00:13 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:28913 00:16 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:18 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:18 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:30067 00:43 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 00:47 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 268800 points, T:31281, killed by an ogre king 01:01 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 01:18 -!- bouquet has quit [Quit: bouquet] 01:40 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 01:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Clk Mal Non) was given their Quest, on T:50537 02:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:07 -!- nikheizen has joined #hardfought 02:08 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 20 points, T:98, killed by a falling rock 02:33 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1013 points, T:1332, killed by a paper golem 02:38 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 845 points, T:742, killed by a dagger 02:45 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 672 points, T:902, killed by a giant ant 02:46 [hdf-us] [dyn] kupopo (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 716 points, T:3819, killed by a coyote 02:50 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 524 points, T:550, killed by a gnome 03:01 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1108 points, T:1378, killed by a golden naga hatchling 03:02 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3 points, T:34, killed by a sewer rat 03:29 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 03:31 Morning world 03:31 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1711 points, T:2132, killed by a plains centaur 03:31 over here it's midnight 03:34 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 216 points, T:242, killed by a large kobold 03:39 well in my variant i've added melee-range breath attacks 03:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Clk Mal Non) completed Sokoban, on T:57086 03:49 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:07 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 04:21 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 352 points, T:710, killed by a dwarf 04:24 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 241 points, T:535, killed by a boulder 04:25 [hdf-us] [fh] NCommander (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the valkyrie of NCommander, the former Stripling, on T:16993 04:30 rip 04:44 [hdf-us] [fh] NCommander (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "+2 blessed fixed gray dragon scale mail", on T:17876 04:45 Damn 04:45 Wish preferences weren't respected 04:45 +0? 04:46 yeah 04:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:46 Luck must have timed out 04:46 1/3 chance of failing anyway 04:46 unless it's different in FIQhac 04:46 I got the catacombs mine's end, so I decided to burn the wish from the lamp for GDSM due to the LOTS of poly trap 04:46 hack 04:46 well, 55% of one 04:46 ~~wish for poly control instead~~ 04:46 StatueSurfer, I want GDSM anyway 04:46 that was a joke 04:47 I had utter crap for armor, I was AC:2 without protection 04:47 although tbh i have never ID'd a ring of poly control unless i had it in my starting inventory as a wizard 04:47 Generally I chuck any spares of rings I have down the nearest sink and they're a priority to identify for me 04:50 alright the nurses got me over 200 hp 04:50 i feel comfortable enough for my ascension run 04:58 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 04:58 nuts 04:58 No polytrap 05:03 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3553 05:04 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:04 * NCommander did tame a Y 05:04 Meh 05:17 hmmm 05:17 there's a silver dragon in the top level of wizard's tower 05:18 as long as no spellcasters show up there, i guess it should be safe to try to kill for its scales 05:26 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:40 well 05:41 THAT's an interesting feature 05:58 ... slagging hs 06:01 [hdf-us] [nd] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 23593 points, T:8500, killed by a rock troll 06:15 hi 06:15 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 06:15 FIQ: Message from rikersan at 2017-12-19 20:55 EST: plural bug w/ "picks up a few equipment", and segfault when you try to #adjust 2 lizard corpses together (diff ages) 06:15 FIQ: Message from rikersan at 2017-12-19 20:59 EST: "the green elf walk very quietly" that's not how to english good 06:15 FIQ: Message from rikersan at 2017-12-19 21:01 EST: actually the adjust bug is happening more, looks like it's when things don't autoadjust on pickup with identified items (had it happen with a mirror) 06:23 !tell rikersan can't reproduce grammar issues 06:23 Will do, FIQ! 06:29 -!- hpardis has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:36 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 06:39 !tell K2 adjust did have issues but I didn't manage to segfault it, pushed fixes anyway 06:39 Will do, FIQ! 06:54 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 06:57 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:11 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:13 -!- zxkuqyb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:14 morning 07:14 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-12-20 06:39 EST: adjust did have issues but I didn't manage to segfault it, pushed fixes anyway 07:15 FIQhack updated (us and eu) 07:41 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 07:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 07:42 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 07:43 [hdf-us] [gh] k2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:33537 07:46 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 08:03 Found Dr Worm again on lv22 08:03 Oh I see K2 finally got a gh gnome going :) 08:21 oh god 08:21 that's a LOT of c 08:21 44 cockatrice 08:21 O_O; 08:25 damn it 08:26 That's like four games in a row in which I made it to medusa 08:26 and no fort 08:27 FIQ, patch idea, fort access, maybe make the portal a bit more likely to show up or have a backdoor 08:30 NCommander: or just do whatever unnethack and some variants did and just guarantee the portal will be generated (I don't know exactly what they did, maybe the portal goes in a closet if there are no suitable vaults) 08:31 Or, actually, I think the portal generates on the first vault below dungeon level 10, which makes it a vanishingly low chance that there will be no Ludios at all. 08:31 (I think there's still some guarantee though?) 08:41 aosdict, yeah that was how I though. Not having the fort at all is OK in the rare game, but this is annoying. I cleaned out five vaults from 10->down 08:41 So at least I got enough gold for 90% of the divine protection I need 08:43 aosdict: they don't gurantee it 08:43 aosdict, I'm going to retrieve Medusa's shield of reflection, get some more divine protection, and then think about the quest 08:43 but makes it much more likely 08:43 by placing it on the first vault below Oracle 08:44 Well the biggest draw of the fort for me is its a decent place to find dragons, plus the gold is an added bonus 08:44 esp if you end up uberleveled before you get to Minetown 08:45 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 08:45 in fiqhack, fort ludios is also a great source of magical armor 08:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:45 as in, with properties 08:49 !tell K2 pushed an update that makes knox generate much more likely 08:49 Will do, FIQ! 08:50 yay 08:50 FIQ: it's the first vault below Oracle? So it could be as high as level 6? 08:50 below dlvl10 08:51 Well when I do something idiotic and loose the game 08:51 I'll be happy to check out the fort 08:51 :) 08:55 I'm also debating if I'm going to sac more crap to the god 08:55 And see if he'll spit out identity or magic mapping 08:56 Or charging 08:56 Charging would be nice 09:24 FIQ: is there any documentation of what you have done for trinsics rewrite internals-wise? 09:24 Or should I go searching through commits? 09:26 aosdict: all of it is in prop.c 09:28 thanks 09:30 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 09:36 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:41 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 09:44 !tell K2 I think I need puck1's EU save 09:44 Will do, FIQ! 09:53 aosdict: http://sprunge.us/YVWF here is a list of functions the code in general needs to know about (e.g. not just helpers the property rework itself) 09:53 *i.e. 09:53 *helpers for 10:13 FIQ: thanks. still not sure if I want to do a 3.6 trinsics refactor at this point, the chance I'm going to mess something up is astronomical 10:15 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:15 FIQ: so in fiqhack, equipment extrinsics are calculated on-the-fly from worn items and not by storing them redundantly in struct prop like vanilla does? 10:16 At least, that seems like the logical way I'd want to do it. 10:16 aosdict: correct 10:16 @ calculated on the fly 10:17 correct, the chance I'm going to mess up *is* astronomical :P 10:30 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 10:38 FIQ: I wonder why all the vanilla wornmasks are defined in prop.h and then used much more for non-property stuff. 10:42 do not question the devteam's methods 10:42 but yeah i Dunno 10:42 *I dunno 10:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:46 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 10:47 -!- hothraxxa has quit [*.net *.split] 11:02 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 11:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hothraxxa] by weber.freenode.net 11:12 FIQ: feeling like a proper trinsics rewrite would first do the objslot rewrite. was that you, or was it nethack4? 11:15 aosdict: NH4 eliminated the variables for your equipped gear (uwep and such) and made them macros that call a function that goes through your inventory and finds the thing that's equipped in that slot. This eliminates a lot of potential bugs (all the ones where the variables got out of sync with reality when something forgot to update them). 11:16 Is that what you mean by objslot rewrite? 11:18 aosdict: nethack4 11:28 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 11:37 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 11:42 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:44 NH4 was a pretty massive refactor of NH343 11:44 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 11:44 I was slightly surprised that the devteam didn't rebase on NH4 and instead we got 36. Though TBH, I don't think anyone was really expecting 36 11:46 aosdict: the NH3 trinsic system is mostly serviceable enough unless you want to give monsters full-blown trinsics 11:46 that is why I rewrote it in first place 11:46 I mean, that is the eventual goal. 11:47 But a good starting point is eliminating uprops.extrinsic since it's storing redundant information. 11:47 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 11:47 <[Demo]> monsters dont have the same rights as the player and therefore its immoral to even think of giving them symmetric systems 11:49 [Demo]: then again it's quite nice to not be turned to stone from a distance, or forced to vomit 11:49 rikersan: Message from FIQ at 2017-12-20 06:23 EST: can't reproduce grammar issues 11:49 !tell FIQ what about the crash when adjusting things that don't stack into a pile? 11:49 Will do, rikersan! 11:50 I didn't actually manage to crash that 11:50 FIQ: Message from rikersan at 2017-12-20 11:49 EST: what about the crash when adjusting things that don't stack into a pile? 11:50 but there were issues 11:50 that I pushed fixes to 11:50 basically if you adjusted a stack of 1 into itself 11:50 with nothing mergeable 11:50 it would error 11:50 but not *crash* 11:50 mind you, lizards may or may not be mergable 11:50 female and male lizard corpses don't stack anymore 11:51 FIQ: no, it crashed. >_> I got the "leave or recover save file?" thing 11:51 (they used to, when there was no such distintion) 11:51 ah 11:51 might have been that 11:51 when you said crash 11:51 it definitely crashed though 11:51 I thought you mean like a segfault 11:51 that threw you back to dgl 11:51 OK so we're on even ground then 11:51 but yeah 11:51 lol 11:51 I fixed that 11:51 ok cool 11:51 rikersan: well the error dialog isn't a crash :) 11:52 might be worth putting a (m) or (f) after corpses then 11:52 ones taht don't have the gender in the name, i.e. dwarf lady 11:52 hmm 11:52 that is a fair point 11:52 should probably do that 11:52 <[Demo]> nice 11:53 <[Demo]> do monsters have a nutrition system? 11:54 pets do 11:54 same as vanilla 11:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Ssach (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 612 points, T:1943, killed by Ms. Wonotobo, the shopkeeper, while fainted from lack of food 12:01 [Demo]: now I'm imagining a sokoban standoff 12:01 the monster is on the other side of the boulder 12:01 you just have to wait until it starves so you can push it 12:02 [hdf-us] [4k] Jermaij (Ssach) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 4176 points, T:1818, died of starvation, while fainted from lack of food 12:18 [hdf-us] [4k] Jeos (Ssach) (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4056 points, T:710, killed by a gnome 12:29 -!- rikersan_ has joined #hardfought 12:31 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:37 -!- rikersan_ is now known as rikersan 12:47 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 12:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 12:48 -!- rikersan_ has joined #hardfought 12:50 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:51 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:52 FIQ: in vanilla, is trinsic blocking only implemented for mummy wrapping/invis and cornuthaum/clairvoyance? Maybe Grayswandir/hallucination as well? 12:55 aosdict: correct 12:56 FIQHack is mostly the same in that regard, except that it also implements the capability of permonsts blocking trinsics 12:56 well, NH4 and thus FIQHack implement trinsic blocking for absolutely everything, but for most trinsics there's no actual way to block them 12:57 so the code is there but unused 12:57 yeah 12:57 (it was easier to expand it to work in a general way than adding a bunch of special cases would have been) 12:58 I meant, I expanded it so that other things could also block 12:58 apart from what vanilla already does 12:59 but the internal logic already allows arbitrary blocking, even in nethack4 13:00 (where the trinsic rewrite is unfinished) 13:01 so my goal is to add better trinsic support because I really dislike working with the current system, and I'm not sure how much of NH4's system I want to adapt. Maybe all of it. 13:02 I'm all for generalizing and making it so you don't have to do bit manipulations and worrying about masks. 13:03 what nethack4 did was refactor how slots were managed and how trinsics are queried into a single function 13:03 what is unfinished is the whole setting/clearing/refreshing/etc 13:04 which FIQHack finished 13:04 (NH4 works like NH3 in that regard, mostly) 13:05 except you don't have to fiddle with bitmasks more than FROMOUTSIDE, but still have to ensure to handle stuff like invisiblity messages, levitation set/clear, and so on 13:05 Mhm. I'm leaning towards just grabbing code out of FIQHack and then smoothing out the parts that don't work to fit with NH3. 13:05 mhm 13:06 my biggest gripe with the rewrite is update_property 13:07 it is a pretty large function and rather awkward in places 13:07 other than that I think the rewrite turned out largely well 13:08 aosdict: Are you going to make it iterate over the player's inventory whenever it wants to know what extrinsics the player has, like NH4 does? 13:09 that will not work well with travel 13:09 actually it will work fine 13:09 if you use FIQHack rather than NetHack4 code there 13:09 since fiqhack caches trinsics 13:10 Actually, wait, I was thinking more of attribute gain/loss than trinsics, actually. 13:10 -!- rikersan_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:10 Things like the bug where a nymph steals your helm of brilliance while you're equipping it. 13:10 jonadab: only fiqhack recalculates that on demand 13:10 Ah. 13:10 nethack4 left that largely unchanged 13:10 Hmm. 13:10 except that it runs a recalculation once per turn 13:10 Ah. 13:11 Well, once per turn is better than the dead reckoning 3.x does. 13:11 yeah, no more hobug 13:11 for more than a turn, anyway P: 13:11 *:P 13:11 jonadab: presumably if you want to know whether the player has a certain intrinsic, you iterate specifically for that one, but yes. 13:11 I started a rewrite of things like attributes, but abandoned it because it was way too ambitious 13:12 I've considered caching attributes too 13:12 but it doesn't really work that well 13:12 in comparision to trinsics 13:12 because a lot of things can modify attributes "unexpectedly" 13:12 I'm pretty sure storing redundant information like uprops[].extrinsic is some sort of anti-pattern...? 13:13 so unless you're changing the whole codebase into using a getter/setter approach 13:13 I think it might be a bad idea 13:14 probably what you want to do before considering caching attributes 13:14 is setspe/incspe/decspe, and refresh_attrib 13:15 aosdict: it's known as "denormalization", it's sometimes done intentionally for performance reasons (including, most likely, in vanilla NetHack) 13:16 but it often leads to problems when the two copies get out of sync 13:17 ais523: I mean, fiqhack is no better in that regard, mintrinisc_cache is basically uprops.extrinsic 13:17 just that it is slightly less error-prone since it's cleared each save/restore cycle 13:18 also I should add it for monsters too 13:18 the only reason I didn't was const 13:18 with a name starting in m I'd expect it to be used for monsters! 13:18 *starting with 13:18 ais523: that was the idea :P 13:19 just I ran into const problems 13:19 and decided to hold off and just do it for players since that's where it was needed the most 13:19 I mean, it's part of monst 13:19 and relevant functions doesn't care about whether it's the player or monster, it checks it anyway 13:19 just that the actual setting is only done on players 13:20 because making it also set on monsters would involve me removing a ton of consts 13:20 that had a chain-reaction 13:21 ais523: btw, I think the way I do it is kind of violating the purpose of const, even for players 13:22 I basically abuse youmonst 13:31 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 13:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 13:32 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:34 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 13:46 ais523: I imagine that the performance saved by not iterating over the hero's or a monster's inventory is minimal though 13:47 though it may well have been back when this was implemented 13:47 *have been significant 13:47 aosdict: it turns out that if you do it fresh for every square of the map during travel calculations, it's noticeable 13:47 although strangely, not /that/ noticeable 13:47 that was easily fixed though 13:49 why would you need to check properties while the hero is traveling? checking for water walking or something? 13:51 ais523: but not complete 13:52 ly 13:52 there is still something being polled a lot during travel 13:52 since my cache thing greatly sped up travel 13:52 never tracked down what though 14:03 aosdict: right, water walking and friends 14:04 and phasing 14:04 flight/levitation 14:04 etc 14:11 huh 14:11 Castle directly below medusa 14:11 Never seen that before 14:12 Really, I see it all the time 14:13 often I expect it, but there can a few levels in between 14:14 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 14:14 what would be weird is seeing Castle above Medusa 14:18 -!- K2 has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:18 -!- K2-work has joined #hardfought 14:18 -!- K2-work is now known as K2 14:18 -!- K2 has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:18 -!- K2_ has joined #hardfought 14:24 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 14:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper_] by ChanServ 14:24 -!- K2-work has joined #hardfought 14:25 * K2-work sighs 14:26 K2-workinghardandhardlyworking? 14:27 yes 14:27 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:27 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:27 since yesterday, cant connect to znc from here 14:27 dbl checked firewall, it sees the attempts, and allows them 14:28 and i can access znc web panel (same ip and port) no prob 14:28 this makes me sad 14:28 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 14:42 Really? 14:43 I get granted trollsbane as an artifact 14:43 :/ 14:43 -!- rikersan_ has joined #hardfought 14:44 -!- rikersan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:45 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 14:46 !role dnh 14:46 rikersan: anachrononaut 14:46 !race dnh 14:46 rikersan: yuki-onna 14:46 !race dnh 14:46 rikersan: half-dragon 14:46 !race dnh 14:46 rikersan: clockwork automaton 14:46 !race dnh 14:46 rikersan: incantifier 14:47 [hdf-us] [nd] Qwesti (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 4192 points, T:3758, killed by a priest of Shan Lai Ching 14:48 -!- rikersan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikerw (Ana Inc Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3072 15:10 mite of holiness retrieved 15:10 yay 15:11 grats 15:12 FIQ: what's up with fiqhack livelogs? 15:13 ? 15:15 ... 15:15 * NCommander just got werebane via sac 15:15 That's actually ... useful 15:15 Cause saber got unrestricted 15:20 YASI: make trollsbane a chaotic artifact, make the god snicker while gifting you it 15:20 same with Ogresmasher 15:24 FIQ: you should incorporate the livelogs Tangles made for vanilla dev 15:24 !8ball should FIQ do as suggested? 15:24 K2-work: Outlook good 15:24 booyah 15:24 * FIQ zaps Beholder with a wand of fire 15:24 K2-work: also K2 has pending tells 15:24 ok 15:25 i suspect znc is only allowing one connection at a time, but i never set that 15:25 -!- rikersan_ has joined #hardfought 15:25 uh that shouldn't be the case 15:25 no it shouldnt 15:25 firewall here isnt blocking it 15:25 firewall at home allows it 15:26 i'll get it sorted out 15:28 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:32 Dr Worm as eaten many mind flayer, but still seems as dumb as ever 15:32 as/has 15:32 though he might be getting cuter 15:33 lv39 so far 15:33 !whereis grasshopper 15:33 rikersan_: [hdf-us] Grasshopper [nd]: No details available 15:34 Dlvl:47, not far from the VS level 15:34 what role? barb? 15:35 or knight 15:35 in fact, that is where I'm going next 15:35 Barbie! 15:35 lol 15:35 you can change my clothes and everything 15:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:36 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 15:37 * aosdict wonders if anyone has ever named their character Barbara and played Barbarian 15:38 !whereis rikersan 15:38 rikersan_: [hdf-us] rikersan [fh]: (Bar Orc Fem Cha) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 15:38 :/ doesn't have my name 15:38 that is the bot's fault 15:39 really cold here now 15:39 I wanna put a barbie on the barbie 15:39 just checked 15:39 it's the bot 15:39 the whereis file has the info 15:39 Grasshopper_: you can fry it on the concrete here 15:40 !who 15:40 FIQ: [hdf-us] NCommander [fh] Grasshopper [nd] krm26 [un] Ssach [4k] 15:40 FIQ: [hdf-eu] puck [fh] Raisse [nd] firemonkey [nd] 15:40 !whereis krm26 15:40 FIQ: [hdf-us] krm26 [fh]: (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) T:716 The Gnomish Mines level: 4 15:40 FIQ: [hdf-us] krm26 [un]: (Wizard human Fem chaotic) T:21834 The Quest level: 14 15:40 so... cold... 15:40 bhaak: nice and consistent 15:40 for Thailand, so cold 15:40 you live in Thailand? 15:40 apparently I am going there next month with family 15:40 don't you live in the netherlands FIQ? 15:40 yes, I'm in Thailand 15:41 rikersan_: no, I live in Sweden 15:41 ah ok 15:41 apologies, northern european education is not big here in the US 15:41 but not at the beach - we live up in the north-east, specifically next to the Mekong 15:41 ah 15:41 and in winter cold fog travels down the river valley from the mountains 15:41 don't think I've ever seen fog in real life 15:41 and right now (about 3-4am) it is peaking 15:41 just in pictures 15:42 rikersan_, you southern hemisphere? 15:42 rikersan_: where do you live that doesn't get fog? the desert? 15:42 Grasshopper_: nah just the southwest US 15:42 aosdict: pretty much 15:42 I thought you'd be going into winter now 15:42 south CA, just above mexico 15:42 Grasshopper_: isn't that at like 5 degrees latitude? 15:42 oh, guess it is almost always hot then 15:42 we are in winter so it's not no longer 115F 15:42 [hdf-us] [4k] Dig (Ssach) (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 13656 points, T:4720, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted iron golem 15:43 I guess when you say it's cold, what temperature are we talking here 15:43 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 15:43 that's like 52C iirc 15:43 aosdict, I need a thermometer 15:43 rikersan_: the one who lives in the netherlands is raisse, I believe 15:43 wish I'd gotten one at the hardware store today 15:43 or yesterday... 15:43 didn't konw that aosdict 15:43 I just knew FIQ was 1 of sweden, netherlands, switzerland, or norway 15:43 I'd say we are talking low single digits (Celcius) 15:43 idk why but I did 15:44 FIQ, which part of Thailand are you going to? 15:44 Grasshopper_: does it ever actually freeze where you live 15:45 don't know 15:45 I wasn't the one who booked the flight/etc :p 15:45 aosdict, never seen frost here 15:45 and don't really care atm 15:45 4C here 15:45 atm 15:45 so long as it is warmer and sunnier than Sweden? 15:45 Grasshopper_: oh it most definitely will be 15:45 FIQ: how much daylight are you getting tomorrow? 15:46 aosdict: not much, but I live near Stockholm so it's in the south 15:46 we get more than certain other places of Sweden :P 15:46 I think the sun goes up around 7? 15:46 ah 15:46 Sweden/Stockholm is beautiful, at least in the summer (when I've been there) 15:46 apparently, "formally", it goes up at 8:42 15:46 tomorrow 15:46 at here 15:47 solariums are really a thing there 15:47 (they are like illegal in Australia now I think, but I can see the need in Sweden) 15:47 I think tomorrow is the darkest day overall? 15:47 then it turns 15:47 might be the 22nd 15:47 tomorrow, yes 15:47 The Darkest Day? Sounds like a good name for a video game 15:48 hah 15:48 winter solstice 15:48 I actually think there is a Baldur's Gate mod package named The Darkest Day 15:50 but I that is all enthusiast/user-made stuff, not commercial 15:50 ah 15:53