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I think fourk/fiq monsters will zap bad wands 01:48 I don't believe vanilla monsters will 01:48 fh 01:49 no, in vanilla they don't 01:49 tsk.. 01:49 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:46250 01:49 I'm at Fort Ludios and they are zapping all kinds of stuff at me... 01:50 thug life 01:58 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:59 [hdf-us] [fh] Elsabert (phollenback) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 39727 points, T:4959, killed by a Mr. Izchak, the shopkeeper 01:59 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:00 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:00 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:46987 02:04 welp.. got hit by a cockatrice corpse 02:04 ugh 02:04 burdened and slowing down 02:04 can you pray? 02:05 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:05 I have a lizard, can pray and have a gelatinous cube under my feet 02:05 oh, take a bite of the lizard then 02:05 as long as it's in open inventory 02:05 how fast can I consume the cube tho? 02:06 I *think* you just need a bite 02:06 definitely true with the lizard 02:06 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:06 to not break the vegetarian conduct 02:06 oh! 02:06 gotcha 02:07 the problem is - I'm burdened and the cube is on the floor... aaaand the cockatrice wielding dude is standing next to me 02:07 hm, so he might do it again. 02:08 a sticky situation indeeed... 02:08 can you kill him quickly? 02:08 once you get rid of the little "turning into a statue" problem, of course 02:09 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:47450 02:09 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:47452 02:09 I think yes 02:10 then you might actually do the prayer option, because he can't attack you while you're doing that... and then get rid of him as quick as you can 02:10 you still have the gelcube available if he does get you again 02:10 well what the hell.. let's try the prayer 02:13 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:13 lol 02:14 how did it go? 02:14 [hdf-us] [fh] Zxkuqyb (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 78252 points, T:22007, petrified by a soldier, while unable to move due to turning to stone 02:14 that was good run :))) 02:14 *a good run 02:14 oh dear 02:14 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:15 totally my fault 02:15 got too greedy 02:16 also, god was displeased for some reason 02:16 oh. that can put a damper on things 02:17 oh and before he heard me I got wack again and again - that's good to know 02:18 !lastgame 02:18 zxkuqyb: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/Z/Zxkuqyb/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-12-23%2007%3A14%3A12%2C%20Zxkuqyb-Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt 02:18 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 02:19 ring of free action *facepalm* 02:20 and forgot about displacement 02:20 I probably could step back 02:20 it says "you angered your god two turns ago"... 02:21 does free action protect from petrification in fiqhack? 02:21 wiki says it prevents stoning in vanila 02:21 dunno about fiqhack 02:22 I don't think it does in vanilla 02:22 prolly angered him by praying while on timeout 02:22 although I didn't pray before that ever 02:23 no, stoning is on the list of things that free action does *not* protect from 02:23 On T:21613 you received Werebane from Chih Sung-tzu. 02:23 died on 22007 02:23 oh 02:23 getting a gift restarts the prayer timeout, even though you didn't pray 02:24 yeah.. I figured that's why 02:24 well, die and learn... :p 02:24 yep 02:25 cool looking bones 02:25 yes... bring your own pickaxe 02:25 except... does ludios allow bones? 02:25 would be a really nice win if I survived that encounter 02:26 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:26 that is another thing I don't know about nethack and it's variants 02:26 no, ludios is not bones-eligible 02:27 at least not in vanilla 02:27 dang 02:27 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:28 so it's like dying in soko... gone forever 02:28 -!- scott_ has joined #hardfought 02:28 -!- scott_ is now known as buckettest 02:29 the whole reason I've decided to do fort is to buff Def via protection 02:29 which I would pay for with fort money 02:29 -!- buckettest has quit [Client Quit] 02:29 yes, all the gold in ludios can buy some tough skin 02:31 -!- bouquet has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:31 wooo elenmirie gogogo! 02:31 -!- scott_ has joined #hardfought 02:31 -!- scott_ is now known as bouquet 02:33 hi K2! 02:34 o/ 02:34 how are you? 02:34 not bad... goofing off before Christmas :) 02:34 same :P 02:34 staying up waaaay too late and i dont even care 02:34 yeah! 02:35 how's your daughter feeling? any better? 02:35 not really 02:35 fever been up/down all day 02:35 :( 02:35 poor little lass 02:36 she's sleeping now so i hope by end of today (its 2:35am here now) she's feeling better 02:36 fingers crossed 02:39 thanks me too 02:40 i'm sure she'll get over it before xmas 02:40 yeah, because that would suck for a kid... 02:41 -!- DrakeMarshall has joined #hardfought 02:41 i've been sick on xmas before as a kid 02:41 [hdf-us] [nd] asdlka (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 307 points, T:1013, killed by a giant bat 02:41 not like deathly ill, but nasty head cold type sick 02:42 felt miserable 02:44 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:46 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:46 2 arc gnome ascensions within 24 hrs? 02:47 the march of the garden ornaments! 02:47 lol 02:51 I had a nasty bike accident a few days before Christmas when I was about 13 or 14 or so 02:51 hit by a car, landed on my head (no helmet) 02:51 gah 02:51 ouch! 02:51 was a centipede driving the car? 02:51 lol 02:52 lots of pain, I don't remember too much fortunately (concussion) 02:52 It is the only think that compares top the centipede pain :D 02:52 thing 02:52 I recall that my family gave me my Christmas present early (Monopoly set), which is ominous when you think about it 02:53 so they came in the morning and gave me the monopoly set, and again in the evening 02:53 but I didn't remember the morning visit at all 02:53 yes, that is a bit ominous... 02:54 then my sister pointed at the monopoly set and said "then where did that come from?" 02:54 I remembered that they had given that to me, but not that they were here 02:57 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 03:00 gogo elenmirie! 03:00 thanks! 03:05 wooo 03:05 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:05 ok gnite all, i am nodding off at my desk heh 03:05 good night! 03:07 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:11 wooot 03:13 -!- bouquet has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:19 [hdf-us] [nd] asdlka (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) rejected atheism by offering a jackal corpse on an altar of Thoth, on T:4595 03:26 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:27 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:29 why didn't you just kill asmodeus on the way down? 03:29 because I levelported past him originally 03:30 I go to the first level where Vlad's stairs might be 03:30 ah 03:40 alright i got cleaver 03:42 yay! 03:43 not quite as prestigious as the amulet, but an important step for a barbarian 03:44 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:46 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:56 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:57 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:59 -!- DrakeMarshall has quit [Quit: *poof*] 04:06 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:06 elenmirie: which rider do you save for last 04:06 I usually avoid death if I can... 04:06 same here 04:07 only one i can't get rid of as easy as the others 04:07 exactly 04:07 unless you are a wizard 04:07 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 04:08 oh... somebody did 04:11 [hdf-us] [nd] asdlka (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:7967 04:13 grats 04:13 thanks! 04:18 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:52750 04:24 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:26 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 04:37 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 04:38 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:40 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 04:43 -!- rumflump has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:44 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:46 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 04:50 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:54595 04:50 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:54603 04:52 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:54682 04:56 first sacrifice... 04:58 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:54888 04:58 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:54894 05:06 [hdf-us] [nd] asdlka (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12196 05:11 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:56061 05:12 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:56159 05:14 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 05:19 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:56710 05:25 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:57106 05:29 uh-oh... 05:29 forgot about the new Cleaver features 05:29 killed a pet 05:30 [hdf-us] [nd] asdlka (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:13626 05:37 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:57809 05:37 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:57811 05:37 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:41 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 05:55 -!- Announcy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:55 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:57 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:58287 05:59 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:58314 06:00 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:58326 06:03 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 06:04 -!- bhaak has joined #hardfought 06:05 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:58381 06:09 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:09 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4518026 points, T:58403, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/ShivanHunter/nhdev/dumplog/1513846695.nhdev.txt 06:12 zxkuqyb: You can eat off the floor with e, and I think this takes the same number of turns as eating from inventory. 06:55 !who 06:55 FIQ: [hdf-us] No current players 06:55 FIQ: [hdf-eu] puck [fh] elenmirie [nd] 06:56 zxkuqyb: before praying, you can press ctrl+x a 06:56 in fiqhack 06:57 it will tell you about when you last did something that would affect the prayer timeout 07:13 oh, that's a nice feature 07:18 novice is monk 07:18 right? 07:21 yes 07:21 I think it's the second rank or something 07:23 so Tariru is playing monk 07:23 as his 24th game 07:23 bold! 07:24 he has been playing each role once for the first 13 07:24 and is repeating it (not in the same order) for the next 13 so far 07:24 he has priest and knight left 07:25 (and monk) 07:29 elenmirie: I saw him playing the start of his 23rd game 07:29 played crazily safe 07:30 was strength training with a boulder on dlvl 07:30 1 07:30 until it reached 17 07:30 started at 13 lol 07:30 wow 07:39 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 07:41 Hi ais523 and welcome to #hardfought. Enjoy your stay! 07:43 Hi FIQ. Thank you for having me, I really feel welcomed. 07:43 ais523: Message from aosdict at 2017-12-22 00:34 EST: possibly of interest: https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/7lfbzp/iso_c_versus_kr_revisited/ 07:43 aosdict: I've already seen it, but don't have much to contribute 07:43 that said, 4.3BSD, being a UNIX, is not something that I'd expect not to have an ANSI C compiler anyway 07:44 that said, I'm starting to suspect that a system with no ANSI C compiler probably has no K&R C compiler either, the two languages really aren't that different 07:44 some day it would be cool if the parts of the devteam for ANSI C did genuine attempts at compiling for the older systems around 07:44 (although it's still a surprise to me that many systems have working C89 but not C99) 07:44 FIQ: well that was someone compiling for 4.3BSD, what more do you want? :-P 07:44 and determine if there are ones that would actually be able to run 3.6.0 if not for ANSIisms 07:44 ais523: True 07:44 but it's just one system 07:45 what I am saying is 07:45 there was (maybe still is?) a public server running 3.6.0 on VMS 07:45 it would be nice to figure out what systems that can still feasibly run 3.6.x 07:45 I'm not sure where it is, though; I tried some searches and couldn't find it 07:45 that will break down on ANsI 07:45 and if there is none 07:46 well... switch 07:46 really, I think "having access to an ANSI C compiler" is normally the least of your problems 07:46 although I think it's just about possible that there are systems with enough disk space to compile NetHack, but not enough disk space to compile NetHack if you need to put gcc on the same disk 07:46 you'd have to aim really precisely, though 07:46 Mac OS Classic is probably the most likely candidate here 07:46 ais523: but I think the ones who insist on K&R's only leg to stand on is "but muh portability" 07:46 so proving that there is none 07:46 would remove all arguments 07:47 *ANSI 07:47 -!- puck1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0-dev] 07:48 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 07:49 one thing in that thread is interesting: I learned that NetHack bundles its own preprocessor 07:49 for the benefit of systems whose preprocessor is broken 07:49 you didn't know? 07:49 even I knew that (...learned in the last thread like that :P) 07:52 ais523: VMS is _much_ to mainstream a system to not have an ANSI C compiler. I guarantee it has one. I mean, it might be something that has to be installed, but needing to install dev tools in order to build is normal in general. 07:53 jonadab: unless you're writing a compiler 07:53 even gcc requires an ANSI C compiler nowadays, though 07:53 they recommend that newer versions of gcc are built using older versions of gcc 07:53 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:53 There are ways of bootstrapping it. 07:53 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:53 The C compiler people know all this stuff forwards and backwards. 07:53 It's what they _do_. 07:53 And yes, using an older version is one of their main tricks. 07:54 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 07:54 There's also stuff like Small-C. 08:01 yep, next time I will know better. that was the best splat yet 08:06 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:07 hmm, now I'm wondering about the feasability of compiling NetHack into some sort of bytecode, then having a very simple VM that can run it 08:07 that might help us port NetHack to systems that can't run it the normal way 08:08 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 08:11 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:13 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 08:14 Using a simple VM (something about halfway between the z-machine and the jvm perhaps) is an interesting thought. It would let you do the build (and stuff like makedefs, levcomp, etc.) on a modern Unix system, and you'd only have to build the VM on the lesser systems. 08:17 You'd need something that A) supports reading files in at least one non-user-specific read-only location, and reading and writing them in both user-specific and non-user-specific locations. Wouldn't have to support reading and writing files in _arbitrary_ places though, the directories could be specified when building the VM. 08:17 B) needs to be Turing-complete obviously. 08:17 C) needs reasonably good terminal-type I/O. 08:17 Bonus points if there's also a version with a graphical UI. 08:18 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 08:18 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 08:18 I had to learn the JVM for work, it's insane 08:18 LLVM may be too complex 08:19 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:19 JVM is clearly overkill for this. 08:19 It has capabilities NetHack has no use for. Lots of them. 08:20 well, you could use just the imperative subset of it, but even that's insane on its own 08:20 On the other end of the scale, the z-machine has nothing resembling enough address space, and no access to the filesystem at all, among other problems. 08:23 actually, this is a good point: can NetHack run on a 16-bit system? 08:23 or is 64K not enough memory 08:25 ais523: 64KiB ought to be enough for anybody 😉 08:26 I suspect it's not enough; most 16-bit systems gained bank switching methods after a while 08:26 * APic wonders how hard it would be to make current 3.6.1-dev run on MS-DOS with 640KiB with Overlays again 08:26 APic: quite hard, I imagine 08:26 Another Handicap would be with Tiles 😉 08:26 ais523: I imagine so too 08:26 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:27 now I wonder if nethack could run on a gameboy 08:27 lol 08:27 in theory 08:27 Excellent Question 08:27 with a MBC5 08:28 FIQ: I think it could run on a NES 08:28 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 08:28 more interesting would be whether it could run on a NES without a second CPU in the mapper 08:29 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:30 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 08:35 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:36 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 08:46 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:47 [hdf-us] [gh] arnibald (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had mace bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:2200 08:48 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 08:50 FIQ: the problem with that experiment is, if they actually do find one or two systems that ran nethack 3.4.3 but lack a means to compile 3.6, then the question changes to "should we drop support" and since devteam members have defended it as a "point of pride" that they don't drop support, that will be a much harder sell. 09:03 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:05 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 09:08 aosdict: Do you think that will happen? I don't. 09:09 It's risky. 09:18 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:20 IIRC, the Amiga version of 3.1.x needed 1 MB and it was already close. 09:20 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 09:25 aosdict: I don't see being more informed as a problem 09:26 to put it another way, if we discover that there /is/ a genuine benefit to staying K&R-only, then that would be a reason to remove the ANSIisms 09:27 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:27 but as clang started to be K&R averse, I don't think we'll going down that direction 09:27 -!- NCommander is now known as KD2JRT 09:27 -!- KD2JRT is now known as NCommander 09:28 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 09:28 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 09:28 clang started to be k&r averse? 09:28 great 09:28 once nethack can no longer be compiled on it 09:28 switch 09:28 :) 09:31 ais523: well if there is a genuine benefit to staying K&R-only, it should be weighed against the benefits of switching entirely to ANSI. I'd like to reach that point if only to force a decision. 09:32 It's just... nethack is very odd among software in that when the devs discover that using new language features might obsolete some platforms, they say "oh well, we'll not use these language features" 09:32 instead of saying "these platforms are old and marginal, if someone wants to play on them we'll tell them the last supported version" 09:33 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:33 and indeed the devteam already does do that 09:33 aosdict: that's not really odd, most retrocomputing projects are willing to rewrite their code to avoid things that might be problematic for some systems 09:33 e.g. when writing termtest-interactive I'm trying to stick to C89 09:33 so that I can run it on terminals that might not run on modern systems 09:34 okay, substitute "video games" for "software" then :) 09:34 I wouldn't call nethack a retrocomputing project >.> 09:34 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 09:34 ais523, the counter argument is most retrocomputing platforms, if they have a dedicated codebae, generally have support for more modern C standard (C++ is a different story) 09:35 aosdict: everything I do seems to turn into retrocomputing eventually, for some reason 09:35 even ayacc aims to be POSIX-compatible even though nobody cares about that nowadays 09:35 ais523, so you build nethack for win16? 09:36 me personally, no 09:36 * NCommander is fairly sure tiles mode supported win16 at some point 09:36 still curious if nethack4 runs on djgpp 09:37 the NetHack core should in theory run on win16 with memory model = large, you might need to write a new windowport if none of the existing ones work though 09:37 shouldn't the wincon core work? 09:37 oh, NH4, not vanilla 09:37 wincon might not work, I think it might use some APIs that postdate win16 09:37 ah 09:38 in general, NH4's Windows-specific code is aimed at Windows 2000 09:38 there is an ansi plugin for dos I think 09:38 ais523, if it uses win32s and requires a 386, I still consider it valid for running on WIndows 3.1 09:38 so you might get away with tty 09:38 :) 09:38 although there are some minor bits that require Vista, such as the icon 09:39 (Vista introduced a new icon format that's way easier to generate on a modern system than .ico is) 09:39 FIQ, largest trick w/ getting things to run on DOS is msotly dealing with the library support situation. 09:39 I played hedgewars on win16 as recent as 2012ish 09:39 but they dropped support when they switched to unicode 09:40 I'm debating if I want to play nethack or try ADOM 09:40 there was a period around 2012 where I on some occasions used a win 98SE computer as my main one 09:41 it worked surprisingly well 09:41 I thought Win 98SE supported the W functions. 09:41 they just weren't default. 09:41 I think 98se does have unicode support with the right libraries 09:41 but I couldn't get it to un 09:42 *run 09:42 which was too bad 09:42 that 98se computer worked better than the one my family had did 09:43 and was completely usable on a day-to-day basis 09:43 !rng 09:43 NCommander: !rng thomas richard harold ; !rng do dishes|play nethack ; !rng 1-100 09:43 er 09:43 !role 09:43 NCommander: nhdev rogue 09:43 pass 09:43 this was before the invasion of javascript bloat 09:43 so you could browse on it nicely 09:44 !role 09:44 FIQ: sporkhack healer 09:44 !role 09:44 FIQ: nh343 caveman 09:44 eww caveman 09:44 !rng -1-1 09:44 aw 09:44 !rng 2-1 09:45 !rng 1-2 09:45 FIQ: 2 09:45 !rng 1-1.4 09:45 pfff 09:45 FIQhack RNG gave me an arc 09:45 so let's try that 09:45 I thought you played that already 09:45 but good luck :D 09:47 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:49 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 10:06 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:08 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 10:17 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:18 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 10:21 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 10:27 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:29 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 10:40 got a +4 hawaiian shirt from a cross-aligned unicorn \o/ 10:40 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 10:48 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 10:50 -!- NeroOneTrueKing_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:53 [hdf-us] [fh] NCommander (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 47165 points, T:5948, killed by a black unicorn, while praying 10:54 damn 10:54 that was pure hubris 10:59 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:01 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 11:08 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:10 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 11:11 unicorn, that's a good point 11:11 I have BoH, MR, reflection and a lizard corpse but no unicorn horn 11:14 I got myself in a bit of a pickle... was doing a bit of altar scumming in minetown, but accidentally swung my axe a bit over-enthusiastically and managed to hit the priestess 11:14 eek! 11:14 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:14 yes, that happens with these modern battle-axes 11:15 new fangled things! 11:15 I had it with Cleaver 11:15 I'm not convinced that's fixable unless you have a scroll of taming (or the charm monster spell) 11:15 fortunately didn't hit a priestess, but a peaceful foo in the mines 11:15 I dug down to get out of it... now I'm just going to levelport up 11:15 yes, charming/taming her will work 11:15 *might* work 11:15 btw, does anyone here know what happens if you capital-F diagonally away from a monster when you have a newfangled axe? 11:15 yes, might work 11:16 does it hit or miss? 11:16 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 11:16 err, I mean diagonally next to 11:16 haven't tried and don't have a battle-axe now (wielding a trident) 11:16 ais523, don't know but if I live through this I might try it later 11:16 ais523: "You attack thin air." 11:17 hmm, in that case, does capital-F /at/ a monster not hit its buddies? 11:17 out of the mines! well, I won't be going back to *that* town again 11:17 that would be consistent at least 11:17 ooh, a ring of teleport control! 11:19 trident at basic is a pretty decent weapon 11:19 (for a tourist sans artifacts) 11:20 ais523: Unless paxed refactored the logic after adoption, it will not hit anything if you don't swing at a monster 11:25 because it runs in hitum 11:26 which never runs if attacking thin air 11:26 random d/c 11:26 oh, so it /does/ hit if you F at a monster? 11:26 this seems like quite a major drawback 11:27 as there's no way to aim your swing to hit only one monster without hitting a monster next to it 11:27 if there are two monsters side by side, and no others, you always hit both or neither 11:27