00:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 02:21 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:21 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 02:23 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:4995 02:46 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 6167 points, T:6527, killed by an arrow 02:49 -!- Zalman{-} has left #hardfought 02:56 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:04 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 03:05 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 03:24 skipped over a crash after dying there 03:25 save is still on the server 03:25 "Error: obj->to_be_hit was set in neutral turnstate?" 03:25 "Location: libnethack/src/mkobj.c:1940" 03:26 "Game ID: nht_1514448649" 03:30 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 03:36 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:38830 04:21 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:47 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 05:11 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:16 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:43 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:10 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:27 !tell K2 can I get nht's save? 07:27 Will do, FIQ! 07:34 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 07:34 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [Client Quit] 07:43 -!- zxkuqyb has joined #hardfought 08:05 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:11 yeah give me a few FIQ 08:20 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 08:39 -!- Announcy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:40 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:45 Tariru is about to beat Adeon's streak on nao atm for anyone interested 08:46 entering the planes momentarily unless he decides to leave 08:47 * elenmirie tunes in to the historic broadcast 08:49 lol, somebody sent him mail 08:49 kerio did 08:49 probably penis mail knowing him 08:50 heh 08:50 watching 08:54 so this is his 30th game? 08:54 yes 08:54 well 08:54 in the streak 08:55 not overall :P 08:55 isn't plane of water fun 08:55 I mean, yeah 08:55 I feel like I got like with planes both times I've been there 08:56 gawd he's having a bad time with water 08:57 heh 08:57 finally! 08:57 not anymore... 08:57 woo! 08:59 14 ppl watching him heh 09:00 the nethack world is transfixed! 09:00 nice! 09:00 first try 09:01 victory! 09:01 weeee 09:01 history in the making 09:01 "You hear Adeon's distant sobbing." 09:03 https://scoreboard.xd.cm/streaks.all.html 09:04 averaging just over 30K turns per game 09:05 360 is a harder accomplishment than 343 09:06 I wish people who play so well would also stream the game with commentary 09:07 TED talks 09:07 zxkuqyb: I suggested greqrg (mosty lurks RLdiscord, there's a gateway at ##nethack-discord ) to give commentary over one of Tariru's ttyrecs 09:07 since he has considered doing that in general 09:08 give ttyrec commentary for people that is 09:08 my games shouldn't be commented 09:08 that would be cool and much appreciated 09:08 they are not a good example for good play 09:08 cause its sometimes hard to understand what great players do from watching 09:08 stenno: lol 09:09 its really reckless but it usually works out 09:11 sounds like me 09:21 FIQ: nht plays on EU server correct? 09:23 K2-work: yes 09:23 ok 09:23 one moment 09:26 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 09:27 see pm FIQ 09:34 [hdf-us] [nd] firemonkey (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 8613 points, T:5179, killed by an invisible stalker 09:36 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 10:08 found a major exploit in NH4 10:08 "oops" 10:08 [hdf-us] [nd] firemonkey (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 2566 points, T:2696, killed by a dwarf 10:10 <[Demo]> nice 10:11 allows you to ID anything for fre 10:11 e 10:11 <[Demo]> oh neat 10:11 FIQ, how's that? 10:12 <[Demo]> what new sources of id did nh4 even ad, none? 10:12 <[Demo]> must be related to scroll of identify rework 10:12 only works on N4O and all versions of fiqhack (because it ported N4O's way of dealing with one thing) 10:12 possibly also 4k if it ported it 10:12 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 10:12 -!- bouquet has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:12 [Demo]: no, it theoretically exist in all NH4 versions + derivatives 10:12 just the buggy codepath is only accessible in N4O + fiqhack anything 10:13 <[Demo]> must be menu related then 10:13 If it's the recent replaymode stuff in fh, I haven't got there yet, was waiting for you to stop finding bugs in it, and then was going to decide whether to wait for rebase or not. 10:13 FIQ, so what's the exploit? 10:13 jonadab: unrelated 10:13 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 10:13 I found it while tinkering with nht's game 10:14 the issue is actually worse than it sounds like, but people can only realibly use it for free ID 10:14 <[Demo]> oh wow 10:14 <[Demo]> I see 10:14 it involves unquitting 10:14 <[Demo]> so it has nothing to do with scrolls 10:14 <[Demo]> yeah 10:14 <[Demo]> bet it involves saving and reloading? 10:14 interrupting wwhile qquitting? 10:15 which apparently is something anyone can do 100% realibly 10:15 because ais523 is silly 10:15 <[Demo]> unquitting is when you type quit and say no? 10:15 stenno: yes 10:15 <[Demo]> hm 10:15 <[Demo]> i see 10:15 [Demo]: not quite 10:15 basically 10:15 <[Demo]> so you quit, look at your shit, and hang it 10:15 if you quit 10:15 and it does write a dumplog before 10:15 then ctrl+c 10:15 press a to engage replaymode 10:15 then S 10:16 te game will get confused and error 10:16 and effectively unquit the game 10:16 combine this with DYWYPI 10:16 and you get free ID 10:16 also free enlightenment i guess 10:16 is this a hall of fame bug? 10:16 after you already disclosed your stuff 10:16 stenno: right, assuming you can still unquit at that point 10:16 and exact luck and alignment values 10:16 I forgot the order of thingds 10:16 *things 10:16 ah fair 10:16 no 10:17 you can't get the dumplog 10:17 at that point it is "too late" 10:17 but while you are ind dywypi 10:17 you can do it 10:17 *in 10:17 isn't that 'you wanna see your attributes' 10:17 stenno: but it doesn't tell exact luck or alignment 10:17 oh that probably doesn't give the exact number tho 10:17 outside the dumplog 10:17 right 10:17 aosdict: yes 10:18 anyway, there is a caveat 10:18 <[Demo]> ok neat 10:18 <[Demo]> it works 10:18 for this to work 10:18 the player must be able to go in "recoverquit" mode 10:18 I don't think nethack4 allows this outsid nethack4.org 10:18 *outside 10:18 <[Demo]> well i just got it to work on hdf 10:18 but fiqhack does in any public server 10:18 <[Demo]> ah 10:19 because I allowed people to resolve games in limbo 10:19 figuring that dgl only allows a single process for you at a time 10:19 makes sense for a beta release probably 10:19 meaning there wasn't any issues as a result 10:19 [hdf-us] [nh4] tizakit (Sam Hum Mal Law), 41115 points, T:5280, killed by the wrath of Raijin 10:19 I never realized how buggy recoverquit was 10:19 :p 10:19 not beta but like testing release 10:20 stenno: recoverquit itself isn't a terrible idea 10:20 but there is no reason that it should allow you to unquit 10:20 that is really dumb 10:20 whats with that replay stuff 10:20 its such a strange mechanic 10:20 replay is unrelated 10:20 thats even from nitrohack iirc 10:20 <[Demo]> dammit not working on fourk 10:21 it is just the easiest way to trigger it 10:21 [Demo]: gz, now you have a game in limbo in 4k 10:21 nitroahck replays and saves were so crappy lol 10:21 ah 10:21 that needs manual intervention to resolve 10:21 whats 'recoverquit' then actually 10:21 i don't really get it 10:21 aosdict: Yes, after this bug is fixed, it will be a strong contender for hall of fame. 10:21 that is why I made recoverquit trigger on hdf :P 10:21 stenno: the idea is 10:22 if the game didn't finish the quit process 10:22 redo it again 10:22 'hall of fame' like the artifact naming bug? 10:22 but if you quit manually 10:22 <[Demo]> do we have a formal hall of fame? 10:22 ah 10:22 the game doesn't realize why the game ended 10:22 <[Demo]> that would ne neat 10:22 and gets confused 10:22 and unquits as a result 10:22 so its basically just a cleanup 10:23 it should be just a cleanup 10:23 that artifact naming bug was the most hilarious shit 10:23 <[Demo]> the one that was around forever or something else? 10:24 !!ell K2-work pushed an emergency fix 10:24 !tell K2-work pushed an emergency fix 10:24 Will do, FIQ! 10:24 i don't think it was around too long 10:24 [Demo]: If there's a formal list of hall of fame bugs, I'm not aware of it. 10:24 its not the 'hand slips' thing 10:24 its quite the opposite 10:24 But yes, it would include the generalized-sting bug. 10:24 <[Demo]> oh? 10:24 <[Demo]> what was it? 10:24 generalized sting was the name, right 10:24 lol 10:24 And the one in Fourk where you could get post-Medusa maze-with-Minotaur bones on DL2. 10:24 lmao 10:25 that bug was great 10:25 and the bouncy boulder one 10:25 <[Demo]> what were they? 10:25 also starting at AC:0 10:25 stenno: Yes, in NH4 you could #name any artifact for a while. 10:25 <[Demo]> ah 10:25 So a Tourist could get the PYEC on like turn 2. 10:25 <[Demo]> thats pretty great 10:26 priests could get SoM on turn 1 too 10:26 pretty cool 10:26 Knights and Valks could get turn-1 Excalibur. 10:26 means no blessing or erosionproofing though 10:26 True. 10:27 [hdf-us] [nd] firemonkey (Ran Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:1571 10:27 <[Demo]> that would make for a neat slex mode 10:27 acehack-mp had a hilarious conceptual bug with the savegame 10:27 <[Demo]> cause slex has several thousand artifacts or whatever 10:27 stenno: hmm? 10:28 when you saved your game, you were teleported into a 'waiting room' 10:28 the floor above sokoban prize room 10:28 meaning, when you're in a shop picking up items, then saved, you were shoplifting 10:28 right 10:29 nice 10:29 could you eota into sokobsan I wonder 10:29 if you had been into the waiting room only 10:29 *sokoban 10:29 <[Demo]> was the waiting room done intentionally? 10:29 i doubt it 10:29 the waiting room itself, yes 10:30 the consequences of this were probably not considered 10:30 <[Demo]> yeah im not sure how they werent but sounds like a great bug 10:30 silly idea: move rodney there 10:30 s/idea/strat/ 10:31 [hdf-us] [nd] firemonkey (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 2199 points, T:1684, killed by a priest of Venus, while paralyzed by a monster 10:32 found the bouncy boulder on nhqdb https://nhqdb.alt.org/?1910 10:34 another epic bug which is maybe still in 3.6 is that you could insert VT100 control chars in fruitnames and the like 10:34 you could leave pretty hilarious bones 10:34 [checks pile on floor] [suddenly screen is filled with G's] 10:35 lol 10:37 ah 'E' not 'G' 10:37 https://vt100.net/docs/vt510-rm/DECALN.html 10:38 was fixed on NAO but maybe is still in 3.6.0 10:39 3.4.3 NAO that is 10:43 we should really make such a list of silly bugs 10:43 funny and/or gamebreaking 10:47 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:53 -!- bhaak has joined #hardfought 10:53 <[Demo]> Yeah I want an official hall of fame 10:54 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 10:55 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 10:58 [Demo]: start a wiki page, Hall of Fame for NetHack Bugs or the like. 10:58 On nethack.wikia.com 10:58 why the wikia 10:58 * jonadab ducks. 10:58 FIQ: No particular reason. 10:58 <[Demo]> who runs the nethackwiki? 10:58 * FIQ brandishes a wand of fire threatingly at jonadab 10:58 paxed/dtype 10:59 well and a few more admins on the wiki side itself 10:59 but yes on the server side 10:59 <[Demo]> Ok good not some weird person from years ago that is gone now 10:59 No, nethackwiki.com is current. 10:59 <[Demo]> Yeah that one 10:59 The _wikia_ wiki, which I mentioned as a joke, is another thing entirely. 10:59 implying dtype is not a weird person from some years ago 10:59 FIQ: "that is gone now" 11:00 <[Demo]> dtype isn't gone now 11:00 see, dodged that one 11:00 <[Demo]> and that's what matters 11:00 dtype was basically vanished until the server was moved to east coast 11:00 yeah I had a few years of being more obscure 11:00 now he's somehow part of the community 11:00 never *gone*, but paxed was more present during that time 11:00 right 11:00 he was busy shilling amazon in #asc 11:05 hmm 11:05 fh isn't listed on the variants page at all 11:05 FIQ: hey I might have sold aws to K2 11:06 you did 11:06 K2-work: Message from FIQ at 2017-12-28 10:24 EST: pushed an emergency fix 11:06 FIQ: on the wiki? should be easy to fix 11:06 fiqs 11:06 right on the wiki 11:07 I don't like shilling my own variant 11:07 but maybe I should add a bit of info on that page 11:07 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 11:08 that's not shilling. that's your duty as a developer 11:08 <[Demo]> "it's symmetry and then you die 30k turns in" 11:08 you are caught in a fucking explosion 11:09 FIQhack updated (us and eu) 11:09 The bolt of lightning is disrupted by your amulet of reflection! 11:09 boom 11:09 <[Demo]> summon swarmed to death 11:10 FIQ: ask yourself if you would be bothered by Amy doing the same thing 11:10 you hear a soldier wishing for a cloak of protection 11:10 would you be bothered by her adding a slex section to every page where the behavior of something is slightly different? yes. would you be bothered by her listing slex on the list of variants? probably not. 11:10 <[Demo]> anyway fiq do you know how dnh taming works cause I know you've been wanting to nerf charm monster 11:11 *facepalm* 11:13 yes 11:13 I do 11:13 <[Demo]> do that and be cruel 11:13 <[Demo]> make it directional single target 11:13 aosdict: no 11:13 why would I? 11:14 my primary issues with slex isn't the gameplay 11:14 it wouldn't be my approach, but still 11:14 <[Demo]> aosdict that's a good way to judge things 11:14 so if you wouldn't be bothered by her doing something slex-related on the wiki, you shouldn't be apprehensive about doing it yourself, is my point 11:14 my issues is 1: UI screw (and lots and lots of amnesia), 2: hup cheat 11:14 slex itself isn't what I was getting at 11:14 aosdict: oh I thought you were referring to the wand rebalance stuff lol 11:14 just a rule of thumb for writing about your own variant on the wiki 11:15 but yes 11:15 that is precisely why I don't like shilling my variant 11:15 my general policy on fiqhack on the wiki: 11:15 i say again, putting a good description in the wiki is a developer's duty 11:16 unless it is in the FIQHack namespace 11:16 don't add it myself 11:16 however, I can correct what others add 11:16 or add fh info on articles that are already variant-heavy (see: dragons in variants) 11:16 * hothraxxa adds an entry: fiqhack, a variant based on slex but more cruel 11:17 yes, so the list of variants page is variant-heavy. or if the hardfought page failed to mention that it had fiqhack. you should add it to things like that. 11:17 ^^^ 11:19 there added 11:25 nicely done, thank you 11:31 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:35 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:35 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 11:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:36 there's a hardfought page on the wiki? 11:37 no 11:37 didnt think so 11:38 you should mae one 11:38 *make 11:38 was planning on adding one once we hit the one year mark 11:38 then you should have added it over a decade ago 11:39 hardfought hosting nethack one year mark 11:39 :) 11:39 woot! 11:39 not at all nitpicking 11:39 happy anniversary, hardfought! 11:39 elenmirie: you silly 11:39 lol elenmirie not yet :) 11:39 read back 11:39 lol 11:39 oh. 11:39 end of february would make it one year 11:40 in march-ish? 11:40 ah 11:40 * elenmirie goes back to buffing armour 11:40 :P 11:42 lol 11:42 of dnh's last 100 games 11:42 Elvis has 57 of them 11:42 fat elvis or skinny elvis? 11:42 if not for him/her, fh would have bee the most actively played variant atm 11:43 :P 11:43 hothraxxa: not sure 11:43 whichever, i just KNEW he was still alive 11:45 [hdf-us] [nd] firemonkey (Ran Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:2980 11:49 -!- zxkuqyb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:58 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 11:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 12:05 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 12:32 K2-work: hardfought has hosted nethack for less than a year? :O 12:32 yup 12:32 very end of feb is when we went live 12:42 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:43 woot elenmirie 12:43 woooot woot 12:43 :P 12:43 woooooot 12:44 lol 12:44 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 12:49 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 13:02 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:06 [hdf-us] [fh] play.pokemonshowdown.com (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 22617 points, T:1713, drained by a gnomish wizard's spell 13:12 jonadab: look, your favorite game 13:14 Eh, FIQHack's ok. 13:15 doomrl ftw! 13:16 Well, fh was the one mentioned on the line above where he said that. 13:16 So I assumed he was talking about that one. 13:17 jonadab: thed namd 13:17 My opinion on DoomRL is mostly "Wait, they took Doom and made a roguelike out of it? How would *that* work? Doom is _nothing_ like Rogue." 13:17 *the 13:18 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:19 lux' name that is 13:19 Oh, the Pokemon thing? Eh. 13:19 My opinion on Pokemon is mostly "Never really got into that." 13:20 it was sarcasm 13:21 from your reaction to the occasional nh4 pokemon talk 13:21 Until I started hanging out in #nethack4, I was not aware of Pokemon video games beyond "As heavily as that cartoon was product-ized, obviously there would be video games for it." 13:22 I mean, I'm sure there are video games for Dragonballz as well. 13:22 And Bob the Builder. 13:22 And Spongebob. 13:22 But I've never played any of them. 13:23 you know the cartoon was based on the gmes, right 13:23 FIQ: So I'm told, by the NetHack4 people. 13:23 not the other way around 13:23 ahh 13:23 But the cartoon was introduced to the American market first, I'm stone cold certain. 13:23 And was MUCH more popular. 13:24 doubt it 13:24 Every third kid was obsessed with it for like two years. 13:24 The only Pokemon game that I've seen a reference to outside the NetHack community is Pokemon Go, and that came much later. 13:24 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 13:26 Also, just in general, television was much more widely deployed than video games back then. 13:26 jonadab: i take it you haven't played doomrl 13:26 Pretty sure the Pokemon cartoon was, _at the time_ more popular than all video games combined. 13:26 hothraxxa: I have not. 13:27 it's a pretty good synthesis 13:27 The basic premise of Doom is, "if you see movement, shoot at it. 13:29 true 13:29 But sure, I understand that a game inspired by it might differ considerably from the game that inspired it. 13:29 It would have to, to be even vaguely roguelike. 13:29 I mean, nine tenths of the point of doom was "Wooo, 3D" 13:30 (The other one tenth is what made it succeed and inspire so many copy cats, creating the 3Dfps genre, where Wolfenstein 3D hadn't done that.) 13:31 kill me now 13:31 (Because wolf3d was _100%_ "Woo 3D".) 13:31 hothraxxa: Does bfg9000 work via IRC? 13:31 in doomrl? 13:32 Oh, I wasn't talking about DoomRL; I haven't played that, as noted. 13:32 I was just talking about Doom itself. 13:32 i don't understand the question 13:33 YOu said "kill me now", I was asking if I could zap you with a BFG9000 from here. 13:33 ahhh 13:33 heh 13:33 now i get it 13:34 my wife had a kind of pacifist thing going in doom 13:34 And yeah, it _does_ say something about Doom that I never liked it much or played it much but still remember, umpteen years later, the name of its big weapon. 13:34 she felt sorry for the pink thingies and refused to kill any 13:34 Even though it has a number in it, which is practically begging people to forget the name. 13:34 The pink thingies... hmm, were those the weird floating eye things? 13:35 no they were more like minotaurs 13:35 Oh, those. 13:38 -!- K2-work has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39 -!- DrakeMarshall has joined #hardfought 13:40 -!- K2-work has joined #hardfought 14:02 [hdf-us] [nd] firemonkey (Ran Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6824 14:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:51 [hdf-us] [nd] firemonkey (Ran Gno Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Venus, on T:8534 14:53 Mr. Sipalwini, I'd like to return this gift. Looking for something in a magical athame. 14:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:03 m - a potion of gain level named please give me all three this time. 15:07 Slagging living bones 15:07 They're still evil 15:15 [hdf-us] [fh] NCommander (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 33668 points, T:4465, poisoned by a killer bee 15:15 Ugh 15:41 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 15:41 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 15:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 15:43 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 15:45 yay! congratulations! 15:45 the moment I start watching, you ascend :-) 15:45 thanks raisse! 15:45 only 4 Rodney kills! amazing! 15:45 yes 15:45 gz :) 15:45 makes up for the last time 15:45 thanks FIQ! 15:46 I'm on a streak of 2. only 28 to go. :D 15:46 lol my arc is still #2 15:47 next up: gnome ranger? 15:47 you seem to be doing All The Gnomes 15:47 well, I was doing all the roles in alphabetical order 15:47 so knight next 15:47 no gnome :( 15:48 gnomish knight 15:48 that would be cool 15:48 gnome knight should totally be an option 15:48 gnome monk! gnome priest! gnome rogue! 15:48 it's only, they have to be lawful and gnomes are always neutral 15:48 spork has it 15:48 oh right 15:48 hm... 15:49 that would preclude rogues too, but not monks or priests 15:49 there should be some roles that are only allowed to be non-human races 15:49 yes! 15:49 you know, we have like, four, that have to be human 15:49 monk, tourist, knight, samurai 15:49 yes 15:50 tou can be gno in 4 variants 15:50 * raisse would love a gnome tourist 15:50 yes, I played gnome tourist in 4k I think it was 15:50 great stuff 15:50 what I really want is hobbit tourist 15:50 slex sp 4k fh 15:51