00:00 magic marker... 00:00 a well-used arrow trap 00:01 just watched 2 jackals walk into it 00:05 nice 00:05 aaaand i finally acquired a spellbook of ID at the VotD 00:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Clk Mal Non) became the Emissary of Elements, on T:81572 00:08 yay 00:08 Grasshopper_: playing 361-dev? 00:09 votd is usually my point of last patience with waiting for identify 00:09 aosdict, yes 00:09 the trap had a candle aand a gem on it, and a couple of arrows already there 00:09 presumably from previous visitors 00:10 I kicked off a jackal corpse and ate it :D 00:11 ok, there's a box upstairs with some gold and a couple of scrolls, I'm going to move it down here and make a stash at that altar on lv2 00:12 -!- bouquet has quit [Quit: bouquet] 00:12 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 00:13 another cursed gem 00:14 I think maybe those gems were generated on that trap I mentioned 00:15 -!- hf_guest_15110 has joined #hardfought 00:16 -!- hf_guest_15110 has quit [Client Quit] 00:19 -!- rumflump has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:25 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:27 -!- bouquet has quit [Quit: bouquet] 00:28 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 00:32 Grasshopper_: traps on the earliest levels generate with some random cursed items now 00:32 and an appropriate corpse 00:34 !tell ais523 possibly of interest: https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/7lfbzp/iso_c_versus_kr_revisited/ 00:34 Will do, aosdict! 00:39 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom for the first time, on T:41018 00:43 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:41173 00:43 aosdict, the corpse may have rotted before I got there, as I often duck down the stairs then back up again to complete the level I'm on 00:43 yes, quite likely 00:44 in any case, the items on the trap are always cursed 00:44 (I think because ais wanted to prevent the puppy pounder factor) 00:46 -!- bouquet has quit [Quit: bouquet] 00:47 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 00:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 00:48 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:41258 00:48 Hmmm 00:49 Does anybody, by any chance, know what binder spirit has the most powerful extra attacks? 00:50 I have a suspicion it's Iris but if somebody's already figured this out I might as well ask 00:51 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:54 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:41392 00:57 found my first beholder, dlvl 37 00:57 trying to ascend gh without genociding anything 00:58 did you keep it as nasty, I can't remember 00:58 beholders are actually buffed now 00:59 but that also means you wont see them until gehennom 00:59 before, you'd start running into them as early as dlvl 10 01:00 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 01:00 https://github.com/NHTangles/GruntHack/commit/103aaec2176264417c0cadfba5c29b2b44d1decd 01:00 yeah but are they M2_NASTY 01:00 oh no 01:00 they never were 01:01 because that would be a nasty way to die 01:02 beholder summoned out of nowhere 01:03 heh 01:03 fun fact - they can be tamed 01:03 always wanted to try 'beholder rain' at astral 01:07 Status of the beholder (chaotic): Level 24 HP 86(86) AC -6. 01:07 woke it up digging 01:18 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:41757 01:18 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) picked up the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:41758 01:30 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:42058 01:35 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:42132 01:35 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 01:39 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +5 thirsty silver saber", on T:42246 01:39 throne wish wooo 01:46 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:50 noice 01:52 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Dispater, on T:42755 02:01 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper_ 02:02 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Geryon, on T:43047 02:03 -!- winny has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:05 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 02:08 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 02:08 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 02:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 02:09 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1454 points, T:3429, killed by a rothe 02:12 [hdf-us] [nd] asdlka (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3492 02:13 [hdf-us] [nd] asdlka (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3658 02:19 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:19 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:20 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 02:20 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 02:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper_] by ChanServ 02:22 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:29 -!- winny has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 02:35 -!- Kontroller has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:36 -!- sebastiantoby has joined #hardfought 02:37 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Demogorgon, on T:44060 02:38 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:38 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 02:40 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:40 alright 02:40 i got an early ring of free action 02:40 and slow digestion and regeneration 02:45 okay a ring of slow digestion worn with no other rings at 900 nutrition 02:45 you starve to death 18000 turns later 02:45 but if you wore a ring of regeneration alongside it 02:46 that would be... 9000 turns i guess? 02:58 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:44622 02:58 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) picked up the Book of the Dead, on T:44626 03:02 [hdf-us] [nd] asdlka (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8432 03:03 alright! 03:03 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) performed the Invocation, on T:44847 03:03 down to 99% fail rate on drain life! 03:04 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 03:04 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:44852 03:16 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 03:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 03:18 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:18 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the elven high priest of Moloch, on T:45067 03:19 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) picked up the Amulet of Yendor, on T:45069 03:19 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:20 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:27 let's see... 03:28 for my variant, i have: removed alignment gain from killing monsters, added some of FIQhack's dragon buffs, buffed the demon princes/lords, and made killing peacefuls pretty much the worst thing ever (except for chaotics with Stormbringer) 03:29 oh yeah and i also nerfed unihorns 03:32 and added necrotic damage 03:33 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:35 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:38 [hdf-us] [nd] asdlka (Val Dwa Fem Law), 27756 points, T:9959, killed by a giant beetle, while paralyzed by a monster 03:47 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 04:04 -!- DrakeMarshall has quit [Quit: *poof*] 04:22 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:22 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 04:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 04:22 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:23 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 04:38 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:39 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 04:57 -!- hpardis has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:59 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:01 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 05:05 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:06 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:07 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 05:19 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:20 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 05:26 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 05:40 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:42 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 05:44 !whereis tangles 05:44 Tangles: [hdf-us] Tangles [4k]: (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) T:8688 Advent Calendar level: 5 05:45 ahhh the advent calendar! I've never seen this before. 05:48 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:50 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 05:54 Hmm.. it's just a bunch of empty closets. They all unlock with a normal key, and there's nothing in them. 05:57 -!- sebastiantoby is now known as Kontroller 06:00 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:01 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 06:13 [hdf-us] [gh] arnibald (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 646 points, T:737, killed by a dwarvish lord 06:19 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:20 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 06:26 You see here a zinc wand (1000 zorkmids). 06:26 hmm.... 06:27 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 06:34 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:36 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 06:48 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:50 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 06:52 [hdf-us] [fh] NCommander (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the green slime of Zxkuqyb, the former Esquire, on T:1432 06:59 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:01 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 07:05 [hdf-us] [fh] NCommander (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 35935 points, T:2297, killed by a giant spider 07:06 damn, that was just unlucky 07:06 how exactly did zxkuqyb become a green slime that early 07:06 poly I guess 07:07 also hi 07:07 Tangles: don't open the wrong ones 07:19 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:21 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 07:27 . 07:27 LarienTelrunya: Message from rikersan at 2017-12-19 17:39 EST: wtf is wrong with slex credit, I dropped 100 gold to get credit and pay but the shk stole it 07:27 aosdict: https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/7lfbzp/iso_c_versus_kr_revisited/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=nethack 07:27 !tell rikersan slex shopkeepers can cheat, i.e. they sometimes decide to make the money their property; if at all possible, always try to pay with money in your own inventory! if you have teleportitis, don't worry - picking up an item doesn't cost a turn, and if you pay right away there's no danger of accidental shoplifting. 07:27 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 07:30 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:30 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:32 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 07:34 elenmirie: nice 07:34 [hdf-us] [fh] NCommander (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 36303 points, T:3405, killed by a mumak 07:35 * NCommander is NOT having luck 07:36 :( 07:37 You have extreme difficulty lifting a bag called holding. Continue? [ynq] (q) y G - a bag called holding. You can barely move a handspan with this load! You feel wise! 07:37 not so sure... 07:38 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:38 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:39 /////////$ames 07:39 wat 07:39 nvm 07:40 elenmirie, the fact that you can pick it up means you can decurse it easily 07:40 elenmirie, otherwise the only way to decurse a bag is with cancelation 07:40 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 07:40 I know, that's why I did it :) 07:40 because, no cancellation wand 07:42 !role 07:42 NCommander: sporkhack barbarian 07:42 ... 07:42 * NCommander tries again 07:42 !role 07:42 NCommander: grunt archeologist 07:42 hrm 07:42 maybe 07:42 that would be a fun one 07:43 never played spork 07:43 I've ascended once in Nh343, 360, and FIQ 07:43 (valk, sam, pri) 07:43 grunt is cool 07:43 evil 07:43 but cool 07:43 yes, grunt is actually fun 07:43 I assume it's not slex evil 07:43 no 07:43 I think I will miss the QoL enchantments from NH4/FIQHack 07:44 I also re-learned that dark mines and non-infraseeing characters don't mix in the early game 07:44 Though the first barb was very unlucky, trapdoor to master mind flayer 07:44 ugh 07:44 Emergency dig dropped me next to another thing I couldn't kill in mine's end 07:45 grunt is fun yes 07:45 has some crazy stuff 07:45 it's my favorite variant 07:46 just I disagree with the couple of outright evil things it has 07:46 like earlygame weres or beholders 07:46 zombies... 07:46 FIQ, btw, I noticed a bug 07:46 NCommander: ? 07:47 FIQ, when blinded, the box in the lower right hand corner still shows items even if you haven't groped 07:47 known issue 07:47 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:47 I should fix that 07:47 now that fiqhack has object memory 07:47 I'm going to really miss object memory in another variant 07:48 object memory is IMO the biggest convenience fiqhack has over other variants 07:48 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 07:49 not the only one of course, spell maintenance, autoswap, saner polearm UI, etc is also nice 07:51 FIQ, honestly, what I like the most is ironically the resistances nerf + revised monster AI 07:51 That drastically ups the difficulty a lot to the point that the endgame was at the point that even with rodney smoked, I wasn't sure I was going to get a win. 07:52 Usually once you can snag the amulet, it's a YASD that causes ascension failure (though astral can get nasty even in vanilla) 08:00 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:02 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 08:02 FIQ: I already saw that link? 08:02 at least, I told ais523 about it 08:03 no idea who that is though, I expect it's not NCommander since the YAAP account is labeled "NCommander" 08:03 but I don't know anyone else who offered to try building nethack on old platforms 08:04 wait what? 08:04 Oh, the NetHack on BSD4.2? 08:05 Not me, but i was tickled by that. 08:20 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:21 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:42 [hdf-us] [4k] Tangles (Wiz Syl Fem Cha) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:14709 08:57 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 08:58 My pet blue dragon is aging rapidly. He was young when we entered the soko zoo, now he's an elder. 09:12 jonadab: What are the two rings and amulet in the soko-prize sack in fourk? are they always the same or are they random? 09:17 Tangles: actually that could be interesting if you _don't_ know what they are but can't find out without choosing to get them. 09:18 ^ YANI: one soko prize is multiple rings and an amulet, all random, and is additional to the other gifts. But you can't see what the rings or the amulet look like until you enter their space and lose the other prizes. 09:18 aosdict: There's no choice to be made. It's just a single prize. 09:19 Based on jonadab's proposals, I am pretty sure one ring is polymorph control. 09:20 I'm just going through his soko spoilers now, it turns out the prize is fixed for each goal level (as it used to be in 3.4.3). 09:22 anyway I was imagining some unnethack-like system where you can choose your prize and once you open a door/walk onto the prize, the other doors seal into walls. 09:22 Except one prize, if you don't feel like any of the other ones, is random good stuff. 09:24 Hmm so it's the "Ringing endorsement" level (which incidentally is so annoying as to make you wish you were doing 2a instead), and apparently the sack contains a ring of teleport control, a ring of poly control, and a random ring. 09:24 which fits, except that the random ring is in this case an amulet. 09:30 hi 09:30 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 09:30 it will be funny if that amulet is reflection 09:36 Hi K2 09:36 o/ 09:36 how's the fourk game goin? 09:36 Slow... 09:37 I can't even remember when I started this one. 09:37 heh 09:37 months ago I think. 09:39 It's a sylph wizard... thinking of turning it into a stupid conduct run. Currently still has 13 I think. 09:40 but they are fourk conducts, so you know, that's 13 of probably about 50. 09:40 wow 09:40 i'm currently in the VotD on my way up with the amulet (gh) 09:40 Nice! 09:40 this is your gnome arc run, right? 09:41 yup 09:41 havent genocided anything, never attempted that conduct in gh before 09:41 nice! 09:41 the beholders make it tricky. 09:42 though I think easier now that they don't show up until later. 09:42 yup, i almost had a run in with a couple that were awake and i was line of sight with no towel 09:42 i have detect monster now so using it a lot 09:43 good idea. 09:43 i think i'm going to tweak beholders again 09:43 their HD is fine, and its appropriate they arent showing up until gehennom 09:43 but they're a lil too rare now i think 09:47 soko amulet was flying :) 09:49 and yeah I was a long way into gehennom before I saw one, in my only gh game to reach gehennom. 09:50 i didnt see my first one this game until dlvl 37 09:51 Also ID'd that expensive wand I picked up earlier.... Y - a wand of wishing (1:1). 09:51 wooo! 09:51 Now I have to decide if I'm going to break the conduct :) 09:51 K2: Yeah 37 was about the same for me from memory, give or take. 09:53 amulet of reflection would be the obvious choice, since the sylph can't really wear a shield or body armor. 09:53 but... flying! :) 09:53 i know right? 09:54 love that amulet 09:54 also ESP (which I'm currently wearing - tough choice) 09:56 I'll probably have to cave and either wish or polypile at some point, unless I just happen to find a bunch of stuff. 09:58 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59 i havent seen a magic marker this entire game 09:59 not even a felt marker 10:07 oh that's right... I forgot about troll markers. 10:08 <[Demo]1> thats just cruel 10:08 I just wen back and smashed all the Oracle's statues. Got one spellbook, and it was one I already had :/ 10:08 Anyhow bed time. 10:09 'night! 10:12 gnite! 10:15 is reading a blessed/uncursed scroll of genocide while confused act the same as reading a cursed scholl of genocide normally? 10:15 s/is/does 10:15 scroll 10:18 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47230 10:18 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 10:18 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:19 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47338 10:20 arc gnomes! 10:20 :) 10:21 arc gnomes sound like steampunk welding gnomes 10:21 K2: confused cursed/uncursed genocide is fatal. 10:21 confused blessed is the same as unconfused blessed 10:24 ooh yeah 10:24 glad i asked 10:25 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) entered the planes, on T:47381 10:25 go go! 10:25 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47382 10:27 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47409 10:29 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 10:42 -!- puck1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0-dev] 10:44 K2: reading an uncursed scroll of genocide is an unavoidable instadeath 10:44 not even LS can save you 10:44 blessed does the same whether you're confused or not 10:44 elenmirie: confused cursed isn't fatal 10:45 ah... 10:45 doesnt that bring in acid blobs? 10:45 no that's confused create monster 10:45 ah 10:45 it was a long time before I realised that confused blessed genocide wouldn't kill you... 10:46 what does it do? 10:47 confused blessed is the same as unconfused blessed 10:47 confused cursed summons your own role (I didn't know that)... 10:47 so only confused uncursed actually kills you 10:49 confusing.. 10:49 don't read that scroll right now. 10:49 :p 10:49 will do (or not) 10:50 go K2! 10:50 <[Demo]1> if you dont ever read it cursed you cant die from it 10:55 tried beholder rain 10:55 got one tame one out of it 10:55 one is pretty tough! 10:55 they are slow tho 10:55 we'll see how this goes :) 10:56 all the spheres are weird, but only on one altar 10:56 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:47832 10:57 lol beholder rain! 10:58 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:47849 10:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 11:00 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:47867 11:01 hah first altar 11:03 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:47898 11:04 it had all the spheres around it 11:04 congrats K2! 11:05 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 3041276 points, T:47907, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/gh/dumplog/1513633186.gh.txt 11:05 congrats K2! 11:05 thanks! 11:05 grats! gh arc is a tough one 11:05 congrats K2! 11:05 thanks all 11:05 so... i think that's all roles/genders/races for gh now 11:05 impressive 11:06 is grunthack fun? 11:06 hell yeah 11:06 full monty! full monty! full monty! 11:06 lol 11:12 ok, started a neutral giant wizard and got rings of conflict and slow digestion 11:16 wow nice 11:17 firemonkey: take note, giants cant wear body armor, t-shirts or cloaks 11:17 oh... 11:17 so how you plan your gear takes some thought 11:17 <[Demo]1> can they wear bomb ass hats? 11:17 oh yeah 11:17 the bomb assier the better 11:17 and boots and gloves 11:18 yes 11:18 they can pickup and carry boulders with no weight penalty 11:18 and throw them 11:18 cool 11:19 <[Demo]1> gotta make early game easier 11:19 gotta figure out the UI 11:20 firemonkey when it's time to start wishing for gear, use this as a guide - https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/gh/dumplog/1502264234.gh.txt 11:21 thanks! 11:26 -!- zxkuqyb has joined #hardfought 11:26 oh wow, water walking boots of speed 11:26 no choosing or switching! 11:27 those are the best! 11:27 ring of reflection.. 11:27 AND free action! 11:27 gh gear rocks 11:33 wouldn't it be better to have a helm of brilliance and dexterity? get both enchantment bonuses on one piece of gear? 11:34 <[Demo]1> wonder if using elven gear would be worth it 11:35 <[Demo]1> to get to +7 bonus instead of +5 11:36 as in an elven helm of brilliance? 11:36 I... don't think such a thing exists. 11:36 You could have an elven mithril helm of brilliance, but you couldn't wish for brilliance and dexterity both. 11:36 -!- nht has quit [Quit: nht] 11:37 if the base item was elven helm. 11:38 <[Demo]1> right 11:38 <[Demo]1> get elven helm of brilliance 11:38 <[Demo]1> for +7 11:38 <[Demo]1> probably not worth it if you are concerned about dex 11:39 K2: are you concerned about dex in grunthack? 11:40 dragonhide cornuthaum of brilliance is nice for wiz 11:41 or dexterity 11:41 and the reason you go cornuthaum is because it's the one cloth helm 11:41 yep 11:41 and can thus be made dragonhide 11:43 do I have to get a bigger screen than 80x25? 11:43 no but it helps for NH3 with curses, or NH4 in general 11:43 rumflump yes, because i like to toss potions at demogorgon 11:43 you cant do elven helm of brilliance 11:44 as elven helm base material is leather, not metal 11:44 <[Demo]1> damn 11:44 what 11:44 that makes no sense 11:44 are you sure you aren't referring to dragonhide 11:44 object properties don't have that kind of restrictions 11:44 err 11:44 yeah what fiq said 11:44 * K2 goes back to eating 11:45 corpses again? 11:46 oh snap 11:46 i made the top ten overall zscores 11:46 kewl 11:46 \o/ 11:50 wow, score of 15 for grunthack 11:52 K2: pushed a couple of updates to Fourk master. These are post-4.3.0.4 changes but do not break save compat. 11:52 ok 11:52 thx 11:52 will finish my soup and then run an update 11:53 go firemonkey go! 11:53 Most notable is probably that things like potions and scrolls can now be fooproofed. 11:53 yes that's awesome 11:53 i think grunthack was the only variant that allowed that prior 11:53 playing on eu cause I heard it was fast 11:54 its pretty good 11:54 ping wise for EU players, yes 11:54 the cpu/memory specs on that insatnce are less than hdf us 11:54 instance 11:54 it can lag for us, but its no prob 11:55 * K2 loves soup 11:55 esp during winter 11:55 !soup 11:55 no soup for you! 11:56 soup made from newt! 11:56 i am home today because mini-me had a 102 temp fever yesterday afternoon and had to leave school. she's parked on the couch feeling like bleh 11:57 soup for her! 11:57 what kind of soup? (besides newt) 11:57 tell her its made with jabberwocks 11:57 K2: Oh, also, permaconversion is no longer irreversible as of this update. 11:57 beholder soup 11:57 Some folks may be interested in that. 11:58 <[Demo]1> alignment fluid 11:59 neat 11:59 aosdict turkey noodle w/ crackers 11:59 ok lets update 12:01 * NCommander justs wants 2017 to be over :/ 12:02 !asc K2 12:02 NCommander: K2 has ascended 19 times in 998 games (1.90%): nh:1 (1.54%), sp:1 (0.35%), nd:2 (5.88%), nh4:1 (9.09%), dyn:1 (9.09%), un:2 (3.03%), 4k:1 (2.78%), fh:1 (6.67%), gh:9 (2.16%) 12:03 NetHack Fourk updated (us and eu) 12:03 jonadab you gave giants the ability to one-hand wield two-handed weapons correct? 12:03 surprised that server load is an issue for a nethack server 12:04 <[Demo]1> i like how dnh handles size 12:04 NCommander it can be a concern when you have a single core/cpu server and have multiple games going at once. esp nh4 based 12:04 huh 12:05 For some reason, I didn't think of Nethack in terms of Dwarf Fortress CPU melting 12:05 even NH4 12:05 <[Demo]1> and then the overhead of the ssh encryption in the communication 12:05 and if you have a runaway process that didnt end gracefully and your server only has one core... 12:05 network and memory concerns are minimal 12:05 esp on network side 12:05 * NCommander is surprised no one made a DF server with dgamelaunch 12:05 though dgamelaunch is surprisingly annoying to setup 12:05 you can play nethack over dial up and be ok 12:06 <[Demo]1> good to know that the cpu is whats bottlenecking 12:07 where are you experiencing a slow down? 12:07 <[Demo]1> oh im not 12:07 [hdf-us] [fh] Zxkuqyb (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the ghost of NCommander, the former Pillager, on T:2472 12:08 RIP ME! 12:08 lol 12:08 Nice to know someone beside me got my own bones 12:08 I keep getting my own bones files :( 12:09 NCommander we have bones syncing active now 12:09 thanks to Tangles \o/ 12:09 K2, true, but TBH, I'm not sure FIQHack is one of the more popular variants. Or at least I don't see that many people playing it 12:09 yay tangles! 12:09 * NCommander has had the urge to write his own roguelike 12:09 no matter which server you play on, bones are same 12:10 rsync magic, NFS, or vodoo? 12:10 NCommander FIQhack gets a fair amount of playtime here 12:10 FIQhack is pretty popular, yeah 12:10 https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/fh-scores/ 12:10 and thats just the us server 12:10 K2, playtime, but only a handful of players, which means you're likely to get your own bones, unless FIQHack changes it so bones don't have to be the same level 12:10 not racking scores on eu (yet) 12:10 tracking 12:10 https://scoreboard.xd.cm/recent.fh.html 12:10 thank you for 1001 moneys, NCommander 12:11 zxkuqyb, if that's the bones I think of, you also got a bunch of food. 12:11 if bones werent on the level they were generated... that doesnt make sense 12:11 K2, they make sense on the same branch to an extent :P 12:12 yeah, a whole basket of vegan food 12:12 OH 12:12 I know what bones you got 12:12 I had just raided a knight bones 12:12 <[Demo]1> bones wars 12:12 I remember on NAO, there was a brief period where someone splatted with an ascension kit and two arch-liches roaming minetown 12:12 and it kept saving bones 12:13