00:03 @luxidream well, I can't answer for fiqhack. just stating vanilla behavior. 00:03 <@luxidream> that is NH4 00:03 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 00:03 <@luxidream> so it should be the same interactions as in 3.4.3 00:07 oh actually, vanilla's mvm combat lumps SSEX in with SITM and SEDU. So yes, you were right. 00:12 [hdf-us] [nh4] Kent Hovind (Luxidream) (Pri Hum Mal Law), 268146 points, T:53827, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack4/dumplog/2018-01-12%2005%3A12%3A11%2C%20Kent%20Hovind-Pri-Hum-Mal-Law%2C%20ascended.txt 00:14 go team @ 00:15 666 HP 00:15 <@luxidream> *team & 00:15 as a lawful priest 00:15 nice touch 00:19 is that two @Luxidream ascensions in 24 hours? 00:20 yep 00:20 just checked the scoreboard 00:24 hmm, 22 non-equipped items in main inventory 00:24 perhaps 21slot is doable after all 00:28 <@luxidream> but my space 00:28 <@luxidream> 😦 00:28 why were you even carrying that many rings 00:29 it looks like most of them were uselss 00:29 *useless 00:29 <@luxidream> forgot to throw them out 00:29 <@luxidream> oops 00:29 <@luxidream> the wands of striking too 00:29 <@luxidream> I'm about as organized in NH as I am in real life 00:30 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:30 and you had 3 rings of poly control 00:30 which is a ring i have never had ID'd in any nethack game outside of wizard mode or wizard startscums 00:31 <@luxidream> they're pretty useful if you don't have magic resistance 00:32 i'll bet 00:34 if i had a ring of poly control i'd use polymorph just to experience it 01:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:08 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 01:40 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:46 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:50 jonadab: People on 4chan are saying: "First it would be nice to either get:1. An executable, or2. Correct instructions on how to compile the game.Until one of those is done, Fourk is nothing more than an interesting-looking changelog." I think it would be nice if you could put a precompiled Windows binary on github so Windows users can actually play, because seriously, compiling it is a pain in the butt (I tried and could 01:50 LarienTelrunya: Message from jonadab at 2018-01-11 12:10 EST: You should do an extinctionist game in slex where you kill 255 of every kind of monster. 01:52 uhh, trying to do an extinctionist run in slex would probably end up with the game running out of easy monsters and thus start spawning tons of ultra-hard ones... read that as "ones that will screw you over and kill you in a couple turns even if you have a full ascension kit" 01:52 and also, slex has a turn limit for ascension; while it's possible to go on playing after exceeding that, it causes random bad stuff to happen and it would make trying to hunt down 120 of every ultra-hard monster type even more dangerous! 01:55 LarienTelrunya: You are scary in frightening and sexy ways. 01:55 oh, hi Crawldragon! didn't realize you were here! nice to see you again, do you want to play SLEX? :D 01:56 <@luxidream> any particular reason 4chan hates server play? 01:56 luxidream: no idea, they should actually like it, in fact when I posted one of my local slex wins there they said "OMG FAKE PLAY ON A SERVER U CHEAT0R" :P 01:57 Still not principally allowed to play any game in which kicking an opponent i. the nuts is considered "funny" and too drunk to play any video game but thanks for offering 01:58 Crawldragon: I guess you don't play the GTA games either, then. 01:58 No, but I did play Saints Row The Third for a bit 01:59 you can probably guess what my favorite activity in those games is :) 02:00 Kicking guys in the nuts? 02:00 nah, angering random female NPCs and letting them kick the player character (Claude, Tommy, CJ, Niko or whoever it is) in the nuts 02:01 If so then you probably lack any empathy for men in which case I'm unsurprised that you're a lesbian 02:02 FIQ: awwwwwwwwwww you're going to censor the messages when foocubuses in FIQhack seduce other monsters? how very lame :P 02:03 * LarienTelrunya imagines what the messages would be like if monster-versus-monster seduction was a thing in slex 02:04 "the succubus hits the gnome with her high-heeled sandal!" 02:05 Gpd J l 02:05 :D 02:06 God I love that Dudley strip I did. I wish I could could come up woth jokes like that that weren't specific to non Nethqck fans. 02:07 fuck it, you knpw whT I mean 02:07 which one? you made a bunch of Dudley strips, I guess you mean the dunmer one? 02:07 ye, you got it 02:07 yeah I love that one too ♥ 02:07 "YOU N'WAH!!!" 02:08 I love all of them 02:09 oh I see you were actually there when FIQ contemplated what inter-monster foocubus seduction would be like! 02:11 yeah I suggested that AD_SSEX sbould be aliased to AE_SEDU under certai. circumstancez 02:11 but y'know sexual content is awkward to work o to a video game 02:12 slex already has additional lines for AD_SSEX like "The water nymph gently pulls down your pants with her soft, fleecy hands..." 02:13 Jesus Christ 02:13 Slow down, woman! 02:13 * Crawldragon makes the sign pf the cross 02:14 and in slex you or the monster (depending on who is female) can get pregnant and have a baby 02:14 ew ew ew ew eww 02:14 for ease of implementation, the "baby" is simply a tame version of either your role or the monster 02:15 that is one thing I both envy and don't envy qbout straight guys: I will likely never know waht it is like to get a woman pregnant 02:19 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:22 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:22 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:51 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:04 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 03:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 03:09 jonadab: some of your disintegration EPIs are in slex, i.e. there are disintegration melee/gaze/ranged attacks and wands of disintegration :) 03:10 and you wonder why I'm too scared to play Slex :-) 03:11 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 03:11 -!- hpardis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:11 always remember that it's just a game, if your character dies you can simply make a new one! 03:12 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 03:13 true nuff m8 03:13 also, Crawldragon: what you'd need for slex is a character that starts with the "Luisa's Charming Beauty" artifact weapon, which has the unique effect of protecting your sensitive body parts from kick attacks. 03:14 I would have simply named it "Luisa's Fellow Feeling" 03:15 but then again I'm drunk and trying to both manage my old laptop's battery liglfe and make perogies at the same time 03:15 so what the hell do I know? 03:15 well, you definitely just suggested an additional artifact to add to slex :) 03:16 oh god what fresh hell have I wrought? 03:16 heeheehee 03:17 you should be proud, because that new artifact will also give protection from being kicked in the nuts! 03:17 will it give protection from the desire to kick other people in the nuts? 03:18 haha, you can't actually do that in slex anyway; there are hallucinatory combat messages, but they're just flavor 03:18 ah now I'm not an expert but from what I rekember of my mom's cooking these perogies are done 03:19 and yet still not sure how the hell to spell the plural or "perogie" 03:19 pr the singularz to be honest 03:19 "pierog" apparently? 03:19 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierogi 03:20 "cooking in bpiling water" HERESY!!! 03:21 you broil them on a skillet 03:21 there is clearly no other proper way to make 'em 03:21 qnd I should know I'm drunk off klmy asd 03:22 yeah cooking them sounds weird 03:26 never change, Amy 03:26 I tease you because I like you 03:27 haha, thanks :) 03:30 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 04:32 Evil Patch idea: if an invisible or otherwise undetected monster attacks you, no I marker is being placed. You have to guess which direction the attack is coming from if you want to retaliate. 04:41 Evil Patch idea: monsters that hide underneath items, as well as cloaked mimics, cannot be hit by missile weapons, beams and the like, to increase the chance that you stumble into them. Or they can be hit but there is no message telling you so, meaning you won't suspect that a monster is there and will stumble into it. 04:43 LarienTelrunya: Apparently you missed my release announcement on December 7th. 04:44 huh, I did? what did it say? 04:44 Not that I care very much what 4chan users think. If they think. Which they usually don't. 04:44 :D 04:45 It said, among other things, here's version 4.3.0.4, officially released now, with working build instructions and a Windows binary. 04:45 well I am an occasional 4chan user, I guess that makes me like an unthinkable vegetable at times ;) 04:45 ... wait, it has a windows binary??? but I downloaded it and didn't see it! I'll have to look again 04:45 https://github.com/tsadok/nhfourk/releases 04:46 is there an easy way to check which version I have? 04:46 There is a problem with the SDL version not working for some people, which I cannot reproduce here, probably because I had to install SDL in order to create the build. 04:46 #version 04:47 the singledir version is the windows binary I suppose? 04:47 The .msi is more recommended, but the singledir is also a Windows binary. 04:48 It's an icky all-in-one-folder can't-be-properly-installed executable-in-a-user-writeable-location thing though. 04:48 The .msi does a proper install. 04:48 Well, insofar as it's possible to do a proper install of anything on Windows. 04:50 it works!!! :) 04:53 are those binaries updated periodically? 04:54 No. 04:54 Version 4.3.0.4 is _released_, meaning there will not be further changes to it. 04:54 Evil Patch idea: acid blobs can breathe acid. 04:55 (The master branch has some subsequent changes that are still save-compatbile with it; which will eventually be in the next version...) 04:55 Actually, EPI: gelatinous cubes can breathe acid *and paralysis*. And the paralysis stacks with any ongoing paralysis. 04:55 Oooh, paralysis breath. That IS evil. 04:56 heh, slex has a petrification breath, which is supposedly even more evil 04:56 @le?master mason 04:56 master mason (D) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 24 | Spd: 9 | Res: petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 20 | Generates: special | AC: -3 | Attacks: 3d8 breath petrification, 4d6 bite physical, 3d3 lashing physical, 3d3 claw physical | Alignment: 7 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, seeinvis, lithivore 04:56 and dnethack has Mammon who is supposed to have a goldification breath (which is similar to petrification), but apparently he sometimes breathes segfaults instead 04:57 but anyway, so that means the 4.3.0.4 of Nethack Fourk does not receive updates? what about the one on the server? bugfixes and stuff? 04:57 The server is on the master branch. 04:57 So it does recieve updates. 04:58 But building a Windows binary is an annoyingly complex process, I'm not doing that every time I make a commit. 04:59 If I had any significant number of players on Windows, which I don't currently, I might consider doing a quarterly or possibly even a monthly build. 04:59 heh, you know, if you were using the 3.4.3 build system, compiling on Windows would be a matter of 30 seconds ;) 04:59 I've never even managed to get 3.4.3 to build on Windows _at all_. 05:00 I know it's theoretically possible, but. 05:00 (or 5 seconds if just a single file, like cmd.c, got changed) 05:01 never managed to build it on windows because you didn't try, or because it somehow didn't work? if the latter, what compiler are you using? with MinGW it's not that hard to do 05:01 -!- hpardis has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:02 I haven't tried again recently, admittedly; it would probably work with WSL. 05:02 Though that wouldn't produce a redistributable runs-on-Windows native build. 05:02 Last time I tried was with Cygwin on Win XP. 05:02 Which also wouldn't produce a redistributable runs-on-WIndows native build, come to think of it. 05:03 what I find surprising is that my MinGW builds on slex can freely be transferred from 32-bit Win XP to 64-bit Win 7 and vice versa; they run on both :) 05:03 The 64-bit versions of Windows include legacy 32-bit versions of every library that comes with Windows. 05:03 (bottom line is "MinGW ftw!" :D) 05:04 Because Microsoft assumes that software A) is binary-only proprietary crap and B) has absentee developers who won't recompile for "new" architectures like AMD64 that have only existed for 15 years. 05:04 You CAN get this kind of functionality with Linux by enabling multi-arch and installing the 32-bit versions of all the libraries, but nobody does because that would be dumb. 05:06 well I guess those who want to make money off their software refuse to release their source code for a reason 05:08 Either because they don't understand the difference between copyright and trade secret, or else because they think copy protection actually works. 05:09 hahaha :D everyone just copies the copy protection along with the software itself! 05:09 It used to be common for proprietary software vendors to provide the source code along with the software (but not under a license that let you redistribute it). 05:10 Yes, copy protection only works if you control the _hardware_. 05:10 Which, in practice, you don't. 05:11 wait, if proprietary software includes the source code, then some ambitious programmer could compile the copy protection, activation code etc. out of it and then give the compiled product to others! 05:11 They do that anyway, it's called warez. 05:11 Because copy protection doesn't work. 05:12 yeah it's like a neverending arms race between the software vendors and software pirates I guess 05:13 and whenever the former come up with a new instance of "copy protection", it takes the latter one week until it's been cracked 05:13 The most effective solution is to make the software absolutely dependent on some internet service that requires an account with a valid subscription. 05:13 But even that breaks down sometimes. 05:13 As e.g. Nintendo has discovered. 05:15 Actually, it's arguable that it's even more effective to make the software absolutely dependent on an internet service that requires a free account, but which constantly encourages small purchases of add-on services. 05:16 Users hate this. 05:16 But they pay money. 05:16 haha, what if the updates (for bugfixes etc.) themselves would require payment? (actually, I guess that also happens already) 05:16 I don't think I've ever done an in-app purchase, and when apps nag too much I uninstall them. 05:17 raisse: I think most folks don't; but enough do that it adds up, apparently. 05:19 the only app that nags that I keep using is Duolingo, but I do want to learn Spanish 05:19 Evil Patch idea: instead of occasional "You hear some noises in the distance" messages, the game spams you with messages when your pet fights something outside of your sight. "It misses it! It is missed! It bites it! It moans in pain! It is killed!" 05:19 ooh, 'it' messages 05:19 I love those 05:19 hahaha "You see here a cockatrice corpse. It explodes!" 05:20 lol yes 05:20 You seem unaffected by it. 05:20 (I guess "It explodes!" is one of the funniest messages in the game when it appears after a different, unrelated message; there's just so many funny combos!) 05:20 In principle, I'm not categorically opposed to in-app purchases, if they provide some actually useful service that has a valid reason to cost extra. 05:21 Or, actually, for that matter, some actually _interesting to some users_ service, whether genuinely useful or not. 05:22 I'm not categorically opposed to in-app purchases but I am categorically opposed to nagging. 05:22 if there's just a "buy stuff" button or menu option, yes 05:22 if the app keeps shoving it in my face at every change of screen, no 05:24 Right, yes, the nagging is bad. 06:05 Evil Patch idea: if you kick down a door, it becomes angry and starts attacking you. 06:06 Evil Patch idea: you can walk underneath trees, but occasionally an apple will fall from it and kill you. You can also #jump over trees, but then an apple can fall up and kill you. 06:12 <[Demo]> why can't monkeys climb trees? 06:13 apples can fall up? what happened to gravity? 06:16 in IWBTG they can ;) 07:02 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:05 La dee da, don't mind me, tum dee dumm, I am just pushing some minor syntax error fixes for NetHack Brass 0812221, la dee da, nothing to see here at https://github.com/tsadok/NetHackBrass.git 07:07 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:07 <@Tone> heh, cool 07:09 rofl 07:09 reading backscroll... LarienTelrunya is killing me 07:10 jonadab: are you compiling the English version? :-) 07:10 bhaak: I think so. 07:10 K2: if you play SLEX, literally :-D 07:10 I didn't define JP 07:10 that's what I remember as well :-) 07:11 i'm just offended that there's no inclusion of all monsters 07:11 why cant it be 07:11 'the gelantenous cube gently pulls down your pants with its soft, fleecy hands... 07:11 why does it always have to be a nymph? 07:12 right, you would think she would at least add some tentacle sex 07:12 cater to our japanese players 07:12 weirdos 07:13 'the kraken eyes you seductively' 07:14 * K2 advises to never EVER browse japanese porn 07:14 K2: Not even at work? 07:14 Ahem. 07:14 aaaaand I feel like I've typed too much 07:14 not at work yet :P 07:15 jonadab you're fixing brass?? 07:16 K2: Possibly a little. Got it to the point where it compiles. 07:16 oh my 07:16 Not sure HOW far I will take this. We shall see. 07:17 It's NH3 codebase, which is all K&R icky, so I don't know how much I'll be able to take of it. 07:17 good luck! 07:17 let me know when you think it's ready enough to try and put online 07:17 heh 07:18 Heh. 07:18 Whether I will get THAT far with it remains to be seen. 07:18 THat'd require doing stuff like xlogfile. 07:19 what version of nh3 is brass based off of? 3.3.1? 07:20 At present, it's not clear that the game is winnable, because the fakewiz levels aren't generated. 07:20 It's possible that this is normal and expected. 07:20 I don't know that much about the variant. 07:20 ah 07:20 But the Makefile seems to expect them to exist. 07:20 So I am not sure. 07:23 ok off to work 07:26 Hmm. 07:26 This version definitely has bugs. 07:26 Dlvl:2 $:16 HP:16(2) Pw:2(1) AC:-686769144 Xp:1/15 T:292 Burdened 07:28 Wait, Brass has 3.6-style statues? I did not realize this. 07:28 <@Tone> jonadab can you lure the wizard out with a drum of earthquake? 07:29 <@Tone> Damn, that's some good AC 07:30 I assume that's a display glitch. 07:30 It fluctuates without apparent rhyme or reason. 07:30 Right now my AC shows as 21. 07:31 But e.g. the act of opening a door made it 512. 07:31 Then I stepped into the door and it's -686769144. 07:32 Ate a hobbit corpse, AC is now 38470400. 07:32 I think it's just reading it from the wrong memory address or something. 07:35 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:45 <[Demo]> Oh brass is neat 08:09 fiqhack isn't slex 08:09 ah larien left 08:10 also I've already considered making monsters throw food at domestic pets 08:30 !tell ais523 what I mean @ the timeout_get_wch thing, it returns unicode while wgetch returns not. How do I treat timeout_get_wch output the way wgetch does it? Basically I want to add a function for key input in nethack4 with a timeout but which otherwise behaves like nh_getwch, so I can in some cases make a refreshing UI or something akin to "Waiting for user to create a save file. q - Quit" for 08:30 Will do, FIQ! 08:30 watchmode. 08:31 !tell ais523 watchmode 08:31 Will do, FIQ! 08:53 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the human zombie of nht, the former Sightseer, on T:23088 10:03 !time 10:03 Tangles: Fri Jan 12 10:03:41 2018 EST 10:16 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 10:17 -!- moon.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org or nethack@eu.hardfought.org ¤ our channel is now linked to #nethack-hardfought on Roguelikes Discord 10:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 10:17 !ping 10:17 K2: Pong! 10:17 <@K2> !tell K2 test 10:17 @K2: Message from Tangles at 2018-01-11 16:54 EST: You can use an @ before the name in !tell to ping discord users. I'll have a look at integrating this better later when I have time. 10:17 Will do, @K2! 10:18 heh 10:18 K2: Message from @K2 at 2018-01-12 10:17 EST: test 10:18 \o/ 10:18 !tell @K2 test 10:18 Will do, K2! 10:18 <@K2> hi 10:18 Hello @K2, Welcome to #hardfought 10:18 @K2: Message from K2 at 2018-01-12 10:18 EST: test 10:18 double \o/ 10:18 thanks Tangles 10:18 discord types - !tell works both ways now 10:19 may have mercy on your souls 10:22 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 10:25 ugh, i forgot to add extrainfo to unnethack last night 10:25 will do tonight/this weekend 10:27 !lotg nht 10:27 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, nht! 10:27 <@Tone> Oooh nice 10:28 nht: I have a good solution for your genocide problems. Make master mind flayers ungenocideable ;) 10:32 bwahaha 10:33 i should do that for beholders in gh 10:33 K2: No 10:33 female mistress mind flayers & tentacle sex 10:34 much sucking ensued 10:34 bone devil form seems ok 10:34 speed 15 and free poison attack 10:35 nht: Oh, yeah, that sounds useful 10:35 Is there armor restrictions? 10:35 apparently I can't pray to The Lady as a demon though 10:35 You can 90% of hte time 10:35 "The very idea of praying to a neutral god is repugnant to you." 10:35 Oh wait no, I'm thinking of undead 10:35 Ah 10:35 FIQ why not 10:35 bone devil is large so no body armour 10:35 nht: Btw, FIQHack speed modifiers work a bit different 10:36 Fast makes you 4/3x as fast as normal 10:36 Very fast makes you 5/3x as fast as normal 10:36 Slow makes you 1/2x as fast as normal 10:36 If you (as a player) is fast (or very fast), there is speed randomization involved 10:37 To prevent melee kite shenanigans 10:37 This means that slower polyforms gain less from speed 10:37 and faster polyforms gain more 10:37 The reason for this change is to make monster/player speed boosts more consistent 10:37 and making monsters use the player speed boosts would be weird for slower monsters 10:37 so I should air elemental it up 10:38 Air elementals would have 60 speed on average, yes 10:38 shame air elementals can't wear speed boots 10:38 no feets 10:38 FIQ: wait, is "of speed" an object property? 10:38 aos: It is 10:39 potion of speed lasts a long time with 5 moves a turn 10:39 can it be used on stuff that an air E can use? 10:39 aos: Only armor can have it 10:40 Speed, power, displacement, clairvoyance, fumbling, carrying 10:40 Is only available on armor 10:41 http://sprunge.us/NIKj 11:05 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 11:12 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:17 !tell K2 theoretically, gelatinous cubes in slex can spawn with the seducer egotype, and then they can in fact initiate sex and pull down your pants with their soft, fleecy (actually slimy :D) hands! 11:17 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 11:17 (or maybe "hands" becomes something else, not sure if I used body_part(HAND) there; I probably should 11:17 ) 11:20 rofl 11:20 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-01-12 11:17 EST: theoretically, gelatinous cubes in slex can spawn with the seducer egotype, and then they can in fact initiate sex and pull down your pants with their soft, fleecy (actually slimy :D) hands! 11:21 yeah sadly it always says "hands", even if the monster has some other limb in the place of a hand 11:21 You know there's a body_part() function for this purpose, right? 11:22 Also mbodypart 11:22 In case it's a monster's body part. 11:22 yes; as I said: "not sure if I used body_part(HAND) there; I probably should" 11:22 Ah, right. 11:22 I should read more context. 11:22 or, well, mbodypart in this case, obviously 11:23 and you're working on nethackbrass now? why do the fake wizard towers not get generated, is the .des file missing or what? 11:23 Not sure exactly. 11:23 I need to investigate that. 11:23 To see if it's intended, or a consequence of a half-finished change. 11:23 oh, they commented out those levels in yendor.des for some reason! 11:24 and dungeon.def does not have fake wizard towers either! 11:24 See also the .org vs .new files in dat/ 11:24 Not sure what is up with that. 11:24 I haven't looked into it, because I was more concerned with basic things like getting it to compile. 11:25 yendor.des places a branch (probably a ladder?) where the magic portal would be, so I guess the entrance is somewhere different 11:26 Ah, maybe. 11:27 ooh, I think I found the solution: the wizard's tower is not in the regular Gehennom, but apparently accessed by a branch stair in Gehennom! 11:27 Ah. 11:27 That would explain it. 11:27 So it's an intended change, then, and the Makefile just hadn't caught up. 11:27 yep 11:27 I have a sneaking suspicion, from this and a couple of other things, that the last Brass developer was working on a system that doesn't use make for building. 11:28 Maybe Amiga or classic MacOS or, heaven help us, Visual Studio. 11:30 patchlevel.h suggests that it's based on nh343, which is a relief I guess; it could also have been based on 3.3.0 or something even earlier :D 11:31 It was released in 04 or 05, right? Would be weird if it weren't based on 3.4.x 11:33 M2_RIDE? brass allows monster riding? 11:34 Dunno. 11:34 Haven't got that far. 11:35 At the moment I'm trying to figure out how to run it in gdb so I can track down the #name segfault. 11:35 but nhbrass is a shell script. 11:35 So I have to parse it and figure out where it is looking for the binary. 11:36 lol "glasses of phantasmagoria", sounds like something from slex 11:36 Ah, I see. 11:36 The real binary is in HACKDIR for some reason. 11:38 But I can't run that in gdb either. 11:38 Maybe because it is suid? 11:38 Let me try doing it as root. 11:39 Ah, there we go. 11:39 LarienTelrunya: what do they do? 11:39 Hmm, but now I don't get the segfault. 11:39 Lovely. 11:40 aos: dunno; they exist in brass's objects.c but it doesn't say what they do, that code is probably somewhere else 11:40 jonadab: sounds like a nasty heisenbug 11:40 LarienTelrunya: either that or my .nhbrassrc is relevant. 11:40 I'll test that momentarily. 11:41 Hmm, that seems not to be the issue. 11:41 Well, then. 11:41 This will be tricky to sort out. 11:42 aos: They probably help you search for the Lost Orb. 11:42 (I hope I'm joking.) 11:43 oh, GLASSES("glasses of phantasmagoria", "gold-rimmed glasses", 1, HALLUC, 1, 3, 80), 11:43 apparently they give hallucination :P 11:44 * aos is feeling too lazy to clone the brass repository and look for explanations 11:44 mkobj.c makes them generate 90% cursed, obviously 11:44 i.e. just a trap item, kind of like what slex does with every single wearable item class :P 11:45 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 11:45 I don't like trap items that serve zero other purpose. (Admittedly, there are only a couple problematic ones in vanilla.) 11:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:46 let me guess, scroll of amnesia? :D 11:46 (the fun thing is that in slex the scroll of amnesia actually has a use in a certain situation - it will cure contamination) 11:47 As it stands, that's one. (The marginal forgetting spells early effect really isn't worth it.) 11:47 Loadstones and most of the 90% cursed amulets as well. 11:48 the fumbling items also don't have any real use, or do they? 11:48 Nope. 11:49 I might just want to remove fumbling-dedicated items completely, because I can't see a way to salvage them and make them useful some other way. 11:50 (You could salvage e.g. the amulet of restful sleep, by making it "restful" so you regenerate really fast while asleep and wearing it.) 11:50 what about the wand of nothing? 11:51 Not really a trap item. 11:51 I think wand of nothing does exist purely to make item identification more complicated, though. 11:51 it'd be a trap item if it were the Wand of 20d6 Fiery Explosion when Engraving, as a trap to dissuade random engrave-testing. 11:52 LarienTelrunya: slex idea ^ :-) 11:52 Though in Wands Balance Patch variants, you can use it to practice wand skill. 11:52 jonadab wants a wand of lava that creates a lava square when it's used for engraving ;) 11:52 "wants" 11:52 If I _wanted_ that, I'd implement it; it's not like it'd be hard. 11:52 well you suggested it as an EPI, so it'll be in slex ;) 11:53 See, I think you are confused about the meaning of the E in "EPI". 11:53 Excellent Patch Idea? 11:56 aos: FIQHack gives you sleep resistance (not immunity) with the amulet of restful sleep 11:57 LarienTelrunya: Yes, brass have steeds 11:57 ah, I see 12:13 * aos compiles newly player-monster-merged doortrap code, tests, instasegfault 12:16 <@mtf> that's what you get aos 12:17 <@mtf> for trying to innovate 12:17 oh, it's because, somehow, the compiler didn't catch me *changing the number of arguments to a function* 12:17 and forgetting to change the one call to it 12:17 <@mtf> ??? how is that even possible 12:18 I dunno, the change to extern.h should have forced a recompile... 12:28 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 12:34 Yes, compilers are supposed to catch that. 12:41 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:42 [hdf-us] [nd] ellipsis (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 3139 points, T:4151, killed by a soldier ant 12:45