00:01 -!- bouquet has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:18 -!- hpardis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:42 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 00:44 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:58 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 01:03 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 01:04 merry christmas! 01:05 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:12 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 01:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:59 Merry Christmas StatueSurfer (and whoever else I didn't reach yesterday) 01:59 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 02:13 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 02:28 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:41 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:24 -!- hpardis has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:50 [hdf-us] [nh] pavelek (Val Hum Fem Cha), 1224 points, T:1526, quit 04:07 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:10 yani: quantum mechanics should run from you if you eat apples, like vampires and garlic 04:10 because an apple a day keeps that pd. d doctor away 04:15 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:15 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:25 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 04:50 er, all I wanted was to uncurse the tinning kit I found on a trap 04:50 the fountain dried up, too! 05:29 woot! 05:30 TIL you can say "grey"... I thought the wish parser only spoke American! :D 05:34 ok, there's the medusa level, and I must have left my scrolls of earth upstairs somewhere. >: 05:34 it's one of those where you have to make some dry land in order to dig 05:45 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:12 elenmirie: the wish parser understands both "aluminum" and "aluminium", too 06:12 though I don't know why you'd want to wish for an alumin(i)um wand 06:13 now I need to find another fountain to uncurse my tinning kit! 06:13 The water glows for a moment. 06:13 excellent 06:16 !who 06:16 FIQ: [hdf-us] Delraven [dyn] 06:16 FIQ: [hdf-eu] Raisse [nd] 06:16 morning 06:19 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 06:20 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 06:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:47 raisse: I think I knew that (about aluminium wands) but as you said, there's a real question about whether you would ever want to do that 06:48 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 06:49 I read the wish parser once but it's impossible to remember everything 06:49 at least, it is for me 06:51 I think I actually read it in grunthack, trying to understand the way the properties were parsed 07:21 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 07:29 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:33 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:06 -!- bobbydurrett has joined #hardfought 08:06 -!- bobbydurrett has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:29 -!- firemonkey has joined #hardfought 08:57 [hdf-us] [nd] firemonkey (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:22122 09:05 go firemonkey! 09:07 whats 'nd'? 09:08 nethack dev version 09:08 i.e. the public vanilla repository 09:09 3.6.1-dev currently. Though I suppose after 3.6.1 releases, nd will be 3.6.2-dev, or 3.7-dev, or something. 09:09 ok 09:09 thanks 09:10 jonadab: our internal branch system for what commits go into what versions is kind-of broken 09:10 so far, though, almost everything we've done is aimed at 3.6.1 09:14 The logical thing to do is to have a trunk, where anything that breaks save compat has to go, a 3.6 branch, which gets things NOT intended for the next point release, and a 3.6.1 branch, which gets things that are. 09:15 And feature branches for experimental stuff. 09:15 (Also, the _names_ of the branches are less important than how they're used.) 09:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:16 Although, you can create the branches as-needed, e.g., if nobody is working on anything that breaks save compat, you can defer creation of the trunk branch until later. 09:17 (Which is unintuitive if you think of the word "trunk" as "everything branches from this", but whatever.) 09:18 When you get close to release, you do a near-freeze on the branch the release will come from, most work going to a branch that will not release until later. 09:18 Unless it's needed for the release, or very low risk. 09:22 <[Demo]2> so i know its kind of dead at this point but i cant figure out the TAS's mechanism to get the amulet from the vibrating square level to level 1 09:22 <[Demo]2> actually maybe i get it? 09:22 <[Demo]2> yeah nevermind figured out what its doing 09:22 [Demo]2: basically we level teleport and /then/ pick up the amulet 09:22 exploiting the fact that level teleports during monster movement are delayed until after the last monster moves 09:23 and you can pick up items via autopickup in the meantime 09:23 ais523: would it be overkill to try to directory-walk for a full userlist for the purpose of viewing other people's games or copy their configs in dgl mode? 09:23 FIQ: I'm not sure how efficient that would be 09:23 if you can do it quickly, probably not 09:24 yes I have no idea how fast that would be on, say, hdf 09:24 I guess I can code it up and test it on server 09:27 -!- zxkuqyb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:28 <[Demo]2> how is the fire plane being traversed? 09:29 [Demo]2: you can actually generate the exit portal almost next to where you enter 09:29 <[Demo]2> thought so 09:29 we thought you needed an expert jump to do it in three actions, futher examination has shown that skilled might be enough 09:29 <[Demo]2> whats a p/t form? 09:29 any form represented by the letter 'p' or 't' 09:29 rock piercer, lurker above, etc. 09:29 there is a glitch related to them thta moves you to the nearest empty square 09:29 even if it's nowhere near where you currently are 09:30 <[Demo]2> doesnt it just kind of give up and teleport you? 09:30 ais523: I saw a fh endgame recently where the portal was like 4 steps away 09:30 <[Demo]2> oh no 09:58 -!- zxkuqyb has joined #hardfought 10:04 -!- laleksic has joined #hardfought 10:05 Hello, can someone help me understand the regex syntax for menucolors (I'm playing dNethack - https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dNAO)? It ignores expressions I found in examples like " blessed|cursed " but accepts them if I escape the '|' (like this " blessed\|cursed "). It doesn't accept " scrolls? " whether I escape the '?' or not. Yet all examples use this. Thanks. 10:20 that's weird, I'm not aware of any regex syntax that doesn't accept ? 10:20 note that different installs of NetHack tend to use different syntaxes because it uses your system libraries to do regexes, not a regex engine of its own 10:21 so this mostly comes down to general regex knowledge 10:21 needing to escape | implies that it's probably using POSIX BRE as the regex syntax, but BRE accepts ? just fine, so I'm not quite sure what's going on here 10:22 actually, hmm, no 10:22 see http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/regex.7.html; that describes an "obsolete syntax" near the bottom of the page which seems to match what you're observing 10:23 try seeing if you can use s\{0,1\} as a substitute for s? 10:23 laleksic: ^ 10:23 if you can, it's probably the obsolete BRE syntax that's being used in this case 10:23 Thanks. I'll check that out. However I am using a new and fairly standard Linux (Ubuntu 16.04). Also, here is the relevant bit from config.h (https://pastebin.com/KUzmyKnV). The define for POSIX regex is commented out. 10:25 hmm, I wonder where it's getting the regex engine from then? it has to be getting it from somewhere 10:25 maybe dnethack is different somehow? 10:25 If you mean " scrolls\{0,1\} " it doesn't register either "scrolls" or "scroll" 10:26 OK, so it's not obsolete BRE tehn 10:26 in that case I'm confused 10:26 Well, I don't know about that. I just cloned dNAO from github and compiled it unmodified 10:26 check to make sure there isn't a mistake somewhere else on the line 10:28 No mistake. However now I notice something even weirder. MENUCOLOR=" scrolls "=red doesnt match "scrolls", but MENUCOLOR=" scroll\|scrolls "=red does... 10:30 -!- puck1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:34 laleksic: oh, I know what's happening 10:34 " scrolls " matches a space, "scrolls", and another space; the line doesn't have a leading space 10:34 whereas " \|scrolls" doesn't require a space before "scrolls" 10:35 have you got the scrolls? No, I always walk like this... 10:37 -!- laleksic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40 -!- laleksic has joined #hardfought 10:40 ais523: Nope, seems its the other way around " \|scrolls" seems to match everything in my inventory (everything that has a space). 10:41 laleksic: right, that matches two things: a) anything with a space, b) anything containing "scrolls" as a substring 10:43 You don't happen to know any way for me to check what regex syntax it's using other than trying various expressions and seeing if they work 10:44 not many syntaxes use \|, so it's probably something PCRE-like but very basic and with a backslash before every metacharacter (except probably *) 10:44 (and []) 10:44 or it could be Emacs regex, I guess? 10:44 that has a kind of random mix of what's escaped and what isn't 10:44 It depends on the included regex.h? Could I just check that? 10:45 you can certainly look at it, search for files named regex.h under /usr/include 10:45 but there's a fairly high chance it won't say 10:46 hmm, I looked at the one on my computer, it's more useful than I thought 10:46 but it defines a large number of different syntaxes without obviously explaining which is being used 10:49 do you know where the menucolor code is in the nethack sources, maybe it defines what syntax to use there 10:51 it doesn't 10:51 -!- laleksic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:52 -!- laleksic has joined #hardfought 10:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:53 Well, thanks for the help. I'll see what I can do, though I may have to give up on menucolors. 11:00 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 11:00 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 11:01 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 11:01 Nothing beats a steak sandwich for leftovers breakfast 11:03 [hdf-us] [dyn] groovejumper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 820142 points, T:77149, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/g/groovejumper/dynahack/dumplog/2017-12-26%2011_02_55%2C%20groovejumper-Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha%2C%20ascended.txt 11:16 -!- laleksic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:26 [hdf-us] [gh] arnibald (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7670 11:37 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:40 It's probably Gnu regex. 11:41 If not POSIX. 11:41 Or might pick up the POSIX ones on some *nix systems even if the _POSIX constant is not #defined, because the system regex library might just _be_ those. 11:41 e.g. on BSDs. 11:41 But on Linux it's probably the Gnu ones. 11:42 Which are probably, I'm guessing, like POSIX but with some extensions. 11:43 <[Demo]2> @d?eye of doom 11:43 eye of doom (e) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 19 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 100 | Generates: gehennom | AC: -9 | Attacks: 1d20 gaze study, 1d7 passive paralyze, 0d0 cast spell | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies, amphibious, infravisible 11:48 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 12:06 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 12:14 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:18 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:42 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 12:54 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 13:02 -!- puck1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:29 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 13:39 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v theRaisse] by ChanServ 13:46 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 13:51 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Elf-Nob Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:42646 14:04 gg, demo 14:04 <[Demo]2> gwyn did it 14:06 wewt 14:07 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:09 <[Demo]2> k2 thanks for having an awesome setup where this game is still alive and still running on the old version months later 14:10 welcome ;) 14:10 just dont die 14:11 fyi, Tangles figured out how to setup dgamelaunch so we could easily have an old version co-exist with new 14:12 <[Demo]2> it doesnt work 100% 14:13 <[Demo]2> if i segfault i cant recover 14:13 <[Demo]2> itll just drop me into a new game on the current version 14:16 right 14:16 dgl looks for a save game in the old folder 14:16 *cough*so much better than nh4 14:16 if there isnt one, it loads a new game in the new folder 14:16 so if you segfault and there's no valid save, it'll act that way 14:16 just need to manually recover 14:17 <[Demo]2> i lost a game to that 14:17 <[Demo]2> sort of intentionally 14:17 <[Demo]2> cause it wasnt a fair game 14:17 cheater 14:18 Status of Schroedinger's Cat (neutral): Level 6 HP 37(37) AC 4, tame. 14:18 taking him with me to the castle 14:18 <[Demo]2> i really wanna ascend this game with gwyn for the dumplog 14:19 K2: or are you? 14:20 ? 14:21 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 14:22 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 14:22 <[Demo]2> goddammit i got dagon 14:23 noooo cat is dead 14:24 <[Demo]2> i swear if the mazewalk didnt generate im gonna not bitch too much more 14:24 <[Demo]2> oh neat it looks like it did 14:24 yay cat not dead just fell down a trap door 14:26 <[Demo]2> i like having unique monster pets 14:26 <[Demo]2> so i can kinda cheat with livelog and know that they arent dead 14:26 <[Demo]2> or that they are 14:26 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Elf-Nob Elf Fem Cha) killed Dagon, on T:43556 14:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Elf-Nob Elf Fem Cha) killed Glasya, on T:43787 14:49 <[Demo]2> its looking very bad 14:50 :/ 14:50 !whereis k2 14:50 K2: [hdf-us] k2 [sp]: (Hea Elf Fem Neu) T:25002 The Dungeons of Doom level: 27 14:50 aww 14:50 doesnt say medusa level 14:50 * K2 shrugs 14:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Elf-Nob Elf Fem Cha) killed Daemon, on T:44379 14:51 <[Demo]2> welp 14:51 <[Demo]2> i hit the 1/5 chance of being fucked 14:52 <[Demo]2> ive never done that 14:52 <[Demo]2> i have to fight asmo 14:52 <[Demo]2> oh wait i can just bribe him 14:52 <[Demo]2> duh 14:59 <[Demo]2> "k - a large silver runed curved sword" we got a long name magoo 15:00 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Elf-Nob Elf Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed +3 fixed orange dragon scale shield", on T:45411 15:25 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 15:26 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 15:29 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4346 15:32 . 15:32 LarienTelrunya: Message from K2 at 2017-12-25 08:48 EST: no core dump exists to check 15:35 <[Demo]2> hmm cant get water stack of the same buc to merge 15:36 <[Demo]2> this is weird 15:36 hmm 15:36 I see 15:36 This is weird 15:37 <[Demo]2> oh well that one potion just insists on being special 15:37 Wait. You can dip stack of water into 1 holywater to get more holywater?............... 15:37 So easy?............. 15:39 <[Demo]2> yeah 15:40 uh oh 15:41 2 ascensions without knowing this... That makes game alot easier. You even can be atheist whole game! 15:41 What about cursed water? Same? 15:43 <[Demo]2> yes 15:46 [Demo]2: playing dnh? 15:48 if so that would explain it 15:49 <[Demo]2> yes but what 15:49 several potential reasons 15:50 1: one is stolen, one isn't 15:50 2: different spe -- some monsters get +3 on their items, inclding items which doesn't actually have a concept of enchantment/charges 15:50 3: different sizes 15:50 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:51 <[Demo]2> ah 15:51 <[Demo]2> surprised i havent seen this happen before 15:51 one thing worth knowing is that if you have a bunch of scrolls that is too stubborn to stack 15:51 it's probably warding 15:51 otherwise it is just an annoyance 15:52 <[Demo]2> well not warding 15:52 <[Demo]2> thats its own scroll 15:52 er 15:52 meant "ward" 15:52 <[Demo]2> scroll of a set of lockpicks 15:52 <[Demo]2> thats what im calling it 15:52 :D 15:53 -!- Tarmunora has joined #hardfought 15:56 elenmirie: it is not nice to genocide friends 15:56 you are an evil person 15:56 bwahahaha 15:56 poor dwarvesh 15:56 *dwarves 15:57 genociding mind flayers makes it harder to increase the INT stat, which is why I normally don't do it 15:57 dwarvses always think they are so superior 15:57 not so smart now, are they? 15:58 -!- puck1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0-dev] 15:58 I'm a cave gnome. I bash things. 15:59 I know some spells! But they never work. So I just bash things. 15:59 LarienTelrunya: I always just alchemize for blessed gain ability, increase all my stats at once, midgame. 15:59 hmm 16:00 So I have maxed out every stat I care about (possibly except Str) before I see flayers, generally. Barring minesflayers and such. 16:00 hmm, I usually alchemize for full healing for the bonus to max HP 16:00 Oh, I do that too. 16:00 I am kinda tempted to make a ttyrec-style record format for curses for the purpose of watchmode 16:00 but that would be overkill 16:00 But it only takes six or eight of the potions to max out the attributes. 16:01 FIQ: If we make a new ttyrec-alike format, it should have explicit support for A) terminal resize, B) mouse pointer, if mouse is in use, C) an audio track that can be added, to allow commentary. 16:02 And should assume terminals are modern and can probably do 24-bit color. 16:02 jonadab: this was mostly intended to be dgl watchmode++ 16:02 <[Demo]2> well 16:02 <[Demo]2> im in a really stupid spot 16:02 kinda like what I already have for fiqhack 16:02 atm 16:02 FIQ: Ah. 16:02 FIQ: So not so much ttyrec, as NH4 save format? 16:03 not a save format as much as a record format 16:03 FIQ: Go ahead and backport 4.3 saves to 3.4.3 16:03 That would be useful. 16:03 closer to ttyrec 16:03 but not a "raw" ttyrec 16:03 <[Demo]2> so i accidentally blasted the last priest in the game after losing protection to a gremlin 16:03 ttyrec doesn't get you stuff like the ability to check inventory in watch mode though. 16:03 <[Demo]2> but then it turns out theres a stealth priest 16:04 jonadab: right, but I don't intend to go full NH4-replay/watch 16:04 it would be overkill just for enhanced watching 16:05 Eh, it'd be a better use of developer time than grammartree. 16:05 Not as good as xhity merge, tho. 16:05 allthough I guess there's no reason to preclude replaymode if I did make such a thing.. but meh 16:06 *exclude 16:12 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 16:12 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 16:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Elf-Nob Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47159 16:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Elf-Nob Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:47200 16:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Elf-Nob Elf Fem Cha) killed the elder priestess of Moloch, on T:47529 16:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Elf-Nob Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:48528 16:48 [hdf-us] [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) averted death, on T:49988 16:50 <[Demo]2> who wants to watch me blow a run? ๐Ÿ˜› 16:54 [hdf-us] [nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law), 829698 points, T:49988, killed by brainlessness, while helpless 16:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Elysium (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 508 points, T:591, killed by a gnome lord 16:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Elf-Nob Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Death, on T:48701 16:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Elf-Nob Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Varda Elentari, on T:48722 16:59 <[Demo]2> https://i.imgur.com/JSDkGBr.png this looks so weird 17:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Elf-Nob Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Pestilence, on T:48731 17:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Nob Elf Fem Cha), 3481532 points, T:48732, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Demo/dnethack/dumplog/1500315845.dnh.txt 17:02 congrats Demo! 17:03 <[Demo]2> now k2 can probably delete that old version of dnh! ๐Ÿ˜„ 17:04 I'm wondering... do hdf-eu games also get counted for the top scores list? I'm still waiting for my last game to show up there, it would be #33 and thus not bad at all... 17:05 <[Demo]2> gotta love that discontinous astral map 17:06 you can teleport on dnh's astral? 17:07 [hdf-us] [nd] firemonkey (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "a blessed fixed greased +3 cloak of protection", on T:23114 17:08 [hdf-us] [nd] firemonkey (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "a blessed magic marker", on T:23121 17:08 <[Demo]2> barely 17:09 <[Demo]2> theres a spirit ability that allows for teleporting to doorways but its not blocked on astral on that version and allows for teleporting to unknown doorways on that version 17:10 [hdf-us] [nd] firemonkey (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "an uncursed magic marker", on T:23140 17:10 !tell K2 are hdf-eu slex scores eligible for the top scores list? I died 15 minutes ago and it's still not on the list, do I just have to wait a little longer? 17:10 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 17:10 <[Demo]2> also the pet i ascended with is unimplemented in that version and a unique monster that should never generate but its energy form was missing MG_UNIQ so i took advantage of it 17:10 <[Demo]2> good strong pet very nice for endgame especially since my dmg output was shitty 17:10 [Demo]2: ah, I guess Chris fixed those things in the new version? 17:10 @le?Gwynharwyf 17:10 Gwynharwyf (A) | Lvl: 63 | Diff: 74 | Spd: 24 | Res: fire cold sleep disintegrate shock poison petrification | Confers: sleep | MR: 30 | Generates: unique | AC: -7 | Attacks: 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical | Alignment: -20 | Flags: omnivore, flies, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravisible 17:11 huh, that angel has only physical attacks?! 17:11 <[Demo]2> yeah 17:11 <[Demo]2> give her a strong weapon 17:11 <[Demo]2> and speed 17:11 <[Demo]2> and she kicks ass 17:11 <[Demo]2> (and dnh has a lot of strong weapons) 17:12 what about her HP? she doesn't have intrinsic regeneration, so I guess you have to carefully monitor her health and use healing spells on her? 17:12 LarienTelrunya the hdf scoreboard doesnt track the EU server. yet 17:12 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-12-26 17:10 EST: are hdf-eu slex scores eligible for the top scores list? I died 15 minutes ago and it's still not on the list, do I just have to wait a little longer? 17:12 K2: ah, I see. 17:12 Mandevil's NHS does however - except he doesnt include slex. oops 17:12 :D 17:13 yeah I havent gotten around to including the EU server yet 17:13 its on the list 17:15 how was your xmas? 17:17 -!- [Demo]2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18 -!- [Demo] has joined #hardfought 17:18 uhh, well, it would have been better if I weren't sick since 17th, but I'm slowly recovering and got a bunch of nice presents: trousers, socks, even some shoes, and also sweets and noodles and stuff :) 17:18 <[Demo]> her hp is huge 17:18 how was yours? 17:19 <[Demo]> and her ac is low as hell cause I armored her with crystal shit 17:20 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 17:20 -!- weber.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ยค Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org or nethack@eu.hardfought.org ยค Merry Christmas!! 17:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 17:20 -!- [Demo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20 -!- [Demo] has joined #hardfought 17:22 <[Demo]> Ok time to take down sever, got irc forwarder running on a laptop now, not sure if it's working 17:22 was good. kid had a great xmas, that's all that matters 17:22 did she get a *bundlebundlebundle* for xmas? :) 17:23 [hdf-us] [slex] k2 (Bul Anc Mal Cha), 84 points, T:378, killed by a monster (redguard) 17:23 hah no 17:24 she did get a makeup kit tho 17:24 so beholder is set to send slex games to ro-bot 17:24 both servers 17:24 hmm, but ro-bot apparently doesn't know what to do with it?! 17:24 ro-bot isnt reporting them 17:26 * K2 shrugs 17:26 well I messaged Elronnd, maybe he can figure out what's going on 17:26 maybe he doesnt care anymore 17:34 [hdf-us] [nd] firemonkey (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:23251 17:34 [hdf-us] [nd] firemonkey (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:23251 17:35 if you guys aren't going to remove amnesia from the game, I just have to do it myself 17:37 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Amy is consumed by the contamination!] 17:37 firemonkey, amnesia fairly nerfed in FIQHack 17:38 oh good 17:38 !asc 17:38 firemonkey: firemonkey has ascended 4 times in 120 games (3.33%): nh:1 (7.69%), nd:2 (2.67%), fh:1 (8.33%) 17:38 firemonkey, it deletes the formal identification, but leaves the items named. The biggest effect of it is you can't wish for something you haven't ided 17:38 thats strange 17:38 uh you can 17:38 but you can't write it 17:38 FIQ, sorry, that's what I meant, not wish 17:38 oh of course 17:38 more than any other unknown scroll 17:38 etc 17:38 * NCommander is still recovering from the afterchristmas hangover 17:39 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 17:39 but you can write the label 17:39 no 17:39 damn 17:39 need to formally ID it 17:39 FIQ, did you delete it removing maps, or not? I can't remember when this discussion came up and I died not long after. 17:40 * NCommander did note it didn't remove spells fromt he menu 17:40 nh4 did yes 17:40 thats good 17:40 nh4 is where the amnesia nerfs originate 17:40 fiqhack is a NH4 base, right? 17:40 yes 17:40 * firemonkey says after ascending a game, but that was in junethack 17:41 amnesia on the whole is just an example of poor game mechanics, at least as a monster attack 17:41 Scroll of amensia at the very least "you should have known better" applies. 17:42 gotcha mechanics 17:42 It also has one minor use in vanilla, you can use a spellbook without it poofing if you don't have it in the menu period 17:43 (in vanilla. FIQHack changes how spellbooks work, probably for the better on the whole) 17:43 <[Demo]> I like potions of amnesia 17:43 I agree there 17:43 [hdf-us] [nd] firemonkey (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "a blessed magic marker", on T:23255 17:43 firemonkey, on potion of amnesia or spellbook reworking? 17:43 spellbook work 17:43 I hate amnesia 17:44 The old mechanic was nice since you could get an easy to use source of confusion usually by time it would be relevant 17:44 Since there are a ton of spells that are meh at best 17:45 Spell maintence makes light actually fracking useful, and protection considerably less annoying 17:45 i use cursed confuse monster for speedruns 17:45 firemonkey, my last ascension used a cursed unihorn, but I got lucky and broke plane of air. 17:45 still need to look into that 17:45 not home atm 17:46 how do you break air? 17:46 "the air shatters into a million pieces!" 17:47 firemonkey, I don't know what happened for sure, but the entire plane stopped moving 17:47 At all 17:47 cool 17:47 The monsters would attack if I passed their hex but won't move to chase 17:47 First ascension where air was the easiest of the planes 17:53 [hdf-us] [nd] firemonkey (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "a blessed fixed ring of levitation", on T:23264 18:00 -!- rumflump has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 18:08 firemonkey, ugh, that's always a painful wish :( 18:08 when the RNG doesn't give you lev. 18:08 true that 18:08 firemonkey, wasn't willing to polypile for it? 18:08 lucky i have everything else 18:08 <[Demo]> i like slashem and dnh cause they both have flying 18:09 I tried, saving the last zaps for the sanctum 18:09 got free action and TC :) 18:09 <[Demo]> that game i just ascended i blew my wand dry 18:09 <[Demo]> i never do that 18:09 [Demo], if I have a saddle, I'd consider riding a ki-rin through the end game. Even without riding, I realize in hindsight, my priest could have ridden her pet ki-rin to the endgame. 18:09 <[Demo]> like wrest the last wish 18:10 god, the urge to make my own roguelike won't go away 18:10 :/ 18:10 !role 18:10 NCommander: nethack4 caveman 18:10 ... caveman could be interesting, at least their artifact isn't complete garbage 18:16 <[Demo]> i have 3 more dnh guys i need to kill or ascend 18:49 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an ice vortex, on T:11124 18:54 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 20262 points, T:11201, killed by a warhorse 19:06 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 19:12 !role 19:12 zxkuqyb: nhdev ranger 19:13 [hdf-us] [fh] IRL wizard (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) were chosen to steal souls for the glory of Anhur, on T:24357 19:13 yeeeah, I dunno about that 19:29 NCommander: embrace the urge to make your own roguelike... or nethack variant... 19:29 <[Demo]> probably not worth the time 19:30 <[Demo]> really depends where you are in your life and what other passions you have 19:31 aosdict, :/ 19:31 [Demo], I just rolled monk in general, I might go through the game weaponless but that's about it 19:34 <[Demo]> does your alignment take a hit every time you eat meat? 19:34 <[Demo]> and since its fh a big hit 19:35 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 19:40 [Demo], yes, but I'm being careful not to pray 19:40 ... fracking poly trap 19:40 That could have been worse 19:40 <[Demo]> i wanna see your alignment 19:41 <[Demo]> ah yeah 19:41 <[Demo]> damn 19:41 <[Demo]> fh monk is cruel 19:41 <[Demo]> it blasts your alignment every time you eat meat 19:42 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:43 [hdf-us] [fh] NCommander (Mon Elf Mal Cha) killed the wizard of LegendofFH, the former Thaumaturge, on T:7836 19:43 Oh frack 19:43 it's a double bones 19:43 <[Demo]> oh its also you 19:43 <[Demo]> great 19:48 [Demo], it's a triple bones ... 19:48 WHY ARE THEY ALL ALIVE :( 19:49 <[Demo]> yey bones party 19:49 <[Demo]> yey quad bones 19:49 WOOHOO 19:49 <[Demo]> oh nice you get to live 19:49 I added a new body to it 19:50 [hdf-us] [fh] NCommander (Mon Elf Mal Cha), 48172 points, T:8169, killed by a leocrotta 19:50 I'm not convinced I want to play nethack again :P 19:50 God that's a nasty combo 19:50 [Demo], I ended one of the bones players 19:50 <[Demo]> awe 19:51 Fracking team q 19:51 I hate team q 19:51 and monks don't have a great way to lower AC because the body armor penalties are brutal 19:57 <[Demo]> team q is all like mr 0 though 19:58 Most of team q isn't a big problem, but leocrottas are faster than the player and occur early enough, hit hard enough to be a problem sometimes. 19:58 Now, if leocrottas generated in large groups, THAT would be evil. 19:58 <[Demo]> that happens in dnh 19:59 <[Demo]> if you get unlucky 19:59 Eep. 19:59 <[Demo]> a horde of lecrotta zombies 19:59 <[Demo]> large pack 19:59 leocrotta _zombies_? Do I even wanna know? 19:59 Tell me these aren't GruntHack-esque zombies. 19:59 <[Demo]> not that bad 20:00 <[Demo]> im convinved dnh zombies are just retarded AI versions of regular monsters with less chance to get an inventory, revive like trolls, and come in large packs and thats it 20:00 Ah. 20:00 They keep the original monster's speed? 20:01 Because if so: imagine a large pack of air elemental zombies. 20:02 <[Demo]> I think they keep speed, can't test, server is down 20:04 jonadab: I imagine being living is a prerequisite for being zombified. Which elementals aren't. 20:07 Ah. 20:07 <[Demo]> uh nope 20:07 <[Demo]> there are zombie zombies 20:08 Humans count as living in NetHack terms. 20:10 Examples of non-living monsters include undead, demons (not sure why, flavor wise; they're immortal, but mortal and living are distinct concepts in my book), golems. 20:11 immortal? you can definitely kill them 20:11 <[Demo]> are immortal vampires still a thing in 3.6.0? 20:11 <[Demo]> or bats rather 20:12 in D&D I think they are truly immortal, and killing them normally just banishes them to some plane where they have to regenerate 20:12 aosdict: well, in NetHack you can kill more or less anything. 20:12 <[Demo]> especially if its u that ur killing 20:15 YASI: a race that is almost impossible to kill but incredibly useless at everything 20:16 <[Demo]> thats a thing in slex 20:16 <[Demo]> it cant not be 20:16 Indeed. 20:18 Also, doesn't some other variant have troll as a playable race? 20:18 Complete with reviving? 20:19 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:19 <[Demo]> thats slex, when you die you lose like 2 levels 20:19 <[Demo]> good for junethack 20:20 <[Demo]> i should try to start a junethack clan called the renegade priests and try to ruin the established order. dont think id be very successful 20:21 Ah. 20:22 topple the power structure! bring teamsplat and ootc to their knees! 20:22 I kinda want to start a junethack clan one of these years, when I have a bit more free time in June than average. 20:23 <[Demo]> gonna have to build up dnh exploits the time leading up to junethack 20:23 Which could potentially happen if I get on the ball with my VBS prep in the spring and stay on top of things. 20:23 [hdf-us] [slex] k2 (Pic Nav Fem Law), 0 points, T:243, killed by a monster (firefly) 20:24 jonadab: FIQHack trolls as a race would lay dead (helpless) for the same number of turns as monsters do, and their enemies will try to lock them in a box or toss them in water or whatever before that happens 20:24 YASI ^ 20:24 I asked FIQ if he's going to implement letting item-using pets zap undead turning at you to revive you. 20:25 <[Demo]> heh 20:25 <[Demo]> good 20:25 (I asked this, having a fair idea what kinds of implementation difficulties are involved.) 20:25 <[Demo]> thats my favorite thing to do 20:25 <[Demo]> ask fiq for unreasonable symmetry 20:25 (Apparently he does too, because he didn't say "Yeah, I should do that.") 20:28 EPI: if there are pets, there must also be pests: monsters that are technically tame, but instead of fighting your enemies they just hang out right next to you all the time, getting underfoot, picking up items, eating corpses that grant useful properties, and just generally making a nuissance of themselves. 20:29 <[Demo]> welfare pets 20:51 -!- hpardis has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:03 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 21:25 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 21:30 -!- Menche has joined #hardfought 21:31 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:36 [hdf-us] [fh] IRL wizard (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed spellbook of identify", on T:36979 21:38 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 21:41 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:48 a - [ a set of gray dragon scalesb - [ a set of silver dragon scales 21:48 thank you sweet babu jesus 21:48 *baby 21:48 <[Demo]> yeah 21:48 <[Demo]> good job not getting killed 21:48 <[Demo]> that was a lot of dragons 21:50 you were watching? 21:50 :P 21:50 <[Demo]> yeah wanted to send a message to tell u not to die but that would have been annoying 21:50 hah 21:50 yeah i was rolling the dice there 21:51 had reflection but no MR and only ac -4 21:51 <[Demo]> im not sure how you're alive 21:51 and reflection in sporkhack only partially works 21:51 <[Demo]> they didnt seem to be hitting for enough dmg 21:51 i just kept putting them to sleep 21:51 sleep spell really should be a lvl 3 spell at a minimum 21:52 <[Demo]> yeah was surprisingly effective 21:52 minimum 21:52 but yeah combo of skill and a lot of luck 21:52 LOT 21:52 but i wasnt going to fare very well at the castle without doing this first 21:52 <[Demo]> surprised the sleep hit them as much as it did 21:55 huh 21:56 blue dragons can blind themselves 21:56 <[Demo]> thats pretty silly 21:56 <[Demo]> not surprising 21:56 figure they'd be immune to that 21:56 <[Demo]> evolution hasnt got that far yet 21:58 i have yet to see a regular sized sack or bag this game 21:58 found a small sack but they are next to worthless 21:58 <[Demo]> do they have an item limit? 21:59 and item type 21:59 <[Demo]> damn 21:59 only good for things like potions rings and scrolls 21:59 <[Demo]> thats mostly what I use sacks for anyway 21:59 <[Demo]> gold? 22:00 ? 22:01 heh was checking play list 22:01 metallica - the frayed ends of sanity 22:01 cant go wrong with that while dealing with gangs of dragons 22:05 [hdf-us] [fh] IRL wizard (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased magic marker named The Voice of the Unheard", on T:37859 22:06 lol 22:08 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 22:19 <[Demo]> so i think i successfully backed up my server fully, shitty os doesnt work unless the device is sda and i dont wanna unplug the raid array cause it might kill itself so im just gonna assume it works 22:49 [hdf-us] [fh] IRL wizard (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:40973 22:59 [hdf-us] [fh] IRL wizard (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "3 cursed potions of gain level named nope", on T:41628 23:00 -!- [Demo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01 -!- [Demo] has joined #hardfought 23:03 [hdf-us] [fh] IRL wizard (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:42278 23:07 [hdf-us] [fh] IRL wizard (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) reached the Astral Plane, on T:42519 23:09 -!- DrakeMarshall has joined #hardfought 23:11 Yo @Demo I'm not sure of another way to reply to your message but through here 23:11 But I do have a taming source, if gnosis premonition binding Naberius counts 23:12 [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law), 601 points, T:1479, killed by a gnome lord 23:13 I accidentally lost my lvl30 that would let me conveniently bind Naberius, but I'll regain it in short order 23:15 [hdf-us] [fh] IRL wizard (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed potions of speed", on T:42674 23:17 [hdf-us] [un] sWordswinger (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 863 points, T:2417, killed by an imp 23:18 <[Demo]> nice 23:18 [hdf-us] [fh] IRL wizard (Luxidream) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 267634 points, T:42717, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-12-27%2004%3A18%3A25%2C%20IRL%20wizard-Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha%2C%20ascended.txt 23:20 -!- bouquet has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:44 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 23:46 To people who know dnethack: in light of the fact that Oona appears to be pretty slow, does she really make that great of a pet? (particularly for an automaton, who may still be lacking in extrinsic speed but can run on high clockspeed) 23:50 <[Demo]> what version is she? 23:51 <[Demo]> shes pretty good and can wind you for free 23:51 <[Demo]> also grab a tulani eladrin as a pet because their gaze is broken rn 23:52 she is fire version 23:52 <[Demo]> oh yes 23:52 <[Demo]> fire is best for astral 23:52 not as good for gehennom but that's probably fine 23:52 astral is more important 23:53 so it is worth keeping her even though she'd move much slower than I would? 23:53 I guess if I can get infinite winding speed hardly matters lol 23:53 <[Demo]> do you have a magic whistle? 23:53 ahhhh good pont 23:53 or just give her some spare speed boots or something 23:53 point* 23:53 <[Demo]> toss her a wand of speed monster 23:53 <[Demo]> she will zap herself 23:53 <[Demo]> and be slightly less slow 23:54 Ironically I still haven't found speed boots 23:54 <[Demo]> dont try to zap her with it 23:54 But a magic whistle should do the trick... I think I have one somewhere... 23:54 looks like this minetown has a case of the bones 23:54 <[Demo]> if you need a magic whistle theres one on the dungeon with the lawful quest portal 23:54 I might even have the spare slots to get basic or skilled in beastmastery 23:55 But that might not be worth it idk 23:55 <[Demo]> tame her and a tulani eladrin, the pink ones behind her 23:55 <[Demo]> do you have charm monster? 23:56 I have a single blessed scroll of taming, and the ability to use gnosis premonition and temporarily bind Naberius (who has a taming power) 23:56 <[Demo]> oh cool u got gnos prem 23:56 <[Demo]> yeah you might need multiple naberius gnos prems 23:56 I can't cast any spells basically though lol 23:56 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 23:57 This character is basically 100% hand-to-hand 23:57 <[Demo]> phase engine is so great 23:57 But they're extremely good at it because bindings+automaton makes for an extreme number of intrinsic resistances 23:58 Also... Last time I had my automaton quaff a potion of gain ability it didn't seem to do anything 23:58 Is there *any* way to raise their stats? 23:58 This has been a very minor issue for me because I have premium heart which raises str and dex to 25 both and those are the ones I care most about 23:58 But it'd still be nice to have constitution that isn't 9 23:59 At any rate I might branchport back to sokoban and check if I got that whistle... Need to make sure I have it before I start taming a bunch of peeps