00:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:56 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 01:50 -!- nikheizen has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:50 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:51 EPI: if your only source of reflection is a silver dragon scale mail, black dragon breath will hit your cloak first... and vaporize it. (Let's see if one of the evil variants now goes ahead and implements that. :D) 01:51 Similarly, fire breath will still burn the cloak, which is mainly relevant in variants where erosion can destroy items after 4 hits. 01:52 -!- nikheizen has joined #hardfought 02:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:19 FIQ: "Greased gloves grant extrinsic slippery fingers." The fun part about that is that the vanilla code would make it impossible to take off those gloves, regardless of BUC. :D 02:24 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 02:34 -!- DrakeMarshall has joined #hardfought 02:35 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 02:47 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 02:50 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:51 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 02:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 02:58 NCommander: Your wafer thin mind idea is implemented in slex now! :) However, it's a monster, not a comestible as originally suggested, and its corpse does the choking thing when eaten. 03:13 -!- DrakeMarshall has quit [Quit: *poof*] 03:18 turn 1 FIQHack crash 03:19 save: https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nht/fiqhack/save/1515485866_nht.nhgame 03:19 it crashes back to the start menu without message 03:22 here's the message from the ttyrec " saved games*** Error in `/fiqhackdir/fiqhack': free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x00000000021fcff0 ***" 03:23 and then some lines of Backtrace 04:14 !tell jonadab https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/7ox4eq/setting_the_bar_even_higher/dserrci/ (EPI :D) 04:14 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 04:16 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:24 !tell Chris_ANG Your elder priest is too weak, here's some suggestions to beef him up: https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/7ox4eq/setting_the_bar_even_higher/dserrci/ :D 04:24 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 04:52 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:53 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:22 -!- hpardis has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:50 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:51 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:59 Ultra Evil Patch idea: Every time you enter or leave Gehennom, regardless of how, you forgot the identity of all items and they all have their randomized appearances shuffled. That way, you will be able to enjoy doing the identification game again when you find any scrolls, potions or wands in Gehennom! 06:03 LarienTelrunya, yay, I feel like I made the world a slightly eviler place for 2018! 06:05 :) 06:07 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 06:10 NCommander: weren't you the guy who wants to get the first non-Amy slexcension? you'll have to hurry, since the next version is being developed at a rapid pace now and more than doubles the game length! :D 06:10 LarienTelrunya, I am, but I also have this annoying thing called a life :( 06:10 oh no! 06:12 LarienTelrunya, yeah, its a pity real life isnt' SLEX, I'm fairly sure I could convince you to patch out the bits of evil that prevent playing NetHack and its variants 24/7. 06:13 haha, yeah, I'd slefixy real life and make it so that all the time you don't spend with sleeping, eating or playing games, you'd be able to spend with shoes :) 06:14 * NCommander pictures LarienTelrunya's house as containing one desk, one computer, one bed, and every square inch covered in shoes or shoe accessories. 06:15 May I put that as a random quote message into slex? Please say yes! :) 06:15 sure 06:16 Is going into fortunate.dat or some other random quote database? 06:16 *fortune.dat 06:16 pager.c probably (I'm fairly certain more than half of that file is made up of random messages now) 06:17 Patch SLEX to download the nethack quotes database on the fly for more variety (though obviously it's too evil to REQUIRE SLEX be played online) 06:17 lol I just checked, about 80% of that file is random messages! 06:17 and the file is already 685 KB in size :D 06:18 * NCommander says screw it 06:18 * NCommander pops up a singel game of slex 06:19 * LarienTelrunya starts watching with a smile on her face 06:22 I haven't figured out a good method of scroll identification in slex 06:22 wait until you have a couple, and the biggest stack is probably identify ;) 06:23 LarienTelrunya, I tried that in vanilla not long ago. Amnesia :( 06:23 (fuck the RNG) 06:23 ouch! 06:24 haha, you're right about the (?) because it can also be a wand of mutation; when zapped on yourself, it will still polymorph you though, the only difference is that zapping a monster with mutation will give that monster an egotype instead of polymorphing it 06:25 LarienTelrunya, handy. I have the SLEX source code on hand to figure out things 06:25 ah, neat, so you can just check engrave.c for all the messages :) 06:26 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:29 so fake artifact spellbook 06:29 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:29 Does it mean it's still a spellbook, or is it just junk? 06:29 yeah; might still contain a usefull spell 06:29 also, this is slex, uncursed spellbooks are safe to read as long as they have at least one charge, and even a valkyrie can get moderately good at casting ;) 06:34 LarienTelrunya, do they still generate with four charges or is that a SLEX change? 06:34 they generate with a random amount of charges, and there's about a 4% chance they generate with zero charges 06:35 I've found that engraving Elbereth before reading makes it mostly safe, since even if the spellbook is bad and you do get paralyzed, the Elbereth will mostly keep things away from you. Having the pet nearby also helps, obviously. 06:36 I'd also recommend enhancing that petkeeping skill, it increases the kitten's HP recovery rate and allows you to take it up/downstairs when it's two spaces away (with a y/n confirmation prompt) 06:37 caaaaareful, batman plants are stationary but have a very powerful poison attack 06:37 (they're really poison ivy plants, obviously) 06:38 seems like the downstair might be in the center wall square of that black room 06:38 there might be secret doors leading to it, or there might not; the panic digging technique can help you get in ;) 06:39 I need a way to raze the door or teleport to keep going 06:39 :/ 06:39 close the door and kick it down? 06:39 * NCommander goes back to the altar to check the other two spellbooks 06:39 or search again, there might be a secret passage south of the door ;) 06:40 also, if you test enough stuff on altars, you can enhance the spirituality skill, which governs saving throw and is therefore very useful to increase. 06:48 LarienTelrunya, the risk is the altar vanishing 06:48 yeah, that can happen 06:48 LarienTelrunya, annoyingly, the top level of the quest spawned in the dungeon. Without levitation, that's an instant death trap if the fire ants melt the ice 06:49 hmm, maybe you can find the gnomish mines downstair on dlvl3, then you can postpone that quest level for a while and hopefully find a source of levitation/flying 06:49 LarienTelrunya, oh, so no more portal? 06:49 portal? 06:50 that quest level is only a copied version of the real quest level, i.e. it has up/downstairs like a normal dungeon level and the quest NPCs are replaced with random monsters 06:50 ah 06:50 If the mines are here, it's on the otherside of the river 06:51 there was a broad pick in that shop afaik, you might want to get that, since it's very important to have a digging tool in slex 07:07 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 36004 points, T:2605, killed by a bolt of fire 07:08 LarienTelrunya, mines was on the fake quest level. And I spotted a gray stone. I need to check what evil you put there :P 07:09 gray stones are never safe in slex, there's tons of bad ones and only few good ones :D 07:10 oh, you did get one of the few good ones! 07:10 LarienTelrunya, ... you know, I honestly don't even remember the last time I found a touchstone in vanilla :P 07:11 * NCommander will need to bless it before it's useful though :( 07:12 well at least it lets you check whether a gem is worthless or not 07:14 yay, a level with fleecy-colored walls! 07:15 [hdf-us] [nd] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:12232 07:18 Air Elemental wereform 07:18 ... That's actually shockingly useful 07:18 but it's also blind :( well, at least it trains your polymorphing skill every time you transform 07:19 LarienTelrunya, blind isn't as annoying as it sounds, with air elemental speed, you can search and move at roughly the same as a normal person, plus #monster to summon friendly is nice 07:19 well yeah, but you cannot see those tame air elementals either 07:20 btw, you can Ctrl-U to remove the I markers 07:20 (IMHO all other variants should copy that feature :D) 07:20 This will wear off on its on, right? Normally I chuck things at my self to de-polymorph but I just feel like that might be a YASD in hiding in slex :) 07:21 yeah you'll eventually unpolymorph; tossing things upward repeatedly will still depolymorph you normally 07:22 Ctrl-U ain't working :( 07:23 wtf? maybe your terminal somehow catches that code; it's also possible to access the command in some different way though 07:23 maybe it was #removeimarkers 07:23 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:25 @?jabberwock 07:25 jabberwock (J) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 18 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 50 | Generates: sheol gehennom dungeons | AC: -2 | Attacks: 2d10 bite physical, 2d10 bite physical, 2d10 claw physical, 2d10 claw physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, flies, infravisible 07:26 Having three tame air elementals is fun 07:26 they're even more fun if you saddle and ride one, because then you can move at air elemental speed without the blindness! 07:28 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:37 -!- puck1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0-dev] 07:38 LarienTelrunya, yup. honestly, this wereform is working nicely. Got me out of a leather armor that autocursed on equip 07:39 LarienTelrunya, I noticed things didn't get destroyed, is that a random chance, or actually a feature? 07:39 that's a random chance that gets higher as your polymorphing skill goes up 07:40 *sigh* 07:40 also, the chance of breaking your stuff is higher the bigger your polymorphed form is 07:40 * NCommander got a cursed -3 plate mail ... 07:40 why is that bad? it's still 7 points of AC 07:40 Well at least I know that won't be a permament problem :) 07:40 You boosted the base AC? 07:41 yes, plate mail base AC is 10 points, 1 more than DSM 07:43 you're probably gonna need a container to store excess items to prevent them from all becoming # and being hard to select 07:47 LarienTelrunya, yeah, I'm figuring that out. I'm likely going to stash stuff here before debating my next move. Sokoban seems like a decent option though I already hate that in vanilla and I know from your LP that there are a ton of new layouts. 07:48 hahaha, yeah slexoban can be hell, but it can also be easier than vanilla if the RNG decides to replace the walls with ice or other easily passable terrain 07:49 LarienTelrunya, does divine protection work like vanilla? (not like I have much gold but ya know) 07:49 nope, you always need to donate exactly 4000 gold for protection, regardless of your XL 07:50 * NCommander has no issues w/ that change 07:50 I assume cross-aligned is fine though? 07:50 yes 07:50 just don't try to buy protection from priests of Moloch, since they spawn hostile and will just whack you over the head if you try. 07:50 Yeah, that always bugged the crap out of me in vanilla 07:50 I've only ever done that once when VoTD was the single priest in the game 07:51 (minetown was a bones) 07:55 NCommander: wtf, are you trying to get killed?! 07:56 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha), 8499 points, T:1837, killed by a boulder 07:56 ... why didn't you use an escape item, like one of those phase door scrolls? 07:56 I forgot they existed 07:56 :P 07:56 heh 07:57 [hdf-us] [slex] NCslex (Val Hum Fem Law), 12573 points, T:4176, killed by a monster (priestess of Loki) 07:57 Still, first time I made it to minetown in slex 07:57 rip :( 07:57 That's an accomplishment in my book 07:57 yay! 07:59 LarienTelrunya, at least you haven't made it so random monsters can't genocide you when you're polymorphed as an instadeath :P 08:00 wiped out by a monster's scroll of genocide :( 08:00 yeah, slex is supposed to stay sane, scrolls of genocide are supposed to be used by players only 08:01 a - a blessed +1 quarterstaff named Puddingbane (weapon in hands) {40} 08:01 starting weapon in fourk. 08:01 * NCommander questions LarienTelrunya's sanity in general but can admit that while SLEX can pretty much be brutal, there is consideration 08:02 Or in other words, while the RNG in nethack doesn't care if you live or die, SLEX just wants you dead :) 08:03 haha, that's quite the nice way to put it :) usually I say commercial games want you to win, nethack doesn't care if you win or lose, slashem wants you dead, slex wants you to SUFFER :D 08:04 Eh, my main problem with slash'em base is I found it annoyingly unbalanced. Unless you get a decent start, it's way too easy to die in the first five Dls. 08:05 yep, and the main reason for that is you level up half as fast, so you're still XL1 on dlvl3 08:05 I don't mind a hard start, but I've had SLASH'EM cough up most of an ascension kit before the castle. 08:05 that's the other big problem with regular slashem, you get several guaranteed ascension kits in the monty haul segment that lies between sokoban and the castle! 08:05 and then you've won already and just need to endure the remaining game :D 08:06 Which was mostly gehennom at that point. Shorter, true, but still, maze levels suck :( 08:06 And demogorgon isn't that scary if you know its coming 08:06 and in regular slashem you can still petrify him 08:07 (slex makes all demon lords immune to petrification because that strategy is spicy pepperjack cheese in my book) 08:08 FIQHack's balance change there actually should probably be vanilla. Petrification takes quite a few turns to kick and monsters are smart enough to heal their way out of it. 08:08 (aka, no more rubber chickening to victory) 08:09 Since the two most valuable rubber chicken spots are orcus if the RNG hasn't given you a WoD, and astral. 08:10 but aren't ways to cure petrification kinda rare for monsters? they'd have to generate with a potion of acid and refrain from throwing it at you, or randomly get a lizard corpse which also isn't all that common... 08:10 also, even if Orcus does quaff one and heals the petrification... you'll just whack him with the corpse again :P 08:10 LarienTelrunya, eh, true, but the rubber chicken is a double edged sword. Drop in a pit and RIP, plus it rots. 08:11 LarienTelrunya, doesn't help if he'll end the wand in the 7-10 turns it takes for petrification to go. 08:11 yeah, *never* move around while wielding a c corpse in non-slex 08:11 <[Demo]> use ground slam on a basilisk 08:11 Grenades on the other hand still are relatively safe 08:12 I've yet to see a variant nerph them explicately, aside from petrification tweaks. 08:12 slex makes it so that cockatrice eggs will also petrify the player on touch, which caught many a player by surprise ;) 08:13 well, slex changes the eggs so that if you melee with them, they don't always petrify; you must throw them, and there's the chance for it to miss. 08:13 ... so if I pick one up with a gloved hand, I'm toast but if I touch a monster w/ it, they're fine? 08:13 * NCommander notes the violation of common sense :P 08:13 nope, only if you pick one up without gloves you'll turn to stone ;) 08:13 <[Demo]> eat em 08:14 [Demo], I believe its actually possible to eat team c in SLEX due to the delayed instadeath 08:14 ^^ 08:14 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 08:14 in fact, regular cockatrice corpses are good to eat if you can cure the stoning, due to the 50% chance to get +INT 08:14 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:14 It's actually possible to do it in vanilla by being polymorphed into a petrification resistant monster, but I think only team c can eat team c. 08:14 gargoyles ;) 08:14 <[Demo]> xorns 08:15 Oh right. 08:15 <[Demo]> anygolems 08:15 the only thing they do in vanilla when eaten is to give poison resistance though 08:15 Even if a monster doesn't eat, you can still eat if your polyed into a non-eating monster. 08:15 Somewhere, there's an extinctionist that ate 120 cocktrice corpses. 08:15 what always struck me as weird is that in vanilla, a tame xorn or rust monster doesn't get hungry (they do in slex) 08:16 It's likely one of the rare instances where the dev team didn't think of everything. 08:16 also, if the cockatrice bites you, it definitely makes physical contact with you and therefore you should turn to stone :P 08:16 Since in vanilla, hunger only applies if herb/carn/omnivorous. Getting it to work for metalvore is a one line change. 08:17 LarienTelrunya, I can actually logicially justify that one. Cockatrices need to eat so in theory their mouth doesn't petrify things. They're not stone eaters. 08:17 haha, never thought of that :D 08:17 <[Demo]> whats something that loops through all the monsters on the level? 08:17 @v?cockatrice 08:17 cockatrice (c) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 6 | Res: poison petrification | Confers: poison | MR: 30 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Attacks: 1d3 bite physical, 0d0 touch petrification, 0d0 passive petrification | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, oviparous, touch petrifies, infravisible 08:17 yeah, omnivore 08:18 Unless you want to make them a stornavore(?), then they'd starve to death ... if !tame monster starvation was a thing. 08:18 Course then you can get the unused message for eating flintstones to be useful :) 08:19 NCommander: [backscroll] Yeah, the flavor for priests of Moloch giving the player any help (especially Moloch granting divine protection) is weird, but I think current gameplay justifies it. 08:19 And a way to get rid of loadstones 08:19 slex has lithivorous monsters ;) 08:19 Today I learned a new word. 08:19 * LarienTelrunya learned Ancient Greek in school 08:20 * NCommander learned Ancient Geek :) 08:20 -!- hothraxxa has quit [] 08:20 aosdict, honestly, I'd rather make minetown bones exempt rather the valley. It was something that ticked me off to no end on NOA finding a destroyed minetown due to bones. 08:20 hahaha, is that the ability to use diskettes and MS-DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1? ;) 08:20 LarienTelrunya, no, that was my childhood. We wrote out COBOL on stone tablets ;) 08:21 My dad told me about when he used to play the original rogue on a UNIX workstation, and I tracked down PC-Rogue on a BBS when I was 5 or 6 08:21 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 08:21 Some years later, I discovered nethack 2-ish on a school computer and though it was a continuation of rogue's development, and well, that lead to NAO 08:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hothraxxa] by ChanServ 08:22 heh, when I was little I didn't know Rogue existed; my first roguelike was Castle of the Winds, and it wasn't until about 5-6 years ago that I even discovered the term "roguelike" exists! 08:22 hi 08:22 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 08:23 NCommander: neither minetown nor the valley are bones-exempt. 08:23 aosdict, I thought valley was. 08:23 Nope. 08:23 Though to be honest, checking out on the valley is rare. 08:23 K2: apparently nht and lux has crashed games 08:23 * NCommander has seen a few splats there, but endgame bones are really rare. 08:23 sokoban bones are fun, they don't exist in vanilla but they do in slex; sadly they're also very rare on the servers :( 08:24 <[Demo]> oh yeah i've hit some premium valley bones 08:24 NCommander: in any case, the threat of orctown is much higher (1/7) than having someone destroy minetown in bones 08:24 LarienTelrunya, ouch, that could easily leave a puzzle unsolvable though if the previous guy was silly. 08:24 I *like* minetown bones, they're probably my favorite bones level 08:24 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha), 5418 points, T:962, killed by a gnome lord, while frozen by potion vapours 08:24 NCommander: yeah, players might even screw up the puzzles on purpose to annoy the next player ;) 08:24 aosdict, I was talking about 343. I'm still very "eh" on orcish town as far as game balance goes. 08:25 <[Demo]> yeah orctown is makes me sad 08:25 orctown is evil 08:25 Fourk kind of fixes this. You can have either no bones, bones on filler levels only, or bones on most special levels (stuff like the Sanctum and Astral Plane is obviously exempt) 08:25 At least 361 puts candles in Vlad's tower 08:25 My very first ascension, was forced to wish for seven candles 08:26 the problem is you can't specify specific special levels you don't want 08:26 That ticked me off to no end. 08:26 NCommander, FIQ: the weird thing is that paxed is strongly opposed to any sort of orctown improvement, and ais523 would rather Vlad not have candles. 08:27 aosdict, that could make a wishless ascension nearly impossible short of excessive polypiling. Candles come up fairly rarely. 08:27 <[Demo]> i totally see where the vlad candle thing is coming from 08:27 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Amy suddenly grows wings and a propeller and flies away!] 08:27 <[Demo]> thats what izchak is for ncommander 08:28 [Demo], doesn't help if your minetown bones had jack shit in it 08:28 i think vlad having candles is silly 08:28 I also dislike orctown 08:28 to the poit where seeing orctown makes me #quit 08:28 <[Demo]> add it to fiq 08:28 <[Demo]> but the player can also be orctown 08:28 NCommander: in 3.6, gnomes carry candles fairly often 08:29 aosdict, that helps a lot. The 7 candles wish was a 343 ascension with a murdered minetown, and I didn't find the candles in the bones pile. Possibly used up. 08:29 * NCommander had five when I found the VS, and that was extensively searching the entire map 08:30 paxed mostly tends to mock me whenever I mention it though 08:30 "wah wah boohoo orctown bad" 08:30 FIQ: It's not *great* to have the candles and Candelabrum in the same place, but it does make flavor sense, and it's sure a lot better than punishing a player who forgot candles by making them trek all the way back up to the Mines 08:30 I much rather there be a set of candles that's going to be there no matter what on a no bones level 08:30 Put it with the wand of wishing for all I care. 08:30 Maybe there should just be more candles in the game in general. I had a "sconce" idea about that. 08:31 aosdict, 361 has that (finally), also makes the mines less scary since you'll usually end up with an excess of candles. 08:31 make gehennom generate a bunch of candles 08:31 as part of general loot 08:32 gives players a backup light source too 08:32 <[Demo]> i like what slashem does with light sources 08:32 <[Demo]> magic candle 08:32 <[Demo]> wish more variants did that 08:32 [Demo], you can wish for a magic lamp in a lot of variants, including FIQHack. I didn't do it on my ascension but I was running with clarvoyance, dig, and alt level mapping 08:32 * NCommander can blaze through the endgame fairly fast. 08:32 a magic candle is just a magic lamp that can't give a djinni 08:33 seems silly 08:33 [Demo], FIQHack also makes the light spell fracking useful if you're leveled up in the family 08:33 you can maintain it 08:34 Since it can be maintained. The wand can also light an entire level in a single go if you're high even skilled if I remember my source dive 08:34 ... ninja'd 08:34 correct 08:34 master zaps 08:34 do that 08:34 secret door detection works similar 08:34 wands of light tend to be very useful in FIQHack since they're great fodder for leveling up wand skill 08:34 alternative means of trap detection 08:35 I always forget secret door detection can find traps 08:35 I usually carry one to the sanctum and that's it 08:35 master sdd finds traps on the entire level 08:35 Wand skills are a very nice change. Just annoying to level up unless you're a tourist or can cast charging. 08:35 I made the blessed scroll of light light up the entire level. Now they actually have a purpose! 08:35 <[Demo]> oh yeah light maitenance 08:36 <[Demo]> thats just great yeah forgot about that 08:36 <[Demo]> more variants need that 08:36 spell maintence makes protection non-annoying, and most of the other support spells useful. Detect monsters can be perma-telepathy, and quite a few others. 08:36 <[Demo]> it might be a little strong 08:36 <[Demo]> im not really sure but i like it 08:37 protection might be op with it 08:37 it is in vanilla too 08:37 My only real annoyance with it is it doesn't level up the spell family. 08:37 just far too annoying to cast to be useful 08:37 Well that's the problem with most of the utility spells. They're useful but irritating. 08:38 Detect treasure is the only one that is basically a oneshot that you don't need to bother with. 08:38 (excluding magic mapping here) 08:38 <[Demo]> magic mapping? 08:38 <[Demo]> yeah 08:38 <[Demo]> identify maitenance 😛 08:38 <[Demo]> every time you pick up an unidentified item it goes off 08:38 Dig is stupidly high level in vanilla to the point most roles don't have a chance to cast it even semi-reliably. 08:39 it's level 2 in fh 08:39 Hence "in vanilla", where it's five 08:39 mhm yes 08:39 I don't think I've ever seen a caveman cast it despite the special skill bonus 08:39 Invisibility is borderline useless 08:39 Restore ability is a joke and stupidly high level except in variants that nerf the unihorn 08:40 detect treasure and magic mapping, aka "let's obsolete two consumable resources" 08:40 Magic mapping scrolls for me usually only get used for the lower mines in the early game, and then I stop caring. I might use some for looking for vlad but it's really situational 08:42 Gold detection is better blanked except on the planes since object detection potions are common, easy to identify (nymph corpse), and work just as well as finding vaults. 08:43 The largest problem is that past the early game, the magic marker is by far the most ridiciously useful wish. 08:47 A piece of armor or an artifact, especially if it covers some hole in your defenses, is usually better than a marker. 08:49 aosdict, early game, sure, I won't dispute that, but you can send in dragons for DSM with a marker. 08:50 That leaves only a handful of things. Cloaks usually aren't THAT special and they're not that rare. Protection, MR, displacement are all valid choices and a decent chance of finding it pre-castle 08:52 aosdict: "Kicking down doors exercises Dex and not Str." this is already the case 08:57 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:05 -!- rumflump has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:11 er, should be the other way around 09:11 fixed 09:23 [hdf-us] [nd] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:15239 09:33 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:45 <[Demo]> goddamit very big dnh explosions dont redraw the screen right 09:49 [hdf-us] [dyn] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 5762 points, T:8327, killed by a jaguar 10:10 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:19 <[Demo]> wonder how cruel it would be to give the whispers faction flying and wallwalking... could do that instead of AC boost or whatever 10:24 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 108162 points, T:31727, killed by a gray dragon 10:31 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 517 points, T:1207, killed by a cave spider 10:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:44 [hdf-us] [4k] me'jeff (Ssach) (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 6873 points, T:2060, killed by a dwarf lord 10:50 [hdf-us] [4k] psche (Ssach) (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1440 points, T:745, killed by a force bolt 10:53 [hdf-us] [4k] Slowboy (Ssach) (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1011 points, T:532, killed by a small mimic 10:54 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 3412 points, T:2568, killed by a black unicorn 11:11 -!- DrakeMarshall has joined #hardfought 11:14 -!- DrakeMarshall has quit [Client Quit] 11:47 [hdf-us] [nd] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:15473 11:47 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:49 wow I introduced a bug 11:49 <[Demo]> wow 11:49 "You immerse your finger in the cream pie. You can't see through all the sticky goop on your finger." 11:55 why are you sticking your fingers in a creampie? 11:55 I messed up body parts 11:56 so apparently I have eyeballs on my fingers 12:00 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Cav Hum Mal Law) wished for "72 blessed +2 silver arrows", on T:29539 12:01 <[Demo]> uh 12:01 <[Demo]> that sounds like a dnh mother bind 12:05 looks like Delraven is also trying to be first to asc a caveman human in unnethack 12:05 gonna have to wrap up my game 12:06 i'm quite a bit father along but if i dont set aside some time soon... 12:07 <[Demo]> k2 is the hdf-us server running a hypervisor? 12:08 no 12:08 its bare metal 12:08 <[Demo]> trying to figure out how the hell esxi licensing works 12:16 hi K2 12:16 K2: nht's game crashed on creation and now he can't load any games, also luxidream's game crashed 12:16 ok 12:19 ttyrec said "saved games*** Error in `/fiqhackdir/fiqhack': free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x00000000021fcff0 ***" 12:20 and some Backtrace lines 12:21 guess the saved games bit is from game loading menu, it starts printing from there 12:22 [hdf-us] [nd] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17389 12:23 nht: eu server correct? 12:24 right 12:25 is it the game you started back on dec 28th? 12:25 or this new one 12:25 the game started today 12:25 K2: I don't think you need to give me nht's save. Look at the newest save 12:25 ok 12:25 As in 12:25 Read it 12:25 See if it is more than 3 lines 12:25 If not, it's deaed 12:25 *dead 12:26 its more than 3 lines 12:26 the dec 28th one is an undeletable dead save 12:26 Ah, ok 12:26 nht: There is a reason for that 12:26 Newer FIQHack versions don't resolve that save as a death 12:26 Meaning if I allowed you to try firing it up 12:27 it would unquit and let you continue 12:27 7 lines for newer one 12:27 K2: ok, so the game did go through init 12:27 give me it then I suppose 12:27 did gnomish wizards' have their force bolt damage reduced? 12:28 nht: No, he doesn't actually decide to use force bolt 12:28 because RNG 12:28 sometimes you meet a wizard who will spam it every turn 12:28 perhaps that's just variance 12:29 nht: I have that save here btw. So I could try investigate what version gets that save killed 12:29 see pm FIQ 12:29 hah one sec 12:29 ok now 12:34 pushed a fix for nht's game 12:34 may also fix Luxidream's, not sure 12:37 -!- oh6_ has joined #hardfought 12:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6_] by ChanServ 12:38 K2: " 12:38 ok 12:39 nht: see if you can load that game now 12:39 if it works i'll update hdf-us also 12:40 nht: It depends on spell list, power, etc 12:40 Pw for monsters are generated starting from 0pw at level 0, then giving pw like how pw is given to the player, up to their actual level 12:42 and spells are assigned based on their spell skills 12:42 but if you have basic or more in attack spells, you're guranteed force bolt 12:43 as a fallback to ensure that casters which use magic as primary means of attack are guranteed to have an attack spell 12:43 K2: it loads fine, thanks! 12:44 \o/ 12:44 FIQhack updated (us and eu) 12:44 brb 12:45 it makes spellcasting monsters one of the tough early enemies now 12:46 at least they're not as fast as team ant 12:47 story checks out 12:47 heh 12:47 nht: is this a problem? 12:47 because IMO it isn't 12:48 also, earlygame casters is the only monster in the game besides dragons to deliberately move to line themselves up with you 12:48 they used to be pushovers before, even with the changed spellcasting mechanics (allthough not as much as in vanilla) 12:50 it's not a problem, casters should be threatening in my opinion 12:51 (this distinction was made because earlygame casters has *no melee attacks at all*, and not making them use this AI behaviour would make them pursue you in melee to do... nothing) 12:53 I do tend to skip killing gnomish wizards in vanilla speedruns as they are harmless 12:55 [hdf-us] [fh] your mum LMAO fucking rekt (Luxidream) (Pri Orc Fem Cha), 274232 points, T:37571, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/fiqhack/dumplog/2018-01-09%2017%3A55%3A54%2C%20your%20mum%20LMAO%20fucking%20rekt-Pri-Orc-Fem-Cha%2C%20ascended.txt 12:56 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:58 [hdf-us] [nd] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:18301 13:02 hm, I'm an elf and my strength went up to 18/02 13:02 in 361dev 13:02 that's new 13:02 <[Demo]> strong elf 13:03 yeah 13:03 they used to be capped at 18 13:03 <[Demo]> thats why i dont like elf 13:03 same here 13:03 bug? 13:03 dunno... 13:04 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 13:04 wait 13:05 this might have something to do with it: 13:05 q - a blessed +3 ring of gain strength (on right hand) 13:05 lol 13:05 forgot I was wearing that 13:05 Ah ha 13:05 so my 2 gain ability potions have pushed me to base strength 17, and the ring does the rest 13:06 and there was me thinking they'd buffed up the elves... 13:06 I've been going for gauntlets of power as standard armour when playing elves lately 13:07 yeah, once you're high enough level you can probably get away with it for casting 13:12 in FIQHack, 18/foo doesn't exist anymore 13:16 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 24352 points, T:12859, killed by a Grey-elf, while sleeping 13:28 -!- DrakeMarshall has joined #hardfought 13:38 [hdf-us] [fh] truckhack_ chicken simulator (Luxidream) (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 50592 points, T:7915, killed by a hill orc, while sleeping 13:44 -!- oh6_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:56 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 13:57 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:57 -!- Chris__ANG is now known as Chris_ANG 13:59 !tell K2 pushed a fix that fixes an UI quirk with boomerangs 13:59 Will do, FIQ! 14:00 FIQhack updated (us and eu) 14:00 K2: Message from FIQ at 2018-01-09 13:59 EST: pushed a fix that fixes an UI quirk with boomerangs 14:00 K2: congrats! you have reached 200 FIQhack updateds! 14:00 \o/ 14:02 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:03 [hdf-us] [un] k2 (Cav Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:41838 14:03 yay 14:05 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 14:08 [hdf-us] [sp] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 843 points, T:1786, killed by a jackal 14:11 The voice of Anhur booms out: "Use my gift wisely!" 14:11 t - a fireproof quarterstaff of reflection. 14:11 *facepalm* 14:12 dynahack? 14:13 yeah. wanted magicbane of course 14:14 Could be worse. You coulda got ogresmasher. 14:14 jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2018-01-09 04:14 EST: https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/7ox4eq/setting_the_bar_even_higher/dserrci/ (EPI :D) 14:15 I think LarienTelrunya secretly doesn't want anyone besides her to win 14:15 Ah, she's ranting about the Elder Priest on reddit now. And sending me links, apparently. 14:15 [hdf-us] [nd] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:21686 14:15 did you read the main body of the post though 14:15 Not in its entirety. 14:15 I'm willing to read long essays by people who write well and think clearly, e.g., ais523. 14:15 Oh I just skimmed it as well, that was plenty. 14:15 But something that lengthy from her gets a "tldr" from me. 14:16 It's about the version of the elder priest I added to slex, which is a lot more difficult and unfair than the one in dnethack. 14:16 Ah, even better. 14:19 all I can say is 14:19 you have no right to complain on dnethack's elder priest 14:21 LarienTelrunya: " amy this is vile" "amy replying at length on proving that it's not only vile but worse" 14:21 <[Demo]> heh 14:22 LarienTelrunya: you must be real fun at sadomasochistic parties :-} 14:22 :D 14:23 yeah, I guess part of why slex is so difficult and unfair is that I'm a tad sadistic 14:23