00:13 -!- winny has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:14 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 00:15 -!- winny is now known as Guest67949 00:15 -!- Guest67949 has quit [Client Quit] 00:16 -!- winny1 has joined #hardfought 00:28 -!- winny1 is now known as winny 00:32 FIQ, aosdict, whoever else cares, here's the YAAP: https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/7l7e62/yaapfiqhackprielfchamale_the_ascension_where_i/ 00:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:57 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:59 -!- bgiannan has joined #hardfought 01:19 -!- noty_ has joined #hardfought 01:26 -!- winny has quit [*.net *.split] 01:26 -!- noty has quit [*.net *.split] 01:26 -!- oh6 has quit [*.net *.split] 01:26 -!- NCommander has quit [*.net *.split] 01:26 -!- lonjil2 has quit [*.net *.split] 01:26 -!- NotTheOracle\dnt has quit [*.net *.split] 01:27 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:29 -!- bgiannan has joined #hardfought 01:31 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 01:31 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 01:31 -!- NCommander has joined #hardfought 01:31 -!- lonjil2 has joined #hardfought 01:31 i had a dream that i crashed nethack but then i woke up and my save was safe 01:32 -!- NotTheOracle\dnt has joined #hardfought 01:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v NotTheOracle\dnt] by K2 01:48 -!- winny has quit [*.net *.split] 01:48 -!- oh6 has quit [*.net *.split] 01:48 -!- NCommander has quit [*.net *.split] 01:48 -!- lonjil2 has quit [*.net *.split] 02:16 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:24 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 02:24 -!- lonjil has joined #hardfought 02:24 -!- NCommander has joined #hardfought 02:25 -!- NCommander has quit [Changing host] 02:25 -!- NCommander has joined #hardfought 02:25 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 02:29 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 02:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 02:33 -!- noty_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 03:07 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 03:08 Beholder: messages? 03:26 -!- tungtn_ is now known as tungtn 03:51 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 8049 points, T:4421, killed by an Uruk-hai 03:58 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 98 points, T:504, killed by a small mimic 04:27 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 04:48 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:54 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 05:17 -!- rumflump has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:21 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 05:33 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:41 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 05:48 -!- rumflump has joined #hardfought 06:43 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 2034 points, T:5550, killed by a giant beetle 06:45 !tell NCommander nice post! 06:45 Will do, FIQ! 06:46 thanks 06:46 NCommander: Message from FIQ at 2017-12-21 06:45 EST: nice post! 06:46 * NCommander didn't sleep well at all 06:47 that sucks 07:00 -!- zxkuqyb has joined #hardfought 07:06 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 07:34 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 07:36 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:38 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 07:45 !who 07:45 FIQ: [hdf-us] Grasshopper [nd] 07:45 FIQ: [hdf-eu] deki [nd] Raisse [nd] 07:45 ah 07:47 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:49 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 08:23 <[Demo]1> should have stayed in school 08:34 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:05 <[Demo]1> i assume fh has a pet weight carrying limit? 09:05 <[Demo]1> cant have ur dog steal cpm? 09:10 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:11 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 09:35 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Bar Hum Mal Neu) genocided class V, on T:63738 09:46 [Demo]1: yes, same as vanilla 09:50 <[Demo]1> fiqhack is dumbhack 09:50 <[Demo]1> there a mmf blocking my way out of the mines on the last lvl before i get back to the dungeon 09:50 <[Demo]1> and this is my first time down 09:52 <[Demo]1> no luck with wand of sleep 09:55 <[Demo]1> gnomish wizards broken 09:56 <[Demo]1> i think its just spamming some spell and then when it gets to me it has no pw 09:56 <[Demo]1> so it just sits there and gets hit 09:57 -!- firemonkey has joined #hardfought 10:04 <[Demo]1> yey stability! https://i.imgur.com/UEOd839.png 10:04 <[Demo]1> the priest walked under me 10:05 <[Demo]1> in dnh its ok if monsters walk under u, game doesnt even bitch 10:17 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 10:30 that's a nh4 bug 10:33 FIQ, does FIQHack offer the 36 "blind from birth" zen conduct or am I limited to start scumming if I want to try it 10:33 startscum is needed 10:34 :( 10:34 [Demo]1, it's likely a chamenon or doppleganger. While it's RARELY possible for team evil h to show up in the mines, its' very unlikely. And it can happen in vanilla 10:34 * NCommander had it happen recently in NH360 10:35 <[Demo]1> too low for cham to spawn 10:36 <[Demo]1> someone found a poly potion or wand on the ground 10:41 no 10:41 NCommander is referring to minesflayers 10:41 which is indeed a vanilla thing 10:42 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:42 I've seen cham/dopples in the mines if youre XP-8-9. Rare though. Team h can spawn fairly high, I genocided them on my ascension when I ran into the first one at Dl:13 10:43 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 10:45 <[Demo]1> was like xp 7 and it was the first mines level, like lvl 4 10:45 <[Demo]1> the number of turns i spent there it would have changed from anyway 10:45 <[Demo]1> someone got a poly potion or something 10:49 as said 10:49 minesflayer 10:49 nothing specific to fiqhack 10:49 it's everywhere 10:49 including dnethack 10:50 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:51 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 10:54 <[Demo]1> i dont know if monsters drink potions of polymorph or self zap with poly in other variants as much 10:56 fiqhack monsters use poly more yes 10:58 <[Demo]1> and i think the method by which this mmf came to be is the result of a fh change 10:58 <[Demo]1> but i got orc mines end 10:58 <[Demo]1> so i cant complain i guess 10:58 <[Demo]1> wish i could play movement based 11:00 play movement-based? 11:01 <[Demo]1> yeah ok so its a weird thought 11:01 <[Demo]1> i wanna have some sort of fighting style where i get movement points back for hitting things but only if i actually move that turn 11:02 <[Demo]1> so that you kind of dash around and hit stuff 11:02 dnethack has some artifacts similar to what you are asing for 11:02 FIQ: did fh remove the check that prevents monsters self-using poly from turning into out-of-difficulty stuff? 11:02 *asking 11:02 aosdict: yes, it made no sense 11:03 <[Demo]1> i dont think it does 11:08 FIQ: does this apply to muse_poly_trap as well? 11:13 yes 11:16 YANI: Hallucination should prevent medusa's gaze from turning you to stone. 11:16 <[Demo]1> should block most gazes 11:16 <[Demo]1> like cthulhu's 11:16 <[Demo]1> groovy geometries 11:16 Should probably block cthulhu's as well, yeah. 11:17 And Umber Hulk gazes. Probably not Archon radiance. 11:17 "you feel, like, totally stoned" 11:17 <[Demo]1> yeah 11:17 Heh. 11:17 Chris_ANG: even if it weren't going to block all gazes, there's the "you are already stoned" argument... 11:17 Yup 11:17 <[Demo]1> should increase timer 11:18 Does d have "You are already stoned"? 11:18 raisse has been advocating for that for years. 11:18 I did implement it in Fourk, but I might have forgotten the Medusa gaze. 11:19 Chris_ANG: YANI: the hallucinatory Archon radiance message is "The power of the aurora overwhelms you!" 11:19 if the logic for preventing stoning while hallucinating being that you are already stoned would that mean you also get cockatrice immunity? 11:19 Nope, it just occurred to me that hallucinating should logically block the bad effects of looking at Medusa; and testing revealed that it does not. 11:20 Er jonadab^ 11:20 Ah. 11:21 deadnoob: Yes, raisse's suggestion pertained mainly to cockatrices. 11:21 <[Demo]1> does fh cleaver hit peaceful monsters? 11:21 So in Fourk, petrification pertoects you from them and their corpses. 11:21 [Demo]1: I think not. I think that's a 3.6 innovation. 11:21 petrification protects you... because you are already stone? 11:21 I guess it also works as a reply to deadnoob, though. I'm not sure about "you are already stoned" as the logic for Medusa not working. 11:21 forever 11:22 it's a pun based mechanic 11:22 I was thinking more along the lines of Medusa's curse not working because you didn't technically see her face. 11:22 Chris_ANG: Ah, that does also make sense. 11:23 But if you are against pun-based mechanics, NetHack is the wrong game for you. 11:23 I mean, hello, loadstone. 11:23 someone (me) should make a list of all vanilla's pun-based mechanics 11:23 not now though 11:24 But yes, hallucination blocking or mitigating gaze attacks has been suggested before 11:25 Evil Patch Idea: if you're hallucinating and see a monster and the game randomly chooses to describe that monster as "Medusa", you get petrified. 11:26 lol 11:26 is that a feature in slex 11:26 deadnoob: It probably will be. 11:27 it will likely just disable input "Your keyboard is slowing down" 11:27 "Died of a bad trip" 11:29 <[Demo]1> slex should remove instakill and just give fates worse than death 11:29 <[Demo]1> like each turn only one key working or whatever those fun slex features are 11:30 hmm, in nethack you can ingest as many hallucinogens as you want and never poison yourself to death... 11:35 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 11:35 <[Demo]1> why is this balrog so bad at following me? 11:35 got +0 11:36 the nethack hallucinogen is probably pure LSD 11:39 <[Demo]1> god damn 11:39 <[Demo]1> fiq i thought you removed the tedious shit from the game 😛 11:41 <[Demo]1> finally got balrog from top of the mines to the bottom 11:41 <[Demo]1> and he took out mmf 11:41 <[Demo]1> yey 11:41 <[Demo]1> mmf was a gnome of a sort b4 it polyd 11:45 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:45 -!- callforjudgement has joined #hardfought 11:48 -!- callforjudgement is now known as ais253 11:48 -!- ais253 is now known as ais523 11:48 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 11:54 [Demo]1: what tedious things? 11:54 -!- K2-work has joined #hardfought 11:54 removing tedium is part of fiqhack's goal yet 11:54 it doesn't mean I have removed all of it 11:54 *yes 11:55 :P 11:55 [Demo]1: and no, cleaver will not hit peacefuls unless your "main" hit was against one 11:55 Chris_ANG │ YANI: Hallucination should prevent medusa's gaze from turning you to stone. 11:55 FIQHack does this I think 11:56 at least I intended to 11:57 <[Demo]1> well i was kind of dumb 11:57 <[Demo]1> and activated my blessed balrog figurine at the bottom of the mines 11:57 <[Demo]1> cause somehow i thought hed be willing to actually follow me 11:58 How fast/slow are balrogs? 11:59 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:59 <[Demo]1> too slow 11:59 ok, now it does 11:59 <[Demo]1> they also dont like to follow 11:59 <[Demo]1> they kinda like to wander around and do their own thing 11:59 @ hallucination preventing medusa death 12:06 -!- K2-work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 12:31 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:40 -!- rikersan_ has joined #hardfought 12:42 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:49 -!- rikersan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:58 https://i.imgur.com/dBEL4ru.png please explain what the dang 12:59 <[Demo]1> he wants to know what he has 13:00 I mean is this some kind of named unique dude? 13:01 <[Demo]1> bones probably 13:01 I've never met Japanese people in gnome mines before 13:01 of 13:01 hm 13:01 <[Demo]1> oh its the dude who just died 13:01 <[Demo]1> fresh bones 13:02 well, I don't like him, he's killing me 13:02 <[Demo]1> and i dont like whoever formatted my dvd-r s 13:05 Bones player monsters in FIQHack can be tough nuts to crack, yes. 13:06 Given the name of that one, you should probably assume he's going to whack you over the head with at least a katana, if not Excalibur. 13:06 <[Demo]1> Mushanokouji Narinaka (puck) (Sam Hum Mal Law), 32960 points, T:1991, killed by a pony 13:06 he has katana and yumi :/ 13:07 well, judging by the turn count he can't be very tough 13:07 it would be kind of silly if the AI controlling puck's character did a better job than puck himself 13:07 although he throws paralyze and sleep 13:08 that's why he was identifying, maybe 13:08 <[Demo]1> wonder if theres a way to force my death to leave a player character 13:08 <[Demo]1> and get all strong and leave an op one low down in the dungeon 13:08 <[Demo]1> and win by killing a bunch of players 13:10 https://i.imgur.com/nVmuFKI.png the bastard is smart enough to use a teletrap that I "prepared" for an emergency escape 13:12 <[Demo]1> welcome to fiqhack, where the ai is better at the game than you 😛 13:12 wow he's fast.. 13:12 aren't Samurai fast? 13:12 gotta wait until lvl 7 13:13 at least if he's XL7+ 13:13 or something 13:13 I forgot when samurai got speed, or if they had it from the getgo 13:14 [hdf-us] [fh] Zxkuqyb (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the samurai of Mushanokouji Narinaka, the former Ronin, on T:4855 13:14 <[Demo]1> would be neat if player monsters got the intrinsics of their race/role when leveling up 13:14 got him 13:14 zxkuqyb: there is an upside 13:14 if he becomes a player monster 13:14 his stuff isn't cursed 13:15 well, not more than normally that is 13:15 cool 13:15 no 80% autocurse 13:15 <[Demo]1> any way to force leaving a player monster? 13:15 <[Demo]1> or at least up the odds? 13:15 [Demo]1: nope 13:15 <[Demo]1> thats probably good 13:15 but you could let yourself die to a vampire I suppose 13:15 <[Demo]1> oh 13:15 IIRC they have a weapon attack 13:15 <[Demo]1> and they get to cast? 13:15 it isn't a player monster 13:16 but they retain a lot of the benefits 13:16 <[Demo]1> hm 13:16 like that yeah 13:16 <[Demo]1> pvp fiqhack 13:16 and being intelligent 13:16 so able to use items 13:16 bags 13:16 etc 13:16 trinsics 13:16 [Demo]1: NCommander met his former character in bones in his ascension earlier 13:17 a Valkyrie with a cloak of displacement 13:17 that must have been fun 13:17 lol 13:17 <[Demo]1> oh not the one he genocided 13:17 genocide never leaves bones 13:17 Probably a good thing 13:17 he had the bag, yay 13:17 That would have been a cruel minetown bones. 13:19 maybe I should make player monster bones more common :P 13:19 it's 33% atm 13:20 could up it to 50% 13:20 those player monsters are way more interesting to find than regular ghosts 13:30 -!- Jonathanhanes_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:32 -!- Jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 13:43 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 13:49 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:49 -!- Chris__ANG is now known as Chris_ANG 13:50 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 14:12 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 14:30 [hdf-us] [nd] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 1732 points, T:5101, killed by a bolt of lightning 14:31 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 14:39 !tell K2 sorry, but askin again -- need puck1's EU save because it errored during death 14:39 Will do, FIQ! 14:42 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:45 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48 <[Demo]1> i blew up all my armour on a poly trap 😦 14:52 <[Demo]1> why are balrogs purle? 14:54 because they are one of the strongest demon types 14:55 <[Demo]1> demon lords/princes thoug 14:55 [hdf-us] [fh] Demo (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 64172 points, T:12005, killed by an ape, while frozen by a spellbook 14:55 <[Demo]1> "free" action 14:56 <[Demo]1> its stupid how few things free action applies to 14:57 <[Demo]1> but maybe the whole thing is supposed to be a joke 14:57 <[Demo]1> making fun of "free" things in real life 14:57 <[Demo]1> and how they arent really free 14:57 <[Demo]1> different kind of free but wordplay still works 14:58 [Demo]1, that was due to failed spellbook read. ALWAYS bless your spellbooks unless you are sure you can read safely 14:59 <[Demo]1> im a barbarian i was just reading it to get rid of it, was kinda bored with that guy anyway 14:59 <[Demo]1> thats still being frozen 14:59 <[Demo]1> which logically free action would prevent 15:01 <[Demo]1> wish tourists started with like vodka or something to mix with the healing potions 15:03 my barbarian over on alt.org successfully learned the drain life spell 15:03 and then proceeded to fail to read a level 1 spellbook 15:04 * aosdict thinks the proper solution to spellbook reading is to make paralysis a rather high-level failure effect, and make it easier to identify higher-level spellbooks 15:05 Has some current Fork brought the Hacker from NH:TNG back? 15:05 With the nice Jolt Cola and Typing-Gloves? 15:05 <[Demo]1> slex yeah i think 15:05 ktnx 15:05 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 15:09 ooh in a couple levels i might actually be able to cast drain life 15:09 if i take all my metal armor off 15:10 -!- puck1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0-dev] 15:12 <[Demo]1> should cursed darts weld to my hands? 15:13 <[Demo]1> it seems when wielding darts that whatever determines i get the nonweap status is true 15:13 <[Demo]1> so should they really weld to my hand when cursed? 15:33 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 15:34 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:37 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 15:45 <[Demo]1> what the hell my dog has teleportitis 15:45 <[Demo]1> this is ridiculous 15:45 LOL 15:46 can it shoplift like that? 15:46 yes it can 15:47 <[Demo]1> this is a good change because it is funny 15:53 <[Demo]1> i like a flavorful pet 15:54 -!- oh6_ has joined #hardfought 15:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v oh6_] by ChanServ 15:54 <[Demo]1> poor arnie has teleportitis 15:54 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:55 <[Demo]1> and aggravate monster 15:56 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 15:57 who's arnie? 15:58 <[Demo]1> my poor crippled dog 15:58 <[Demo]1> oh cool fiqhack lichens have genders 16:01 what do you mean? 16:02 <[Demo]1> well ive got a stack of male lichen corpses and a stack of female lichen corpses 16:02 ah 16:02 it's possible that the game still assigns a gender 16:02 just that it's unused 16:02 which my thing picks up on 16:02 why is that DNH has all the interesting notifications like excalibur/minetown that other variants don't. 16:02 should probably be fixed 16:02 FIQ, would explain why I kept ending up with two seperate stacks of lizard corpses 16:03 do lichens have genders in real life? 16:03 it's NEUTER in nethack 16:03 -!- DrakeMarshall has joined #hardfought 16:03 lichens aren't technically a single organism 16:03 so either way, this is probably a fiqhack bug 16:04 Yo 16:04 Hi 16:04 Hello aosdict, Welcome to #hardfought 16:04 beholder triggers on Hi but not Yo >.> 16:05 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 16:05 So I was clearing the Binder quest, and at the neutral temple one of the minions cast earthquake, destroying the lawful altar before I could convert it 16:05 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 16:05 aosdict: does either half have a gender? 16:05 I rather hope that doesn't make the game unwinnable -_- 16:07 ais523: it's symbiosis between fungi and bacteria. the fungi can have genders but not all types of lichen and a lot of fungi are hermaphroditic anyway 16:07 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 16:07 Anyone here played binder on dnethack by any chance? 16:10 yes 16:10 DrakeMarshall: any particular questions? 16:11 I can likely answer most of them 16:11 well 16:11 this is an oddly specific question 16:11 that's fine 16:12 but if one of the aligned altars in the binder quest are destroyed, does that make it impossible to finish the quest? 16:12 yep 16:12 rip 16:12 it's a bug right now 16:12 did you have that happen? :/ 16:12 yup 16:12 I'll remind chris about that 16:12 DrakeMarshall: in fact, it's impossible to win the game now 16:12 you might as well #quit tbh 16:12 wait really? 16:12 yep 16:12 you can't get the silver key as a binder 16:12 well 16:12 right then 16:12 you get an alternate which doens't work 16:12 oh 16:12 (for the invocation) 16:13 so binders, that'spossible 16:13 I was really liking the binder role too :( 16:13 :/ 16:13 how did the altar get destroyed 16:13 what race? 16:13 StatueSurfer: earthquake most likely 16:13 the priests tend to cast it 16:13 <[Demo]1> ah 16:13 I've had that happen once 16:13 oh 16:13 This is actually the farthest I've gotten in a nethack game (I don't count my game as doppelganger monk in slash'em) 16:13 ah cool 16:13 Earthquake 16:13 Well 16:13 DrakeMarshall: try orc barb for a fun time 16:13 <[Demo]1> yeah next version itll still be winnable 16:13 I'll figure something out 16:13 orcs get increased stats, and barbs are overpowered 16:14 and yeah, barb can be fun heh 16:14 <[Demo]1> or wait no 16:14 :D 16:14 <[Demo]1> cause cant get broken bell 16:14 he can't finish the quest that's the problem [Demo]1 16:14 also, DrakeMarshall if you're wondeirng, no you can't phase to acererak's altar and sacfest there (unphaseable :() 16:14 ah 16:14 shame 16:15 <[Demo]1> uh 16:15 <[Demo]1> can u dantalion? 16:15 I was playing an automaton binder so with some work I could have even gotten phasing 16:15 <[Demo]1> you might be able to sequence break that 16:15 <[Demo]1> get something in there with a mind and dantalion in? 16:15 [Demo]1: no he doesn't spawn until you sac 16:15 oh, tha'ts possible 16:16 DrakeMarshall: worth a shot maybe if you aven't already quit 16:16 if that's possible that's another bug to fix >_> 16:16 <[Demo]1> wiz testing 16:16 I haven't already quit... What are you proposing exactly not sure I understand 16:16 Ohhhh you're saying use dantalion's ability 16:16 to teleport to a creature with a mind 16:17 ^ 16:17 Well I'm bound to tenebrous among other things, so I already know that two creatures with a mind are in there 16:17 -!- nht has quit [Quit: nht] 16:17 DrakeMarshall: worth a shot then 16:17 Worth a shot heh 16:17 yeah 16:17 oh hm 16:17 thanks guys 16:17 you don't have telepathy 16:17 or nvm 16:17 he grants extrinsic ESP 16:17 (clcokworks and incs can find it hard to do that) 16:18 <[Demo]1> oh shit 16:18 <[Demo]1> it works 16:18 <[Demo]1> it works 😄 16:18 yeah clockwork is a very interesting race 16:18 <[Demo]1> ur good 16:18 Sweet 16:18 <[Demo]1> u can dantalion in 16:18 That's excellent 16:18 <[Demo]1> not sure if acerack will spawn though 16:18 automatons are basically impossible to feed except prayer, but their abilities are really fun imo 16:18 <[Demo]1> tame medusa 16:19 <[Demo]1> its insane 16:19 >_> 16:19 still haven't got an upgrade kit though and I've even polypiled tools :P 16:19 DrakeMarshall: there's a better way! 16:19 get a tame angel 16:19 and #chat whenever you run out of foo 16:19 food 16:19 it will wind for you, no charge 16:19 angels can do that? 16:19 huh 16:19 (or any humanoid actually) 16:19 ahhh 16:19 hm 16:19 (it's just that angels are generally a better options) 16:19 you can grab a tulani eladrin from teh tower of law 16:19 with oona 16:19 or wish a figurine of a surya deva 16:20 <[Demo]1> tulani eladrin are great 16:20 <[Demo]1> medusa is great 16:20 <[Demo]1> shell wind you too 16:20 <[Demo]1> and kill everything 16:20 lol 16:20 right now I spend most of the time on low clock speed and rely on eurynome's counterattacks a fair amount 16:20 <[Demo]1> oh shit 16:20 <[Demo]1> acerack works 16:20 <[Demo]1> with sequence break 16:20 <[Demo]1> ur good 16:20 LOL 16:21 lol then lets do this 16:21 <[Demo]1> anyway dude get a good strong pet that can wind you ( i reccomend medusa but oona or a tulip is good) and you can sequence break in 16:21 <[Demo]1> do that first 16:21 <[Demo]1> you got naberius bound? 16:21 my binder is hand-to-hand so I guess it's time to punch out acerack 16:21 u got this 16:21 <[Demo]1> literally silver tongue some shit 16:21 <[Demo]1> there is no reason for you to not be at max clockrate for any fight ever as a clockwork 😛 16:21 DrakeMarshall: aw yiss knockoff monk is amazing 16:21 it's great 16:21 premium heart is 10/10 16:22 esp because a hidden feature of eurynome is to get ya full BAB 16:22 which is +lvl to-hit (with unarmed only) 16:22 got it from the magic lamp in sunless sea :D 16:22 :D 16:22 DrakeMarshall: you on a server? 16:22 I'm gonna eat lunch but I'll spec you after if you are 16:22 I'm on the US server atm yeah 16:23 Gonna have to wait to free up a binder slot for dantalion 16:23 <[Demo]1> in the mean time get an intelligent pet for winding purposes 😛 16:23 Might branchport back to the mines 'cause I have all my seals set up there 16:24 Wait also one other question 16:24 I heard you can dual-wield barehanded 16:24 Is that true? 16:24 <[Demo]1> yeah 16:24 requesting a highlight for sleeping/paralyzed/weak monsters :v 16:24 yay 16:24 <[Demo]1> if you have the spear spirit 16:24 When I bend Miska this is gonna be OP 16:24 <[Demo]1> from oonas tower 16:25 <[Demo]1> lategame binder is strong, lategame clockwork is strong 16:25 !ping 16:25 rikersan: Pong! 16:26 Yeah early game was pretty hard for this one but it's starting to pay off 16:29 Once I can find a throne, anyways, lol 16:29 <[Demo]1> neutral quest has a ton 16:30 https://i.imgur.com/mbaWBWy.png that was a bad polytrap... 16:30 [hdf-us] [nd] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law), 604572 points, T:30953, dissolved in molten lava 16:31 <[Demo]1> !lastgame Leggman 16:31 [Demo]1: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Leggman/nhdev/dumplog/1512948365.nhdev.txt 16:34 !who 16:34 rikersan: [hdf-us] groovejumper [dyn] Zxkuqyb [fh] DrakeMarshall [dnh] 16:34 rikersan: [hdf-eu] No current players 16:34 * NCommander wishes he didn't feel so ill 16:35 I'm looking forward to my next FIQHack game ending with the dungeon collapsing and/or death by trickery 16:35 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:35 actually trickery should never happen on a public server 16:36 <[Demo]1> key word should 16:36 FIQHack is NH4-based, so the dungeon collapsing isn't a thing. 16:36 get well soon, NCommander 16:36 jonadab, I thought it will still the pop that message if it goes completely pearshapped 16:36 Hmmm I have aquired rings of polymorph and polycontrol... Worth it for an automaton, or is double speed more useful? 16:36 <[Demo]1> why is nh4 such a pussy? 16:36 <[Demo]1> double speed and phasing is insane 16:37 !who 16:37 NCommander: [hdf-us] groovejumper [dyn] Zxkuqyb [fh] DrakeMarshall [dnh] 16:37 NCommander: [hdf-eu] No current players 16:37 (Dungeon collapse is the NH3 way of dealing with a panic(). The NH4 equivalent is to throw up a dialog box that gives you a choice between rewinding to the last neutral turn state and trying a different action, or saving and waiting for the dev to fix the bug. Though it's not worded that way.) 16:37 <[Demo]1> nh4 gets mad when im occupying the same space as a monster i shouldnt be 16:37 jonadab, ah, they I've seen a lot of panics. I thought the box comes up if it hits an impossible 16:37 <[Demo]1> also does too 16:37 [Demo]1, NH4 drastically rewrites how saving works to make the game quite a bit less brittal 16:37 <[Demo]1> pretty sure the thing i hit today was just an impossible 16:37 NCommander: Then too, but in the case of impossible() you have an additional option, to just continue as-is. 16:37 Old (NH2-ish) were not paradims of stability on Windows 3.1. 16:38 <[Demo]1> nh 3 stable 16:38 I'm not sure what the first NetHack I ever played was 16:38 <[Demo]1> i can segfault and recover yeah! 16:38 yea fiqhack was panicing for me repeatedly yesterday 16:38 stupid adjustment 16:38 I played PC-Rogue for DOS because my dad told me about rogue/unix. In middle school, I found a copy of nethack on an old DOS PC and thought it was an updated rogue before the internet enlighted me to history 16:39 <[Demo]1> im still annoyed that it caught that a priest was under me 16:39 If NH4 segfaults, you have to get the dev to fix the bug, and then you can just continue where you left off. 16:39 <[Demo]1> wait 16:39 <[Demo]1> ok 16:39 * NCommander suspects it was NH2 16:40 I got fairly far into the dungeon, and I don't remember mines or sokoban 16:40 NCommander: I've played 1.3d. 16:40 (But the _first_ version I played was 3.4.3.) 16:40 I've done that too, but not at the time it was a current release. 16:40 rikersan: hmm? I fixed that... 16:40 did K2 never update? 16:40 NCommander: Right. 16:40 FIQ: yea you did but it was bugged 16:40 still? 16:40 DrakeMarshall: fair warning, you can still get 'ill' as a clockwork 16:40 haven't tried FIQ 16:40 So I went Rogue->NH2 or early 3->343 (first ascension)->4 (astral splat)->NH361->FIQ 16:41 DrakeMarshall: it's a bug, you're also not immune to death wands like you should be (as non-living) 16:41 you're also not immune to poorly worded advice :( 16:41 I believe they have sickness immunity... 16:41 If not death magic immunity 16:41 * NCommander is both amused and facepalmed by that. 16:41 NCommander: sorry 16:41 I saw sickness immunity when I got enlightenment 16:42 FIQ, nah, it's still funny. Trust me, it's not the stupidest way I ever died. 16:42 FIQ, that was the wizard on my second game of NH4 who died in sight of his altar on the astral plane 16:42 ouch 16:42 Second time I ever made it to astral 16:42 I've gotten to the point that once I get past the mines, I generally get pretty deep. 16:43 (in vanilla. FIQHack's easier early game + better UI usually means I have a far better chance of getting to the castle) 16:44 never quite realized how much quality of life plus UI issues related to YASD in vanilla 16:48 still waiting for nh4 to rebase all FIQHack's non-gameplay changes and then for ais to convince the devteam to rebase NH3 onto NH4 16:50 aosdict, I was a little surprised that didn't happen with NH360 16:56 but then 3.6.0 wouldn't be able to run on VMS 16:56 the horror 16:56 FIQ, ... if that was SERIOUSLY the reason, I'd port NH4 to VMS myself 16:56 OS/2 too. I actually likely have the dev tools for that somewhere. 16:59 NCommander: few things make me rage at the devteam more than https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/10 17:00 aosdict, there's actually a tool that can auto-convert K&R to ANSI for antique compilers. 17:00 (can also go the other way) 17:01 aosdict, generally with C, it's possible with pain to get a codebase to build on any C compiler with some luck (C99->C89->downconverter). C++. lost cause. 17:02 THat being said, excluding say ... V6 UNIX, I'm not aware of any platforms that actually lack an ANSI C compiler. Even DOS and Windows 3.1 have one in the form in Watcom C 17:03 I approve of paxed slipping in more and more enums and letting them go unnoticed 17:03 OS/2 has/had GCC 17:03 but I will really, really be mad if some other DT member discovers it and reverts them 17:03 yeah, avoiding prototypes is just absurd at this point 17:03 as someone who gets a huge kick out of retrocomputing, even I have my limits on antique codebases 17:04 I suppose we should be lucky NH isn't coded in Fortran or COBOL :) 17:04 well, F77 17:05 Modern Fortran is actually fairly nice. 17:05 * NCommander recently had to debug modern fortran code and was surprised. 17:05 ais523: how much devteam mail of the form "I'm trying to get nethack working on " actually comes in? 17:06 aosdict, I know NH360 actually got an MS-DOS build in a week of release. 17:06 I vaguely remember tiles had Win16 support. If I was so inclined, I could probably get that to build. 17:06 actually, doesn't NH4 lack a tiles mode? 17:07 * NCommander notes that's probably the biggest showstopper :/ 17:07 <[Demo]1> aha 17:07 <[Demo]1> its real true weakness 17:08 When I play locally, I generally prefer ASCII, but I like tiles on mobile. the MUI interface is wonky on Linux 17:12 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 17:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 17:24 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:1097 17:25 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 17:28 aosdict: you mean the total ignorance of it? 17:31 total ignorance of what 17:36 -!- zxkuqyb has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:41 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:48 aosdict: the pull request 17:49 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 17:54 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:01 aosdict: not that much, but more than you'd expect 18:01 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 18:01 however, most of these systems won't run 3.4.3 anyway 18:01 normally I look back through commit history to find a version that will 18:04 well that indicates that the devteam at least as of 3.4.3 is willing to "drop support" for a platform or compiler 18:04 so not sure why anyone is opposed to doing this for 3.6.1 18:06 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:13 aosdict: I've been meaning to write an email about that 18:13 but I keep getting writer's block 18:13 however, support was never officially dropped 18:14 it's just that the game outgrew some of the platforms it used to run on 18:16 hi 18:16 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 18:16 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-12-21 14:39 EST: sorry, but askin again -- need puck1's EU save because it errored during death 18:16 oops 18:16 must have missed the first request 18:16 my bad 18:17 [hdf-us] [nd] Grasshopper (Bar Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:64446 18:18 -!- hpardis has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:19 !tell FIQ which one? there are three 18:19 Will do, K2! 18:19 Considering how badly the keter sephirah screwed over my last binder, I find it immensely satisfying to desolate them on high clockspeed 18:19 :) 18:19 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 18:20 -!- NotTheOracle\dnt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22 K2: hmm 18:22 FIQ: Message from K2 at 2017-12-21 18:19 EST: which one? there are three 18:22 2 of them has the issue 18:22 puck never said which ones 18:22 i'll just send all three 18:22 lol 18:22 ok 18:23 :P 18:23 it's EU btw 18:24 -!- DrakeMarshall has quit [Quit: *poof*] 18:25 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:25 i know 18:27 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 18:28 FIQ see pm 18:29