/user/AmyBSOD
18:09 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, both noty and me had the highest amount of trophies
18:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Demo (Mon Tro Mal Law), 186 points, T:268, killed by a critically injured thief's explosion
18:10 <[Demo]> what
18:10 <[Demo]> dammit
18:10 <LarienTelrunya> kaboom!
18:10 <LarienTelrunya> you like explosions, right?
18:11 <[Demo]> heh
18:12 <APic> KHAWAM!
18:13 <[Demo]> can we get peaceful highlights in slex?
18:13 <LarienTelrunya> yes, if you equip a peacekeeper mail or similar item
18:13 <hothraxxa> boom boom boom boom boom
18:13 <hothraxxa> extra points if you know who wrote that
18:14 <LarienTelrunya> luxidream: hint: #force can kill the shaded lichen (it might require several attempts)
18:16 <Grasshopper> hothraxxa Basil Brush?
18:16 <hothraxxa> no, but his name begins with b so you're close
18:16 <rld> <@luxidream> how to get rid of dim
18:16 <rld> <@luxidream> ?
18:16 <LarienTelrunya> eat a cream pie or apply a unicorn horn, or just wait until it times out (dim means your AC is worse)
18:17 <rld> <@luxidream> and I got radium thrown at me
18:17 <rld> <@luxidream> welp
18:17 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, radium and cyanide potions divide your current HP by 4 or 5, respectively
18:17 * hothraxxa steps away from the glowing luxidream
18:19 <[Demo]> ha i ate a cock
18:19 <[Demo]> "You feel that you will meet your fate here."
18:20 <LarienTelrunya> boss room; that room has spawn points that may randomly spawn boss monsters
18:24 <[Demo]> oh wow a bfg
18:24 <[Demo]> what does icky do again?
18:25 <LarienTelrunya> you mean the icky blade? just a moderately useful sword
18:26 <jonadab> [Demo]: Nothing by itself, but if you combine it with butang zoomboingy zolizeal...
18:26 <jonadab> Then you can stop saying Ni.
18:26 <[Demo]> thought there was an icky cloak too
18:27 <[Demo]> but good point jonadab
18:28 <[Demo]> are there spellbooks of studying forever?
18:29 <LarienTelrunya> some spellbooks take hundreds of turns to read
18:30 <[Demo]> oh got its a lvl 8 spell, ice beam
18:30 <LarienTelrunya> ah, that one is very useful if you can somehow get it castable
18:31 <[Demo]> are gauntlets of typing bad?
18:31 <LarienTelrunya> no, they're just slightly better than leather gloves
18:31 <[Demo]> are there any evil bags?
18:32 <[Demo]> found a +5 pair of typing gauntlets and im a monk so that enchantment matters
18:32 <LarienTelrunya> definitely wear it!
18:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slex] Luxidream (War Ang Mal Law), 29282 points, T:2114, killed by a monster (master lich)
18:33 <[Demo]> oh neat mugger stole bfg and some laser beams
18:33 <[Demo]> how much dmg are we talking on that thing?
18:33 <LarienTelrunya> yeah, never kill intelligent monsters while they're inside shops - let them carry out the shop contents!
18:33 <rld> <@luxidream> okay, I think that's about enough
18:33 <LarienTelrunya> the BFG ammos only do 5 damage per ammo, but it can fire 40 such ammos per shot
18:33 <[Demo]> oh damn
18:33 <LarienTelrunya> laser beams are for blasters, and do d50 damage
18:34 <LarienTelrunya> luxidream: heh, you made it to dlvl40! :D
18:34 <[Demo]> are the gnomish mines still where they belong?
18:34 <LarienTelrunya> usually the gnomish mines downstair is on 2-4, but in 3% of all games it can randomly be as deep as 39
18:37 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: wtf, why are you twoweaponing? monks don't have that skill...
18:38 <jonadab> EPI: any down stair can randomly (one time in twelve or so) send you d6 floors down instead of one; this d6 is subject to the "exploding dice" rule, so if it rolls a 6, that becomes 6 * d6, and if it rolls 6 twice, 6 * 6 * d6, etc.
18:38 <[Demo]> oh word?
18:38 <LarienTelrunya> haha :D
18:39 <[Demo]> damn makes me weaker
18:39 <jonadab> Ooops, did I "accidentally" use * instead of + for the exploding dice?  My bad!
18:39 <LarienTelrunya> it's the evil patch, it can be * of course :D
18:40 <[Demo]> hmm
18:40 <jonadab> Yes, and if this takes you below the bottom of the current dungeon, it creates a branch of minotaur-infested mazes to bridge the gap so you can get back :-)
18:41 <FIQ> wow, lux has a 6-streak in nethack4?
18:41 <[Demo]> there are some really good gen 1 and 2 pokemon locations I'd like to see in some variants
18:41 <FIQ> that's cool
18:41 <FIQ> @luxidream btw, now that you've played a more vanilla NH4-derivative, how much easier is FIQHack's earlygame in comparision to NH4 (rather than 3.6.x)?
18:42 <FIQ> 3.6.x is noticeably harder than 3.4.3 in general so yeah
18:43 <[Demo]> amy why shouldnt I twowep?
18:43 <LarienTelrunya> well, twoweaponing gives a large to-hit malus if you don't have the skill, but if you feel you can still hit things then try it
18:43 <FIQ> ais523: btw, did you ever finish/die on your local fh game out of curiousity?
18:43 <rld> <@luxidream> I have an easier time on NH4 in general. the biggest change in FH is pretty much lit mines
18:43 <ais523> FIQ: no, it's still saved
18:43 <FIQ> I see
18:43 <ais523> I normally play in bursts and not for very long
18:44 <[Demo]> what do too heavy traps do?
18:44 <rld> <@luxidream> it lets virtually anyone buy protection
18:44 <FIQ> @luxidream ah yeah, that's the one significant earlygame change difficulty-wise
18:44 <ais523> @luxidream: FIQHack is harder than NH4 mostly due to the monster AI changes
18:44 <ais523> I think they're a good thing, just it's a lot of effort to write and I'm glad FIQ went into it
18:44 <LarienTelrunya> [Demo]: makes it so that if you pick up an item, your carried weight increases by more than the item actually weighs
18:44 <FIQ> ais523: some people disagree with some of the AI-related changes FIQHack has though :P
18:45 <rld> <@luxidream> I noticed AI differences on astral from vanilla, you definitely have more riders gunning for you
18:45 <ais523> some people will disagree with anything
18:45 <rld> <@luxidream> I think it's an interesting way to increase difficulty
18:45 <FIQ> more riders...?
18:45 <FIQ> not sure what you mean
18:45 <Grasshopper> ais523 I disagree
18:45 <rld> <@luxidream> they know where you are, instead of sticking to their general area
18:45 <FIQ> ah
18:46 <ais523> @luxidream: they know where you are in vanilla too, they just suck at pathing and tend to get stuck on corners
18:46 <FIQ> if you're referring to fh, that's probably from the Amulet granting aggravate monster
18:46 <FIQ> in nethack4 they shouldn't really know where you are I think
18:46 <rld> <@luxidream> probably better pathing as ais523 said, then
18:46 <FIQ> a
18:47 <FIQ> h
18:47 <rld> <@luxidream> but I like the monster AI changes a lot. it encourages different strategies from vanilla
18:47 <ais523> FIQ: yes, riders not having appropriate senses is a known problem in NH4 and one of the blockers on 4.3
18:47 <rld> <@luxidream> FH, I mean
18:47 <ais523> amulet giving agg monster is something I /really/ like, it a) makes sense, b) fixes a number of problems with monster perception in the asc run by itself
18:47 <FIQ> ais523: I solved the latergame sense issue by giving the Amulet aggravate monster :P
18:48 <FIQ> (Which has an actual effect, since FIQHack changed aggravate monster to be reverse-monster detection)
18:48 <rld> <@luxidream> I didn't like the damage reduction nerf because it just makes endgame more difficult without introducing anything gameplay wise
18:48 <FIQ> @luxidream I'm still not sure if it's a good idea or not
18:49 <FIQ> basically I wanted to avoid the trivial lategame (pre-endgame)
18:49 <FIQ> but I think it's the wrong approach
18:49 <FIQ> and has unintentional consequences for the endgame
18:50 <rld> <@luxidream> I'm not sold on it, but maybe you should get some other opinions on it
18:50 <ais523> I think the combat formulas are broken, so finding a working fix to them has to be a good thing, /but/ you probably have to rebalance around it
18:51 <ais523> something as simple as making the properties of monsters in Gehennom relevant would definitely introduce something gameplay wise
18:51 <ais523> even if the monsters themselves are identical and you just changed the formula so that their stats matter
18:51 <FIQ> fun fact: bats in Gehennom spawn very fast in FIQHack
18:52 <FIQ> this was a marginal change based on an existing obscure vanilla feature (they spawn fast in vanilla)
18:52 <FIQ> I don't think this has a large impact on things :P
18:53 <rld> <@luxidream> arbitrarily increasing endgame damage output and making AC less effective doesn't add much to the game
18:53 <FIQ> ais523: one thing I could do is to make monsters spawn in Gehennom have a chance at getting additional trinsics... but this wouldn't really be that useful I think
18:53 <rld> <@luxidream> players at castle can just get more HP
18:53 <FIQ> aside from the increase damage/accuracy/protection things
18:56 <rld> <@luxidream> don't soldiers already have random intrinsics
18:56 <rld> <@luxidream> from their armor
18:56 <rld> <@luxidream> it doesn't change much
18:56 <FIQ> they do, yeah
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19:52 <jonadab> Ok, that's xlogfile for brass.
19:58 <FIQ> hm
19:58 <FIQ> roguelikes.live is down
19:58 <FIQ> inb4 bugzilla is why
19:58 <FIQ> because a nh4 bugtracker is bound to cause issues
19:59 <FIQ> it always did after all
19:59 <jonadab> This looks like a name resolution failure to me.
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20:01 <FIQ> jonadab: then why did rld die?
20:02 <jonadab> Dunno.
20:02 <jonadab> Ah, does it run on there?
20:02 <jonadab> I was not aware of that.
20:02 <jonadab> Oh, now I'm getting a network timeout.
20:02 <jonadab> So maybe there is more going on.
20:03 <jonadab> It's slightly odd that a connectivity/responsiveness issue would happen at the same time as a name resolution issue.
20:03 <jonadab> Unless it's a small ISP that runs their own nameserver in-house and they are having connectivity issues.
20:03 <jonadab> Which, I suppose, is possible.
20:04 <jonadab> Or it could just be more than one problem.  THat does also happen.
20:04 <jonadab> Could potentially be weather-related if it's eastern-US.
20:04 <jonadab> We only got a little ice and a little snow in Ohio, but not sure elsewhere.
20:04 <jonadab> Predictions were all over the map.
20:07 <jonadab> traceroute gets to po1.dal1-500.cr1-rt-dal1-cl.dal1.serverhub.com (23.90.61.174) and can go no further.
20:08 <jonadab> Don't happen to know if that's near where it's hosted, though, I never thought to do a trace when there was no problem.
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20:45 <aosdict> FIQ: [backscroll] YANI: "cave"-like levels like the Mines spawn bats fairly often.
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21:38 <FIQ> roguelikes.live is back
21:40 <Crawldragon> "This is the default welcome page used to test the correct operation of the Apache2 server after installation on Ubuntu systems."
21:40 <FIQ> https://roguelikes.live/nh4-bugzilla/
21:41 <FIQ> why is the bot not starting
21:41 <Crawldragon> Did you double-check that the Second Law is installed properly?
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21:46 <FIQ> this stupid script isn't working
21:46 <FIQ> I blame rumflump
21:46 <FIQ> let's see if this works
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21:47 <FIQ> yay it runs
21:47 <FIQ> test
21:47 <Crawldragon> huzzah!
21:47 <FIQ> bot is back
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22:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3382
22:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1290 points, T:3429, killed by a killer bee
22:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 49 points, T:295, killed by a newt
22:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Cav Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Tiamat, on T:39937
22:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 113 points, T:434, killed by a sewer rat
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23:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nd] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 150 points, T:1570, killed by a magic missile
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23:50 <K2> Slash'EM Extended updated (us and eu)
23:50 <Beholder> K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-01-13 17:52 EST: SLEX update ready - it's on the slex-2.1.1 branch and fixes a segfault that would happen when generating a quest filler level (the master branch still isn't ready for the server)
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